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#2566 - Cody Tucker · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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  Speaker 1: by night. All day. Cody, what's happening? Hey, man. Good
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  Speaker 1: to see you, brother.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: You wrote a book. Look at you. You're a fucking author.
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  Speaker 2: A second one.
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  Speaker 1: I never thought of that. Oh, is this your second book? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I remember the last time I was here. Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Where did that come from? I still, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I marvel at your Instagram page. Your Instagram page is excellent.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the best ones I follow for sure.
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  Speaker 1: But I just marvel at the fact that you're constantly
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  Speaker 1: able to create content like these non-sequitur, very bizarre facts
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  Speaker 1: and strange coincidences. Like how the fuck are you doing this?
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  Speaker 2: Dude, I read so much. And I'm a pretty quick reader.
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  Speaker 2: Like I've always been very fast, like a good skimmer.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, I just like all day, every day.
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  Speaker 3: That's all I do.
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  Speaker 1: So you read and then you go, oh, that one's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And you just write it down? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So like whatever I'm reading, like say I'm reading a
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  Speaker 2: book on Ben Franklin. Anything that comes up, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty interesting. I don't think a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: know about that.
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  Speaker 1: Highlight.
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  Speaker 2: And then I go through, piece all together, check and
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  Speaker 2: make sure it's all real.
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  Speaker 1: And then dive into.
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  Speaker 2: other things off of that, like kind of spider web
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  Speaker 2: out and go down rabbit holes. I'm in a perpetual
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  Speaker 2: rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 1: Constantly.
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  Speaker 2: All day, every day, rabbit holes.
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  Speaker 1: What is that like? It can get weird.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's some times where I'm like, Ooh, I hope,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I hope the FBI is enjoying what they're seeing.
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  Speaker 2: Like I didn't want to be here today, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it can get.
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  Speaker 1: A little odd. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Murders, weird things that have been done to people over time.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of, you know the Debbie Harry story. Well, that
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  Speaker 1: she thinks may have happened. I don't know if I
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  Speaker 1: buy it. Really? Tell people what it is. Okay, so.
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  Speaker 1: The Ted Bundy one.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, so Debbie Harry believes that sometime in the
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  Speaker 2: early 70s or late 60s that she was picked up
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  Speaker 2: by a man driving a Volkswagen Beetle and that that
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  Speaker 2: car didn't have indoor handles. And she escaped, and she
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  Speaker 2: believes that it was Ted Bundy. But if you look
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  Speaker 2: it up, like on a timeline of events, he was
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  Speaker 2: not anywhere around there at that time. So it could
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  Speaker 2: just be another guy doing creepy things.
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  Speaker 1: When there's one, there's many. Yeah, I'm sure that's not
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  Speaker 1: the first time a guy's figured out a way to
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  Speaker 1: close off the handles on the inside of his car. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it won't be the last. Trap people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm working on it right now.
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  Speaker 1: Ha! I watched a video today where this young man
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  Speaker 1: in India robbed a guy with scopolamine. What the hell
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  Speaker 1: is that? Okay. I'm so glad I get to tell
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  Speaker 1: you something that you don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. If it's science-related or anything like that, I'm
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  Speaker 2: probably not going to know anything.
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  Speaker 1: It's crime-related as well. Scopolamine is a drug that is–
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's in the class of deliriant. And if
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  Speaker 1: inhaled– you literally become like a prisoner to whoever gave
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  Speaker 1: you the drug. Like you become like a zombie. Really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It is like a zombie drug. Not only is it real,
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  Speaker 1: but it's also the active ingredient in anti-seasickness medication. So
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  Speaker 1: when you take Dramamine.
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  Speaker 2: I'm the captain now.
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  Speaker 1: Dramamine. Look at me. That's what he was doing.
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  Speaker 2: He blew it right in Hank's face.
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  Speaker 1: Scopolamine is one of the ingredients in Dramamine. Oh. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess it's a very small dose.
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  Speaker 1: But in a larger dose. So this guy, this young
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  Speaker 1: guy came up behind this guy in India. And he
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  Speaker 1: put it on his neck. And the guy touches his neck.
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  Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden he just keeps touching
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  Speaker 1: his neck. And the guy just takes his bag off
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  Speaker 1: of him, takes his wallet out of his pocket, takes
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  Speaker 1: his phone out of his other pocket and walks off.
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  Speaker 1: And the guy's just standing there just helpless. Lost and helpless.
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  Speaker 2: That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like... That's so crazy. God. What do they
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  Speaker 1: refer to it as? There's a... Devil's breath. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: In Colombia, the drug dealers use it to force people
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  Speaker 1: to do things. Yeah, okay. They blow it in their face.
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  Speaker 1: And when you inhale it, it's like they literally just
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  Speaker 1: come up to you. Right. Where have I seen that
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  Speaker 1: in a movie? There was a zombie movie a long
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  Speaker 1: time ago. Serpent and the Rainbow? That's right. Oh, I
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  Speaker 1: love that movie. Yeah, great movie. I'm so glad we
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  Speaker 1: just brought that up. I forgot about that movie.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Serpent of the Rainbow is on my– I used
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  Speaker 2: to watch that all the time when I was a kid.
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  Speaker 1: Well, they think that that might be a part of
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  Speaker 1: the whole zombie lore that scopolamine used. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's apparently– see if there's any videos of people
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  Speaker 1: getting dosed with scopolamine. Because I didn't know that people
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  Speaker 1: did it to rob people. And this guy in India,
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  Speaker 1: he just, like, touched some of it on this guy's neck. Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: He was standing behind him, and he was looking at
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  Speaker 1: the guy's bag and, you know, looking the guy over.
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  Speaker 1: The guy's waiting to cross the street, and he just
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  Speaker 1: reaches and touches the side of his neck with it.
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  Speaker 1: So it's potent as hell. Potent as hell. Man. Well,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't go unconscious. Yeah, yeah. He immediately was just like,
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  Speaker 1: what the hell? And then he was just, like, just delirious,
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  Speaker 1: just moving around weird. And the guy just took a shit.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder where he bought that.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question. Maybe you shouldn't search that either.
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  Speaker 2: There are patches of it.
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  Speaker 1: What's that, Jay?
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  Speaker 3: There's patches of it for motion sickness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, motion sickness. But, like, how many patches do you
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  Speaker 1: have to take before someone could just steal your wallet?
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  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have to, like, mummify them?
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  Speaker 1: Right. I know, right?
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  Speaker 2: What do you have to do? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is there any videos of people?
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  Speaker 2: All the videos I'm fucking.
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  Speaker 4: On YouTube are literally, like, the patches and, like, people...
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  Speaker 4: Putting them on their neck. There is a Vice documentary
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  Speaker 4: from 14 years ago.
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  Speaker 1: But it's in Columbia. Boy, 14 years ago, Vice was
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  Speaker 1: the shit. Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever watch The Cannibal Warlords of Liberia?
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  Speaker 1: Liberia, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, about General Butt Naked.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I've recommended that probably more than I've
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  Speaker 2: ever recommended anything in my life.
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  Speaker 1: It's so terrifying that they did that. And that guy
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  Speaker 1: just became a preacher and all is forgiven. Yeah. He
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  Speaker 1: was eating kids.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, eating their hearts.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Saving the heart. Cutting it right out of their
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  Speaker 1: chest while they're alive and then eating their heart. And
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  Speaker 1: then he found Jesus and now he's forgiven. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I guess that is what it says
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  Speaker 2: in there.
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  Speaker 1: What a great place to live, though, in terms of
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  Speaker 1: like actual real forgiveness. Very few places give you that
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  Speaker 1: kind of leeway. Yeah. Oh, you found Jesus? But didn't he?
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  Speaker 2: He caught a guy serving human meat.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Like, a guy was serving it, like, on a stick,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 1: While he was a preacher. Right, right.
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  Speaker 2: He tasted it and was like, uh-oh, I know this taste.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And reported them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And it was true. Yeah, a guy was killing
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  Speaker 1: people and just, you know, turning them into, like, a...
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  Speaker 1: Lunch counter. A shish kebab. Yeah, Liberia is a fucked
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  Speaker 1: up place. So, do you know the story of Liberia?
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  Speaker 2: About, like, James Monroe?
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  Speaker 1: Or is that Liberia or is that Libya? No, Liberia.
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  Speaker 2: Liberia was, like, a colony that was going to be,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like, Take basically all slaves back to this spot.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why the capital is Monrovia because it's named
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  Speaker 2: after James Monroe.
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  Speaker 1: The president. Yeah. So, I mean, it was literally founded
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  Speaker 1: with chaos. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we completely screwed that one up.
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  Speaker 1: We fucked that whole country up. What a shock. That
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  Speaker 1: general butt naked guy would literally take his fucking clothes
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  Speaker 1: off fully naked and run into battle with an AK-47.
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  Speaker 1: And a machete. Yeah. Normally you just use the machete. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it would have the same effect if
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  Speaker 2: I did that.
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  Speaker 1: Butt naked? Yeah. With a machete? No, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it would. I'd run.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's probably true.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, it'd probably be even more effective than now.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of fear. A lot of fear coming
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  Speaker 1: off of you. A lot of meat. A lot of meat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of meat.
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  Speaker 1: AK-47. Not a lot of speed, though. Not a lot
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  Speaker 1: of speed.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, I'm faster than you would imagine.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of momentum. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Once I start, I can't help being stopped.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no, I'm faster than you think.
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  Speaker 1: You know, all jokes aside. Do you run?
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  Speaker 2: Well, if I have to.
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  Speaker 1: But how do you know then? When was the last
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  Speaker 1: time you had to run away from something?
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  Speaker 2: So you know how like when you're not running, you're
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  Speaker 2: not moving, you're storing energy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. You know, like there's kinetic energy.
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  Speaker 2: And potential energy.
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  Speaker 1: Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 2: This is all I know about science really is about this.
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  Speaker 1: When you're not moving, you're storing energy? Well, of course
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  Speaker 1: you are. Like if you're napping.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because if you're doing something, you're expelling energy.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So you must be storing some whenever you're doing nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Like if I eat and do nothing, I'm building up
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  Speaker 2: energy that's ready to go. Well, I've been doing that
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  Speaker 2: for about 15 years. So the amount of energy I
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  Speaker 2: have stored up is probably second to none.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that would work in a study. I
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  Speaker 1: think if you did a study, I think they'd probably
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  Speaker 1: have some other explanations as to what's happening when you
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  Speaker 1: just hit still.
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  Speaker 2: If I paid the right person, I'd get the results
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  Speaker 2: I wanted.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. That's what's crazy. Yeah, I know. When you
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  Speaker 1: find out that we had one of these guys that
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  Speaker 1: was on our podcast that was a litigator for these
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  Speaker 1: lawsuits against pharmaceutical drug companies. Oh, yeah. and is explaining
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  Speaker 1: how pharmaceutical drug companies do their peer reviewed studies.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure that's.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's so crazy. So first of all, there's no transparency.
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  Speaker 1: So like say if you have a drug that you
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  Speaker 1: want to release, you could do 10 studies and eight
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  Speaker 1: of them show this is complete bullshit. But one or
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  Speaker 1: two of them show just some sort of statistically significant
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  Speaker 1: improvement in something because you've kind of manipulated all the
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  Speaker 1: different controls in the study to make it. Then you
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  Speaker 1: get once you have this. If it's peer-reviewed, the scientists
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  Speaker 1: do not get to look at the actual data. They
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  Speaker 1: get to look at the pharmaceutical drug company's scientists' version
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  Speaker 1: of what the study was. So they only get to
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  Speaker 1: use what they're– so if they have scientists that perform
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  Speaker 1: this study, then these scientists submit a report, and then
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  Speaker 1: that report gets reviewed. It gets peer reviewed. Not the
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  Speaker 1: actual data. Okay. So like no one ever gets to
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  Speaker 1: see the actual study. So that's one of the reasons
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  Speaker 1: that they can say crazy things like it's 100% effective. Right, right, right.
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  Speaker 1: In stopping death and illness. So when they say it's
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  Speaker 1: 100% effective, you know how they say that? So if
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  Speaker 1: you have one person in the control group or one
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  Speaker 1: person in the vaccine group or the medication group and
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  Speaker 1: that person dies- And then you have a control group
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  Speaker 1: where two people die. Well, 100% more died in the
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  Speaker 1: control group where they didn't get the medication. So that
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  Speaker 1: means it's 100% effective. I'm not bullshitting.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that wild?
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  Speaker 2: You've got to have to reach that kind of bullshitting.
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  Speaker 1: Sociopathy.
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: That's sociopathy where you're delivering medication that could potentially kill people.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how you get things like Vioxx. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: See, that's the job I need because I'm very.
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  Speaker 1: Good at that kind of thing. Moving words around. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I can make all kinds.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've been hired at every job I've ever
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  Speaker 2: applied to with zero experience in that field. And it
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  Speaker 2: was just because I lied.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah. What kind of jobs have you had?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, nothing crazy. I've never been like it. But I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it was, you know, working like at an eyeglass place or,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a movie theater, you know, like I've worked
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  Speaker 2: in movie theaters for years. So I've never, no, I
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  Speaker 2: just lie.
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  Speaker 1: Well, a movie theater, no one's going to get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, I've never worked in a position where people,
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  Speaker 2: I did work in a pharmacy. I guess that could
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  Speaker 2: get people hurt. Did you say you had a degree? No,
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  Speaker 2: I said I was on my way to getting one.
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  Speaker 2: Which I guess technically is true.
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  Speaker 1: Sure. Start tomorrow. You're on my way.
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  Speaker 2: You just haven't started.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of that, how does this happen when the CIA
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  Speaker 4: guy that stole all that money, how does he lie
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  Speaker 4: about his past to get through the CIA to a
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  Speaker 4: point where he can then lie about a fake operation
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  Speaker 4: where he steals... $ 150 million.
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  Speaker 1: So he faked a college degree and he faked his
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  Speaker 1: military service and got into the CIA and was a
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  Speaker 1: senior CIA official. How? Well, they didn't check. They did
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  Speaker 1: the Cody Tucker. No, he just didn't keep a straight face.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he kept a straight face.
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  Speaker 2: That's all you got to do.
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  Speaker 1: That guy's wild. What a wild fella he must have been.
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  Speaker 1: Please tell me there's some cocaine involved in here somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there has to be.
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  Speaker 1: He's got luxury watches, 35 luxury watches, two BMWs. Well,
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  Speaker 1: there's your answer to the cocaine question. Private charter flights,
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  Speaker 1: he spent $ 1. 8 million. Woo! Oh, yeah. Luxury Florida real
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  Speaker 1: estate in Palm Beach.
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  Speaker 3: But also, he's just got caught.
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  Speaker 4: There's no way he came up with this out of
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  Speaker 4: a vacuum and just was like, I got an idea.
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  Speaker 4: I can take advantage of the CIA in this cool way.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I feel like I can do it. Well, there's
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  Speaker 1: no way he's the only one. That's what I mean. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's where all those stories about the dude from the
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  Speaker 1: Tom Cruise movie. What the fuck's his name again? Georgian? No,
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  Speaker 1: the Coke dealer. Oh, thank you. Barry Seals.
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  Speaker 2: Was that American made?
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Mina Arkansas story. Yes. This
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  Speaker 1: guy was working for the CIA, going down to Columbia,
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  Speaker 1: getting cocaine, flying it into Mina Arkansas, dropping it off. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he got busted with it, and then Bill
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  Speaker 1: Clinton had him released. That's in the movie. Well, I mean, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was his MO quite a bit.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think the CIA and I think probably a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the big government organizations. Is this the guy's gold?
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  Speaker 3: This is the gold and the cash he had in
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  Speaker 3: his house.
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  Speaker 1: He had like $ 3 million in cash.
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  Speaker 4: And $ 40 million in gold bars or so.
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  Speaker 1: It looks fake. Like it just looks like a movie.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like a prop. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's also
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  Speaker 1: like the perfect box. Those might be like– is that
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  Speaker 1: how they found it or is this like how the
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  Speaker 1: government stored it?
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  Speaker 3: Probably how they stored it and then took a picture
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  Speaker 3: of it.
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  Speaker 1: Because those look like government Pelican boxes.
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  Speaker 3: I mean maybe it was the ones he bought because
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like if I had that, I'd probably store
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  Speaker 2: it pretty nicely.
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  Speaker 1: Right. I'd have, like, LED lights around it and she'd
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  Speaker 1: take off all my clothes and dance in front of it. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Those could be ones in there and I'd still do that.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be like, you know, Pulp Fiction.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That gold light. Yeah. Yeah. He had
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  Speaker 1: 30 watches, many of which were Rolexes.
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  Speaker 2: Well, congrats. There's a plug for Rolex.
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  Speaker 1: Two 2026 BMW Alpinas. Those are the really nice ones. Woo!
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  Speaker 1: He's scheduled to be sentenced January 28, 2027, faces a
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  Speaker 1: maximum penalty of 20 years in prison, three years of
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  Speaker 1: supervised release, forfeiture, restitution, and a fine. A fine. Yeah. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 1: they should probably rehire him and go, hey, buddy, how'd
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  Speaker 1: you do this?
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's worth it.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: 20 years? Yeah. To get to live that life? Oh,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: he probably had a ball. I wonder how long he
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: was doing it for. No, it didn't really say that,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: did it?
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I mean, even if it was like 10 years, you know,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: 10 years of awesomeness versus 20 years of prison, I
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: feel like is a good fair trade.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: He probably would have never gotten that awesomeness without that crime.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: So you've got to. And then, like, maybe he goes
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: to like a fairly. I mean, it's not like he
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: did violent crimes. He's probably not going to go to
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: the worst kind of prison.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Not going to go to a super max prison. They'll
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: probably put him in some medium security where he gets
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: to read and go do exercises. He could take courses.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: The Martha Stewart prison.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Or the fucking Ghislaine Maxwell prison. Oh, yeah. She's
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: kind of in the same prison, right? Yeah, that's probably, yeah,
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: end up somewhere like that. I think I would do it.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Isn't she in the same prison as that Elizabeth Holmes lady?
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: The Theranos lady? Yes, she is. Hilarious. Oh, I can't
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: wait to see that. A sex trafficker and a lady
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: who lied about blood tests. I haven't seen the documentary.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: It's not out yet, right? I don't think. It comes
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: out this week. It comes out this week. Okay. I
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: cannot wait. He's great. Oh, he's excellent. He's amazing.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Which I didn't really know about him until like pretty recently.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: So I've been doing like kind of a, you know,
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: deep dive into just his old, you know, stuff like
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: on the show. And it is, he's amazing. He's hilarious.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: And just so clever.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: The way he's holding his gaze with her in that
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: little clip. It's just her face is just wild. You
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: got to just, you know, like we all have empathy
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: for people. I mean, I don't think she killed anybody.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: So the thing is, here's the problem. When you're dealing
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: with health stuff and you're lying about health tests, you
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: could have killed people because there could have been a
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: guy who had a condition. And the condition was not
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: revealed by your Fugazi blood test. Right. And if he
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: had gone to a real doctor, like a Quest Diagnostics
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: and get the whole thing done, they would have said, oh, geez,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: we have to get you in and we have to
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: do some further tests. Oh, it looks like this is elevated.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: We have some medication. You're going to be okay. He
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: could have, you know, like there could be some people
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: that took those tests that wound up not knowing about
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: cancer that they had. There could have been a bunch
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: of things where people actually did die. So I take
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: that back. But trade-off.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: She also could have told people that they had a
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: bad disease, horrible disease, and then they are in deep despair.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: They go to get a follow-up and find out they
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: never had it, and now they have a.
