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Fake Epstein Files Fallout + Will Cain on the Government’s Internal Civil War (Ep.150) · V

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're probably wondering why I am in the car
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Speaker 1: and not in my studio with the Bonginos. I'm traveling
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Speaker 1: right now. I have an excellent video for you guys
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Speaker 1: that's going to be in this clip.
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Speaker 2: It's with Will Kane. We talk about a lot of things.
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Speaker 1: I'm really excited to show you guys this interview that
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Speaker 1: I did for today. But then after I recorded this
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Speaker 1: interview yesterday, news broke. The Jeffrey Epstein news exploded onto
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Speaker 1: the scene and I just had to cover it right
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Speaker 1: now for you guys here because I couldn't wait until
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Speaker 1: next Monday.
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Speaker 2: It's just too timely.
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Speaker 1: We care about Jeffrey Epstein and the victims and the
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Speaker 1: story way too much on this show.
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Speaker 2: So I could not just wait.
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Speaker 1: So we covered yesterday how two nights ago, Pam Bondi
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Speaker 1: went on Jesse Waters on Fox News and said, essentially,
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Speaker 1: I have all this information that I want to share
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Speaker 1: with you guys. And it's really explosive. And finally, we're
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Speaker 1: going to get real disclosure on Jeffrey Epstein. And I
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Speaker 1: was very optimistic yesterday when I reported on this What
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Speaker 1: happened yesterday was not explosive or fun or exciting. It was,
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Speaker 1: I think, a PR disaster for the White House. And
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Speaker 1: it was also very confusing and disillusioning for a lot
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Speaker 1: of conservatives.
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Speaker 2: And so that's why I want to talk about what happened.
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Speaker 1: So instead of getting just a publicly available document on FBI.gov
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Speaker 1: about Jeffrey Epstein, we saw photographs of right-wing influencers posing
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Speaker 1: outside the White House with these binders. And these binders said,
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Speaker 1: the Epstein files phase one with the Department of Justice
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Speaker 1: seal on it.
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Speaker 2: What does phase one mean?
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Speaker 3: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: But my first thought when I saw these photos was,
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Speaker 1: why aren't these being made publicly available if these are
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Speaker 1: the Jeffrey Epstein files? And this is public information. This
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Speaker 1: is information that was supposedly declassified. Why isn't it being
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Speaker 1: given to the American people? That didn't happen, obviously. And
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Speaker 1: then in these binders, it was revealed that the influencers
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Speaker 1: were given re-released information that was already publicly available online.
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Speaker 2: So what does phase one mean? Nothing. Are these the
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Speaker 2: Epstein files?
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Speaker 1: Are these information that we already had a long time ago?
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Speaker 1: So why is it sort of being presented as something
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Speaker 1: new and exciting? And then we find out that Pam
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Speaker 1: Bondi has sent a letter to Kash Patel asking him
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Speaker 1: to investigate the Southern District of New York City's FBI
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Speaker 1: office for hiding documents from her from the DOJ. And
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Speaker 1: this was revealed to her allegedly by a whistleblower. And
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Speaker 1: so then everybody's very confused. Everybody's feeling very betrayed.
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Speaker 2: What's happening?
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Speaker 1: Why were influencers given information that wasn't real information?
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Speaker 2: And I had a lot of questions yesterday.
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Speaker 1: So I tweeted, if the Trump administration had no Epstein information,
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Speaker 1: because the New York FBI is refusing to hand over documents,
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Speaker 1: then why did Pam Bondi say the Epstein files were
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Speaker 1: sitting on her desk?
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Speaker 2: Things would be going a lot smoother right now if
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Speaker 2: she had just told the truth.
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Speaker 1: And so then the whistle, I'm sorry, the influencers who
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Speaker 1: were at the White House were very defensive because they
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Speaker 1: have been smeared as somehow complicit in a cover-up or
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Speaker 1: they're Trump sycophants or they're not real journalists. And I
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Speaker 1: think that's been very unfair. I'm actually going to talk
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Speaker 1: about that in a second. But one of those individuals
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Speaker 1: who was at the White House and received one of
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Speaker 1: these binders, Liz Wheeler, she actually responded to me. And
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Speaker 1: I don't know Liz Wheeler very well. So I'm not
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Speaker 1: going this is not anything personal, but this is what
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Speaker 1: she said. She said because Pam Bondi was told the
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Speaker 1: files on her desk were the complete files until a
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Speaker 1: whistleblower last night told her that the Southern District of
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Speaker 1: New York was hiding potentially thousands more. The binder is
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Speaker 1: evidence of SDNY corruption. They wanted Bondi and us to
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Speaker 1: believe this was it. The scandal is the SDNY. And
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Speaker 1: I responded to her saying, well, that doesn't make a
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Speaker 1: lot of sense because as I played for you guys
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Speaker 1: a couple days ago, Pam Bondi went on Jesse Waters
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Speaker 1: and she said, I have information about I'm going to
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Speaker 1: release to the public.
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Speaker 2: This is new.
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Speaker 1: And obviously it was not new, although I can't be certain.
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Speaker 1: I didn't get a binder, but as everybody, as these
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Speaker 1: influencers did. And then Liz Wheeler makes another X post.
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Speaker 1: And in it, she says this, the FBI was told
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Speaker 1: to deliver the files to Bondi.
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Speaker 2: They did about 200 pages.
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Speaker 1: Bondi smelled a rat because there was nothing juicy in
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Speaker 1: the 200 pages, just flight logs, and a Rolodex of
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Speaker 1: phone numbers, no smoking gun. Still, Bondi promised to release
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Speaker 1: the documents, so she prepared a binder of them. Then
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Speaker 1: last night, a whistleblower contacted Bondi and revealed that the
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Speaker 1: SDNY was hiding potentially thousands of Epstein files, defying Bondi's
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Speaker 1: order to give them all to her. We're talking recordings, evidence, etc.,
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Speaker 1: the juicy stuff names, these swamp creatures at SDNY deceived Bondi, Cash,
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Speaker 1: and you be outraged that the binder is boring.
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Speaker 2: You should be because the evil deep state lied to
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Speaker 2: your face.
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Speaker 1: And this to me again, didn't make a lot of
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Speaker 1: sense because Pam Bondi would have again, still known that
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Speaker 1: there was no new information when she went on Jesse waters,
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Speaker 1: when she's insinuated to the public, Oh, I have it
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Speaker 1: on my desk. And so she led us to believe
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Speaker 1: that there was something to be exposed and revealed to
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Speaker 1: the public.
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Speaker 2: And in reality, There wasn't.
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Speaker 1: And I wish, and this comes back to my initial tweet,
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Speaker 1: I wish that she would have just told us this
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Speaker 1: information is being hidden. I would have understood that. I
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Speaker 1: think all of you listening would have understood that. We
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Speaker 1: know that there's essentially a civil war happening within the
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Speaker 1: deep state where people are just going rogue and they
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Speaker 1: are not listening to this admin and they view Trump
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Speaker 1: as Hitler and they don't want any accountability, probably for
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Speaker 1: crimes that they've committed as part of a deep state that, again,
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Speaker 1: has had really no genuine oversight.
