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PONEROLOGY EXPOSED: The Suppressed Science Proving Evil People Are Seizing Power w/ Dr. Tau Braun · Man in America Podcast

• 0:13
  Speaker 1: I just had one of the more unsettling interviews that I've done in quite a while. So this guy has spent years inside the minds of mass shooters and terrorists, and he told me something that really stuck with me. The people running our world have quietly decided that humanity itself is now obsolete. He's a clinical psychologist who's spent years studying how evil itself actually operates, how it gets into positions of power, and how it spreads once it's there. He's even testified in front of the Texas senate on preventing mass violence.
• 0:47
  But now he's turning that same lens on the bigger picture, and he's about to release this book. He's called Surplus, built around that exact same idea that humans, we have become expendable. We're a surplus. You're
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: gonna
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  Speaker 1: also hear why he believes that these massive AI data centers being built aren't actually about computing power, but something much more nefarious. And you're gonna hear why he thinks that preparedness isn't optional anymore and how he's preparing his own family for what's coming. Because some of what he does at home, you can start doing this week. Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse.
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• 2:03
  Let's get these started now with the interview with my guest today, doctor Tau Braun. Doctor Tau Braun, man, it's good to have you on the show, and and there's so much for us to get into today. So thank you for being here.
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: Seth, I am absolutely thrilled to be on your show, and, thank you for keeping it real. Keeping it real for a long time, brother.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: It's not easy. Right? But it's just it's it's part of the part of the, I guess, the the the job. And so it I mean, it's interesting because I've been following you for some time on Twitter, especially during, you know, the kind of a lot of the bigger COVID days. And you had messaged the past month or so and said, hey.
• 2:43
  Someone said that we should connect or something like that. And I was like, oh, doctor Tau Braun. Was like, okay. Great. So we connected.
• 2:51
  And, anyway, we're as we're chatting before we started recording, there's so much that we've got in common. I think we're having a really good conversation. But maybe let's just start with your background because you have a really interesting background and a convergence of multiple disciplines that you don't often see. So I'll let you kind of give your a little bit of your story that we can dig into more together.
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I think that, I think one of the best one of the best things by the way, I'm sure your audience will hear, Jamie's out there on a cherry picker. If they're hearing a a vehicle backing up, it's it's it's not Amazon driving in circles. It's Jamie doing some work out there. So I hope it's not too annoying.
• 3:37
  So in terms of background, what I think is, I think I feel extremely blessed that I've had a very convoluted path in terms of like my interests, my professional pursuits, my degrees. I think that a person never really knows what they've been prepared for until the moment that it's needed. And then if you are paying attention and if you're awake and aware in your own life, you'll have these wonderful moments of either huge relief that you have that skill set or gratitude that something that you thought was, you know, terrible or, you know, not your way suddenly becomes the tool that you actually needed. And so for me, I think the shortest version is I've just always had a deep interest in science. Just at my core, I'm somebody who has always had an interest in discovering the world.
• 4:40
  I am absolutely, I'd say, at my, like, core that's unchangeable. I want to know how things work. Right? And so I'm a tinkerer. I was the kind of kid that, you know, a toy was fascinating to me, but what was more fascinating is taking the screws out of the back and seeing, like, what's in it and how do they make it work.
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  There was a game that came out when I was a kid. I I'm a a kid of the seventies in South Africa. And I don't know if the game came out. I think it was probably in the eighties, but it was a game called Gunslinger. And it was two cowboys that shot at each other, and it was actually a two player game.
• 5:21
  And so there was a console on either side. And it's a great example that I've used in presentations before because there's a couple of things that happened with that, one of which is that I was absolutely fascinated with the sort of new age of games and the development of having a game console that you could bring home and you could play with your buddies was great. But what was more fascinating for me was taking the screws out of the back and seeing what is making it work. And I use that as a metaphor a lot in the work that I started doing professionally. I'm going to adjust the light again.
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  The professional life that I had pre pandemic was that I had become a clinical psychologist in South Africa. I moved to The States. I got into the wellness world. I built a wellness center in Miami that was an integrated practice. And shortly afterwards, I felt that, you know, I had a deep desire to try and work out what was driving school shootings, what was driving terrorism.
• 6:32
  You know, there was it was great doing the the wellness work and and and the motivational stuff, but what what was tugging at me were these tragedies that were occurring. And I felt a deep urgency to get involved in that work. I thought my background from South Africa had brought me to have pieces of the puzzle that Americans were dealing with for the first time ever, you know, sort of in a post nineeleven world. And also, these school attacks started taking place. And so I looked at my at, you know, sort of a calling.
• 7:09
  And the clinical work of becoming a psychologist, the really deep psychopathology of working in prison systems and working in psychiatric wards, I was starting to realize that the missing piece of the puzzle for me in that training, as it is for most psychologists, was understanding violence, you know, and especially as it related to intentional violence. Most people can understand violence from the point of view of sort of like an explosion, you know, explosive energy, a bar fight, you know, somebody get, you know, cheating, right, in a relationship or, you know, anything like that. But as far as plotting and planning deadly attacks, Most people have either never had the experience of working with somebody like that who's actually done those crimes or gone into the mindset of somebody that has that level of intentionality, know, the desire.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: It's almost like the it's the study of ponderology. Right? It's the study of evil itself. Right? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: One of
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  Speaker 1: my favorite books is the book that's called, Political Ponderology. I'm not sure if you've come across it.
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  Speaker 2: I have not.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's a fascinating book. It's literally called Political PONEROLOGY, and, you know, PONEROLOGY being kind of the the clinical study of of evil. And it's looking at how, basically, how people intentionally get into positions of power, politicians, judges, etcetera, and that people that are evil, that are sociopaths, etcetera, will get into these positions as ways of exerting control. But those people can oftentimes rise to the top because they're not bound by the same moral code as you and I. And so it's basically how they can, you know, kind of slowly accumulate.
• 8:57
  Remember, you know, during when the the more recent kind of batch of Epstein stuff came out. Yeah. I know you got camera there is Your
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  Speaker 2: audience is your audience is pick is is having to deal with beeping and me turning
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  Speaker 1: That's okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Bright red. And Just tell them
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  Speaker 1: you have your red light you have your red light panel on next to you, and then it's okay. Everyone understands and watches this show.
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  Speaker 2: It. Just just won't move. That's all. Yeah. You're you're on you're truly on track with that.
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  Right? I mean, in terms of there's so many for for the history of the world, there have been there's been philosophies and models and psychology and psychiatry and medicine and spirituality and religion has always tried to explain, like, from the earliest time, like, Right? And especially those that go out and perpetrate the worst of the sins that we can imagine. There's always been a desire to understand that. And yes, you're right, people will choose, people who will choose, especially psychopaths, psychopaths look at the world purely through the eyes of everything as an object, and everything is an object, including, you know, their own families, their own children, everything is an object to win the game, right?