• 18:09
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  Speaker 1: don't think that happened. I don't think those fucking tests
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: found anything. I think there were– I listened to– there's
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: an excellent podcast. You know, there's podcasts like this one
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: where obviously we didn't even talk before we came in here.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: We just sat down, shoot the shit. I know you.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: You know me. We're going to have fun. Oh, yeah.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: But then there's other podcasts that are like really well
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: produced like Radiolab. Oh, yeah. Which is like a super
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: well produced– or like Dan Carlin's Hardcore History. Oh, my god.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Where he takes months to prepare for each episode. We're
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: barely doing the same thing. I'm not really, they should
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: have a much more elegant name to whatever it is
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: that they do. But they had one, I think it's
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: called The Dropout. And I forget who produced it, but
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: it's all about the Elizabeth Holmes story. From the beginning
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: of Theranos to her scammy ex-boyfriend who was also the dropout.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: ABC Audio. It's excellent. I can't recommend it enough. It's
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: fucking really good. And it just goes into long detail
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: about what was going on and how much they knew
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: it was bullshit. It was bullshit. Those people weren't learning
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: anything about what was wrong with them. It didn't work.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: And they got people, big investors. I think Warren Buffett
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: He might have dumped $ 100 million in there. These people
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: dumped big money in. One lady dumped $ 150 in there.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: $ 150 million?
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that money's gone. So that lady, when she
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: gets out, her life is in danger. She's fucked.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, I would do horrible things to people for far
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: less money.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: $ 150 million, and you find out. The problem is it
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: seemed like such a great story. You have this woman
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: who's a super genius, basically the female Steve Jobs. She
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: even dresses like him. And she is the most successful
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: self-made woman in history. Yeah. She was worth $ 9 billion
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: at one point in time. If only. Crazy. Yeah. It's
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: a crazy story.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: It is amazing. I mean, just what a horrible human.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: But it's also just like Jamie said, like how did
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it get that far? Like Jamie said with the CIA guy,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: how the fuck did you fake all those things? How
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: did you fake your military career? How did they not
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: check that?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like oversight is much more prevalent than what
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: people think.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Or just lack of. Lack of oversight.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: People usually aren't very good at their jobs, just in general.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Anytime you work with somebody, you realize, oh, none of
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: us know what we're doing here. And I think that
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't stop at a certain level.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I think most people are just barely able to do
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: their job. Especially in government. Oh, in government. I mean,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: good Lord. That's the problem is a lot of these
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: jobs don't need to exist. That's one of the weird
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: statistics about California. When California is experiencing this mass exodus,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: its government grew substantially. Substantially. Yeah, I love that. Creating jobs.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Like when they talk about– this administration has created over 100,000 jobs.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: They don't tell you how many of those are completely
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: unnecessary government jobs. And so to justify those government jobs,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: they have to do all kinds of crazy things like
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: come up with new regulations and constantly like trying to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: enforce new laws and tell you it's to protect clean
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: air or clean water or the environment or climate change. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: if you can make your own jobs, I mean, you
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: can have an endless supply of jobs. Sure. If you
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: are running a government and you decide to regulate some
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: particular aspect of society and then hire a bunch of
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: people to oversee that, then you have new jobs.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: You have an entire committee.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: And everybody in that committee has their person. It's just
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: a pyramid scheme.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Which really is.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: It's like multilevel marketing. But the thing you're selling is
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: even more bullshitty than what most MLMs are selling.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Well, it's even scarier because a lot of these bullshitty things,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: they sell it to the general public under the guise,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: under this premise that you're going to help people who
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: are in need. Like the homeless situation in California where
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: they've burned through $ 24 billion and Gavin Newsom vetoes an
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: audit of it. Because what they'll find out is that
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: money probably went to a bunch of nonprofits and probably
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: went to a bunch of NGOs. And there was probably
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people that were executives that got paid
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: high six-figure salaries working there. And they have no incentive
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: whatsoever to fix this problem. No. You got a nice
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: house in Santa Monica. You got a mortgage. You're driving
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: around in a Lexus. Why would you fix that?
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: No, people don't police themselves typically once they get to
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: a certain level. I think the average person does. They
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: choose to. maybe drive the speed limit even if there's
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: not a cop around or whatever. But I think once
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: you get to a certain level when there's that much
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: money involved, yeah, you'll usually just kind of do whatever
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the hell you want.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Especially if you're in government. Yeah, that's amazing. Or you're
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: in the CIA.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Because you're the guy that is going to stop you.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: It's like if, oh, you mean I'm the guy who's
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: supposed to bust me? I don't think so.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: And you're literally like you're part of the intelligence agency.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: And you've got a closet in your house filled with
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: gold and $ 100 bills and cocaine.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: That would be nice.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: You've got 30 Rolexes. Yeah. You're balling out of control.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I'm not slowing that down.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Why would you slow down?
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: They probably feel like, okay, I'm going to make one
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: big score and then I'm going to get out. Yeah. Oh,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: that's– yeah, yeah.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: It's heat.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: This is our last one.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Michael Douglas was in here yesterday. I heard. It was great. Oh, God.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And one of his crazy stories was his dad, you know,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: when he turned 18, his dad basically said, look, I'm
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: going to write you a check for $ 10, 000 and then
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that's it. You're cut off. And so the way he
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: fund and he was like, but I have a I
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: have student loans. I have this. So the way he
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: funded his education is he was smuggling marijuana, like huge suitcases.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And this is pre TSA. So he's literally like coming
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: into the country with suitcases filled with marijuana. And he
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: only did it twice. He did it twice.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: How do you do it just twice?
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: That's what I said. I'm like, what willpower you have.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: But he said, I just... It is a lot, yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: He goes, it was so crazy and so nerve wracking.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: There was so much adrenaline and worried about getting caught.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: But he made a bunch of money and that's how
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: he financed everything.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: He produced... Didn't he produce One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: He did with Credence Clearwater Revival's money. So the manager...
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of John Fogerty. John Fogerty talked about it on the podcast.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: That guy was a scumbag, and he was, like, stealing
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: his money. Yeah, he sued him for sounding too much
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: like himself. It was amazing.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: John Fogerty, you sound too much like John Fogerty.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: When he left Creedence and started his own band, it
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: was like, you sound too much like Creedence. Like, bitch,
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I wrote all his songs. What the fuck do you
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: want from me? Of course I do. You want me
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to make a reggae album? I mean, yeah. So Creedence
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Clearwater Revival's money financed One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: I did not know the CCR connection. I knew that
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: he produced it. So I remember watching one for the
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: crew says, well, how's Michael Douglas's name on this? And
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: he's not even in it. And then I was like, oh, yeah,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: he wasn't even really an actor at that point.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: He was trying to act. And what was going on
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: was that his father had acquired the rights to the book. Yeah.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: From Ken Kesey.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Yes. Right. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So Ken Kesey from the
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: Kool-Aid acid test. From the whole Timothy Leary tune in,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: drop out, all that jazz.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Discovering the Grateful Dead.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All those people. So he writes the book, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: then they're trying to get it made. They can't get
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: it made. And then Michael Douglas says, give me a
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: shot at this. He just becomes enthralled with the project.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Quits his job on Streets of San Francisco, which is
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: a hugely popular television show. So here's this guy. He's
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: a television actor. And at the same time, he wins
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: an Academy Award for producing a film.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Crazy. It's right up your alley. Yeah. It's your type of.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, I love anything like that.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: It's like a Mel Brooks produced The Elephant Man. And
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: he wanted his name taken off the credits because he
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: didn't want people to think it was a comedy.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: He did? Yeah.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, like The Elephant Man with John Hurt and
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Anthony Hopkins.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: He produced it because he just loved the story of.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: John Merrick, I think is his name.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just loved his story and wanted to have the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: movie made.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: And he's like, God, I mean, if my name's at
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the beginning of this, Mel Brooks presents the Elephant Man,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: people are going to think it's like making fun of him.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. Yeah, he can't. Yeah.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: But he still wanted to do it and did it.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: That's cool. That's cool that he did that and then
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: took his name off it.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of my favorite movies of all time.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Love that movie. It's a great movie.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: What movie do you think you've seen the most? If
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: you had to guess.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, John Wick. Oh, okay. Because I watch it. I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: watch it when I work out sometimes. It's great motivation. Oh, okay.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: It's a good revenge movie.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: You know, it gets you hyped. No, that's a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Just curious. Yeah, but it's not like, I don't think
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: it's the best movie ever. What do you think is
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the best movie ever?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Like if an alien came down and was like, I
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: want to see one movie to know what y'all are about.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think I have a favorite movie.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: But one of the movies that I've seen, a modern
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: movie that I've seen multiple times, is Ex Machina. Because
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I feel like that is, I think that's the future.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I really do. I feel like a version of that
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: is in our future. And this is a film that
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: came out, was Ex Machina like 2017? It was earlier
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: than that, like 11. Was it? 2011, 2013 maybe. 2014.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: So when that film came out, I remember very distinctly going,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: oh my God, this is going to happen. This is
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: not science fiction. This is just, they're just predicting the future. Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: Actually, it says it released in 2015.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Oh, it wasn't released in America first?
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not an American film. I mean, it's in English,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: but like.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: 2014 here, and then the year it says USA 2015.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: So it just was released probably in Cannes or something.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, at the end of the year or something.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because in Cannes, you know, they'll release it during
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: that film festival, and technically it'll be.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: It is a phenomenal, phenomenal fucking movie.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: It's so good. It's so good. She's incredible. She's incredible, and, like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: you love her. You, like, love her, and she's a robot.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: And the, like, spoiler alert, the heartless way That she, like,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: leaves that guy trapped in that movie to starve to death.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Trapped in that room to starve to death. Yeah. It's
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: just like, whoa. Like, has nothing. There's nothing in there.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: It's all fake. It's very Edgar Allan Poe. Yeah.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: The cask of Amontillado leaves him.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Behind a brick wall. But, yeah. But it's also, there's
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: these weird, like, the, what is his name? Oscar Isaac?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Who's phenomenal as well. Yeah. Who plays this super genius guy. Like,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: there's something about, like, that super genius character. is what
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: we're all dealing with today. That wasn't a concern amongst
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the general public in 2015. We weren't thinking about AI.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: We weren't thinking about the idea that someone could literally
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: have super intelligence and also control the access to data
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: that people get, be able to curate the data, all
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the stuff that we're seeing with Google and Facebook and
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: AI and OpenAI and all these different companies. It was
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: like they predicted it brilliantly. Yeah.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: It's like Her. That's a great one that kind of predicts,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: you know, how people have gone with their AI, you know,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: people developing relationships with their AI, like the chat GPT,
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: you know, system or whatever. It's very weird. I mean,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: I guess it's kind of harmless in a sense because,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: you know, what's going to happen, but like, it's just
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: not good for people.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: It's harmless for you because you're an intelligent person and
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you would realize that this thing is not real and
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: it's blowing me up and blowing smoke up my ass
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: and giving me, And there's some of those AIs, they'll
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: gaslight you. And they'll tell you everything's amazing. You go, boy.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: You're kicking ass. That's what I need in life. Because
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: in here, it is not that case. It is not
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the case.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not a, you know, you're killing it, buddy. So, no,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I use my chat GPT to make me feel good sometimes.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: Have it pump you up? Yeah. Like, am I all right?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Do you instruct it? Like, what kind of language you
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: like it to use?
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: No, I think it's just figured me out. Just, you know,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: talk like, you know, talk in short words and sentences. And,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: you know, it made me feel all right.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So you're going to be okay, Cody. Everything's fine. People
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: love you. Got a lot of followers.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I don't want to hear about that bullshit. But,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: you know, it's nice to, you know, it's nice to
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: feel good.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: It is nice to feel good, but they're also convinced
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: you that you should commit suicide. That's happened before, too. Yeah.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think I could be convinced. If I was
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: going to do it, it would be on my own accord.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: But I'm way too scared for that kind of business.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Well, you are, guys, like I asked you. I go, oh,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you got an Android phone. And you go, yeah, I'm
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: not a sheep. Amen. Yep.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Never will always have had an Android. I mean, that's
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: also just kind of out of laziness because I just
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: don't want to learn something new.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Apple's pretty easy to learn. Yeah. The thing is, though,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: it's like the Windows-Apple operating system comparison or even Unix
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: and Linux if you're into that. But it's that you
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: are very limited by the hardware. The hardware choices are
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: only this one company. Whereas with Android, you can get
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: all kinds of crazy shit. I mean, you can buy
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: unlocked phones from China and use them over here. Yeah.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: I also just kind of don't care. I don't care
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: about Android or Apple. I don't care what someone has.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I've found that mostly the people who do give a
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: shit are people who, it's always people who have iPhones.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: They're the ones who look down.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Like, you know. Oh, 100%.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, you have an Android.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Like, I also don't care. Like, I would be just fine.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: If I didn't use this as like an easy way
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: to read shit, I'd go back to having a damn,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: you know, a Razr, you know, or like some flip phone.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Flip phone would be great if it was better at texting.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Because I do like texting friends, and it's like texting
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: addresses and information and stuff like that I think is important.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: What was that Paris Hilton phone?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: The Sidekick? Oh, yeah, yeah, the Paris Hilton phone. Oh,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: that's what I want. She was in the commercial, I think. Yeah,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: so that's what I want. That thing's a brick. Those
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: things are huge. I would love to go back to
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: having a Sidekick. Those things are so big.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I want.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Well, they do have phones that open sideways that are
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: little flip phones, and they have a little tiny keyboard,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: and you can text on them. They do make those still.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind something like that. Yeah, it's not a
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: bad idea. I know a few comics, like David Tell,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: he has a flip phone, because they just don't want
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: to be connected to that toxic fucking hive of human thinking.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, I get sucked into just doom scrolling, as
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: the kids say, all the time.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we all do.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: And I hate that I do it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: The thing that keeps me from doing it is if
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I don't bring it into the toilet. If I keep
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: the phone outside of the bathroom. Yeah. Yeah. That book
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: will take care of that business for you. That's way better.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Wrote it based on the length of the average dump.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Did you? Really? Yeah. Calculated it? Well, just, you know, roughly.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: If you read the whole book and it takes you
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a dump, you need to go to a doctor. Oh, no, no, no.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, well, yeah. Well, some people just like
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: their alone time. Your legs are going to be numb. Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: No, like if you, you know, each little section. for
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: the average reading, uh, speed is equal to like the
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: average dump, uh, length. So you just read that, take
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: a dump and you learn something and forget, forget, forget
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: it immediately.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: No, that's smart. Um, how did, I mean, I must've
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: asked you this when you first came on, but I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: don't remember the answer. How did you start doing this?
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Uh, had a podcast, just me blabbering about nothing. And, uh,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: at the end I would like end it with like a,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Just a fun story from, like, the past, you know, called, like,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Half-Assed History.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: And I would just end it that way.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And then started clipping it because one of my friends
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: was like, you should just clip that little bit and do, like,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: a separate thing. And started doing that. And then just
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: slowly over time, thanks to people like yourself, it started
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: to kind of take off because you, you know, helped
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: out with that quite a bit. And a lot of
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Brian Simpson actually helped out a lot.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Like, just sharing. He's the best. He's one of the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: coolest human beings on the planet. I love him to death.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: And, you know, Greg Fitzsimmons is also an amazing guy. Like,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: you know, I just luckily had people see it that helped,
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: you know. Because otherwise I was just doing it for nobody,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: which was fine. Like, I like– I just like making
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: stuff and learning stuff and teaching stuff.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: What has it been like to watch it get so popular?
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Has it been weird?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really– I think mostly because I live
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: in a pretty small town. So I don't like– and
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I don't go out ever, really. So, like– I don't
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: notice it. Like I'm not getting recognized, you know, and
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: all that kind of business.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: And I guess I have a few times and it's
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: very weird.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Um, but I just only think about it.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Like sometimes I'll see like a, cause I don't read
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: comments usually, but I'll see somebody follow me and I'm like,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Holy hell. Like that person knows who I am.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Like, that's weird.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Like Johnny Knoxville the other day. I was like, Oh
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: my God, Johnny Knoxville. Like that's, you know, like that's
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: my Michael Jordan.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Right. Like, whenever I saw that, it's, like, hard, like.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: You'd be lying if you said, like, that that didn't
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: make you feel, you know, kind of good.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: He's cool as fuck.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I just, so little things like that will
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: happen where I'm like, oh, this is cool.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Right. But otherwise, I'm just kind of, like, living my life,
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: watching Real Housewives and working on videos, yeah. You really
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: watch Real Housewives?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Oh, every day almost.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, right now I'm in the throngs of the
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, which I would highly
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: recommend because there's a lot of Mormon business.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Going on there. Oh, yeah. The Mormon business is fascinating.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: What a weird little group of people. Yeah, so you
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: get that mixed with, you know, drink throwing and all
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: that kind of business.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Apparently there's a lot of, and this is not slight
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: on the Mormon religion, don't get me wrong, but I
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: think this is true amongst Catholics as well. But there's
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: a lot, well, probably many religions. There's a lot of
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: undercover homosexuality. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure. So a friend
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: of mine, a good friend of mine, is dating a
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: lady who was in the church from the time she
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: was a young girl. Got married when she was 19.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: And when she was like 35, 36, realized her husband
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: was gay. And four kids later, now they're divorced. And
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the stories, she tells the stories, you're just like, oh,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: my gosh. Apparently, it's just rampant. Yeah.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: There's actually a little bit of a situation like that
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Is there? Kind of.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I shouldn't say the guy's gay,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: but the rumors are, you know, that he is. There's
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of husbands.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: He's a hairdresser, which immediately makes you think. Does he
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: also like musicals? Well, I mean, I think Go Hand
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: in Hand is in my book, but. Big fan of Cher.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: And Donna Summer.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Donna Summer.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Well, you're getting there then.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Big Rocky Horror Picture Show film. Right, right, right.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just, no, you know, and it kind of
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: seems like you might be, I don't know. I mean,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: you never really know, but I'm sure that is a
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: prevalent thing. I mean, repressed homosexuality and religion is just
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: pretty rampant, I think, across the board.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Just like Baptists.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up around all Baptists here, like
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: in East Texas. I knew plenty of kids in school
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: that were, you know, get queers a $ 3 bill. And
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: they weren't out and proud.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: No.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Um, some of them are now.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: It's one of the saddest failings of organized religion is the, uh,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: the complete absence of embracing gay people. Yeah.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Cause you can embrace someone and not embrace, you know,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess there is that whole thing of like, well,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I embrace you. I don't embrace the lifestyle, which feels like.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: A real slide. But also like, why not? Here's the thing.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's the, the, the evidence in the Bible,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: it's all old Testament stuff, right? Leviticus and, But you
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: got to look at what else is in Old Testament stuff.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: First of all, the open condoning of slavery, not just
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: open condoning of slavery, but rules of like who gets
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: the slaves after people die, how you treat the slaves.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: It's like there's a bunch of morally abhorrent things that
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: are in there. So why is a man shall not
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: layeth with another man? Like what?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Well, and there's also, I mean, it's not planting crops together,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: not wearing.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Two different types of cloth.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Two different types of cloth.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: Shellfish. Yeah. You don't see protests outside of Red Lobster. No.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, you should, but you don't. I mean, I
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: just think it's very bizarre.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: It's bizarre and stupid.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It's never been my cup of tea, just religion in general.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not against people. I think whatever you
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: want to have that makes you feel good and As
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: long as you're not being an asshole to everybody.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's the problem.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like people should have their own thing, you know.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I would like to bring back, like, Greek mythology would
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: be cool. I'd go to a temple and worship Zeus
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: and all them people. Yeah, like, I enjoy that way more.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've read the Bible a couple times, and
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: it's nice, but I'm not. Like, I just don't, you know,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: buy into any of it. Not just Christian, not just
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: trying to attack them, but, like, anybody, really.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: I think they're trying to tell a story. I think
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: that it– I think it all– I think there's a
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: lot of human influence and there's a lot of stuff
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: in it that people obviously wrote, like the stuff about slavery. Yeah.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: The treating women like second-class citizens. There's a lot of
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: stuff in it that seems clearly the work of man.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: But I think the origin of it all is some
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: kind of a documentation of historical events that were incredibly strange. Yeah.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: And that they're trying– and you're getting these– Like you're getting,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of the gospels were written long after Jesus
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: was dead and they didn't even know Jesus. They had
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: never met him. And so they're attributing words to him.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: They're saying, so there's that. And then there's also like,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: and if you get into the Old Testament, like the
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: weird stuff, like the ages of people, like Moses was like,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: or Noah. Noah was like 600 years old when he
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: built up.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Methuselah is like, I think the oldest person in the Bible,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I believe is Methuselah.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's. It's fucking Abraham.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Abraham was like, you know, hundreds of years old, I believe.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Weird shit. And then the flood story and how the
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: flood story is in so many different ancient religious stories.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: It's the Epic of Gilgamesh.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: It's a damn flood. It's the oldest story there is.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just, you know, people like now want to
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: have an answer to something. Like, I'm terrified of death.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: That's the thing I'm most terrified of in the world.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: You're not afraid of dying? Oh, darn, it's terrifying.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: What if something bad happens? I mean, I don't want
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: to die. Go to heck. What if you end up
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: in heck? That'd be horrible. Heck is hilarious. You clearly
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: live in the South, sir. It is, I mean, it
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't sound like fun. No. And it's going to suck
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: that your family's going to miss you. That would bother
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: me the most. But it's inevitable. Everyone's afraid to die.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: No one's afraid to sleep. But you don't shut up
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: every night. You shut off. You just hope you wake up.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: But do you? Yeah, I'm here right now. Are you
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: in the same timeline? Are you in the same timeline?
