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Where Science, Spirituality & Indigenous Wisdom Meet: The Remarkable Contributions of Filmmakers Zaya & Maurizio Benazzo · Deep Transformation

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Welcome
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to
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part
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one
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of
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our
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conversation
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with
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Zaya
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and
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Maurizio
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Benazzo,
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founders
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of
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the
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Non
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Duality
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and
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Science
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conference
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which
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puts
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together
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scientists
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and
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mystics
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to
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explore
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the
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nature
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of
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the
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classic
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spiritual
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experience
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of
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the
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non
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dual
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nature
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of
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reality.
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Zaya
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and
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Maurizio
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are
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also
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brilliant
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filmmakers
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and
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we
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discussed
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our
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film
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on
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guru
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Nisargadatta
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Maharaj,
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their
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film
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on
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healing
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trauma
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with
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Gabor
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Maté
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and
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their
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heartbreaking
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documentary
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on
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the
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situation
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in
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the
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West
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bank
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in
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2021.
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This
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was
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a
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very
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powerful
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conversation.
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Welcome
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to
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Deep
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Transformation
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Self,
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Society,
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Spirit.
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Life
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enhancing,
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paradigm
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rattling
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conversations
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with
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cutting
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edge
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thinkers,
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contemplatives
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and
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activists.
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With
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Dr.
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Roger
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Walsh
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and
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John
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Dupuy.
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Welcome
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to
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Deep
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Transformation
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Self,
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Society,
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Spirit.
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I'm
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Roger
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Walsh
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and
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our
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co
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host
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is
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John
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Dupuy.
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And
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with
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us
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today
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are
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a
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remarkable
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couple
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who
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have
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touched
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so
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many
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lives.
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Certainly
1:02
mine
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included
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Zaya
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and
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Maurizio
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Benazzo
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and
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you
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may
1:07
know
1:07
them
1:07
in
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many
1:08
roles.
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They
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are
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filmmakers,
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they
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have
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put
1:13
on
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numerous
1:14
conferences.
1:15
You
1:15
may
1:15
have
1:16
even
1:16
attended
1:16
the
1:17
SAND
1:17
conference,
1:18
Science
1:18
and
1:18
Non
1:18
Duality,
1:19
also
1:20
trauma
1:20
conferences
1:22
and
1:23
online
1:23
events.
1:24
And
1:25
most
1:25
recently
1:25
they
1:26
have
1:26
been
1:26
creating
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a
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beautiful
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series
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of
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films
1:29
on
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both
1:30
indigenous
1:31
cultures,
1:32
colonialism
1:33
and
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a
1:34
very
1:35
powerful
1:35
film
1:36
on
1:37
the
1:37
mistreatment
1:38
of
1:38
the
1:39
Palestinians
1:39
in
1:39
the
1:40
West
1:40
Bank.
1:41
They've
1:41
just
1:41
done
1:41
a
1:42
lot
1:42
of
1:42
beautiful
1:43
work
1:43
and
1:43
it's
1:43
been
1:44
really
1:44
fascinating.
1:45
Diana
1:45
Maurizio,
1:46
kind
1:46
of
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tracing
1:48
the
1:48
trajectory
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of
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your
1:49
work
1:50
from
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your
1:51
early
1:51
concerns
1:52
and
1:52
the
1:53
creation
1:54
of
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your
1:54
film.
1:54
I
1:55
think
1:55
of
1:55
Nisa
1:55
Gadatta,
1:56
the
1:57
great
1:57
Hindu
1:58
sage
1:58
and
1:59
then
2:00
moving
2:00
into
2:01
the
2:01
San
2:02
Science
2:02
and
2:02
Non
2:02
Duality
2:03
conferences,
2:04
then
2:04
trauma
2:04
work,
2:05
then
2:05
your
2:06
current
2:06
filmmaking.
2:07
I'd
2:08
love
2:08
to
2:08
just
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have
2:09
you
2:09
speak
2:09
to
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this
2:10
developmental
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arc
2:12
you've
2:12
been
2:12
through.
2:14
It's
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an
2:14
open
2:15
question,
2:15
but
2:16
please.
2:17
Love
2:17
that
2:18
you
2:18
call
2:18
it...
2:19
The
2:20
same.
2:22
Thank
2:22
you,
2:22
Roger.
2:23
Yeah,
2:23
thank
2:23
you.
2:24
It's
2:24
nice
2:25
to
2:25
pause
2:25
and
2:26
reflect.
2:26
So
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I
2:27
appreciate
2:27
the
2:28
invitation
2:28
to
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reflect
2:29
on
2:29
the
2:30
arc,
2:30
which
2:31
we
2:31
don't
2:31
get
2:32
to
2:32
do
2:32
a
2:32
lot.
2:33
We
2:33
work
2:33
very
2:34
much
2:34
as
2:35
we
2:35
follow
2:36
the
2:36
flow.
2:37
We
2:37
could
2:37
be
2:37
also
2:38
quite
2:38
instinctual
2:39
and
2:40
we
2:41
respond
2:41
to
2:41
what
2:42
life
2:42
is
2:43
pointing
2:44
to.
2:45
That's
2:45
been
2:46
one.
2:46
We
2:46
are
2:46
always
2:46
on
2:47
the
2:47
edge
2:47
of
2:47
the
2:47
wave.
2:48
Eventually,
2:49
you
2:49
know,
2:49
our
2:50
sensation.
2:50
We
2:50
try
2:51
to
2:51
be
2:51
on
2:51
the
2:51
edge
2:51
of
2:51
the
2:52
wave,
2:52
but
2:52
it's
2:52
beautiful
2:53
too.
2:53
And
2:54
everything
2:54
we've
2:54
offered
2:55
is
2:55
like
2:55
a
2:56
bits
2:56
on
2:57
a
2:57
necklace.
2:58
Right.
2:58
So
2:58
we
2:59
were
2:59
called
2:59
to
3:00
go
3:00
to
3:00
India
3:01
to
3:02
with
3:02
Stephen
3:02
Volinsky
3:03
to
3:04
do
3:04
a
3:04
documentary
3:05
on
3:05
Nisarcade.
3:06
Let's
3:06
start
3:06
differently.
3:07
That
3:07
was
3:07
our
3:07
first
3:08
date.
3:10
That's
3:11
a
3:11
little
3:11
detail
3:11
which
3:12
is,
3:12
I
3:12
think
3:12
Is
3:13
kind
3:13
of
3:14
revealing.
3:15
When
3:15
I,
3:15
when
3:15
I
3:16
met,
3:16
we
3:16
decided
3:16
to
3:17
go
3:17
to
3:17
make
3:17
this
3:17
documentary
3:18
and
3:18
we
3:19
just
3:19
met
3:19
and
3:20
I
3:20
said,
3:20
I'm
3:20
going
3:20
to
3:20
make
3:20
this
3:21
movie.
3:21
Oh
3:21
my
3:21
God.
3:21
I'm
3:21
a
3:22
camera
3:22
person.
3:23
I
3:23
heard.
3:25
So
3:25
we
3:25
worked
3:25
together
3:25
on
3:26
this
3:26
movie.
3:26
Was
3:26
our.
3:27
Yeah.
3:28
Please
3:28
continue.
3:28
Yeah.
3:29
We
3:29
were
3:29
where
3:30
we
3:30
met
3:30
with
3:31
students
3:31
of
3:32
Nisargadatta
3:32
Maharaj.
3:33
We
3:33
wanted
3:34
to
3:34
understand
3:34
because
3:35
he
3:35
was
3:37
way
3:37
past
3:38
when
3:38
we
3:38
visited
3:39
was
3:39
what,
3:40
late
3:40
90s,
3:41
I
3:41
don't
3:41
remember
3:42
2000.
3:44
Yeah.
3:44
And
3:45
he
3:45
was
3:45
gone
3:45
in
3:46
late
3:46
80s.
3:47
So
3:47
we
3:47
wanted
3:47
to
3:47
understand
3:48
what
3:48
continues
3:49
to
3:49
live
3:50
in
3:50
his
3:51
students
3:51
and
3:52
also.
3:54
Yeah.
3:54
In
3:55
India.
3:55
What's
3:55
your
3:55
takeaway
3:55
from
3:55
that
3:55
experience?
3:58
Very
3:59
interesting.
4:00
So
4:00
what
4:01
we
4:01
found
4:02
is
4:02
actually
4:03
his
4:03
students
4:04
have
4:04
split
4:05
in
4:05
two
4:06
different
4:07
groups.
4:08
Let's
4:08
say
4:08
one,
4:09
they
4:10
have
4:10
taken
4:10
his
4:11
ashes
4:11
and
4:12
they
4:12
have
4:12
created
4:13
an
4:13
ashram.
4:14
And
4:14
they
4:14
would
4:14
do
4:15
twice
4:15
a
4:15
day
4:15
puja.
4:16
And
4:16
they
4:16
very
4:17
traditionally
4:17
practice
4:18
their
4:19
path
4:19
through
4:19
bhakti.
4:20
And
4:20
then
4:21
the
4:21
others
4:22
that
4:23
followed
4:23
what
4:23
Nisar
4:24
Karata
4:24
said
4:25
and
4:25
he
4:25
said,
4:25
I
4:25
don't
4:26
want
4:26
any
4:26
ashram.
4:27
I
4:27
don't
4:27
want
4:27
anything
4:28
to
4:28
be
4:28
worshiped.
4:29
Once
4:29
I'm
4:29
gone,
4:30
I'm
4:30
gone.
4:31
Leave
4:31
the
4:31
ashes,
4:32
throw
4:32
everything
4:33
in
4:33
the
4:33
sea
4:34
and
4:34
just
4:35
follow
4:35
what
4:36
I
4:36
have
4:36
given
4:36
you.
4:37
Like
4:37
the
4:37
little
4:37
I
4:38
have
4:38
given
4:38
you
4:39
as
4:39
teachings
4:39
is
4:40
enough
4:40
for
4:40
you
4:40
to.
4:41
The
4:42
seed
4:42
I
4:42
planted
4:43
in
4:43
you
4:43
is
4:43
enough.
4:44
So
4:45
that
4:45
was.
4:45
We
4:45
met
4:46
with
4:46
both
4:46
groups
4:47
and
4:47
it
4:47
was
4:47
very
4:47
interesting
4:48
to
4:49
be
4:49
with
4:49
them
4:49
and
4:50
also
4:50
to
4:50
understand
4:51
how
4:52
he
4:52
wouldn't
4:53
have
4:53
one
4:53
size
4:54
fits
4:54
all
4:55
teachings.
4:55
He
4:56
would
4:56
really
4:56
work
4:57
with
4:57
each
4:57
student
4:58
and
4:58
feel
4:59
what's
4:59
the
5:00
right
5:00
path
5:00
for
5:01
this
5:01
student
5:01
and
5:02
give
5:02
them
5:03
the
5:03
little
5:03
practice,
5:04
the
5:04
knowledge
5:05
or
5:05
the
5:05
practice
5:06
that
5:06
they
5:06
need
5:06
to
5:07
wake
5:08
up
5:08
on
5:09
their.
5:09
Journey
5:10
and
5:10
on
5:10
a
5:10
personal
5:11
level
5:11
on
5:11
the
5:12
other
5:12
end.
5:12
Sorry,
5:13
Roger,
5:13
you
5:13
were
5:13
saying
5:13
something?
5:14
No,
5:14
I
5:14
just
5:14
thought
5:15
it
5:15
would
5:15
be
5:15
nice
5:15
to
5:15
get.
5:15
I
5:16
was
5:16
just
5:16
wanting
5:16
to
5:16
give
5:16
a
5:16
little
5:17
context,
5:17
thinking
5:17
some
5:18
people
5:18
might
5:18
not
5:18
know
5:19
Nisa
5:19
Goddard
5:20
just
5:20
to
5:20
acknowledge
5:21
that
5:21
he
5:21
really
5:22
was
5:22
one
5:22
of
5:22
the
5:22
great
5:23
Hindu
5:24
sages
5:24
of
5:24
the
5:24
last
5:25
century.
5:26
That
5:26
bite
5:26
of
5:26
it,
5:28
the
5:28
book
5:28
he
5:28
wrote,
5:29
I
5:29
am
5:30
that
5:30
T
5:30
H
5:31
A
5:31
T
5:31
I
5:31
am
5:32
that.
5:33
He
5:33
never
5:33
wanted
5:33
an
5:34
ashram.
5:35
He
5:35
would
5:35
let
5:35
his
5:36
student
5:36
come
5:36
in
5:37
and
5:37
stay
5:37
for
5:37
10
5:38
days,
5:38
not
5:38
more.
5:39
And
5:39
then
5:39
he
5:39
said,
5:40
you
5:40
have
5:40
everything
5:40
you
5:41
need
5:41
in
5:41
his
5:41
living
5:41
room
5:42
and
5:42
practice.
5:43
Yeah,
5:43
in
5:43
his
5:43
living
5:43
room.
5:44
When
5:44
God.
5:45
Amazing.
5:46
Yes.
5:46
Yeah.
5:47
People
5:47
were
5:47
asking,
5:48
do
5:48
you
5:48
want
5:48
an
5:48
ashram?
5:48
I
5:49
pay
5:49
for.
5:49
The
5:49
people
5:49
bring
5:50
him
5:50
money.
5:50
Sati
5:51
kicks
5:51
them
5:51
out.
5:51
Get
5:52
out
5:52
of
5:52
here.
5:52
I
5:53
don't
5:53
want
5:53
your
5:53
money.
5:53
I'm
5:54
not
5:54
doing
5:54
this
5:54
for
5:54
my.
5:54
And
5:55
he
5:55
was
5:55
saying,
5:56
if
5:56
I
5:56
have
5:56
an
5:56
Ashram.
5:57
You
5:57
know
5:57
how
5:57
many
5:58
windows
5:58
I
5:58
have
5:58
to
5:58
open
5:59
and
5:59
close
5:59
every
5:59
day
6:00
and
6:00
every
6:00
night
6:01
Here,
6:01
I
6:01
only
6:01
have
6:02
two
6:02
window.
6:02
That's
6:02
perfect.
6:04
I
6:05
like
6:05
this
6:05
guy
6:05
a
6:05
lot.
6:06
Thank
6:06
you.
6:06
Oh,
6:06
he's
6:07
a
6:07
character.
6:07
He
6:08
was
6:08
actually
6:08
very
6:09
moving.
6:09
To
6:09
be
6:10
in
6:10
the
6:10
room
6:10
where
6:10
he
6:11
spent
6:11
so
6:11
many
6:12
years
6:12
teaching.
6:13
And
6:13
to
6:14
see
6:14
there
6:14
is
6:14
one
6:15
TV
6:15
screen
6:16
in
6:16
the
6:16
room
6:17
and
6:17
it's
6:17
empty.
6:18
Is
6:18
really
6:18
his
6:19
family
6:19
really
6:20
fold.
6:20
His
6:21
desire
6:21
to
6:22
strip
6:23
all
6:23
the
6:24
pointers
6:25
that
6:25
represent
6:26
consciousness.
6:27
He's
6:27
like,
6:27
just.
6:27
You
6:27
don't
6:28
need
6:28
any
6:28
of
6:28
that.
6:30
So
6:30
when
6:30
we
6:30
were
6:30
there,
6:31
you
6:32
want.
6:32
Yeah,
6:32
one
6:32
thing
6:33
that.
6:34
Thank
6:34
you.
6:35
One
6:35
of
6:35
the
6:35
things
6:36
that
6:36
happened
6:36
on
6:37
a
6:37
personal
6:37
level,
6:38
one
6:38
of
6:38
the
6:39
translators
6:40
said
6:40
that
6:40
Nisargadatta
6:42
used
6:42
to
6:42
say,
6:42
which
6:42
we
6:43
never
6:43
got
6:43
that.
