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Vampires, Blues, and Cultural Battles · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:15
  Speaker 1: you know, and it'll be rated as it was meant to be by three white men yeah, I think that I think that we have the best insights.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously, obviously, obviously.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: Listen, it's 2025.
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: You're allowed to have any insights you want.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: We're not confined to the barriers of race or socioeconomic status or even time.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: Just do whatever the fuck you want.
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: As long as you're not hurting anyone.
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: Do whatever you want, as long as you're not being a piece of shit, but yeah, but over half the world doesn't believe in that.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: So all right, let's get into it.
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right.
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, everyone, welcome to High and Dry Podcast.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: I'm your host, ryan Barrow-North, with me, as always, luke James Crossland.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: We are the only podcast keeping alive the fandom that is Harriet the Spy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, RIP Michelle Trachtenberg.
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  Speaker 3: It's very rare that I don't have to look up what you said.
• 1:17
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't have to look up which I do know.
• 1:21
  Speaker 3: This one, though I do I forgot?
• 1:23
  Speaker 2: sometimes I forget that you're younger than us.
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  Speaker 2: You know you're.
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: You're like half a decade younger than us and so beard and mustache throws it off too makes me look 35 I saw.
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  Speaker 2: I saw harriet the spy in theaters, so did I uh yeah, I definitely had never.
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: I remember I might have seen this like on tv, though, because I do remember this um movie I remember there was like a snow day thing, or was that just a different snow day?
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  Speaker 2: was a different movie.
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  Speaker 2: It was a different michelle trachtenberg I, she might have been in that one you said.
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: Said you remember Snow Day Luke Was Michelle Shachtenberg in that one, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't say I don't remember.
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  Speaker 3: I did love that one.
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  Speaker 2: A very formative scene from Harriet, the Spy from my youth is when Harriet is looking over at her classmate who came back from summer vacation with tits.
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  Speaker 1: I do remember that.
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  Speaker 1: I do remember that now.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: So everyone, welcome to High and Dry.
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: We're not going to be talking about breasts in a preteen television show all episode.
• 2:32
  Speaker 1: We're going to switch over to adult breasts.
• 2:35
  Speaker 1: So, for those of you who are joining us for the first time, we're going to be breaking down a movie for you today.
• 2:39
  Speaker 1: We are going to be tackling Sinners, a film that's just now kind of starting to hit all the streaming services, and we're going to do this in a three part method.
• 2:48
  Speaker 1: First, we're going to rate this film and we're going to give you the definitive score on this, as could only be delivered by us.
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: No one can ever argue it at all.
• 3:05
  Speaker 3: We're just saying that imdb is very harsh on movies and, realistically, you should be listening to us and not them.
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, yeah, rotten tomatoes is skewed um.
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: Siskel and ebert are dead, aren't they?
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: One of them is siskel, siskel.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we are the definitive now.
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: So then, part two Roger Ebert is still kicking around out there.
• 3:24
  Speaker 1: He's still doing something.
• 3:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know the Gen Zers definitely turned to him for their their movie reviews.
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  Speaker 1: Still so good for him.
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  Speaker 1: So part two we're going to get on the golden path and we're going to really dive into some of the deeper layers of this particular film onion.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: And then, finally, we're going to insert ourselves drugs and or alcohol into the film.
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: And what makes it so fun, so fantastic and so special is that we're going to be doing a drunk and or high.
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: So, uh, fellas, what are you smoking this week?
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: You?
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  Speaker 3: go.
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  Speaker 3: I want you to go first this time, ron, what?
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: are you drinking this week?
• 3:59
  Speaker 3: you.
• 3:59
  Speaker 3: I would like to know what you're drinking we're also giving this week, I know I'm just feeling in the mood right.
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I picked up some yellowstone select.
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: This is a a 93 proof.
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: Uh, bourbon whiskey.
• 4:14
  Speaker 1: It's a little little lighter than what I tend to do.
• 4:17
  Speaker 1: I was looking at one that was 123, but I decided eh, let's try 123.
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  Speaker 3: But is that one?
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  Speaker 3: Would you say that one's smoother than something that you normally drink, or not?
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: It should be, because normally I'm drinking in the 120s, like 115, 120 is where I like to hang out, so I decided to tone it down just a touch.
• 4:37
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that was worth going going first.
• 4:40
  Speaker 3: That's a change up for you.
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: That's not even that's not the normal well, I mean last week I did patrone yeah, that was a, that was a big curveball.
• 4:49
  Speaker 3: The white liquor on last week, that one I I would have swung and missed that any day of the week.
• 4:55
  Speaker 3: Well, what about you, fellas?
• 4:58
  Speaker 3: I have a, a classic strain.
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: Uh, I think everyone knows this one pineapple, express it's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have like stress is really going and it is I.
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  Speaker 3: I had it as soon as I got.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, man, this is such a good.
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  Speaker 3: It's a citrusy, it's, it's a great, it really is a great strain is it sativa dominant, hybrid or did you get managed?
• 5:18
  Speaker 3: To get a pure sativa, no sativa dominant hybrid.
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah does it also send inappropriate text messages to underage girls?
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: No, not this one it does when you're not looking.
• 5:33
  Speaker 2: Oh no, using your phone uh, james franco afari fell from grace, also not a weed smoker.
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: If you watch pineapple express and you watch him, uh, in his scenes, no smoke or anything.
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: Everyone else has smoke and uh, james franco did nothing, he's he's also a liar yeah, he's also a liar, exactly wow okay, all right, wow so not only a pedo liar cool, that's.
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was you know I, I'm done, I'm done yeah, all right, what about?
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  Speaker 3: you james, what you got for us this week I've got an indica, um, it is kush mints.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: So you know a mixture of, you know one of the several mint strains and then, uh, I think it was bubba kush.
• 6:26
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, kush mints, a really good hybrid, I mean a really good cross strain full indica and uh, it definitely, which is hard to find nice, all right, well, I feel like I find a lot of hybrids now, a lot of hybrids, oh yeah everything's a hybrid
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  Speaker 1: now.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this, uh, this next one.
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: Well then, let's load them up, take them down.
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: This first shot is going out to our newest listeners in acre northern district.
