Latest / The Play Therapy Circle / Episode 18- The Pandemic Ripple Effect. How CCPT Supports Children who are Beginning School
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- 0:07Hi and welcome to an episode of the Play Therapy Circle.
- 0:12I'm Kylie Ellison, a therapist, clinical supervisor and play
- 0:16therapy trainer, and I'm so grateful you're here.
- 0:20This podcast is a space for thoughtful, soulful
- 0:23conversations about child centred therapy, play based work
- 0:27and what it means to show up with presence and compassion,
- 0:31both for our clients and for ourselves.
- 0:34Whether you're a seasoned play therapist, a student just
- 0:37starting out, or someone deeply passionate about working with
- 0:41children, you belong here. Hey everyone, welcome back to
- 0:49the Play Therapy Circle podcast. I'm your host, Kylie Ellison,
- 0:53and I am so glad you are here. Welcome everyone to episode 18,
- 1:00you guys. For those of you who are
- 1:02watching on YouTube, yes, that is in fact a pink microphone.
- 1:07I got an upgrade, you guys got an upgrade.
- 1:09Our old microphone Rest in Peace had been around for about 7
- 1:15years. So it broke after the last
- 1:19podcast episode. Very sad.
- 1:21So of course on brand, I had to get a pink microphone for the
- 1:25next 1. So for those of you watching on
- 1:27YouTube, you'll be able to see it.
- 1:29For those of you listening on Spotify or Apple Podcasts, it's
- 1:33it's amazing. I'm very happy with it.
- 1:36I had matching headphones, but of course I couldn't like make
- 1:40it properly work today because me and IT don't usually mix.
- 1:44So I will try that for next time.
- 1:46But I hope all of you are well wherever I am connecting with
- 1:50you today. We are now in 26 countries.
- 1:55You guys, I am just beyond thrilled that we continue to
- 1:59reach more and more of our community.
- 2:01Across the globe, so. I am so genuinely grateful to
- 2:06everyone that is listening. I hope that you are finding it
- 2:08useful and helpful. That is absolutely always my
- 2:11intention and it's very much for us to connect in this space in
- 2:15the circle about Child Centre play therapy and why we love it
- 2:20so much. So I'm so grateful for all of
- 2:23that support and it has been so fun seeing the reach and more
- 2:27people checking us out. So thank you so much for
- 2:31listening. It really does mean a lot.
- 2:33I'm I'm starting this. Episode off today actually
- 2:36before I do that. Sorry, my neurodivergent brain
- 2:39wants to jump between topics. I want to check in with you all.
- 2:42So how are you doing? How's your week been?
- 2:45I'm actually recording this on Friday afternoon, you guys like
- 2:51I'm actually enjoying it that much that I want to do it like
- 2:54out of business hours like what is this?
- 2:56Well, actually, no, I have actually done this before out of
- 2:58business hours. That's a lie, but I'm actually
- 3:01doing it on a Friday afternoon when I could be chilling, but
- 3:05instead I have just been so keen to do this particular topic
- 3:11today. It's a little bit.
- 3:12Different to our normal content. So I just want to preface that
- 3:16I've got so many prefaces for this episode just to make sure I
- 3:21am doing all of the things and recognising all parts of this
- 3:24conversation. But the topic I want to talk
- 3:27about today has been something that has been ruminating for me
- 3:31for some time now and I just felt that call to share this
- 3:38information and start the conversation.
- 3:41So I definitely want to preface this episode by saying that I'm
- 3:46purely sharing general information only guys.
- 3:51So this is not a substitute for advice or counselling.
- 3:54So if you are in need of mental health support, as we give in
- 3:58our disclaimer at the beginning of every episode, please contact
- 4:01Lifeline on 13/11/14 or Kids Helpline ON18551800 in Australia
- 4:09or wherever relevant in your country.
- 4:11I also want to caveat this by saying that this topic that I'm
- 4:15going to talk about today is really about starting to
- 4:22highlight and validate for anyone working in the child
- 4:27centred play therapy space who is seeing an increase in
- 4:31children with anxiety and separation anxiety in the four
- 4:34to six year old age group. So I need to put another caveat
- 4:39to say that this episode in no way is intended to have any
- 4:47conversation other than talking about the research and talking
- 4:51about the mental health of children.
- 4:53So I know that there is many, many opinions on this topic, but
- 4:58I'm going to talk about the impact of the pandemic of
- 5:02COVID-19 on what we are seeing in current practise.
- 5:07So in the episode I've, I've put in the title 2025 because I
- 5:12think that this is very emerging research.
- 5:15There is a good body of research already out there talking about
- 5:19this topic, but I just couldn't give an exhaustive overview in
- 5:25this episode. I would be talking for days you
- 5:27guys, to cover all of the research material and outcomes.
- 5:32So this is. Very much intended to begin that
- 5:35conversation for those of you working in the play therapy
- 5:38space right now in the Child Centre play.
- 5:40Therapy space Who? Are seeing an increase in that
- 5:45population of children, 4 to 6 year olds with anxiety and
- 5:49separation anxiety. So how I want to tackle this is
- 5:53to talk about the data because that's really important.
- 5:56I want to talk a little bit very briefly guys, because there's
- 5:59just so much out there. I want to acknowledge I guess
- 6:02some of the more global literature recognising that we
- 6:04have a global play therapy circle community.