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Speaker 2: For decades.
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Speaker 1: So I would have totally understood, I think all of
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Speaker 1: you listening would have totally understood if Pam Bondi had
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Speaker 1: just been upfront about this. I guess she's saying, well,
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Speaker 1: there was a whistleblower she didn't know, but at the
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Speaker 1: same time, she should have because there was no smoking gun,
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Speaker 1: there was no new information, and she led us to
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Speaker 1: believe that there was. So a lot of confusion is
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Speaker 1: happening right now in MAGA world. And it's not just
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Speaker 1: regular people and regular citizens who weren't some of these influencers.
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Speaker 2: That got binders, It's also members of Congress.
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Speaker 1: Anna Paulina Luna tweeted yesterday, I nor the task force
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Speaker 1: for this disclosure were given or reviewed.
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Speaker 2: The Epstein documents being released today.
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Speaker 1: A New York Post story just revealed that the documents
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Speaker 1: will simply be Epstein's phone book. This is not what
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Speaker 1: we or the American people asked for and a complete disappointment.
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Speaker 2: Get us the information we asked for.
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Speaker 1: So it seems like members of Congress are sort of
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Speaker 1: being blindsided by this as well. Now, to the credit
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Speaker 1: of Pam Bondi and Kash Patel, they have come out
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Speaker 1: and said, we want disclosure. We want the American people
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Speaker 1: to have trust in our institutions again. And like I said,
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Speaker 1: the statement from Kash was strong. The statement from Bondi
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Speaker 1: was strong. And I want to believe them. I want
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Speaker 1: to be really optimistic.
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Speaker 2: About what's happening here. And I'll get into that in a.
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Speaker 1: I also want to discuss the House Judiciary GOP's ex-account
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Speaker 1: because this was really disillusioning even more for a lot
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Speaker 1: of people just in the wake of all this confusion
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Speaker 1: and I think anxiety about whether we're actually going to
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Speaker 1: get the truth on Jeffrey Epstein and all these other subjects.
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Speaker 1: So the House Judiciary's official GOP account announced the release
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Speaker 1: of the Epstein files online. But instead, the link that
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Speaker 1: they shared was actually the Rick Roll prank video, which is,
8:41
Speaker 1: you know, never gonna give you up. You guys know
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Speaker 1: what that song is. And so it was kind of
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Speaker 1: a joke. And it really did not sit well with
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Speaker 1: a lot of people, including myself, because this is not
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Speaker 1: a joking matter. This is like we're talking about a
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Speaker 1: sexual blackmail ring involving children.
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Speaker 2: This is just completely.
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Speaker 1: Inappropriate joking about something that is this serious. And from
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Speaker 1: the GOP, which is supposed to really care about disclosure,
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Speaker 1: and it was perceived by many, and I think understandably so,
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Speaker 1: as almost mocking.
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Speaker 2: Like, you guys want the information so badly. Ha ha ha.
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Speaker 1: We're just going to make fun of you. We're going
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Speaker 1: to rickroll you. And like I said, it did not
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Speaker 1: play over very well at all. Now, something that I
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Speaker 1: want to note, a lot of the people who were
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Speaker 1: at the White House who had these binders Savannah Hernandez,
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Speaker 1: who I talked about yesterday, she was.
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Speaker 2: One of them. People who I really respect, who I
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Speaker 2: like the work that they do.
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Speaker 1: Some of them are more influencer-y, but some of them
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Speaker 1: are actual journalists who do really good work. And Savannah
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Speaker 1: said they were not privy to any of this binder situation.
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Speaker 1: They came to the White House to talk about the
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Speaker 1: work they do and talk about the admins vision for
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Speaker 1: the next four years.
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Speaker 2: There was nothing in in this.
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Speaker 1: Invitation to go to the White House about Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: binders being released to them. So they have been kind
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Speaker 1: of smeared as as con ink and like I said,
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Speaker 1: Trump sycophants and not genuine journalists and just sort of
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Speaker 1: stupid influencers. And this is really unfair because that's not
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Speaker 1: why they came to the White House. If I'm going
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Speaker 1: to believe Savannah and I do. And so that to
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Speaker 1: me was also gave me a lot of pause. I
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Speaker 1: think the real issue here is a potential civil war
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Speaker 1: within the deep state.
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Speaker 2: I am still optimistic that this is just a PR.
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Speaker 1: Disaster on Pam Bondi's part and nothing nefarious or, or,
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Speaker 1: or evil. And that this is just a disaster that,
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Speaker 1: happening behind the scenes and a civil war within our government.
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Speaker 1: And if that's the case, all of our anger needs
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Speaker 1: to be directed at these rogue federal agents and not
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Speaker 1: the people who were just at the White House randomly
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Speaker 1: and were invited there for completely different reasons. I also
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Speaker 1: want to note that Laura Loomer tweeted yesterday on X.
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Speaker 1: She said of one of my tweets, she quote tweeted
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Speaker 1: me and she said, the daughter of President Trump's own
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Speaker 1: Transportation Secretary, Sean Duffy, agreed that Pam Bondi didn't tell
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Speaker 1: the truth about the.
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Speaker 2: Epstein files, which that's not really what I said.
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Speaker 1: But she said, I doubt that Trump's own cabinet is
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Speaker 1: in agreement over the botched rollout today at our Campo Stuffy.
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Speaker 2: Your daughter is right.
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Speaker 1: And I just want to note, like, when I'm making
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Speaker 1: this video, when I'm tweeting, like, this is not my parents. Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't speak for my parents. I'm a grown, married woman.
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Speaker 1: I haven't even talked to my dad about this. My
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Speaker 1: dad is incredibly busy dealing with DOT. Like, he has
11:37
Speaker 1: his own stuff going on right now. I am a
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Speaker 1: journalist in my own right. a commentator, and I am
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Speaker 1: acting on my own. Now, I also just want to
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Speaker 1: just close this out by saying I'm not an anarchist.
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Speaker 1: I want to have faith and trust in our institutions.
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Speaker 1: I really, really want us to reform and to build
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Speaker 1: back trust and positive public trust in our institutions. Again,
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Speaker 1: I think this is essential. I'm somebody who does not
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Speaker 1: believe in chaos and disorder and no authority whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: That's not who I am as a person.
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Speaker 1: What happened yesterday in regard to Jeffrey Epstein seemed like
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Speaker 1: a botched PR situation, and I hope that's all it was,
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Speaker 1: and we're going to get to the bottom of this,
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Speaker 1: and Dan Bongino is going to be in there really soon.
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Speaker 1: I think he's going to crack skulls. I think he
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Speaker 1: is going to be incredible. This does do some damage
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Speaker 1: to the goodwill that the Trump admin had with regular
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Speaker 1: people who wanted just full disclosure. And so I really
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Speaker 1: want to see that trust be rebuilt because I think
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Speaker 1: it's essential that in this admin, we.
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Speaker 2: Have genuine reform.
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Speaker 1: We have the promises that were made to us followed
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Speaker 1: through with and kept because that's what the American people need.
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Speaker 1: It's been way too long of just lies, deceit, corruption.