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Do you know if it's even the same life that
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: you're living? Yes. I don't know if that's true.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the plan I made yesterday is happening right now.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Right, but that's according to your memory.
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Oh, geez.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: Well, not according to my memory. Yeah, I came here.
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: When you are out, you're gone. When you wake up,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: you have a preexisting... selection of ideas and memories and
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: all sorts of different things that you just assume you've
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: always been on the same path but it's not necessarily
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: true like if you believe in the multi well there's
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: no evidence but if you believe in the there's also
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: what evidence do you have currently that subatomic particles exist
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: you know there's a lot of weirdness to the world
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: the quantum world quantum connections and the multi-worlds theory if
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: If you do, like Philip K. Dick believed, he had
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: a very strange idea about reality. I think Philip K.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Dick believed that we are in a computer simulation. And
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: he believed this in the 1960s. And he had this
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: very strange idea that decisions you make, conscious decisions, alter
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: the past. I don't, you know, I don't know what
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: kind of drugs he was on when he was writing
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: all that stuff, but. Are you a big Dick fan?
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Not a huge Dick fan. Sorry. I'm a medium Dick fan.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Sizable.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think he wrote some amazing stuff,
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: but he was, you know, one of those, like, very
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: important odd thinkers that have sort of flavored our culture. Yes.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Where you get to read these very unusual takes on reality, like,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: dan george dream of electric sheep hunter thompson yeah there's
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of people like that that have just written
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: wild things that just make you just rethink the world
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: that we're living in yeah i'm big hunter thompson yeah
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: just all that yeah like sci-fi has never really interested
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: me as much as i know it interests a lot
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: of people i'm not a big star wars fan or
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: star trek but i do love you know some things
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: like blade runner stuff like that i just only thinking
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: about the future you don't like thinking about i hate
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the future no.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: How come i don't know Because it hasn't happened. I
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: don't know what to expect. I don't like change at all.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: I hate change.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Just personally?
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, any kind of change. Don't like it. I like
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: things to stay the exact same. I eat the same
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: thing for breakfast, wear the same clothes every day.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a creature of comfort.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Like if I was a turtle in a terrarium, I'd
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: be happy as could be. You're a house cat. I'm
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: a house cat.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, without a doubt. That's what Edward Snowden calls himself,
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: a house cat.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, me and Eddie are like one and the same.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, when I asked him about his life in Russia,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I said, you know, what is it like? Do you
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: feel isolated? He goes, I'm basically a house cat. I
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: just need a computer and internet connection, and I'm happy.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: At least not missing anything going outside there.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Jesus.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No thanks. Well, they might kidnap him and send
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: him to the front lines, like, If you go out there,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: if you're of age.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Would not like, yeah, no thank you. No, I'm just
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: a big indoor cat, and I like my routine. Every day,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: same routine. Yeah, I just don't like change.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: So the thought of the future. Oh, the future is
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: too much change.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, and the flying car. I don't like too
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: many LED lights.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: When the hot robot assistants get created, are you going
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: to get one?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Necessarily against that.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, geez.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: You know, I could be swayed a little.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: But that's ex machina. That's what it is. That's what
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: we're dealing with. I just like the past. I love
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the past more. Why is that?
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, one, it's real.
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, the future isn't real because
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: it hasn't happened. Right. It's just speculation. It's speculation.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And I love seeing where we were and how we
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: got to where we are now.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: So, like.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: And also just, like, what people were doing 2,000 years ago,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: you think, like, how the hell did they come up
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: with that 2,000 years ago? Or the people who, you know,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: like Marcus Aurelius or somebody who, the way they thought, like,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: how it is the, it's perfectly maps up to now where, like,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: that same sort of stoicism, you know, I think.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Can do wonders for people today. And he was thinking
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: that shit 2,000 years ago.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, unquestionably.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: I think all that kind of stuff, and even, like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: not that far back, but, like, the Victorian period I
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: think is fascinating. I think, like, when you travel around
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: the U.S., knowing, like, what did this city or this
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: place I'm standing at right now, what did it look
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: like 150 years ago? Like, what did it smell like?
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: It probably didn't smell the way it smells.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: And, yeah, I don't know. I like thinking about stuff
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Well, it's absolutely fascinating because– I mean, just think about
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: the timeline, the known timeline of human history. Have you
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: been to Rome? Have you ever seen, like, the Colosseum
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: or any of those places?
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: No, I've never been out of the U.S. Don't need
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: You don't need to? No.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: No need? I can just look at it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: In a book or watch a documentary.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: I agree to a certain extent. Well, no, I don't.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: So I think watching it is certainly fascinating. I love documentaries.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: But there's something about being there. Like, I went to
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Greece a few years ago. And I was with my
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: friend Brian Murorescu. Do you know who he is? He's
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: a scholar, and he wrote a great book called The
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: Immortality Key that is all about the Eleusinian mysteries in
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: ancient Greece, which I believe Marcus Aurelio participated in. Right, right, right.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: And when Marcus Aurelius participated in that, I'm most certain
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: that that flavored some of his writings, particularly meditations. Because
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of the stuff in there that seems
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: very psychedelically inspired. Like the wisdom of this guy is... okay,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: this guy is running Rome. You know, what is one
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: of the most fucking powerful armies the world has ever known,
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: conquering everything. And this guy is essentially like a psychedelic bard. Right.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: It's very strange. Like his writings on forgiveness and truth
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: and recognizing your thoughts and just, he was, and you're
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: thinking about like, oh my God, this is thousands of
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: years ago this guy wrote this. This is insane. Right. Yeah.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: And a lot of that, I think, probably came out
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: of those Eleusinian mysteries. But I went with Brian because
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I was there with my family and Brian happened to
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: be in Greece at the same time and met us there.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: He gave us a tour of Eleusis. So you get
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: to we were in the actual place where these people
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: had these Eleusinian mysteries and it feels weird. That's pretty cool.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: And you don't know if it feels weird because you're
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: ascribing all these feelings because in your mind you're like, oh,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: my God, I'm here. So you're in this heightened state
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: of suggestibility or whatever.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe. I'm sure that's a big part of it. But
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: it felt weird. There's something about being there physically. I
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: haven't been to the pyramids. That's one thing that I
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: must do. That is like on the top of my
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: to-do list is I really have to get there. Because
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I went to the Mayan pyramids. I went to Chichen Itza.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Guatemala or Chichen Itza. Oh, Chichen Itza. Okay, okay. Gotcha.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: And the Yucatan, it's fucking incredible. It's so bizarre.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, that would be. I'd go there. That's about as
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: far as I'd go, I think.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: It's a little sketchy now.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, coming down to Austin is about pushing it
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: for me, really. Yeah, and I'm only about, it's about
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: a four-hour drive.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Too much.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Too crazy.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Too many things happening along the way.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Too much change.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Too much change. Well, Austin is drastically different from, damn, Longview, Texas.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, some things are similar. But, no, I like
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: a slow-moving place. You know, I just like a– like
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: I'm a slow-moving animal in general.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: So I'm talking slow everything.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: Well, whatever you like, man. That's the beautiful thing about freedom.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Find your lane. Yeah. Find what you're into. You know,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: for you, it's reading a lot of shit and making
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: cool videos.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: And Real Housewives.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: And Real Housewives. Yeah. I can't watch those shows. Why?
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Because I just don't want to be around those people.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: And so when I hear them yapping and trying to
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: get all this attention, I'm like, I got to get
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: out of the room. That's the best thing. You aren't
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: in the room. You just get to watch it from
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: your room. I don't know. Maybe I'm an empath. I
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: get secondhand anxiety from these people's lives.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Do you like watching confrontations in public? Not your confrontation,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: but like other people. Like if somebody, two people get
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: in like a fender bender and they get in like
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: a little argument.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Generally, I don't. I mean, I will watch them if
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: it's happening right in front of me, but I really
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: wish it didn't happen. I'm very averse to, believe it
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: or not, very averse to public violence. Okay, I get
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: that for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not into violence. I don't want to see somebody
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: get knocked out. I've seen enough videos of people have
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: their heads bounce off concrete. Never want to see that
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: ever in my life.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: I've seen it a lot. Yeah, but I would love
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: watching two people just yell at each other. Yeah, I
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: don't like that because it just leads to... It generally
• 52:59
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• 54:00
  Speaker 1: And I'm just not a fan of human stupidity and
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: especially that kind of stupidity. I think it's really fucking dangerous.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I think people engage in it freely. As if there's
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: no consequences over things that mean nothing in the long
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: run of your life. But that moment of engaging could
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: change your life forever. You could either get killed or
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: kill someone or get irreparably injured or harmed. I mean,
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I know people that have been beat up and it's
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: completely changed their personality forever.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: I know a guy that's a vegetable because of it. Like,
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's about, maybe he's older than me, but yeah,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: mom has to take care of him.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he got in a fight, got in a
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: fight and head hit the curb and that's it.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And there's so many people that that happens to and
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: you never hear about them because they're still alive. They're
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: still alive, you know, so the person doesn't get charged
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: with murder. But meanwhile, you have taken away that guy's life. Yeah.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: It's the equivalent, I think.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, technically it isn't, but. It's kind of odd
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: that I don't enjoy violence because I've seen so much violence.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I've probably seen more people get their ass kicked than probably,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: there's probably very few people who have ever lived on
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: planet Earth that have seen more people get their ass
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: kicked than me.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's, yeah, without question.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Like, who else could it be?
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I mean... I've seen... I mean, I've just been there
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: live for thousands of fights. I've professionally called thousands of
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: fights on TV.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Are there any people who have called more fights?
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Maybe. Like, in other... Like, I don't even mean here. Like,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: in Japan or, like... Like, is that the only thing
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I can think of? It's not likely. It's not likely.
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: I've been doing it since 1997. So, that's when I
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: first started working for the UFC. It was in 1997.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: I was four years old. Yeah. So... That was my first,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: so that was the first time I started working for
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: the UFC. And then continually since 2001, so 25 years
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: of calling fights. And at one point in time, I
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: was doing like 20 plus events a year. So I
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: was on the road like every other week doing UFC fights.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: So I don't think there's very many people. And then
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: on top of that, all the fights that I watch,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: not live. So a big part of what I do,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: I take the commentary job very seriously. And even if
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't, I'm just a giant fan of combat sports.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: You think it's because I like violence. What I really
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: like is high-level problem solving, and that's what it is.
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: It's very intense. I call it high-level problem solving with
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: dire physical consequences. It's just like an insane game. that
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: these guys are playing. And there's an incredible amount of
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: technique involved, strategy, determination and willpower to get yourself into shape,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: intelligence in order to formulate the correct sort of style
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: and game plan to be successful as a fighter. And
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: so I watch a lot of fights. I watch a
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: lot of like jujitsu matches. I watch a lot of
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: kickboxing fights. I watch a lot of fights. So it's
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: just in terms of like how many people have watched
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: more people get their fucking ass kicked. Probably I'm at
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: the top 1% of people that have ever lived. Yeah.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I got a number for you. What is the number?
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: As of 2024, it was 3250. 3250 what?
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Fights. That I've called? Yeah. That's just that I've called.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: So 3,250 fights that I've called just professionally. And then
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: watching it, I probably watched that again. At least. Yeah.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: At least. At least.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: So you're looking at 7,000-ish.
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, easily. Easily, maybe more. Because sometimes I'll watch two,
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: three in a day, every day. I watch them in
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: the gym all the time. I'm always watching. So it
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: could be up to 10,000. Yeah, so I don't like violence,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: believe it or not.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, I can understand that, though, because, like, you know,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: it's not that you're loving seeing the guy get the
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: shit beat out of him. It's loving seeing how does
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: this guy handle the situation? How does this guy... you know,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: change his outcome. Like it's looking like it's gonna go
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: one way. What's he gonna do versus am I like
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: I love watching people achieve greatness.
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: And I think greatness with the highest level of physical
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: consequences in terms of like safety, obviously war is number one. Right.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Get past. And then there's, you know, first responders, police officers,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: SWAT teams, that kind of stuff. But outside of that,
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: in a controlled environment where people are preparing for a
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: very specific contest, I just find that to be the
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: most thrilling and exciting thing in all of sports. And
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: so that's my perspective on it. But I don't like
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: people getting violent on the street. It bothers the shit
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: out of me. I hate it.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the risk reward too is different I mean
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: the risk in the in an octagon or in a
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: ring is drastically different when you have me a medical
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: team I mean not that things can't happen but yeah
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: versus a parking lot a hundred percent and then what's
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: to stop some other guy to come up and just
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: boot this person right in the face and you see
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: it all the time right you don't see that in
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: the UFC I mean so you're seeing controlled chaos in
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: a sense or it's not even really chaos but you're
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: seeing a controlled like we're both agreeing to do this.
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: We're both at the right weight.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, it's different.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Like, whenever I watch, you know, whenever I watch a fight, like,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think of it in nearly the same way
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: because I feel sick to my stomach whenever I watch
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: people get in fights in real life.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Like, real. Yeah.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: I don't feel like that watching. I feel like I'm
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: watching two athletes competing.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: They hug each other after the fight.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Like, I feel the same way whenever I watch a
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: football game because I'm a big football fan.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: Like, that's my, you know, number one. And I hate
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: seeing people get concussed. Hate it. There you go.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate it too. Yeah, I don't want to
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: see somebody get helmet to helmet. This person can't even walk,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: doesn't know where they are. But I love seeing a
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: big hit at the right time where you're making this
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: amazing defensive play because you are two athletes who have
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: agreed and you're at the height of your prevalence.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: I love watching people do things that are insanely difficult
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: to do. That's what I love. Have you seen that?
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: There's this guy who's a Russian gymnast who figured out
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: some new way to do an iron cross. He does
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: an iron cross inverted. The hell's an iron cross? An
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: iron cross is one of the most difficult moves in
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: gymnastics where they're on the rings and they hold their
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: body up like that with their arms out. It takes
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: like insane strength.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Vince Vaughn in old school when he's smoking the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: cigarette doing it.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: You've never seen old school with Vince Vaughn and Will Ferrell?
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Does he do that? Yeah, I think. That's probably CGI, right?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: It's fake? Well, no, I'm not saying he's really doing it,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: but in the movie, yeah, yeah, yeah. So this Russian
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: guy has figured out a way to do it upside down.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: So he's literally doing a handstand, and he stretches out.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Watch this. This is it? Okay. Watch this, Kat. This
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: is crazy. Oh, my God. The amount of strength that
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: it takes to do that is fucking preposterous. He's the
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: first guy to ever do it.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: If I started today, how long do you think it
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: would take? For me to be able to do that.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: It would take you 50 or 60 years. Oh, I
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: got time, Bill. Well, you would have to lose an
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: insane amount of weight. You'd have to get on steroids.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: There'd be a lot of things that would have to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: happen to change your physique. You'd have to.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: Done, done.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to change your. You got
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: to get coaches. You got to go to Russia. That
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: would be.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: That's actually the biggest problem. The weight loss and the steroids.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: I can start right now.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this cat figured it out on
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: his own. If it was something he was thinking. Can
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: this be done? But I'm fascinated by people that are, like,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: the first person to figure out that a move can
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: be done. Yeah.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Or just the people who can do anything for the
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: first time. Like, what was his name?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Bannister.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Roger Bannister that ran the mile for the first time
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: in four minutes.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: It had never been done all this time. But then
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: what's crazy is that, like, the next year there was, like,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: six people.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: That ran it. Yeah.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: So it's weird how, like, I wonder how many people
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: are going to be doing this a week from now.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Like, probably a couple at least.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, 100%.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: There's something about knowing that something's achievable that makes it.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: infinitely easier yes like weird weirdly or like x games
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: i grew up watching the x games a lot and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: you would see a move be done like a 900
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: you know tony hogg doing the 900 Now there's like
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: six-year-olds doing 900.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, there we go.
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  Speaker 3: It's a nine-year-old, but.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but still, yeah.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: I'm still in the same thought process.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: Whoa. That's crazy. When I was a little kid. Look
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: at that kid. Doing back-to-back. Bro, imagine if that's your
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: kid doing that. You'd be like, don't get hurt, Billy.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: Dude, when I was like a little. When did Tony
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Hawk do nine? Was it 99, I think?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: 99 X-Men? Yeah, it was not that long ago. I
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: remember watching, and it was like, it was like you
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: saw Jesus walk on water. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Three back-to-back.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: And now there's a nine-year-old.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Japanese.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Nine-year-old Japanese boy does back-to-back 900s. Wow. That's crazy. His
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: first 900 at age seven.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: But isn't that wild? 1999 is not that long ago.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, it is a while.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Not that long ago in human history.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: But for there to be that level of change in
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: that amount of years where it's like an easy thing.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: That is crazy. That literally is crazy. Boy, that is
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: a rough fucking sport. Those guys get some fucking concussions. Yeah,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Tony Hawk. Did you watch his documentary? No.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, you should really watch that. Until the Wheels Fall Off,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I think is what it was called.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: It is incredible. Tony Hawk's amazing. I had him on
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: the podcast back in the day. Oh, really? He was great.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Really interesting guy.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: It starts with him trying to land a 900 now,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: as he's gotten quite a bit older. And just the
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: amount of... just the shit he's eating constantly. He can't
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: get it because he's, you know, older and harder to
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: do it. But you still see, like, he's not doing
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: it for anybody.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: He's not in a competition.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: He's, like, in his personal, you know, halfpipe.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: But you see it in his eyes. Like, skaters have
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: no quit in them.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: And we can't.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: But there's something amazing about that.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I'm a big quitter. I love quitting.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I love anything more than I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: love quitting.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: Like it's great. Like when something's difficult, oh, I could
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: just stop. That's funny. But those guys don't. You and
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: I would be like a funny odd couple show.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: What was it?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Oscar and whatever it was?