- 6:08I want to talk a little bit about how the neurobiology of
- 6:11what kids experienced during that time that has had an impact
- 6:17on what we are seeing now in current day in 2025, How child's
- 6:21any play therapy can help because that's absolutely
- 6:24essential and important as always to bring it back to CCPT
- 6:27and what we love so much. And I want to start the
- 6:30conversation about some of those strategies we can offer to
- 6:33parents. I really am keen for feedback
- 6:36guys after this podcast. If there is.
- 6:38Further topics you would like me to talk about, There is a whole
- 6:42population of kids who are now teenagers who were preteens
- 6:47during COVID. That is another body of research
- 6:50all on its own to look at. So that might be another topic I
- 6:53do down the line, but I want to talk about that 4 to 6 year old
- 6:56age group specifically. I'm going to make sure in the
- 6:59notes of this podcast that I will list the references that
- 7:02I'm going to talk about today so you guys can check them out for
- 7:05yourselves. And to make sure that I am
- 7:08following my practise guidelines as a registered counsellor as
- 7:11well. So this is a.
- 7:13Very interesting topic for me. It's been something that I have
- 7:17been presenting on at conferences for the last couple.
- 7:20Of years I've had the. Opportunity to present at a few,
- 7:23including the Early Childhood Australia conference last year.
- 7:28I think that was, yeah, I might have been last year.
- 7:31Because I have started. To dive into and read about and
- 7:36I'm certainly not an expert and this is certainly not exhaustive
- 7:39guys, there is so much out there.
- 7:41But just in the beginnings of reading through some of those
- 7:44research articles and the data and the statistics that are
- 7:47coming out of it, I think are important to share so that for
- 7:52you as child centre play therapist, you can begin that
- 7:54conversation with your clients and your families in that space
- 7:57and for them to be able to access this research and to talk
- 8:00further about it. So you best believe I have lots
- 8:04of notes to read off. So for those of you watching on
- 8:07YouTube, this is probably. Going to be a really boring.
- 8:10Episode in terms of watching me talk, because I'm going to be
- 8:14like referring to notes the whole time.
- 8:16I think that it's really important because I want to get
- 8:18this information right. I want to get that information
- 8:20out there in a way that's accurate in terms of reflecting
- 8:24what I have found so far. And I definitely encourage you
- 8:28guys to do your own research in this space.
- 8:30This is purely an introduction and really, as I said at the
- 8:33beginning, an intention around validation for our
- 8:37practitioners, but also our families.
- 8:40So please feel free to share this episode with parents as
- 8:42well or caregivers. Who are also.
- 8:45In this space and struggling as well.
- 8:48So I want to start off I unfortunately because I'm a
- 8:50little egocentric because I'm Australian, I'm going to start
- 8:53off with the Australian data guys.
- 8:54Sorry for those of you globally who are listening, I promise
- 8:57I'll get to you in a SEC. But I want to start off with
- 8:59what's happening in Australia right now.
- 9:02And I think one of many studies guys and data collection tools
- 9:07has been the Australian Early Developmental Census, Early
- 9:11Development Census, sorry, which is a large national measure of
- 9:15children development as they start school in Australia.
- 9:17So I want to talk about the 2024 AEDC, the Australian Early
- 9:22Development Census. So you can find that online as
- 9:25well. And with this particular census,
- 9:28they collected data from 288,483 children in 7368 schools via
- 9:3916,723 teachers. Yes, I read my notes, you guys,
- 9:45for somebody who usually bounces on topics.
- 9:48I'm being very disciplined today you guys.
- 9:50So over 94% of in scope children in those schools participated.
- 9:54So we've got a. Pretty.
- 9:55Large, I mean, it's not significant.
- 9:57But it's a it's. A large cohort, right?
- 9:59So what they looked at was 5 domains of what they are
- 10:05assessing when children start school.
- 10:07So they're assessing physical health and well being, social
- 10:10competence, emotional maturity, language and cognitive skills,
- 10:15communication skills and general language.
- 10:17So in 2024, the proportion of children who were on track when
- 10:23they started school in those five domains dropped from 54.8%
- 10:28in 2021 to 52.9% in 2024. So what we're seeing in our
- 10:35least disadvantaged areas was around 61% of kids were on
- 10:39track, but in our most disadvantaged areas about 41%
- 10:43were on track for starting school.
- 10:46So what we're seeing in terms of declines in that domain, where
- 10:50the biggest declines were, were in social competence and
- 10:54emotional maturity. I know for anyone listening who
- 10:57is a child centre practitioner in Australia right now, I know
- 11:01those statistics do not surprise you.
- 11:04How are the children in your practise in that 4 to 6 year old
- 11:08age group coping with social competencies and emotional
- 11:13maturity? My guess is not great, not
- 11:17great. So we're going to unpack some of
- 11:20the factors that have influenced that.
- 11:22But I wanted to start off this conversation with the data
- 11:25because that's really important that we have those facts behind
- 11:27us. Or at least the.
- 11:29Start guys. It's not.
- 11:30Exhaustive. It's not exhaustive.
- 11:31A meta analysis. Let's talk about our global
- 11:34friends across across the globe, across the 25 other countries
- 11:40around the world who listen to our podcast, those practitioners
- 11:43who are working and using play therapy in their clinics and
- 11:46spaces. So what we have found other meta
- 11:49analysis in more recent literature has identified
- 11:56elevated prevalence of anxiety symptoms and disorders in
- 11:59children and adolescents during the pandemic.
- 12:02Anxiety symptoms and disorders during COVID-19 pandemic in
- 12:06children and adolescents in 2023 report significant impacts
- 12:10globally. And I will quote the academic
- 12:13literature that I am referencing here today guys.
- 12:16So that will be in the notes of our podcast.