6:43
We
6:44
got
6:44
that
6:44
from
6:44
the
6:45
books.
6:45
From
6:45
the
6:45
book.
6:46
But
6:46
not
6:47
that
6:47
clearly.
6:48
The
6:48
guy
6:48
said
6:49
specifically
6:49
one
6:50
day,
6:51
what
6:51
I'm
6:51
teaching
6:52
is
6:52
not
6:52
spirituality.
6:54
What
6:54
I'm
6:54
teaching
6:54
is
6:55
science.
6:56
One
6:56
day
6:57
scientists
6:58
will
6:58
come
6:59
and
6:59
understand
7:00
all
7:00
this.
7:01
They
7:01
said
7:02
that.
7:02
And
7:02
that
7:02
sentence
7:03
stick
7:03
to
7:03
us
7:03
sort
7:04
of
7:04
deeply,
7:05
marginally,
7:06
God
7:06
knows
7:06
where.
7:07
Right.
7:07
When
7:07
destiny
7:08
hits
7:08
you
7:08
and
7:08
you
7:09
don't
7:09
realize.
7:10
And
7:10
then
7:10
we
7:11
went
7:11
back
7:11
home.
7:11
We
7:12
were
7:12
having
7:12
a
7:12
dinner
7:13
for
7:13
my
7:13
birthday,
7:14
actually.
7:14
And
7:15
at
7:15
the
7:15
dinner
7:15
with
7:16
another
7:16
friend,
7:16
with
7:17
a
7:17
friend
7:17
of
7:17
us,
7:17
we
7:18
said
7:18
this
7:18
sentence.
7:19
And
7:19
this
7:19
guy
7:20
said,
7:20
hey,
7:20
why
7:21
don't
7:21
we
7:21
do
7:21
a
7:21
conference?
7:22
Why
7:22
don't
7:22
you
7:22
guys
7:22
do
7:23
a
7:23
conference
7:23
about
7:24
put
7:24
together
7:25
scientists
7:25
and
7:26
mystics?
7:27
That's
7:27
a
7:27
great
7:27
idea.
7:29
And
7:29
we
7:29
told.
7:30
But
7:30
we
7:30
said,
7:31
there
7:31
has
7:31
to
7:31
be
7:31
one
7:32
year
7:32
from
7:32
now.
7:33
Because
7:33
otherwise
7:34
those
7:34
things
7:34
become,
7:35
you
7:35
know,
7:36
I'll
7:36
do
7:36
it.
7:36
I'll
7:36
do
7:37
it.
7:37
Yeah,
7:37
don't
7:37
worry,
7:37
I'll
7:38
do
7:38
it.
7:38
Don't
7:38
worry,
7:38
I'll
7:38
do
7:38
it.
7:39
No,
7:39
has
7:39
to
7:40
have
7:40
a
7:40
deadline.
7:40
Otherwise,
7:41
if
7:41
you
7:41
put
7:41
something.
7:42
If
7:42
you
7:43
put
7:43
something
7:43
without
7:43
the
7:44
deadline,
7:44
then
7:44
it's
7:45
easy
7:45
to
7:45
find
7:46
a
7:46
way
7:46
out.
7:47
So
7:47
we
7:47
said,
7:47
okay,
7:48
a
7:48
year
7:48
from
7:48
now,
7:48
we
7:48
toasted.
7:49
And
7:49
next
7:50
morning,
7:50
literally,
7:51
I
7:51
called
7:51
in
7:51
Marin.
7:52
In
7:52
Marin.
7:52
There
7:52
was
7:53
a
7:53
hotel
7:54
with
7:54
the
7:55
space.
7:55
And
7:56
they
7:56
said,
7:56
no,
7:57
there
7:57
is
7:57
no
7:57
space.
7:57
And
7:58
there
7:58
was
7:58
a
7:58
cancellation
7:59
that
7:59
morning
8:00
for
8:00
the
8:00
date
8:00
we
8:00
wanted.
8:01
And
8:02
so
8:02
here
8:02
we
8:02
go.
8:02
Science
8:03
and
8:03
non
8:03
duality
8:04
was
8:04
created.
8:06
How
8:06
many
8:06
years
8:07
has
8:07
that
8:07
been
8:07
going
8:07
on
8:07
now?
8:08
We
8:09
did
8:09
the
8:09
conference.
8:11
Conference
8:11
for
8:12
13-15...
8:12
with
8:13
COVID
8:14
We
8:14
stopped.
8:14
Doing
8:15
it
8:15
in
8:15
persons
8:16
and
8:16
we
8:16
move
8:17
online.
8:18
And
8:18
in
8:18
those,
8:19
I
8:19
would
8:19
say,
8:20
17
8:20
years,
8:20
we
8:21
went
8:21
through
8:21
confidence.
8:22
Quite
8:22
a
8:22
few.
8:23
True
8:24
evolution.
8:24
I
8:24
would
8:25
say,
8:25
yeah,
8:26
the
8:26
first
8:27
five
8:27
years.
8:28
Five,
8:28
six,
8:29
seven,
8:29
seven.
8:30
You
8:30
know,
8:30
our
8:30
chronology
8:31
is
8:32
not
8:32
very
8:32
good,
8:33
but
8:33
it
8:33
was
8:34
very
8:34
much
8:35
scientists
8:36
and
8:36
spiritual
8:37
teachers
8:37
talking
8:38
about
8:38
consciousness,
8:39
really,
8:39
that
8:40
was
8:40
the
8:40
main
8:40
focus.
8:41
My
8:41
friend
8:42
Diane
8:42
Hamilton
8:43
said,
8:43
if
8:44
the
8:44
practice
8:44
doesn't
8:45
kill
8:45
you,
8:45
the
8:45
Sangha
8:46
will.
8:49
Yes.
8:50
So
8:50
we
8:50
want
8:50
to
8:51
make
8:51
sure
8:51
between
8:51
one
8:52
and
8:52
the
8:52
other,
8:52
you
8:52
hit
8:53
one.
8:54
We
8:54
had
8:54
some
8:54
incredible
8:55
meetings
8:56
of
8:56
scientists
8:57
and
8:57
spiritual
8:58
teachers.
8:59
Beautiful
8:59
debates,
9:00
deep
9:00
conversations.
9:02
It
9:02
was
9:03
really,
9:03
it
9:03
felt
9:04
very
9:04
powerful
9:04
for
9:05
that
9:05
time.
9:07
And
9:07
then
9:08
we
9:08
also
9:08
started
9:09
waking
9:09
up
9:09
to
9:10
the
9:10
reality
9:10
that
9:11
the
9:11
room
9:11
was
9:12
filled
9:12
with
9:13
80%
9:14
men
9:15
and
9:16
it
9:16
was
9:16
mostly
9:18
white
9:18
men
9:19
and
9:19
95%.
9:20
There
9:20
were
9:21
not
9:21
many
9:21
women,
9:21
even
9:22
teachers
9:22
that
9:23
were
9:24
sharing.
9:24
So
9:25
we.
9:26
Yeah,
9:26
yeah,
9:26
now
9:26
I'm
9:26
saying
9:27
non
9:27
duality
9:27
was
9:28
completely
9:29
at
9:29
the
9:29
beginning.
9:30
And
9:30
yeah,
9:30
the
9:31
western
9:31
version
9:31
of
9:32
non
9:32
duality
9:32
was
9:34
many
9:35
male
9:35
teachers
9:36
really
9:37
explaining
9:38
the
9:39
nature
9:39
of
9:39
reality.
9:40
That
9:40
was
9:41
the
9:42
approach,
9:42
the
9:43
spiritual
9:43
approach,
9:44
which
9:44
in
9:45
time
9:45
it
9:46
felt
9:46
very
9:46
limiting
9:47
for
9:48
us
9:48
and
9:48
for
9:48
our
9:49
audience.
9:51
So
9:51
the
9:51
evolution
9:51
went
9:52
from
9:52
science
9:53
and
9:53
non
9:53
duality.
9:54
We
9:54
slowly
9:55
started
9:55
expanding,
9:56
bringing
9:57
a
9:57
lot
9:57
of
9:57
experiential
9:58
modalities,
9:59
body
10:00
centered.
10:01
So
10:02
expanding
10:03
our
10:03
body
10:04
from
10:04
here
10:04
to
10:05
the
10:05
body.
10:06
Expanding
10:06
the
10:06
body.
10:07
And
10:07
once
10:07
we
10:07
included
10:08
the
10:08
body,
10:09
we
10:09
hit
10:09
the
10:09
trauma,
10:10
which
10:10
is
10:12
inevitable.
10:13
And
10:13
not
10:14
many
10:14
spiritual
10:15
teachers
10:15
were
10:16
addressing
10:16
it
10:16
back
10:17
then,
10:18
if
10:18
any.
10:19
There
10:20
were
10:20
a
10:20
few,
10:20
but
10:21
they
10:21
were
10:21
minority.
10:22
And
10:23
then
10:23
that
10:23
became
10:24
a
10:24
big
10:24
portal
10:25
that
10:26
needed
10:27
a
10:27
lot
10:27
of
10:27
work
10:28
to
10:29
open
10:30
and
10:30
to
10:32
bring
10:32
the
10:32
therapies.
10:33
Bring
10:33
the,
10:34
Bring
10:34
the.
10:35
Yeah,
10:36
the
10:36
conversation
10:36
of
10:37
what
10:37
trauma
10:37
is
10:37
and
10:38
how
10:38
trauma
10:39
is
10:39
expressed
10:40
or
10:40
not
10:40
expressed.
10:41
Once
10:41
we're
10:41
in
10:41
the
10:42
spiritual
10:42
path.
10:43
Often
10:45
many
10:45
people
10:45
who
10:45
are
10:46
on
10:46
a
10:46
spiritual
10:46
path
10:47
are
10:47
trying
10:47
to.
10:48
We.
10:48
We're
10:49
trying
10:49
to
10:49
avoid
10:50
pain.
10:51
And
10:51
behind
10:51
that
10:52
pain
10:52
there
10:52
is
10:52
trauma,
10:53
usually.
10:53
So
10:54
when
10:54
you
10:54
mask
10:54
a
10:55
pain,
10:55
when
10:55
you
10:55
mask
10:56
a
10:56
trauma,
10:56
it
10:57
finds
10:57
different
10:57
ways
10:58
to
10:58
come
10:58
back
10:58
and
10:59
say,
10:59
I'm
11:00
here,
11:00
I
11:00
need
11:01
attention,
11:01
I
11:02
need
11:02
care.
11:02
And
11:02
I
11:03
must
11:03
say
11:03
for
11:04
clarification
11:04
that
11:05
this
11:05
journey,
11:06
everything
11:07
we
11:07
do
11:07
since
11:07
the
11:08
moment
11:08
we
11:08
met,
11:09
is
11:09
not
11:09
that
11:09
we
11:10
do
11:10
it
11:10
because
11:10
there
11:10
is
11:11
a
11:11
calculation.
11:11
We
11:12
do
11:12
it
11:12
because
11:12
it
11:12
feels
11:13
right
11:13
for
11:14
us
11:14
personally.
11:15
It
11:16
was
11:16
our
11:16
journey
11:17
that
11:17
we
11:18
were
11:18
trying
11:18
to
11:18
reach.
11:20
I
11:20
mean,
11:20
we've
11:20
been
11:20
mystical
11:21
since
11:21
we
11:21
were
11:21
kids,
11:22
the
11:22
two
11:22
of
11:22
us.
11:22
And
11:23
because
11:23
we
11:23
were
11:23
covering
11:24
our
11:24
trauma,
11:24
but
11:24
we
11:24
didn't
11:25
know.
11:26
So
11:27
we
11:27
realized
11:28
going
11:28
into
11:28
the
11:28
body
11:29
that
11:29
this
11:30
trauma
11:30
has
11:30
to
11:30
be
11:31
addressed.
11:31
And
11:32
so
11:32
we
11:32
moved
11:33
in
11:33
that
11:33
direction.
11:34
Not
11:34
because
11:34
there
11:34
was
11:35
a
11:35
calculation,
11:35
oh,
11:36
yeah,
11:36
it's
11:36
enough
11:37
for
11:37
the
11:37
organization
11:38
to
11:38
start
11:38
talking.
11:39
You
11:39
know,
11:39
it
11:40
was
11:40
our
11:40
personal
11:40
journey.
11:41
It's
11:41
our
11:41
personal
11:42
journey,
11:42
which
11:42
still
11:43
now
11:43
is
11:43
our
11:43
personal
11:44
journey.
11:44
We
11:44
put
11:44
out
11:45
through
11:45
our
11:45
work.
11:46
That's
11:46
what
11:46
we.
11:47
Where
11:47
our
11:48
body
11:48
and
11:48
our
11:49
minds
11:49
are.
11:49
Yeah,
11:50
we
11:51
had
11:51
Dr.
11:51
Gabor
11:52
Maté
11:53
and
11:54
we
11:54
felt
11:55
like
11:55
there
11:55
was
11:56
a
11:56
shift
11:56
in
11:56
the
11:56
room
11:57
after
11:57
he
11:58
spoke,
11:59
like
11:59
something
11:59
happened
12:00
in
12:00
the
12:00
field.
12:01
And
12:01
like,
12:01
oh,
12:01
we
12:02
need
12:02
to
12:02
follow
12:02
this,
12:03
we
12:03
need
12:03
to
12:03
listen
12:04
to
12:04
this.
12:04
We
12:04
need
12:04
to
12:04
listen
12:05
to
12:05
this.
12:05
Start
12:05
exploring,
12:06
you
12:06
know,
12:06
doesn't
12:07
mean
12:07
revolution,
12:08
but
12:08
start
12:08
explore,
12:09
listen
12:09
to
12:09
it.
12:10
I,
12:10
I
12:11
would
12:11
say
12:11
our
12:12
audience
12:12
was
12:13
becoming
12:13
a
12:13
bit
12:13
too
12:14
comfortable
12:14
with
12:15
non
12:15
duality
12:16
with.
12:18
It
12:18
was
12:18
predictable,
12:19
it
12:19
was
12:19
comfortable.
12:20
We
12:21
knew,
12:21
here's
12:21
the
12:21
meditation,
12:22
here's
12:22
the
12:23
practice,
12:23
here's
12:24
the
12:24
non
12:24
dual
12:25
teachers
12:25
explaining
12:26
us
12:26
how
12:26
things
12:27
are.
12:27
It
12:28
was
12:28
almost
12:28
like
12:29
bubble,
12:30
a
12:30
bubble.
12:31
And
12:31
people
12:31
were
12:32
almost
12:32
like
12:32
falling
12:33
asleep
12:33
in
12:34
that
12:34
bubble.
12:34
That's
12:35
how
12:35
it
12:35
felt
12:36
after
12:36
a
12:36
while.
12:37
Yeah.
12:38
Was
12:38
there
12:38
an
12:38
evolution
12:39
within
12:40
that?
12:40
For
12:40
example,
12:41
you
12:41
mentioned
12:42
the
12:42
dominance
12:42
of
12:43
white
12:44
male
12:44
teachers
12:45
initially.
12:45
And
12:46
yet
12:46
one
12:46
of
12:46
the
12:46
interesting
12:47
things
12:47
that's
12:48
been
12:48
happening
12:49
as
12:50
say
12:50
some
12:50
of
12:50
the
12:50
eastern
12:51
traditions
12:51
have
12:52
migrated
12:52
into
12:52
the
12:53
west
12:53
is
12:54
a
12:54
feminization.
