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Speaker 1: Peter Krendland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: And for the last time in twenty twenty four, I'm
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Speaker 3: Kayler Bond, or at least the last time on Sky
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Speaker 3: I will continue to be Cala Bond for the rest
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Speaker 3: of the year. Let's take a look at tonight's top stories.
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Speaker 3: Here's what's coming up on the program. John Persudo's leadership
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Speaker 3: is all but over, with MOI Redeeming blocked from rejoining
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Speaker 3: the Victorian Liberal Party on his casting vote. Keith Pitt
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Speaker 3: announces his retirement from politics. Will talk to him about
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Speaker 3: why shortly. And Peter Dutton challenges Anthony Alberizi to a
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Speaker 3: debate on nuclear energy.
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Speaker 4: I'm happy to challenge the Prime Minister to a debate
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Speaker 4: on nuclear power whenever he wants, but he won't take
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Speaker 4: up that well.
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Speaker 3: Victorian Opposition leader John Persudo signed his own death warrant today.
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Speaker 3: I mean, how thick do you need to be as
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Speaker 3: the man who created this whole moirade deeming sorry saga.
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Speaker 3: He then got toiled up in court as we know
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Speaker 3: because of it. Heninny used his casting vote to keep
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Speaker 3: the thing going for another calendar year now. As you
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Speaker 3: may have heard today, there was a party room vote
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Speaker 3: for the Victorian Liberal Party to readmit MOI redeeming after
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Speaker 3: Pursuito was found to have defamed her in the process
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Speaker 3: of expelling her from the party in twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 3: The vote was split fourteen fourteen, giving Pursuito the casting vote,
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Speaker 3: which he used to block Deeming from coming back to
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Speaker 3: the Libs. That he even thought it appropriate to use
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Speaker 3: his casting vote in that way, given that he is
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Speaker 3: the most conflicted man in the room and it's his
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Speaker 3: fault that they're in this pickle in the first place,
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Speaker 3: shows just how arrogant and politically inept this bloke is.
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Speaker 2: I mean, in.
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Speaker 3: Effect, he voted twice, he was one of the fourteen
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Speaker 3: that voted against it, and then he voted against it again.
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Speaker 2: As soon as that fourteen fourteen vote came through. He
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Speaker 2: was cooked.
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Speaker 3: He should have just done the honorable thing and conceded
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Speaker 3: defeat and used his casting vote to let her back
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Speaker 3: into the party. That was about the only thing he
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Speaker 3: could have done to at least attempt to save his leadership.
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Speaker 3: At least it would have been an admission that he
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Speaker 3: got things wrong and that he's man enough to put
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Speaker 3: them right, but today he chose the low road instead
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Speaker 3: of the high road, and it will cost him his
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Speaker 3: leadership and good riddance. Missus Deeming said in a statement today,
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Speaker 3: as someone who was duly elected to serve in the
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Speaker 3: Liberal parliamentary party room, I am deeply disappointed by the
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Speaker 3: decision by some Liberals today to continue to keep me out,
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Speaker 3: despite a federal court judge ruling that the basis for
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Speaker 3: my expulsion was a lie sold to them by the
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Speaker 3: opposition leader. Because Justice O'Callahan made crystal clear there was
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Speaker 3: never any factual basis for my exclusion, and I believe
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Speaker 3: that the party's chances at coming elections state and federal
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Speaker 3: would be vastly improved if the leader was man enough
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Speaker 3: to apologize and accept me back into the party room
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Speaker 3: from which I should never have been excluded. She said
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Speaker 3: his inability to admit his mistake speaks volumes about his
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Speaker 3: character and fitness for our state's highest office, and that
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Speaker 3: he had significant personal conflict of interest in the outcome today.
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Speaker 3: Today he not only voted against my readmission, but also
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Speaker 3: when the outcome was fourteen fourteen, he used his casting
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Speaker 3: vote to prevent my readmission, thereby effectively voting twice. This
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Speaker 3: is hardly surprising conduct, having regard to his conduct over
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Speaker 3: the last eighteen months, much of which was criticized in
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Speaker 3: the judgment. Now, I don't know whether Pursuito thought this
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Speaker 3: would save his hide, but it won't. I mean, the
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Speaker 3: bloke is so delusional that he said the vote concludes
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Speaker 3: the matter.
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Speaker 5: This concludes the matter of the membership. Ratherwise at the
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Speaker 5: Parliamentary Party, no, I think the matter has been bookended
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Speaker 5: today and today marks the bookend to this discussion here.
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Speaker 3: I mean, seriously, as they say, it ain't over till
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Speaker 3: the fat Lady sings. Now the party is now completely divided,
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Speaker 3: literally down the middle. The Herald Sun State political editor
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Speaker 3: Shannondery post on x Today that supporters of John Pursuito
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Speaker 3: say today's deeming vote will likely precipitate an end to
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Speaker 3: his leadership.
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Speaker 2: That's his supporters. There is a view that a single.
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Speaker 3: Potential challenger now has the numbers to launch a successful spill. However,
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Speaker 3: Pursuto is expected to face increasing pressure to resign. First,
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Speaker 3: the man has cooked himself, and in the process he's
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Speaker 3: cooking the chances of Jasiner Allen being defeated in twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty six. He makes the party look like a rabble.
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Speaker 3: They need to clean the joint out, a unite behind
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Speaker 3: a new leader who can go hammer and tongs into
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Speaker 3: the next election, a leader perhaps that people actually know.
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Speaker 6: You know much about John Pursudo?
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Speaker 5: Nah, have no idea who John Who?
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Speaker 7: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need much about him. So yeah, I
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Speaker 2: think there's a lot of them.
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Speaker 7: When they're in opposition and whatever, they just hide in
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Speaker 7: the background.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 6: Is he local or he's.
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Speaker 5: The state opposition leader?
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Speaker 2: Would you believe?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't like him, presuito. Yeah, I have heard
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Speaker 2: of him. Yeah, I don't like him.
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Speaker 3: Boys making waves that fella. I mean, Victorians are begging
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Speaker 3: for an opposition that they can actually believe in. They've
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Speaker 3: been begging for it for a long time. I can
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Speaker 3: tell you because I was living in Victoria at the
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Speaker 3: time that Daniel Andrews was not a popular man at
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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty two state election, but no one had
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Speaker 3: any confidence in the opposition. They just didn't feel like
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Speaker 3: they could vote for them. At least Andrews, even if
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Speaker 3: he didn't like him, was a leader and the coalition
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Speaker 3: are now ahead of Jacinta Allen's government in the polls,
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Speaker 3: but they have a snowballs chance in hell of ever
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Speaker 3: winning government if they keep behaving like this. So the
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Speaker 3: question is why does he keep digging his heels in?
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Speaker 3: I think James Campbell hit the nail on the head
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Speaker 3: and the Herald's son today he wrote quote, why he
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Speaker 3: has not simply accepted that in this matter the judge's
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Speaker 3: words as final is completely mysterious. Why he is clinging
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Speaker 3: so desperately to his job is a lass less mysterious.
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Speaker 3: On Thursday, the costs order made by Justice David O'Callaghan
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Speaker 3: was made public. It shows that his honor has ordered
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Speaker 3: Pursuito to pay Deeming's legal bills on an indemnity basis
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Speaker 3: for everything she has incurred since last February. On top
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Speaker 3: of that, he has to find the money to pay
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Speaker 3: his own lawyers and the three hundred and fifteen thousand
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Speaker 3: dollars he's been ordered to pay Deeming in damages. With
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Speaker 3: Deeming supporters saying her bills are likely to run close
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Speaker 3: to three million dollars, it's hard to see how Pursuito
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Speaker 3: could be up for anything less than four million dollars
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Speaker 3: and probably a great deal more. It is an understatement
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Speaker 3: to say his chances of finding Bete factors prepared to
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Speaker 3: put their hands in their pocket to get him out
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Speaker 3: of this miss will be greatly improved if he retains
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Speaker 3: the leadership of the Liberal Party. So he's hanging on
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Speaker 3: to his job as opposition leader, not because it's good
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Speaker 3: for the party, but because it's good for him.