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  To ultimately manipulate a situation, to achieve whatever it is, the goal that they're trying to achieve. And so if makes sense for that person to become a doctor, if that's what's going to help them to achieve their goal, then they do that. For me, what comes to mind immediately is I had an opportunity to spend some time with Doctor. Jack Kevorkian, one of the most evil people I've ever met. Absolutely skin crawling of a human being.
• 10:43
  Like, repulsive to the point where you know that if you're savvy enough and you're picking up the signals, you know you're in a room with Hannibal Lecter. And he was absolutely psychopathic in terms of just his way, the language, his ability. Psychopaths have this uncanny ability to find your personal weakness within seconds, and also the thing that's going to make you feel the best, right? A compliment that's going to be meaningful. They are laser pointed.
• 11:14
  And they can do almost immediately with somebody. And, and that's how he was. And what, what was just amazing to me was that he had a deep desire to kill as many people as possible and to get away with it.
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: Was his method of killing? I forget. I know the name. His
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: method was basically what Canada is doing now. It was euthanasia. Okay. It was using drug treatments. It was building a machine that ultimately you facilitating the death of somebody by giving them a way that they can push a button, either for themselves or with you in the room, and you facilitate their death.
• 11:53
  And for him, he had worked out that if he did it under the philosophy, under the guise of, like, some sort of libertarian, you know, pursuit, some form of democratic rights, right, just like Canada's doing and other countries, you know, are following in some states here. He did it under the disguise that if his assisted living was from a moral perspective, then he's not a murderer, And therefore, he doesn't have to, you know, be held to the same laws and standards as the rest of us. In fact, when I can't think of another time where I've been thrown out of a stadium with thousands of people. Right? I'm not somebody that turns up at protests or goes, you know, participates in riots.
• 12:46
  But I got thrown out of the stadium that he was in after spending time with him because he took a he was on a stage, and he took the American flag. And he basically I can't remember exactly what he did, whether he turned it around or dropped it, but it was an American flag where these stars had been turned into a swastika. And I yelled at him loud enough from the position that I was in that he could hear me, and most of the, you know, the stadium was able to see that there was chaos occurring. And, yeah, I was escorted out of that state that that stadium by law enforcement, and I literally was yelling that they should use the machine on him. Because what what I had what I had been able to pick up on is that he is he was he he had fooled the world.
• 13:42
  He had he had fooled the world in pretending that this was all for a moral pursuit when clearly it was just about body count, which is something that a lot of people, I think, you know, when there's been when there's some sort of school attack or even parts of this pandemic, it's very difficult for people to comprehend that there's people out there that are their main desire, their form of legacy is they want to know they want to basically know that that they've taken out a body count, that they that their that their legacy is how many souls that they collect. I call them soul collectors.
• 14:25
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• 14:48
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• 15:09
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• 15:28
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• 15:52
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• 16:34
  Speaker 2: And know, when these psychopaths choose a position of power or, you know, whatever leverage they can find, it's very often part of that pursuit.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: It's fascinating because these are all the intersections of my interests. I've all I've I've, you know, for a long time, been really fascinated with totalitarian systems and whether it's communism or or different regimes have taken place, how that works, you know, things like looking at how the average person can then turn like, you're looking at, say, communist China. Right? How children would turn on their parents. Right?
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  Those kinds of things. And understand the psychology behind that. But also then trying to apply some of that thinking, even through the lens of, you know, political ponderology of looking at how these people gravitate towards positions of power. They abuse those positions of power, but then also they bring in people under them that are just like them because they can then control and own those people through blackmail, through bribery, etcetera, and then how that system then, you know, accumulates. Right?
• 17:37
  And you have this say, you start with a kind of a a flat equal structure, then over time, if things go down the wrong path, naturally, the the evil accumulates in those positions of power. And what was really helpful for me in this process of understanding is I did a whole series I called the survivor series, where I interviewed people that were survivors of, encounter programming, satanic ritual abuse, people who grew up within those families and escaped. And the I mean, kinda setting aside the fact that some of the things they revealed are just more evil than evil. I mean, it was it was, like, you know, involving children and all these kinds of things. But I've also had this really it's almost like, I guess, you you could go back maybe to Sun Tzu art of war.
• 18:20
  Right? Know your enemy. Like, know yourself. I'm trying to know myself the best that I can and understand my history and the history of of, you know, our nation and and and Western civilization, but also looking at who is the enemy, right, and understanding what are the motives of the enemy. And it's very difficult when the motive of your enemy is to basically cause as much death, chaos, pain, and suffering as possible.
• 18:45
  If that is their motive, that's you know, how do you how do you counteract that?
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, I mean, even being aware that that is a motive already puts you in a in a in a much more powerful position and a much greater understanding than the majority of people, and even people in law enforcement and the majority of forensic psychologists. You know, I became a clinical psychologist, and as I said, the pursuit of wanting to try and understand, you know, why these attacks were taking place brought me eventually to the science of threat assessment and threat management. And I had no idea that there was a complete profession devoted to the prevention of intentional violence. Everything from stalking to, you know, preventing a school attack to preventing a terrorist attack, that there was a science that had a that was built on an interdisciplinary understanding that you had to understand the various parts of this puzzle that came together that allowed for somebody to be able to, you know, do this heinous act.
• 20:01
  My mentor that field was a guy called Captain Bob Martin, who recently passed away. And I got an opportunity of being brought into that world by starting to try and take as many trainings as possible that were available, you know, whether they were for law enforcement, for emergency management. The part that was the most exciting for me is that, one, I love finding things that I just don't know, right? There's nothing more satisfying for me than finding a piece of a puzzle where I'm humbled. I absolutely love to be stumped, right, with a question.
• 20:44
  And sometimes that question comes out of a situation where I can't solve a problem, or I suddenly realize, wait, there's a whole world that I didn't know was behind the store. And so I went off to Gavin DeBecca's Threat Assessment Academy, and I had found a family. I'd found a tribe that could understand It was just an amazing experience to be in a room full of people that thought in similar ways, that had a deep desire to prevent tragedy. And at their core, there was a calling for that. It didn't matter, you know, it sort of didn't matter how big or small.
• 21:24
  These were the type of people that if they could see that something could be prevented, right? It's almost like that scene from Matrix where where Neo bumps over the vase and the vase snatches on the floor, and the and the oracle says, what's what's really going to bother you is is, you know, you're going to be you're going to be thinking about whether whether you could have prevented that. Right? Or whether it would have stopped that if you knew that it was about to happen. And so there are people on this planet, and I include myself in this group of people, that have a a situational awareness, and that situational awareness also translates to the desire to not be in response mode.