12:55
More
12:56
and
12:56
more
12:56
teachers,
12:57
there
12:58
are
12:58
more
12:58
and
12:58
more
12:58
women
12:58
teachers.
12:59
Let's
12:59
take
13:00
Buddhism
13:00
for
13:00
example.
13:01
It's
13:01
become
13:03
democratized,
13:04
less
13:04
hierarchical,
13:05
it's
13:06
become
13:06
feminized.
13:07
Significant
13:08
number
13:08
of
13:08
teachers
13:09
are
13:09
now
13:10
women.
13:10
Did
13:11
you
13:11
notice
13:12
an
13:12
evolution
13:12
over
13:13
the
13:13
time
13:13
of
13:14
the
13:14
decade
13:14
or
13:14
more
13:14
of
13:15
the
13:15
conference?
13:15
Absolutely,
13:16
yeah.
13:17
I
13:17
would
13:18
say
13:18
an
13:18
evolution
13:19
to
13:19
an
13:19
extent
13:20
that
13:20
we
13:20
actually
13:21
had
13:22
at
13:22
the
13:22
end,
13:22
majority,
13:23
you
13:23
know,
13:23
more
13:24
women
13:24
than
13:24
men.
13:25
And
13:25
Absolutely,
13:26
we
13:26
gave
13:27
the
13:27
stage
13:27
to
13:27
many
13:28
female
13:29
teachers
13:29
and
13:31
we
13:31
brought
13:31
voices
13:32
also
13:32
of
13:32
indigenous
13:33
teachers.
13:34
And
13:35
I
13:36
just
13:36
want
13:36
to
13:36
say
13:36
that
13:37
prior
13:38
to
13:39
becoming
13:39
a
13:39
more
13:40
male
13:40
oriented,
13:41
most
13:41
spiritual
13:42
traditions,
13:44
the
13:44
women
13:44
were
13:44
the
13:45
mystics,
13:45
you
13:46
know,
13:46
but
13:47
because
13:47
of
13:47
patriarchy,
13:48
because
13:48
of,
13:49
you
13:49
know,
13:50
colonialism,
13:51
empires,
13:52
you
13:52
know,
13:52
the
13:52
male
13:53
were
13:53
the
13:54
one
13:55
whose
13:55
voice
13:55
is
13:56
really
13:57
counted
13:58
kind
13:58
of,
13:58
that
13:58
was
13:59
the
13:59
structure
13:59
of
14:00
society.
14:00
But
14:01
women
14:01
were
14:02
always
14:02
the
14:02
mystics,
14:03
you
14:04
know,
14:04
in
14:04
every
14:04
tree.
14:05
Julian
14:06
of
14:06
Norwich
14:06
was
14:07
one
14:07
of
14:07
my
14:07
favorite
14:08
mystics,
14:08
and
14:09
her
14:09
writings
14:09
didn't
14:10
come
14:10
out
14:10
till
14:10
hundreds
14:11
of
14:11
years
14:11
after
14:12
she'd
14:12
passed
14:12
because
14:13
it
14:13
was
14:13
just
14:13
too
14:13
radical.
14:14
It
14:14
started
14:14
coming
14:15
out
14:15
in
14:15
the
14:15
late
14:16
19th
14:16
century.
14:17
It
14:17
had
14:17
been
14:17
buried,
14:18
had
14:18
been
14:18
hidden.
14:19
Yeah.
14:20
With
14:20
the
14:20
creation
14:21
of
14:21
the
14:21
church.
14:21
I
14:21
mean,
14:22
even
14:22
in
14:22
Judaism,
14:23
you
14:23
know,
14:24
when
14:24
the
14:24
temple
14:24
was
14:25
created
14:26
and
14:26
everybody
14:27
had
14:27
to
14:27
follow
14:27
the
14:27
scriptures
14:28
and
14:28
then
14:28
you
14:28
had
14:29
the
14:29
male
14:29
figure,
14:30
you
14:30
know,
14:31
that's
14:31
where
14:32
femininity
14:33
got
14:33
suppressed.
14:34
And
14:35
femininity
14:36
and
14:36
earth
14:37
and
14:37
nature
14:38
are
14:38
one
14:38
and
14:39
the
14:39
same
14:39
kind
14:39
of
14:40
women.
14:40
We
14:40
always
14:41
move
14:41
with
14:41
earth,
14:42
with
14:42
mother
14:42
earth.
14:43
So
14:43
that
14:44
got
14:44
suppressed.
14:44
And
14:45
spirituality
14:46
that
14:46
came
14:46
to
14:47
the
14:47
west
14:48
was
14:48
disconnected
14:49
from
14:50
tradition,
14:51
from
14:52
nature,
14:52
from.
14:53
From
14:53
the
14:54
body,
14:54
from
14:54
the
14:55
body,
14:55
from
14:55
the
14:56
senses.
14:57
And
14:57
we
14:57
got
14:58
a
14:58
sterilized
14:58
version
14:59
of
14:59
what
14:59
spirituality
15:00
is
15:00
that
15:01
invites
15:01
people
15:02
to
15:02
stay.
15:03
If
15:03
you
15:03
disconnected
15:04
from
15:04
the
15:04
earth,
15:05
all
15:05
of
15:05
a
15:05
sudden
15:06
the
15:06
spirituality
15:06
goes
15:07
higher
15:07
and
15:07
higher
15:07
until
15:08
the
15:08
spirituality
15:08
stays
15:09
from
15:09
here
15:09
to
15:09
here
15:11
and
15:11
then
15:12
reflects
15:12
in
15:12
the
15:12
body
15:13
so
15:13
I
15:13
can
15:14
eat
15:14
vegan.
15:15
But.
15:16
Yeah.
15:16
And.
15:17
And
15:17
how
15:17
did
15:17
that,
15:18
how
15:18
did
15:18
that
15:18
work
15:18
out?
15:19
You
15:19
know,
15:19
I,
15:19
I
15:19
think
15:20
about
15:20
the.
15:21
The
15:21
horrible
15:21
things
15:22
that
15:22
happened
15:22
in
15:22
the
15:22
Catholic
15:22
Church
15:23
with
15:23
just
15:23
this
15:24
problems
15:24
of
15:25
all
15:25
male
15:26
cut
15:26
off
15:26
from
15:27
the
15:27
body,
15:27
cut
15:27
off
15:27
from
15:28
sexuality
15:28
and
15:29
all
15:29
this
15:29
stuff.
15:29
And
15:29
it
15:30
just
15:30
manifests
15:31
itself
15:31
in
15:31
the
15:31
shadow
15:32
of
15:32
the
15:32
abuse
15:33
of
15:33
children.
15:34
You
15:34
know,
15:34
huge.
15:35
It
15:35
wasn't
15:36
this
15:36
or
15:36
that.
15:36
It
15:36
was
15:37
all
15:37
over
15:37
the
15:37
place.
15:37
And
15:38
so
15:38
when
15:38
you
15:39
do
15:39
that,
15:39
eventually
15:40
it
15:41
really
15:41
comes
15:41
out
15:42
in
15:42
very
15:42
horrific
15:43
and
15:44
damaging
15:44
weight.
15:45
So.
15:45
Yeah,
15:46
the
15:46
end.
15:46
Killing
15:47
all
15:47
the
15:48
witches.
15:48
The
15:48
witches
15:49
means
15:49
the
15:49
wise.
15:50
The
15:50
wise
15:50
of
15:50
the
15:50
forest.
15:51
The
15:51
ones
15:51
that
15:52
knew
15:52
how
15:52
to
15:53
be
15:53
with
15:54
the
15:54
forest,
15:54
how
15:55
to
15:55
heal
15:55
with
15:56
the
15:56
forest.
15:56
You
15:57
know,
15:57
that
15:57
knowledge
15:58
was
15:58
uprooted.
15:59
That's
15:59
one
15:59
of
15:59
the
15:59
first
16:00
stages
16:00
of
16:00
colonization.
16:02
First
16:02
you
16:02
colonize
16:03
Europe
16:04
and
16:04
then.
16:05
Then
16:05
you
16:05
can
16:06
move
16:06
those.
16:07
Yeah.
16:08
Conversation
16:09
there
16:09
too.
16:09
Before
16:10
moving
16:10
from
16:11
sand.
16:11
You
16:11
brought
16:12
to
16:12
us
16:13
some
16:13
of
16:13
the
16:13
great
16:14
spiritual
16:14
figures
16:15
of
16:15
our
16:15
time.
16:16
And
16:16
some.
16:17
Some
16:17
of
16:17
them
16:17
we're
16:18
being
16:18
fortunate
16:19
to
16:19
have
16:19
on
16:19
this,
16:19
on
16:20
the
16:20
podcast
16:20
to
16:20
dialogue
16:21
with
16:21
like
16:22
Amid
16:22
Ali
16:23
and
16:23
others.
16:24
But,
16:24
you
16:24
know,
16:24
you
16:25
were
16:25
exposed
16:25
to
16:26
some
16:27
amazing
16:27
people
16:28
who
16:28
are
16:28
the
16:28
people
16:29
and
16:29
teachings
16:30
that
16:30
really
16:31
impacted
16:32
you.
16:33
To
16:34
me,
16:34
it's
16:34
more
16:34
of
16:34
a
16:35
thought,
16:35
a
16:35
sum
16:36
of.
16:36
Instead
16:37
of
16:37
an
16:37
individual,
16:38
since
16:39
a
16:39
kid,
16:39
I
16:39
never
16:40
been
16:40
able
16:40
to
16:40
have
16:40
a
16:41
guru
16:41
or
16:42
a
16:42
santila.
16:43
It
16:43
was
16:43
always
16:44
a
16:44
sum
16:44
of
16:44
the
16:45
things
16:45
I've
16:45
always
16:46
been
16:46
like
16:46
picking.
16:47
I'm
16:48
buffet
16:48
style,
16:49
kind
16:49
of
16:49
the
16:50
person.
16:51
Other
16:51
than
16:51
Nisargadatta
16:52
for
16:52
a
16:52
while.
16:53
Yeah.
16:54
I
16:54
don't
16:54
know.
16:54
For
16:54
you.
16:55
Yeah,
16:55
I
16:55
could
16:56
say
16:56
a
16:56
specific,
16:57
you
16:57
know,
16:57
other
16:57
than
16:57
Nisargadatta.
16:58
Yes.
16:59
What's
16:59
moving
17:00
is
17:00
really
17:00
to
17:00
see
17:00
when
17:01
a
17:01
teaching
17:01
is
17:02
delivered,
17:02
how
17:03
community,
17:04
how
17:04
the
17:04
audience
17:04
responds,
17:06
and
17:06
how
17:06
the
17:06
teaching
17:07
continues
17:08
to
17:08
live.
17:09
That's
17:09
to
17:10
me,
17:10
very
17:10
fascinating
17:11
to
17:12
feel
17:12
and
17:13
follow.
17:14
But
17:14
that
17:15
was
17:15
the
17:15
beauty
17:15
of
17:15
sen,
17:16
that
17:17
we
17:17
didn't
17:18
uplift
17:18
one
17:19
teacher.
17:19
We
17:19
said
17:20
every
17:20
teacher
17:21
has
17:21
a
17:21
pointer
17:22
and
17:22
you
17:22
have
17:22
to
17:23
find
17:23
what's
17:23
right
17:24
for
17:24
you.
17:24
And
17:25
we
17:25
also
17:27
made
17:27
sure
17:27
people
17:27
don't
17:28
project
17:28
on
17:29
teachers
17:30
like,
17:30
it's
17:30
so
17:30
easy,
17:31
especially.
17:32
Yeah,
17:32
good
17:32
luck
17:33
with
17:33
that.
17:33
That's
17:33
amazing
17:35
when
17:35
we
17:35
haven't
17:36
dealt
17:36
with
17:36
our
17:37
own
17:37
trauma
17:37
to
17:38
project
17:38
on
17:38
a
17:38
male
17:39
teacher,
17:39
father
17:40
figure,
17:40
and
17:41
to
17:41
give
17:41
our
17:41
authority.
17:42
It's
17:42
so
17:42
easy.
17:44
So
17:44
I
17:44
think
17:44
part
17:45
of
17:45
our
17:45
work
17:45
was
17:45
also
17:46
educating
17:46
the
17:47
audience
17:47
to
17:48
know
17:49
how
17:49
to
17:49
be
17:50
with
17:50
a
17:50
teacher
17:50
and
17:51
how
17:51
to
17:52
not
17:52
lose
17:52
themselves
17:54
in
17:54
following
17:55
a
17:55
teacher.
17:55
One
17:56
of
17:56
the
17:56
things
17:56
we
17:56
were
17:56
saying
17:57
also
17:57
at
17:57
the
17:57
event,
17:58
there
17:58
is
17:58
people
17:58
tending
17:59
to
17:59
the
17:59
big
17:59
world,
18:00
but
18:00
the
18:01
real
18:01
message,
18:02
maybe
18:02
you'll
18:03
get
18:03
it
18:03
while
18:03
you're
18:03
having
18:03
lunch
18:04
over
18:04
here
18:04
in
18:05
a
18:05
conversation
18:05
about
18:06
two
18:06
people
18:06
next
18:06
to
18:07
you.
18:07
I
18:07
mean,
18:07
what
18:08
I'm
18:08
saying,
18:08
our
18:09
point
18:09
was
18:09
not
18:09
to
18:10
give
18:10
answers
18:11
as
18:11
an
18:11
organization,
18:12
as
18:12
a
18:13
conference,
18:13
but
18:14
to
18:14
raise
18:15
better
18:15
questions
18:16
and
18:16
be
18:17
open
18:17
to
18:17
listen.
18:18
We
18:18
are
18:18
here
18:19
as
18:19
a
18:19
community
18:20
in
18:20
a
18:20
safe
18:20
place
18:21
with
18:21
people
18:22
that
18:22
seem
18:23
capable
18:23
to
18:24
have
18:24
an
18:24
understanding
18:25
of
18:25
something
18:26
and
18:26
they
18:26
are
18:26
open
18:27
to
18:27
listen
18:28
and
18:28
to,
18:29
you
18:29
know,
18:29
interface
18:30
with
18:30
one
18:30
another.
18:31
So
18:31
just
18:31
learn
18:32
that,
18:32
that
18:32
resonates
18:33
with
18:33
me.
18:33
I
18:33
have
18:34
a
18:34
saying.
18:34
Trust
18:35
those
18:35
who
18:35
have
18:36
questions.
18:36
Be
18:37
wary
18:37
of
18:37
those
18:37
who
18:38
have
18:38
answers.
18:39
Flee
18:39
from
18:39
those
18:40
who
18:40
have
18:40
the
18:40
answer.
18:41
Yeah,
18:42
yeah,
18:42
absolutely.
18:43
Yeah.
18:44
And
18:44
beautiful
18:45
that
18:45
you
18:45
deliberately
18:46
fostered
18:47
that
18:48
attitude
18:48
and
18:48
atmosphere
18:49
of
18:49
inquiry
18:51
which
18:51
of
18:51
course
18:51
was.
18:52
Inquiry
18:53
was
18:53
so
18:54
central.
18:54
Nisargadatta
18:55
was,
18:56
you
18:56
know,
18:56
look,
18:57
look
18:57
at
18:57
your
18:57
own
18:58
experience.
18:58
Yeah,
18:59
yeah.
19:00
I
19:00
used
19:00
to
19:00
say
19:00
about
19:00
spiritual
19:01
teachers,
19:01
when
19:01
I
19:02
met
19:02
one,
19:02
I'd
19:02
grab
19:03
my
19:03
pants
19:03
and
19:03
my
19:03
wallet
19:04
and
19:04
get
19:04
out
19:05
of
19:05
the
19:05
room.