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing that's like a place from uh hunger games or something wait, did you say a c?
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  Speaker 2: e r or a c?
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  Speaker 2: R?
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  Speaker 2: E?
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  Speaker 2: A c r e acre, which is in syria?
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  Speaker 1: oh, well, there you go.
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I wouldn't, uh wouldn't have uh guessed that, and I obviously didn't.
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: So here's to them cheers oh, oh, no, sorry, apparently it's in Israel.
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: I thought it was Syria, but it's in.
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: Israel All right.
• 7:26
  Speaker 1: Well actually we're going to change that.
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: First, Coach, this one's going out to Vernon, Connecticut.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not mad at our listener from Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for listening.
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  Speaker 2: You probably agree with us on a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for listening.
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  Speaker 2: You probably agree with us on a lot of stuff.
• 7:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you found us.
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  Speaker 3: Cheers to new listeners Cheers.
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not used to that, it's.
• 7:56
  Speaker 3: Oh, Lucas coughing hard, oh, I know.
• 8:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to the the the ace pinchura always gets me good.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: There's uh, it's weird, it's like I mean I don't know what it says about me that a 93 proof liquor tastes like water, um, but like I'm waiting for the bite of it and it never comes, and that makes me like kind of like ugh.
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  Speaker 3: Why did that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand that chase.
• 8:25
  Speaker 3: Cause I want my booze to not taste bad, so like don't you not want the bite?
• 8:31
  Speaker 3: Isn't that awesome?
• 8:32
  Speaker 3: That's like you trained, you pushed yourself through hell to now be able to have a 93 proof and just be like wow, that's nice.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: Well, to now be able to have a 93 proof and just be like, wow, that's nice.
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: Well, now I'm like it's missing something.
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: It's flavor, it's the lack of alcoholism that you're missing.
• 8:50
  Speaker 1: Very bizarre.
• 8:52
  Speaker 3: Very bizarre.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: All right, well, this final one.
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: No, this is the second one.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so confused by the title.
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: This one is going to go out to our film this week Sinners Cheers Sir Ryan Coogler.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Okay that one had a little more sting to it, but it's like missing flavor to me.
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: I like that you're looking at directors now, Luke.
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: I am.
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  Speaker 3: I also look up facts about them and look at their past films.
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  Speaker 3: Nice yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Not necessarily.
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: I don't always do it before I watch the movie, but I always do it after I've watched the movie and I'm like just to get an idea of maybe, like, especially if I'm not understanding a story.
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: And I'm like just to get an idea of maybe, like, especially if I'm, if I'm, not understanding a story and I'm like what the fuck was that?
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: Like I'm like, well, let me go see what, like, what director it is to see if, like, how, what story they were trying to tell me.
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Ryan Coogler Good director.
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Very good.
• 9:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he does a very good job of representing African-American culture in the US.
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: I think he does it.
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  Speaker 3: He did it in the Black Panther movies.
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  Speaker 3: I thought that was really cool, which is obviously like a marvel not necessarily like African-American culture, but African culture.
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  Speaker 2: He did Creed.
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  Speaker 3: He did Fruit.
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  Speaker 3: Very rare revive of franchise is good and he did it, which is an impressive thing to do here's to reviving those franchises, putting out some good movies and giving us some shit to talk about here's to Creed here's to Ryan Coogler.
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: I don't care so much about whether a thing is a, you know, franchise or not, I just want a good movie.
• 10:50
  Speaker 3: You know, I really just want to watch a good movie well, and I think the reason why, like, I don't mind a franchise reborn honestly I'd love it because there's so many franchises I love and I'm someone is like give me more content, but I feel like it's hard to do they just we saw it a lot this year where these some of these franchises just lean on the nostalgia of the franchise um, a little too much and I'm like, okay, cool, like be your own and you know, uh, yeah, I'll go on a long tangent about this, but the jackie chan films had me like really feel, like I feel like the jayden smith jackie chan actually a pretty solid movie.
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: I thought like it was like basically similar storyline but like still entertaining to watch, while, as the, the most recent one was more just a hey, we, we know you guys like the karate kid.
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: Here they are like okay cool, yeah, not as good.
• 11:41
  Speaker 3: Hard to hard to do those reborn, so to have, uh, a tip of the angler's cap to ryan coogler himself well, speaking of the kugelmeister, uh, let's talk about his film sinners.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: Um, there's his new name.
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  Speaker 1: You heard it here first um so uh, who made?
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: Him german.
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: Yep, I mean, that's why he's so critical of, uh fucking, just you know, the united states.
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: In general, he's obviously very german obviously obviously, what the fuck?
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: all right, so let's talk about this movie.
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  Speaker 1: So part one it's time to dive in.
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: It's time to break this thing down in our patented method here.
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  Speaker 1: That is going to get you the score of this film, and you can eventually see that on our letterbox, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: So go ahead and jump over there.
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  Speaker 2: All right, yeah, we're supposed to be doing that Letterbox, letterbox so
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: james, you want to go ahead and you want to go ahead and kick this one off?
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: me.
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, kick this one off, uh.
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: So I guess I should start out by saying I really liked sinners.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a good movie.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: Um, it was.
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: This is like a movie.
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: Not all movies are like this.
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think 28 years later, that we reviewed last week was a movie that benefited greatly from being seen in an audience.
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: But sinners I don't know about you guys's theaters, but my theater was lively.
• 13:14
  Speaker 2: Uh, like everybody was loving this movie and they were getting into it and god that is such an enjoyable experience.
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 13:23
  Speaker 3: That is something I love about the movie, so so much.
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: That's really cool to hear.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah there are a bunch of people go, oh you know, and and uh, and there was a scene, there was the, the first scene where, um, where the vampires are outside and uh, and then they like answer the door and and uh, just some lady in the back was like oh no, and everybody just burst out laughing it was like a great time at the theater with this movie.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: I really loved it.
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: Uh, so that's, that's just one thing before we get to anything else.
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: Um, I thought the acting was fantastic.
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: I saw a bunch of familiar faces.
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  Speaker 2: I think that there were a few standouts.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: Obviously, michael B Jordan did an excellent job with a really tough thing, which was playing a dual role.