- 12:19So globally we are also seeing in meta analysis and increase in
- 12:24anxiety. The study that I'm, I'm talking
- 12:27about in particular for that global data found that the
- 12:31pandemic period, in the pandemic period, sorry, the prevalence of
- 12:35any anxiety symptoms was higher than pre pandemic estimates,
- 12:40though numbers vary by country. So what does this mean when we
- 12:45look at the data in relation to what we're seeing in the
- 12:48playroom or what we're seeing in those referrals and
- 12:51presentations of kids starting school?
- 12:54So kids are essentially from what we're reading, entering
- 12:58school with weaker readiness for school in those social and
- 13:03emotional competencies. We also have an increase in
- 13:07global anxiety, which in essence kind of gives this sort of
- 13:11perfect storm when we look at that entry of children into the
- 13:16school setting in relation to the mental.
- 13:19Health. So this is.
- 13:21Starting to, I guess, structure our conversation around why we
- 13:27might be seeing some of these issues now where we haven't
- 13:32necessarily seen seen the same statistics before.
- 13:34So I want to reference here, I guess in this next section,
- 13:37talking about in your clinics and in classrooms when we are
- 13:43hearing reports from parents and teachers and educators.
- 13:48As well as the children that we're working with in the
- 13:50playroom, what are we hearing, what are those presenting issues
- 13:53for that 4 to 6 year old age group?
- 13:56So the biggest 1, and I would say anecdotally for me,
- 13:59absolutely. So for you, those of you.
- 14:01Listening or watching, I'm not sure if this resonates for you,
- 14:05but separation anxiety guys, in that 4 to 6 year old age group,
- 14:09how many of you are working with kids who are struggling with
- 14:12separation anxiety or parents are reporting or schools are
- 14:15reporting? I've actually had supervisors
- 14:18tell me in recent months and again, I feel like the impact of
- 14:23the pandemic is certainly not consistent.
- 14:27So different states in Australia had different experiences,
- 14:30different countries around the world have had different
- 14:32experiences. So I don't want to generalise
- 14:34here. But when we're talking about
- 14:36some of those difficulties, what we're finding is things like
- 14:40kids not wanting to separate at school drop off.
- 14:43And I'm, I'm hearing that from my supervisors, but I've even
- 14:45heard stories of class, sorry, education settings.
- 14:51So schools, for example, primary schools here in Australia,
- 14:55having to have staff at reception to help with that
- 14:58transition for kids who are highly anxious separating from
- 15:02their parents at drop off and needing to help buffer that to
- 15:06help separate that child and transition them into the
- 15:09classroom setting. Like this is something that
- 15:12certainly I've been working in child protection and, and the
- 15:16community services support sector for the last 20 years.
- 15:19That's not something I have necessarily heard consistently
- 15:22in my career. So there seems to be an uptick
- 15:26in this at the moment and that impact is being felt across
- 15:30families and across schools. So difficulty with separating or
- 15:34dropping off, worrying something is going to happen to their
- 15:37parent. So struggling to be away for the
- 15:41whole day from school and needing to see them or needing
- 15:44to talk to them during the day, refusing to stay at school.
- 15:47So simply just not being able to cope and needing mum or dad or
- 15:51or carer to come and pick them up.
- 15:54Generalised anxiety guys as well.
- 15:57What are we seeing here? So worries around illness,
- 16:00what's going to happen, worrying about germs, having an unsettled
- 16:04routine, changes in peer relationships and certainly
- 16:09across this cohort, that hyper vigilance, hyper arousal state.
- 16:13Another big area that we're starting to see in terms of
- 16:17presenting issues is social and emotional delays.
- 16:20And again, I don't think that this is a surprise for anyone
- 16:24who is working in this space right now as a child centre play
- 16:27therapist in your community. So what does that look like when
- 16:30I say social and emotional delays, Trouble making friends,
- 16:35trouble sharing, navigating conflict, negotiating,
- 16:40regulating big feelings like anger or frustration, troubles
- 16:44with transitions? All of the above all.
- 16:47Of the above. So if you are seeing that for
- 16:50your child or for your client, you are not alone.
- 16:54And I know that I use that term a fair bit when I'm talking to
- 16:58our incredible Circle community in terms of play therapists.
- 17:01But I think that this is a message that needs to go beyond
- 17:04just us to those families and our communities to know that and
- 17:08validate that this is not just you.
- 17:12This is not in isolation that something like this is happening
- 17:15right now. And I want to start that
- 17:17conversation and normalise that conversation around talking
- 17:21about some of these struggles and stresses that families are
- 17:24experiencing. So we can lean into the data
- 17:28with this. We can lean into so many studies
- 17:29as well, guys. But we could lean into that AEDC
- 17:33census data that I mentioned at the start for our Australian
- 17:35cohorts where it does say that there is declines in those
- 17:40social competencies and emotional maturity, the data
- 17:43saying that. But we're also seeing that in
- 17:46the presentation of kids that school readiness and as I
- 17:51mentioned earlier, attendance issues.
- 17:53So showing fatigue, more reluctance to come or to stay,
- 17:59clinginess at the school door or clinging to their mum or dad or
- 18:04caregiver, like I said earlier, and struggling with that
- 18:07separation, needing longer times to transition into the
- 18:11classroom, struggling to settle. All of those things come under
- 18:15those presenting issues. So when we're looking at this
- 18:21globally, not just in Australia, but linking to that pandemic
- 18:25context, we acknowledge that for the kids that are four to six
- 18:30years old right now when they were born and during those first
- 18:34couple of years of life. I'm going to talk about the
- 18:36neuroscience in a SEC, but if we talk about it more in a context
- 18:39perspective that particular cohort when they were little.