19:06
So
19:06
yeah,
19:07
I
19:07
had
19:07
some
19:07
very
19:07
negative
19:08
experiences
19:09
when
19:09
I
19:09
was
19:09
young
19:09
with
19:09
spiritual
19:10
teachers
19:10
and
19:11
it's
19:11
taken
19:12
me
19:12
a
19:12
while
19:12
to
19:12
get
19:13
over
19:13
that.
19:13
Of
19:13
course
19:13
we've
19:14
spent
19:14
many
19:14
hours
19:15
dialoguing
19:16
with
19:16
ah,
19:16
Alamus
19:17
or
19:17
Hamid.
19:17
Right.
19:18
And
19:18
that's
19:19
been
19:20
very
19:20
impactful.
19:21
He
19:21
is
19:21
not
19:21
on
19:21
that
19:22
kind
19:22
of
19:22
ego
19:22
trip
19:23
at
19:23
all.
19:26
Just
19:26
speaking
19:27
from
19:27
his,
19:28
his
19:28
knowledge,
19:29
he's
19:29
very
19:29
smart
19:30
intellectually
19:30
but
19:31
from
19:31
his
19:31
first
19:31
hand
19:32
experience
19:32
he's
19:33
sharing
19:33
and
19:33
it's.
19:33
You
19:34
can
19:34
feel
19:34
it
19:34
when
19:34
you're
19:34
with
19:34
him.
19:35
Yeah,
19:36
yeah.
19:37
And
19:37
thank
19:37
you
19:37
actually
19:38
because
19:38
our
19:39
first
19:39
interview
19:39
came
19:40
out
19:40
of
19:40
I
19:40
think
19:41
the
19:41
last
19:41
sand
19:41
conference
19:42
because
19:42
he
19:43
was
19:43
there
19:43
and
19:44
we
19:44
asked
19:44
him
19:44
if
19:45
he'd
19:45
do
19:45
a
19:45
dialogue
19:46
and
19:46
he
19:46
said
19:46
yes.
19:46
And
19:47
it's
19:48
blossomed
19:49
into
19:49
this
19:49
year
19:50
long
19:51
ongoing
19:52
dialogue
19:52
with
19:53
him
19:53
that
19:53
we've
19:53
had
19:54
as
19:54
we've,
19:54
it's
19:54
been
19:55
incredible
19:55
privilege.
19:56
He
19:56
systematically
19:57
worked
19:57
through
19:57
his
19:57
whole
19:58
teachings
19:58
with
19:58
us.
19:59
So.
20:00
And
20:00
our
20:00
audience
20:01
has
20:01
been
20:01
a
20:01
priceless
20:02
gift.
20:02
So
20:02
thank
20:02
you.
20:03
Yeah.
20:03
He's
20:04
a
20:04
beautiful
20:04
creature,
20:04
that
20:05
man.
20:05
Beautiful,
20:06
beautiful
20:06
person.
20:07
Yeah.
20:07
And
20:08
you
20:08
gave
20:09
a
20:09
sense
20:10
of
20:10
how
20:11
you
20:12
moved
20:12
into
20:13
the
20:14
work
20:14
with
20:14
trauma.
20:15
As
20:15
you
20:15
said,
20:15
you.
20:16
There's
20:16
a
20:16
kind
20:16
of
20:16
evolution
20:17
of
20:18
bringing
20:19
in
20:19
more
20:19
of
20:19
a
20:20
somatic,
20:22
centered,
20:22
body
20:23
centered
20:23
approach
20:24
or
20:24
bringing
20:25
awareness
20:25
to
20:25
that
20:25
and
20:26
becoming
20:27
aware
20:27
of
20:27
hidden
20:28
trauma.
20:28
And
20:28
it
20:29
seems
20:29
like
20:29
that
20:30
was,
20:30
was
20:30
that
20:30
the
20:31
doorway
20:31
then
20:31
for
20:31
you
20:32
to
20:32
move
20:32
into
20:33
your
20:33
focus
20:33
on
20:34
trauma?
20:35
Yeah,
20:35
I
20:35
would
20:35
say
20:35
the
20:36
doorway
20:36
was
20:37
again
20:37
inviting
20:38
Dr.
20:38
Gabor
20:39
Maté
20:39
and
20:39
starting
20:40
to
20:40
invite
20:41
that
20:41
conversation
20:41
into
20:42
send.
20:42
And
20:43
when
20:43
he
20:44
came,
20:45
Maurizio
20:45
and
20:46
I
20:46
suddenly
20:46
thought,
20:47
wow,
20:48
his
20:48
message
20:48
is
20:49
so
20:49
powerful
20:50
and
20:50
so
20:50
important,
20:51
we
20:51
would
20:52
like
20:52
to
20:52
make
20:52
a
20:52
film
20:53
about
20:53
him.
20:54
And
20:54
he
20:55
wasn't
20:55
very
20:55
sure
20:56
at
20:56
the
20:56
beginning,
20:56
you
20:57
know,
20:57
he
20:57
was
20:58
like,
20:58
I
20:58
don't
20:58
know
20:58
you.
20:59
How
20:59
do
20:59
I
20:59
trust
21:00
you?
21:00
You
21:01
don't
21:01
make
21:01
sense.
21:01
So
21:01
it
21:01
took
21:01
a
21:02
while
21:02
for
21:02
him
21:02
to
21:03
be
21:03
convinced.
21:04
And
21:04
we
21:05
were
21:05
like,
21:05
well,
21:05
let's
21:06
just
21:06
start
21:06
with
21:06
one
21:06
interview
21:07
and
21:07
see
21:07
where
21:07
it
21:08
goes.
21:09
So
21:09
that's
21:09
what
21:09
we
21:10
did.
21:10
And
21:11
then
21:11
the
21:12
COVID
21:12
hit
21:13
and
21:13
we
21:13
were
21:13
like,
21:13
okay,
21:14
let's
21:14
edit
21:14
the
21:15
footage
21:15
we
21:15
have.
21:16
So.
21:16
And
21:17
we
21:17
find
21:17
ourselves
21:18
missing
21:19
a
21:19
lot
21:19
of
21:19
footage.
21:20
So
21:20
we
21:20
had
21:20
to
21:20
became
21:21
creative.
21:22
Yeah.
21:23
And
21:23
yeah.
21:24
So
21:24
during
21:24
COVID
21:25
we
21:25
actually
21:26
finished
21:26
the
21:26
movie
21:27
because
21:27
we
21:27
stopped
21:28
with
21:28
sand
21:29
conferences
21:29
in
21:29
person
21:30
and
21:30
we
21:31
released
21:31
it.
21:32
And
21:32
it
21:33
was
21:34
like
21:34
it
21:34
became
21:35
viral
21:35
overnight.
21:37
Really.
21:37
Like
21:37
we
21:38
didn't
21:38
expect.
21:38
We
21:39
thought
21:39
maybe
21:40
20,000
21:40
therapists
21:41
in
21:41
the
21:41
US
21:42
will
21:42
care
21:42
to
21:42
see
21:43
the
21:43
film.
21:44
We
21:44
had
21:44
5
21:44
million
21:45
people.
21:45
Like
21:46
first
21:48
service
21:48
fell.
21:49
Everything
21:49
fell
21:50
asleep
21:50
just
21:50
like
21:50
when.
21:51
Because
21:52
it
21:52
was
21:52
Covid.
21:53
Because
21:53
people
21:53
were
21:54
alone
21:54
at
21:54
home
21:54
and
21:55
people
21:55
were
21:55
like
21:56
feeling
21:57
it.
21:57
It
21:57
was
21:57
close
21:58
to
21:58
everybody's
21:59
skin.
21:59
And
22:00
what.
22:00
What
22:00
is
22:00
the
22:00
name
22:00
of
22:00
the
22:01
film?
22:01
So
22:01
everybody.
22:02
The
22:02
Wisdom
22:03
of
22:03
Trauma.
22:04
And
22:04
it's
22:05
still
22:05
available
22:05
online
22:06
on
22:06
our
22:06
website.
22:07
The
22:07
wisdom
22:07
of
22:08
trauma.com
22:09
one
22:09
of
22:09
the
22:09
things
22:09
that
22:10
happened.
22:10
We
22:10
offered
22:11
this
22:11
movie
22:11
by
22:12
donation,
22:12
including
22:13
zero.
22:14
So
22:14
if
22:15
somebody
22:16
needs
22:16
to
22:16
watch
22:16
one
22:16
hour
22:17
of
22:17
our
22:17
work,
22:18
participate
22:18
one
22:18
of
22:19
our
22:19
event.
22:19
We
22:20
always
22:20
have
22:20
the
22:20
include
22:21
in
22:21
$0
22:22
because
22:22
it
22:23
makes
22:23
no
22:23
sense
22:24
otherwise.
22:24
So.
22:25
So
22:25
I
22:25
would
22:25
say
22:25
that
22:26
really
22:26
extended
22:27
the
22:27
audience.
22:28
Our
22:28
audience.
22:29
Because
22:30
the
22:30
movie
22:31
when
22:31
everywhere
22:32
where
22:32
was
22:32
needed.
22:34
Universe
22:34
translating
22:35
34
22:35
languages
22:36
now
22:36
addiction
22:37
recovery
22:38
centers,
22:38
prisons.
22:40
It
22:40
just.
22:40
It
22:41
was
22:41
needed
22:41
in
22:42
the
22:42
collect
22:42
in
22:43
the
22:43
collective
22:43
psyche.
22:45
And
22:46
we
22:46
thought
22:46
we'll
22:47
be
22:47
done
22:47
release
22:48
the
22:48
film
22:48
and
22:48
then
22:48
we
22:48
move
22:49
on
22:49
and
22:49
continue
22:49
with
22:50
Sen.
22:50
That's
22:51
not
22:51
what
22:52
was
22:52
asked.
22:52
Like
22:53
we
22:53
spend
22:54
the
22:54
next
22:54
four
22:54
or
22:54
five
22:55
years
22:55
really
22:56
diving
22:56
and
22:57
providing
22:57
a
22:57
lot
22:58
of
22:58
courses
22:59
and
23:00
education
23:00
around
23:01
trauma
23:02
and
23:02
online.
23:03
Online.
23:04
Because
23:05
mostly
23:05
online.
23:06
Yes.
23:06
With
23:07
Gabor
23:07
and.
23:09
And
23:09
other.
23:09
And
23:10
the
23:10
film
23:10
was
23:10
released.
23:11
When
23:12
we
23:12
released
23:12
the
23:12
movie,
23:13
we
23:13
had
23:13
online
23:13
event
23:14
with
23:14
over
23:15
40,
23:16
50
23:17
top
23:17
therapists
23:18
in
23:18
the
23:18
country.
23:19
So
23:19
conversation.
23:20
And
23:21
so
23:21
there's
23:21
a
23:22
package
23:22
of
23:23
conversation
23:23
which
23:23
is
23:24
very
23:24
rich.
23:25
Super
23:25
rich.
23:26
And
23:26
as
23:27
you
23:27
said,
23:27
the.
23:27
The.
23:28
When
23:28
everything
23:28
fell
23:28
apart.
23:29
The
23:29
amazing
23:29
thing
23:29
that.
23:30
I
23:30
mean,
23:31
93%
23:32
of
23:33
the
23:33
people
23:33
put
23:33
zero
23:33
because
23:34
the
23:34
server
23:34
everything
23:35
fall
23:35
apart.
23:36
And.
23:37
But
23:37
still
23:38
in
23:38
this
23:38
big
23:39
number,
23:39
we
23:39
were
23:39
able
23:40
to
23:40
cover
23:40
the
23:40
cost
23:41
of
23:41
the
23:41
film
23:41
and
23:41
be
23:41
able
23:42
to
23:42
continue
23:42
our
23:43
journey.
23:43
And
23:44
now
23:44
this.
23:44
Like
23:44
for
23:45
example,
23:45
we
23:45
heard.
23:46
Yes.
23:46
A
23:46
few
23:46
days
23:47
ago
23:47
we
23:47
heard
23:47
that
23:47
the
23:48
movie
23:48
has
23:48
been
23:48
seen
23:49
by
23:49
27,000
23:50
inmates
23:52
in
23:52
prisons
23:52
in
23:52
the
23:52
United
23:53
States
23:54
and
23:54
actually
23:54
also
23:54
in
23:55
Germany.
23:55
I
23:55
think
23:56
27.
23:57
That's
23:57
really,
23:57
really
23:58
awesome.
23:58
You
23:58
Guys.
23:58
Yeah.
23:59
There
23:59
is
23:59
an
23:59
organization,
24:00
compassionate
24:01
prison
24:01
project
24:02
that
24:02
brings
24:03
use
24:03
the
24:03
movie
24:04
amongst
24:05
other
24:06
other
24:06
work
24:06
they
24:07
do.
24:07
A
24:07
beautiful
24:07
organization
24:08
to
24:09
support
24:09
inmates.
24:10
Beautiful.
24:11
Yeah.
24:12
Yeah.
24:13
And
24:14
this
24:14
is
24:14
one
24:15
of
24:15
the
24:15
beautiful
24:16
things
24:16
about
24:17
your
24:18
work
24:18
is
24:18
that
24:19
it's
24:19
clearly
24:21
both
24:21
a
24:22
response
24:22
to
24:23
whatever
24:23
is
24:24
being
24:24
called
24:25
for
24:25
and
24:26
coming
24:26
out
24:27
of
24:27
your
24:27
own
24:27
heart
24:27
and
24:28
passion
24:28
and
24:29
an
24:29
intertwining
24:30
of
24:30
beautiful
24:31
intertwining
24:32
throughout
24:32
your
24:32
work
24:33
of
24:33
this
24:34
personal.
24:36
The
24:36
personal
24:36
and
24:37
the
24:37
professional
24:37
and
24:38
the
24:38
contributory.
24:39
It
24:39
feels
24:40
like
24:40
you've
24:40
melded
24:41
those
24:41
in
24:41
a
24:41
beautiful
24:42
way
24:42
and
24:42
that
24:42
you've
24:42
just
24:43
turned
24:44
your
24:44
work
24:44
and
24:44
your
24:44
passion
24:45
into.
24:45
Into
24:46
a
24:46
spiritual
24:46
practice
24:47
in
24:47
a
24:47
beautiful
24:48
way.
24:48
Yeah.
24:49
Yeah,
24:49
definitely.
24:50
Yeah.
24:51
And
24:51
we
24:52
do
24:53
feel
24:53
like
24:53
there
24:53
is
24:54
no
24:54
spiritual
24:55
work
24:55
without
24:55
trauma
24:56
work.
24:56
Really.
24:57
That's
24:57
right.
24:58
The
24:58
same.
24:59
And
24:59
I
24:59
think
25:00
that
25:00
awareness
25:01
now,
25:01
it's.
25:01
It's
25:02
everywhere
25:02
we
25:03
see
25:03
it.
25:04
Yeah.
25:04
And
25:04
not
25:04
only
25:05
there
25:05
is
25:05
no
25:05
spiritual
25:06
work
25:07
period.
25:07
There
25:07
is
25:08
life.
25:08
Every
25:08
breath
25:09
we
25:09
take
25:09
is
25:09
spiritual.
25:10
The
25:10
way
25:10
we
25:10
buy
25:10
a
25:11
piece
25:11
a
25:11
milk
25:12
instead
25:12
of.
25:13
Everything
25:13
is
25:13
spiritual
25:14
work.
25:14
Everything
25:15
we
25:15
do
25:15
is
25:15
spiritual.
25:16
If
25:16
you
25:16
start
25:16
separate
25:17
spirituality.
25:18
Oh,
25:18
this
25:18
is
25:18
spiritual.