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: And it wasn't just a dual role it was twins who were on screen together frequently can be like yeah, that can be very difficult and we've seen it fail in past movies where it's like, oh yeah, not that good, these are not too, but I feel like he really portrayed two different characters very well.
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: It was really really exactly yeah, he gave them like he was able to portray each of their personalities and how they were different.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: And by the end of the movie I was like, oh, those are two different people.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, no shit, it's michael b jordan.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: You know I, you're right, like by the end of it.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: I had complete obviously.
• 14:47
  Speaker 3: Right away you're like oh, michael b jordan, michael b jordan, but then I agree by the end of it.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: You really completely forget about that yeah, and then I had to remind myself like, damn, he did a really good job.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: Uh, so obviously a standout, and I thought uh wouldn't be Masako who played um Annie.
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: She was also in, uh, a bunch of other stuff I've seen, like Lovecraft country, which I liked, yeah, um, she was in Loki.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: She was one of the she chick and loki.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Um, she was a voice on scavenger's reign, which I think is one of the best animated sci-fi things to come out in like a decade.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, she's been in tons of really good stuff.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: Um, I think she did a great job as a voodoo woman who, like the, the, the wise there's someone in every one of these vampire movies, like in blade.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: It was the old, the old guy with the long hair.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Whistler, yeah, whistler, yeah, vampires like this yep, and she came along.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Arguably she was better than whistler.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she's better than whistler by far, uh, but she did a great job in this movie and she did a great job being like uh, and she did a great job being empathetic.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: We could empathize with her.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: It's very relatable.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Anyway, like I said, tons of great standout acting in this movie.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I loved it.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: So the acting on this I think I'm going to give a 4.5, just because some of the background was not as good Background acting, but there were some standouts and it really pushed it up.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: Uh, cinematography I I saw this in imax because it was advertised as the first film of the year filmed for imax, and so I was like all right, I gotta go see this in an imax theater and it was awesome.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know what your guys's experiences were like, but like the cinematography was fucking dope, incredible.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: It really incredible, yeah, and they did that.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: They did a thing that I love, where at I'm pretty sure I I made an, I made a note, but as long after the fact I haven't, I didn't go back to the theater to watch it again.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: In your theaters did they do an aspect change at the beginning, like it was small, a smaller screen, and then they like widened the screen yes, okay.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: So I actually wound up, um, I bought the film while it was still in theaters for home.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they did do that there, but I was able to buy the like the extended uncut edition, because, like I could, either I could rent it for 20 bucks or I could buy it for 25 and I'm like I hope I like this movie.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: I'm paying extra five dollars and I really did, so it worked out really good yeah yeah, and I thought.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I thought that was an excellent portion of the cinematography.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: It's something that I praised.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Another like a what I would consider a five out of five galaxy quest, galaxy quest like did that thing where it expands the screen.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Once he, once he like sees space, like it, it opens up the screen and it like, blows his mind.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: It's like you're, it's like you've, your consciousness is expanded and that, and it's like in this, in this one they didn't use it bullshitty, it was like no, the world expanded.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: You know, once you learn more about these people, the world and the story expands and you see more and um, I think.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I think that's great cinematography.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: I can't find anything to fault with this cinematography.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I might give it a five um for the score and soundtrack.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: I thought.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I mean obviously it's been getting a lot of praise for the score and soundtrack being in the IMAX theater, tons of other people getting into it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: That soundtrack fucking ruled.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: People were having a great time.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: People were loving it.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: That one, I feel like I'm going to give it a five.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: It was innovative.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: In the sense of that scene where it's like going from past to future, to present, and like I was, I was like breathtaking in that moment, like I was like whoa, like really, really cool.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: And on cinematography, like both sides of that, that whole scene, we're just like wow, this is like artistry in front of us right now.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Like I was very impressed with that, like yeah, and it was like a one, like a lot of it was one.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know if the whole thing was a one, but they had like the rotating camera and so they had to people have people like dipping in and out of frame and stuff.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I think I think it was cut several times.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't see it again, I didn't, I didn't make a note of it, but thinking back on it, I think it was cut, um, but still very cool.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Uh, the, the music was like really overwhelming in the theater.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: It really like shook you, you know, um.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: I think that also the fact that it told a story, you know, part of the story of this movie was like black culture and and other minority, like they had the, the, the couple who were of chinese descent, and it had, you know, their, you know a representation of their history I appreciate it just on that.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: On that point, I mean this may be a golden path portion, but I loved that they decided that the vampire should be irish.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Um, and like historically, those two groups were pitted against each other in that time frame in the united states.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Um, right, and I love that.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: They still paid a lot of respect to the vampire's culture.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: When he stopped bullshitting and he was just being himself, that entire musical piece of his was almost ethereal.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and I also love that it told a little bit of a story because, also, when you think about it from modern eyes, the movie we're still watching in modern times, the soundtrack, had a lot to tell us about the modern times.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: It, the soundtrack, had a lot to tell us about the past, but it also had a lot to tell us about the present story as well, and one thing the music did for the story is so let's talk about, you know, remix irish.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe this is a golden path thing, but I don't want to lose it.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I think we're didn't want to lose it all right.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: You have to say, though, they told a story with the music.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: The fact that Irish music was still there, it didn't have to be recalled upon.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: He was still there and he was still sharing it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: But they had to call up the past.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: The white past has been unbroken in this country, but other cultures' pasts have been broken, and then they have to mash together and band together to stand up to the same kind of present nature of music for white history.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: You know, um.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: So I thought that the music was great five uh story and plot.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Um, I thought that the plot was good.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: I the plot wasn't the star of the movie, that all the other stuff was the star of the movie.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: They smashed it out of the park and everything.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: There were some parts of the plot that were really predictable, yeah, and I didn't feel particularly overwhelmed by the plot.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I did like the way they portrayed vampires.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I did like this idea of a hive mind uh, that they do the vampires, not always the type of vampire you see um, yeah, almost not like bloodthirsty.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: They felt patient and like like, yeah, uh, evil, like evil, like truly, just kind of like like just throwing a party outside of their party just waiting for them to be like cool, we can pick them off when they get out here, but until then we can't go in.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: We know the rules can't go in, gotta be invited, but uh, yeah, like thing that drove me crazy about it was like this dude was clearly old.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no fucking way he'd forget what time it was.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was ready to die, but he he gave no indication of that being the case.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I bet they had to cut it because it's not his story, remember, but then it's not really his story.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'll go into this more when it's my turn.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So I my, I, you and I seem to be on the exact same track here it's yeah, like five, five, five five, and let's talk about that plot for a second uh, yeah, I.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And the thing about it is I still enjoyed it, you know, I still enjoyed it and I still had a good time with it, so I can't knock it too hard.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I'd give it like, uh, 3.5, uh, for re-watchability um, I.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: So here's where I'm actually going to say.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Something that might be controversial is that I'm going to re-watch this movie, but I'm not that excited about re-watching it because it's not going to be in a theater, in imax, with a crowd of people who are like electrified by the hype that this has been getting and like the experience of seeing it for the first time.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it'll capture as much again, and so my re-watch ability actually kind of goes down because I don't have that kind of home theater system for the experience.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: So, 3.5 I'll.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: I will see this movie again, but it's not like I'm not dying to, you know I.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I remember the first experience and I thought it was dope, you know and I agree that sometimes it pulls away when you watch at home.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: But that's also kind of a test testament to the movie.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: How is it when you watch it at home?