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Speaker 2: The absolute arrogance.
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Speaker 3: I mean to think that Deeming offered to settle for
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Speaker 3: one hundred grand and Pursuito said no, and now we're
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Speaker 3: here again.
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Speaker 2: The arrogance.
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Speaker 3: Of course, if he can't pay the money, then he'll
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Speaker 3: have to declare bankruptcy, and then he'll have to leave parliament,
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Speaker 3: because a bankrupt cannot be a member of Parliament. And
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Speaker 3: imagine being so pigheaded in your hatred of a woman
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Speaker 3: in your own party that you split that party down
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Speaker 3: the middle, kill your political career, and then potentially drive
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Speaker 3: yourself into bankruptcy.
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Speaker 2: It is just extraordinary. Perseudo is stuffed with a capital F.
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Speaker 2: If you catch my drift.
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Speaker 3: No matter how much he tries to cling on, his
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Speaker 3: day will come as it should, and I should warn
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Speaker 3: him the longer he hangs on the worse the four
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Speaker 3: will be. Let's get into that and much more now
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Speaker 3: with Michael Kroger, former Victorian Liberal Party president and chief
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Speaker 3: of staff for One Nation James Ashby. Michael, of course
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Speaker 3: you are in Victoria, you're involved with the Victorian Liberal Party,
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Speaker 3: so I must start with you. Today was a bad
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Speaker 3: day for the party.
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Speaker 1: Well, it was a disappointing day. As a former president,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to get into the pros and consert.
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Speaker 1: Obviously it's difficult for me to comment. These are all
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Speaker 1: friends of mine and it's been a difficult day, and
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Speaker 1: if anyonets to make any comment, it's probably best that
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Speaker 1: Phil Davis, our president, makes a comment. But I think
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Speaker 1: I just say this that in the ninety ninety election,
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Speaker 1: and I had the honor of being president, then we
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Speaker 1: won Alan Brown was the state leader, Alan Stockdale with
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Speaker 1: a shadow treasure and the federal election we won nine
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Speaker 1: seats from Labor. In that one election we started with fifteen,
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Speaker 1: whended with twenty four. And the main reason that Andrew
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Speaker 1: Peacock won so many seats, it's not because he was
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Speaker 1: popular on the Hawk was unpopular. It was because the
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Speaker 1: unpopularity of the state Labor government, the Kane Colonel government
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Speaker 1: and the state opposition. You have done a fantastic job
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Speaker 1: in showing the faults the economic disaster of the Cane
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Speaker 1: Kernel government, and people just took baseball bats and clobbord
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Speaker 1: federal labor members. And we have a federal election coming
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Speaker 1: up in a few months and we hope that that
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Speaker 1: environment comes again because we have so many marginal seats here.
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Speaker 1: The difference between Dutton being in minority and majority government
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Speaker 1: depends on Victoria, depends on Kuyong and Goldstein and Chisholm, McEwen,
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Speaker 1: Bruce McNamara, seats like this Hawk doesn't could win the
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Speaker 1: election in his own right in Victoria, but that depends
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Speaker 1: on an attitude not just to alban Easy but to
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Speaker 1: the state labor government.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And the problem here, I think James, is when you're
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Speaker 3: involved in party politics, sometimes you have to put the
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Speaker 3: party before yourself. That is the honorable thing to do,
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Speaker 3: both for the success of the party but the success
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Speaker 3: of the ideology that.
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Speaker 2: You supposedly believe in.
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Speaker 3: And what John Pursuito who is doing here is putting
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Speaker 3: himself in front of the party. That's never a good
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Speaker 3: thing for the party. It essentially says, well, you know,
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Speaker 3: we're not going to form government in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 3: There's no chance of that because we're a rabble and
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Speaker 3: as Michael points out.
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Speaker 2: It hurts their chances at the next federal election.
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Speaker 9: Next to you too, well, you can hear the life
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Speaker 9: has been kicked out of Michael and he's very hesitant
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Speaker 9: to say anything there. And I don't blame him, but
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Speaker 9: I can also empathize with him. Nothing worse than when
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Speaker 9: people make the wrong calls and you, as one of
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Speaker 9: their biggest party supporters, are unable to say anything, mich Like,
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Speaker 9: you know, I feel for you as much as I
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Speaker 9: do for more redeeming here, and I feel for all
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Speaker 9: those people who've stuck by the Liberal Party in Victoria
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Speaker 9: because you know, surely there's a silver lining somewhere in
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Speaker 9: this dark cloud that hangs over that party. The biggest
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Speaker 9: loser here, of course, is Peter Dutton, as Michael's right
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Speaker 9: to point out, because Victoria is a state which requires
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Speaker 9: seats to be won by the Liberal Party. There's no
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Speaker 9: seats to be gained here in Queensland at this moment,
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Speaker 9: unless you're talking about Southeast Queensland, which is going to
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Speaker 9: be very tough for the Liberal Party. So it is
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Speaker 9: states like New South Wales, Victoria, and Western Australia and
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Speaker 9: South Australia that are going to be the focal point
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Speaker 9: for a federal election which is coming up sometime in
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Speaker 9: the early part of next year. And look when I
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Speaker 9: look at this, you know, just it sort of reinforces
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Speaker 9: that belief I've had that Albertezi will be in no
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Speaker 9: great rush to go to a federal election before May.
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Speaker 9: He may go in April, but there's no reason to
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Speaker 9: go to an early election because at this rate there's
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Speaker 9: no way the coalition can win, not when you've got
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Speaker 9: such division within the Liberal Party ranks and they've got
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Speaker 9: a problem down there with this one woman more a Deeming.
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Speaker 8: I would have thought that thirty years.
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Speaker 9: Ago they would have learned their lesson when they kick
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Speaker 9: Pauline Hanson out of the party.
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Speaker 8: It was a bad choice then, and.
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Speaker 9: They're still going after women who stand firm on women's issues.
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Speaker 2: Bad call, super bad indeed.
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Speaker 3: And can I just sw Michael, do you think that
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Speaker 3: Deeming should be allowed back into the party room.
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Speaker 1: So that's a matter for the Parliamentary Party. I don't
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Speaker 1: want to express a view on that public. The state
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Speaker 1: members make those decisions. Obviously I have a view on this.
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Speaker 1: My name's been in the court, my name's been in
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Speaker 1: the court proceedings. But if I say something about this,
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Speaker 1: it'll get on the front page of the papers. It
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Speaker 1: won't help the state or federal Parliamentary party. So I'd
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Speaker 1: prefer not to get involved. And as I said, I'm
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Speaker 1: friendly with most of the state members. My main interest,
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Speaker 1: I suppose, is in making sure that Peter Dutton wins
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Speaker 1: as many suits as you can in Victoria. And everyone's
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Speaker 1: an energy sort would to be director or towards that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we suffer the ignominy of losing cou Yong
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Speaker 1: and Goldstein, and now we've got Tim Wilson running again,
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Speaker 1: who is an outstanding person. Wilson, he's very pro Israel,
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Speaker 1: unlike unlike the Teal member there who has not a
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Speaker 1: friend of the Jewish community. It's the same in Kuyong,
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Speaker 1: where we've got a great young candidate Emilia Hamer. Monique
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Speaker 1: Ryan is not a friend of the Jewish community. This
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Speaker 1: is a big issue in Victoria. These Teals have not
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Speaker 1: been helpful. They're on the wrong side of history. But
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Speaker 1: Hamer and Wilson. Winning depend very much on what the
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Speaker 1: Victorian public's view is of the Liberal Party. What is
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Speaker 1: the brand of the Liberal Party in Victoria. That's what
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Speaker 1: they're voting on. I mean, Dutton's from Queensland, he's the leader, etc.
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Speaker 1: But when you ask people about the Victorian Liberal Party,
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Speaker 1: it's the brand that's important going to this federal election.