- 18:43Had fewer preschool hours or may not have even attended kindy or
- 18:47daycare at all. They had less peer interactions,
- 18:51social interactions, and play play.
- 18:55You guys fewer. Extracurricular activities, that
- 18:58wasn't a thing as much during COVID as you guys know.
- 19:01And again, restrictions looked different across the globe, but
- 19:05certainly social distancing meant that a lot of that play
- 19:09based activities wasn't as accessible during that time.
- 19:13There was less of a regular routine because we were kind of
- 19:16responding to crisis as it kind of occurred, more parent
- 19:21mediated screen time and fewer transitions.
- 19:24So these are just some of the factors here, guys.
- 19:29And I'm going to talk about now that neuroscience, but I think
- 19:32it's really important to acknowledge that there was a
- 19:35missing time period for these kids when they were one and two.
- 19:39So zero to 1, one to two, two to three, where they were not able
- 19:45to engage with their peers in their community settings,
- 19:49sometimes even at parks or recreational facilities.
- 19:52They were restricted to their home environments often, which
- 19:56meant there was not as many peer opportunities for social
- 20:00connection. And so though some of those
- 20:04rituals, I'm going to talk about this a little bit more later,
- 20:06but some of those rituals that you would have as a beginning
- 20:09parent or for those children in that age group.
- 20:13I know for myself and I'm again talking to Brisbane and I'm
- 20:16talking to. I guess when when my kids born
- 20:192012 and 2013. So like a while ago, you guys,
- 20:24we would have things like, you know, play groups where you
- 20:28would meet. I remember I'm taking my kids to
- 20:32the child health, the local public kind of health system
- 20:36clinic where they offered free play groups.
- 20:38So you could go and mix with kids of a similar age.
- 20:42You would have activities at libraries and things run by the
- 20:46local council and activities in the park and all of those things
- 20:50that are offered to children during that time and for parents
- 20:53as well to help them connect and be able to, you know, just
- 20:57debrief with another parent in the trenches of, you know, that
- 21:01first and second and third year of life for kids.
- 21:04None of that was available around that time or it looked
- 21:07different in many senses. So it was online a lot of the
- 21:10time. So kids missed out on that
- 21:13opportunity for skills practise, for being able to emotionally
- 21:16regulate, navigate conflict with their peers, be able to engage
- 21:21in self help, be able to resolve conflict if it if it came up in
- 21:25terms of their relationships with others and their social
- 21:28connections, being able to process feelings.
- 21:31So that they could cope with their anxiety.
- 21:33Not a lot of those opportunities were around during that time.
- 21:37And so we're starting to see some of this context linked to
- 21:40the data. So I want to talk about why this
- 21:43particular cohort of kids. Is a little different.
- 21:47What I have started to say to parents and to supervisees is
- 21:51that we would be. Doing, and again, I'm carrying
- 21:55this by saying this is just my conjecture guys, and just my
- 21:57anecdotal experience waving all of the flags.
- 22:00Guys, true transparency here, but I think that it is doing
- 22:04somewhat of a disservice to this population to compare them to
- 22:09what we. Currently know around child
- 22:11development theory and those benchmarks for what children
- 22:14should be achieving. This is a different population
- 22:17and we need to recognise and honour and validate and
- 22:20acknowledge that. So what do I mean by that?
- 22:24Why are they different so? Let's look a little bit at the
- 22:27prenatal and infancy influences. So while the pandemic
- 22:33neurobiology data is still emerging, and I said this at the
- 22:36beginning, this is going to be a a pool of research that is going
- 22:42to constantly grow and evolve in the next 10/15/20 years.
- 22:46So I definitely encourage you guys to be keeping up to date
- 22:50with some of that research if you can, to understand what are
- 22:53the current implications for practise.
- 22:55But what we are seeing in the emerging data is that there is a
- 22:59growing evidence of exposure to prenatal stress or maternal
- 23:04anxiety during COVID relating somewhat to potentially impacts
- 23:10on how the. Child and the infant's brain
- 23:13grew and how it was changed. So some of the information that
- 23:18we're starting to see in the literature is examples like say
- 23:22smaller amygdala volumes. So that part of the brain that's
- 23:27important for emotional regulation being smaller than
- 23:32their same age peers in say a different timeline, so 5, five
- 23:37years prior. So we're starting to see higher
- 23:40negative affect and other I guess kind of byproducts of some
- 23:46of that exposure. I often share as well with
- 23:50parents when we are considering some of that in utero exposure
- 23:55to anxiety and stress and what that means for bubs when they
- 23:59are born, for when babies are born that sometimes they are
- 24:02born slightly elevated in terms of that stress and anxiety
- 24:06symptomology themselves. So they are more dysregulated.
- 24:10Cry more, more difficult to settle all of those.
- 24:13Those things and so I won't go into that in too much detail,
- 24:16but I, I want to emphasise here that we need to start the
- 24:21conversation about acknowledging that this was an incredibly
- 24:25stressful time for parents. I just don't want to share and
- 24:29talk about this topic without very impact empathically
- 24:34acknowledging. That this was a really tough
- 24:37time for everyone. So this is definitely not a
- 24:42conversation around looking at causes, but we're looking at
- 24:46those contributing factors and we were all doing the best we.