• 22:08
  The desire to be left a bang, to make sure that the event itself doesn't take place, and to be able to, whether it's to warn somebody, to get somebody help, to change the dynamics on the situation, you would rather have the thing not happen than be involved in it from the point of view of, like, the action part. Yeah. And it's a completely different way of thinking. And so the interesting part for me is that that's the work that I was doing pre pandemic, and I became a top tier instructor in that field of threat assessment and threat management. And then the pandemic started.
• 22:50
  And people, when you ask me sort of like career path, when the pandemic started, I'd a really high level for myself career wise. In the fall of twenty nineteen, I'd just been invited to give testimony to the Texas Senate. I I think it was about two hours worth of testimony on the prevention of mass violence. I was a, you know, people use the word subject matter expert. I was a subject matter expert, a lead trainer, a keynote speaker, a workshop, you know, facilitator in the subject of how do you human made intentional violence where it creates a mass casualty.
• 23:38
  And then the pandemic started, and of course, from a professional standpoint, people reached out to me and they, you know, immediately in the first quarter of twenty twenty, people were saying to me, Doc, is this biowarfare? And that wasn't like a question that people sit around and they discuss at a barbecue. Like, these were high level, state level clients. These were people that were calling me offline. These were people that were sharing information that they had.
• 24:06
  And, obviously, I had to have a professional answer. If I'm the guy that's known to be able to do threat assessments, then what is the threat assessment? What is the threat of this thing that we're all hearing about in January 2020? And more importantly, as somebody who wants to make the event not happen, that's when I took an interest in the mitigation part of the pandemic. You know, what is it that we need to do so that this tragedy doesn't unfold in the way that it ultimately unfolded?
• 24:40
  And I look at the opportunity that I had to get to that point of having this very wide range of interests and degrees, a deep background in science. I have a Bachelor of Science. I have a Master's in Science. And I went out and I did a doctorate in organizational leadership. And I think people are confused you know, sort of like how do you land up being somebody that knows about biowarfare or even about viruses and, you know, whether they exist or don't exist and have an opinion, an educated opinion on this without the without becoming a virologist or without becoming an epidemiologist?
• 25:19
  And the answer is that at the core of all science is the discovery process. You can translate the scientific method. If you know how to do the scientific method, it should translate into anything on the planet. It's methodology. And that includes a way of learning about learning.
• 25:42
  That includes a way of learning about how to think. That includes learning how to teach other people to think. And ultimately, how to test. You test, you're getting trained in the way of conducting a hypothesis, testing the hypothesis, revisiting the hypothesis, finding the holes in the hypothesis, throwing out the hypothesis. So it shouldn't be confusing to anybody.
• 26:06
  I mean, the word doctor means to teach. And so if that's your pursuit, and in my case, was the pursuit of getting to an advanced form of being able to think and solve problems and then teach other people how to do it. It shouldn't be confusing that when one of the world's biggest problems, you know, right, in 2020, that I would tackle it. And I've stuck to it like many others, including yourself, have the tenacity to stick with this problem and know that it's not bookmarked. That's the difference between an emergency situation.
• 26:52
  Let's say in Venezuela, you have an earthquake, buildings come down, right? It's bookmarked. That event has taken place, and now everything that comes from that event, recovering you know, doing recovery, rebuilding, everything, it's that event has ended. The difference in where we are is that the event hasn't ended. We're we're we're we're we're we're still in it.
• 27:15
  Anyway, I appreciate you giving me the space. I always tell people that interview me, please cut me off. I will go on. I will talk. But I always also appreciate the opportunity to really flesh out these concepts with people.
• 27:31
  So, so thank you for very long explanation No. In part
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: To where I come from.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Well, it's it's very fascinating to me, and I always enjoy these kinds of conversations. Specifically, it's a conversation where I think, gosh, if if, you know, you you sat in my living room for ten hours and we had some coffee and and whatnot, we we would just go. You know what I mean? It it would be my my wife would be coming in at three in the morning and saying, okay, Seth, you should probably go to bed now because the girls are waking up at tomorrow morning. Right?
• 28:02
  And so because also I think similar I'm similar to you. I've got such a varied background in in the things that I've studied and I've learned and also my professional, career, and I never really set out to be a podcaster. But I find that, it's, you know, you it's I think there's a a Steve Jobs quote where he was talking about before about you can never you you can only see the dots you know, connect the dots looking backwards. And you're like, oh, that makes sense. I can now see why I had that, you know, three year stint doing this other thing.
• 28:30
  It all kinda comes full circle. And, you know, so as I'm connecting some of the things that you're saying okay. So we've we've you were a a clinical psychologist, and you specifically spent a lot of time in South Africa, which I think is arguably has a a much more colored history of violence, and still to this day. Right? And there's a lot of evil acts that were there, slaughtering of families and everything.
• 28:54
  And so, you were studying evil not just in a textbook, but sitting in a cell with it, or sitting, you know, across a table with it, interrogating and understanding this evil. You also then went into this kind of threat assessment, okay, of how do you stop, these evil acts from happening. But then, if we then take that and we look at through that lens we talked about earlier of political ponderology of the evil people gaining more and more control and power, it's like, what what happens when the threat isn't the kid that's hopped up on meds, that's really confused, that is being influenced by video games or whatever it is that does something stupid? What is how do you assess the threat when the threat is very powerful people that have the ability to engineer society? And not without even getting getting into some of the technology they have for, you know, voice to skull or any of these kinds of things or whatever.
• 29:49
  But when powerful people have the ability to engineer those threats and to create those threats as ways of racking up their own body count, of their ways of actually bringing havoc to this world. And so when you're sitting in a situation like this, at least at least for me, when you look at the world leaders, you look at the people that are kinda pulling the strings in our society, and you can see these obvious agendas that are kind of pushing us into a situation where they want to create this mass fear so that people will just become subservient. They'll say, okay, I'll give up some of my freedom if you'll protect me from the threat. Right? So, you know, problem, reaction, solution.
• 30:30
  How do you then kinda make sense of all that coming together and seeing and COVID was a perfect example of, oh, wow. Okay. We live in a world where some pretty evil people have a lot of control over the world, and they wanna do a lot of bad things, and they want their body count to be in the billions, potentially. And so as someone that, you know, we were talking before, you have two young children, very similar ages as as myself, How do you how do you kind of make sense of all of this that's happening right now?
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I I I can only make sense of it by by seeing by trying to understand the perspective of those that have the ultimate control, right? So we spoke a little bit about motive. It's all about how somebody's framing something, right? So to somebody that's committing evil, they are not necessarily thinking that they're doing evil. They may, right?