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Speaker 1: We had a man in New York in his cell,
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Speaker 1: in prison, seemingly murdered.
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Speaker 2: And we need to know the truth about what happened.
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Speaker 2: We need the truth for the victims.
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Speaker 1: Like I said yesterday, we need to know exactly who
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Speaker 1: was behind the sexual blackmail ring. It's not just Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein acting alone. Obviously, there are forces behind this that
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Speaker 1: are much more powerful that were his handlers.
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Speaker 2: We need to know who those people are.
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Speaker 1: And that is essential to bringing back public trust and
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Speaker 1: to making us a stronger country.
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Speaker 2: And that's what I want.
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Speaker 1: I think that's what everybody who was critical yesterday wants.
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Speaker 1: And so I hope that that happens despite this PR
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Speaker 1: blunder from yesterday. And I hope that's all it was,
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Speaker 1: the PR blunder. And for now, I think we can
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Speaker 1: optimistically say that that's the case. All right, I appreciate
13:45
Speaker 1: you guys bearing with me as I'm in the car
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Speaker 1: trying to deliver this to you. Like I said, I'm
13:49
Speaker 1: traveling right now. So it's just it's not my normal setup.
13:53
Speaker 1: But I have a really excellent video with Will Kane
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Speaker 1: coming up.
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Speaker 2: So I hope you'll stay tuned for that. And I
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Speaker 2: appreciate you bearing with me.
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Speaker 1: Good morning and welcome to Bongino Report, early edition. Today
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Speaker 1: I'm joined by a special guest, Will Cain, host of
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Speaker 1: the Will Cain Show podcast, which airs weekdays at 12 p.m.
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Speaker 1: Eastern time, but also a newly launched Will Cain Show
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Speaker 1: on Fox News at 4 p.m. And congratulations to you, Will,
14:19
Speaker 1: because apparently you're averaging like millions of viewers a night,
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Speaker 1: driving Fox ratings up. I read 94%, so congratulations.
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Speaker 4: Yes. Thank you. Thank you. It's been incredible.
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Speaker 5: And the fun thing about it, Zavita, is you have
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Speaker 5: experienced and you know. Launching something new is a work
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Speaker 5: in progress. So what I envision for this show and
14:39
Speaker 5: where we intend to take it, well, we've just rounded
14:41
Speaker 5: first base at best. But to be received like this
14:45
Speaker 5: at that point in the game is incredibly flattering and
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Speaker 5: incredibly exciting. So I can't wait to see where this goes,
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Speaker 5: and I'm glad the audience is ready to go along
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Speaker 5: on the ride.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's well-deserved.
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Speaker 1: And for everybody that's listening, you may not know for
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Speaker 1: some context, Will and my mom, Rachel Campo-Stuffy and Pete
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Speaker 1: Hegseth were the weekend hosts of Boxing Friends. And Will
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Speaker 1: and Pete have both abandoned her. And now she's alone
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Speaker 1: on the weekends. And the magic that those three had,
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Speaker 1: it's great when they have in these fill-ins and it's still,
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Speaker 1: she's trying to make it work, but there was something
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Speaker 1: special and Will has abandoned her and he's on to
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Speaker 1: much bigger things. So I'm happy for you, and I
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Speaker 1: also feel very bad for my mom that you left
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Speaker 1: on the weekends.
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Speaker 4: You know this.
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Speaker 5: You know this, that I love your mom. And what
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Speaker 5: Pete and your mom and I had on Fox Friends
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Speaker 5: weekend is, and we said it at the time, and
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Speaker 5: I remember Pete and I saying it to Rachel, we
15:37
Speaker 5: have lightning in a bottle, and it never lasts. Lightning
15:40
Speaker 5: in a bottle isn't something you can capture forever, but
15:42
Speaker 5: when you have it, enjoy it. Um, because you can't
15:46
Speaker 5: recreate it. Uh, and it's not even, it's not even
15:48
Speaker 5: worth trying. You got to try something new and establish
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Speaker 5: new relationships. But the three of us together was the
15:54
Speaker 5: most special thing that I've ever been a part of
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Speaker 5: in broadcasting. The three of us had the kind of
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Speaker 5: chemistry again, as you know, that it wasn't over when
16:03
Speaker 5: the cameras turned off, we talked after the show, we
16:05
Speaker 5: hung out in our offices, we socialized and we were
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Speaker 5: on text chains where we were friends 24 sevens.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so true.
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Speaker 1: My mom always said, we're actual friends. Like what you're
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Speaker 1: seeing on camera is really what it's like.
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Speaker 2: Behind the scenes.
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Speaker 1: And to that, to that, on that point, Will, you
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Speaker 1: have been such an incredible defender of your friend, Pete Hexa.
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Speaker 1: My mom has as well, but you especially, you were
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Speaker 1: driving just this like Twitter war path. defending Pete against
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Speaker 1: these horrible smears before he was confirmed. And there's been
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Speaker 1: these smears happening against Pete pretty, pretty badly, but against
16:42
Speaker 1: all of these nominees of President Trump, these now confirmed nominees.
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Speaker 1: And I have to ask you, Will, one of the
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Speaker 1: criticisms is, well, they're all media personalities. They're coming from
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Speaker 1: Fox News, Sean Duffy, Pete Hegseth, Dan Bongino, and they're
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Speaker 1: not qualified. I think that actually it's been incredible to
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Speaker 1: see these amazing communicators head these agencies, and we're suddenly
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Speaker 1: seeing transparency and this level of communication that I don't
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Speaker 1: think we've ever.
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Speaker 2: Seen in any admin before.
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Speaker 1: In your experience as a media personality, as somebody who's
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Speaker 1: been in this space for a long time, is this unprecedented?
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Speaker 1: What are you perceiving communication-wise from this admin versus ones
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Speaker 1: of the past?
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Speaker 4: Well, the level of communication is absolutely unprecedented.
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Speaker 5: As yesterday was reported, President Trump has taken over 1,000
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Speaker 5: questions at this point in his second term. At the
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Speaker 5: same time, Joe Biden had taken 126. Those are ballpark numbers,
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Speaker 5: but I know that President Trump has increased his transparency
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Speaker 5: and accountability by 700%. And I think that your point
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Speaker 5: is well taken. When you talk about your dad, Sean Duffy,
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Speaker 5: Pete Hegseth, your boss, who's now gonna be the deputy
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Speaker 5: director of the FBI, Dan Bongino. There's a lot of
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Speaker 5: things that go into leadership. Good judgment, experience, yes. Wisdom,
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Speaker 5: which I think is very different than intelligence. But at
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Speaker 5: some point, leadership does rely on communication.
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Speaker 4: I have a friend who is a trial lawyer. He's
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Speaker 4: a really successful trial lawyer.
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Speaker 5: And he and I have talked about putting together this
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Speaker 5: course on communication and persuasion because at some point, what
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Speaker 5: you have to do is persuade the people that work
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Speaker 5: for you to buy into your vision. And then ultimately
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Speaker 5: for people like Sean and Pete and Dan and Cash
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Speaker 5: and others, your boss truly is President Trump, but at
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Speaker 5: the next level is the American people. So communicating to
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Speaker 5: the American people your vision and getting them to buy
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Speaker 5: in is a major skill set, maybe the major skill
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Speaker 5: set in the job, because your hands aren't in it
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Speaker 5: quite as much when you manage something, in Pete's case,
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Speaker 5: as massive as the Department of Defense. So your job
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Speaker 5: relies on your ability to communicate, and people will dismiss it.