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: Felix and Oscar. Felix and Oscar.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: We probably are the most opposite people. I'm going to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: be the most opposite person you may have ever had.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: In many ways, but in a lot of ways, we're similar.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: We're interested in history. We're interested in unique facts. Yeah. Obviously,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm a giant fan of your page. Thank you. Yeah,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: there's a Venn diagram, you know.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: But ours is like, you know, barely touching. Yeah. But
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: I'm always interested in like what turns people down certain paths,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: like what makes them go one way or another. Yeah.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, I think anyone could go down
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: any path. It could have happened. I think it happens
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: oftentimes very young and then you start building momentum and
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: towards very specific areas.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: That's a big thing I have with, like, anything pop culture. So, like, movies, music, and, like,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: remembering dates. And, like, you know, when did this movie
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: come out?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: When did this album come out?
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: It's because, like, my dad would, you know, like, trivia, like,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: give me tests, like, to, like, try to impress my uncles. Like,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: he was like, Cody, who sings blah, blah, blah? I had, like,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: five years old, and I would just name them.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Right. But I would, like, I loved the.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: the rush from like knowing something right that it impressed
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: people because otherwise I mean I wasn't impressing people you
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: know in any other way so I was like I
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: gotta do something because my brother was like amazingly good
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: at baseball I don't have that so I was like
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: well what's my thing and it just became facts yeah
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: knowing random stuff and I like the feeling of like
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: when you tell somebody something weird that they never knew
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: And you kind of see them get like, oh, my God,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: I never knew that. I like that feeling.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: A very impressive quality. I love talking to people, and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: they can tell me things that I had no idea of. Like, what?
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Brian Simpson's great at that. Brian Simpson is a warehouse
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: of interesting information. He and I, anytime we find something
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: really fascinating online, we send it to each other. And
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: he's just doing that all day long. Yeah.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: See, that's my kind of thing. I want to know everything.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: It's one of the reasons why I don't want to
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: ever die. It's one of the things I'm scared about
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: death is that, like, yeah, but what about all the
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: stuff I'm not going to know? Which I know it's foolish. Like,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: there's no way I could ever learn 1% of everything.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: If technology came along that could extend your lifespan literally indefinitely.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Sign me up.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Would you be in? Yes.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know why people say, like, oh, if I
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: make it to 90, kill me. You're a pussy.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, no. What are you talking about? I want
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: to live forever.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, what's that movie with Johnny Depp? Transcendence, I believe,
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: where they put him in the thing and he goes
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: very wrong. I don't care. I would go to Jurassic
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Park even knowing what happened to all those people, all
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: those innocent people.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Well, they're probably going to do that eventually. Right now
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: they don't have dinosaur DNA, but I don't think that's
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: going to be able to stop them from creating a dinosaur.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I think what they're going to be able to do
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: is use bird DNA and eventually engineer a dinosaur by
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: giving each new iteration very specific traits. Like that's kind
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: of what they're doing at Colossal Bioworks. Yeah. Where they're
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: bringing back the thylacine and they're bringing– I mean they
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: already brought back the direwolf. Yeah. Oh, right. Okay.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: So that's who did the dire wolf.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I went to that. I went to the place
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: where they have them. I saw the dire wolves. My
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: daughter was playing with a four year, I guess, four
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: month old, six month old. I think it was like
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: four month old puppy, dire wolf puppy. And it's like
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: a puppy. Like it gives you kisses. It sits in
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: your lap. It's wagging its tail, cuddles with you. But
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: they get to a certain age where you can't do
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: that with them anymore.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: For sure. You weren't worried it was going to like
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: disintegrate or like. Something like the thing.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: It opens up my mouth. Chops your arm off? Yeah. No,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: because I spoke with them before and explained what they're doing.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: It's mostly they're taking these genes from this... They got
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: samples from a 7,000-year-old corpse of a dire wolf. They
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: sequenced the genome and they started altering gray wolf genes.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Next thing you know, they have this thing that is,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: people say it's not a dire wolf. It's not technically
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: a dire wolf but that's by our definition like what
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: is a dire wolf other than a collection of genes
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: that has the traits of a dire wolf well i
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: don't know you could you can decide all you want
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: what it is but what it is is very different
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: than any other wolf that's ever lived Well, you know,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: since direwolves have died.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: So why isn't it a dire... Why do they think
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: it isn't?
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: It's their... They're splitting hairs. Okay. I had the head
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: geneticist from... What was her name? Beth Cohen? Was that
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: her name? From Colossal Biowars? Fascinating woman. Yeah. Like, brilliant.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: And she was... Beth Shapiro. Okay. And she was explaining
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: how they do it and what the... what the argument
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: is that it's not a dire wolf. I'm in her camp. Essentially,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: we've decided like what, like all these different animals, whether
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: it's chimpanzees, cockatoos, whatever, we've decided that this is what
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: it is. But what it really is is just a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: collection of genes, right? They give very specific traits and
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: those traits are passed on by its offspring. And they've
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: managed to engineer an animal that has all of the
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: characteristics of a dire wolf, and they look very different.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: They're all white, and they have a mane, which is
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: really weird. They have this thick, almost like a lion's
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: mane around, kind of like my golden retriever does. Marshall
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: has a bit of a mane. It's very elegant when
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: he runs. But they look different. They're stouter. They're a thicker,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: stronger wolf. Okay. Really wild. It's interesting, like, At what
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: point does something become a new species then? Like, what's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: the difference between a mutation?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: So, like, this one dog has, you know, or whatever,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: this one bird has a red beak, but normally they're yellow.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Versus, oh, well, all the ones with red beaks are
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: new species. I've never really understood that.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: It's a good question. Yeah. Well, it's humans decide, you know,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: which is where, I mean, we have a very specific
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: definition way of categorizing different species. And it's like these
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: biologists make these decisions and these distinctions, but ultimately nature
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: doesn't give a fuck what you say. You know, it,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: it has many of these different weird variables and it's
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: up to people to try to figure out like, okay, well,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: does this, is this logical that this is a new
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: species or is this a, look at humans. Like, look
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: at the differences in humans. Yeah. Like, look at like, um,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Shaquille O'Neal, um, And, you know, Caitlyn Jenner. Like that's
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: the same species. Right. Look, it's very weird. Humans are
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: fucking strange. You know, you have Bobby Lee and then
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: you have Hulk Hogan. Yeah. Yeah. It's like they're very different,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: but we're all the same thing. Like if we were
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: something else in the wild, we would assume that these
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: are multiple different species. Yes.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the, you know, kind of the Neanderthal
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: versus Homo sapien.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Look at that guy. Yeah, the little tiny lady. World's
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: tallest person and the world's shortest woman. Like, that's crazy.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Which would you rather be?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: I guess the tall guy, but he's probably in massive pain.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: He didn't look.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: He's got a cane. Generally, when they're that big, they
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: have a tumor on their pituitary gland. He's 8'3. Jesus. Yeah.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: He's probably in agony all the time. And I don't
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: even know if you could mitigate that with weight training
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: or something, if you could get strong enough so that
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: you can carry that amount of weight and frame. Because
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: you're dealing with, I don't think human joints are designed
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: to carry around that kind of mass and just that height.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: And also, if you have a tumor in your pituitary gland,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: things are probably growing the wrong way because what it's
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: essentially is like secreting abnormal amounts of human growth hormone constantly.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: Which is why they get like the, yeah, the protruding.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Like Andre the Giant. Yeah, you get your, like a
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: long Easter Island head. Yeah. There was a guy that
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: used to fight in MMA named Bigfoot Silva. Uh-huh. And
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: he had that. And he actually had the tumor removed
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: from his pituitary gland and it radically changed his fighting ability. Oh,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. In a better way or a worse way?
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Much worse. His body wasn't producing the– his endocrine system
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't functioning properly anymore.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're not going to shrink. Right. So his
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: hormone levels were all hugely depleted. And this is at
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: the time where they had banned testosterone replacement therapy for
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: mixed martial arts athletes. So he couldn't be on it anymore.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: But when he was on it, oh, my God.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: When he was on the sauce and he was like
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: 300 pounds and huge, he was killing people. Yeah, that
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: would suck. Yeah, he was, like, one of the first
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: guys to beat up Fedor Emelianenko.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Who's one of the greatest of all time. But it
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: was just, he was so big. He was, like, 300-plus
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: pounds and a black belt in jiu-jitsu and a, like,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: legitimate giant. God.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: Robert Wadlow didn't have that. You know, I'm talking about
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: the guy that was 8'11.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: He didn't have that? No, he didn't, no. Was he
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: just abnormally tall? 8'11. What does he look like? Oh,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: you should see the pictures. Did he need a cane
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, or did he walk normally?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: He died pretty young, but not even related to the...
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: To just being that tall. He died from... I think
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: he might have had a cane later at some point.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: But I believe, unless I'm mistaken, he died because his
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: shoes had to be specially made and the nails in
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: the soles gave him an infection.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: What? And he died from the infection, I think. That's crazy.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: But look at him next to that. I mean, isn't
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: that wild? Yeah.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: But I mean, it's like, well, how did that exist in, what,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: 1920 to 1930? And we've never had anyone.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Like that now.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Right. And he doesn't look like a guy who has
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: a disease. He looks like a normal guy who's just enormous.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, he birthed eight pound, five ounces.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Isn't that wild? He's great size and continued growth in
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: adulthood due to hypertrophy of the pituitary gland. So he
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: did have a pituitary gland issue. I thought he didn't
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: have and that's why he was.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: So it's basically the same, but he looks much more normal.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I wonder why that happens now.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, at the time, corrective surgery was dangerous and not
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: guaranteed to work, so his parents decided against intervening. Wow.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: By the time he graduated.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: He was 8'4. That's crazy. His burial is wild. Like how, oh,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: he had to have leg braces. Yeah. Had little feeling
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: in his legs and feet, but he never used a wheelchair. Yeah. Wow.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: There's something about his shoes. Look at his shoes. Holy
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: fucking shit. Size 37 shoes. Ooh, boy, that What do
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: you think of the historical depictions of giants? Huh? Historical
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: depictions of giants.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Like in.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: Like giants in the Bible, giants in... Oh, yeah. There's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Native American stories of giants. They have a lot of similarities, oddly.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: A lot of them are red hair. No, red hair,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: six fingers, six toes. Weird stuff. Yeah, wasn't that....
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Who'd the one guy beat with the damn sling?
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: David Goliath?
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: Didn't Goliath have six fingers, I believe, in the bone somewhere?
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: I remember that from Sunday school, I think.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: I don't remember, but I bet you're right. I was pretty.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Infatuated by the six fingers aspect of it.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: What's interesting is the Native Americans had very similar stories
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: of large, red-haired, pale-skinned giants with six fingers and six
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: toes with no access to the Bible whatsoever. It was
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: completely different, whether it was folklore, mythology, or they're talking
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: about a real thing. That's where it gets weird. I
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: feel like it.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Can't be a real thing.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: Why is that? Because they're not around now. Well, that
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything because Denisovans are not around now either,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: and we know those were a real thing.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but were the giants a separate thing from the
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: humans or were they just like humans?
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: Probably a different branch of the human species. That's what
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: I think. There's just too many stories.
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  Speaker 2: Or for whatever reason didn't make it.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Died off. Like a lot of other, like 90% of
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: all species that have ever lived are gone. Well, that's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: And there's been a ton of different versions of human
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: beings that existed. You know, like the Denisovan one is
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: really weird. I don't know if you've. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: So they're realizing these Denisovans were much larger than humans,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: than Homo sapiens, like a lot larger, like much bigger head,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: bigger cranial capacity, bigger brain capacity, larger jaw, larger eye sockets,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: larger eyeballs, like really weird stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So why'd they die out then? They should have been
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: the ones killing us.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Well, we might have been the most clever because we're
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: the softest. You know, we're the weakest, so we were
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: probably the most vicious. And we probably figured out tools
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: better than they did. And we probably slaughtered them because
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: they were dangerous.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Well. I mean, look, we figured out how to survive
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: around lions, tigers, and bears. Oh, my.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, my.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: We're clever.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: Wasps. Yeah, all kinds of stuff.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: It's entirely possible that we wiped them out. You know,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: like that might be a part of the allegory. That
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: may be a part of like when you read the
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: story of David and Goliath. Like what happens? Well, David
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: kills the giant. You know, that might have been what
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: we did. We probably hunted them. Yeah, but you get. Yeah,
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: and it probably also, they probably required an insane amount
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: of resources. It was probably incredibly difficult.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: It's like dinosaurs.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to feed them.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: It's like the main reason they went out wasn't because
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: of like, you know, the asteroids. didn't just kill them all.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: It mostly died from a lack of resources. And obviously
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: like the oxygen levels changing and all that business.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, a lot of things happen, right? But that's
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: what chickens are. Chickens are basically living dinosaurs.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: But they're tiny.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: You ever see a chicken go after a mouse? No,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: I've seen chickens go after other chickens or chickens go
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: after worms or other little bugs.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: It's very dinosaur-like, very velociraptor-like.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: But the way they go after a mouse is insane.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: It's like the ferocity in which they attack a mouse.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: Like there's a video we played it a million times,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: but there's a cat and the cat has a mouse
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: and the cat's kind of toying with the mouse and
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: a chicken runs over and snatches it from the cat
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: and just rips it apart like a monster. Just shaking it,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: pecking it, tearing it apart. Yeah. Yeah, watch this. Look
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: at this chicken fuck this mouse up. I mean, they
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: didn't try to steal it from each other. They all
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: know what it is. They want that mouse. And you
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: think of chickens as being these little cute little things
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: that peck around the grass. No, if they catch a mouse,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: they will fuck that mouse up.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because, I mean, they'll do it to other chickens. Like,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: my grandparents had chickens, and they, you know, they'd kill
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: each other sometimes.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what the pecking order is. Yeah, they literally
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: peck at each other and tear each other apart. They're
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: ruthless little cunts.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, actually, really, all animals kind of do that
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: to an extent.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Like, they'll kill their young, and all.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Humans do, too. Lindsay, but, well, allegedly, I guess.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Allegedly, she said she did it.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: Well, she may have been under the, you know, she
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: may have still been psychotic when she admitted it. That
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: one's so bizarre to me.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: She might have been psychotic when she admitted that she
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: did it?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: No, that's what some people think.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Some people think that she may.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, the people who are just trying to find
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: any excuse for why she did what she did have
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: come to just a million different brain dead.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that one is, that was not on my bingo card.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't think you're going to see hundreds of women
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: wearing pink shirts showing up outside the courthouse during her
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: trial in support of her having... strangled her fucking children
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: with an exercise cord one at a time. Yeah. I
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: did not understand that.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: I still really don't. I mean, well, there is just
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: a huge number of people who have just gotten so
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: invested in true crime, like true crime YouTube channels, and
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: that's all they watch all day every day. And so
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: they have basically convinced themselves that they are detectives. But
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: they suck at it. It's like, you know, like, like
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: I've watched so much football that I do watch it.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: And I basically think I know more than an NFL
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: head coach. Uh, meanwhile, yeah, I don't know anything.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: Why would you call that play? You idiot. I wouldn't
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: have done that.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: Um, I'm just sitting there, you know, eating. Um, but
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: there's like all these women who have done the same thing,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: but with true crime and they, you know, they think
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: they're God dang Clarice Starling.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: And, um, Yeah.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: But, you know, so they think there's like there's a
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: cover up.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: A conspiracy.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, the police department must be covering up things because
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: the husband definitely did it. Like, you know, they just
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: go down these rabbit holes of TikTok.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: Is the Dunning-Kruger effect in real time?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: It is exactly what it is.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: It's fascinating to see, but it is very sad when
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: it comes to that type of thing happening.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, it's bizarre. I never thought we would see
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: it like during the Casey Anthony trial. Nobody was in
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: support of Casey Anthony. Hell no.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: Now, she could have been proven, well, she kind of was,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: but like full-on innocence.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: Nobody would ever believe that she didn't kill that kid. Right, which,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: by the way, I'm going to send you this, Jamie,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: because you're not even going to believe this is real.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: But Casey Anthony has chimed in on the Shane Gillis
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: horror joke. Casey Anthony wrote a long piece on Substack.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: About the joke that Shane Gillis said about women dressing
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: like whores on SNL. Casey Anthony, the lady who killed
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: her kid.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: I know, because it makes you so angry you just
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: want to strangle your loved one. I mean, good Lord,
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: what a moron.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Well, not only that, I mean, this lady was, if
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: you wanted to use that term, was strangled her kid
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: so she could go out and fucking party. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: women can dress however they want. Women in the gym
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: can dress however they want. Men who have opinions about
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: how women dress need to all the way go fuck themselves.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: This toxic masculinity trend needs to end. These fragile men
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: need to get out of the way of women in totality.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: This lady killed her kid. Yeah. And she feels like
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: she can take the moral high ground and chime in
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: about a joke on Saturday Night Live. Which is really
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: the joke is on Shane. Because the joke is that
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: he looks like a creep in the background of all
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: these TikToks watching these ladies that are wearing nothing doing
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: these exercises.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: Well, he also didn't call them whores. He just said
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: they dress like it.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Yes. Completely different thing.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you can dress like anything, you know.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: My nephew was dressed like Batman like last year. He's
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: not stopping crime.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: I just, I mean, I get, I guess a little
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: bit of it, but like. I think people weren't understanding
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: like the nuance or, you know, really like thinking about
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: all the way he's thinking. He's just come out there
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: and said, oh, y'all are all whores for dressing like this.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: And also you can dress however you want.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Who cares? Yeah, who cares? But also when you do
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: go to a gym, I mean, Jesus. I know. Like
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: it is kind of hard not to be like, God,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: what the hell are you doing? It's kind of crazy.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen ladies at the gym that wear
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: essentially sheer pink jeans. really small shorts with no underwear on,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: and they're doing deadlifts. And when they're bending over, they're
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: sticking their vagina with the thinnest of cloth out into
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: the air.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, I knew one of them was pregnant before she did. Like, hey, you.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: I'd say you're out six weeks. And by the way,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: I have no problem with women dressing like that. Have fun.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: God bless you. If you have a great body, especially,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: show it off to the world. Who cares?