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: But it's also kind of a testament to the movie.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: How is it when you watch it at home?
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Is it still as enjoyable?
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Does it capture you?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Because you know if the story does pull away too much, it might not as much.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: So I've only seen it at home, so that might be difficult for me.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Maybe that should be our rule that I got to see these things in theaters, so I wound up watching this.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it's not feasible.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I wound up watching this thing because my girlfriend was crazy about it and she said I need you to see this movie so we can talk about it.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: And so I thought, yeah, okay, and I bought it for $25 fucking dollars, but I was happy, I did, I was happy I did.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll dive into my scores then.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's hear them.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: All right, so acting I there were a few.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: There were a few people in this movie that really took it away from me at all, and I also wanted to give a shout out to Delroy Lindo, yeah as the old timer.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I loved him just because he had mannerisms and he would do things and say I've met that guy yeah he was Delta Slim, by the way, was his character.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I've met that guy and he just he killed it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: He killed it.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I um, just even in the moment where, um they walk in on, uh, michael b jordan having sex, well, that he was being turned into a vampire, but he thought it was sex, yeah, and he's like, oh, he's a little busy right now, isn't he?
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Every time he was on scene, I loved him, do you?
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: remember him chasing down Nicolas Cage in Gone in 60 Seconds.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I do yeah.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: He's a good actor.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Gone in 60 Seconds is a guilty pleasure of mine.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: I like Gone in 60 Seconds.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, I love Gone in 60 Seconds.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: It's so bad but it's so good.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: So my first encounter with him was in romeo must die oh, the jet lee movie, where he was like the up-and-coming boss, um, who was taking on the white man boss, you know, and um, I loved him in that.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I've I have liked him since the first time I saw him in the year 2000.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Um, so I was happy to see him again.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: But, uh, uh, so, yeah, acting, I'm going to give it a 4.5.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give it a 4.5.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Not everyone there was on their a game, but they were really, really trying.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, so I'll give it a 4.5, uh, cinematography, um, yeah, so I'll give it a 4.5.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Cinematography, yeah, I thought, I thought this was really something special, especially in the musical scenes.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: That, the way they did a lot of this, I thought was fantastic.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of times like the movie forgets that visuals and sound like like this one, integrated sound into the movie in a way that most don't sound, was part of the movie.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: It was a, it was, it was.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It was part of the story, it was part of the cinematography, it was part of everything which I thought was fantastic, and so and I'll get into this even more when I get to the story and plot the only time the cinematography lost it for me was when, in my opinion, this movie forgot what it was and um, it turned and then like they're like oh, we have to wrap up this fucking vampire plot.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: So like when the vampires burst into the place itself, all of a sudden it's not as dynamic anymore.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Um, when, uh, michael b jordan is fighting michael b jordan upstairs, all of a sudden it's like it's very plain and and uh it, it lost a lot of that for me.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Are you saying it had like?
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember because I saw this a while ago.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Was it like um, was it like jason bourne style fighting?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: So that was jason bourne.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Quick, quick cuts a lot of, so a lot of quick cuts, um, all of a sudden, um the the juke itself wasn't as dynamic, right?
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Um?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: So, and I'll jump to story and plot here, because my cinematography issue and my story plot issue was that at one point, this movie is trying to pay an homage to From Dusk Till Dawn.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Well, it kind of.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: So.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's because of the surprise, right?
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: A lot of people didn't know what this movie was about when they went to see it.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Which is all well and good, and I'm going to piss a lot of people off with this statement From Dusk Till Dawn, fucking sucked.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: You're not pissing me off, I still I like.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I sometimes like movies that sup, because they have something redeeming about them yeah, but when you're, when you're on the fucking precipice of a goddamn masterpiece a masterpiece maybe don't borrow from some piece of shit, from the foot guy, um, uh and and so like, and so that's when I was finally pulled out of it of the magic of this film, when they're like all right, we still have to wrap up this vampire plot, um, we're going to just suck in the cinematography, into into a, a juke that was once dynamic and magical and now it's just a setting for people easily stabbing vampires in the chest.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, there's.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: There was a weird, weird vampire fighting.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: See, I do remember that, which is absolutely nonsense.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know if any of our listeners had tried to stake someone in the chest or just stab fucking hard.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Stab someone in the chest.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: There's a bunch of ribs there yeah, it doesn't work like that, and it drove me crazy where, just all of a sudden, they're like oh yeah, and like our whole chest is designed to protect our organs in there yeah, and, and they just made it look fucking easy, like as soon as you learn that you could stake a vampire, and this isn't fucking buffy, all right um, it was very buffy it was very buffy or blade yeah, or blade, and I would have some very, very stern commentary on blade as well.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: So well, yeah, it's a bad movie.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: I love it, yes, yeah you could like a movie and still be like that was trash um, but uh, and so that's where I sort of lost it for me.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: So, just going back to the top there then, uh, cinematography I give it a four.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Um, story and plot I'm going to give it a three.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: The score I'm going to give it a five.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Just incredible.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: And rewatchability I'm going to give it a 4.5.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I've already watched it three times, so I'm sure.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I'll wind up watching it again.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I got to buy this movie.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Guys Got to buy it, Got to buy it.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm sure I'll watch it again.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, definitely 4.5 I think that's pretty fair.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: I honestly, um, it had been a while since I I've seen this one.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I think I saw it on opening weekend.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, yeah you and I you and I are both like we're gonna go see sinners this weekend and ryan's like oh, maybe, uh.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: And I have to say um, as not our favorite.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: You know, horror not being my favorite genre, um, I really really like this movie.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: I'm always a fan of horror that is very well told, like good storytelling, and because I'm not, you know, if I'm if I'm not a big fan of jump scares and stuff, I at least want to have to be, you know, entertained by a good story.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: Horror for the sake of horror is never going to be something I enjoy, because that's not what I like to um to watch.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: So, um, I thought this movie was really good, um, and I thought the acting was very solid and I think that there were care side characters even that drew me into the movie.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: There were definitely a little bit of takeaways, but not like it was almost moments for certain actors, but they also had redeeming moments throughout the movie.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: So, acting, I give a 4.5.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: When they gave special moments to characters.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: That took me way out of it.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Now that you bring up the special moments where they're like all right, is my dying scene?