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Speaker 1: So I contrast this with nineteen ninety. We saw what
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Speaker 1: happened in ninety ninety. Let's hope the same happens are
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Speaker 1: in March April this year. I think it will be
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Speaker 1: before the budget. I don't think I don't think charmers
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Speaker 1: can deliver another budget. This Blake's a role goal disaster
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Speaker 1: and to come out and say there's one hundred and
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Speaker 1: forty billion dollars worth of deficits coming, Oh my goodness,
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Speaker 1: that'll assure his defeat.
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Speaker 3: But here in Lars the problem that the party is divided.
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Speaker 3: While I'm talking about division, Keith Pitt announced his retirement
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Speaker 3: from politics today and I'll be talking to him in
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Speaker 3: fifteen minutes, so stick.
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Speaker 2: Around for that.
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Speaker 3: But he was quite critical of his National's leader David
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Speaker 3: Little Proud today in the direction of the party. He
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Speaker 3: told The Australian. I just think there's been a shift
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Speaker 3: in terms of policy positions that is sold as discipline,
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Speaker 3: but it's more about obedience. Our job is to win
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Speaker 3: regional seats and represent those people and focus on their priorities,
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Speaker 3: not to win seats in the inner cities in Sydney,
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Speaker 3: Melbourne and Brisbane. James, do you agree.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's a shame it's Keith pet going and not
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Speaker 9: Michelle Landry, because she's one of the reasons why the
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Speaker 9: National Party went down the path of supporting Net zero.
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Speaker 8: She was the casting vote.
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Speaker 9: She lives in a central Queensland seat where I am
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Speaker 9: here in Yapoon, and yet she voted against the very
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Speaker 9: people she's supposed to represent in the mining sector and
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Speaker 9: agriculture sector. So I think the wrong person's gone here. Sadly,
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Speaker 9: I think that he won't be the last one. My
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Speaker 9: bold prediction will be there will be another Queen's Land
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Speaker 9: member of this coalition that will go, maybe not before
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Speaker 9: this election, but before their terms up, and I think
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Speaker 9: they'll be from the Senate. I've got a big, big,
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Speaker 9: big strong feeling it's going to be Matt Canavan, because
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Speaker 9: again he's down that same line now Keith Pitt excellent
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Speaker 9: minister at the time he took over from Matt Canavan.
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Speaker 9: I know there's deep frustrations within that party because the
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Speaker 9: National Party have lost their way here on a state level,
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Speaker 9: the National Party failed to exist. It's only federally with
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Speaker 9: a small handful of them Colin Boyce, Keith Pitt and
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Speaker 9: effectively Matt Canavan that make up the National Party here
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Speaker 9: in Queensland, and they're down now one. They lost the
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Speaker 9: seat of Bunderberg. It should have been a sure win
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Speaker 9: at the recent Queensland election and I'm not so sure
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Speaker 9: they're going to be able to retain the seed of
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Speaker 9: Hinkler with him gone, because this is a bad move again.
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Speaker 9: Who's the biggest loser here, Peter Dutton and Keith Pitt.
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Speaker 9: You know, he's made it very clear, but he thinks
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Speaker 9: of the leadership within the Nats on a federal level.
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Speaker 8: He's not alone.
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Speaker 9: I know that there are other senior members that think
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Speaker 9: that David Little Proud should go and he doesn't stand
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Speaker 9: up to Peter Dutton or the Liberals when decisions are
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Speaker 9: made that go against those in regional Queensland, all regional
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Speaker 9: parts of this country. And as for Susan McDonald, who
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Speaker 9: is the current Shadow Minister for Mining. I'm sorry but
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Speaker 9: I don't have a great deal of confidence in her.
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Speaker 9: Keith Pitt should have been on that front bench representing
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Speaker 9: that mining industry in opposition, and instead they've led a
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Speaker 9: woman that really has no experience in the area take
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Speaker 9: the reins and I think she's failing the National Party
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Speaker 9: as well as the Coalition and it's not going to
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Speaker 9: help them win government.
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Speaker 3: Well, Michael, of course you come from the other side
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Speaker 3: of the coalition, which is the Liberal Party. I think
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Speaker 3: this is one of the problems for the coalition is
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Speaker 3: the push and pull of of course, seats have been
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Speaker 3: lost in the inner city to Teal, so what do
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Speaker 3: you potentially do about that? But then you've also got
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Speaker 3: to think about the regions where where the Nats are
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Speaker 3: running and they are thoroughly affected by things like renewable
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Speaker 3: energy because that's where all these projects are going on
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Speaker 3: and they're losing their coalfard power stations etc. How is
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Speaker 3: the coalition as a coalition meant to properly balance both
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Speaker 3: of those problems.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's difficult, but I think Dutton's done an outstanding job.
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Speaker 1: In my lifetime I haven't seen the federal parliamentary Coalition
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Speaker 1: or Liberal Party for a start, as united as it
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Speaker 1: is now. And the coalition is very united. I'm disappointed
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Speaker 1: that keyse going. I don't know him, but I've met
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Speaker 1: him a couple of times, but I always thought he
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Speaker 1: was an outstanding contributor on Sky. I think he'll be
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Speaker 1: a loss. It's a pity he's not on the front bench.
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Speaker 1: I think he'll be a big loss to the National Party.
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Speaker 1: But you know, let's be Frank Dutton is united the
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Speaker 1: party and I go back. I joined in nineteen to
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Speaker 1: seventy three. My first election was for John Gorton in
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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine. I don't think I've ever seen the
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Speaker 1: party as united or the coalition is united. I mean
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Speaker 1: it was very that's very close coalition under Howard and
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Speaker 1: under under Under it was close under Fraser. But I
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Speaker 1: think the coalition is very united. So as for balancing
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Speaker 1: that with the teal seats, well, of course, you know,
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Speaker 1: you look at the teal seats. I'm wondering whether I'm
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Speaker 1: wondering whether there is a lot of buyers remorts in
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Speaker 1: these teal seats. Certainly in Melbourne, people are thinking we
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Speaker 1: swapped Josh Freedenberg, who had a say in the running
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Speaker 1: of the country, for Mony Ryan. We swapped Tim Wilson,
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Speaker 1: who was clearly going to be a minister for Zali Stegel,
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Speaker 1: you know, for Zoey whatever in Goldstein. You know, I
18:46
Speaker 1: wonder if that's around the country people thinking, you know,
18:50
Speaker 1: is that, you know, have we have we gained in
18:52
Speaker 1: our seat or have we lost influence? I think they've
18:54
Speaker 1: lost influence dramatically.
18:55
Speaker 3: Well, that is true. I'm not sure that the Teals
18:58
Speaker 3: time is over. I think that's probably another election away.
19:00
Speaker 3: But eventually, I think a lot of these people will
19:02
Speaker 3: have the gold were off of them. Four of the
19:05
Speaker 3: five remaining members of the Bali nine have left Darwin
19:08
Speaker 3: now for their home states, where of course they'll be
19:11
Speaker 3: home with their families for Christmas. I'm sure they will
19:14
Speaker 3: enjoy that. Though those who don't have family members here
19:17
Speaker 3: because they died because of heroin, they won't be around
19:20
Speaker 3: for Christmas. But here's what Albanezy had to say.
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Speaker 7: Today is time for the Barley five to have come home.
19:29
Speaker 7: They committed a serious crime, they paid a serious price
19:34
Speaker 7: for that crime, and it is a message as well
19:38
Speaker 7: a reminder of people out there traveling that Australians are
19:48
Speaker 7: subject to the laws of countries they are in.
19:53
Speaker 3: Now, the AFP were apparently threatening journalists photographing them going
19:57
Speaker 3: through Darwin Airport, which is a bit bizarre, and I've
20:00
Speaker 3: been critical all weak of them being brought back to Australia,
20:03
Speaker 3: but again, here you have convicted drug smugglers in taxpayer
20:07
Speaker 3: funded clothes, with taxpayer funded security, being put on taxpayer
20:12
Speaker 3: funded flights and then bundled into taxpayer funded cars while
20:17
Speaker 3: people can't buy their kids Christmas presents next week.
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Speaker 2: James.