25:19
This
25:19
is
25:19
social,
25:19
this
25:20
is
25:20
politics,
25:20
this
25:20
is
25:21
ecology.
25:21
This
25:21
is.
25:23
Does
25:23
division
25:24
are,
25:24
you
25:24
know.
25:25
Right.
25:26
Initially
25:27
a
25:27
lot
25:27
of
25:27
the
25:27
spiritual
25:28
teacher
25:28
at
25:29
SEN
25:29
did
25:29
not
25:30
want
25:30
to
25:30
deal
25:30
with
25:30
the
25:31
human
25:31
pain.
25:31
Was
25:32
like,
25:33
let's
25:33
just,
25:33
you
25:34
know,
25:34
spiritual
25:34
bypassing.
25:35
I'm
25:35
sure
25:35
viewers
25:37
conversations
25:37
on
25:38
that
25:39
was
25:39
very
25:39
real.
25:40
And
25:41
I
25:42
like
25:42
the
25:42
expression
25:43
you
25:44
run
25:44
over
25:44
an
25:45
omelet
25:45
on
25:45
your
25:46
way
25:46
to
25:46
yoga,
25:47
right.
25:47
You
25:47
run
25:48
over
25:48
that
25:48
because
25:48
you
25:49
are
25:49
late
25:49
to
25:49
your
25:49
yoga
25:50
class.
25:50
I
25:51
have
25:51
to
25:51
be
25:51
spiritual.
25:52
Get
25:52
away.
25:52
You
25:53
know,
25:53
this
25:53
kind
25:53
of
25:54
behavior
25:54
that
25:54
we
25:54
have
25:55
separated,
25:55
you
25:55
know,
25:56
compartmentalize
25:57
our
25:57
moments
25:58
of
25:58
our
25:59
lives.
25:59
Now
26:00
I'm
26:00
gonna
26:00
be
26:00
spiritual
26:01
for
26:01
10
26:01
minutes.
26:03
I
26:03
can
26:04
continue
26:05
and
26:05
then
26:05
I
26:06
can
26:06
continue.
26:06
You
26:06
know,
26:07
respect.
26:07
Yeah.
26:08
And
26:08
my.
26:08
My
26:08
native
26:09
American
26:09
teacher,
26:09
Wallace
26:10
Black
26:10
Elk.
26:10
But
26:11
you
26:11
know,
26:11
there
26:11
was
26:12
nothing
26:12
for
26:12
the
26:12
native
26:13
people
26:14
that
26:14
was
26:14
not
26:14
spiritual.
26:15
Yeah,
26:15
there
26:15
was,
26:16
there
26:16
wasn't
26:16
that
26:17
separation.
26:18
Modernity
26:18
helped
26:19
us
26:19
to
26:19
do
26:19
that,
26:20
you
26:20
know.
26:20
So.
26:20
Yeah.
26:21
And
26:21
if
26:21
you
26:21
talk
26:21
about
26:22
non
26:22
duality.
26:22
If
26:23
everything
26:23
is
26:23
spirit,
26:24
everything
26:24
is
26:24
connected,
26:25
everything
26:25
is
26:25
spiritual.
26:26
Everything.
26:26
The
26:27
air,
26:27
the
26:28
water,
26:29
the.
26:29
Everything
26:30
is.
26:30
So
26:31
how
26:31
can
26:31
something
26:32
not
26:32
be
26:32
spiritual
26:33
of
26:33
those
26:34
things?
26:35
Right.
26:37
Of
26:37
those
26:37
relationship
26:38
of
26:38
those
26:38
moments.
26:39
You
26:40
have
26:41
been
26:41
immersed
26:42
in
26:43
the
26:43
world
26:43
of
26:43
trauma
26:44
for
26:44
several
26:44
years
26:45
now.
26:45
How
26:46
has
26:46
your
26:46
own
26:47
understanding
26:48
developed
26:49
over
26:49
that
26:49
time?
26:51
Yeah,
26:51
well,
26:51
we
26:52
all
26:52
have
26:52
traumas.
26:53
Nobody
26:54
is
26:54
spared.
26:55
We
26:55
all
26:55
carry
26:56
traumas.
26:57
Some
26:57
of
26:57
them
26:57
started
26:58
in
26:58
our
26:58
childhood,
26:59
others
27:00
started
27:00
way
27:00
before
27:01
in
27:01
our
27:02
grandparents,
27:03
parents,
27:04
like
27:04
now
27:04
there
27:04
is
27:05
also
27:05
science
27:05
that
27:06
talks
27:06
about
27:06
epigenetics.
27:08
So
27:08
we
27:09
all
27:09
carry
27:09
those
27:10
wounds.
27:11
Indigenous
27:11
people
27:12
would
27:12
say
27:12
Their
27:13
soul
27:13
wounds
27:13
or.
27:14
And
27:14
blessings.
27:15
And
27:16
they're
27:16
both.
27:16
They're
27:17
pain,
27:17
they're
27:18
wounds,
27:18
but
27:18
they're
27:19
also
27:19
our
27:19
gifts.
27:20
I
27:21
would
27:21
say
27:21
with
27:21
the
27:21
wisdom
27:22
of
27:22
trauma,
27:22
with
27:22
the
27:22
work
27:23
of
27:23
Gabor
27:23
Maté,
27:24
what
27:24
really
27:25
that
27:25
film
27:25
did
27:26
help
27:26
people
27:27
understand.
27:27
You
27:27
are
27:27
not
27:27
alone
27:28
with
27:28
your
27:29
pain.
27:29
We
27:29
all
27:30
share
27:30
pains
27:31
and
27:32
it's
27:32
not
27:32
your
27:32
fault
27:33
because
27:33
often
27:34
when
27:34
we
27:34
feel
27:34
the
27:35
pain,
27:35
it
27:35
comes
27:36
with
27:36
shame.
27:36
It
27:37
comes
27:37
with
27:37
a
27:38
self
27:38
doubt.
27:39
And
27:40
when
27:40
that
27:40
is
27:41
released,
27:41
then
27:42
we
27:42
can
27:42
be
27:42
with
27:43
the
27:43
pain
27:43
we
27:43
don't
27:43
need
27:43
to
27:44
fix.
27:44
It
27:45
might
27:45
not
27:45
be
27:45
a
27:45
work
27:46
of
27:46
our
27:46
lifetime.
27:47
We
27:47
might
27:47
be,
27:47
you
27:48
know,
27:48
it
27:48
will
27:48
continue
27:50
from
27:50
generation
27:50
to
27:51
generation.
27:52
But
27:52
whatever
27:53
we
27:53
can
27:53
do
27:53
in
27:53
our
27:53
lifetime
27:55
will
27:55
advance
27:56
the.
27:56
And
27:57
the
27:57
release
27:57
of
27:57
trauma.
27:58
In
27:58
my
27:58
experience,
27:58
we.
27:59
It
27:59
was
27:59
a
27:59
big
27:59
part
28:00
of
28:00
my
28:00
work
28:00
with
28:00
addicts
28:01
was
28:02
that
28:02
when
28:02
you,
28:03
you
28:03
release
28:03
it,
28:03
there's
28:04
so
28:04
much
28:04
energy
28:05
that's
28:05
released.
28:06
It's
28:06
a
28:07
lot
28:07
of.
28:07
It's
28:07
held
28:07
there.
28:08
And
28:08
Dennis
28:09
like
28:09
there's
28:09
so
28:09
much
28:09
more
28:10
energy
28:10
for
28:10
living,
28:11
for
28:11
creativity,
28:12
for
28:12
loving,
28:12
for
28:13
being
28:13
a
28:13
human,
28:14
for
28:14
seeing
28:14
the
28:14
world
28:15
as
28:15
it
28:15
is.
28:16
Yes,
28:16
it's
28:16
our
28:17
life
28:17
force
28:17
that
28:18
is
28:18
caught
28:18
in
28:18
that.
28:19
And
28:19
every.
28:20
All
28:20
our
28:20
energy
28:21
goes
28:21
to
28:21
keep
28:22
that
28:23
wound.
28:23
And
28:24
yeah,
28:25
that's
28:25
a
28:25
lot
28:25
of
28:25
people
28:26
came
28:26
to
28:26
us
28:27
that
28:27
struggle
28:27
with
28:28
addiction,
28:28
all
28:29
kinds
28:29
of
28:29
addiction.
28:29
And
28:30
addiction
28:30
is
28:30
just
28:31
trying
28:31
to
28:31
soothe.
28:33
Everybody
28:33
knows
28:33
that
28:34
today
28:35
it's
28:35
not
28:35
the
28:36
fault
28:36
of
28:36
this
28:36
individual.
28:37
It's
28:37
just
28:38
their
28:38
way
28:38
of
28:38
soothing
28:39
the
28:39
pain.
28:39
And
28:40
it's
28:40
a
28:41
coping
28:41
mechanism
28:42
because
28:43
when
28:44
you
28:44
feel
28:44
alone
28:44
and
28:44
isolated,
28:45
that's
28:46
what
28:46
helps.
28:47
And
28:48
once
28:48
that
28:49
blame
28:50
on
28:50
the
28:50
individual
28:50
is
28:51
released,
28:51
then
28:52
they
28:52
can
28:52
begin
28:53
to
28:53
actually
28:54
heal
28:55
the
28:55
wound.
28:56
So
28:57
they
28:57
don't
28:57
need
28:58
to
28:58
reach
28:58
for
28:59
self
29:00
medicating
29:00
and,
29:01
and,
29:02
or
29:02
self
29:02
harming,
29:03
which
29:03
often
29:03
happens
29:04
as
29:04
well.
29:04
Or
29:05
self
29:05
annihilating.
29:06
Yeah,
29:07
yeah.
29:08
And
29:09
then
29:09
that
29:09
is
29:10
a
29:10
spiritual
29:10
work
29:11
because
29:11
once
29:12
we
29:12
kind
29:12
of,
29:13
you
29:13
know,
29:14
healing
29:14
means
29:14
wholeness.
29:15
Like
29:16
once
29:16
we
29:17
connect
29:17
to
29:17
the
29:17
parts
29:18
of
29:18
ourselves
29:18
that
29:19
we
29:19
have
29:19
lost,
29:19
that
29:20
they
29:20
have
29:20
been
29:20
fragmented
29:21
because
29:21
of
29:22
the
29:22
trauma,
29:23
we
29:23
begin
29:23
to
29:24
feel
29:24
more
29:24
whole
29:25
and
29:26
more
29:26
here,
29:26
more
29:27
present,
29:27
which
29:28
is
29:28
what
29:28
spiritual
29:29
teachers
29:29
are
29:30
inviting
29:30
us
29:31
be
29:31
here,
29:31
be
29:32
fully
29:32
present.
29:32
But
29:32
we
29:33
often
29:33
cannot
29:33
be
29:34
present
29:34
because
29:34
of
29:35
the
29:35
pain.
29:35
And
29:36
that
29:36
pain
29:36
needs
29:37
a
29:37
voice,
29:38
needs
29:38
space
29:39
to
29:39
be
29:39
held,
29:39
to
29:40
be
29:40
loved
29:41
in
29:41
a
29:41
way.
29:43
You,
29:43
you've
29:43
just
29:43
been
29:43
giving
29:44
a
29:44
very
29:44
beautiful
29:45
description
29:46
of
29:46
some
29:46
of
29:46
the
29:47
factors
29:47
of
29:47
healing
29:48
and
29:48
some
29:48
of
29:48
the
29:48
ways
29:49
in
29:49
which
29:49
healing
29:49
can
29:50
occur.
29:50
I'd
29:50
like
29:51
to
29:51
just
29:51
invite
29:52
you
29:52
both.
29:52
What
29:53
else
29:53
have
29:53
you
29:53
learned?
29:53
I
29:53
mean
29:54
you
29:54
were,
29:54
you've
29:54
really
29:55
been
29:55
immersed
29:56
in
29:56
this
29:56
field
29:56
of
29:57
trauma
29:57
for
29:57
some
29:58
time
29:58
and
29:59
you've
29:59
been
30:00
this
30:00
very
30:00
interesting
30:01
Perspective
30:02
having
30:02
imbibing
30:03
from
30:04
some
30:04
very
30:04
smart
30:05
therapists
30:05
on
30:06
the
30:06
one
30:06
hand
30:06
and
30:07
spiritual
30:07
teachers
30:08
on
30:08
the
30:08
other.
30:09
What
30:09
else
30:09
have
30:10
you
30:10
learned
30:10
about
30:11
that's
30:11
really
30:12
crucial
30:12
for
30:13
healing
30:13
from
30:14
trauma?
30:15
To
30:15
me
30:15
personally,
30:16
I
30:16
had
30:16
to
30:17
go
30:17
deep
30:18
to
30:19
find
30:20
the
30:20
little
30:21
boy
30:21
who
30:22
was
30:22
terrified
30:24
in
30:24
the
30:24
living
30:24
room
30:25
of
30:25
my
30:26
family's
30:26
house
30:27
at
30:27
the
30:27
age
30:28
of
30:28
six.
30:29
And
30:29
he
30:29
was
30:29
paralyzed
30:30
in
30:30
the
30:31
middle
30:31
of
30:31
the
30:31
living
30:31
room
30:32
for
30:33
my
30:33
mom
30:33
died
30:34
when
30:34
I
30:34
was
30:35
six.
30:35
And
30:36
that
30:37
boy
30:37
was
30:37
left
30:37
there,
30:39
was
30:39
left
30:39
there.
30:40
I
30:40
felt
30:41
it
30:41
that
30:41
he
30:41
was
30:42
left
30:42
there
30:42
parablocked.
30:43
And
30:44
when
30:44
I
30:44
saw
30:45
him,
30:45
it
30:45
was
30:46
a
30:46
2D
30:46
figure.
30:47
And
30:47
it
30:47
took
30:47
time
30:48
to
30:48
be
30:48
able
30:48
to
30:49
make
30:49
it
30:49
become
30:49
a
30:49
3D
30:50
figure.
30:51
And
30:51
it
30:51
took
30:51
time
30:52
to
30:52
invite
30:52
this
30:53
little
30:53
part
30:54
of
30:54
me
30:55
and
30:56
being
30:56
able
30:57
to
30:57
hold
30:57
him
30:58
and
30:59
take
30:59
him
30:59
with
30:59
me
30:59
in
31:00
the
31:00
U.S.
31:01
if
31:01
you
31:01
wish,
31:02
take
31:02
him
31:02
with
31:03
me
31:03
present
31:03
now,
31:04
in
31:04
this
31:05
day,
31:05
to
31:06
know
31:06
that
31:07
when
31:07
the
31:07
little
31:07
boy
31:08
get
31:08
in
31:08
a
31:09
panic,
31:09
get
31:10
scared,
31:11
I
31:12
know
31:12
I
31:12
have
31:12
to
31:12
be
31:12
able
31:13
to.
31:13
To
31:14
call
31:14
on
31:14
him
31:14
and
31:15
reassure
31:15
him.
31:16
You
31:16
know,
31:16
he's
31:16
a
31:17
part
31:17
of
31:17
me.
31:17
So
31:18
that
31:18
for.
31:18
To
31:19
me
31:19
personally,
31:19
for
31:19
example,
31:20
just
31:20
one
31:20
thing
31:21
of
31:21
the
31:21
many.
31:23
You
31:23
know,
31:23
when
31:24
I
31:24
was,
31:24
when
31:24
I
31:24
was
31:25
a
31:25
child,
31:26
young
31:27
boy,
31:27
I
31:27
had
31:28
a
31:28
dream,
31:28
it's
31:29
very
31:29
powerful
31:29
dream
31:30
that
31:30
never.