• 31:27
  They may be doing it because they know that it's awful. Like, you know, somebody who's sadistic knows that their acts are sadistic, and they enjoy the element of cruelty. But for a lot of for a lot of people that do the most heinous acts, they're doing them, and they are sleeping well at night, and they are getting their power and persuasion is is amplified by society because it's framed, just like when we spoke about Kevorkian, it's framed in some sort of moral pursuit or the right thing to do. So what's confusing for people in terms of the system that we're in is that nobody's ever going to be able to track down a main perpetrator of everything that that is taking place, that every that anything that's taking place, you know, we sort of there's there's an easy I find myself doing this all the time where it's like, you think about the world and and and, you know, 2020 becomes this this, like, you know, mark, right, this line. But it's very important to remember that nothing's ever new and that the cycle of life gets repeated.
• 32:36
  And so ultimately, the cruelty and the control that we're seeing now is a manifestation of a system that gets to the point where human beings, their main pursuit is no longer waking up each day to survive. As a race, right? As species, right? Every species needs to get to that point where they're not trying to figure out how to make it through the day, right? And ultimately, I'm going to try and figure out how to reset this camera again.
• 33:11
  There we go. Something I want to tell your audience, which is I'm not shirking from it anymore. I think that part of part of what I think needs to happen next for all of us is people are going to start gravitating to those that are the most real. Part of it is that people are now realizing, especially with the advancement of AI and with, you know, the amount of money that can be thrown at influence and propaganda, it's easy for things to be polished. It's easy for people to go to the thing that looks perfect and to feel secure in it.
• 33:53
  But that's what got us into this mess that we're in right now. So, there's something that's actually interesting for me from a psychological point of view that I want people to know, Hey, I'm a guy who's trying to figure this out. Who's got all this information in my head that I want other people to have. And yes, I've got a camera on today that is turning me red for some apparent reason because it's the distance between me and the camera, I will go out and get a new one. And I got beeping in the background.
• 34:22
  And the level of how human we can be with each other is going to be one of the most important pieces to surviving this, right? I know there was a little bit of a tangent, but I'm going to come back to this part where if people are searching for this main perpetrator, they're not going to find the main perpetrator. What the perpetrator is in this world right now is a system, and that system is being guided by, ultimately, by culture. And my doctorate looked at organizational culture and how it relates to violence. And that expands into, you can expand that into what is the culture of the world?
• 35:10
  And how does culture emerge? Well, culture is a form of norms and values that become co decided. It becomes tested, and people will decide whether that's the value system that they're going to run on. And that ultimately the rules of engagement, whether it's in an organization or in your local community, or what you'll tolerate, or what you'll tolerate from politicians or what you'll tolerate from a company, the norms and values don't get dictated in the way that people think that it's just, you know, somebody goes out and sets a rule. Over time, it takes hold by the sort of putting it out there and seeing what people do with it.
• 35:54
  Right? And ultimately, where we're at with the system right now is that because the human species got to a point of survivability, it then becomes less about community and about helping each other out to make it through the day. Right? So, you know, even bacteria have a form of voting called quorum where they can make a mutual decision across an entire species of bacteria. A decision will get made based on their survivability.
• 36:25
  If they all need to die off, they'll do it. If they all need to move, they'll do it. If they all need to adapt, they'll do it. And it's the same thing where we are currently in society, in that these world leaders have decided that the path that the planet is on in terms of humans is that we are no longer needed. Right?
• 36:51
  With the advancement of technology comes this we get to a point where either a tool is no longer needed, right? Historically, you can look back at tools and it's quite fun sometimes, you know, see somebody post an obscure tool, a farming implement or something that their granddad had, you know, in the shed. And most people won't know what that is. I mean, if you ask a kid today how to operate a rotary phone, right, they don't know how to just turn dial. Tools are like that, and unfortunately, species are like that too.
• 37:33
  And so where we at in terms of global leadership is that they have decided from a moral perspective that the combination of that there's so many of us and that we're no longer needed, they have looked at it, and this is the title of the book that I'm about to bring out, it's called Surplus. And we, as a species, have hit a point that a lot of other species hit, which is that we are now surplus. We are no longer needed. I'll give another giveaway that's actually part of the introduction to my book. Most people have never heard of a turnspit dog.
• 38:12
  You heard of a turnspit dog? It is a breed of dog that was bred to be that its sole purpose was to spin a wheel inside a kitchen or an inn Oh.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Or a familiar with this. Yes. The spit dogs. Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:30
  Yes.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. Okay. So the spit dogs are a perfect example, a metaphor for where we at. And I actually start my book with this story because it is fascinating to think that at some point, dogs were bred, a certain breed of dog was bred with the sole purpose of turning a wheel that basically turned a rotisserie for a chunk of meat.
• 38:54
  And that before that, before the dogs, children would often have the task, or some, you know, poor person would have the task for hours of turning a handle so that a big chunk of meat would be able to cook thoroughly on a rotisserie style grill. Okay? And then machines came about, and the dogs were no longer needed. And so those dogs became obsolete. And the way that they were structured after breeding out for a small dog with short legs that could power this wheel.
• 39:31
  They didn't make good pets. They weren't hunting dogs, right? They became, more importantly, just like what's going to happen with human beings, would be the part of the reason that they became extinct and bred out was that they became a symbol of poverty. If you still had the dog, right, and you're in, and you didn't have the machine, you were frowned upon, and your in wasn't keeping up. And this is what's gonna happen with the with AI, and this is what's gonna happen with the robots.
• 40:04
  You're gonna have the same way as my kids are so young that I have no idea how they know what a Nike swoosh is. It certainly didn't come for me and my wife to somehow make a Nike swoosh a desirable piece of clothing. How do they even know that? Right? How do these kids know symbols and logos before they can even know letters, right?
• 40:28
  A kid will be able to drive by and know a Starbucks logo, right? And in the same way, what will happen with society is that we will also be facing a peer group pressure, and especially with the youth and especially with children, that if you are no longer, if you are still doing your laundry yourself, if you're vacuuming, if you're sweeping and your robot's not doing it, you will be in that poverty class. And that is part of the way that they will sell you and lease you and and and enslave you in the psychological trap of you now need this machine. Right? And they don't only do it through psychology.
• 41:12
  I'm sure you're aware of this, but when the dryer came out and people were encouraged to now plug in this appliance that could dry your clothes, the tumble dryer, and the washing machine, they didn't just do that through the power of advertising and persuasion. They started banning clotheslines.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: And they demonized them. Right?
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: They demonized them. Yeah. You know, to dry your clothes in the sun, not only where you are a poor person, but, you know, in places it was unsightly. You were making the environment ugly, right? You were still hanging your clothes between two buildings in New York City.