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Speaker 9: It's a bad message to send, isn't it, particularly to
20:27
Speaker 9: young travelers who may be considering heading overseas, because we
20:31
Speaker 9: have this false impression that because we can almost get
20:34
Speaker 9: away with anything in this country, our government will look
20:37
Speaker 9: after Australians who do the wrong thing overseas if they're
20:40
Speaker 9: caught doing things like drugs or crimes of any sort
20:46
Speaker 9: in other countries.
20:47
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, you.
20:49
Speaker 9: Are a representative of this nation. When you go overseas,
20:52
Speaker 9: you are to behave yourself, because otherwise we shouldn't be
20:55
Speaker 9: bailing these people out.
20:56
Speaker 3: Now.
20:56
Speaker 9: I know they've spent close to twenty years in a
20:58
Speaker 9: very harsh environment. Their prison's over in Bali and nothing
21:02
Speaker 9: like ours. They don't have gyms, and they don't have TVs,
21:04
Speaker 9: and they certainly don't have the air conditioning. It's a
21:07
Speaker 9: tough road to slog out for twenty years or do
21:09
Speaker 9: a life sentence in there. And I'm not suggesting that
21:12
Speaker 9: Indonesia should change the way in which they deter their criminals.
21:16
Speaker 9: But when we have a government that have brought home
21:19
Speaker 9: not just the Balley nine, but other criminals from overseas
21:22
Speaker 9: that should have faced the consequences for their actions, it
21:24
Speaker 9: sends a really blurry message to those that want to
21:27
Speaker 9: go over and do the wrong thing. It just gives
21:29
Speaker 9: all Australians a bad name.
21:31
Speaker 8: And look, there's.
21:32
Speaker 9: Going to be five families probably quite relieved to see
21:35
Speaker 9: their loved ones home. But look, I feel I've said
21:38
Speaker 9: it before. I've got mixed reactions to this. I know
21:40
Speaker 9: there's a lot of people upset at the fact they
21:43
Speaker 9: were even brought back in the first place. But to
21:45
Speaker 9: see them get all these government assistance and financial assistance
21:50
Speaker 9: to bring them home, I think they owe a debt
21:52
Speaker 9: to the Australian society as well for what we've done
21:55
Speaker 9: in recent weeks.
21:56
Speaker 3: As a bizarre story, Michael. Today in the Courier Mail.
22:00
Speaker 3: This is out of Queensland, but I suspect it to
22:02
Speaker 3: be the same in Victoria, where we know you've had
22:03
Speaker 3: problems with the CFMU. They're reporting that CFMU members who
22:08
Speaker 3: find themselves in imminent danger quote unquote may be able
22:12
Speaker 3: to spit, swear, threaten or strike their attacker on Queensland
22:17
Speaker 3: construction sites if the action is done in self defense.
22:21
Speaker 3: Now this is apparently because they've had bikies rocking up
22:24
Speaker 3: to construction sites and putting the heavies on CFMEU members
22:29
Speaker 3: in recent weeks, and so the members have gone off
22:32
Speaker 3: to the union and said, well, what rights do we
22:34
Speaker 3: have to defend ourselves here? I mean, it just proves
22:37
Speaker 3: once again. And of course Jacinta Allen was talking this
22:40
Speaker 3: week about the CFMU in your state, Michael, but it
22:43
Speaker 3: just shows what a bunch of thugs this union really are.
22:48
Speaker 8: Yeah.
22:49
Speaker 1: First of all, Zoe Daniel was the name I was
22:50
Speaker 1: looking for the member for Golds, then current member for Golds.
22:53
Speaker 1: Then mate, look at it this way, look at it
22:55
Speaker 1: this way. The building the commercial building constructions sector in
23:00
Speaker 1: this country, particularly in Melbourne and Sydney, in recent decades
23:03
Speaker 1: has been a lawless state. It has been disgraceful. I
23:07
Speaker 1: know builders who are no longer building developers no longer
23:11
Speaker 1: developing in Melbourne and Sydney and the CBD because of
23:14
Speaker 1: all the things you're talking about, thuggery, blackmail, violence, threats,
23:17
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. They just walked away. Where have
23:20
Speaker 1: the police been, Where have the state government's been, who
23:23
Speaker 1: largely regulate these building sites. Where have they been? Absolutely
23:26
Speaker 1: m Ia is usual, and so what we're seeing in Australia,
23:30
Speaker 1: as we're seeing around the world in various ways, the
23:33
Speaker 1: West is self correcting these extreme in one hundred ways.
23:36
Speaker 1: You are seeing these extremes coming back to the center
23:40
Speaker 1: where you've had lawlessness on building sites. Even a labor
23:43
Speaker 1: government's decided that's got to stop. And it's not before time.
23:47
Speaker 1: It's not before time. This has been going on for decades.
23:50
Speaker 1: And if we can clean up we in clean up
23:52
Speaker 1: building sites in Melbourne, Sydney, that would be fantastic for
23:54
Speaker 1: this country.
23:55
Speaker 3: Quickly, James, before we get to a break. We saw
23:57
Speaker 3: that bizarre attack ad on nuclear from lay yesterday saying
24:00
Speaker 3: oh you'll get cancer if they build nuclear reactors. Well,
24:04
Speaker 3: Peter Dutton went nuclear today when he was asked about it.
24:08
Speaker 2: Take a look.
24:10
Speaker 4: If there is a security or a safety concern, the
24:13
Speaker 4: Prime Minister should front the Australian people today because there
24:16
Speaker 4: will be a lot of concern within the defense community
24:18
Speaker 4: that the government signed them up to a technology that's
24:20
Speaker 4: not safe.
24:21
Speaker 8: Of course that's not the case.
24:23
Speaker 4: I'm happy to challenge the Prime Minister to a debate
24:26
Speaker 4: or nuclear power whenever he wants, but he won't take
24:29
Speaker 4: up that because when you see images of the Prime
24:32
Speaker 4: minister you know that he's i think scared at the moment.
24:36
Speaker 3: And then Albanize said today that he wouldn't be having
24:38
Speaker 3: any debates with Dutton. Funny about that, isn't it, James.
24:44
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's extremely weak of the Prime Minister not to
24:47
Speaker 9: be able to step up and have a debate with
24:49
Speaker 9: Peter Dutton. And it's not just for Peter Dutton. This
24:52
Speaker 9: is for the sake of the country. There's a lot
24:54
Speaker 9: of people out there voters that want to hear a
24:56
Speaker 9: debate on this. But equally as concerning is the fact
24:59
Speaker 9: that the Deputy Premier here in Queensland, Jared Blay is
25:02
Speaker 9: equally as opposed to nuclear a plan that his own
25:06
Speaker 9: party federally are trying to back. Peter Dutton has got
25:10
Speaker 9: people within his own ranks trying to destroy his chances
25:14
Speaker 9: of trying to become Prime Minister of this country. And
25:16
Speaker 9: I wouldn't be so worried about what Anthony Albanezi has
25:19
Speaker 9: to say. I'd be more worried about what the Deputy
25:21
Speaker 9: Premier in Queensland has to say about nuclear and the
25:24
Speaker 9: efforts of his federal counterparts. Just disgusting to see the
25:28
Speaker 9: division within the Liberal Party, not just in Victoria but
25:31
Speaker 9: Queensland here against their federal counterparts.
25:33
Speaker 2: Just a shame, very fair point.
25:34
Speaker 3: James Ashbury, Michael Kroger, Merry Christmas to you both. Coming
25:37
Speaker 3: up next, National z MP Keith Pitt joins me to
25:40
Speaker 3: talk about his retirement and the future of the Nationals
25:43
Speaker 3: Party stick around. Well, the Coalition is going to lose
25:49
Speaker 3: an important voice for rural and regional Australia with Keith
25:52
Speaker 3: pet announcing today that he's retiring from politics. And you
25:56
Speaker 3: at home would have seen a lot of Keith here
25:57
Speaker 3: on Sky over the years because he's been a big
26:00
Speaker 3: advocate for nuclear energy and of course what's good for
26:02
Speaker 3: regional Australians. He said today that for the Nationals to
26:06
Speaker 3: maintain their purpose, they had to dump Knit zero and
26:10
Speaker 3: to do that, you've got to separate from your brothers
26:13
Speaker 3: and sisters in the Liberal Party because they have on
26:15
Speaker 3: occasions different views to us. And of his leader David
26:19
Speaker 3: little Proud, he said, we clearly have very different views
26:22
Speaker 3: on what's the priority in direction for the Nationals. Keith
26:26
Speaker 3: joins me. Now, Keith May, I first say, why the
26:29
Speaker 3: hell are you going? I mean, we need you now
26:31
Speaker 3: more than ever. How could you do this to us?