31:30
I
31:31
could
31:31
not,
31:31
not
31:32
remember
31:32
it.
31:33
And
31:33
in
31:33
the,
31:33
in
31:33
the
31:34
dream,
31:34
I'm
31:34
standing
31:34
in
31:34
front
31:35
of
31:35
this
31:35
black
31:35
pit
31:36
of
31:36
all
31:36
this
31:36
darkness
31:37
and
31:37
horrible
31:38
stuff,
31:38
and
31:38
I
31:38
fall
31:39
into
31:39
the
31:39
pit
31:39
and
31:39
I
31:40
just
31:40
go
31:40
down
31:41
and
31:41
down
31:41
through
31:41
all
31:42
this
31:42
horrible
31:43
stuff
31:44
and
31:44
then
31:44
finally
31:45
I
31:45
break
31:45
out
31:45
into
31:46
this
31:46
beautiful
31:47
ocean
31:47
of
31:48
light.
31:48
And
31:48
all,
31:49
all
31:49
the,
31:50
the
31:50
gore
31:50
and
31:51
all
31:51
the
31:51
stuff
31:51
just
31:51
washes
31:52
out
31:53
of
31:53
me
31:53
and
31:53
washes
31:54
off
31:54
me
31:54
and
31:54
I'm
31:54
in
31:55
just
31:55
wonderful
31:55
ocean
31:56
of
31:56
light
31:56
and
31:56
love.
31:56
It's
31:57
just
31:57
spectacular.
31:58
And
31:58
I,
31:58
I
31:58
didn't
31:59
know
31:59
what
31:59
it
31:59
meant
31:59
for
31:59
a
31:59
long
31:59
time,
32:00
but
32:00
I
32:00
think
32:00
I
32:00
don't
32:01
have
32:01
to
32:01
explain
32:02
now
32:02
what
32:02
it
32:02
meant,
32:03
but
32:03
that,
32:03
that
32:03
one
32:04
of
32:04
those
32:04
dreams
32:04
that
32:04
really
32:05
marked
32:05
me
32:05
for
32:05
life.
32:05
A
32:06
real
32:06
gift.
32:07
Beautiful,
32:07
I
32:08
would
32:08
say
32:08
for
32:08
me
32:09
also,
32:09
it's.
32:10
I've
32:11
learned
32:11
that
32:11
we,
32:11
we're
32:12
never
32:12
healed.
32:13
Like
32:13
healing
32:14
never
32:14
ends.
32:15
Like
32:15
it's
32:15
a
32:15
lifelong
32:16
journey,
32:17
that
32:18
this
32:18
is
32:18
why
32:18
we
32:19
have
32:19
this
32:19
human
32:19
body,
32:20
this
32:20
is
32:20
why
32:20
we're
32:21
here.
32:22
And
32:23
so
32:23
that's
32:23
also
32:23
a
32:24
good
32:24
way
32:25
to
32:26
counteract
32:27
modernity
32:27
because
32:28
modernity
32:28
is
32:29
like,
32:29
okay,
32:29
if
32:29
you
32:29
do
32:29
these
32:30
three
32:30
things,
32:31
you're
32:31
going
32:31
to
32:31
be
32:31
fixed
32:32
on
32:32
the
32:32
other
32:32
side.
32:32
You
32:33
can
32:33
actually
32:33
start
32:33
living.
32:34
It's
32:35
like,
32:35
no,
32:35
it
32:35
doesn't
32:35
work
32:36
that
32:36
way.
32:36
We
32:37
need
32:37
to
32:37
live
32:38
now
32:38
with
32:38
the
32:39
pain,
32:39
with
32:39
the
32:40
wounds,
32:41
and
32:41
keep
32:42
loving
32:42
life
32:43
as
32:43
it
32:43
is
32:44
in
32:44
a
32:44
way
32:44
which
32:44
is
32:45
not
32:45
always
32:45
easy.
32:46
And
32:46
the
32:47
other
32:47
big
32:47
learning
32:48
is
32:48
that
32:49
trauma
32:49
is
32:50
not
32:50
individual.
32:51
You
32:51
know,
32:51
we
32:52
have
32:52
our
32:53
trauma
32:53
that
32:53
started
32:53
in
32:54
childhood,
32:54
but
32:55
now
32:55
we
32:55
know
32:55
trauma
32:56
is
32:56
intergenerational,
32:57
is
32:58
collective.
32:58
Yes,
32:59
it's
32:59
historical.
33:00
And
33:01
no
33:01
trauma
33:02
work
33:02
can
33:03
really
33:03
be
33:04
holistic
33:05
without
33:05
including
33:06
the
33:07
history
33:07
that
33:07
we
33:07
all
33:08
carry.
33:08
And
33:08
they're
33:09
very
33:09
unique,
33:09
depending
33:10
where
33:10
we
33:10
come
33:11
from,
33:12
what
33:12
happened
33:13
to
33:13
our
33:13
ancestors.
33:14
So
33:14
starting
33:15
to
33:15
see
33:15
that
33:15
kind
33:16
of
33:16
a
33:16
more
33:16
deep
33:17
time
33:17
perspective
33:18
is
33:18
very
33:19
important
33:19
in,
33:20
in
33:20
our
33:20
healing
33:21
journey.
33:21
And
33:22
just
33:22
one
33:23
more
33:23
deep
33:24
time.
33:24
Yesterday
33:25
we
33:25
were
33:25
speaking
33:25
with
33:26
the
33:26
Māori
33:26
elders,
33:27
which
33:27
was
33:27
part
33:28
of
33:28
the
33:28
release
33:28
of
33:28
our
33:29
latest
33:29
film
33:29
Māori.
33:31
And
33:31
they
33:31
traced
33:32
their
33:32
genealogy
33:33
to
33:33
back
33:34
to
33:34
the
33:34
stars.
33:35
So
33:35
it's
33:35
like
33:36
who
33:37
are
33:37
we
33:37
if
33:37
our
33:38
ancestors
33:39
are
33:39
the
33:39
stars?
33:40
You
33:40
know,
33:40
13
33:40
billion
33:41
years.
33:42
And
33:42
at
33:42
the
33:42
same
33:42
time
33:43
they
33:43
also
33:43
know
33:44
15
33:45
generations
33:46
the
33:46
name
33:46
of
33:46
their
33:47
ancestors.
33:47
They
33:48
know
33:48
the
33:48
name
33:49
of
33:49
their
33:49
ancestor
33:50
for
33:50
15
33:51
generations?
33:52
Yes,
33:53
most
33:53
of
33:53
that.
33:54
That
33:54
doubles
33:54
what
33:55
the
33:55
biblical
33:56
things.
33:56
That's
33:57
what
33:57
the
33:57
Native
33:57
Americans
33:58
say.
33:58
They
33:58
usually
33:59
say
33:59
seven
33:59
generations.
34:00
But
34:00
these
34:00
guys
34:01
took
34:01
it
34:01
further.
34:02
It's
34:02
unbelievable.
34:03
I
34:03
remember
34:03
they
34:03
were,
34:03
when
34:04
we
34:04
went
34:04
there,
34:04
they
34:04
were
34:04
making
34:05
jokes
34:05
about
34:06
some
34:06
people
34:06
in
34:06
the
34:06
west,
34:07
they
34:07
barely
34:07
know
34:07
the
34:08
name
34:08
of
34:08
their
34:08
grand
34:08
grandparents.
34:09
And
34:09
I
34:09
realized,
34:10
oh.
34:13
Yes,
34:14
sorry,
34:14
interrupt.
34:15
Because.
34:15
Yeah,
34:16
yeah,
34:16
yeah.
34:16
Because
34:17
we
34:17
are
34:17
made
34:18
of
34:18
those
34:19
ancestors.
34:19
They
34:20
live
34:20
in
34:20
us.
34:20
So
34:21
as
34:21
if
34:21
we
34:22
want
34:22
to
34:22
know
34:22
ourselves,
34:23
we
34:23
need
34:24
to
34:25
know
34:25
who
34:25
they
34:26
are
34:26
and,
34:28
and,
34:28
and
34:28
how
34:28
do
34:28
we.
34:29
Spell
34:29
Mauri
34:29
so
34:30
people
34:30
can
34:30
find
34:31
this
34:31
film.
34:31
M
34:32
A
34:32
U
34:33
R
34:34
I.
34:35
Okay,
34:35
that's
34:35
what
34:35
I
34:35
thought.
34:36
Okay,
34:36
thank
34:36
you.
34:36
Vital
34:37
essence
34:37
of
34:38
all
34:38
being.
34:38
Yes.
34:39
Is
34:39
Māori
34:40
is
34:40
the
34:40
culture.
34:40
But
34:41
M
34:41
A
34:42
U
34:42
instead
34:42
of
34:43
O.
34:43
M
34:43
A
34:44
U
34:44
R
34:44
I
34:44
is
34:45
the
34:45
vital
34:45
essence
34:46
of,
34:46
of
34:46
all
34:47
beings.
34:47
Means
34:48
eternalsong.org
34:50
Māori
34:50
and
34:51
the
34:51
uri.
34:51
Ah,
34:52
okay,
34:52
great.
34:53
Let's
34:53
see.
34:53
I
34:53
just
34:53
want
34:54
to
34:54
make
34:54
sure
34:54
a
34:55
couple
34:55
of
34:55
things
34:55
you
34:55
said
34:56
were
34:56
so
34:56
important
34:57
we
34:57
don't
34:57
get.
34:57
They
34:58
don't
34:58
get
34:58
lost.
34:58
One,
34:59
you
34:59
talked
34:59
about
35:00
the
35:00
way
35:00
in
35:01
which
35:01
there
35:02
can
35:02
be
35:02
this
35:02
belief
35:03
that.
35:03
Well,
35:04
first
35:04
off,
35:04
you
35:04
pointed
35:05
out
35:05
that
35:05
healing
35:06
is
35:06
a
35:06
lifelong
35:07
process,
35:07
which
35:07
is
35:08
really
35:08
important
35:08
to
35:08
acknowledge
35:09
and
35:09
that
35:10
so,
35:10
so
35:10
often
35:11
there's
35:11
the
35:12
presumption
35:13
that
35:13
at
35:13
some
35:14
stage
35:14
I'm
35:15
going
35:15
to
35:15
be
35:15
through
35:15
this
35:16
and
35:16
then
35:16
I
35:16
can
35:16
live,
35:17
which
35:17
is
35:17
what
35:18
you're
35:18
saying.
35:19
And
35:19
the
35:19
transactional
35:20
analysis
35:20
analysts
35:21
have
35:21
a
35:21
great
35:22
term
35:22
for
35:22
that.
35:22
They
35:23
call
35:23
it
35:23
the
35:23
until
35:24
game.
35:24
I
35:24
can't
35:25
be
35:25
happy
35:25
until,
35:26
I
35:26
can't
35:27
live
35:27
until,
35:29
which
35:29
is
35:30
a
35:30
very
35:30
limiting
35:31
belief.
35:31
So
35:31
I
35:32
just
35:32
wanted
35:32
to
35:32
emphasize
35:33
the
35:33
importance
35:34
of
35:34
what
35:34
you
35:34
were
35:34
saying
35:35
there.
35:35
And
35:35
then
35:35
the
35:36
second
35:36
theme
35:37
you
35:37
brought
35:37
in
35:38
that
35:38
the
35:39
systemic
35:40
and
35:40
generational
35:41
nature
35:42
Of.
35:43
Of
35:43
suffering
35:44
and
35:44
trauma,
35:44
that
35:45
these
35:45
things
35:45
can
35:46
be
35:46
communicated
35:47
across
35:48
cultures
35:49
and
35:49
across
35:50
generations.
35:50
And
35:50
of
35:51
course,
35:51
we
35:51
see
35:51
that.
35:52
And
35:52
we
35:52
see
35:52
that
35:53
underlying
35:53
so
35:54
many
35:54
of
35:54
the
35:54
conflicts
35:55
in
35:55
the
35:55
world
35:55
today,
35:56
so
35:56
much
35:57
tragedy
35:57
and
35:57
suffering.
35:58
Part
35:58
of
35:58
my
35:58
understanding
35:59
of
35:59
the
35:59
trauma
35:59
work
35:59
that
36:00
I've
36:00
done
36:01
is
36:01
that
36:01
when
36:02
we
36:02
do
36:02
trauma
36:02
work,
36:03
often
36:03
it's
36:03
not
36:03
just
36:04
for
36:04
our
36:04
own
36:04
individual
36:05
trauma.
36:05
It's
36:06
for
36:06
the
36:06
collective
36:06
trauma.
36:07
And
36:07
I
36:07
was
36:07
meditating
36:07
in
36:08
Berlin
36:08
one
36:08
time,
36:09
homes
36:09
of
36:09
a
36:09
friend.
36:10
And
36:10
I
36:10
just
36:10
started
36:11
feeling
36:12
all
36:12
the
36:13
stuff
36:13
that
36:13
had
36:13
happened.
36:14
Berlin.
36:14
You
36:14
know,
36:15
you
36:15
just
36:15
go
36:15
back
36:15
through
36:16
the
36:16
whole
36:16
history,
36:17
and
36:17
they.
36:18
They
36:18
just.
36:18
I
36:19
was
36:19
just
36:19
trembling,
36:20
you
36:20
know,
36:20
and
36:20
I
36:21
came
36:21
through
36:21
that,
36:21
and
36:21
it
36:21
was
36:22
a
36:22
very
36:22
powerful
36:23
release.
36:23
But
36:24
I
36:25
got
36:25
more
36:25
than
36:25
my
36:26
own
36:26
stuff.
36:26
I
36:26
got,
36:27
you
36:27
know,
36:27
the.
36:28
The
36:29
trauma
36:29
of
36:29
a.
36:30
The
36:30
suffering
36:30
of
36:30
a
36:31
whole
36:31
city
36:32
in
36:32
a
36:32
whole
36:32
history
36:32
there.
36:33
And
36:33
I,
36:34
you
36:34
know,
36:34
I
36:34
tossed
36:35
into
36:35
that
36:35
in
36:36
some
36:36
way.
36:38
Yeah.
36:38
A
36:39
lot
36:39
of
36:39
indigenous
36:40
people
36:40
and
36:41
healers
36:41
say,
36:42
as
36:42
we
36:42
heal,
36:43
we
36:43
heal
36:43
backwards
36:44
and
36:44
we
36:45
heal
36:45
forward.
36:46
We
36:47
could
36:47
heal
36:47
things
36:48
our
36:48
ancestor
36:49
couldn't
36:49
heal
36:50
because
36:50
of
36:50
where
36:51
they
36:51
are,
36:51
because
36:52
of
36:52
their
36:52
circumstances.
36:53
They
36:53
were
36:54
more
36:54
in
36:54
a
36:54
survival
36:56
state.
36:56
And
36:56
as
36:57
we
36:57
heal,
36:57
we
36:58
release
36:58
that
36:59
burden
36:59
from
37:00
continuing
37:01
to
37:01
the
37:01
next
37:01
generations.
37:02
And
37:03
more
37:03
to
37:03
it.
37:03
That
37:03
in
37:04
healing
37:04
is
37:05
not
37:05
individual
37:06
like
37:06
spirituality
37:07
is
37:07
not
37:08
individual.
37:08
Nothing
37:09
is
37:09
individual
37:10
if
37:10
you.
37:10
I
37:11
try
37:11
to
37:11
be
37:11
spiritual
37:12
until
37:12
it's
37:13
bogus
37:13
as
37:14
much
37:14
as
37:14
I
37:14
gonna
37:15
heal
37:15
until
37:16
it's
37:16
the
37:17
same
37:17
pro.