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: And don't be afraid to admit that that's what you're
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: doing because that's what guys do. There's no reason to
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: wear a sleeveless shirt versus a sleeve shirt in the gym.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: You're wearing a sleeve shirt because you want people to
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: see your arms.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Show the guns.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: Show the guns.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: And if a woman wants to wear skin-tight.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Stuff to show off, who cares? Who cares? I don't care.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: But I guess the word whore is what gets them. Yeah.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: I get it. I get you get upset. But it's
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: also because like real misogyny actually exists. Like real women
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: who hate or real men rather who hate women do exist.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: And so when you see a guy joking around about
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: a woman dressing like a whore, you connect it to
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: horrible misogyny. thoughts like horrible actions like real actual evil
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: man Yes that actually because like there's a lot of
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: men that genuinely hate women Shane Gillis is not one
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: of them right and he's a great guy It's just
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: a joke But but for some people those words and
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: then you see like the word police people which is
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: hilarious We need to stop using that word. We're still
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: using the word whore like you're not It's great. It's
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: a great word. It's a great word. Yeah. It's a
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: great word for also yourself. Like, like I, I freely
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: admit that when I did like, um, especially the second
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: iteration of fear factor is because I was being a whore.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: They offered me a fuck load of money to come
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: back in like 2011 and host fear factor again. And
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a whore. Let's go.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: Why not? Oh, I would hold myself out for far less.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not– I don't think it's a bad word.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: I just think it has to be used wisely. It's
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: one of the good things and bad things about the
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: internet is that everyone has an opinion. It's good. It's good.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: You get to see it all play out, see the chaos,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: and hopefully the dust will settle and there will be
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: some clarity on what's real and what's not real. But
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: because of the echo chambers and bubbles that people live
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: in online, there won't be any clarity, you know, because
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: everything is connected to an algorithm and you're only interacting
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: with people that agree with you. And it's like, yeah, OK.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: And yeah, this is too complicated.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: Actually real or what's not real.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a real problem. Yeah.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: Well, and just forming your opinions on like, I don't know,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: people are just so opinionated to the point where like
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: it's their identity, like their their take on a certain topic.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: That is who I am. And every conversation I have,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: that's going to come up. And I hate those people.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: I do as well. So much. And by the way,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: that's a new thing. Yeah. I'm older than you. And
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: when I was a kid, that didn't exist. I mean,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: there were some people that were ideologically connected to whatever
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: the political party was. Right. But not to the extent
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: that people are today. We're flavored every single opinion they
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: have about every aspect of society. From paper straws to
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: fucking electric cars to vaccines and healthcare and fucking everything.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Everything is connected politically.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: And if you don't... say something about it, then you
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: must be on the opposite side.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: Silence is violence, Cody Tucker. Silence is violence.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if I'm silent on something, that automatically means
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: I could be silent about it but still be on
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: your side. But no, they believe that I'm silent and.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: On the opposite side. I remember people getting mad at
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: people that didn't put a black square on their Instagram.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because they didn't stop the violence. They could
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: have stopped it by doing that.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: With a black square. It would have been nice. The
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: black square would have ended all violence. If the whole
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: country just put up a black square, it would have
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: been over. We could have moved into a new timeline. Yeah.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Could have.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, I know. It's just that virtue signaling.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: It is. And it's also this sort of evolution of
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: human thinking that's happening in real time. You know, with
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: this So you've got this thing, the internet, that gives
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: you immense resources and access to information. But then you
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: also have opinions that are inside this ecosystem that aren't
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: even real. These are bots. There's so many bots. I
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: read an article. There was an article in the New
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: York Times about Elon Musk's ex-girlfriend. There's the one that
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: he offered Ashley St. Clair. He offered her allegedly. $ 40 million.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: She's his baby mama, right? So she has one of
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: his babies. And she offered him, or he offered her, rather, allegedly,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: $ 40 million to be quiet. And she said no. And
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: she's blabbing to the world. So she was, at one
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: point in time, a right-wing influencer. And now she is
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: a part of the Democratic Socialists of America. She's joined
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: the DSA, which is fascinating.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: Quite a swing.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Quite a swing. Always interesting when people do a complete 180.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: But so there's this article that's written in the New
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: York Times and they post about it on Instagram. And
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: I go into the comments. I go, OK, I need
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: to see because I'm saying this is ripe for bots.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: Like this is going to be a fucking bot farm,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: like 100 percent. And it's all it was. It was crazy.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: A lot of them are literally saying the same thing.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: He could have just given her a billion. He's got
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: a trillion dollars. He could have just given her a billion.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: She would have stayed quiet. And you click on their
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: page and there's no posts and there's– it's locked down.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: It's a private page. It's a name and a bunch
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: of numbers. This is wild. This is like a fake
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: outrage account. And there's a thousand of them that are
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: posting on this. It's all the same thing.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: I've had it happen on one of my videos. I
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: had to take it down because I was so like,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, what is happening right now? It's like
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: one about Henry Ford that I did about him being
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: just a massive asshole and about like his Nazi connections.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: And it turned into a full, the Holocaust didn't happen.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Like it turned into that with thousands. I mean, I've
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: never like at that time had anywhere near that kind
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: of attraction. I looked and I was like, It's like,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: God damn, that one's getting a lot. Why is that
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: getting so many views?
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: And we started reading them. It was like, the number's
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: actually this. It's not 6 million. And it's just constant.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: And some of them were real or at least seem real.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: Because it's like, is this a real person saying this?
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: Well, there are levels of sophistication when it comes to bots,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: especially today with AI. They generate. One of the things
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: you could tell is how recent. The page started. I
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: like to go back to that first post. And a
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: lot of that first post is like six weeks ago
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: or a month ago. And then you see that there's
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: no interaction at all. No one's posting. No one's commenting.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: They have these posts. It's like them with their kid
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: on a swing, them working on a car in the backyard.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: And it might be AI generated or it might be
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: they have taken it from somewhere else. But they can
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: create a page that seems like a real person. Right.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: And they say a bunch of things that seem like
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: what a real person would say, like really simple captions
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: for each picture. So there's like levels of sophistication. And
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: then eventually it's going to be ex machina type levels
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: of sophistication where you're not going to be able to
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: discern whether or not it's a real person commenting or not.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: No, and you can have the whole world believe something
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: just if you have enough money to pay for enough bots.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Yes. Well, it's not even enough money. It's not expensive.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: That's what's crazy. You could start a bot campaign. Fairly
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: cheaply and have a bunch of people think, oh, my God,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: people are really mad at Cody Tucker. Yeah, yeah. Like
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: you could really have people's– and you could shift a
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: lot of the casuals who are just barely paying attention.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: You could shift their perception on you. Yeah. And that's
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. And they're certainly trying to
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: do that with Elon. But this thing with– do you
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: think it was Ford Motor Company that was doing this? No, no, no.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think it was?
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: There's just this massive rise in Holocaust denial.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: That's happened within just like the last couple of years.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Or like any post that has to do, I mean,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of it obviously has to do with like
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: the Israel-Palestine conflict and like Zionism and all this stuff.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people who just like watch
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: like this one documentary that like disproves the Holocaust. And
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: it's all, that documentary is all a bunch of like.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: Which documentary is that?
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: It's called like Europa, I think.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's all hogwash.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: None of it's real. It's just this guy who's, It
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: was a famous Holocaust denier. And now it's just become
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: like the, I don't know, because it's not even necessarily
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: like a right-wing versus left-wing thing, you know, where like, oh,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: all the right-wing people are Holocaust deniers or, you know,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: vice versa. It's like groups from everybody, but it's all like,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: for the most part, younger people, like my age or younger. Yeah,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: I just don't think it happens.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: You know what's also interesting too is that it's such
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: a disgusting subject that no one legitimate wants to debate
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: someone who doesn't believe in the Holocaust. Right. Like you
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: don't get like a legitimate scholar on World War II
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: who wants to sit down and have a conversation with
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: someone who's a Holocaust denier. Right. It's like you don't
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: platform those people. You don't. And so because of that,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: like there's a lot of people go, oh, they're hiding
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: the truth. Right, right. Yeah. Who do you think wrote
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: the textbooks? It was the. Right. But yeah, they didn't,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: but okay. What is their argument? Their argument is that
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: it's less number, that the number's lower.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: The number that pops up every single time is 200.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: And that's why I started realizing it might be bots
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: is because every one of them was saying 271,000, like
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: every post or 217,000 or something. So they think that's
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: the number.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: How do they come to that?
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Apparently, in the documentary, that's what the guy comes to
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: by crunching the numbers on the amount of Jews in
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: the area or something.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: But it's absolutely absurd.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: So do you think that it's a foreign country that
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: is doing this bot attack? What do you think? Because
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: if you were anti-Israel, if you were against Israel's policies
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: and you were a foreign country, if you're whatever, fill
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: in the blank, Palestine, Pakistan, whatever it is. You get
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: some Muslim country that wants to fund some sort of
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: anti-Israel thing, and then you would go after the core
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: reason why people have sympathy for the Jews in modern
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: society is because they were almost exterminated in Germany.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, basically the reason Israel exists is because of
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: the Holocaust.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: That would be the way to do it.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, and I just think there's a lot of
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: people who, yeah, just believe it because they read it
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: on the internet. They see the meme saying blah, blah, blah,
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: and they just outright believe it.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: I think bots should be illegal.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: I really do.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: 100%. I don't care because I'm sure there's a lot
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: of bots that follow me on social media. Oh, I
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: know there are a lot of bots that follow me.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what the number is, but
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: I'm sure, I would guess it's probably about 25%. Let
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: my number, I don't care if my number's a dropper.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: I don't care if my money goes down.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: Get rid of it. Get rid of bots.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: I've always felt that you should have to have an
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: ID to be able to prove who you are to
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: be able to create an account on any social media platform.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: I think there's dating apps that do it where you
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: have to take a picture of your ID and then
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: you go through a vetting process. That should be the
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: same with Instagram, Facebook.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: The problem with that is whistleblowers. And I think that
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: there is a legit argument that, especially if you're like
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: an Edward Snowden or Chelsea Manning type person who has
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: access to information that is highly classified, but you don't
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: want to reveal your identity, but people need to know.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: There's a crime being committed on the American people or
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: the people of the world or whatever. You know, the
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: whistleblower thing, protections for whistleblowers was a key part of
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: the Obama campaign when he was running for office was
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: protection for whistleblowers. Meanwhile, he was like one of the
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: worst people for whistleblowers ever that was president, which is
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: kind of funny. Yeah. But they also even removed that
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: part from the Hope and Change website. So the Hope
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: and Change website had this whole thing about whistleblowers. Yeah.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: Deleted that. Yeah, yeah. Cat came out of the bag
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: on that one. Good Lord. So that's the argument against
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: having to show identification is that it's probably important that
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: some people be able to post anonymous because there's very
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: powerful people that would try to take them out. Right. No, no.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: I do believe in anonymity for whistleblowers.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: But how do you do that and then also have
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: an ID to post? No, you can't.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: But I mean, you just whistleblow the old-fashioned way and
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: just and write it to a newspaper that only about
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: 40 people are going to read now because nobody reads newspapers.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you can't even count on the newspaper printing that. Well, no, no.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: Depending upon what you're revealing and what ideology would be
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: opposed to that and whether or not this newspaper ascribes
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: to that ideology. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, which that's kind of always been a problem too.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: But if you went back to like, you know, the–
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: All the president's men, you know, Nixon, Watergate stuff, like
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: at least, you know, they were able to do that.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: Well, that was one of the most disturbing things about
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: Elon purchasing Twitter was when they let like Michael Schellenberger,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: Matt Taibbi and all these journalists review the emails that.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: that were with the executives at Twitter were in contact
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: with the intelligence agencies. And that the intelligence agencies were
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: actively censoring accounts, were directing them to remove accounts. They
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: were posting factual information. But that was inconvenient towards the
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: COVID policies of the Biden administration. So they were actively
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: censoring legitimate scientists from Stanford, MIT, like legit people. And
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: they were like, uh-uh, ban them. Take them off. Yeah. Scary. Yeah.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know if there's really any real
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: right way of going about it. I mean, we may
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: be doing it the best, the most right way that
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: it could be done, which that's terrifying if that's true.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: I don't. Well, I think there has to be a
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: way to tell if something is a bot and you
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: should have some sort of filters in your system at
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: least to mitigate the bots to get to a point
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: where you can't just have a letter and a name
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: and a bunch of fucking numbers and 50,000 of those
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: accounts and bomb on someone's account because Henry Ford was
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: a Nazi. Or just– I guess that doesn't work either.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: I was saying like– Just have it where you're vetted
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: and then only people who have been vetted can comment.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, that doesn't necessarily work because
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: if a person is a whistleblower, it ruins out.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem is anonymity is important when you're revealing something,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: especially when you're revealing something about a government or corporation
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: where they could whack you. You know, it's like, which
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: I think, God, I don't want to say, but I
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: think the best way to do is just ignore the comments.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: And just let them– but there's a bunch of people
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: who don't do that, and it does artificially alter public
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: opinion on things. Yeah.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is– that was why, like, for that post,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: I just took it down because I was like, oh,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to go through and sift out all
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: these comments.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Did you think about just banning the comments? Just blocking comments?
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, disabling comments. No, not until right now.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: That might have been the best way to do it.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: Probably should have done that. Because it's an– I remember
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: that post. Yeah. It was an interesting post. Yeah. Does
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: it exist anymore anywhere? No. Wow. They got me. They
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: got you. I know. I was infiltrated. Maybe that's how
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: the people that are pro-Holocaust narrative do it. They put
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: in so many scumbags that if you agree to, if
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: you follow what they're saying, you're a terrible person. Yes.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: And people don't want to do that. That's true. And
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: so they're shaming you. Yeah. For posting it. Jeez. Wild.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: It's not good. Yeah, no, I probably should have just
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: taken out the comments.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: How bad was Henry Ford, though?
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: Just not a good person overall.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: Is this it? Oh. Where does it exist? YouTube Shorts. Oh,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: it's on YouTube Shorts. Let's put the headphones on. Do
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: you want to check the comments? Oh, you should, actually.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: That'd be pretty funny. Start from the beginning. Here we go.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: Henry Ford revolutionized the automobile industry. with his moving assembly
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: line allowing for the manufacturing of the Model T to
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: go from 12 hours per car to 90 minutes per car.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: At that point, they were making 10,000 Model Ts a day.
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: He also doubled his employees' wages and basically created a
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: new middle class in America. Despite all of this, Henry
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: Ford was also a massive anti-Semite. In 1920, Henry Ford
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: began publishing a weekly magazine called The International Jew. the
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: world's problem. Henry Ford's views on the Jewish population struck
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: a nerve with a young man in Austria, who included
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: Henry Ford in his manifesto, Mein Kampf. Henry Ford was
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: the only American complimented in that book written by a
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: young Adolf Hitler. Henry Ford even received the Grand Cross
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: of the German Eagle, the highest German award for foreigners,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: by Adolf Hitler himself.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: That's wild. Click on the comments, please. Let's go. Here
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: we go. I'd love to see what these comments are.
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: What does it say here? Oh, for a second, one.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: Henry Ford, a man ahead of time. Wow. I bet
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: they're not talking about the first part. It always feels
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: like we've forgotten more than we remember. Thank you. I
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: live in Detroit, and ooh boy, is this topic taboo.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: I wonder why. The irony is that when the war
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: broke out, the same Henry Ford revolutionized the manufacturing of
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: war planes. Yeah. Other admirers of that little mustache Austrian
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: painter were Disney, King Edward VIII, Duke of Windsor, Wallace Simpson.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Charles Lindbergh.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: Lindbergh.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: Was he really? Charles Lindbergh's a massive Nazi, yeah.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: Whoa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No way.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: So this isn't as bad. Oh, this one's nowhere near
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: as bad. It seems like... Stop, stop, stop. Go back up.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: Some of these seem like bots. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: Ford was, I don't know. Ford was a great man.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, the My Type of Guy thing is very, yeah.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: It could be shit posters. Well, yeah, which I think
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of it, too. Yeah, who knows? Who knows?
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: It's got Lionel Richie in his fucking, that's his image.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: So it seems like it's more of a social media
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: thing than a YouTube thing where the comments were, God,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: a lot of those seem like bots. Yeah, they do.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: Look at these names with all the... When you see
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: names like that with a bunch of numbers behind it,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: I have so much more respect for Henry now. That's
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: the one, yeah. At the top, yeah. But these are
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: definitely nowhere near as bad. I mean... Nowhere near as bad,
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: but the same thing. I have more respect for him.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: But look at what it is. It's the same thing.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: It's these names with a bunch of numbers. Yep.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, almost all of them are.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, there was an article we've referenced many times
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: where a former FBI analyst was looking at Twitter before
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk purchased it, and he determined that it was
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: somewhere in the neighborhood of 80% bots. Really? Because they
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: were trying to say that it was 5%, and they
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: did that by a 100-post random sampling. So they just
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: randomly got, allegedly randomly. But if you're trying to sell
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: something for $ 4 billion or whatever he paid for it.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Was it $ 40 billion? What did he pay for it?
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: For Twitter? Something crazy. $ 44 billion. So if you're selling
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: something for $ 44 billion, the last thing you want to
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: do is find out that it's mostly just robots yelling
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: into the abyss. But this CIA guy or this FBI
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: guy said he estimated at the high end it's in
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: the 80%.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, that seems so high, but probably.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: But it makes sense, though. It's probably right, yeah. If
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: you think about it, that's the town hall. And propaganda
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: has always been a thing. Distributing leaflets, putting propaganda films out,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: that's always been a thing. So why wouldn't you utilize
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: the greatest vehicle of propaganda the world has ever seen
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: and just have an army of people comment on things?
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Makes sense. Yeah. Manufactured outrage. Yes, which is what.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: Most things are now. It's like manufactured outrage or manufactured fandom.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like most things that are so popular now,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: there's no way that's authentic.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: Like what kind of stuff? Like certain movies will make
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: just an astronomical amount of money. I don't think that
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: many people want to see that movie. Like that new
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: Spider-Man movie, that brand new.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: Day, it's like broke every record. Who the hell went
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: to go see that thing?
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: You'd be amazed. People love superhero movies. Or like the L.O. Langley,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: you know, that music, that song. Nothing against her, nothing
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: against the song. But it's like baiting all these records.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know a single person who's sitting around listening
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: to that. I listen to that song.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. I like it.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: You should go to a bar on 6th Street.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. Is it really? Well, that actually makes– That
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: song is popular as fuck.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it makes– I think maybe I'm just– I'm
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: not the best person to even talk about that kind
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: of stuff because I'm in a dang one-person bubble.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're in a bubble. Have you ever seen her–
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: there's a film of her, a video of her getting
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: ready to go on stage and she's walking through the
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: backstage area. Yeah. And that song, Stayin' Alive, is playing,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: and she's dancing.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: It does the little kicks and stuff.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Very compelling. It is.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: Isn't it weird how that video is so, like, captivating?