26:36
Speaker 10: Both very generous introduction, Caleb, and I'm not retiring.
26:40
Speaker 8: I'm just going to do something else.
26:41
Speaker 10: And even though ninety nine point nine percent of my
26:43
Speaker 10: electorate think I get a parliamentary pensiant, which I don't
26:47
Speaker 10: no such thing anymore. I just have to go back
26:49
Speaker 10: and continue working to pay the mortgage like everyone else.
26:52
Speaker 3: Indeed, so you've been offered a job els for I
26:54
Speaker 3: know you're not going to tell us what that is
26:56
Speaker 3: just yet, but obviously it was enough to lure you
26:59
Speaker 3: away from politics.
27:03
Speaker 10: Oh well, I'm certainly in discussions about opportunities, and I've
27:06
Speaker 10: always been someone when the door of opportunity cracks over
27:09
Speaker 10: and I try and drive a bus through it. And
27:11
Speaker 10: I've changed careers a number of times over the years.
27:14
Speaker 10: I'm electrician by trade, an engineer by profession. I had
27:17
Speaker 10: farms and I'm still a farmer at heart, a small
27:19
Speaker 10: business and a pile of other things. And I've been
27:21
Speaker 10: in this position now for eleven years and it's been
27:25
Speaker 10: a great privilege to serve the people at Inkler in
27:27
Speaker 10: the Federal Parliament.
27:28
Speaker 8: I've had some extraordinary opportunities.
27:31
Speaker 10: It's a tough environment, it's a weird place to work.
27:35
Speaker 10: I'd like to say I've loved every minute, but that
27:36
Speaker 10: would be untrue. But I've been very happy fighting for
27:39
Speaker 10: the people that send me there to do what's right
27:41
Speaker 10: by them.
27:41
Speaker 3: Well as an electrician, we could deal with a few
27:44
Speaker 3: more brad sparks in politics.
27:45
Speaker 2: I think it needs to.
27:46
Speaker 3: Be said, but how much of what you've said today
27:49
Speaker 3: about issues with the Nationals and perhaps the closeness of
27:54
Speaker 3: them to the Liberal Party and the Coalition played into
27:57
Speaker 3: your decision to leave politics.
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Speaker 8: Ah?
28:02
Speaker 10: Well, if you ask my wife, she's been asking me
28:05
Speaker 10: to give this up every week since I came into it.
28:07
Speaker 10: So that's a fair bit of pressure from other places.
28:11
Speaker 10: But my issues have always been around policies. They're not
28:13
Speaker 10: around personalities, They're not around individuals. It's around trying to
28:17
Speaker 10: ensure that the decisions that we take in the Federal
28:20
Speaker 10: Parliament are firstly in the national interest but secontly in
28:22
Speaker 10: the interest of the people that I represent. And when
28:25
Speaker 10: it comes to regional seats, it's generally the ones with
28:28
Speaker 10: the least to contribute, So anything that impacts their bottom line,
28:31
Speaker 10: that makes their life harder, well you generally find I
28:34
Speaker 10: oppose it.
28:35
Speaker 3: Has it become difficult do you think to advocate for
28:38
Speaker 3: those people within the National's Party as it is now?
28:44
Speaker 10: I looked as a lot of very strong voices in
28:46
Speaker 10: the National Party, as there has been for one hundred years,
28:48
Speaker 10: and I'm sure there'll be one dred for one hundred
28:50
Speaker 10: years into the future. But when we have a difference
28:53
Speaker 10: of opinion, that's nothing unusual, and to be honest, it's
28:55
Speaker 10: healthy for the debate.
28:56
Speaker 8: If you want to get good outcomes in.
28:58
Speaker 10: Terms of policy, you do have to push them around,
29:00
Speaker 10: and you do have to look at what opportunities might
29:02
Speaker 10: exist and what other things you could do that might
29:04
Speaker 10: make it work better. If we're all there to sit
29:07
Speaker 10: around and not our heads and furious agreement.
29:09
Speaker 8: Well, get someone else. That's never been something I've been
29:12
Speaker 8: supportive of.
29:13
Speaker 10: And I'd like to think that I've done my best
29:15
Speaker 10: by the people that I represent. But mate, it's time
29:18
Speaker 10: time comes for all of us, and now it's mine.
29:21
Speaker 3: Well, you talked today about the purpose of the Nationals
29:24
Speaker 3: and that for that purpose to remain there, you have
29:27
Speaker 3: to stand up for people in rural and regional Australia
29:31
Speaker 3: and that means things like you know, not getting on.
29:34
Speaker 2: Board with net zero.
29:36
Speaker 3: Is there a risk that the Nationals in its current form,
29:40
Speaker 3: if it keeps backing things like net zero, does lose
29:44
Speaker 3: that purpose and essentially becomes a moot force in Australian politics.
29:51
Speaker 10: Well, if you look at the Federal Constitution of the Nationals,
29:54
Speaker 10: they literally state that they're a center right party, that
29:56
Speaker 10: they support the monarchy, they support Juday, a Christian is
30:00
Speaker 10: in society, and there is nothing wrong with any of that.
30:04
Speaker 10: But ultimately, you have to get people to vote for you,
30:06
Speaker 10: and to do that, you've got to do things that
30:08
Speaker 10: matter to them.
30:09
Speaker 8: You've got to demonstrate that you.
30:10
Speaker 10: Will always act in their interests, and that happens pretty
30:13
Speaker 10: much all of the time, I've got to say, but
30:16
Speaker 10: there are times where we should have a difference of
30:18
Speaker 10: opinion because what's best for inner city Sydney or Melbourne
30:22
Speaker 10: is not necessarily best for those hard working members in
30:25
Speaker 10: culified power stations for example, or in the resources sector.
30:28
Speaker 8: And guess where they work. Well, generally they work in
30:31
Speaker 8: the regions.
30:32
Speaker 10: Other occasions they work in big cities like Brisbane, but
30:35
Speaker 10: ultimately their ways, their ability to pay their mortgage and
30:37
Speaker 10: educate their kids comes from the resources sector. And that's
30:40
Speaker 10: why we should be strong, not only for them, but
30:42
Speaker 10: for agriculture and all the things that make our country great.
30:45
Speaker 8: And there's nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
30:47
Speaker 3: Of Course you say that you have no issue with people,
30:50
Speaker 3: it's with policy, but of course certain people drive certain policies,
30:54
Speaker 3: and as you said today, clearly there are differences between
30:58
Speaker 3: you and your leader and what you think the priorities
31:01
Speaker 3: and policies of the party ought to be for the
31:04
Speaker 3: Nationals to be the party that you would like it
31:06
Speaker 3: to be. Do you think Little Proud needs to be
31:09
Speaker 3: replaced as leader, because of course you know this time
31:12
Speaker 3: next year he could well be Deputy Prime minister.
31:18
Speaker 10: Oh I had the carlistion wins. I genuinely do. I
31:20
Speaker 10: think Peter Dunton will make a great prime minister. The
31:23
Speaker 10: leader of the National Party is up to the room.
31:25
Speaker 10: I've got no comments on that. I'll let others make
31:27
Speaker 10: whatever comment they choose. But I want them to be strong.