- 24:50Could. At that point of time with the
- 24:52information that we had. So we are having that
- 24:56retrospective kind of analysis now and we're starting to see
- 24:59some of the data emerge. So I just want to give so much
- 25:03grace and love to all of those parents who were pregnant during
- 25:06that time. I couldn't even imagine what
- 25:08that would have been like in terms of some of those
- 25:10restrictions. I believe, or I understand for
- 25:13some parents there was restrictions in the hospitals in
- 25:18terms of who could be there and who could be present, what those
- 25:23medical appointments leading up to the birth look like.
- 25:25So many different impacts there guys of what they went through,
- 25:31parents who had had a baby during that time.
- 25:35So what are we? Looking at when we're talking
- 25:37about the early brain development.
- 25:39Of this cohort. Between zero to three years of
- 25:42age, so that 2020 to 2022 timeline for those kids born
- 25:47during that time, we know that the brain is highly experienced
- 25:51dependent. That's what the research tells
- 25:53us. So it's dependent on that
- 25:55relational input, those experiences of connections and
- 25:58interactions with others. The brain depends on that Co
- 26:02regulation because when babies are born, they're born to
- 26:08connect with and attune with their primary caregiver for
- 26:12survival. It's part of their growth and
- 26:14development when they're little until they have some of that
- 26:17independence themselves and that maturation.
- 26:20So they look for Co regulation from their parents.
- 26:23So if parents were struggling and stress during that time,
- 26:26that would have been really difficult to do.
- 26:28So again, showing so much grace and compatibility.
- 26:31Passion for parents during that time, because that would have
- 26:33been really hard, that would have been really difficult.
- 26:35But they're also dependent on those peer and play experiences.
- 26:40They matter for those development of those connections
- 26:43in the brain in those early years.
- 26:46So when that typical practise around say daycare, kindy
- 26:51playgroup, library time, whatever that looked like free
- 26:55peer play in the playground at the local park, when that's
- 26:59disrupted, they may miss some of those opportunities to establish
- 27:04those those guidelines and I guess kind of pathways to help
- 27:09the child to be able to establish those skills.
- 27:12So definitely in terms of social input, if we kind of build on
- 27:17this a little bit more to talk about that regulation practise.
- 27:21Kids learn self regulation, emotional recognition, and peer
- 27:26interaction primarily through in person play.
- 27:29That's what we know from the literature.
- 27:32So again, if we think of the context of that time, often that
- 27:36wasn't an option for some of our kids in our communities.
- 27:39And again, it's going to differ globally for those of you
- 27:42listening across the globe. But obviously then those
- 27:46experiences of peer negotiations, repeated
- 27:48separations and reunions through drop off and pick up from
- 27:52playgroup or daycare or whatever that looked like that was
- 27:56restricted. Those experiences or
- 27:58opportunities to have that experience were restricted
- 28:01during that time. So again, we look to the data
- 28:05and to that census that I referenced earlier in Australia
- 28:09that talks about social competency and emotional
- 28:12maturity as showing the largest declines which suggest those
- 28:16exact functions as being impacted.
- 28:18That's what the research and that particular census tells us.
- 28:22So further expanding on this about what makes this cohort
- 28:27different is those developmental milestone lags.
- 28:30This is some of the research is starting to show us those lags
- 28:35being present. So if you are a parent listening
- 28:37and you are seeing that in your particular child who meets that
- 28:41cohort age group. You're not alone.
- 28:46You're not alone. So children who were between
- 28:501:00 and 3:00 or in those first couple of years of life during
- 28:52the pandemic when play dates, daycare, group care, after
- 28:58school, before school care, all of those things.
- 29:00So not so much the school care, but definitely the daycare and
- 29:04kindies and play groups and preschools.
- 29:06Where those routines were altered.
- 29:08They may not have had as many opportunities to practise
- 29:11independence, peer conflict, shared attention and social and
- 29:15emotional regulation. This is what?
- 29:17Our data is showing us, so the result is at an age of four to
- 29:21six, they might be arriving at school needing to catch up.
- 29:25They are showing us through their behaviour, through their
- 29:28emotional expression, sometimes through their verbal
- 29:30communication as well, and certainly in the playroom that
- 29:34they are behind in terms of having some of those skills
- 29:37around emotional regulation, navigating peer conflicts,
- 29:40navigating big feelings themselves and how to express
- 29:43them appropriately. All of those things they are
- 29:46potentially behind in. So we're seeing this lag when
- 29:51this cohort of four to six year olds start the school year and
- 29:55start the school term. So I realised in all of this
- 29:58conversation around schooling, I forgot to caveat in terms of
- 30:02Australia. So, and again, I'm talking to
- 30:04Queensland in Australia because everywhere is different, right?
- 30:08Depending on your country and your location.
- 30:10So for Queensland it's roughly 4 1/2 year olds to six year olds
- 30:17that will start the school year at that particular age.
- 30:22So we are seeing those four to six year olds starting to
- 30:26transition into school this year and next year.
- 30:29So our school year starts the end of January, beginning of
- 30:32February here in Australia. So we are seeing that this year
- 30:36and we will absolutely see more of that presentation next year,
- 30:40the beginning of next year. So why is the neurobiology
- 30:45important here and why does it matter?
- 30:46So when children are repeatedly in states of hyper vigilance,
- 30:51hyper arousal, which we know often comes connection with
- 30:57feelings of anxiety, which may have been triggered by or been a
- 31:02part of that experiences around parental stress, the lockdown,
- 31:06unpredictability, reduced peer connections and interactions,
- 31:11lots of different factors, The brain stress systems.