37:17
The
37:18
same
37:18
issue.
37:18
We
37:18
are
37:19
interconnected
37:20
in
37:20
the
37:20
Dene
37:21
tradition,
37:21
in
37:21
the
37:22
Navajo
37:22
tradition,
37:23
there
37:23
is
37:23
the
37:24
circle.
37:25
There
37:25
is
37:25
a
37:25
specific
37:26
name,
37:26
but
37:27
the
37:27
peacemaking
37:28
circle
37:29
basically
37:29
effect
37:30
child
37:31
in
37:31
school
37:31
as
37:32
an
37:32
issue.
37:33
You
37:33
don't
37:33
go
37:34
to
37:34
the
37:34
child.
37:34
The
37:34
principal
37:35
don't
37:35
go
37:35
to
37:35
the
37:35
child,
37:36
say.
37:37
No.
37:38
He
37:38
calls
37:39
all
37:39
the
37:40
family,
37:40
calls
37:40
all
37:41
the
37:41
community
37:41
in
37:41
a
37:42
circle.
37:42
And
37:43
everybody
37:43
take
37:44
responsibility
37:44
for
37:45
why
37:45
the
37:45
child
37:46
did
37:46
that
37:46
action.
37:47
So
37:47
grandma
37:48
will
37:48
say,
37:49
oh,
37:49
yeah,
37:49
I
37:49
should
37:50
have
37:50
given
37:50
more
37:50
attention.
37:51
I
37:51
was
37:52
not
37:52
present
37:52
two
37:53
years
37:53
ago.
37:53
Blah,
37:53
blah,
37:54
blah.
37:54
The
37:54
grandfather
37:55
said
37:55
I
37:55
wasn't.
37:57
Everybody
37:57
takes
37:57
responsibility.
37:58
Healing
37:59
is
37:59
collective.
38:00
I
38:00
mean,
38:00
now
38:01
if
38:01
you
38:01
have
38:01
a
38:01
mother
38:02
with
38:02
three
38:03
single
38:03
mother
38:04
with
38:04
three
38:04
children,
38:05
we
38:06
do
38:06
therapy
38:06
to
38:07
the
38:07
mother
38:07
and
38:07
ask
38:08
her,
38:08
what's
38:08
your
38:08
problem?
38:09
I
38:09
mean,
38:10
come
38:10
on.
38:11
It's.
38:11
It's.
38:13
It's.
38:13
It's
38:13
a
38:14
collective
38:14
issue.
38:15
It's
38:15
a
38:15
collective
38:16
issue.
38:16
We
38:16
need
38:16
community.
38:17
And
38:18
that's
38:18
the
38:18
modernity.
38:19
That's
38:19
capitalism
38:20
made
38:20
us
38:21
believe
38:21
we
38:21
individual,
38:22
we're
38:22
separate.
38:23
We
38:23
have
38:23
to
38:24
struggle
38:24
alone.
38:25
We
38:25
are
38:25
the
38:25
only
38:25
one
38:25
who
38:26
is
38:26
struggling.
38:28
Divide
38:28
and
38:28
conquer.
38:29
I
38:29
mean,
38:29
like
38:30
the
38:30
Roman
38:30
taught
38:31
it,
38:31
right?
38:32
The
38:33
individualism
38:34
is
38:34
perfect.
38:35
To
38:35
continue
38:35
divided.
38:36
He
38:36
divided
38:36
and
38:37
destroyed
38:37
indigenous
38:38
culture
38:38
worldwide.
38:39
And
38:39
he's
38:39
destroyed.
38:40
First
38:40
he
38:40
destroyed
38:41
all
38:41
of
38:41
us.
38:42
And
38:42
then
38:43
once
38:43
we
38:43
have
38:43
been
38:43
destroyed
38:44
enough
38:45
capitalism
38:46
expanded
38:47
enough
38:47
to
38:47
be
38:47
able
38:47
to
38:48
destroy
38:48
everywhere
38:48
in
38:49
the
38:49
world.
38:50
I
38:50
mean,
38:50
it's
38:50
just.
38:51
And
38:51
that's
38:52
what
38:52
we're
38:52
seeing
38:53
today
38:53
happening,
38:54
you
38:54
know,
38:55
on
38:55
a
38:55
big
38:56
scale.
38:56
The
38:56
fragment.
38:57
Yeah.
38:57
Very
38:58
dark
38:58
times.
38:59
Very
38:59
dark
38:59
times.
39:00
Yeah.
39:01
Yeah.
39:02
Francis
39:03
Weller
39:03
calls
39:03
it
39:04
the
39:04
long
39:04
dark.
39:05
We're
39:06
in
39:06
the
39:06
long
39:06
dark
39:07
at
39:07
the
39:07
moment.
39:08
It's
39:08
not
39:09
a
39:09
time
39:09
for,
39:10
you
39:10
know,
39:11
ascending
39:11
is
39:12
not
39:12
really
39:13
the
39:13
time
39:13
to
39:14
search
39:14
for
39:14
the
39:14
light,
39:15
but
39:15
really
39:16
be
39:16
where
39:16
we
39:17
are.
39:17
Because,
39:18
again,
39:18
part
39:18
of
39:19
the
39:19
spiritual
39:19
bypassing
39:20
is
39:20
like,
39:21
let
39:21
me
39:21
just
39:21
get
39:21
to
39:22
the
39:22
light.
39:22
Let
39:22
me
39:23
just
39:23
awaken
39:23
and
39:24
then
39:24
feel
39:24
good.
39:25
And,
39:25
you
39:25
know,
39:26
don't
39:26
deal
39:26
with
39:26
the
39:26
messy
39:27
world.
39:28
Don't
39:29
reincarnate.
39:29
Just
39:30
get
39:30
off
39:30
the
39:30
wheel
39:31
and
39:31
be
39:31
liberated.
39:33
Yeah,
39:34
that's
39:34
very
39:34
attractive.
39:35
Yeah.
39:36
But
39:36
it's
39:36
not
39:36
the
39:37
real
39:37
story.
39:37
It's
39:37
not
39:37
real.
39:38
And
39:39
there's
39:39
a
39:39
beautiful
39:40
metaphor
39:40
in
39:41
the.
39:41
Historically.
39:42
The
39:42
great
39:43
historian
39:43
Arnold
39:44
Toynbee,
39:44
who
39:44
looked
39:45
across
39:45
cultures
39:46
and
39:47
centuries
39:47
and
39:48
civilizations,
39:49
said
39:49
the
39:50
characteristic
39:51
that.
39:53
The
39:53
characteristic
39:54
that
39:54
was
39:54
common
39:56
to
39:56
the
39:56
people
39:56
who
39:56
had
39:57
most
39:57
impact
39:58
on
39:58
history,
39:58
and
39:59
he
39:59
felt
39:59
those
39:59
people
40:00
were
40:01
the
40:01
prophets,
40:01
the
40:02
saints,
40:02
the
40:02
sages
40:02
of
40:03
history,
40:04
was
40:04
that
40:04
they
40:04
went
40:04
through
40:04
what
40:05
he
40:05
called
40:05
the
40:05
cycle,
40:06
withdrawal
40:06
and
40:06
return,
40:07
that
40:07
they
40:08
dove
40:08
deeply
40:09
into
40:10
a
40:10
query,
40:11
question,
40:12
search
40:14
into
40:14
the
40:14
great
40:14
questions
40:15
of
40:15
life,
40:16
really
40:16
wrestled
40:17
with
40:17
that,
40:18
came
40:18
to
40:18
some
40:18
sort
40:19
of
40:19
illumination,
40:20
understanding,
40:21
and
40:21
then
40:21
returned
40:22
to
40:22
offer
40:22
what
40:23
they'd
40:23
brought.
40:23
So
40:24
it
40:24
speaks
40:25
very
40:25
much
40:25
to
40:25
what
40:26
you're
40:26
saying
40:26
about.
40:27
About
40:28
the
40:28
need
40:29
for
40:29
contribution
40:30
in
40:30
this
40:30
dark
40:31
time.
40:32
But
40:33
maybe
40:33
I
40:34
would
40:34
say
40:34
there's.
40:35
There's
40:35
real
40:36
value
40:36
in
40:36
the
40:36
integration
40:37
of
40:37
both,
40:38
which
40:38
is
40:38
what
40:39
I
40:39
see
40:39
as
40:39
a
40:39
beautiful
40:40
characteristic
40:41
of
40:41
your
40:41
lives.
40:42
You
40:42
really
40:43
are
40:43
integrating
40:44
both
40:44
the
40:45
spiritual,
40:45
you
40:46
know,
40:46
your
40:46
karma,
40:46
yogis,
40:47
you're
40:47
doing
40:48
your
40:48
work
40:49
is
40:49
your
40:50
spiritual
40:50
practice
40:52
in
40:52
a
40:53
very
40:53
beautiful
40:53
way.
40:53
And
40:54
there's
40:54
no.
40:54
As
40:55
you
40:55
said
40:55
earlier,
40:55
there's
40:56
no
40:56
separation
40:57
between
40:57
your
40:57
work
40:58
and
40:58
your
40:58
life
40:58
and
40:58
your
40:58
spirituality.
41:00
It's
41:00
beautiful.
41:01
It's
41:01
service.
41:02
Service
41:02
done
41:04
from
41:04
a
41:04
beautiful
41:05
place
41:05
of
41:05
wanting
41:05
to
41:05
relieve
41:06
suffering
41:07
and
41:08
service
41:09
as
41:09
part
41:09
of
41:09
your
41:09
own
41:10
practice.
41:11
I
41:11
really
41:11
respect
41:12
that.
41:12
There's
41:12
no
41:13
other
41:13
way.
41:17
I
41:17
kind
41:17
of
41:17
think
41:17
this.
41:18
I
41:18
don't
41:18
know,
41:19
maybe
41:19
I'm
41:19
jumping.
41:19
But
41:20
we
41:20
are
41:21
all
41:21
here
41:21
for
41:21
a
41:21
purpose
41:22
somehow.
41:23
We
41:23
are
41:23
all
41:23
here
41:23
on
41:24
this
41:24
planet
41:24
for
41:24
a
41:25
purpose,
41:25
in
41:25
this
41:26
incarnation,
41:26
in
41:26
this
41:26
time,
41:27
for
41:27
a
41:27
purpose.
41:28
If
41:28
you
41:29
find
41:29
this
41:30
purple,
41:30
it's
41:31
not
41:31
a
41:31
big
41:31
purpose.
41:32
No.
41:32
But
41:32
if
41:32
you.
41:32
If
41:33
you
41:33
are
41:33
capable
41:34
to
41:34
listen
41:34
and
41:34
do
41:35
the
41:35
step,
41:35
one
41:35
step
41:36
at
41:36
a
41:36
time,
41:36
that
41:36
brings
41:37
you
41:37
in
41:37
the
41:37
direction
41:38
of
41:38
your
41:38
purpose.
41:39
If
41:39
you're
41:39
listening.
41:39
If
41:40
you
41:40
are
41:40
at
41:40
service
41:41
of
41:41
whatever
41:42
is
41:42
that,
41:42
you
41:42
have
41:43
to
41:43
be
41:43
at
41:43
service,
41:44
which
41:44
is
41:44
all
41:44
different
41:45
from
41:45
each
41:45
and
41:45
every
41:46
one
41:46
towards
41:47
your
41:47
goal.
41:48
That's
41:48
all
41:48
you
41:49
can
41:49
do.
41:49
It's
41:50
one
41:50
step
41:50
at
41:50
a
41:50
time.
41:51
It's
41:51
one
41:51
step
41:51
at
41:51
a
41:52
time,
41:52
and
41:52
you'll
41:52
be
41:53
amazed
41:54
of
41:54
the
41:54
return
41:54
of
41:55
investment.
41:55
If
41:56
you
41:56
want
41:56
to
41:56
talk
41:56
in
41:57
capitalistic
41:57
terms,
41:59
it's
41:59
amazing
42:00
what
42:01
life
42:01
gives
42:02
you
42:02
back.
42:02
You
42:02
basically,
42:03
if
42:03
you
42:03
do
42:04
the
42:04
right
42:04
action,
42:05
following
42:05
the
42:06
path
42:06
that
42:06
is
42:06
required
42:07
to
42:07
you
42:07
by
42:08
your
42:08
ancestors,
42:09
what
42:09
you
42:10
get
42:10
back,
42:11
it's
42:12
unbelievable.
42:13
And
42:13
if
42:13
you
42:14
don't
42:14
find
42:14
that
42:15
it
42:15
causes
42:15
great
42:16
suffering.
42:16
Great
42:17
suffering,
42:17
then
42:18
you
42:18
go
42:18
into
42:19
what
42:19
you
42:19
were
42:19
saying,
42:20
the
42:20
addiction
42:21
and
42:21
all
42:21
the
42:21
stuff,
42:21
because
42:22
you
42:22
cannot
42:23
fight,
42:23
you
42:23
know,
42:24
hopelessness.
42:24
Yeah,
42:25
yeah.
42:25
Depression,
42:26
despair,
42:27
acting
42:28
out
42:28
your
42:28
shadow.
42:29
I
42:29
mean,
42:29
it's
42:29
despair.
42:30
Yes,
42:30
exactly.
42:31
And
42:31
I
42:31
also
42:32
love
42:32
the.
42:33
Yesterday
42:33
we
42:33
had
42:34
this
42:34
conversation.
42:35
We
42:35
use
42:36
the
42:36
word
42:36
finding,
42:37
and
42:38
indigenous
42:38
people
42:39
say
42:39
listening.
42:41
So
42:41
that's
42:41
something
42:42
like
42:42
in
42:42
the
42:43
west,
42:43
we
42:43
have
42:44
forgotten
42:44
how
42:44
to
42:45
listen.
42:45
You
42:45
know,
42:46
we
42:46
embed
42:46
it
42:46
in
42:47
this
42:47
web
42:48
of
42:48
life
42:48
that
42:49
is
42:49
alive
42:49
and
42:49
is
42:50
constantly
42:50
communicating
42:51
with
42:51
us.
42:52
And
42:54
the
42:54
first
42:54
skill
42:55
that
42:55
actually
42:56
we
42:56
learn
42:57
by
42:57
sitting
42:57
with
42:58
indigenous
42:58
elders,
42:59
Just
42:59
listen.
43:00
Just
43:00
listen.
43:01
Slow
43:01
down
43:01
and
43:01
listen
43:02
to
43:02
the
43:02
elder.
43:03
But
43:03
also
43:03
listen
43:04
to
43:04
everything
43:04
that
43:05
is
43:05
around.
43:05
The
43:06
wind
43:06
is
43:06
communicating.
43:07
The
43:08
water
43:08
is,
43:09
you
43:09
know,
43:09
the
43:10
birds.
43:10
We.
43:11
We
43:11
are
43:11
constantly
43:12
being
43:13
guided.
43:14
If
43:14
we
43:14
could
43:15
just
43:15
listen.
43:16
And
43:17
again,
43:17
that's.
43:17
We're
43:18
young
43:18
in
43:18
that.
43:19
Because
43:19
of
43:20
the
43:20
Western
43:21
mindset
43:22
that
43:22
has
43:22
disconnected
43:23
us
43:23
from.
43:24
Yeah,
43:24
yeah.
43:24
And
43:25
we
43:25
think
43:25
listening
43:26
is
43:26
happening
43:26
here.
43:27
Yeah.
43:28
So
43:28
it's.
43:28
And
43:28
we
43:29
have
43:29
been
43:29
more
43:29
and
43:29
more
43:29
isolated,
43:30
more
43:30
and
43:30
more
43:31
individual.
43:31
So
43:32
we
43:32
don't
43:32
even
43:32
listen
43:33
to
43:33
each
43:33
other.