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Speaker 5: People that I have been friends with, like Stephen A. Smith,
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Speaker 5: will dismiss Pete as somebody who was a weekend host
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Speaker 5: at Fox News.
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Speaker 4: Well, guess what?
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Speaker 5: That skill that he he has honed and developed. And
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Speaker 5: that's only part of his skill set, a very, just
19:17
Speaker 5: even a small part of his skill set. But that
19:20
Speaker 5: skill is extremely valuable in running something at a leadership position.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's absolutely true.
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Speaker 1: And I'll even say just the social media savviness of
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Speaker 1: this admin seems to be unprecedented. During the midterms, I
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Speaker 1: was screeching at the Federalist and on Twitter, like, why
19:42
Speaker 1: is nobody using TikTok? Why is nobody using Instagram and X?
19:45
Speaker 1: And it just feels like we are living in a
19:47
Speaker 1: bygone era when it comes to Republicans. And that was
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Speaker 1: the case for a long time. I don't know if
19:51
Speaker 1: they just didn't care about social media. They thought the
19:53
Speaker 1: internet was a thing, that it was not going to
19:55
Speaker 1: be a thing, right? Like, you know, it's just like
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Speaker 1: silliness from these establishment Republican politicians. For the first time ever,
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Speaker 1: we're actually seeing this admin utilize social media. They're fact-checking
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Speaker 1: the corporate media before the corporate media even has a
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Speaker 1: chance to try and dispel or trying to promote a
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Speaker 1: false narrative. It's really kind of remarkable. And I will say, though, Will,
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Speaker 1: one thing that has me really concerned, and I know
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Speaker 1: that Pete is somebody who is very capable.
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Speaker 2: My dad is capable. Dan is capable. Cash is capable.
20:27
Speaker 2: Tulsi is capable.
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Speaker 1: This article from CNN... made me pause because it essentially
20:35
Speaker 1: is a veiled threat, maybe an overt threat against this admin.
20:41
Speaker 1: The title of this article from CNN is how Trump's
20:44
Speaker 1: government cutting moves risks exposing the CIA's secret. And this
20:51
Speaker 1: piece is essentially dedicated to amplifying threats from anonymous intelligence officials.
20:55
Speaker 1: And the message to Trump is, if you start firing people,
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Speaker 1: Asians may just sell out America to our enemies abroad.
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Speaker 1: And this insubordination is being felt across the federal government, CIA, DOD, DOT,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 2: Are you worried about this?
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Speaker 5: I think we have to be worried about this as
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Speaker 5: a practical matter. You know, the idea that you can't
21:21
Speaker 5: cut the federal government because the federal government will turn
21:23
Speaker 5: against you, that's on its face incredibly... Concerning, but also obvious.
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Speaker 5: We saw that happen during the first Trump administration. The
21:30
Speaker 5: federal government, the bureaucracy turned on the democracy, turned on
21:34
Speaker 5: the people and the people's elected representative in Donald Trump.
21:37
Speaker 5: What you see here, on a practical level, you could say, yeah,
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Speaker 5: oh my gosh, people with high-level clearances and secrets have
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Speaker 5: now been fired. What kind of grudges might they hold?
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Speaker 5: We see that in the private sector, right? We see
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Speaker 5: that all the time. All of a sudden, I don't
21:52
Speaker 5: work for you. Now my allegiances aren't to you anymore.
21:54
Speaker 5: In fact, I'll burn what I know about you to
21:56
Speaker 5: advance myself. What's concerning about that is that if that
22:01
Speaker 5: exists inside the federal government and specifically within the CIA
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Speaker 5: with people that could sell secrets to our foreign adversaries,
22:10
Speaker 5: that what's being driven, what's driving these federal bureaucrats is
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Speaker 5: careerism and not patriotism. I don't know if that's too
22:17
Speaker 5: much to ask of everybody that works for the government.
22:19
Speaker 5: You know, I said this earlier this week. I think
22:21
Speaker 5: Dan Bongino is a great example of this. Dan doesn't
22:24
Speaker 5: have to go work for the FBI. I mean, Dan
22:27
Speaker 5: makes a lot of money on a very successful podcast
22:30
Speaker 5: and a very, very successful radio show. And it shows
22:33
Speaker 5: an element of patriotism to set all that aside to
22:36
Speaker 5: go serve in the FBI. I can't expect everyone to
22:40
Speaker 5: come at it from the position that Dan does, but
22:43
Speaker 5: I would like to think there is some element of
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Speaker 5: patriotism inside everyone who's working at the CIA.
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Speaker 4: You don't get rich.
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Speaker 5: It's not a job that you make a ton of
22:52
Speaker 5: money on, so why do you do it?
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Speaker 4: Why do you put your life in jeopardy?
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Speaker 5: Why do you devote your life to something that, at
22:59
Speaker 5: least when I watch Lioness, doesn't look like a very
23:02
Speaker 5: good life working for the CIA? You would think the
23:06
Speaker 5: answer is patriotism, and if you dissolve your patriotism this
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Speaker 5: easily and you're willing to go sell it to our adversaries,
23:15
Speaker 5: we've got a bigger problem than inside the CIA. And
23:18
Speaker 5: I agree with you then as well, though, that's just
23:21
Speaker 5: the practical reality that we might have to grapple with.
23:26
Speaker 5: But now the threat of it, well, I might, or
23:30
Speaker 5: we might, or this might be a problem as published
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Speaker 5: by CNN, is nothing short of extortion on the will
23:37
Speaker 5: of the American people as enacted through Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: Well, and the CNN element is really interesting, too, that
23:43
Speaker 1: they chose to go to CNN. And we know that CNN,
23:46
Speaker 1: as well as other left-wing publications, have played a big
23:49
Speaker 1: role in, for instance, the Russia collusion hoax, right? And
23:51
Speaker 1: they were these trusted sources of these intel officials who
23:57
Speaker 1: will promote propaganda to the American people via these outlets.
24:00
Speaker 1: And these outlets then, of course, get these exclusive stories.
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Speaker 1: What do you notice about the media landscape? I mean,
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Speaker 1: are we going to see the access of a lot
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Speaker 1: of places like CNN be radically diminished and potentially lose
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Speaker 1: perhaps the gatekeeping control that they have over the media spirit?
24:18
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I'm not breaking any stories from
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Speaker 1: secret anonymous intelligence officials. They're not coming to me, but
24:24
Speaker 1: they do go to CNN. What does that do for media?
24:28
Speaker 1: And is it going to change?
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Speaker 4: I think it is changing right in front of us.