• 41:57
  And so all of a sudden you find yourself, and this, the scary part is from a non psychopath position, most of us can't fathom what it would feel like to suddenly think of human beings in this objectified way where you no longer need. But we are all living through that time. There is nobody on the planet, and I include myself in this, I don't have to include you, and you can decide for yourself, obviously, and your audience. But I think all of us are slightly more psychopathic than from 2020 onwards to where we are now, where, you know, a ticker tape got run daily to tell us how many dead people, you know, how many people were dying to the point where it just became normalized. We're fighting wars, and unlike other wars, you know, there's no tragedy that comes with it.
• 42:52
  We don't know the death toll. Some places, we don't even get to see the pictures, right, in terms of of just normalizing this experience, this disappearance of the thing that we treasured as a species. We trip obviously, from a species point of view, until we hit the survivability, being human in your own tribe was the most profound valued thing. Right? The the idea of no one left behind.
• 43:24
  Right?
• 43:26
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• 43:43
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• 44:21
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• 44:42
  So again, that's goldwithseth.com. My wife and I, we bought the domain Human Again, and she was work she's she's been working on a book called Human Again. You know, kinda talking about how this is the solution. You know, this is the way to counter everything that's happening is just to go back to being human again, you know, building local communities, going back to these these older ways of doing things. And this is what's interesting is is I feel like as society has progressed, a lot of the more progressive people, they wanna keep there's this belief that what came before was more outdated, and they wanna keep changing and improving.
• 45:22
  But the people that are oftentimes guiding that changing and improving, it's in a lot of ways, it's leading, you know, the clan of lambs to slaughter. But, you know, you mentioned before when you're talking about some of these kinda more fundamental principles of preparedness, it's about looking at a situation and thinking, if x happens, what can I do right now to make sure that I have a way of still kinda taking responsibility for myself and my family and my community as an extension of that if that happens? Right? And so and that's a big thing is because if you look at you know, I've for people that that watch this show even a little bit, that, know, they know I'm I'm pretty serious about preparedness. And, you know, we've my wife and I have thought through a lot of redundancies.
• 46:05
  You know, we own a freeze dryer. Right? So we freeze dry beef, and we freeze dry eggs, and we we're can you have a back stock of that? We have dehydrators who have got, I think, six five or six different kinds of generators. Right?
• 46:17
  So we're looking at, okay, what if this happens and that happens? And, obviously, you can go to the extreme with it, but there's a balance to it. But I think that that's the key. And so when you're talking about some of this older technology, the clothesline, you know, as part of our own kind of preparedness weeks, I grew up in Ohio, and so I grew up you know, run a lot of Amish and Mennonite communities. And so we've even, you know, gone, and we've bought a lot of things they have.
• 46:41
  So we even have the Amish wash buckets, right, for you know, and washboards for washing clothes. We've looked at
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: How do they do these things. You know, we've got a really nice, you know, aircraft aluminum hand mill. Right? It's a kind of it's it's a hand mill you use for grinding flour that you can pass down to your children, so we've got one of those. So we've we've really tried to live in that way in thinking that what happens if all this gets taken away?
• 47:04
  And I think that's part of where we're at in history. Right? Because you mentioned that this group of people that have obtained this power, that have this, you know, kind of drive for this body count, and say that yeah. You're right. Say they have justified.
• 47:18
  Say, well, you know, the Earth's resources are finite. And if we want our own generations, we want our families and our own kin, which you can't blame them for looking after their own families. If they say, well, if we want to be able to go on for generations and generations, then we can't share the earth's resources with all these other kind of useful eaters. Right? So we probably should get rid of them.
• 47:40
  But I think that part of that process is taking the and using the tools they have culture, to demonize things like clotheslines. Or my mom tell me growing up in the sixties and seventies that her mom used to love gardening, but she had to hide her garden in the back because her dad was embarrassed of it. Because if you had a garden in the sixties or seventies, you were considered poor because you had to grow your own food. Couldn't go to the supermarket. Right?
• 48:03
  And so I think that what's happened though is that as part of one of the fundamental parts of what you could probably refer to as a depopulation agenda, it's about taking people further and further away from the land and away from the ways of living where they have they have they're truly self reliant and pushing them into systems where they are relying on the grocery stores, relying on the doctor, their prescriptions, and relying on all these modern systems. And so then if something happens and if those systems get removed, whether it's through an EMP, whether it's through through fuel rationing, whatever it is, that if those systems get removed, a large chunk of the population that has learned to live and exist only with those systems will no longer be able to live and exist anymore, and that creates societal chaos. And so that's why I'm you know, and I think that you're in the same journey too, you know, in as responsible of a way as possible, trying to figure out how to think through all those potential problems. Even to put right now, I'm I'm you know, right now, we've got, you know, two main vehicles.
• 49:11
  They're both newer vehicles, you know, 2023 and 2026 vehicle. And so, you know, in the next month or two, we're gonna I'm gonna sell the 2023, you know, Honda Odyssey minivan, and I wanna go get, like, a nineteen eighties Ford Bronco. Like, I wanna get a vehicle that I can operate on, that I can actually take apart. I can fix it. The government bid there's an EMP.
• 49:33
  It's still gonna keep going. And that's also part of that thinking is it's like, yeah. Right right now, if you have an issue with your car, you can only go to the the Ford certified repair person that knows exactly how to diagnose that electronic issue that's causing it not to start. And to me, that's a vulnerability that I'm trying to eliminate. So, anyway, it's it's just very interesting how all these things converge like this.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: I I you you know what mean? I think part of it part of it is to establish what's what's taking place. There's always time after an event to sort of do the forensic part, right, in terms of like, how did this happen that leads into prevention. As I mentioned earlier, the challenge that we're all facing is that because this is human made and because it hasn't ended yet, having to do things in real time with a sense of conviction and certainty. But it's not it hasn't yet got to a point threshold wise where we've hit what Malcolm Gladwell called the tipping point, right?
• 50:48
  Where it still feels like this preparedness movement and this way of thinking that you just described. It hasn't hit a tipping point yet where it feels like a solid community endeavor. It still feels like, you know, you're you're still the outlier. Right? You're still the outlier in having to think like this, in having to go and source this.
• 51:14
  And more importantly for me, I think the danger of it is that we, in real time, you can see how laws are getting rewritten, regulations are changing, the ability to incarcerate, to enforce, to demonize a person through their actions, you can see the smallness of the changes that are being made should help people to understand how that's going to affect their liberty with the bigger things. So, for example, what you just talked about with the Ford Bronco and the ability for it not to be controlled remotely, right? Well, we just went through that where we saw, I can't remember exactly where it was, but was it Colorado or somewhere? There was a ban the remote start of being able to use the remote start to warm up your vehicle. I don't remember exactly what state or what city that was in, but laws got changed, and they didn't even have to ask people permission because what they did is they just went to the dealers, and they said, do a software upgrade.