31:31
Speaker 10: I want them to act in the interests of the
31:32
Speaker 10: people they represent. I want them to be successful. But
31:36
Speaker 10: most importantly, I want the people of regional Australia to
31:38
Speaker 10: have every possible opportunity that they can be given. And
31:42
Speaker 10: we see with the Labor government things are really quite difficult,
31:46
Speaker 10: whether you're in the regions or elsewhere. They simply can't
31:49
Speaker 10: afford to live and no matter keep their business operational.
31:52
Speaker 10: They matter have confidence to borrow money and invest. And
31:55
Speaker 10: I want our nation to be strong, Caleb. And to
31:57
Speaker 10: do that, we've got to have strong energy systems.
32:00
Speaker 8: We've got to have.
32:01
Speaker 10: Affordable and reliable energy in gas, because without it, manufacturing
32:04
Speaker 10: will leave this country in droves, and that is bad
32:08
Speaker 10: for the nation. It's bad for our national security, and
32:10
Speaker 10: it's bad for the people I represent in particular.
32:13
Speaker 3: Indeed, and of course you know, without you there, I
32:15
Speaker 3: suppose we're losing one of those big voices for rural
32:18
Speaker 3: and regional Australia, and we're also we will lose a
32:21
Speaker 3: big voice for nuclear Now, of course that's something you've
32:24
Speaker 3: fought for for a long time. It has now been
32:26
Speaker 3: adopted as a policy position of the coalition. That must
32:31
Speaker 3: be on your way out. One of the proudest things
32:34
Speaker 3: you can say that you've at least had a hand
32:37
Speaker 3: in helping make that an official policy that will be
32:39
Speaker 3: taken to an election.
32:43
Speaker 8: This might be a surprise, mate, and it's not.
32:45
Speaker 10: I'm actually very pleased they've taken on a bold position.
32:48
Speaker 10: But the things I'm most proud of as a member
32:50
Speaker 10: of Parliament is you get to help people. And ninety
32:55
Speaker 10: percent of the work of my office is literally helping
32:57
Speaker 10: people in difficult positions, whether it's out veterans, whether it's pensioners,
33:01
Speaker 10: whether the people can't pay their bills. And you know,
33:04
Speaker 10: I can recall any number of occasions where the outcomes
33:07
Speaker 10: would never have happened without the work of my office.
33:10
Speaker 8: And that's why I'm in politics. Yes, it's good to
33:12
Speaker 8: be involved.
33:13
Speaker 10: In the national decisions and the national discussion and all
33:15
Speaker 10: the things at being a member of Parliament, but ultimately
33:18
Speaker 10: our job here is to represent people, and we've had
33:21
Speaker 10: wins with the Tax Office, with immigration, with visas, with pensions,
33:26
Speaker 10: with veterans, and that is actually what matters, and they're
33:29
Speaker 10: the things that I'm most proud of.
33:31
Speaker 3: Well, Keith Pitt will still have some more time with
33:33
Speaker 3: you yet until the next federal election, so you won't
33:35
Speaker 3: be going anywhere until then. Merry Christmas to you, Keith,
33:38
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me. Coming up after
33:40
Speaker 3: the break, A school in Melbourne has canceled Mothers and
33:43
Speaker 3: Father's Day.
33:45
Speaker 2: Where will it end that more after the break?
33:52
Speaker 3: Now, you'd better stop calling yourself a mum or a
33:54
Speaker 3: dad because apparently even that is now offensive. There's a
33:59
Speaker 3: Melbourne called Early Childhood Management Services. It sounds a bit clinical,
34:04
Speaker 3: doesn't it, but they have dozens of kindergartens and childcare centers.
34:07
Speaker 3: Will they wrote to parents or whatever they actually are
34:10
Speaker 3: now maybe they're not parents, I don't know, but they
34:13
Speaker 3: wrote to them yesterday saying that next year there will
34:15
Speaker 3: be no Mother's Day or Father's Day being celebrated.
34:18
Speaker 2: Instead there will be a family Day.
34:22
Speaker 3: Saint Helena Preschool in Eltham North sent out an email
34:25
Speaker 3: that read children will be encouraged to express gratitude and
34:29
Speaker 3: recognize those who play a supportive role in their lives.
34:33
Speaker 3: We won't be holding titled celebrations like Mother's or Father's Day,
34:38
Speaker 3: but we will have a fabulous family Day celebration. And
34:42
Speaker 3: of course their boss Kier and Kenny said that it
34:44
Speaker 3: was for inclusion and that this isn't just a micro issue.
34:48
Speaker 3: This is recognizing that family means different things to different
34:51
Speaker 3: people in different communities. For heavens, let's bring in Sky
34:55
Speaker 3: News host Anika to Georgio and Radio two Double C
34:58
Speaker 3: host Stephen Sennatiempo. I mean, danik On, we can't have
35:02
Speaker 3: Mother's Day or Father's Day anymore. I don't know, maybe
35:07
Speaker 3: because one kid's got two mums or two dads and
35:10
Speaker 3: they feel like, seriously, I can't explain it, can you?
35:15
Speaker 5: Oh no, I can't explain it either, Caleber And you
35:17
Speaker 5: know where does it end?
35:18
Speaker 2: Is it? You know?
35:19
Speaker 5: This time next year? Are we allowed to say Merry Christmas?
35:21
Speaker 2: Is that next to where?
35:25
Speaker 5: Seriously? Well, this is where it's heading. This is where
35:27
Speaker 5: it's heading, Caleb. And you know, I've got to say,
35:29
Speaker 5: I honestly believe not one parent at that pre school,
35:33
Speaker 5: a primary school didn't even make a complaint. I'm willing
35:36
Speaker 5: to say no parent made a complain that they were
35:39
Speaker 5: offended by Mother's Day or Father's Day. This is just
35:43
Speaker 5: a woke decision by the boss of this primary school.
35:47
Speaker 5: Instead of saying, you know, what are our priorities for
35:49
Speaker 5: next year? How can we make the classrooms better? How
35:51
Speaker 5: can we make learning better? They've gone down this woke pathway.
35:55
Speaker 5: But I'm sick to death, Caleb of pre schools being
35:59
Speaker 5: politician like this. We've seen it when you know they're
36:02
Speaker 5: forced to apologize to the stolen generation they're seeing about
36:05
Speaker 5: the gadagaul land. Let children be children and let mothers
36:10
Speaker 5: and fathers have their special day, because I truly believe
36:13
Speaker 5: that being a mother, a father, a guardian for that matter,
36:17
Speaker 5: is the best job on this earth. And I'm sick
36:19
Speaker 5: to death of them trying to cancel and erase everything.
36:23
Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned Merry Christmas and you're in Perth at
36:26
Speaker 3: the moment, Aneka. I was listening to six PR, which
36:28
Speaker 3: you call broadcast out of Perth this morning and someone
36:31
Speaker 3: called up and said, look, let me say Merry Christmas
36:34
Speaker 3: before they ban me from doing so next year.
36:36
Speaker 2: So you know, we may well be going down that line.
36:38
Speaker 3: But Stephen, at least there is still you know, mother's
36:42
Speaker 3: day or father's or family day as it will now
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Speaker 3: be for now, because of course, once we follow all
36:47
Speaker 3: of this to its natural conclusion, there will be no
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Speaker 3: family at all. It will be the government running your children.
36:53
Speaker 3: And then I don't know every day's government day, then.
36:55
Speaker 2: Isn't it.
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Speaker 6: Well, let me first say, Caleb and Daneka, happy Festivus. Look,
37:02
Speaker 6: look there is an well and you know what we should.
37:05
Speaker 6: We should do away with the English language because words
37:08
Speaker 6: don't matter anymore. Family doesn't mean what it means in
37:10
Speaker 6: the dictionary, mother doesn't mean what it means. Father doesn't
37:13
Speaker 6: mean what it means. Let's just do away with English
37:15
Speaker 6: and will speak esperanto or something. I continue, one inalienable fact.
37:20
Speaker 6: Every single child at every single one of these daycare
37:22
Speaker 6: centers had a mother and a father, simple as that.
37:26
Speaker 2: So all of this rubbish that they.
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Speaker 8: Go on there.
37:30
Speaker 2: Don't bring facts into it. It does my head in.