- 31:14So obviously the amygdala, hippocampus and prefrontal
- 31:17cortex may adapt differently. So what does that mean when we
- 31:22say that they may adapt differently, We're talking about
- 31:24them being more sensitised to threat and separation and less
- 31:28experienced in regulation. When I read that in the
- 31:31research, that kind of helped me to connect the dots, I guess a
- 31:35little bit in terms of how to explain it to parents that we
- 31:38really are seeing a difference in that neurobiology for this
- 31:44population of kids that has that output of so many things.
- 31:49But that's just as an example that increased hypervigilance,
- 31:54more sensitivity to threatened separation and less experience
- 31:58in regulation. So the great thing though is
- 32:03that we know it obviously gives us an understanding, but we can
- 32:09obviously also look to the literature and the research on
- 32:14child centre play therapy and why we can help.
- 32:18So it's not all lost guys. It's certainly systemic.
- 32:24I think would be a fair comment looking at the literature and
- 32:29the emerging literature and certainly I guess anecdotally as
- 32:32well, feedback from, you know, schools, educators, we, our
- 32:38practise issues have the opportunity to connect with a
- 32:40lot of kindies and across Queensland.
- 32:44And yeah, it's pretty consistent that message around seeing this
- 32:49particular population struggle the most in recent years with
- 32:53that anxiety and separation anxiety.
- 32:54So child centre play therapy is an incredible way to help
- 32:58support these kids, to help them to transition to school, to help
- 33:04them to cope with that first year of school and to be able to
- 33:07build some of those skills that they need to be able to engage
- 33:10in school, engaging in school. And then that kind of topic
- 33:14around how to support them in the school setting.
- 33:16I feel like as a whole other episode, you guys, I really just
- 33:19want to keep it to under an hour.
- 33:22This this topic, because I could talk about this all day and I
- 33:27won't. So I'll pull myself back in.
- 33:29But I do want to talk about why child centre play therapy works
- 33:32and why it's so good for this particular cohort.
- 33:35So we know in child centre play therapy and I know I'm I'm
- 33:38preaching to the choir, you guys, that we provide that safe
- 33:41space for kids where we can help them to connect, to experience
- 33:46Co regulation, to role model what that socially acceptable
- 33:49relationship looks like, as Gary Landers would say.
- 33:52But let's dig a little deeper. So how can we help this
- 33:55particular cohort? So we can certainly support in
- 33:58that attachment and Co regulation space.
- 34:00So for many of the these, oh, excuse me, I can't say my words
- 34:04today, for many of these kids during these years, that's what
- 34:08I was trying to say, they repeat and had less repeated practise
- 34:12of separation or reunions in early years.
- 34:15So we're kids and I think to my kids and those experiences of
- 34:20going to daycare and you know, they went a couple of days a
- 34:23week. And so I would drop them off and
- 34:25pick them up and we'd have those set days and they would go and
- 34:27have those play experiences and interactions with their peers.
- 34:30And then I'd pick them up at the end of the day where for this
- 34:33population, this cohort of four to six year olds that we're
- 34:36serving now in our communities, they didn't have that practise
- 34:39as much. So we can offer that safe
- 34:42therapeutic space to do that and experience that with that
- 34:46relationship between the child and us as therapists.
- 34:51What else can we do? We can offer that sense of
- 34:53mastery through that experiential learning experience
- 34:55in the playroom, as you guys know.
- 34:57So we know that some of those anxiety themes around separation
- 35:01transitions change. Yeah, all of those big feelings
- 35:06can be worked through through symbolic play.
- 35:09We can help them to do that in their most natural mode of
- 35:12communication, which is play. So we can help them to
- 35:14cathartically process and make sense of it and help them to
- 35:18feel that sense of empowerment. That's our goal.
- 35:20That's what we do in play therapy.
- 35:21In Johnson Play Therapy. We help to build those social
- 35:24emotional skills. So we are directly responding to
- 35:27that census, that AEDC census. I got that right where play
- 35:32therapy can actively support that growth.
- 35:35So we help through play children to practise negotiations, turn
- 35:39taking with us, impulse control, emotional expression, internal
- 35:44locus of control, all of those things that you guys know well
- 35:48already having done training in child centre play therapy.
- 35:51So we can meet that need and we can help connect and support the
- 35:55development of that those particular skills for that
- 35:58particular cohort. We provide that language and
- 36:01self narrative development. So children practise that
- 36:04emotional literacy and emotional learning through engaging with
- 36:08us. We help them to negotiate roles,
- 36:10tell their stories and helping them to understand their world
- 36:15and what they've been through. So what I found most exciting in
- 36:20my research so far, and genuinely there is so much more
- 36:24research to go and I will continue to do that.
- 36:28Reading up because I think. It's an ongoing building body of
- 36:32research in this space, but one of the guidelines that I found
- 36:37so super interesting, so I just wanted to mention it to our
- 36:42Australian listeners, is the Royal Children's Hospital
- 36:46Melbourne's clinical practise guidelines.
- 36:49So I came across this as part of my research and just absolutely
- 36:54loved it for our child centre play therapy practitioners in
- 36:57the room who are listening where in this Australian Guideline for
- 37:02Anxiety published in 2023, it acknowledged that play therapy
- 37:07could be considered for children eight years and under.
- 37:10Who are less likely? Or especially for those that are
- 37:13less likely to engage in CBT or talk based therapies.
- 37:16That's really exciting. We're seeing some of that
- 37:20clinical guidelines and research coming out saying and
- 37:23recommendations for practise saying that play therapy is a
- 37:28great tool to access support for kids struggling with anxiety.
- 37:32So I will definitely put the link in our notes so that you
- 37:37guys can access it yourselves. It's, it's really exciting to
- 37:41see that mentioned in Australia. So.