24:32
Speaker 5: I think that Let's just take a quick survey of
24:35
Speaker 5: the landscape of what's happened just this week. So MSNBC
24:38
Speaker 5: is going through some type of restructure, but I wouldn't
24:40
Speaker 5: put much hope on the fact that it's going to
24:42
Speaker 5: somehow pivot to sanity. I think they'll continue to double
24:46
Speaker 5: down on insanity, but probably try to do it in
24:49
Speaker 5: a less irresponsible manner, if that's possible. Can you be
24:53
Speaker 5: responsibly insane? But I think that's what they're trying to
24:56
Speaker 5: accomplish by doing away with Joy Reid. There was reportedly
25:01
Speaker 5: a mandate down from at least mid-level, perhaps on high,
25:06
Speaker 5: at ABC to rein in the view, to rein in
25:09
Speaker 5: the insanity that's being espoused on the view on a
25:11
Speaker 5: day-to-day basis. And then we saw yesterday that Jeff Bezos
25:14
Speaker 5: sent that letter to the Washington Post that we're gonna
25:16
Speaker 5: reformat our opinion pages and we're gonna focus on two values,
25:21
Speaker 5: personal liberties and free markets. I think that we're seeing
25:26
Speaker 5: some sense of a pivot. And those that don't will
25:31
Speaker 5: be left behind. The Trump administration not granting the privilege
25:35
Speaker 5: to the Associated.
25:35
Speaker 4: Press of being in the room.
25:38
Speaker 5: The reformation of the White House Correspondents Association pool that
25:43
Speaker 5: gets to sit in front of Caroline Leavitt or whoever
25:45
Speaker 5: else goes to the podium. They'll be boxed out, and
25:48
Speaker 5: they'll make choices. Are we going to try to pivot?
25:52
Speaker 5: There's a reason I'm using the word sanity, because I
25:54
Speaker 5: don't have high enough expectations for them to move to
25:57
Speaker 5: the middle. I don't even know sometimes what that means,
26:00
Speaker 5: the middle. But I do think that there could be
26:04
Speaker 5: some pivot back to at least a level of sanity.
26:08
Speaker 5: And those that don't, whether or not that's CNN or
26:12
Speaker 5: the New York Times, I do think they'll be increasingly
26:14
Speaker 5: boxed out, but they'll continue to have their bureaucratic sources
26:18
Speaker 5: that produce articles like the one you just put up
26:21
Speaker 5: on CNN.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and you mentioned Jeff Bezos, and that's been
26:26
Speaker 1: a fascinating story because Jeff Bezos, owner of Washington Post,
26:31
Speaker 1: he says, we're going to actually change our editorial pages.
26:34
Speaker 1: We're going to focus on free markets and personal liberty.
26:37
Speaker 1: I have a lot of trouble believing that this is
26:39
Speaker 1: some sort of genuine conversion to caring about personal liberty
26:43
Speaker 1: and free markets from Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos has a
26:46
Speaker 1: history of creating monopolies, destroying small businesses, stealing intellectual property, censoring,
26:52
Speaker 1: blacklisting conservative books on Amazon. Do you think that this
26:56
Speaker 1: is a genuine transition, and what does it mean for us?
26:58
Speaker 1: Should we just be happy that it's happening, or do
27:01
Speaker 1: we have to think about this more critically?
27:04
Speaker 5: I think we have to think about it more critically,
27:05
Speaker 5: but I think you can also be somewhat happy. I
27:08
Speaker 5: think there's three options of what's happened at The Washington Post.
27:13
Speaker 4: One, it's cynical.
27:14
Speaker 5: As you point out, Jeff Bezos has a massive monopoly
27:18
Speaker 5: and has government contracts, and he's trying to curry favor
27:20
Speaker 5: with the sitting government. Two, He always believed in personal
27:24
Speaker 5: liberty and free markets, and he looked at what his
27:27
Speaker 5: properties were doing with embarrassment and weakness, a combination of
27:30
Speaker 5: embarrassment and weakness. So he would have saw those editorial
27:32
Speaker 5: pages publishing what they did, but was too weak to
27:35
Speaker 5: stand up and do anything about being embarrassed about their insanity.
27:40
Speaker 5: Or three, he's simply writing the vibe, the vibe change.
27:46
Speaker 5: There's obviously been a huge vibe shift in America, and
27:49
Speaker 5: the vibe shift has pivoted to representing the majority of Americans.
27:53
Speaker 5: Like things like the New York Times and the Washington
27:55
Speaker 5: Post and the directions that they were going, we know
27:59
Speaker 5: represented a small fraction of America.
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Speaker 4: Just taking one issue, but it's the most obvious, the
28:04
Speaker 4: transit issue, right?
28:06
Speaker 5: I think what Donald Trump is doing has like an
28:08
Speaker 5: 80% approval rating among Americans.
28:10
Speaker 4: And it always did, Evita, it always did.
28:13
Speaker 5: Like where we were driving on that issue was driven by,
28:16
Speaker 5: I don't even think it was 20%. It was probably
28:19
Speaker 5: a radical 5%, 6% that believed this stuff, then bent
28:23
Speaker 5: the will of another 14% to 20% who were weak,
28:26
Speaker 5: and then made the rest of America believe it was
28:29
Speaker 5: a majoritarian position.
28:30
Speaker 4: It wasn't.
28:31
Speaker 5: So Donald Trump's pivoted us back, this is why I
28:34
Speaker 5: keep using the term sanity, to representing the majority of Americans.
28:38
Speaker 5: That vibe shift is real. I mean, you see it
28:41
Speaker 5: from comedians. You see it in pop culture. You even
28:43
Speaker 5: hear it from a guy like Bill Maher now. And
28:46
Speaker 5: so maybe as that third option, Bezos is just going, oh, wow,
28:50
Speaker 5: this is what Americans think. We've got to be more
28:52
Speaker 5: in touch from a business proposition, by the way, be
28:56
Speaker 5: more in touch with America.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think that that is a positive thing.
29:00
Speaker 1: I do look critically at Jeff Bezos. But well, I
29:03
Speaker 1: want to get your because I was going to actually
29:05
Speaker 1: ask you, is the vibe shift real? You just said
29:07
Speaker 1: it's real. I want to get your reaction to this video.
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Speaker 2: These are Democrats.
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Speaker 1: I can't explain to you why I love this video
29:14
Speaker 1: for some reason. and also think it's crazy at the
29:17
Speaker 1: same time. These are Democrat federal workers and members of
29:19
Speaker 1: Congress singing their own version of an Elon Musk historic
29:25
Speaker 1: labor union song outside the Department of Labor.
29:28
Speaker 2: Take a listen to that.
29:30
Speaker 4: Which side are you on? Which side are you on?
29:35
Speaker 4: Tell me which side.
29:37
Speaker 2: Are you on? Which side are you on?
29:42
Speaker 5: We'll fight against George.
29:46
Speaker 4: We'll fight Elon Musk.
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Speaker 2: No, we let's.
29:50
Speaker 1: Get within our walls. We'll fight from dawn to dusk.
29:56
Speaker 2: Oh, which side are you on?
29:58
Speaker 1: Okay, so what I guess the question is, is this
30:01
Speaker 1: going to be effective? It seems like they're trying to
30:03
Speaker 1: create some sort of like BLM, civil rights movement, like
30:07
Speaker 1: we're going to just take to the streets. And Democrats
30:10
Speaker 1: are actually calling people to take to the streets, even
30:12
Speaker 1: sort of suggesting violence. And nothing seems to be happening.