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: yeah, and then throw themselves into the vampire it just like and yeah, so sometimes even I feel like it wasn't necessarily uh, their fault, like potentially just like, like not like good story points because, like I remember a specific scene with hayley steinfeld where it like thrown forward, she's like I'll go talk to him, I'm a white person too, what Like I just like that just seemed a bit absurd and just thrown forward and it was a moment that it took away from me for her.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: But I'd give it a 4.5.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I still think it was very solid.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Cinematography was a standout for me.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed it.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I do think that I I don't like the fact that like the and how it ended.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I agree, just like the chaotic fight where it was like real easy to kill vampires kind of just wasn't my favorite uh ending to that story, but, um, I also like didn't hate that part of the story, but I do think that it could you could call it a bit boring.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I gave cinematography a five.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I thought it was really fun to watch.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I thought it was an integral part of the movie and really well thought out and choreographed.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Um, the uh score and soundtrack is just a standout.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: It's pretty easy to give that a five.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I think that it was very intentional.
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: Um, I think that, uh, it was an integral part of the movie, like you said, james, it was.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: You know, it was literally kind of written into the story and I think that it was really cool.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I everybody loves music.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: I'm a big music uh person and I think it was uh phenomenal.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I thought it was.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: You know it's funny.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Not everyone loves music.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Some people might skip this movie cause they're like nah, I don't really like music?
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly Like.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: For sure I'm psychopath.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Some people just don't connect with music.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I love the blues too.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: So that you know, it was just enjoyable for me in general.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I thought that, like it was, I love that that um the soul of of blues and his voice um the what's his, what's the actor's name?
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the guy who played same old old sammy or young sammy, old old sammy, not miles.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he's like, I think the guy who played old sammy buddy guy, I'm pretty sure he's like that's like old, old sammy, though right, yeah, he, yeah, he's old, old sammy, and who played young sammy?
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Young sammy was miles cat caton caton might be really man the picture he just looks like a little kid.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: It's crazy.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Like it doesn't even look like, yeah, um for like just to cast on on imdb.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: But, um, yeah, I thought um, he was, he was, his voice was really really good and I really enjoyed it.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Um, so, yeah, five for that.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Uh, story plot, I agree is where it took away a little bit.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: There were points where it was thrown forward.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I do agree that the kind of the vampires like it did, like I didn't love the ending to their story.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I honestly would have just liked the slaughter because I thought it'd be cool if they like ended up tricking their way in or like a war outside, or they just wait him out to the sun and then it's like a lingering like oh, we'll be back, like that.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Could you know something like?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: that I would have liked if the white vampires consumed and all of the black people.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: No, but yeah, I really do think that they could have been, could have been a little better, but it didn't take away from the movie too much for me.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: So I gave that a four and then I would probably give this one like a 3.5.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: 100, watching it at least one more time.
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: Um, because it's it's coming to streaming, but I don't know if I would watch this over and over again.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I think it's a movie that, like once you've seen the plot, like seen the ending to it, you're kind of like okay, cool, like don't get me wrong, some people might watch it over and over again.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I could see other people like that, but horror's not my genre and typically is never going to get a super high rewatchability.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: So I'll give it a 3.5.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: And that's going to be a pretty solid score.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a good score coming here.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I could rewatch clips of this movie.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: I bet I would rewatch clips of it.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: There's another movie, clips of it there's.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: There's another movie I don't know if you guys have heard of valerian and the world of a thousand cities or whatever.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Uh, it was not a good, not a good movie.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: I can't watch that whole movie but I can watch the intro scene with, like them meeting aliens and like having this goodwill like between species going forward through like ages and ages.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I could watch that scene like that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I have watched that scene like probably like 50 times.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I can see myself watching scenes from this movie.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a hundred percent.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: I think that there's especially, like, like you know, in the middle, in the, in the meat of it, I feel like there's some really just like drags you in, like you're, you're really taken away by by the movie.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: But that gives it an official high and dry score of 4.5 out of five.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I think that's the highest rated movie.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: That's the highest rated movie on high and dry.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: And I thought I honestly thought it was going to get something around that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I, I really did think it was.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I gave it, when I gave it, my personal score, it ended up with a 4.5 out of 5 and I doubted that you guys would have not.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: At least like, like I said, I thought the cinematography acting and score were like something that is hard to really really take away from.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, we need to.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: We need to review the first Total Recall with you, luke, so we can get one up here with a five, because bet you we have five on this board, all right.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Well, total Recall aside, obviously everyone's favorite film, let's dive into the second part of this.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: It is time to get onto the golden path.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I know I'm feeling it, but I'm ready to feel a little more.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Let's line them up.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: It's time for our final shot, final hit, Final toast of the night.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: This one goes to high and dries first, 4.5.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Cheers.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Cheers.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Way to go, sinners ryan kugelmeister, you did it again kugelmeister you crazy son of a bitch, it's all your german anti-american sentiment we've.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: we've subsumed him and turned and co-opted him for whiteness.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: You're now German, german whiteness.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Wait, hold on.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Kugler might actually be German.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Let's pull it up.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Hold on, let's have us a look here.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: You're on trial now, kugelmeister.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: We're going to have to cut this.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: There's nothing good can come of this.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I'll look it up all right, so we'll talk about it later.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: So let's dive into the second part.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: It's time to get on the golden path.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it is german son of a bitch.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: It's an americanized version.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: It's an americanized version of the surname Kugler K U G.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: L E.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: R I knew.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: I knew it sounded German.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I called that shit, I'm not cutting it, so all right.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: So we're on the golden path.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: For those of you who don't get the dune reference, that's what it is.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: So what are the deeper thoughts we have behind this film?