- 37:43We know, and I'm going to talk about it a bit more later.
- 37:46But we know globally because I know we've got our global
- 37:49community as well. The meta analysis globally of
- 37:53CCPT in school settings shows moderate improvements in
- 37:57behavioural and emotional outcomes, so using evidence
- 38:01based child therapy meta analytic summaries.
- 38:05So it's really important that we look to the research and talk
- 38:10about what are those meta analysis saying around the
- 38:14application of CCPT to children. And we know for those of you
- 38:18who've been studying this space for some time now, know that the
- 38:23favourability of having play therapy in school settings to
- 38:27work alongside education staff to support kids engaging in
- 38:33school has a great research base.
- 38:35So I encourage you guys to look that up.
- 38:37Child centre play therapy and how it helps children engage in
- 38:42school settings. So we know that for four to six
- 38:45year olds, excuse me, they can't sit through long talk based
- 38:49therapy sessions. So we know CCPT offers so many
- 38:52benefits and I've talked about some of them already, but it
- 38:55definitely gives that experiential learning experience
- 38:57through movement, tactile play, narratives, fire toys, and it
- 39:02absolutely is developmentally appropriate.
- 39:04So we know that it ticks some great boxes there.
- 39:07It also is important for us as part of our CCPD practise to be
- 39:11collaborating, collaborating with parents and caregivers.
- 39:14We do that anyway. We do our parent care
- 39:17consultation updates as we've talked about in a previous
- 39:20episode. So you know it, it can be
- 39:23another opportunity for us to not only serve the children that
- 39:26are struggling in the transition to school, but also that family
- 39:30unit. So we know also too that there
- 39:32is that opportunity around child parent relationship therapy or
- 39:35filial therapy as well for parents.
- 39:37So we can really work to upskill them with some of those play
- 39:40therapy skills to support their kids at home.
- 39:44We also know that we can definitely as child centre play
- 39:48therapists, we want to connect holistically.
- 39:51So that opportunity for us to connect with school staff, to do
- 39:55in school observations where where possible and approved to
- 40:00be able to offer psycho education and training to
- 40:03educators and education staff. There is lots of different ways
- 40:07that we can help support families using our child centre
- 40:11play therapy modality. So I know that when I have been
- 40:16talking to supervisees who are working with families in this
- 40:19space, often times the questions are around how can I help
- 40:24support the parents? What, what can I give them in
- 40:26terms of those practical strategies for parents to be
- 40:29able to navigate this right now? I think what has become part of
- 40:34my practise over the last 12 months truly has been going back
- 40:38to basics. And that sounds really, really
- 40:41basic, right? But genuinely, when we look at
- 40:46this cohort and when we look at our current families in our
- 40:49communities that we're serving right now, they are so busy.
- 40:53It's usually two parent households where they're both
- 40:55working, most likely the part time or full time.
- 40:58They're trying to navigate extracurricular activities,
- 41:01going to school events and things on the weekends, school
- 41:06holidays and and just day to day life.
- 41:08So I know as a parent of a 12 and a 13 year old, I do not have
- 41:12a lot of time. I do not have a lot of time.
- 41:14So I think that it's really important that we acknowledge
- 41:18that for the parents that we are connecting with that the first
- 41:22stop in that intervention is asking the parents, how are you
- 41:26doing? How are you going truly and
- 41:29really working in those parent console updates to build that
- 41:32connection and relationship between therapist and parent
- 41:35carer so that we can start that conversation around them being
- 41:38able to cope themselves. So whether that looks like their
- 41:42own personal therapy, whether that looks like other
- 41:46adjustments in the family dynamic or the family home, all
- 41:49of those things are unpacked in time, right?
- 41:52But I think at the very least, incredible empathy and
- 41:57compassion and validation to our parents in the trenches right
- 42:01now, because this is really tough.
- 42:04This is really hard for a lot of our families.
- 42:07And so just letting parents know, just as Gary Landreth
- 42:10would say, I hear you, I see you, I understand, and I care.
- 42:16We need to be doing that with parents as well.
- 42:18We need to pare back, go back to basics and just give them
- 42:22homework like what we talked about in filiotherapy or child
- 42:26parent relationship therapy about that 32nd burst of
- 42:28attention. Just pop your phone down, turn
- 42:31everything off, and just spend 30 seconds of undivided time
- 42:35with your child going back to basics to help them to be able
- 42:39to help regulate themselves and their child to be able to build
- 42:43that attachment and connection. And just starting really slow
- 42:47and simple. So I think that that's really
- 42:49important. I have also leaned into really,
- 42:53as we always would do anyway, but I feel like for this
- 42:55population even more so, starting with some of the basics
- 42:58of the skills of CPT, of reflecting feelings, like we're
- 43:02talking about emotional regulation as being part of that
- 43:06missed step for some of these kids in relation to those
- 43:09interactions and experiences in those formative years.
- 43:12So how can we help do that Now? We equip parents with the same
- 43:16skills that we use in the playroom.
- 43:18Not exactly the same though, guys.
- 43:19They're not going to be play therapists, but just some of
- 43:21that language that they can use to help validate their child and
- 43:25their child's feelings. Because I think often times as
- 43:29therapists ourselves, we assume that that's something that
- 43:31parents already know. My, my take for what it's worth,
- 43:34is a lot of parents don't and and that's OK, That's OK.
- 43:38That's what we're here for to help support them.
- 43:40So really kind of going back to basics around that play time,
- 43:45play time again, it sounds simple, but I think truly
- 43:50troubleshooting with our parents to say, OK, let's have some time
- 43:55where you just play with your child.