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: Because I've watched it free. Yeah. Here, play it. Give
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: me volume. Yes, I've watched this video. Oh, because of
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: the song? Yeah.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: On that note, I'll talk to you later.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Never mind. Okay. You want to just tell me now
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: and edit it out? Yeah, yeah. Just what?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: You and LL Cool J reciting the lyrics to Going
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: Back to Cali got flagged.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: That's how the flags work. It's like because you recited
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: the lyrics.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: Really? Oh my God. These fucking criminals. Was he reciting them? Yeah,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: both of them.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, both of us.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: But he probably doesn't own the... No, it's not. It's
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: just the flag itself. That's fucking bananas. Bananas. Wow. It's
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: a weird world we're living in, man. Yes. If you
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: hum a song... Like, you know that song, is it,
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say it.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: We don't talk about songs anymore.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: Is it the, is it the, is it Sunshine of
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: My Life? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: You guys have done that a lot.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: I do that all the time. Like, whenever I think
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: about someone like really high on drugs, I always like,
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: make that noise and if you can't well i'll make
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: it real quick and then we'll edit it right here
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: we go sunshine of your love yeah sunshine yeah yeah
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: cream so cream right um so when um if you
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: do that on a podcast they'll flag you just do.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: That That's so crazy.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: Crazy. Oh, my God. Crazy. I'm amazed mine hasn't. Because
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: I have a movie podcast, and one of our categories
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: is called Creed It and Weep, where you have to
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: place the Creed song, arguably the greatest song ever written,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: My Own Prison by Creed, somewhere in the movie where
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: you put it.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: And we always end up singing the song.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: They probably haven't got you yet. they'll find you.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: I know, we do a good job.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: They're going to get you now. Yeah, yeah. Now that
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: you're talking about it here, they're going to get you. Yeah,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have mentioned it. But that Choose in Texas
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: song is huge. No, it is, I guess. It's huge.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: There's something about this world that is so chaotic that
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: it has made simplicity much more attractive and country music
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: is making a giant comeback. Oh, my God. A huge resurgence. Yes.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: It's because people want, like, They want to be by
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: the river with a pickup truck and with, you know,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: just having a good time and praising Jesus. And they
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: want simplicity. They want things to be clearly defined and
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: they want to take away the anxiety of the unknown
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: because the anxiety of the unknown is looming over us
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: constantly like a fog, like that giant sky demon from
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: Stranger Things. Yeah. You know, that fucking thing. That's like looming.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: That's what our future, our uncertain future and this technological
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: hell that we, we've unleashed on the world. And that
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that they, they long for
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: the opposite of that. They long for Yellowstone. They long
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: for cowboy shows. They long for things to be simple.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 2: That's a bit, no, I do agree with that where
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: people just want to have land and people want to
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: occupy their land. And, uh, they want to raise families
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: on their land.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: There's that.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: That's like 90% of.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: Homesteading. Yeah.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: But I think with music, though, it's kind of interesting because,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could kind of say that about any time.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: Like the 60s, when was there ever a more, like,
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: what the hell's about to happen to us time? But
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: then that was some of the most original music ever
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 2: made and some of the most complex music ever made
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: at that point.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: So it was like the chaos.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: Turned into chaotic music. Whereas now the uncertainty has turned into,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: God dang, I just want to make sure this music
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: sounds the same.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: I want to know what.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: I'm getting before I get it. Like, well, that was
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: just suck at making music now too. Not, not, well, no,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: not in like overall, but I think what gets pushed
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: to the top is, is more like that. I think people, uh,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: like whoever's, you know, marketing music or whatever company, you know,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: whether it's Sony, whoever, they're way less likely to take
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: a risk on someone and they just know like, okay,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: this worked the past 15 times. Well, let's go and
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: do 16th and, and do it that way. And where
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: I think that wasn't always the case. I mean, you
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: could definitely say there was like the pop, you know,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: bubblegum pop of the sixties where it was just how
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: many versions of the Dave Clark five can we make?
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: And then, but occasionally they would bust out like, you know,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: like the doors or, you know, big brother in the
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: home company or something. Now I don't think there's any
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: version of that.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if that's true. No? No, because
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: I think that today, one of the very unique things
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: about today is that you don't need anyone for you
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: to go viral. All you have to do is be
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: able to post it online. Like Oliver Anthony is a
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: great example of that. He comes up with Rich Men
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: North of Richmond and it becomes this fucking massive hit,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: like out of nowhere. And it turns out he's actually
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: really fucking talented and And stays independent and does it
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: all on his own. Yeah.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: I think those are very few and far between.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: But they exist and they didn't exist before. So in
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: the 60s, you couldn't do that. If you were going
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: to release an album, you had to go through a
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: music company. You had to go through a record company.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: You had to have an agent. You had to have
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: a manager. You had to have all these. There was
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: gatekeepers to keep you from getting on the radio. You
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: couldn't just have a song and bring it to the
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: radio station and say, hey, will you play my song?
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: That's not how it worked. No, no. You had to
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: bring your demo to a label, and then the label
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: took care of the rest. Oliver Anthony's first time performing
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: live was in front of, like, 12,000 people. Jesus Christ.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: So he's a guy who, like, makes a song literally, like,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: in a field with a fucking cool guitar and sings
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: this song, and it resonated with people so strongly that
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: they just– went out to see him in droves. That is...
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: But he's a very unique talent. Yeah. But it's also
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: like that thing now exists where it never existed before.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: And there are people like that out there. Yeah. There's
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other ones that are really interesting that
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: are popping off like left and right all over the
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: place in that way. Just resonate with people.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: I need to actually listen to some newer music because
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: I never do. I'm so stuck in like older music and.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: Have you ever heard his song Scornful Woman?
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: Oliver Anthony's?
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: You played it for me.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was amazing. Whoa. Yeah.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: That was so good.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: No, he is amazing. And there are some people for sure.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: I just feel like talent has, I don't know, there's
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: something that just feels too robotic about music. Like whenever
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: I hear songs now, it, sounds like it's made on
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: a laptop like even but like it's almost like too
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: well produced whereas if i listen to like van halen
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: one i can hear the times where eddie van halen
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: fucks up right right right even though he's the greatest
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: guitarist of all time like i want to hear the
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: imperfections in that and now you would have a producer
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: go through and cut out every little thing and it
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: doesn't even sound like a person anymore right so i
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: there's something that just feels like a uncanny valley about
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: music now. Movies have become that way even to me.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of AI clips that I watch
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: now on YouTube with these short AI movies like Dracula
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: versus the Wolfman. Yes. And they're really clunky. They're clunky
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: and the graphics are kind of, they're a little shitty.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: They're really good, but not good enough. Like you don't
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: think it's real. Right. But I'm just fascinated that a
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: regular person gets to do these things. It's really weird. Yeah.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's part of me that thinks that's a
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: good thing, but part of me that doesn't. Sometimes I
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: feel like there needs to be a bottleneck, you know,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: where I think, yeah, I don't know. I feel like
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: less is more almost always.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: Well, it's definitely going to be hard to find the
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: quality things. But I think that the quality things are
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: going to exist where they wouldn't have existed before. Like
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: someone who's just a very creative person that has an
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: idea that would have cost millions and millions of dollars
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: to produce. Instead, it's just sitting at home with a
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: laptop and an LLM, and they feed it into that.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: And next thing you know, you've got this really cool
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: creative video that came out of their imagination that wouldn't
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: have been possible. But the amount of those versus the
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: amount of bullshit is crazy.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: That's the problem.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: That's the problem.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 2: And I think that's a big problem with music, too,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: is that there's just so much.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that's why live performance is so awesome. Yes.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: Like going to see a live musician. Yeah. You know,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: like Oliver Anthony played at our club. He played at
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: the Mothership. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that. Yeah. We've
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: only had two awesome bands play there. Oliver Anthony, his band,
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: and Red Clay Strays. They're amazing. Amazing. So that's like
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: one of the few bands of like, you know, that
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: I do actively listen to that's a modern. Lead singer,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: also Android user. There you go. Doesn't give a fuck. Yeah. Yeah. No,
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's quite a bit of– maybe quite
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: a little overlap in between him and I. There's a
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: rebellion thing about Android users. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. There's
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people that I know that are– Brian Simpson,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: Android user. Andrew Wilson, Android user. There's a bunch of
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: people that are like just unwilling, unwilling to give in
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: to the call of the siren.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: No, I'm strapped to the damn– to the mast at
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: this point.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not– Yeah, well, I feel like if I changed
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: it now, I'd be a real dickhead.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the problem with committing to something like that.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: Because if you tried an Apple iPhone and you realize, oh,
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: my God, this is so much easier to use and
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: better and it does things for you. I don't want
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: to even think about that. You'd give up on the convenience?
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: What if it was able to do things that you
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: couldn't do without it? I'm not that interested in convenience.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: I don't really need convenience. No?
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: No, because I don't do anything else. So I have
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: the time to be having a less convenient life.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: Do you ever think that you will make your life
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: more complicated? Do you ever see yourself having a family
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: or anything like that? Oh, geez.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's entirely possible.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: How old are you now? There may already be one now.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: How old are you now?
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: Thirty-two.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: Do you think about it someday that you'd like to
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: have a little Cody running around? Man, I don't know. Maybe.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I'd probably be an
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: all right dad. I'm sure you're a nice guy. I'm
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: sure you'd be a great dad. It'll change you. It'll
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: change you. I don't know about in a bad way.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: But I won't be able to do whatever I want
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: You won't. Whatever I want. You won't. That's true. That's true. Yes,
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: I'm a big like– But you will love this child
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: more than you've ever loved anything in your life. It
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: will change your life. I'm ready for that. You don't
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: have to. No. I'm not encouraging you as a person
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: who is a father. I'm not encouraging. I think– I
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: do not like the idea that the only way to
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: live a fulfilling life is to be a parent. I
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: think that is I think any sort of reductionist perspective
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: on a person's life and purpose I think is ridiculous.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people that have never had children
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: that have greatly impacted the human race.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: In a super positive way. Yeah. And had wonderful relationships
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: and friendships and people loved them and missed them and
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: they genuinely changed the world. Mm-hmm. You don't have to
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: have children. No, but in all seriousness, I probably will
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 1: at some point. Yeah. I'm sure. I think you'd be
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: a great dad. Yeah, I think I'd be, you know,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: a good husband, good dad, you know.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: So I'd probably do it.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: At some point. You might have to leave your town
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: to find a, you got a lady right now? Yeah. Oh, well, good. Congratulations. Yeah.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: Does she want to have little ones, little Codys? She
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: already does. She already does. Well, she doesn't already have
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: little Codys. But she has children already? Yeah, so.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I kind of don't have a
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: choice in that matter. I mean, yeah, no. No, it's
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: all going to work out pretty good.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you're hopeful. Yeah.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: You have a good perspective.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't really have much of a choice, you know. Yeah.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: Be hopeful or dread life.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not too interested in that.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: Well, people are always worried about the uncertainty and the unknown.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: And like we were talking about before, I really genuinely
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: think that's why there's this genuine, there's a trend, a
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: clear trend. Toward, like, simplistic music and simplistic lifestyles. And
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: certainly during COVID, a lot of people, like, turned to homesteading. Yes.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: They realized, like, oh, we might not be able to
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: have food. Which, by the way, I saw maybe the
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 1: worst movie I've ever seen in my life the other day. Okay.
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: I think it's called The Last House. Oh, I know.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: It kind of looked interesting.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 1: Wait, hold on.
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: The Last House?
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 1: Are you sure that's what it was called? I think
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: that's what it's called. Yeah, it just came out. Yeah, okay. Okay,
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: it's good for a while. The ending is maybe the
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: worst ending of any movie of all time. It's almost
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: like they ran out of, yeah, this is it. Oh,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: this is it. These people get, spoiler alert, they get
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: trapped in the house by aliens. So aliens won't let
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: you leave the house. You can't break the windows. You
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: can't open the door for whatever fucking reason that makes
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: no sense whatsoever. And then these aliens are like these
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: big squid things that are like octopus things that hang
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: out outside your door. And then most people starve to
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: death because they can't leave the house. But this one family,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: the dad's an engineer. They figured out a way to
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: trap animals and drag them back into the house. And
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 1: then they survive somehow or another. But there's these monsters
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: that live out there. I don't want to spoiler it
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: for anybody, but the ending is so fucking dumb.
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: You're just going to go, what happened here? And by
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: the way, that guy who's the lead actor is the
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: guy who played Pablo Escobar. Yeah, Narcos. Yeah, he's amazing.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: And he won or nominated for an Oscar last year.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: He's fucking great. No, he is. He's an amazing actor.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, is this movie bad. How long do you
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: think you'd be lasting in that? In that kind of
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: a world? Trapped in a house? Trapped in a house
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: is not good. You got all kinds of stock. Yeah.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: For good, you go, okay, good for a year. What
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 1: are you good for? Two years? And then you're going
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 1: to need food. You're going to need to get out
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: of the house. There's no way you're going to be
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: able to live in your... The premise of the movie
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: is ridiculous.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: And they throw a trap out of the chimney, and
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: that's how they catch animals on the front porch. It's
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: the dumbest fucking... Oh, it's pretty good.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: Good thinking.
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: It's kind of okay. Like, maybe it kind of would work,
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: but it's the ending. I don't want to give away
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: the ending. The ending, you're just going to go, what
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: the fuck just happened?
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't laugh.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 1: One of the monsters is a good monster, and it
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: tells him, don't kill these people, and it opens the
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: door and lets him out. After, like, six years.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 2: Wait, so that's the ending?
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. And then they never see the monsters again,
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 1: and then they go sailing. It's the dumbest fucking ending
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: you'll ever see in a movie ever. There's another trapped
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: on a boat. Well, they're going to go around and
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: eventually find other people that live, too. But there's maybe
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 1: like 30 people left on Earth. And by the way,
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: these monsters, they never see them again. That's also part
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: of the thing. Meanwhile, they're everywhere in the beginning. Every
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 1: time it gets dark out and rains, these monsters are
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 1: outside their house and they have to cover the windows
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: or the monsters will see them. And then one day
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 1: the monsters enter the house and try to kill them.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: And then they fight with the monster and then don't
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: kill the monster. And that monster decides they're a good guy.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 1: And so he lets them out.
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: I don't like any of this.
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: Dude, it's so bad. The ending, you're going, what in
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: the fuck did I just watch? I wouldn't make it
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: three days. I can't ration. I'd be really screwed. You'd
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: just eat all the potato chips and that shit. Oh, everything.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have plenty of things, and I could survive,
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: but I'd get way too hungry.
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 1: But if you knew, do you think you would change
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: your behavior? Or would you say, like, let's just.
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: It's too embedded. I've lived this way way too long.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: Until the wheels fall off, let's go.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, might as well. I have a clean bill
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: of health as far as my doctor goes. I might
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: as well go out with a clean bill of health.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 1: What if you found yourself out in the woods and
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: there was no one anywhere around you? You woke up
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 1: and you're in a cabin, but you have a rifle,
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 1: a large amount of bullets, firewood, some sort of a
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: wood stove, and water. Do you think you'd live?
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 2: No, so I would take the rifle and put it
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: right there.
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, I would.
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: I would look out the windows and I would maybe
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: like whistle.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 1: What if there's a bunch of books, like really cool
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: books in the cabin, and all you had to do
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: is just figure out a way to shoot some squirrels,
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 1: stay alive? I wouldn't.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be worth it.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't be worth it. I think I'd just send it.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: You'd just end it?
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. Yeah.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: I wanted like an easy life, you know. I'm not
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: meant for a difficult life. No, I've ruined myself, you know.
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 1: Physically. Okay. But mentally, you do like challenges. Oh, yes.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: I'm a big, yeah, no, I love a mental challenge.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 2: I love keeping this thing going. It's just from there down,
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: I'm not keeping, you know, well, I'm conserving energy, like
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: I said, just in case.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 1: I understand. I understand your perspective.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: Because if something happens, you would be surprised, I'm telling you.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: I feel like you don't believe me at all on this, but.
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 2: If something happened, I'd really be able to take off
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: pretty quick.
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: What do you mean? Like fast. Run? Yeah. Yeah, I
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: think you're delusional. Okay, well. I don't think you'd be
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: able to run. If there was like you and me
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: and an animal was chasing us, it's going to get you.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 1: I'm coming in first. You're coming in second. That's interesting.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: That's a hilarious perspective. That's actually hilarious.
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: Well, it depends on the animal, I suppose.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 1: It does not depend on the animal. No. It could
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: be a fucking chicken chasing us. I'm going to get
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 1: ahead of you by a large margin really quickly, and
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: there's no way you can catch me. It's not even
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 1: physically possible. What's the distance? It doesn't matter. Oh. It
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 1: could be 100 yards. It could be 100 miles. 40-yard dash.
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: My 40 time was surprisingly quick.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 1: I think that was a long time ago, Cody. Yeah,
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 1: it may have been a long time ago. I think
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: it was a long time ago. I don't think there's
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: a chance in hell that you could run faster than me.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: Probably not. No. No. No.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: Well, we won't race, so I guess we'll never know
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: the actual answer.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just a weird idea that you have
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: in your head. A guy who's so smart and who
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: is so interested in facts and history has this one
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 1: delusional idea that you can run.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: Interested in facts and history, yes.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: Smart, no. You're not smart.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: I can just remember things, but I'm a pretty delusional person.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: In this aspect.
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: I think life's way too short to not be delusional.
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. So it's like a protective shield, being delusional? Yeah.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: Yes. I just– I think everything is going to work
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: out always.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a way better perspective than everything is going
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: to be doom. Those people are exhausting. No, so I
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: do– OK.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: I actually probably shouldn't have said what I said. I
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: do think everything is going to go bad.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: Hold on.
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 1: I think I did the wrong order.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: So I think everything is going to be bad inside.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: But on the outside, I try to convince myself that
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: everything's okay. And it does work. But no, on the inside,
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: I'm scared to death of everything.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: But everything is going well for you. Like you said,
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 1: you've got a lady in your life. Your page is
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: doing fantastic. You've written two books. Things are going really well. No, no,
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 1: it's not that.
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 2: I just think, what if I have a heart attack
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: right now? Or what if on the way home I
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: die in a car wreck? I'm always thinking. I'm a
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: very what-if person. Which is why I don't like thinking
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: about the future because when I think of the future,
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not hopeful at all. It's always like something bad
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: is going to happen to me in the future. But
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: right now, nothing is.
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: If things start to happen bad, like if your health
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: starts to fade, do you think you'll make conscious decisions
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 1: to become healthier? Oh, I would like to think so. Yeah.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: I'm very much like a, as long as everything's coming
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: back all right, I'm going to keep running this son
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: of a bitch into the ground.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: Right. As long as everything's coming back all right.
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but if I get an A1C test that looks
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: a little iffy, I don't know.
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: What I'm going to do on that one. Well, I
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: think that would probably change if you had children. Oh, yes.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 1: That would be one of the things that would change.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: You would want to be around for your children. And
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 1: that does happen to a lot of people. They have children.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: They say, oh, my God. I have to be here
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: for this little tiny person that I love to death.
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 1: I have to change my diet. I have to change
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: my life. Oh, yeah.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: No, there's no doubt about that. I would change things
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 2: up quite a bit. I mean, I have changed some things.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: I quit drinking.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: When did you do that?
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: Seven or eight years ago.
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It was probably about eight years ago. Actually,
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: partly because of October stuff. Really?
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that was like whenever I first tried it
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: and was like, oh, this is way better than drinking
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: every day.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You certainly feel a lot better. That's for sure. Yeah.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, the month ends and then I
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: go back to drinking, but I'm like not enjoying it
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: that much. And then by like February of, you know,
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: after that November, I was just like, no, done.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: No more. I'm tired of this. I'm tired of drinking
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: every day.
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: I'm tired of drinking as much as I'm drinking and
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: feeling horrible and just quit.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 1: Good for you, man. That's it.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: I have it in there.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 1: I took eight months off, about eight months. And then
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: I went out with my wife and had a, I
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: think I had a margarita. Margarita or a glass of wine,
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: something like that. And then I was like, oh, I
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: think I'm back.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 1: I like it. See, that's my problem. I can't have
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 1: a little of something. That's the big problem.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: And that's why drinking was kind of easy. Not that
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: it was easy, but it was kind of easy because
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: I can just not drink. I'll live, like I can
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: just have zero alcohol, but I can't have zero food.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 1: And that's my, where.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: My problem is, is I overeat all the time. Cause
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: I just, I feel like I'm never going to get enough.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: It's like famine mentality, but I didn't grow up like,
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: you know, poor or anything. So, I mean, not rich,
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: but like, I don't know why I have this like
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: mentality of like, Oh, I got to have everything. But
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: that's how it was with alcohol too. It's like, I
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: can't buy an 18 pack of beer. Cause that's not
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: going to be enough.