30:16
Speaker 1: Like what do you make of this strategy from these
30:18
Speaker 1: sort of boomer, aging bureaucrats going outside of public buildings
30:23
Speaker 1: and singing labor songs and screeching about Elon Musk?
30:28
Speaker 4: I heard my 17-year-old son listening to that song last night.
30:30
Speaker 5: He was probably playing it from TikTok or Instagram Reels.
30:33
Speaker 5: It's catchy, by the way. He didn't proceed to sing
30:36
Speaker 5: it several times afterwards.
30:37
Speaker 4: Not in support, but in comedy.
30:41
Speaker 5: It's so impotent. It's so ineffective. Stylistically first, like, come on.
30:48
Speaker 4: Like, you're singing.
30:50
Speaker 5: If anyone was watching you this morning, instead of listening,
30:54
Speaker 5: they would have seen a bunch of, what, 60-year-old women
30:58
Speaker 5: dressed in purple singing that song. I mean, stylistically, it's
31:02
Speaker 5: a massive turnoff. It's going to win no one over.
31:05
Speaker 5: But substantively, think about what we're talking about. That's a
31:08
Speaker 5: bunch of Fed rules.
31:09
Speaker 4: Which side are you on?
31:15
Speaker 5: Protecting their federal jobs. I don't think the constituency is
31:19
Speaker 5: massive for this. I don't, again, back to the approval ratings,
31:22
Speaker 5: Doge is overwhelmingly popular. The overwhelming majority of Americans believe
31:27
Speaker 5: the federal government is bloated.
31:28
Speaker 4: They all, again, the majority, this is.
31:30
Speaker 5: According to a Harvard-Harris poll that just came out, want
31:33
Speaker 5: to see a cutback in government spending as opposed to
31:36
Speaker 5: raising taxes to cover up for our deficit. So those
31:40
Speaker 5: people singing to keep their jobs, the American people's support
31:44
Speaker 5: losing their jobs.
31:46
Speaker 4: And that's not personal. No one celebrates unemployment, but it is.
31:49
Speaker 5: You need to have a job that productively contributes to
31:52
Speaker 5: society because you work for us. Never forget that those
31:57
Speaker 5: people seeing are protecting their ability to live on the
32:00
Speaker 5: taxpayer dollar, which is an involuntary system. That money is
32:03
Speaker 5: taken from us, not given. It's not a service that
32:06
Speaker 5: we buy by consumer choice. It is confiscated us from
32:10
Speaker 5: us at gunpoint. If you doubt that and think that
32:14
Speaker 5: that's hyperbole, don't pay your taxes.
32:16
Speaker 4: See what happens.
32:17
Speaker 3: Yeah.
32:17
Speaker 5: So that is taken from us and given to these
32:20
Speaker 5: people who sing when they can no longer point the
32:23
Speaker 5: gun and take your money away.
32:25
Speaker 3: Yeah.
32:25
Speaker 1: Well, and the aesthetic differences that you brought up are
32:29
Speaker 1: really interesting too. I mean, you had sort of these
32:31
Speaker 1: old frumpy looking liberals and they're screeching. And yes, I
32:35
Speaker 1: think that they're like entitled to have this government job
32:38
Speaker 1: that is completely unjustified and in many cases, very wasteful.
32:43
Speaker 1: for our federal tax dollars. Now, the New Yorker ran
32:48
Speaker 1: this piece really recently as a contrast to these liberals
32:51
Speaker 1: who are screaming outside of these public buildings in protest.
32:54
Speaker 1: They ran this article called The Cruel Kids Table, and
32:58
Speaker 1: it's essentially smearing young MAGA supporters who were partying at
33:02
Speaker 1: the inauguration. And if you look at this photo, I mean,
33:05
Speaker 1: these are like very hot, very young, very just like well,
33:11
Speaker 1: well dressed young people. And the article is essentially smearing
33:15
Speaker 1: them as, as racist or, or transphobic or, or, um,
33:18
Speaker 1: like anti-immigrant trying to make them look bad. But at
33:22
Speaker 1: the same time, I'm, I'm looking at this photo and
33:24
Speaker 1: I'm like, I kind of want to be.
33:25
Speaker 4: A part of this group.
33:26
Speaker 1: Like this, this seems pretty cool to me. Like what,
33:28
Speaker 1: what is your take on the strategy here of trying
33:31
Speaker 1: to demonize really cool looking young people? And it sort
33:35
Speaker 1: of just falling on its face on social media because
33:38
Speaker 1: everyone's like, oh my gosh, they're beautiful. Even look at
33:40
Speaker 1: that girl in the front, that young woman. Everyone was like,
33:42
Speaker 1: this girl is gorgeous. Like who doesn't want to be
33:44
Speaker 1: her friend? I don't know.
33:46
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that, Will?
33:48
Speaker 4: Well, first, it.
33:49
Speaker 5: Isn't interesting that all the attacks are ad hominem. They're
33:52
Speaker 5: personal attacks on people. They're not substantive attacks on what
33:55
Speaker 5: they believe. This week, I'm going to admit something here.
33:59
Speaker 5: I watched two nights, two nights of MSNBC. And the
34:06
Speaker 5: quantity of the attacks that are ad hominem and not
34:09
Speaker 5: substantively based is just overwhelming. So Elon Musk is a
34:12
Speaker 5: wannabe authoritarian. You know, of course, Donald Trump, Pete Hegseth
34:17
Speaker 5: was in the crosshairs even this week. It's always ad hominem.
34:22
Speaker 5: And it's also false. Like that New.
34:25
Speaker 4: York, I'm sure you've talked about this, but that New
34:27
Speaker 4: York Magazine cover is false.
34:29
Speaker 5: It's the famous meme of zooming in on a photo
34:33
Speaker 5: to make the victim look like the aggressor and the
34:34
Speaker 5: aggressor look like the victim. The implication, as you point out,
34:37
Speaker 5: is this bunch of racist, good-looking, rich white people.
34:40
Speaker 4: C.J. Pearson, who helped put on that party, has talked
34:42
Speaker 4: about this. C.J. Pearson, black.
34:45
Speaker 2: Is a black man.
34:46
Speaker 4: And they cropped that photo.
34:48
Speaker 5: They cropped that photo to crop out. They literally zoomed
34:53
Speaker 5: it in because right on the edges of the border
34:55
Speaker 5: of that magazine cover and the edges of that photo,
34:57
Speaker 5: there's like four or five black people right there on
35:00
Speaker 5: the edge, cropped out so they could zoom in on
35:03
Speaker 5: a photo of white people.
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Speaker 4: But even beyond all the falsehoods, I agree with you
35:06
Speaker 4: as well. What's wrong with that group of people? What's
35:11
Speaker 4: offensive about that group of people? It's a pretty... successful
35:16
Speaker 4: and aspirational image of America.
35:18
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I want to talk about the vibe shift,
35:22
Speaker 1: not just here in America, but also abroad, because this
35:26
Speaker 1: is something that feels global. This shift that we've been
35:29
Speaker 1: touching on the entire show, it's not just in America.