37:33
Speaker 3: I think it does, everyone's heading, doesn't it. It's just
37:36
Speaker 3: the the woke virtue signaling bosses.
37:40
Speaker 2: Oh great idea.
37:41
Speaker 8: This.
37:42
Speaker 3: No one asked for it, no one wants it, and
37:44
Speaker 3: anyone who does ask for it or want it is
37:47
Speaker 3: so thick they shouldn't even be listened to now. I
37:49
Speaker 3: mean this is a bit like canceling Christmas. The New
37:52
Speaker 3: Year's fireworks in Sydney could be off now we know
37:55
Speaker 3: that the rail union is holding the government to ransom
37:58
Speaker 3: at the moment and their planning to go on strike
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Speaker 3: on New Year's Eve. So the New South Wales Police
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Speaker 3: Commissioner said today that she would cancel the fireworks if
38:07
Speaker 3: she had to, because she doesn't think that things can
38:10
Speaker 3: be done safely if the trains don't run here.
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Speaker 11: She was I haven't ruled out that I will recommend
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Speaker 11: to government that we cancel the fireworks.
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Speaker 8: Each year.
38:21
Speaker 11: We police New Year's Eve on the basis that two
38:24
Speaker 11: hundred and fifty thousand people can come into the city
38:27
Speaker 11: and then safely leave the city. Leaving the city is
38:31
Speaker 11: based on access to transport, including trains, and if trains
38:35
Speaker 11: aren't available and people can't leave the city.
38:38
Speaker 8: I have very.
38:40
Speaker 11: Large concerns of the risk that will create to the public.
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Speaker 3: What an absurd situation, Deneka, Look, it.
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Speaker 5: Is an observed situation, Caleb. A few points on this. Firstly,
38:52
Speaker 5: the union has got this state labor government over a
38:55
Speaker 5: barrel because a couple of weeks ago we were threatened
38:58
Speaker 5: with rail strikes the entire week Ken was going to
39:00
Speaker 5: be a knockout, and now we have a situation where
39:03
Speaker 5: New Year's Eve they could also strike on this day
39:06
Speaker 5: as well. Now, as a commuter, as a person who
39:09
Speaker 5: does use public transport, you're left thinking to yourself, well,
39:12
Speaker 5: hang on, how am I supposed to be getting from
39:14
Speaker 5: A to B or how am I supposed to commute?
39:17
Speaker 5: When the rail union has constantly got this labor government,
39:21
Speaker 5: they're holding it ransom. And I just want to point
39:23
Speaker 5: out this is the union is seeking a thirty two
39:26
Speaker 5: percent pay rise over four years and a thirty five
39:29
Speaker 5: hour working week. They want to drop back their hours.
39:32
Speaker 5: Now the labor government said, well, we'll give you nine
39:34
Speaker 5: point five percent rise over the next three years. The
39:37
Speaker 5: union has no chance. They are kidding themselves. I don't
39:40
Speaker 5: often agree with the new South Wales Police Commissioner Caleb,
39:43
Speaker 5: but I've got to say I think she should stick
39:45
Speaker 5: to her guns here, back this union into a corner
39:49
Speaker 5: and show them up for the idiots that they are,
39:52
Speaker 5: because they are causing a lot of damage. This is
39:54
Speaker 5: a ninety eight billion a million dollar threat rather to
39:57
Speaker 5: the economy. So back them into a corner and let's
40:00
Speaker 5: see who's happy at the end of this.
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Speaker 3: Well, let's be completely frank, here's Stephen. The likelihood that
40:05
Speaker 3: the fireworks in Sydney or New Year's Eve are going
40:08
Speaker 3: to be canceled is extremely slim. But this is exactly
40:12
Speaker 3: what the Premier, Chris Mins needed, because of course the
40:16
Speaker 3: state government is fighting all of this through court at
40:18
Speaker 3: the moment. They want to stop this strike action and
40:21
Speaker 3: they're going to walk into court next week and say, well,
40:24
Speaker 3: if this strike goes ahead, we'll have to cancel the
40:27
Speaker 3: New Year's Eve fireworks. This is the smoking gun that
40:30
Speaker 3: they want to be able to take into a courtroom
40:32
Speaker 3: to stop this from going ahead.
40:34
Speaker 8: Yeah.
40:34
Speaker 6: Absolutely, And I agree with Denika. I think curen Web's
40:37
Speaker 6: been a terrible police commissioner, but I think she's between
40:40
Speaker 6: a rock and a hard place here, And the reality
40:42
Speaker 6: is that the Premier should have come out and said
40:44
Speaker 6: this before the police commissioner did. I mean, this government
40:47
Speaker 6: has bent over to this unit at every occasion. We've
40:50
Speaker 6: got a union here that is somehow negotiated to have
40:52
Speaker 6: drivers on driverless trains and now wants their members to
40:56
Speaker 6: get double time and a half to drive trains that
40:58
Speaker 6: have got nobody on them on Thursday day, Friday and
41:00
Speaker 6: Saturday nights. I mean, the premier should have stood up
41:03
Speaker 6: to this mob a long long time ago and put
41:05
Speaker 6: his foot down. And you know, I can't expect Chrismans
41:08
Speaker 6: is going to be but we need somebody that would
41:10
Speaker 6: have behaved like Joe Biorki Pedison did back in the
41:12
Speaker 6: day and stood up to these Milletont unions and said
41:15
Speaker 6: enough of this. You know what, we're going to ban
41:17
Speaker 6: trains all together. And then what are your members going
41:19
Speaker 6: to do? I mean, what they need to do is
41:21
Speaker 6: negotiat with private bus operators to have enough buses on
41:24
Speaker 6: the night to make sure that this goes ahead. And
41:26
Speaker 6: you know what, let the train driver stay at home
41:28
Speaker 6: and get paid nothing.
41:30
Speaker 3: And Sergio would have found a way to make a
41:31
Speaker 3: buckal along the way when he did it too. I
41:35
Speaker 3: talked last night about that stupid Raygang woman because she
41:38
Speaker 3: sent her the lawyers in to shut down this satirical
41:42
Speaker 3: musical about her. Then she demanded ten thousand dollars from
41:45
Speaker 3: the comedy club that was going to host it. All
41:47
Speaker 3: proceeds from this show by the way were going to
41:50
Speaker 3: a women's shelter.
41:51
Speaker 2: Well done.
41:52
Speaker 12: Well.
41:52
Speaker 3: Now she's come out and apologized and said it was
41:55
Speaker 3: all just a big misunderstanding.
41:58
Speaker 12: I am sorry for for any hurt that was caused. Course,
42:04
Speaker 12: you know I'm certainly not doing that intentionally.
42:10
Speaker 11: I want to thank the people that have supported me
42:13
Speaker 11: through this wild ride.
42:15
Speaker 1: Again.
42:17
Speaker 3: I saw a tweet today, Denik or actually you can't.
42:19
Speaker 3: You don't call them tweets anymore, and you can't really
42:21
Speaker 3: call it an X either. I don't know what they're called.
42:23
Speaker 3: But someone posted on X and they said, I can't
42:26
Speaker 3: believe everyone surprised about what's gone on with Reygun here.
42:30
Speaker 3: If you spend any time around academics, you'd know this
42:33
Speaker 3: is typical.
42:36
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I just feel like ray Gun Caleb has got
42:40
Speaker 5: this victim mindset. Now, woe is me? Where you know
42:43
Speaker 5: people are criticizing me, so I better come out and
42:45
Speaker 5: do an apology. When really, what is she actually apologizing for?
42:49
Speaker 5: That's what I'd like to know. For threatening to sue
42:51
Speaker 5: a woman for a comedy skit, for demanding ten thousand
42:53
Speaker 5: dollars from the venue.
42:55
Speaker 2: I mean, her.