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Who'd like to kick it?
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: off, I think, luke, thoughts we have behind this film.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Who'd like to?
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: kick it off.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: I think luke should kick it off, because we went the other way last time.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I I had.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: First of all, I noticed the the same thing as you, ryan, with the irish, um kind of like irish sentiment versus the um african-american culture, like both migrants to the united states, um and the the battle between them that did kind of kind of happen.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: I completely agree.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: But I also noticed that they I don't know if you guys they filmed this in Louisiana and a big reason for that was that it was supposed to be on land and with heritage of Nate, of African-American people and stuff like that.
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: So I do think that the director was trying to very much um pull from that heritage and represent that culture throughout the movie and I think that he he did it very well.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Um, and then I also uh know that this was a movie that he it's supposed to represent his kind of like, the like curses and the old family curses and things like that, and it's supposed to like show how like monsters are attracted like good things.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: I think like it, it shows like if you're you know, if you like have a good like even though you have a good thing, and like it shows like if you're, you know if you like have a good like, even though you have a good thing and like it's it's pure, but it's like can attract monsters.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: I think like that's something that it does in its storytelling.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of like a you have to be protective of things that are valuable.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, and I and I really I feel like that.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: You know they create like it was immediately, like they first night opening night and already like pieces of shit trying to get in and fuck the entire place up.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: We see the value in this, and so the Ku Klux Klan is here to stop put an end to that.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Put an end to that.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: You know, I thought it was very interesting.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: You know the point you brought up about, um.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: You know the irish, the irish portion, and how they were historically pitted against each other.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: But in this movie, you know there's both sides of this conflict.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Believe in an amalgamation?
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: yes, because right and they did both sides, did both sides I mean not even amalgamation yeah, and not even to say sides.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's terrible to even consider groups of human beings sides.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Well, one was a demon, like that was a side.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: There's a clear side.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Well, obviously, but I'm saying in terms of the metaphor of those cultures being pitted against each other.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Sure, um, so like I that, but I still appreciate that they paid a lot of respect to this vampire's culture.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um, and that that told me a lot about where the mindset was of this film.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Um, they made him really interesting until he's this ancient vampire who forgets.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Told me a lot about where the mindset was of this film.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: They made him really interesting, until he's this ancient vampire who forgets that the sun comes up.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ yeah.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: I was so confused by that too.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: So here's a little thing that might you might like this explanation, but this is they didn't do a lot to point this out, but that he, you know this vampire is really, really after that, pure talent, like he mentioned it earlier, but it may be, so consuming to him to try to get this pure talent that he loses sight of other things.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Things did start to get desperate toward the end.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Like you said, there is a shift where the vampires start to seem more desperate and the people inside start to seem like superheroes, which is like fucking what?
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: But?
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: the vampires did seem more desperate.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: The desperation is warranted almost.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Dude, it's not, though.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: He's only got to wait 12 hours.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Sure, how far are you going to move sure, but how far are you gonna move?
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: He talked about this pure talent that like bridged the gap between the, the present and history and the world of you know, the spiritual world, and so think about the kind of desire you you have thought about, how vampires age over millennia, the kind of desire and possessiveness, and they can, but if they can lose sight of things, but if he aged this point, that means he's a vampire who was able to overcome it stumped.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Not everybody can always overcome all of their problems all the time you know, after a thousand years.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: I hope you have made a good effort he made a great effort.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Look how long he survived but.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: But then it also drives, drives me crazy.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: He's coming at, uh, um, michael b jordan with claws and shit like that.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: At the end, right there, it like dude, just fucking kill him, you're, you're more than capable, just do it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: He wants him too.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: So it's like, it seems like it seems like he doesn't actually want to kill anybody.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: He wants to convert them and that's the thing that I wanted to talk about.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I hate plot armor, sure.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah Well, that's why we were all rated the plot lower, you know, than everything else in this movie.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: But one thing that I found really interesting about the methods of amalgamation that they did.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: So you know, the, the, the, the group inside the bar, what was it called?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Again, luke, you said, uh, the group inside.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: No, the juke, that's what it's called oh, the juke yeah yeah, yeah.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: so the all the people inside the juke like their amalgamation was shared and voluntary, but the vampire slash white culture.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: In its amalgamation it was consumptive in a way that it required it to change in order to be acceptable in a non-cooperative, non-consenting way, and I think that that was a really powerful message that they wove into those concepts of amalgamation.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: It's almost like kind of a criticism of liberalism or the melting pot Everybody gets melted in, but it's melted into a pot.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: That's white culture, which I found very interesting.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you guys think.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Very good message layered in.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, did you guys pick that up, or is it just me?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Am I just?
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Well, so I saw that as well and I did, just just because of the very, very specific choice of making the vampire irish.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I did look it up, okay look up what he was trying, um, because I was on like, are you trying to say something here, like we've been saying?
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: And he was.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: He was trying to say that, oh, can I guess, please.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Well, so I'm sure there was part of it.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: That was, you know, the.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: You've already mentioned the classical pitting Irish people against each other.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Is it kind of here?
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Here's what I guess, because this is how I kind of interpret quickly.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Is it about, like, white people using irish people as a screen to protect themselves?