35:34
Speaker 1: And there seems to be a disconnect between regular Westerners
35:39
Speaker 1: and and specifically the European elite.
35:42
Speaker 3: And J.D.
35:42
Speaker 1: Vance had this incredible speech recently in Munich where he
35:46
Speaker 1: put them to shame, these European elites who are completely
35:50
Speaker 1: illiberal and they censor speech and they arrest pro-lifers who
35:54
Speaker 1: will pray silently outside of abortion clinics, just like crazy,
35:58
Speaker 1: absurd violations of natural rights. And the UK-based Financial Times
36:04
Speaker 1: recently ran this article that I wanna discuss because the
36:07
Speaker 1: title is the U.S. is now the enemy of the West.
36:12
Speaker 1: And the article essentially argues that the U.S. is abandoning
36:14
Speaker 1: its historical role as a global leader of so-called democracy
36:19
Speaker 1: and liberal values. Now, of course, J.D. Vance has pointed
36:21
Speaker 1: out really eloquently that they don't actually support the natural rights,
36:25
Speaker 1: so-called liberal values. And so because America is nationalist now
36:30
Speaker 1: and we're prioritizing America over globalism and authentic Western values
36:35
Speaker 1: rooted in Christianity, that somehow America is the enemy of Europe.
36:40
Speaker 1: What kind of a conflict do you see happening between
36:42
Speaker 1: this Trump admin and Europe, especially with the tension between
36:46
Speaker 1: the war in Ukraine, Europe feeling they were sidelined from
36:48
Speaker 1: the peace negotiations, and at the same time, populism rising
36:53
Speaker 1: among the people in Europe?
36:57
Speaker 4: I'm glad you asked me about this.
36:58
Speaker 5: I don't normally get animated about foreign policy because my
37:00
Speaker 5: major prism, Evita, is America first. I don't know that
37:05
Speaker 5: I ever could have put that into words as succinctly
37:08
Speaker 5: as I just did to you throughout my life before
37:11
Speaker 5: it was popularized by Donald Trump.
37:13
Speaker 4: But I do know that.
37:13
Speaker 5: I've always cared about, look, anyone that knows me knows
37:16
Speaker 5: I care about Texas. I care about my community. I
37:19
Speaker 5: care about America. And my concentric circles of attention and
37:24
Speaker 5: empathy work from the inside out. I care about my family,
37:28
Speaker 5: my God, my community, my state, my country before I
37:31
Speaker 5: get to Europe or Ukraine. I think it's fascinating as
37:36
Speaker 5: you look at the heat map of liberals' empathy, it
37:39
Speaker 5: works in reverse. They care about things further away than
37:41
Speaker 5: they do things close to home. In fact, they often
37:44
Speaker 5: have a self-hatred or a hatred of things closest to home,
37:47
Speaker 5: including family. I'm just telling you that because I'm animated
37:51
Speaker 5: by this. That Financial Times article really pisses me off.
37:55
Speaker 5: So first of all, if you ever talk to someone
37:57
Speaker 5: like Douglas Murray, and Douglas Murray is much more concerned
38:00
Speaker 5: with geopolitical affairs far from home than I am, but
38:02
Speaker 5: he has often said something to this effect. America is
38:06
Speaker 5: the last bastion of hope for the West.
38:08
Speaker 4: We are.
38:09
Speaker 5: That doesn't mean we are perfect. We are responsible, I think,
38:12
Speaker 5: for exporting wokeism to Europe. I think it started here,
38:17
Speaker 5: and they readily lapped it up once they saw wokeism. However,
38:22
Speaker 5: I love what JD fans had to say to Europe.
38:25
Speaker 5: You have abandoned the West. You know, part of what
38:29
Speaker 5: I care about at home is Western civilization. I care about,
38:32
Speaker 5: as you point out, natural rights, Judeo-Christian ethics. I care
38:37
Speaker 5: about the frontier and pioneer spirit of America. You, Europe,
38:41
Speaker 5: have abandoned these things. You are a decaying society, not
38:46
Speaker 5: replacing your birthright and not passing on what was handed
38:48
Speaker 5: to you over centuries of development and a lot of bloodshed.
38:52
Speaker 5: And by the way, a lot of brilliance from Socrates
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Speaker 5: through the Holy Roman Empire through the Magna Carta in
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Speaker 5: the UK. This was hard won over centuries. And you're
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Speaker 5: the one abandoning these principles.
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Speaker 4: You are. And we're not allowed to call it out.
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Speaker 5: And by the way, I forgive Europe for having lived
39:10
Speaker 5: through nationalistic wars twice in the 20th century and looking
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Speaker 5: at their neighbors like, what are your ambitions? Do you
39:16
Speaker 5: want to invade our borders? I forgive you for thinking
39:19
Speaker 5: that way because you've lived it. But not everything is
39:22
Speaker 5: a repeat of World War II and not every adversary
39:25
Speaker 5: is Hitler.
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Speaker 4: And so when you sell it to us like.
39:29
Speaker 5: This, we've abandoned you because you're on the verge of
39:31
Speaker 5: another Hitlerian invasion from the East. When you sell it
39:36
Speaker 5: to me like this, I'm not supposed to set aside
39:38
Speaker 5: critical thinking. I don't have to continue to think everything
39:42
Speaker 5: is 1939.
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Speaker 4: I don't have to.
39:44
Speaker 5: Continue to think that it's my job to protect you
39:48
Speaker 5: or else I'm not a member of the West. I
39:50
Speaker 5: think it's perfectly critical thinking and well said by J.D.
39:56
Speaker 5: Vance to go, you are on a project to step
39:59
Speaker 5: away from what has been the West. The West is
40:03
Speaker 5: not just the peace treaties made after World War II.
40:06
Speaker 5: The West is everything built from, I don't know what
40:11
Speaker 5: you were going to pin it on, but the West
40:13
Speaker 5: was started to be built centuries ago and you're stepping
40:16
Speaker 5: away from that in Europe.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I thought that was so, so well put, Will.
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Speaker 1: And this World War II framework that we seem to
40:24
Speaker 1: be just like psyoped into, to me, it almost feels suicidal.
40:29
Speaker 1: Because if we view every single foreign adversary or dictator
40:35
Speaker 1: as Hitler, well, then we have to respond like Hitler
40:37
Speaker 1: every time. And World War II was the worst thing
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Speaker 1: to ever happen in human history.
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Speaker 2: The worst.
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Speaker 1: No one wants a World War III. At least they
40:44
Speaker 1: shouldn't want a World War III. And yet we seem
40:47
Speaker 1: to have leaders in the West, specifically at NATO, who
40:51
Speaker 1: are perfectly willing to frame every single conflict, including Putin,
40:55
Speaker 1: as somehow a Hitler-like dictator and risk really the ruin
41:04
Speaker 1: of the West, the suicide of the West. And there
41:06
Speaker 1: was actually a former Lithuanian foreign minister had a viral
41:10
Speaker 1: tweet about this. He said, it'll take blood, sweat, and tears,
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Speaker 1: but we'll do it again. We'll fight again like we
41:15
Speaker 1: did in World War II. And I just think, what
41:18
Speaker 1: is that mindset? Why would you risk that? Why would
41:21
Speaker 1: you not want to have peace if we can have peace?