42:55
Speaker 5: Lawyers say that her act on the world stage. If
42:59
Speaker 5: that's what you can it was Olympic level choreography. Well,
43:03
Speaker 5: I mean I would say, I would say, Caleb, my
43:06
Speaker 5: dancing on a Saturday night is Olympic level choreography, But
43:09
Speaker 5: not that I'm going to go and fly myself to
43:11
Speaker 5: the Olympics to compete for Team Australia. But you know, seriously,
43:15
Speaker 5: there is no team in what she is doing. She
43:19
Speaker 5: is an insufferable nightmare. All the best, but I'm sick
43:23
Speaker 5: of her.
43:24
Speaker 3: Look, Denika, when you and I hit the dancer, I
43:26
Speaker 3: tell you what, we will absolutely tear the place apart.
43:29
Speaker 3: We we've got one hundred points if we've gone off
43:31
Speaker 3: to the Olympics together.
43:33
Speaker 2: But Stephen, I mean, seriously, this is the thing.
43:35
Speaker 3: As a country, I said this last night, we're quite
43:38
Speaker 3: happy to celebrate our underachievers as long as they're good people,
43:43
Speaker 3: right Stephen Bradbury. He knows that he won because everyone
43:47
Speaker 3: fell over and he's a good blow, so everyone loves him.
43:50
Speaker 3: What we hate is when we as a country elevate
43:54
Speaker 3: someone and then they take us for a ride.
43:57
Speaker 2: And I think that's what Raygan has done here.
44:00
Speaker 3: Right.
44:02
Speaker 6: Well, look, firstly, can I say I need to see
44:04
Speaker 6: video of Danika dancing on a Saturday hour. Moving on
44:07
Speaker 6: from that, No, this would have to be the longest
44:10
Speaker 6: fifteen minutes I have ever seen in my thought. Is
44:13
Speaker 6: it it sposed to be fifteen minutes of fame? This
44:15
Speaker 6: has been going on for months now, and I mean
44:18
Speaker 6: part of the legal document apparently, well she wants to
44:22
Speaker 6: copyright the Kangaroo Dance. What is she going to now
44:24
Speaker 6: claim royalties every time there's a rerun of Skippy's Fair Nickham.
44:30
Speaker 6: I mean it just took a little bit of self
44:31
Speaker 6: awareness to say, you know what, I'm not up to
44:33
Speaker 6: this Olympics game. Olympic level fast is what it was,
44:37
Speaker 6: not Olympic level choreography.
44:39
Speaker 2: We should send Skippy to the Olympics.
44:42
Speaker 3: I would have been better Deanika Stephen Merry Christmas. May
44:46
Speaker 3: I say and thank you so much for you sad today.
44:48
Speaker 3: Coming up next, we'll look back at a strange and
44:50
Speaker 3: wonderful twenty twenty four with comedian video Lachland.
44:53
Speaker 2: Don't go away.
44:58
Speaker 3: Well, this is my last show for twenty twenty four.
45:00
Speaker 3: Also for a look back and I look forward into
45:02
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. I'm joined now by comedian video Lachlan
45:05
Speaker 3: from the Great City of Adelaide. Now, of course, viewers
45:08
Speaker 3: might know you because you were canceled by a few
45:10
Speaker 3: venues earlier in the year for telling jokes about gender.
45:13
Speaker 3: So you decided you'd.
45:15
Speaker 2: Fix the problem. You applied for a grant to be
45:18
Speaker 2: turfed out of the country.
45:19
Speaker 3: That is terf which is used to refer to women
45:22
Speaker 3: who believe that you need to be a woman to
45:24
Speaker 3: be a woman. But apparently the lefties in the arts
45:27
Speaker 3: want to keep you here. You didn't get the money.
45:32
Speaker 12: Well, I've been rejected for every single grant I've gone
45:35
Speaker 12: for since. Coincidentally, since I said women do not have willis,
45:39
Speaker 12: and I thought, as a little satirical joke for myself,
45:44
Speaker 12: I would apply saying, you know, this fundraiser is to
45:48
Speaker 12: get Bitty out of the country to deport her because
45:50
Speaker 12: she's an evil bigot. And they didn't get the joke.
45:54
Speaker 3: I guess well, they want to keep you here, and
45:56
Speaker 3: that's good for us. Now your winner of the year.
45:58
Speaker 2: Who is it.
46:02
Speaker 12: More redeeming?
46:06
Speaker 2: So much grace.
46:09
Speaker 12: She's just been a champion for women's rights and children's safeguarding,
46:13
Speaker 12: and I just think she's really admirable and stoic, and
46:18
Speaker 12: she's just been dragged through the mud and not let
46:21
Speaker 12: it get to her. And she's just been a hero
46:26
Speaker 12: for all of us who are fighting this fight.
46:29
Speaker 3: Mine is Donald Trump, and you know, not only because
46:32
Speaker 3: he's in the White House again, but form's sake, the
46:35
Speaker 3: bloke got shot in the ear and then he basically
46:39
Speaker 3: memed his way back into the White House.
46:41
Speaker 2: You'll remember this one.
46:43
Speaker 5: The cat the dogs.
46:45
Speaker 1: You're eating the cats, the cat, the.
46:49
Speaker 3: Dog, and I am potentially the winner as well, because
46:53
Speaker 3: it means we've got so much content to talk about
46:55
Speaker 3: for the next four years.
47:00
Speaker 12: I think Trump was It was a tough one for
47:02
Speaker 12: me between Moira and Trump and.
47:05
Speaker 2: Your loser eating who is your loser? Well, he's a
47:10
Speaker 2: saw loser. It's John Pasudo. I can't get over.
47:17
Speaker 3: I cannot get over the hide of this bloke. I
47:19
Speaker 3: mean the fact that he thinks after today that he
47:22
Speaker 3: can hold onto.
47:22
Speaker 12: His leadership, yeah, and not let her back into the
47:27
Speaker 12: party or you know, not encourage that to happen. And
47:30
Speaker 12: it's just it's just shameful. Sore losers are the worst kind.
47:33
Speaker 12: So he gets that, gets that crown.
47:38
Speaker 3: My loser for the year is in the City Boomers,
47:40
Speaker 3: because we've basically seen Over the course of this year,
47:44
Speaker 3: all of the things they care about have disappeared into
47:47
Speaker 3: the ether. Trump got elected, they lost that one. The
47:50
Speaker 3: Melbourne Storm now says they're not going to hold welcomes
47:53
Speaker 3: to country all the things they care about. Funnily enough,
47:56
Speaker 3: there's a cost of living crisis and people don't care
47:59
Speaker 3: about them anymore. And your bold prediction for next year,
48:01
Speaker 3: what's going to happen in twenty twenty.
48:03
Speaker 12: Five, Well, I think sal Grove is going to win
48:08
Speaker 12: her appeal and I also hope that Raygun disappears.
48:13
Speaker 3: I'm interested in what you think of this whole Raygun thing.
48:15
Speaker 3: I mean, on imagine trying to take on a comedy
48:20
Speaker 3: club for having a satirical show and saying that you've
48:23
Speaker 3: got copyright over it.
48:24
Speaker 12: Seriously, I'm still waiting for her to come out and
48:29
Speaker 12: say it was all a joke, Like it just can't
48:31
Speaker 12: be real, the whole thing, you know. Speaking of memes,
48:36
Speaker 12: she's made her way into meme history. I think with
48:39
Speaker 12: that dances it to dance breakdancing.
48:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, video Locklin, thank you so much for joining me,
48:44
Speaker 3: and I'm sure we'll see you again in twenty twenty five.
48:47
Speaker 3: And that's it from me. Tonight and of course for
48:50
Speaker 3: this year. Thank you as always for all your support
48:53
Speaker 3: throughout the year. I hope you have a merry Christmas
48:55
Speaker 3: and a happy New Year, and that no matter where
48:57
Speaker 3: you are, you can spend it with some people you love,
49:00
Speaker 3: because above everything else we do everything we talk about
49:03
Speaker 3: here every night, the most important thing you can do
49:05
Speaker 3: in life is to love somebody. I'll be back next
49:08
Speaker 3: year for the Late Debate and the Sunday Showdown. I
49:11
Speaker 3: hope you will join me again, But in the meantime,
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Speaker 3: James McPherson is up next for the Bold Report. Good Night,