43:33
I
43:34
mean,
43:34
because
43:34
I'm
43:34
on
43:34
the
43:34
phone,
43:35
although,
43:35
you
43:35
know,
43:36
I'm
43:36
not
43:36
listening.
43:37
Can
43:37
you
43:37
imagine?
43:38
Listen
43:38
to
43:38
a
43:38
bird,
43:39
to
43:40
a
43:40
tree
43:40
now
43:41
the
43:41
fog
43:41
coming.
43:42
Listen.
43:42
What
43:43
do
43:43
you
43:43
mean?
43:44
So
43:44
it's
43:44
like
43:45
finding
43:45
the
43:45
path,
43:46
but
43:46
it's
43:46
more
43:46
listening.
43:47
The
43:47
path
43:48
is
43:48
there.
43:48
It's
43:48
like,
43:49
how
43:49
do
43:49
I
43:49
listen?
43:51
So
43:51
I
43:51
stop
43:51
searching
43:52
for
43:52
the
43:52
path
43:53
and
43:53
do
43:53
the
43:53
next
43:53
step,
43:54
basically,
43:55
you
43:55
know,
43:55
listen
43:56
and
43:56
do
43:56
the
43:56
next
43:57
step.
43:58
And
43:58
if
43:59
you
43:59
need
43:59
to
43:59
stop
43:59
for
43:59
a
44:00
while
44:00
before
44:00
you
44:00
do
44:00
the
44:00
next
44:01
step,
44:01
stop
44:01
for
44:01
a
44:01
while
44:01
and
44:02
do
44:02
the
44:02
next
44:02
step.
44:03
It's
44:04
just.
44:04
And
44:04
then
44:04
it
44:05
also
44:05
is.
44:05
Yeah.
44:06
It's
44:06
a
44:06
privilege,
44:07
I
44:07
must
44:07
say.
44:08
Yeah.
44:08
In
44:08
this
44:08
culture,
44:09
in
44:09
this
44:09
day,
44:11
it's.
44:11
It's.
44:11
It
44:12
can
44:12
be
44:12
hard.
44:13
It
44:13
can
44:13
be
44:13
hard.
44:13
Yeah.
44:14
And
44:14
just
44:15
to
44:15
acknowledge
44:15
with
44:16
the
44:16
importance
44:17
of
44:17
what
44:17
you're
44:17
saying,
44:17
that
44:18
taking
44:19
the
44:19
time,
44:20
which,
44:20
as
44:21
you
44:21
say,
44:22
retail
44:23
is
44:23
such
44:23
a.
44:24
I
44:24
mean,
44:24
it
44:25
has
44:25
to
44:25
be
44:25
intentional
44:26
in
44:26
this
44:27
Culture,
44:27
we
44:28
are
44:28
living
44:28
in
44:28
this
44:28
attention
44:29
economy
44:30
with
44:30
so
44:30
many
44:31
intentional
44:32
distractions
44:33
trying
44:33
to
44:33
grab
44:34
our
44:34
attention
44:34
and
44:35
hijack
44:35
it.
44:36
And
44:36
it
44:36
really
44:37
takes
44:37
an
44:38
intentional
44:38
effort
44:39
to
44:40
set
44:40
aside
44:41
time,
44:41
to
44:42
settle
44:42
in,
44:42
to
44:43
feel
44:43
in
44:43
and
44:43
to
44:44
feel
44:44
out
44:45
into
44:45
the
44:45
world
44:46
and
44:46
to.
44:47
To
44:47
listen
44:47
for
44:48
that
44:48
call
44:48
that
44:48
you're
44:49
describing,
44:50
whether
44:50
it's
44:50
a
44:50
still
44:50
small
44:51
voice
44:51
within
44:52
or
44:52
however
44:53
we
44:54
want,
44:54
whatever
44:55
words
44:55
we
44:55
want
44:55
to
44:56
give.
44:56
But
44:56
yeah,
44:57
just
44:57
to
44:57
acknowledge
44:58
the
44:58
importance
44:58
of
44:58
what
44:59
you're
44:59
saying.
45:00
Yeah.
45:00
I've
45:00
been
45:01
thinking
45:01
about
45:01
writing
45:02
a
45:02
book
45:02
on
45:03
how
45:03
not
45:03
to
45:03
lose
45:04
your
45:04
soul.
45:04
You
45:04
know,
45:05
because
45:05
there's
45:05
so
45:05
many
45:06
diversions,
45:07
there's
45:07
so
45:07
much.
45:08
I
45:08
read
45:08
a
45:08
study
45:08
where
45:09
poor
45:09
black
45:10
kids
45:10
in
45:10
America
45:11
do
45:11
this
45:11
for
45:11
11
45:12
hours
45:12
a
45:12
day
45:13
on
45:13
it,
45:13
you
45:14
know,
45:14
and
45:14
it's.
45:14
It's
45:15
so
45:15
addicted.
45:15
And
45:15
you.
45:16
They
45:16
call
45:16
it
45:16
AI
45:17
slob.
45:17
YouTube
45:18
has
45:18
become
45:18
majority
45:19
of
45:19
stuff
45:19
produced
45:20
in
45:20
YouTube.
45:20
It's
45:20
not
45:20
even
45:20
produced
45:21
by
45:21
human
45:21
beings
45:21
anymore,
45:22
produced
45:22
by
45:22
AI.
45:23
And
45:23
you
45:23
watch
45:24
this
45:24
stuff
45:24
and
45:25
I
45:25
mean,
45:25
it's,
45:26
you
45:26
know,
45:26
it's
45:27
captivating
45:27
this,
45:27
that
45:28
and
45:28
the
45:28
other.
45:28
But
45:29
you
45:29
find
45:29
yourself
45:29
totally
45:30
drained.
45:31
You're
45:31
done.
45:31
It's
45:32
like,
45:33
you
45:33
know,
45:33
what
45:33
happened?
45:34
My
45:34
soul
45:34
just
45:35
went.
45:36
So
45:36
you
45:36
really
45:36
have
45:37
to
45:37
make
45:37
a
45:37
conscious
45:38
effort
45:39
to
45:40
live
45:40
in
45:40
a
45:40
way
45:40
that's
45:41
more
45:41
soul
45:41
centric,
45:42
that
45:42
acknowledges
45:43
our
45:43
deepest
45:44
parts.
45:44
And
45:45
we
45:45
will
45:45
be.
45:45
Will
45:46
get
45:46
completely
45:46
lost
45:47
in
45:47
this
45:47
age.
45:47
And
45:48
that's
45:49
a
45:49
very
45:49
scary
45:49
thing.
45:50
So
45:50
many
45:50
of
45:50
our
45:50
young
45:51
people,
45:51
heck,
45:52
older
45:52
people,
45:52
are
45:52
getting
45:53
drowned
45:53
in
45:54
this
45:54
trap.
45:54
And
45:55
the
45:55
technology
45:55
keeps
45:56
getting
45:56
more
45:56
powerful
45:57
and
45:57
more
45:57
powerful
45:57
and
45:58
more
45:58
addictive.
45:58
And
46:00
how
46:00
do
46:01
we
46:01
keep
46:01
our
46:01
souls?
46:01
How
46:02
do
46:02
we
46:02
find
46:02
our
46:02
souls?
46:03
How
46:03
do
46:03
we
46:03
nourish
46:03
our
46:03
souls?
46:04
Well,
46:05
I'm
46:05
glad
46:06
you're
46:06
bringing
46:06
young
46:06
people
46:07
because,
46:07
yes,
46:08
they're
46:08
suffering
46:09
from
46:09
this
46:09
world
46:10
and
46:10
they're
46:10
at
46:10
the
46:10
mercy
46:11
of
46:12
these
46:12
funds
46:13
and
46:13
AI.
46:14
And
46:15
again,
46:15
indigenous
46:16
communities,
46:17
the
46:17
elders
46:18
are
46:18
present.
46:19
The
46:19
elders
46:20
walk
46:20
with
46:21
you.
46:21
There
46:21
is
46:22
initiations,
46:23
there
46:23
is
46:23
a
46:23
living
46:24
knowledge
46:24
that
46:25
is
46:25
passed
46:25
down
46:26
so
46:26
a
46:27
young
46:27
person
46:27
doesn't
46:28
feel
46:28
isolated.
46:29
They
46:29
feel
46:29
like
46:30
they
46:30
belong
46:30
to
46:31
a
46:31
community,
46:31
they
46:32
belong
46:32
to
46:32
a
46:32
culture.
46:33
I'm
46:33
not
46:33
saying
46:35
in
46:35
indigenous
46:36
community
46:36
addictions
46:37
doesn't
46:37
exist.
46:37
Of
46:38
course
46:38
it
46:38
does
46:38
because
46:39
of
46:39
trauma
46:39
and
46:40
colonialism
46:40
and
46:40
all
46:41
of
46:41
that.
46:42
But,
46:42
like,
46:43
how
46:43
do
46:44
we
46:45
support
46:45
our
46:46
youth
46:47
in
46:47
remembering
46:48
that
46:49
they
46:49
belong
46:50
to
46:51
a
46:51
larger
46:51
web
46:51
of
46:52
life,
46:52
that
46:52
this
46:53
is
46:53
not
46:53
because
46:54
for
46:54
them
46:54
right
46:55
now,
46:55
this
46:55
is
46:55
their
46:56
connection
46:57
to
46:57
life,
46:58
that.
46:58
That's
46:59
the
46:59
part
47:00
that
47:00
creates
47:01
all
47:01
the
47:01
suffering
47:02
that
47:02
has
47:03
replaced
47:03
real
47:03
communication,
47:04
real
47:05
wisdom,
47:06
real
47:07
experience.
47:08
So
47:09
I
47:09
think
47:09
for
47:10
those
47:10
of
47:10
us
47:10
who
47:11
have
47:11
been
47:11
on
47:11
spiritual
47:11
paths
47:12
and
47:12
we
47:12
want
47:12
to
47:12
be
47:13
of
47:13
service,
47:14
let's
47:14
turn
47:15
towards
47:15
our
47:17
youth
47:17
and
47:17
see
47:18
how
47:18
we
47:18
can
47:19
offer
47:20
to
47:20
them.
47:22
Yeah,
47:22
we
47:22
have
47:22
a
47:22
spiritual.
47:23
We
47:23
have
47:23
no
47:23
elders
47:24
anymore.
47:24
There
47:25
is
47:25
no
47:25
elders.
47:25
There
47:25
is
47:25
no
47:26
community.
47:27
I
47:27
mean,
47:27
they
47:27
did
47:27
a
47:27
study
47:28
a
47:28
few
47:28
years
47:28
ago,
47:28
I
47:29
read.
47:29
I
47:29
was
47:29
applying.
47:29
It
47:30
says
47:30
grandparents
47:31
are
47:31
good
47:31
for
47:31
children.
47:33
A
47:33
scientific
47:33
study.
47:35
Wow.
47:36
We
47:36
need
47:36
science
47:37
to
47:37
tell
47:37
us
47:37
that.
47:39
Who
47:39
would
47:39
have
47:39
thought,
47:39
right?
47:40
Who
47:40
would
47:40
have
47:41
thought.
47:41
Have
47:41
thought
47:42
that?
47:43
Really?
47:44
Oh,
47:44
yes.
47:45
Let's
47:46
see.
47:46
We
47:47
could
47:47
go
47:47
a
47:47
number
47:47
of
47:47
ways
47:48
here,
47:48
but
47:48
to
47:49
bring
47:49
some
47:49
threads
47:50
together
47:50
and
47:50
also
47:51
move
47:51
into
47:51
a
47:51
very
47:52
powerful
47:54
recent,
47:54
more
47:54
recent
47:55
part
47:55
of
47:55
your
47:55
work.
47:56
I've
47:57
watched
47:58
several
47:59
of
47:59
your
47:59
films,
47:59
starting
48:00
with
48:00
Nisa
48:00
Godada.
48:01
And
48:02
out
48:02
of
48:02
all
48:03
the
48:03
films
48:03
you
48:04
made,
48:04
the
48:04
one
48:04
that
48:05
really
48:06
impacted
48:07
me,
48:07
touched
48:08
me,
48:08
pained
48:09
me
48:09
so
48:10
deeply
48:11
was
48:11
Where
48:11
Olive
48:12
Trees
48:12
Weep,
48:13
your
48:13
film
48:13
about
48:13
the
48:15
tragic
48:16
mistreatment
48:17
of
48:17
some
48:17
of
48:17
the
48:18
Palestinians
48:18
in
48:18
the
48:19
west
48:19
bank
48:19
of
48:20
Israel
48:20
and
48:21
kind
48:21
of
48:21
apartheid
48:22
there.
48:24
What
48:24
brought
48:25
you
48:25
to
48:25
film
48:26
this?
48:26
How
48:26
did
48:27
this
48:27
start?
48:28
Stay
48:29
tuned
48:29
for
48:29
part
48:29
two
48:29
of
48:30
our
48:30
conversation
48:30
with
48:30
Zaya
48:31
and
48:31
Maurizio
48:32
where
48:32
we
48:32
talk
48:32
about
48:32
their
48:33
film
48:33
Where
48:33
Olive
48:34
Trees
48:34
Weep.
48:35
Thank
48:35
you
48:35
very
48:36
much
48:36
for
48:36
being
48:36
a
48:37
part
48:37
of
48:37
this
48:37
conversation.
48:38
We
48:38
hope
48:39
that
48:39
you
48:39
were
48:39
moved,
48:40
as
48:40
we
48:40
are
48:40
moved,
48:41
being
48:41
part
48:41
of
48:41
it
48:42
ourselves.
48:42
We'd
48:43
also
48:43
like
48:43
to
48:43
say
48:44
that
48:44
this
48:44
is
48:44
being
48:44
funded
48:44
by
48:44
Roger
48:44
and
48:44
myself.
48:44
It
48:44
comes
48:44
out
48:44
of
48:44
our
48:44
pockets.
48:45
So
48:45
if
48:45
you
48:45
would
48:45
like
48:45
to
48:45
help
48:45
us
48:46
to
48:46
mainly
48:46
to
48:46
get
48:46
this
48:46
podcast
48:46
out
48:46
to
48:47
more
48:47
people
48:47
because
48:47
the
48:47
youdo.fundedbyRogerandmyself,areandallyoudo.fundedby
48:48
the
48:48
more
48:48
people
48:49
we
48:49
can
48:49
reach
48:50
and
48:50
the
48:50
more
48:51
marketing
48:51
we
48:51
can
48:52
do,
48:52
the
48:52
more
48:53
positive
48:53
effect
48:53
we
48:54
can
48:54
have
48:54
on
48:55
the
48:55
world.
48:55
So
48:56
we've
48:56
done
48:56
a
48:57
couple
48:57
of
48:57
ways.
48:58
But
48:58
we'd
48:58
like
48:59
you
48:59
to
48:59
buy
49:00
us
49:00
a
49:00
cup
49:01
of
49:01
coffee.
48:28
Very
48:30
simple.
48:31
And
48:32
I
48:33
do
48:34
that
48:35
with
48:37
podcasts
48:38
that
48:39
I
48:40
support
48:41
and
48:42
I
48:44
find
48:45
it's
48:46
very
48:47
satisfying.
48:48
So
48:50
thank
48:51
you
48:52
for
48:53
your
48:54
help.
48:55
Thank
48:57
you
48:58
for
48:59
your
49:00
presence.
48:28
Presenceand
48:34
thanking
48:37
for
48:40
all
48:43
you
48:46
are
48:49
and
48:52
all
48:55
you
48:58
do.
48:59
We
49:00
love
49:01
you.