• 52:23
  Yeah. And that feature no longer works.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: It was like when they when there was two say it was hot, and there was a threat to the grid supposedly, and everyone that had Nest or all these, you know, kind of, you know, Wi Fi enabled, heating and cooling systems, they were they were actually controlled externally. So you cannot turn your AC down below 75 degrees. That's why we've got an old school old school one. I I got rid the smart meter on our house. We have an analog meter on our house.
• 52:49
  Like, they they can't turn that off. Right? Or at least, you know, they they came in person, they could. But, yeah, this this is it's it's exactly it. It's exactly it.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: We've gotta grow the grow grow the movement, and part of what the shift that took place with me is that I, at one stage, you know, deeply I'm an optimist, which is philosophically you believe that the moment that we have at any given moment is the best moment that manifest, right? Even terrible moments are running through the universal algorithm or what some people would call, you know, be comfortable calling God. The God like moment is that the universe has created this moment and that this moment is the the best set of circumstances of everything coming together. And that doesn't mean to say that it can't get better afterwards or that the circumstances can't change, but it means that what we have to look at is that the that ultimately that this for me, I went from this point of view of could I warn people against the vaccines? Could I tell people the threat that we're facing?
• 53:57
  Can I tell people what I think is coming? And ultimately, do I feel like it's preventable? And the conclusion that I'm now at, which is quite dark, and you asked me, you know, mentioning that we've both got young kids, is that I believe that many of the things that I think are coming are now inevitable. I think that when you watch, you know, it's watching a block of ice being put into a pot on top of a stove, and you watch the stove turned on, and you're watching the flame. It's inevitable that that block of ice is going to melt.
• 54:37
  So Unless the stove is turned off.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: What what do you think are some of the things that are inevitable, like, in terms of just the disruptions to our way of life? And and and keep in mind, I don't look at this as being doomsday. And this is I I try to always give it. This is It's like, I look at it as being sober and realistic, and you can be optimistic within that. You can say, okay.
• 54:58
  This is you know, there's some bad stuff coming, but how can I be proactive now to lessen that? Right? So it's it's not about, you know, the whole world's gonna go to hell in a handbasket, and you're probably gonna be eating your neighbor in a year. So, okay. It's, like, not going there.
• 55:11
  But with your background of threat assessment and all the things you've talked about, what do you see as being inevitable?
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: So what I think is inevitable is that a decision has been made, and everything that we've got on the table right now in terms of leverage and the world's ability to stop this, I'm not seeing any signs of people wanting to stop this. But the decision has been made at the most upper levels of society that we are surplus and that humanity is going to be cold. I believe that the Georgia Guidestones, I believe that that was laid out. I believe that Ted Turner put those up. And I believe that he represents the class of leadership and dictatorship and power that have ultimately mutually agreed upon this agenda.
• 56:13
  And part of it is that some of it is laid out in the most rational way. Some of it is just deeply philosophical. Some of it probably never had to be spoken because, like I said, it's culture. It's mutual decision making. But I believe that the number that they've got in their head behind closed doors and in upper level leadership is 500,000,000 people.
• 56:36
  I think that they are looking for culling the human population over time to only a half a billion people left on the planet, as laid out by the Georgia Guidestones. I think that part of that is that when someone says, Well, when is that going to occur? There is no exact date because the date is the equivalent of me walking in and saying to somebody that has a spit dog, telling them that it's going to that spit dog is going to be obsolete and that it's going to be replaced by a machine. And their next question should be when. If they believe it, their next question should be when.
• 57:24
  So the answer in terms of when this will occur and when that will bring the population down to half a billion is when AI and robotics have got to the point where they can replace the billions of people that are going to be obsolete. We are not obsolete at the moment. There are certain communities and there are certain countries where they are already at that obsolete number, but they're not going to make decisions country by country, at least as I can see. It's going to be systematic in terms of bringing in that technology into certain places. And then, ultimately, when people say, Well, how will they do this?
• 58:07
  Well, the pandemic was called a live exercise. They literally told us that this is not the real thing, that this is a live exercise. And part of that live exercise was, Okay, well, we're going to use A live exercise includes the idea that you're using live ammunition. So the vaccines that we use is a test run of the technology that they have the ability to use and everything that comes with that technology in terms of blaming it on a disease, making up a new virus, having people disappear and it's not noticeable because you've moved millions of other people into your countries. You know, people talk about moving.
• 58:58
  They talk about migration and illegal immigrants. And I know people like Elon Musk make a big fuss about it being for voting, but that's part of it. But but part of it is bodies. Part of it is that if you are looking and I'll bring back the stadium that I've mentioned, and I'll even use another example of stadium. If you are looking at a stadium, if if you have a camera pinned on a stadium, and if it's your job to see if people are going home from the stadium, That's that's your own your your only job is to monitor how full the stadium is and to see whether people were leaving the stadium.
• 59:44
  If you didn't know that there was a system in place that for every person who got up and left, another person was shuttled in. You would just be looking at the screen and you'd be like, no change, boss. And that's what migration is about. And that's what illegal immigrants, as they have been used and as they were used in the Biden administration, in terms of that replacement so that it's not noticeable. We don't see the void.
• 1:00:09
  The other aspect of it is that I believe that the technology that we are seeing is built so that it can be run-in real time with consequences to human beings. So, for example, I think I might have been the first, one of the first, if not the first person, to really look at the spike protein and to understand ultimately what I called it was a neurotransmitter. That it was playing a role as an incapacitating biological weapon Before it would play a role as a lethal, it would play a role the same way as pepper spray is incapacitating. And part of that is that the science is now matching that in terms of the complete devastation of the dopamine system that the spike protein creates. Work that I'm just, as of last night, started looking at is that I didn't actually realize.
• 1:01:13
  Most of us know that serotonin is kept in the gut. What I didn't realize is serotonin is stored in platelets. So if you disturb platelets, you crash serotonin. So, part of what they're calling long COVID and part of what vaccine injury is doing is it's dysregulated serotonin. It's created the dumping of serotonin, and that serotonin is not being replaced, and the serotonin is no longer being stored.
• 1:01:41
  And ultimately, what I realized is that's another part of a real time kill switch. That is now going to be called the suicide switch. Right? Because you're seeing more and more people wanting suicide. You're seeing places like Canada and other places bring in systems that have made it easy and profitable for suicide to be the way out.
• 1:02:05
  By the way, when I said earlier that nothing's new on the sun, that that is not a new method. That is exactly what Masada is. Masada was a group of people that were convinced that the only way out was to kill everybody on Masada. Right? And it became it got this, you know, moral twinge to it.