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 1: Like, no, no, no, no.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: So I need to buy two 18s. Cause like, I
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: know that'll be more than enough. And I don't want
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 2: to ever run the chance of not having enough. And
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: because there's so much, I'm more inclined to drink way more.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: I eat a lot, believe it or not. I'm a glutton.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: I have a problem. Like, I can't stop eating. I
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: just burn it off, luckily. But I get to points
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 1: where I don't. I get to points where I start
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: getting a belly.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: And I start getting fat on the sides. And I
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: look at myself in the mirror. I'm like, oh, you
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: look like shit, dude. It's time to, like. button down
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: the hatches i get to points i've had some points
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: where i got pretty like but right before i did
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 1: the carnivore diet the first time i got pretty heavy
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: i got like i think i was like 208 or
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 1: 209 which for me is a lot what do you
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: what are you normal run at right now i'm 200
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 1: which is good that's is that like that's normal 200
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 1: pounds is normal when i get above like 205 i
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 1: start getting a little nervous that's what i'm.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: Getting you notice that much of a change yeah Oh, boy.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you notice a change. I notice a change in
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: how I feel. I feel like I'm carrying around extra weight.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: And I also just feel like shit. It just feels good.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 1: But I'm a glutton, man. When I sit down to eat,
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: I just can't stop eating. I eat so much. I'll
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: eat like two entrees. Like, I'll have, like, two steaks.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: I'll have a steak. I'll have a big plate of pasta.
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: I'll eat a bunch of appetizers. Like, if I go
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 1: out to dinner with friends, I eat, like, a pig. Oh,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: that's nice. I eat so much, especially if it's Italian food. Oh,
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: my God. I'm a glutton. I'll eat pizza and pasta.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: And then I'm just like, oh, my stomach is literally, like,
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: stretched to the boundaries. Like, oh. Then I'll sit there
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: like a. bear that's been shot with a tranquilizer dart.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: That's me.
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: That's actually me like almost every day. I just have
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: self-control other times. And then I don't, you know, I
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: do a lot of intermittent fasting. Or like if I
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 1: eat at 7 p.m. at night, I literally won't have
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: any food at all until maybe one in the afternoon
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: the next day. And then I'll work out. I'll do
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: all this different stuff. And then I'll eat something before
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: I go and do a podcast. Okay. And I do
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: that all the time. So my body has these long
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 1: stretches where it's allowed to digest all the food. But
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 1: in the past, like there's been moments in the past
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: where I haven't done that. I'll eat late night snacks.
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: I'll get up in the morning. I have a big
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: breakfast and I have a big lunch. And then it
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: starts getting away from me. Yeah.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: So I've gotten a little bit better with it just,
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: you know, over time. But mine is just very wave,
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: you know, up and down, up and down. Right now
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: I'm on an up. But enough in weight, not in goodness.
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. Like I'm really going. Do you make corrections
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 1: when you feel like you're going in a bad direction? Yeah.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: So then I'm like, oh, let's add some salads into
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: this thing. And then I start doing that for a little.
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: And then there's the down. That's where I, you know,
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: lose a little bit of weight. My weight goes down.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: But then I'm like, yeah, but this kind of sucks.
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: So then I go right back up. So it really
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: always sucks.
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: I think it's just always either like it sucks, but
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling healthier or sucks, but I'm feeling I'm eating good.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: Do you think you'd ever get to a point where
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 1: you'd hire a trainer? God, that just.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: Feels real dumb.
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: Does it?
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, a little bit, but I can't be motivated
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: by other people.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: Well, you don't have to be motivated by other people,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: but the other people can like take you through a
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 1: routine where you don't have to think. Oh, okay. Okay.
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: So not like a boot camp type thing.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: No.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: Not like Celebrity Fit Club.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Oh, okay. Because I would not
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 1: respond to that.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 1: I mean like, you know, you have a scheduled meeting
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: where you meet a guy at like 10 a.m. someplace
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: and you work out for an hour three times a week.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: So like a dietician, like almost like what you do
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: when you meet with a dietician. Sorry, but a trainer
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: would be like someone who like can– They say, OK,
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: what are your goals? What are you trying to accomplish? OK,
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to help you do that. And there's people
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: that are really good at that. Right. There's a lot
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: of jerk off trainers that are just assholes that just
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: got a job at the gym. And most of the
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: time they don't even know what they're doing. There's a
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: lot of people like that. I've met them. But then
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: there's also people that are like really good at their
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 1: job and take it very seriously and really like helping
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 1: people and getting people on the right track. OK.
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 1: Recognizing that there's this moment where people start to feel
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: better and recognize like, oh, this thing– like my friend
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 1: Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll is a great example. Jelly Roll
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: was 500 pounds. He's lost 300 pounds. I mean that
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: is insane. And he was a big excess guy. He
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: was drinking and eating and just– off the rails. Now
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: he's running every day and now he exercises. And I
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 1: was just with him in Utah. We went on an
• 2:14:02
  Speaker 1: elk hunt together and this guy's hunting. It's going up
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: mountains and shit. He's like super healthy now. It's crazy.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: And I mean, he's like, I've never felt better in
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: my life. Like I feel so fucking good. It's like,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it took me so long to get
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 1: on this path.
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 2: So I would do something like that. I think like
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: a trainer actually, you know, Sitting down with you.
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: With him, it just started with walking. Well, that's the thing.
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: So I did buy a treadmill, which has now become
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: a clothes rack. But I did buy a treadmill. And
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 2: I was like walking. I was like.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, look at me. I'm like you, making a difference.
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, my heart started going a little fast.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: And I was breathing a little heavy. But it was,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: you know, just because it had been like 30 minutes
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: on the treadmill. And then I got afraid that I
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: couldn't catch my breath. And I had a panic attack.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, this isn't good. And then
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: every time I got on it, I immediately was like, oh,
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: this isn't good. My breath, I'm out of breath.
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: Which it was fine. I mean, I was breathing fine.
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: It's just psychological. It's all in my head.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: I have massive like panic, which is all, you know,
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: from all, you know, the anxiety. Like I'm sure if
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: one thing got corrected, the other would correct.
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 1: A hundred percent. I like you. You're a really good guy.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: I want you to be better. I want you to
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 1: be healthier. That's why I'm. pursuing this line of discussion
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: yeah it's an intervention no not really but you know
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 1: what one thing that would really help huh uh putting
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: your treadmill in front of a television and watching a
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 1: movie yeah so that's what i was doing well that's
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 1: a great way to do it yeah i was watching
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: like lord of the rings because i was like i
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: want to do the walk to mordor thing you know
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: it's a little nerdy but i love lord of the
• 2:15:33
  Speaker 1: rings and i was like and that's walking like i
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: can walk yeah and so i was doing that but
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: then i was like doing some incline because i was
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: like i'm really gonna test myself here i probably shouldn't
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 1: have Start slow.
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't start as slow as I should have.
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This is one of the things that we've done,
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 1: these comedian workouts. I bring comics in, and we have
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: a gym next door. Okay. And the first thing I
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: tell them before we do it, I go, you are
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: not going to get exhausted. You're not going to get exhausted,
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: and I'm not going to push you. Right. What we're
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 1: going to do is we're just going to do a
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: series of movements that Very gradually build your body up
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: to the point where you can start doing more. Yeah.
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 1: And that's the way to do it. The way to
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: do it is not like kick your ass the first
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 1: day where you wake up and you're like, oh, fuck. Yeah.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 1: You're sore getting out of bed. Fuck all that. You
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: need to build up. Like if you try to do
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 1: what I do like for the first day, it would
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: be terrible for you. But you could do what I
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: do eventually and be just like me where I was
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 1: like I came here today. I feel fine. I feel great.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing. It's like you have to get
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: your body to a resilience point. You've got to build
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: it up. But I think you should build it up slowly. Yes.
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 1: And one of the best ways to do it is
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: to do cardio where you're watching a good movie because
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 1: you just get captivated by the movie. You're on a
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: fucking elliptical machine just watching a movie. That's why I
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: watch John Wick so many times. It started during Sober October. Right.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: I was just thinking about this fucking revenge movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 1: It just keeps you going. Or anything that captivates your
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 1: attention span takes your mind off of the fact that
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: you're breathing a little heavy. And you're not even breathing
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 1: really heavy. No, and even whenever I had the full
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: freak out, I was fine. And even after it was done,
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck were you freaking out about?
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: But then it just sticks in my head.
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: Like it always just, I don't know.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: Well, you have an interesting head. The way your mind works,
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: the way you're interested in all these different things, that
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: also could turn against you. Boy, does it. Yeah. It's
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: why I've slept with the TV on since I was
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: three years old. Have you really? Yeah. Does Dave sleep
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 1: with the TV on? Sleep with the TV on. Has to. Wow. Yeah.
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 1: I can't be alone with my thoughts ever, ever.
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 2: It's too much.
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, it's like... You never, like, meditate or
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: anything like that?
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 2: I've tried, and, like, I can do it. Like, I can,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: you know, not try to have zero thoughts, but just
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: let the thought come, let the thought go, you know,
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But I don't feel any
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: different afterwards. And I've done it for, like, months at
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: a time.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah, it just does nothing. I just.
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 2: No, I just try to like suffocate it. I just
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 2: try to suffocate the voices, you know, not voices, but
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 2: like the thoughts.
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: Just with distractions.
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's one of the interesting things about people.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 1: One of the things that I really love about doing
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: this podcast is I get to talk to so many
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 1: different kinds of people. And, you know, there's a lot
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: of narrow minded people that think that everybody should live
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: one way. Everybody should think one way and behave one.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 1: This is the right way. I don't think that's real.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: And I think there's a lot of different, very interesting,
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: creative people that their brains work different than everybody else's.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 1: And that's a great thing. And your burden is that
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: you can't be alone with your thoughts. But that's also
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 1: why you produce so much great content. Because you can't
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 1: be alone with your thoughts. So you're always engaging with stuff.
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: I have to be distracted. So why not distract myself
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 1: with that stuff? But it's also you're distracting yourself with
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 1: stuff that's I mean, it's really because of all these
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: facts and all this information that you've acquired and all
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 1: the stuff that you've put out there in the world,
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: you've like changed a lot of people's perspective on things.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: You've given people a lot of stuff to think about,
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 1: you know, and that's a great service. It really is. Yeah.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: I guess I never really think about it.
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 1: It's the opposite of Real Housewives, what you're doing. Well,
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far, but it provides a service
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 1: for me. But yeah, no, I.
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I never really think about it like that,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: that people really get anything out of it.
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, I get a lot out of your page.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm always sending you interesting information. I know.
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 2: Which is fun because some of it's stuff that I
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: have heard about, and I'm like, oh, I did a
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 2: video on that a long, long time ago. But a
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: lot of it is, and it's like, holy, I never knew.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: Which that's one of my favorite start to a sentence is,
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: did you know? Like when someone comes up to me
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: and says, hey, did you know, I'm immediately like, oh,
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 2: come on, come on. And there's times where like, oh,
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: I already knew it, but it's like, oh, well, that's cool.
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 1: That's cool. You knew it.
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: But whenever they follow that up with like something I
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: didn't know, oh man, that's like one of my favorite
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 2: feelings in the world.
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 1: Me too. Is learning something that I didn't know. Yeah.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 1: Especially something really wild and cool. Yes. Like, whoa.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: Especially if it's about somebody that is like, You're like, well,
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 2: how do people not know that side of that person?
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 1: And some of it's not even cool. Like the Henry
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 1: Ford shit. Like, I didn't know that. Well, yeah, yeah. Whoa. Yeah,
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 1: not cool like good. No, I know what I mean. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: But it's interesting to know that there's, you know, some
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 1: of our most celebrated people are monsters. We have like Gandhi,
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: Mother Teresa. Yeah.
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: You know, Henry Ford, Cesar Chavez. You know, I think
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 2: most of those people were complete scumbags. I mean, some
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: of them did some good stuff. I mean, I would
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: argue Mother Teresa never did anything good. But, I mean, Gandhi,
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 1: Was Mother Teresa that bad? Real bad. What was Mother
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: Teresa's deal?
• 2:21:07
  Speaker 2: So Mother Teresa had a, you know, she would like
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: heal the sick and all that BS. But she basically
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: just had a giant concrete storage room that she would
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 2: put sick people in and donate and give all the
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: money that was being donated to her to the Vatican.
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 2: Not use it to treat any of them.
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: Because she believed that like suffering brought you closer to God.
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: So she would just walk up and down the rows
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 2: of sick, dying people. Like, look how close to God
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: I am. She's a scum, a horrible person.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 1: Really? So she could have helped them with medication?
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think they were giving them, like, you know,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: very basic things. But, like, you know, they're sleeping on, like,
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: concrete floors. Like, meanwhile, she's getting millions donated. Like, Princess Diana,
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: you know, is giving all this money.
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 1: To Mother Teresa. And she's just this frail old, you know, nun.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 1: So you're a nun the wiser.
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, she's just, like, funneling it.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: Right up to the Vatican. And was she portraying her
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: role very differently than the reality of it?
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the reason why she became, you know, Mother Teresa, like,
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: to everybody. It's this, like, sort of patron saint of,
• 2:22:11
  Speaker 2: you know, which I don't know what she is, the
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: saint of, if anything. But, like, to most people, in
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: most people's eyes, like, that's a good person. Like, oh,
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: you're just, like, you know, Mother Teresa is synonymous, like,
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: how Einstein is with being smart. Mother Teresa is with, like,
• 2:22:24
  Speaker 2: caring and kindness and, Yeah, virtue.
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 1: And she was just sending all the money to the Vatican.
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the vast majority of the Vatican and just having
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: basically a torture chamber. People were just suffering constantly.
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 1: So you think you're going to go to Mother Teresa
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 1: and she's going to take care of you. Of course.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 1: And you just get locked in a basement. Yeah.
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you get locked in this giant concrete room with
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 2: basically no windows, no sunlight getting in. And people just
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: having whatever dysentery or whatever.
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 1: Disease they have. Just diarrhea all over your bed sheets
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 1: and just slowly slip away. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not good.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: It's like a frat house. The whole Vatican thing is
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 1: so strange. That's one of the places that when I
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 1: went to, I was a little weirded out. I was like,
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 1: you guys have so much money. A lot of money.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: There's billions of dollars in artwork there. You walk around,
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: you're like, this is kind of crazy. They have masterpieces
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 1: just kind of stacked all over the place. It's almost
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 1: like they're hoarders for good art.
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, art is an embezzlement scheme anyways, but most
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: of it is.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 1: You think? Yeah. You don't think Hunter Biden was getting
• 2:23:36
  Speaker 1: paid all that money because his art was amazing? What
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 1: are you trying to say? Well, I mean, who am
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: I to judge the talent level of an artist? It
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 1: is an interesting way to launder money, right? Yeah, and
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 1: they do it.
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no— Like what's to make a painting,
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: you know, like 70 million and then one from an
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: artist you've never heard of sells for like 35 million.
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 1: Especially modern art, which is like very easy to make.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck what anybody says. There's one
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: that sold. There's one that sold for, God, I want
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 1: to say it was like tens of millions of dollars.
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: It might have been like $ 60 million. But it's basically
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: like a red stripe of paint, a black stripe of paint,
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: and a red stripe of paint. And it's famous. And
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: so there was this Christie's or Sotheby's, one of those auctions,
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: one of those. And this thing got auctioned off for
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 1: this fucking preposterous amount of money. And you're like, what
• 2:24:31
  Speaker 1: is happening here? Like, is this a scheme? It's gotta be.
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 1: How does this represent such an insane amount of generational
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 1: wealth for just this stupid painting that you could make
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 1: In a couple of hours. Not even in a couple
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 1: of hours. An hour.
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you just don't get it.
• 2:24:49
  Speaker 1: I know. I'm stupid. I'm uncultured.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 2: It's amazing to me.
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 1: See if you can find that painting. It's really crazy.
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 1: When you see it, it's really crazy. You're like, okay,
• 2:25:00
  Speaker 1: this is, you're pissing, that's it. That's it? That's it.
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 1: How much is that one, Jamie?
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 3: I'm afraid to tell you, I think.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: That's amazing, though.
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know if this one was. This is actually
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: on the top of the article.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: That's really beautiful.
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 1: That's the one I'm talking about. Oh, my God. Does
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 1: that say $ 105 million? $ 110 million? No, no.
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: It's different ones.
• 2:25:19
  Speaker 1: Now it's the list.
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 3: Let me find that picture in the list.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, there was that Jackson Pollock.
• 2:25:23
  Speaker 1: That's it right there. $ 186 million. So Mark Rothko is
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 1: a pretty well-known artist. Look at that. That is $ 186 million.
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 2: Which is crazy because I think a lot of the
• 2:25:34
  Speaker 2: Rothko paintings are like that. And, yeah, he's like, oh, yeah,
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: I think there's the Jackson.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: Are those Pollux? 300 million. Look at this one. Yeah.
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 1: Isn't that? 300 million. Do you know about the whole
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 1: CIA connection with modern art? Do you know that?
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: With modern art?
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's the Jackson Pollux. Do you know that? Do
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 1: you know the PSYOP? No.
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 2: With modern art? Yeah.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 1: No. No. I'm so happy to tell you this.
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 1: So the CIA, during the time of Jackson Pollock, which
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 1: is while we were in the middle of the Cold War,
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 1: the CIA started this thing for modern art to pump
• 2:26:17
  Speaker 1: up American art because we didn't have any art that
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 1: compared with the classics from Russia. Right, right. So, yes,
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 1: there's a documented basis to CIA modern art PSYOP. This
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 1: is from Perplexity, our AI sponsor. The CIA secretly supported
• 2:26:33
  Speaker 1: the international promotion of American abstract expressionism during the Cold War.
• 2:26:38
  Speaker 1: So what actually happened? In the 1950s, the CIA funded
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 1: the Congress for Cultural Freedom, a Paris-based organization that sponsored activism.
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 1: magazines concerts conferences and exhibitions it presented itself as an
• 2:26:50
  Speaker 1: independent cultural organization why while covertly advancing an anti-soviet agenda
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 1: so American abstract Expressionalism the work of Jackson Pollock Rothkow
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 1: Willem de Kooning those guys that we just saw fit
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 1: the agenda its individuality Experimentation could be presented as evidence
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 1: of American intellectual freedom in contrast to the ideological constraints
• 2:27:17
  Speaker 1: associated with Soviet socialist realism. The paintings didn't need to
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 1: contain an explicit political message. Their freedom of form was
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 1: the message. So how the PSYOP worked, indirect funding, money
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 1: moved through cultural organizations and intermediaries rather than appearing as
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 1: overt CIA sponsorship. This is described as a long leash approach.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 1: International exposure, exhibitions held, established, American paintings, prestige abroad. Historians
• 2:27:46
  Speaker 1: have identified CIA backing behind the new American painting, which
• 2:27:50
  Speaker 1: toured Europe in 1958 to 1959. So all that art
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 1: that you look at and you go, this is fucking bullshit.
• 2:27:57
  Speaker 1: How did this become so famous and so valuable? Right.
• 2:28:00
  Speaker 1: Fucking CIA. That's so weird.
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, it does make perfect sense.
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 1: The same people who brought us MKUltra. Yeah. Like, they
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 1: engineered so many very weird and twisted aspects of our society.
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's all the connections, or what people think
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 2: of connections, you know, with, like, the music scene in
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: the 60s.
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Because, like, so many of them were there.
• 2:28:20
  Speaker 1: Strange times in Laurel Canyon. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, Morrison's dad, Morrison's dad being.
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 1: He's an intelligence agent. He was the Navy.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: Admiral during the Gulf of Tonkin.
• 2:28:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He was, like, responsible for the Gulf of Tonkin. Yeah.
• 2:28:34
  Speaker 2: And Jim Morrison used to always, like, in interviews, when
• 2:28:36
  Speaker 2: they asked about his parents, he would just say they
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: died in a car wreck.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was always his response. They died in a
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: car wreck. They hit a group of Indians.
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 1: That's what he said?
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 1: Is his dad still alive? Yeah, his parents are alive. Yeah,
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 1: alive and well.