41:23
Speaker 1: It just seems like foreign policy-wise.
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Speaker 2: Really unwise.
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Speaker 4: They're all haunted by Neville Chamberlain.
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Speaker 5: They're haunted by what they didn't do at the beginning
41:34
Speaker 5: of the rise of Hitler. And that's why the word
41:37
Speaker 5: appeasement carries so much weight. It's such a It's such
41:42
Speaker 5: a hammer to be thrown down in any conversation, but
41:44
Speaker 5: Vance puts it perfectly. It's not appeasement to engage in
41:48
Speaker 5: statesmanship and diplomacy.
41:50
Speaker 4: It's just not.
41:51
Speaker 5: It's not appeasement to recognize reality. And I don't know
41:55
Speaker 5: what the other side's argument is. It's like, are you
42:00
Speaker 5: selling the American public and the rest of Europe on
42:02
Speaker 5: the idea that if you just fund Ukraine enough, what
42:06
Speaker 5: we'll do is beat back Putin all the way to
42:09
Speaker 5: the pre-borders, the pre-war borders. And maybe even all the
42:13
Speaker 5: way to Moscow and we'll win this thing. I think, A,
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Speaker 5: I don't think it's realistic. And B, I don't think
42:19
Speaker 5: it's an honest sales job that you're giving to the
42:21
Speaker 5: American people.
42:22
Speaker 4: Ask the American people if that's what they want to
42:24
Speaker 4: sign up for. Ask them.
42:25
Speaker 5: Like, this is our goal. This is what we want
42:28
Speaker 5: to accomplish. Lay out those accomplishments and then ask the
42:31
Speaker 5: American people if they're ready to sign up for that.
42:34
Speaker 5: That's a big war with a lot of bloodshed and
42:36
Speaker 5: a lot of expense. Or is that what we want
42:39
Speaker 5: to do here?
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Speaker 4: Or do we.
42:42
Speaker 5: Not enthusiastically, maybe even reluctantly. Acknowledge the current reality and
42:47
Speaker 5: do our best to arrive at peace from the current reality.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned America exporting just like woke rottenness, woke poison abroad.
42:58
Speaker 1: We had like USA dollars going to promoting atheism in
43:03
Speaker 1: Nepal for some reason and like transgender operas in South America.
43:07
Speaker 1: It's really unclear whether how this is promoting American values.
43:09
Speaker 1: And in fact, I'd say it's the opposite of authentic
43:12
Speaker 1: American values. Now, there's been people who say, should we
43:15
Speaker 1: just get rid of USAID?
43:16
Speaker 2: We're just done with it.
43:17
Speaker 1: It's not going to be a thing anymore. Or do
43:20
Speaker 1: we continue to export American culture, but authentic American cultural values?
43:26
Speaker 1: That was what USAID was in the beginning, right? It
43:28
Speaker 1: was created as a sort of a response to the
43:32
Speaker 1: Cold War. And how do we promote capitalism and freedom
43:36
Speaker 1: versus communism that you're having in the Soviet Union. What
43:39
Speaker 1: do you think we do about this? Do we get
43:40
Speaker 1: rid of USAID? Do we not have the sort of
43:42
Speaker 1: state craft arm? Or do we repurpose it for authentic
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Speaker 1: American values?
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Speaker 5: That's a difficult question for me with limited ability to
43:52
Speaker 5: answer it because I've not been behind the walls of
43:55
Speaker 5: our intelligence agencies nor our diplomacy departments to, for example,
44:00
Speaker 5: answer the question of how effective was USAID in exporting
44:03
Speaker 5: American values? Look, I'll acknowledge that's what China's doing. China's
44:06
Speaker 5: doing it in South America, in Central America. They're making
44:09
Speaker 5: business deals with the Belt and Road Initiative. They're securing
44:12
Speaker 5: mineral rights in all of those countries. And they're setting
44:15
Speaker 5: up Chinese cultural centers. So was USAID a precursor to that?
44:21
Speaker 4: The Soviet Union was very successful.
44:23
Speaker 5: Avita, you and I could do an hour, and it
44:24
Speaker 5: would be fascinating on the role the Soviet Union played
44:28
Speaker 5: in setting up sort of the black nationalist movement. how
44:32
Speaker 5: overt Marxist communism played out across the globe, not just
44:36
Speaker 5: in America, but in Africa, in France, and setting up
44:38
Speaker 5: these leaders who preached racial division, but all resting on
44:43
Speaker 5: the premise of Marxism. Like the Soviet Union overtly helped
44:46
Speaker 5: found all that. So was it successful? Should we be
44:48
Speaker 5: doing that same kind of thing and helping prop up
44:51
Speaker 5: American values and propaganda throughout the world?
44:55
Speaker 4: I just don't know. I mean- I think if, how
44:58
Speaker 4: about this?
44:59
Speaker 5: Before we're capable of doing that, we need to be
45:01
Speaker 5: able to defend those values at home.
45:02
Speaker 4: We really do.
45:03
Speaker 5: We have to be an emblem and a symbol of
45:05
Speaker 5: those values here at home. And in a way you
45:08
Speaker 5: could say all that crap that USAID was doing became
45:10
Speaker 5: a symbol of something we were doing at home. So
45:12
Speaker 5: get your home straight and then everyone else can see
45:15
Speaker 5: you as a shining light. Implement our values here and
45:19
Speaker 5: then we can worry about sharing those values across the world.
45:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I actually think that that's very wise. I
45:25
Speaker 1: think we have a lot of work to do here
45:27
Speaker 1: at home. I think we have been eroded culturally and
45:30
Speaker 1: spiritually by Marxism, like you said, infiltrating this country for decades,
45:36
Speaker 1: a rise of secularism. What we view as authentic or
45:39
Speaker 1: we should view as authentic American values is actually not
45:42
Speaker 1: what's being promoted culturally.
45:43
Speaker 2: That needs to change.
45:45
Speaker 1: And once we get our own house in order, then
45:47
Speaker 1: I think we can start preaching to the rest of
45:48
Speaker 1: the world about what the world should be.
45:51
Speaker 5: Go ahead. And Evita, think about the Soviet Union. How
45:53
Speaker 5: did it fall? It fell from within. They were rotten
45:59
Speaker 5: inside while exporting these values externally.
46:02
Speaker 4: And they fell from within.
46:03
Speaker 5: Most people suggest if China falls, that's the way China
46:06
Speaker 5: will fall. It will fall because the people internally don't
46:10
Speaker 5: truly believe this stuff. They're just under the rule of tyranny.
46:12
Speaker 5: And so I would watch China and see, can you
46:15
Speaker 5: build a house with tentacles stretching out across the world,
46:18
Speaker 5: but is sitting on a rotten foundation? We can't be
46:21
Speaker 5: that model as well.
46:23
Speaker 2: So much to think about.
46:24
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for joining me The tech
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46:28
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46:30
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Speaker 4: Well, thank you for that, Evita.
46:46
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