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: It is okay, I picked that up yeah, I did.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: I did as well, and that's why I had to look into it, because it was just such a perfect um selection of what he should be um.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's exactly what it was because every time someone talks about like the problems that black people went through and the problems that Hispanic people and they, yeah, they're like well, I'm Irish, the Irish.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I white people were treated just like this, and uh, I hear that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, One group was yes, you are.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I got.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: That's, I did pick that up.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Did you pick that up, luke, or is that something?
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I mean 100%?
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good, okay.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: So it seems like it really was able to transmit that message strong to a broad audience, because we have different backgrounds, you know, yeah, and that message is able to cross lines, so that's good, it's good to know.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, and, and that that message is able to cross lines, so that's good, it's good to hear.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I feel like the director was being very specific with it, like, like Ryan said, I feel like Ryan Coogler was like trying to kind of like throw it in your face.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like sure.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Not in a bad way, though, like not, yeah, not in a bad way either, like it was.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: It like is a pretty easy, clear message to uh, you know, to throw out there, but I do think it was like meant to be thrown in your face and meant to be okay, loud, cool.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that we were able to get so much out of this movie.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, ryan.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Sorry, well, my last point with uh, the Golden Path was you guys waited till the end of the credits, right?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: No, what happened at the?
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: end of the credits.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Where there's a post-credits scene Jordan Vampire and his girlfriend show up.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, at late in the future, old Okay yeah.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: And they retained a level of humanity.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, oh, yeah, yeah there's no problem with being a vampire.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Everyone should have been a vampire yeah, and just get to be immortal and awesome and then he even hugged him like it was no big fucking thing, yeah, and so why are we all vampires, right?
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Well, and so my thing was I don't know you're an old vampire, whatever do you forget?
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Well, because the, the master vampire died, right?
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: So was it because the master vampire died, or was there a message there saying, um, that it becomes very easy for you to feel that converting people to your side is the right thing to do?
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: I mean the thing, is.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: That's a great observation you said earlier, like hive mind, or James said earlier, hive mind, right, and it kind of reminds me of something we've seen in a lot of different animes where chimera ants if the queen dies, a lot of different animes where chimera ants if, like the queen dies, a lot of the worker ants like will part, like go, start trying to do their own shit, um, even if there is a king ant or whatever, like a lot of them will follow, but like um, and I think that maybe potentially that's why, like I think you said it like when the leader died like they're like, oh well, I do, I guess we don't have to be fucking crazy racist white people, like we can just be cool, immortal people, like this is fucking awesome, and so potentially broke off the hive mind, if you believe Remick.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: He says that everybody still gets to be themselves and gets to have their autonomy.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: He's like it's just better over here.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: It's not about autonomy.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: He's like it's just better over here, it's not about being me or anything, it's just better over here.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Um, I don't know, I don't know.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: They, they didn't make it clear that that joining that, joining the side of the white amalgamation is necessarily bad, you know?
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Uh, just that it happened yeah.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: So I mean, is it, was it a hive mind, can you believe?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: he give up?
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Did he give up hit part of himself to be a vampire?
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: we don't know or was it just?
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: It's very easy to attempt to bring other people to your side, um by force yeah, because when we see him again, um he uh, for the the time period where we see them in the future and everything like that, their, their styles and choices of how they're presenting themselves.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: I mean even his uh, his ring yeah um, it was all very stylized, very like I have a lot of autonomy, um, I, you know, you know there's no master vampire going like fucking do yourself up, dude, here's uh, here's, uh, here's three thousand dollars hit the nearest.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Uh, uh, you know.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Um so, but he did, but I think it was a representation of abandoning the past, you know, like he abandoned his culture in order to be subsumed into current culture, a culture that is, even though there are black influences, dominated by white people and the script, the, the filter that white people use to take black influences and make it more digestible to a primarily white audience.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, um, I don't know it.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: He didn't, he didn't try to convert sammy at the end exactly so I don't know.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I think that that message kind of fell flat at the end.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the end was trying to tell me yeah, but it was, it was compelling.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like we should all be vampires which I don't think was supposed to be his message.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean, that's why I didn't get a five.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: That's why I didn't get a five.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: That's why it's a 4.5.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why it's a 4.5.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel weird about post-credit scenes.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much I should consider them part of the movie, because they didn't make the movie.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Cutting Room Floor, you know.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't really feel like it was.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: I just thought it was a fun scene.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: I don't know why.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: That's what I felt.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: That's all.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: I took it as.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: There was no message.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: It didn't match the tone of the rest.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was entertaining, the same thing when all of a sudden it was a fucking Buffy film.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I changed my score.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: Two out of five we got the score.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: We can't argue about it anymore.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I'm obviously kidding.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: It's time to get to the final portion of this.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: It's our job to nitpick right it's our job to be like what do we get out of this movie and where?
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Where does it not do it?
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: uh, great movie though yeah, very good, should watch 100 you should watch four out of five, I mean 4.5.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: So um, our final portion.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Here.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: It's time to insert ourselves into the film.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: How would this movie change?
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: listen, I don't like that.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: I already know that you're laughing at me.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's fair well how would this movie benefit from three extra white men?
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: I you know the.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: The world is dying to know.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: Given, given the time, I would probably be one of the racists to that point can I?
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I loved that the, the klu klux klan piece of shit was killed with the chicago typewriter.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I loved it.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it, but yeah, go on.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I wouldn't be a racist, that was a joke.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Uh, I'd be one of the.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I'd be one of the music players who got changed for the family who took him in.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: Oh no, they were racist.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Hold on, all the white people in this movie were racist, all of them.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: I would be the least racist person played by Haley Steinfeld, who was.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I would fall in love with Michael.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: B.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: Jordan was, I would fall in love with Michael B Jordan.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: I would have a passionate affair with Michael B Jordan and be turned into a vampire.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: First Because I was like don't worry, guys, I'm white.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: I know how to handle this.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: This sounds like exactly something I'd do.
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: And then go get turned.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I'd be like, oh right, yeah, okay, yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: I'm here to.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I'm here to betray all of you.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, classic classic white guy.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: All right um luke, how about you?
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Um, I would like to think that it's.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: It's me in there, not me from the past, so, um I wouldn't be racist.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, no, it was.