- 43:57What does that look like? Is that on a Friday afternoon
- 44:01after everyone's kind of finished their work week and
- 44:03their schooling and their homework and you've got a window
- 44:07of time before you cook dinner? Like we understand that the
- 44:11schedules are so hectic for a lot of our families.
- 44:14So practically looking at can we make this achievable and how to
- 44:20help them to build that connection and to help kids to
- 44:24play out. So certainly we would lean into
- 44:28child parent relationship therapy if we wanted to equip
- 44:30them with being able to do truly CCPT practise.
- 44:35But I think at the basic level, just getting parents to play
- 44:38with their kids and not interrupt and not direct, just
- 44:42just play with, just be with their kids for 15 minutes, 10 to
- 44:4515 minutes, like that will have such an incredibly huge impact
- 44:51on our kids if we can start to plant the seed for parents
- 44:54around that. But to do that, parents need to
- 44:57be able to be regulated and coping well themselves.
- 45:00So you see how I started the conversation here about what we
- 45:03suggest to parents around how are they doing?
- 45:05First we need to check in with them.
- 45:07How are they going? What steps do they need to put
- 45:10in place? What self care do they need
- 45:11themselves before? Then we start talking about that
- 45:16time with their kids, but also being really mindful of that
- 45:20connection time. I think definitely talking about
- 45:23routines and there's so many different ways we can talk about
- 45:27that. So I'm not going to go through
- 45:28too much information right now. I don't want to overload
- 45:30everyone, but I think having consistent bedtimes, wake up
- 45:35times, predictable morning routines to help kind of support
- 45:39that felt experience of predictability and consistency
- 45:42and routine is very helpful, guys.
- 45:45Very, very helpful to suggest parents having a gradual
- 45:49separation plan, so having a bit of a ritual around that
- 45:52separation at home, a consistent goodbye ritual, you know, kind
- 45:58of building that process for kids to be able to tolerate
- 46:02separation and building their internal safety.
- 46:04And that doesn't happen overnight either.
- 46:06So work shopping ideas with parents around how that could
- 46:10look and what they could implement to be able to navigate
- 46:14that separation gradually to support the child.
- 46:18And definitely, I think helping to support that teacher family
- 46:23partnership and helping to engage in that communication
- 46:28between family and teachers and working with them to understand
- 46:33the needs of your particular child or your particular client.
- 46:37Co create that transition plan. What that could look like in
- 46:40terms of mini routines at the start of the day, check INS, a
- 46:45safe space or a safe activity for the child to engage in when
- 46:50they first come to their classroom at the start of the
- 46:52day to help really sort of build that structure of that
- 46:57consistency and predictability. Sorry, these are definitely not
- 47:02heavy clinical interventions guys, but they are evidence
- 47:05informed practical strategies that parents can use now and we
- 47:09know with the right therapeutic support we can shift this
- 47:12trajectory. So while the data obviously
- 47:15shows us this rising vulnerability for this
- 47:19particular cohort around that anxiety risk for kids starting
- 47:22school right now. We.
- 47:24Know child centre play therapy works and play based
- 47:28interventions works and having that connection and building
- 47:31that system of support between the family, the child and the
- 47:35school and us as play therapists.
- 47:39So I really hope that this episode has connected with you
- 47:46as I started the conversation saying I really genuinely want
- 47:50to validate for anyone in the trenches of this, whether you're
- 47:53a play therapist child and a play therapist or a parent or
- 47:56caregiver yourself or working in the education space.
- 48:00This is a tough time. And I really want to encourage
- 48:05you guys to seek that support. Child centre play therapy is a
- 48:09great way to do that thanks to those clinical guidelines we
- 48:13have from the Royal Children's Hospital.
- 48:15I'm so grateful for that. So the 2023 Evidence Based
- 48:19clinical practise guideline for anxiety in children and young
- 48:21people is absolutely must read. And we will provide the link in
- 48:26our episode notes at the end of this episode.
- 48:29But I think I just want to end this by saying that I am so
- 48:33grateful for the opportunity to be able to have this and start
- 48:37this conversation with all of you.
- 48:39I hope that it has added to your toolkit of your understanding of
- 48:43just what's what's kind of happening in our communities
- 48:46right now. And it starts the conversation.
- 48:49So please, please, please check us out on the socials.
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- 49:13Is there other topics that you would like me to cover in this
- 49:15space? It would you like a longer
- 49:18episode next time where we unpack this more with more of
- 49:21the research and data? I'm really I just wanted to
- 49:24start this conversation to get it going.
- 49:27And as I said in the title here, it's titled the pandemic ripple
- 49:31effect. And I really hope that this
- 49:32conversation offers that ripple effective of wondering, self
- 49:36reflection, understanding as a child centred play therapist
- 49:39around how can we support this population?
- 49:42And we know that play is the way for these kids.
- 49:45So thank you so much for listening.
- 49:48I actually have kind of done this as an extra episode.
- 49:50I normally don't record on a Friday afternoon, as you guys
- 49:52know. So I will be back next week with
- 49:56more child centre play therapy content.
- 49:59As always, please, please, please.
- 50:02Even more so after this topic today, talking about how tough
- 50:06our communities and our families are doing it right now.
- 50:09Right now, in terms of our current space, Please also look
- 50:13after yourselves, be kind to you and to each other, look after
- 50:18yourselves and have a great weekend.
- 50:20And I will talk to you again very soon.
- 50:22So thanks so much for listening. Bye.
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