• 1:02:24
  They were able to tell that story as a narrative where it sounds like it was a heroic and wonderful and moral decision that fathers killed their entire families and then killed themselves. And then we were sold that that was excellent, that these people saved themselves from slavery. But that's not the way that the human condition should ever be thinking. Even if you're going to be a slave. Right?
• 1:02:53
  Even if you're going to leave Masada and be a slave, you should be thinking about how, as a slave, you will work towards your freedom, or you'll slit the throat of the person that's enslaving you. But you should never be driven into a principle where suicide becomes a moral act because you can see how easily that can be manipulated.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: So what I see happening from 2030 is an acceleration of everything that people like you and others have been covering in terms of the fifteen minute cities, the digitization of everything, the mandates that were tested, the societal the biggest win for them was that they were able to test out things that they saw in places like South Africa under apartheid, in The States under segregation. They were able to see things that were tested in the Holocaust. They were able to see Milgram's experiments. And the other big one, Philip Zimbardo, the ability for people to be given permission to be cruel and how quickly that can turn, right? The idea that if you are randomly, that if you were randomly assigned, either you were going to be the victim or perpetrator, and you were, you know, given the ability under Zimbata's experiment to become the jail warden, that within days, it was his girlfriend or his wife at the time that had to tell him to stop the experiment because she could tell there's probably going to be a murder.
• 1:04:37
  There was probably going to be, you know, some sort of severe injury because once people had been given permission from society to be cruel, people will take it. Right? And that's what we saw during the pandemic. So they've already tested that the average person will turn on their neighbor, the average person won't allow somebody into a restaurant, the average person will let somebody know that's the house, that's the house that's off grid. Those people down the street, those are the ones that chose not to vaccinate their children.
• 1:05:10
  They've already realized that just as in any other atrocity and just like in any other genocide, it is not the minority that does the killing. It's not the leadership. They get the majority to do the dirty work. Right? Exactly.
• 1:05:24
  So part of the preparation is, for me, is knowing that we've got less than four years, that from 2030, this is all going to speed up. We need to know that we're not outliers. I had no idea before we spoke, you know, I knew a little bit about your ARC project, and I want to hear more about that, and I'm going to, you know, research it because there is absolutely a need for us to know what work each of us is doing so that we don't try and reinvent the wheel that somebody's already working on. It's a waste of time. It's a waste of resources.
• 1:06:00
  It also means you might need resources to finish your project that somebody else thinks they need to start and that need, that both of them fail because we didn't know that we were actually trying to do the same thing. Your ARC project is a couple of things for me metaphorically, and I'm sure you've covered this in if you haven't already. Your art project for me is that at any stage when people walk past Noah, they think he's insane. Right? At any stage, Noah and that story can also be used and exploited, just like it recently happened where somebody actually was building an ark and then the flood never came recently, which is another thing, another trick that they do, where they make us feel like we're preparing for something and then it doesn't come.
• 1:06:46
  So they did that with hantavirus. They they they will they will play. They will play predators play with their victims. They test out things. Hantavirus was an amazing way to see how quickly they brought back the same actors, the same frauds, the same people from WHO, the same people that failed everybody else in society that brought these draconian rules.
• 1:07:10
  They were all back on TV, and everybody just accepted them again. We all thought they were going be chased down the street with pitchforks. But in fact, they were back on TV as the heroes. They were back on TV as the guiders. They were back on TV as the shepherds.
• 1:07:24
  So we have to have an awareness that community action and finding each other is vital. We have to realize that part of what helps us is that at any given time, and I put a post on this recently, the society, your average person, is no longer able to see who the sheepdog is and who
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: the wolf
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: is. But we have to find each other. The sheepdogs, the true sheepdogs have to be able to find each other. And the only way that I can perceive that happening in real time is truth. No matter what it is, you have to stick to the truth.
• 1:08:05
  Are there days that I feel like it would be better for me to go along like everybody else and pretend that SARS CoV-two as a virus exists? Absolutely. Because even amongst the health freedom movement, I'm the outlier. They all want to pretend that this virus exists. Well, it doesn't.
• 1:08:23
  And as a scientist, I can't go along with nonsense. I can go along and understand the science of sequencing. I can understand the manipulation of PCR. I can find the really weird stuff that happened or where that sequence arrived. Everybody, you know, pretends that there was this, like, sort of solid action where people have seen this thing and that it's isolated.
• 1:08:44
  The sequence is, you know, shown to be valid. I mean, it arrived on a computer by a doctor called Doctor. Lily Wren two weeks before it was put onto the server, and that people then, like Gospel, said that the sequence exists. Why would the sequence arrive two weeks before as an incomplete sequence? And then the person who puts this on there, this finder of this world's, you know, new first novel virus, and she's asked basic questions, and she chooses not to answer them.
• 1:09:17
  She doesn't bother to call anybody, to email anybody. The sequence that she found, this groundbreaking science. What scientists in the world have you ever heard that operates like that, unless they're under duress, unless they don't actually have the sequence, unless they don't even know who they're working for because they've got multiple handlers. So, all of these things, to me, it's far easier to ignore them. Right?
• 1:09:42
  It's easier, I'll I'll go, vent on one more piece to this puzzle. It's also very easy for people to pretend that they don't know what SARS CoV-two is in terms of the thing that does exist. And that spike protein exists, and the spike protein was put into vaccines, and that spike protein has profound effects on the human body. Right? And I just covered one of them, the neurological aspect, right?
• 1:10:11
  The neuro tranquilizing aspect to this. But the other aspect to it is that when people can't, in their minds, believe that billions of people can literally, and I used the word that was, you know, used previously, exterminated, right, which is a word that was purposefully chosen to dehumanize people. But in the same way, people can't fathom that billions of people can be eliminated. It won't happen in a way that is all in go, right, until they're ready for that to happen. Yeah.
• 1:10:50
  But I do believe that a model exists. I do believe that a model exists, and this is what I, you know, unfortunately, I have to start wrapping up, but I want to explain to people what I, from a threat management and a threat assessment point of view, I believe the data centers are. I believe that the data centers are to be able to control AI and autonomous cars and deep searches and run homes and do the surveillance for, you know, companies like Palantir and others. I believe that's all necessary now. But we don't have to go far in history to realize that the first computer was the size of a huge, gigantic room and that a phone right now, right, a phone right now has vastly more compute power than something that took up a whole room.
• 1:11:45
  So we should be able to very easily understand that a data center will become obsolete. You can you could you can easily imagine that a data center that's twice the size of New York City will just have a quantum computer in one section of it that will be smaller than the average pantry in a house, and that will replace the entire data center. Which means, why do you need it to be so big? Why does it need its own water supply, purified water? Why does it need its own grid?