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: It's an insertion of yourself as you are right now so, yeah, I would, um, I would probably be a vampire, let's you know I would be, but I would be like no, I would explain it better.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Be like no, it's just like dude, I'm dude, I love you.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: I wish I could come in right now, like I just want to party with you guys, but you don't have to kill anybody.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: It's this fucking dude.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: He's crazy.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: I can't stop following his orders.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: I just can't stop following his orders.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: So I just have to follow him around, and I don't usually kill anybody.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: So I just have to follow them around and I don't usually kill anybody.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Sorry that that happens.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: That's a side effect.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: That's a side effect, but you know it's.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: It's up to you guys Wait till the sun comes out or or join.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: It's kind of cool, you don't.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: You can be a good person out here, but you're just immortal.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: So and then you know, maybe, maybe the movie would change.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: We'd get a few more people to just join in.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: It would be like us smoking because I would have brought Ace.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Pinchura and we're just blowing their minds.
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: We're getting stoned as shit, and then they're obviously having their Irish.
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: We're just kind of like, oh, vibing out to the music.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: It's a good time for us, it's just a good time, laura, yeah.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: And then we actually just go off into the darkness before the sun comes out, because we're not morons.
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: And then, when they all die, we're just like, oh, we're freed.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: And then we also live life, just our normal lives.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah for me.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously a vampire, I would have signed up for that a long time ago.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you actually time traveled.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: You time traveled to before this movie.
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: You went back to like 1400s, ireland or whatever.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: And then you made Remick You're actually Remick's sire and you come into this movie as the most powerful vampire.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I'm just there, going like what an idiot.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: What the fuck is wrong with you.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: I knew that biting you was a bad idea.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: You know it felt a little weird when I did it.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: You know, you're the first dude.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I bit like that.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: It hasn't sat right with me the whole time.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Um and uh.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I'm like could you leave these fucking nice people alone?
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: What the hell is wrong with you?
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: jesus, why are you doing this?
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: and and then I'll explain.
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Like my brother in christ um, the sun will go down again.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have a car we can just come back.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: We can come back, man, it's okay, it's okay, um, and then I would just kill him because that was a mistake, obviously, um you kill him.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: You wouldn't even let him die from the sun coming up you wouldn't even let him die from the sun coming up like now.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: I've seen enough.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I, I, you know sometimes, sometimes, you make a bad one and so you kill him.
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: And then just look at michael b jordan.
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: Be like children, am I right?
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: this, like this desperate loser who, yeah, couldn't find community.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh, I'm like you guys have a good one.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Take it easy.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: And oh no.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I got a bunch of friends.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I had tons of friends Like.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: This guy was the only one who was like not a friend.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: I was like checking up on him because he's out here all alone all the time.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he went to fucking the rural south of the United States in the 30s.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: Um, he could have gone anywhere and yeah, so I I felt weird about him from the beginning.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: I'd like to apologize to you.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Uh, your lovely girlfriend, uh, your wife.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Uh, take it easy, I'm gonna go be a badass immortal and then I would use.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: You still have to worry about those kkk guys.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: I I saw actually, you know what you don't have to worry about those kkk guys.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: That one's on me um, and I would slaughter them, um, like fucking pin them in trees and shit like that.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: I would use that sweet ass jumping power that he only used at the end.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: For some reason, his power kept fluctuating based on the needs of the storyline and I would leap away into the darkness with my horde of I mean honestly, probably beautiful women, and off we went.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: That sounds like a pretty good movie.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: 4.5, yeah, roll credits 4.5.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, real credit, it's 4.5.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's it.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: That's a very elaborate story.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: You changed the entire movie.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: If he could end every story with him being a vampire with a harem of hot vampire women.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: That's how every movie would end every one of them, every one of them.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Uh fucking notebook twilight.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Uh, fucking spider's wife coming zookeeper's wife, zookeeper's wife hey man, I apologize, I'm a badass vampire.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: These are my lovely brides.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: We out.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: This movie was dumb this movie no 4.5 out of5 50 first dates yeah, all of them every movie we know.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know if luke knew, but I knew sounds like a pretty I mean good film, though yeah, it's solid film.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: Solid film it's like the fast and furious just make 10 of them, fuck it just load them up, let's do this.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Uh, even those films, though.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: I would appear at the end and be like yeah, hey, what's going on?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I'm a badass immortal.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: That's just the end of every movie it's the post-credits scene, just you talking about yourself how awesome you are.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still awesome, it's still still fucking awesome, still reminds fucking awesome it reminds me of?
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: have you guys seen paul rudd on conan o'brien like?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Like they do clips of it on the internet.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: They share it sometimes on reddit and stuff.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: But like paul rudd has been on conan o'brien like eight times and every time he comes on every time he comes on he plays a clip.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Uh, like he's like here's.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Here's a clip from my movie and what plays is a scene from the movie mac and me, which was a mcdonald's promotion, with a whistling alien like the weirdest alien ever, and it's like of a kid going careening down a hill in a wheelchair and then he goes flying off into this like canyon and then lands in in water and then an alien sits up and goes and uh, I would.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: That's like what ryan would do to every movie if he could yeah because, at the end it would be the same
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: clip of him with his vampire hair on.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is my vampire hair.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Everybody would be like, ooh, I wonder what the end of this movie is.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: At the end of every one he was able to, he'd just have that scene.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Avengers 2.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Fuck Ryan again, morbius.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Two fucking all of them.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Fuck ryan again, morbius.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: It's like the uh, it's like the nicole kidman intro to amc theaters.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: I was like god damn it, they got me, they fucking got me.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: How many films does this guy own?
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: oh shit all of them.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: It's all me, all me baby, all right, well, so hey, there you have it, folks, um solid film 4.5 uh one of the highest rated ones.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, give it a watch.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely fantastic top to bottom, um, except for when whistler from blade shows up.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: That was a little weird, uh, other than that incredible.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: So hey, uh, thank you sinners.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Thank you, michael b jordan.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Thank you, uh, german guy all right, googler german guy, oh no uh, here's to you.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: Um, thanks everyone for listening.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: This is high and dry.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: I'm your host, ryan barron north, with, as always, luke james croslin.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Bye.