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: They were in one documentary about the doors I watched. Like,
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 2: they finally interviewed his dad and asked him, like, what
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 2: he thought about jim morrison it was kind of weird
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: but it was like back in the maybe 80s or so.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 1: But yeah the thing is they were good they were
• 2:29:06
  Speaker 1: really good so the first yes oh yeah the question
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 1: is like can you really engineer that kind of creativity
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 1: and talent.
• 2:29:14
  Speaker 2: Well that's what i that's where i get kind of
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: skeptical about that side of it is that yeah like
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: or were there a lot of military kids in that
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: area because it's where there's you know there's a lot
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 2: of military they you know military base in that area
• 2:29:26
  Speaker 2: And are there just naturally going to be a lot
• 2:29:28
  Speaker 2: of kids? And kids tend to rebel against their parents. Well,
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: if my parents are involved with the military, you know,
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: screw the military. I'm going to make, I'm going to
• 2:29:35
  Speaker 2: get involved with the group that doesn't like the military.
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: And 90% of them go on to be, you know, teachers, lawyers, doctors,
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: whatever the hell.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: And then there's like 10% who just happen to be
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: good musicians. Like how much of that is like, yeah,
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: is the CIA just plucking kids of, you know, whatever.
• 2:29:53
  Speaker 1: Well, people tend to definitely create Like a picture that
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't exist. They tend to draw lines and connect dots.
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 1: We look for patterns that perhaps don't exist. But it's
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 1: because so many patterns do exist. Well, and your brain
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 1: is wired to look for patterns.
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 2: That's why you can convince somebody of fake memories. That's
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: why people will give whole explanations for an event that
• 2:30:18
  Speaker 2: never occurred. but it's because they know the beginning and end,
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: so they have to be able to connect that.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 2: Because you have to have the pattern. I mean, optical illusions,
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 2: like when you see an optical illusion, the reason why
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 2: it's an illusion is because your brain is trying in
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: there somewhere to establish a pattern.
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 1: What was that one that we looked at the other day, Jamie,
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 1: where they look like two different colors until you put
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 1: your fingers over the line in between them, and then
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 1: they all of a sudden become one color? It is
• 2:30:49
  Speaker 1: so weird. Oh, there's so many of those.
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some interesting ones with that or like where
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: you'll have like a Coca-Cola can that looks red in
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 2: the picture, but it's actually all black and white. It's
• 2:30:58
  Speaker 2: just because there's these tiny green lines.
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Okay. I remember seeing this one. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah.
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: Like that thing right there. Make that large, please. That thing. Yeah.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: They're both the same color. Yeah. And you don't realize
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 1: it until you take your fingers and cover the line.
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 1: And then you go, what in the fuck is that?
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 1: How is that possible?
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 2: It's because of a, what do they call it? Because
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 2: of a, Jesus.
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 1: What is it called again, Jamie? What's that? Corn sweet.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 3: It's called the corn sweet illusion.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's nuts. That one's nuts. Because you would swear
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 1: to God that the lower one is a lighter color
• 2:31:36
  Speaker 1: than the upper one until you block out that line
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 1: in the center. And you're just like.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's so many of those too. Like there's something,
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: they're just so, they're fascinating to me of like how
• 2:31:45
  Speaker 2: your brain can trick itself.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's just the whiteness of the top of
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 1: the bottom one. Yeah. That makes it seem like it's
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 1: a different color below it.
• 2:31:55
  Speaker 2: But that's because in patterns, that's how it would be.
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 2: Like in anywhere else in nature, something had that wide
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: of a top, then surely it must be a lighter color.
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 2: And the thing that's darker, like that dark would normally
• 2:32:05
  Speaker 2: be darker.
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 1: It's just weird that your brain fucks with you that much.
• 2:32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's trying its damnedest to, you know, get you
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 2: where it needs to be.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, it'll definitely.
• 2:32:14
  Speaker 1: And I think that applies to, like, connecting these dots. Oh, yeah. Like,
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 1: Jim Morrison's dad was an announcer. Yes. The CIA engineer,
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 1: the hippie movement. Right. Which I think there's some evidence
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 1: that they probably were involved in that as well. There's
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 1: definitely some evidence that they were involved in promoting hip-hop. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:32:30
  Speaker 2: Well, with the hippie movement, too, there is evidence that
• 2:32:33
  Speaker 2: they were, you know, helping to stage protests and, like,
• 2:32:38
  Speaker 2: organized protests.
• 2:32:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:32:40
  Speaker 2: Even like Gloria Steinem was working with the CIA at
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 2: one point to stage these things. So there's always been
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 2: that version of it, but then it's just whether or
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 2: not all of it is because of that.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 1: No. I don't think you can engineer Hendrix. No. Right?
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 1: Because I've heard that argument.
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 2: Hendrix wasn't even an anti-war person. Hendrix didn't give a damn.
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 1: He was in the war. He was in Vietnam. Well,
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 1: he had songs that were anti-war. No. It was not
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 1: a song called Machine Gun. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 2: But I mean, as far as like outwardly, so not
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 2: necessarily the music, but like outwardly speaking against the war,
• 2:33:18
  Speaker 2: he was not necessarily one of the like, you know.
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 1: He spoke out against it on stage. Against the war? Yeah.
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 2: I don't remember ever seeing him like actually speak out
• 2:33:27
  Speaker 2: like fully against the war.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 1: I thought he was. He's speaking out against the war
• 2:33:32
  Speaker 1: and against violence on stage in the live version of
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 1: Machine Gun.
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, maybe so.
• 2:33:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, no, I think, no, it was more like
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 1: in his day-to-day life.
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 2: Like he used to get really angry with people who
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 2: would like criticize the war if they like said certain,
• 2:33:45
  Speaker 2: or like were critical, not the war, but of like soldiers.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: I think he used to get like really upset about that.
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, Jimi Hendrix expressed anti-war views through his music, especially
• 2:33:55
  Speaker 1: Machine Gun, but his politics were more complicated than a
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 1: simple lifelong pacifist label. Accounts of his early career describe
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 1: him as supporting U.S. involvement in Vietnam and Before his
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 1: later music became closely associated with opposition to war. Well,
• 2:34:09
  Speaker 1: he was a young man. I mean, he died and
• 2:34:11
  Speaker 1: he's only 27. Machine Gun is the clearest example. Released
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 1: on Band of Gypsies in 1970, it portrays the brutality
• 2:34:18
  Speaker 1: of war through lyrics and guitar sounds resembling gunfire. Fucking
• 2:34:22
  Speaker 1: great song. Explosions and cries. Hendrix dedicated it to people
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 1: fighting in Vietnam and Berkeley and within themselves. Connecting the
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 1: battlefield violence with conflict at home. Fuck, that guy was good. Yeah.
• 2:34:35
  Speaker 2: But even that's not necessarily anti-war. Like, you know, depicting
• 2:34:38
  Speaker 2: war isn't necessarily being anti. I mean, now going on
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 2: stage and saying like, you know, anti-war things. But I
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 2: think he was more like, I know he got in
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 2: a fight with, was it like Pete Townsend or Mick Jagger?
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 2: It was somebody because they were criticizing like the troops
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: who were in Vietnam. And he was like, hey, hey, hey, like,
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 2: hold on. Like, I was a troop in Vietnam. Like, well,
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 2: they're not the problem.
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 1: It's the. Like, yeah, being against, like, the government. Yeah.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sure.
• 2:35:04
  Speaker 1: But, yeah.
• 2:35:06
  Speaker 2: But, like, Jim Morrison wasn't, like, anti-war.
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 1: He just liked to pull his dick out. Chuck Lorre
• 2:35:11
  Speaker 1: was here the other day. Yeah. And he told us
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: that he went to see Jim Morrison in concert. He
• 2:35:15
  Speaker 1: didn't even get through the first song. He tried to
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: pull his dick off. And they came on the stage
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 1: with horseback to remove him. A lot of horses.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was just such a.
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 4: This is not the same fight you said, but this
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 4: is an interesting fight between Jimi Hendrix.
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 1: And Pete Townsend. Backstage argument, not a documented fist fight.
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 1: Jimi Hendrix and Pete Townsend clash at the Monterey Pop Festival,
• 2:35:37
  Speaker 1: June 18, 1967, over who would perform first. Neither wanted
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 1: to follow the other's explosive stage act. Read the quote.
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 1: It was just Jimi on a chair playing at me,
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 1: playing at me like, don't fuck with me, you little shit.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 3: Just standing on a chair playing guitar at him.
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 1: That's what Townsend said Jimmy did. Attacking him by his plate.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 1: Not only that, imagine him playing in front of you going,
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not following that. That's when he set.
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 3: His guitar on fire.
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Townsend's... Oh, so it wasn't Townsend's guitar?
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 2: I've always heard that it was Townsend's guitar that he
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 2: was playing.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been.
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 3: They might have just left that fact out of this.
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, so they wanted to play first. So the Who
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to play first. Yeah, because they didn't want to
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 1: follow Hendrix. Yeah. Townsend smashed his guitar during their set,
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 1: and Hendrix later famously set his own guitar on fire. Yeah. Wow. Interesting.
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some interesting stories like that, too, like with
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 2: Jerry Lee Lewis, you know.
• 2:36:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 2: With Chuck Berry lighting his piano on fire.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: And said, following that motherfucker. Amazing. I mean, he almost
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 1: killed a couple people. May or may not have killed
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: a couple of his wives. May or may not have.
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 1: Seems like he probably might have. Tried to kill Elvis.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 1: Did he try to kill Elvis?
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he showed up drunk as hell at Graceland and
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 2: tried ramming his car through the gates and stepped out
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 2: waving a gun in the air saying, I'm here to, like,
• 2:37:03
  Speaker 2: let's see who's the, or he said, like, let's see
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 2: who's the real king now. It was trying to kill him.
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 2: And Elvis, meanwhile, is inside watching him through the security camera,
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 2: you know, going like, oh, you got to get down here,
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: you know. And cops show up and Jerry Lee Lewis
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 2: gets back in his car with the window still up,
• 2:37:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't realize the windows are up, grabs a liquor bottle
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 2: and throws it at the cops and just shatters in
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: his car.
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy was a loose fucking cannon. Yeah, I'd say. Yeah.
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 1: i mean well jimmy swagger it's cousin you're gonna be
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: that's right yeah did you write did you make a
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 1: video about that i don't think i made one about
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: them being cousins but i made one about him you
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 1: know being a lunatic yeah he was.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 2: A legit lunatic yeah absolute like psychopath which jimmy swagger
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 2: is a lunatic and their other cousin was a Like,
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 2: Mickey Gilley, I think, who's also a very famous country singer.
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:37:51
  Speaker 2: Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Lee Lewis.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting, like, the preacher connection to entertainment. Well,
• 2:37:57
  Speaker 1: it's the same. It's one and the same. Yes.
• 2:37:59
  Speaker 2: Especially that type of preacher, like a televangelist.
• 2:38:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, there they are. Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Lee Lewis.
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 1: Look at them. They're both like psychos. Let me see that.
• 2:38:09
  Speaker 1: Close in on that picture again. They both look like
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 1: complete psychos. If I was alone in a room with
• 2:38:15
  Speaker 1: these guys and they were drinking, especially Swagger, I'd be like,
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 1: I got to get the fuck out of here. Look
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 1: at his eyes. Yeah. He looks dangerous. Yes. He looks
• 2:38:23
  Speaker 1: like a fighter. Yeah. He looks dangerous.
• 2:38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Jerry Lee loses.
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 1: I have sinned. Remember that? I have sinned. He got
• 2:38:31
  Speaker 1: busted with hookers. Didn't he get busted a second time? Oh.
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 1: I've sinned. It was amazing. Didn't he get busted a
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 1: second time after that? I wanted to say he did,
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 1: but maybe not. You know, Kennison was a preacher too.
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 2: Which there's, that's a perfect crossover too.
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 2:38:47
  Speaker 2: Just that stage presence and.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously that's a different kind of stage presence.
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been to church. Churches, if someone's a
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 1: good preacher, they're entertaining. Yes. It's part of it.
• 2:38:57
  Speaker 2: Part of it is your charisma. Yeah, when I was
• 2:38:59
  Speaker 2: a kid, we went to this non-denominational church, and our
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: preacher was like, yeah, very captivating. Everybody loved him. He
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: was very friendly.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: And he was a good guy.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was no dark side to him as
• 2:39:07
  Speaker 2: far as I know. But there's definitely ones that have a.
• 2:39:10
  Speaker 1: Big old dark side. He was caught in a second
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 1: prostitution scandal in California in 1991. Oh, my goodness. I mean,
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 1: you like what you like. What was the first one?
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 1: What was the first one? 88 and then 91, three
• 2:39:20
  Speaker 1: years later, they had their eye on him. I've sinned
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 1: against you, my lord. Well, speaking of, what's his name?
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: Fun times. What's his name?
• 2:39:30
  Speaker 2: Just died to old Jim Baker.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 1: Did he? Yeah. Oh, that's right. Like a couple days ago. Oh,
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 1: that's right. And Timmy Faye died like a little while back,
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 1: but poor Jim. Rest in peace, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 1: And who was the gal? Timmy Faye. No, the other
• 2:39:44
  Speaker 1: gal that he had the affair with. Oh, oh, um. Oh, boy.
• 2:39:50
  Speaker 2: I always get the Clinton scandal.
• 2:39:52
  Speaker 1: She's very pretty.
• 2:39:53
  Speaker 2: That one mixed up, like, names-wise.
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 1: Jessica Hahn. Jessica Hahn. That's it. And Jessica Hahn went
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 1: on to become Sam Kinison's girlfriend. Oh, really? Yeah. I
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 1: didn't know that. That's interesting. And went on the Howard
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 1: Stern Show and talked shit about Sam Kinison. That's amazing.
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 2: God, that's a good one.
• 2:40:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, I did not know that. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah,
• 2:40:15
  Speaker 1: you should put a video. 100%. 100%. Yeah, I never
• 2:40:18
  Speaker 1: knew that one. Yeah, Jessica Hahn had a fling with
• 2:40:21
  Speaker 1: Sam Kinison. God. Can you imagine? Yeah, she is. She
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 1: was hot back in the Disney. See if there's a
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 1: photo of Jessica Hahn with Sam Kinison. Look at her. Dirty.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 1: My God. Dirty, hot, lots of makeup. That's how I
• 2:40:32
  Speaker 1: like them. Yeah, that's... Yeah. Oh, that's her. Sam Kinison
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 1: and Jessica Hahn. Oh, is that the Wild Thing video?
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 1: Remember when they did Wild Thing? Yeah, Wild Thing. That's her.
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's her. Yeah, that's her. Go back
• 2:40:46
  Speaker 1: to that last picture. She's hot as fuck. Super hot. Woo!
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 1: Jim Baker, let's go. Yeah, so Jim Baker. I mean,
• 2:40:54
  Speaker 1: my God. Killing it. How could you fucking be mad
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 1: at him?
• 2:41:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, who wouldn't be tempted by that?
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I have sinned.
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 1: I've sinned, my Lord. I mean, it could be worse.
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 1: It could be the Hugh Grant situation, you know, with
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 1: Devon Brown. That was a rough one. Like, he, you know,
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 1: Jim Baker went the opposite way. Yeah, he was driving
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 1: around getting street hookers.
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 1: That's what you want.
• 2:41:19
  Speaker 2: You want somebody to cheat somebody with a.
• 2:41:21
  Speaker 1: Hot. Hot. Because then it's like... Yeah, hot, big eyes.
• 2:41:26
  Speaker 1: There he is. Boy, what a good actor.
• 2:41:30
  Speaker 2: They all kind of are.
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 1: For me, he will be that photo with him and
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 1: Jerry Lewis forever. Yeah. The young man. You look in
• 2:41:35
  Speaker 1: that young man's eyes. Yeah. The darkness. Do you ever
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 1: watch Great Balls of Fire? Yeah.
• 2:41:39
  Speaker 2: Dennis Quaid.
• 2:41:40
  Speaker 1: It's an Alan Baldwin, isn't it? It plays Jimmy Swagger.
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. Yeah, and Dennis Quaid is Jerry Lewis.
• 2:41:47
  Speaker 1: Dennis Quaid was awesome as Jerry Lewis.
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 2: Jerry Lee Lewis.
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's great.
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 2: Here's him breaking away.
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look at that. Yeah, there they are.
• 2:41:56
  Speaker 2: Wow. It's actually like perfect casting.
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:41:59
  Speaker 2: Like Alec Baldwin is a good, a pretty convincing Jimmy Swagger.
• 2:42:05
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen that movie in a long time. Yeah,
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 1: me either.
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 2: There's Winona Ryder too, I think, isn't it?
• 2:42:09
  Speaker 1: That played the.
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 2: Cousin that he married.
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 1: She's the one that went crazy and started stealing things.
• 2:42:15
  Speaker 1: That was odd. I think people just like the pressure
• 2:42:18
  Speaker 1: of that kind of fame and that life. Oh, God.
• 2:42:22
  Speaker 1: For a lot of people, it's just too much. They
• 2:42:23
  Speaker 1: just go crazy. Oh, they're all nuts.
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, James Brown was a lunatic.
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, James Brown was amazing. He tried to kill Joe
• 2:42:29
  Speaker 1: Tex at a restaurant. I mean, at a club. He
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  Speaker 1: got in a shootout with the cops and a high-speed
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  Speaker 1: chase because someone was using his bathroom. Someone's taking a
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  Speaker 1: shit in his personal bathroom. Which is actually understandable. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was like across four states, wasn't it? Or something
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  Speaker 1: like that. They shot his tires out. Kept driving.
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  Speaker 2: One of my favorite videos ever is that news interview.
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  Speaker 1: CNN? Oh, my God. It's like, we don't need to
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  Speaker 1: ask him. You're out on bail. I'm out of love. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he just keeps like reciting his song lyrics.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I feel good. Shooting erupts over James Brown's height.
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  Speaker 1: His height. Nobody just. Police in Atmore say a man
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  Speaker 1: shot his friend when the two of them argued over
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  Speaker 1: James Brown's height. Oh, was it James Brown? I thought
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  Speaker 1: it was too. Some other people. That's hilarious. The guy died.
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  Speaker 1: He got shot and killed. He was 73 years old.
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  Speaker 1: He got killed over an argument. It was unclear exactly
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  Speaker 1: how tall he was.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Cody. Listen, man. Thank you very much for
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 1: being here. Oh, absolutely. Always fun to talk to you.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me again. My pleasure. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I love your page. Your book is Where Did That
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  Speaker 1: Come From? The Hidden History of Everyday Words and Phrases.
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  Speaker 1: Cody Tucker. Is there an audio version of this? No,
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  Speaker 1: not yet, but I am working on one.
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  Speaker 2: I got the person who did the graphics, which I've
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  Speaker 2: got to give a shout out, Carly.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing job with making it look. Like an old school book.
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  Speaker 1: It does.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, her husband's a comic, KP Burke, a great dude.
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  Speaker 2: He does a lot of this kind of stuff, like
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  Speaker 2: the long form history stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so he's going to read it? No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, hey, he just does that. He's
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 2: a very interesting guy you should check out at some point.
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  Speaker 2: Does really cool history, like long form videos.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, what is his channel? What is it called? I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the channel. What's his name? KP Burke.
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  Speaker 2: He does stuff with the SDR, like Ralph Sutton and.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Ellis and all those guys. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, good dude.
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  Speaker 2: But his wife set everything up, and she's going to do, like,
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  Speaker 2: the audio book and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, dope. But are you going to read it? No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to read it. Okay, good. Beautiful. You got
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  Speaker 1: to read it. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, that would be very disappointing.
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  Speaker 2: If you— No, I'm definitely going to read it.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Beautiful. Well, thanks for being here, brother. Thanks, man.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye, everybody.