• 1:12:17
  Why does it need domes that can keep out drones? Why does it need to be EMP proof? Because what they're building is not data centers. They are building above ground bunkers. That's what they're building.
• 1:12:32
  And they are building their version of the of the surviving shelter, of the shelter in place, of the isolate yourself, and they are building, at the same time, the kill box, to use military terms. They're building the grid that becomes the kill box, and that kill box are called fifteen minute cities. And all you have to do is you literally just have to switch that city off, and that city will either take care of itself, like you just said neighbor eat neighbor, and we know that that's what happens, Or the inability to survive. But more importantly, the technology that's now available, like you mentioned in EMP, I believe, and I don't believe they're quite there yet, is that what they're trying to do with mRNA technology is they're trying to insert sequences into the human genome that can be operated through frequency and light. And that ultimately, that they will get to a point where they're able to toggle it like a switch.
• 1:13:42
  I'll end with one more piece that I think that most people have either seen some of my posts about, but a lot of your audience might be new to me, is that most people don't realize that the spike protein that was used in all, all of the COVID vaccines, all included a very short sequence that is only 19 letters long. I call it the 19 nucleotide sequence, and it is owned by Moderna. And that there was a patent dispute and a financial dispute over some of this technology because it was developed by DARPA, BARDA, which is biodefense, NIH, and Moderna. And that 19 nucleotide sequence is found in what they call SARS CoV-two, and it is a short sequence that includes what everybody knows as the furan cleavage site. But most people don't know that that short sequence controls DNA repair.
• 1:14:46
  So, if you were going to insert a sequence into the human body, whether it's the microbiome or the microbiome, which is fungus, and they can grow the spike protein in fungus, which is where I believe the spike protein is grown and what creates spike protein persistence in the human body, they can grow a sequence that can be toggled to tell your body not to repair your DNA. If your body is not repairing DNA and if it's not care and if it's not taking care of protein folding, misfolding, and if it is not correcting its miss mistakes, its mutations, you are in an an entropic death spiral, and you just have to toggle it on, and you will literally switch people off. And that's probably not the brightest thing to say I have to go. But where I will leave your audience is that I might have just set up everybody to understand how real it is, the subjects that you're talking about. The technology exists.
• 1:15:48
  It's understandable. And, you know, if the layperson can understand it, if it's explained like I just did, the technology is there for everybody to look up. Like, this 2016 patent by Moderna, you can go look it up. And the chances of it being found in this novel virus was, like like, one in in in three billion or something. Right?
• 1:16:11
  So, yes, you'll have a bunch of virologists try and convince people that it was just there by chance, or you'll have a brain, and you'll be saying, no. That's not the way the world works. It's not by chance that this that this death switch is in all the spike proteins that were injected into five point seven billion people. So what I want to say is that I might not be the best person in terms of I do set out the doomsday stuff. I do tell people the reality.
• 1:16:36
  It's no different for me than if a high school called me in and they said, We've got this kid. What do you think the chances are, based on the information you you have, do you think he's actually going to shoot up the school? If I left that school and told them, nah. I don't think he's gonna do it. Who am I serving?
• 1:16:55
  Who am I serving? But the threat management piece becomes even more important than the threat assessment piece. The threat assessment piece is for me to tell people what I think they've done and what I think is coming, And the threat management piece is the preparedness side. So for somebody who's now listening to this and going, Well, my day is ruined now, or I feel shitty about this, what I would say is that the awareness of knowing something's about to occur is your best opportunity to do something about it. Exactly.
• 1:17:31
  Certain that something's going to occur is going to help you actually find the resources. When it's the gray area, it's the hardest. Right? Hearing the sound of gunfire will make most people stop and maybe think, is that what I think it is? And if you're trained, you're going to do something about it.
• 1:17:54
  And if you're even more trained, you're going to help the people that think it's nothing. Right? And so that's where I think that we're at right now in terms of I think that we got ourselves into a position of manipulation where gun control and the way that that that active shooter stuff used to be taught and the way that that it was all set up, that you would know the threat because you would hear the sound of the shot. And then the shot came in a syringe, and it was silent, and it didn't take away your Second Amendment rights. But your First Amendment rights already got taken away, should have let you know that your Second Amendment rights were on the way out, and then your Second Amendment was actually taken away because you didn't have the right to defend yourself, and you thought you were going to defend yourself from something kinetic.
• 1:18:47
  And that's also the absolute urgency of people to be very realistic with what the threats are of today. It's so much more important for people to realize that there's a threat of drones, so much more for people to realize synthetic biology is the greatest threat that we currently are under than it is to think about your arsenal and whether there's ammunition. Right? You didn't get to use it when they forced you and your kids into a parking lot somewhere. You didn't get to use it when they told you that you couldn't have a job anymore unless you injected yourself with poison.
• 1:19:21
  Nobody showed up with a car barn in the street to go, well, we're not taking this vaccine. Right? And so that's what I think is also a really, really important psychological preparation for people to make their own mindset switch about what these civil rights look like and how they can be decayed and that they will convince you that it's ultimately beneficial. That's the great trick that they're using. The benevolent deception is the way that they've won.
• 1:19:51
  I I would absolutely love to say that I wanna continue on, but my kids will be left at gymnastics camp. And we both know that that's not a good thing if it's if you're the dad that doesn't show up.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: So Yes. That's not have
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: to leave. I'd love to be invited back, and I I wanna say to your audience, thank you for listening, and thank you for putting up with me turning bright red and for, you know, beeping background noises, but I'm just really hoping that they got to hear some crucial information.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I I think it was really good. I honestly. And and I I wish do do you have three more minutes? Or how how's how
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: No. I I wish I did.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: I I
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: really That's okay. Really do.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: Got a lot of a few things to show you. But, anyway, that's it. I'll make sure to put your your Twitter and and some of the information on how to follow you into the show descriptions. People can follow-up and and, just, yeah, follow your work. Anyway, thank you so much for your time.
• 1:20:45
  It was such a pleasure to speak with you. I think that we'll be having many more conversations, so we'll we'll make sure to keep in touch. Okay?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: Let's do it really soon because
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: I have
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: a lot more that I wanted to cover, including I've just plugged this at you know, it's not even showing up on camera. This is a product that I invented. It's it's copper based, and this is this is part of of my mitigation strategies. And maybe next time we can cover why and and why copper is such a significant part of of of surviving of what what's coming. So Yeah.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: It's also it's also what glyphosate attacks. So what
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: I I got I absolutely have to run. Okay. Being I'm being that bad right now. But Okay. Thank you, Seth, and and I really appreciate every all of your efforts, and, look forward to chatting again soon.
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