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iPods - Thousands of Songs in Your Pocket · Dirt Nap City - History's Most Interesting Dead People

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_01: Hey there, Kelly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hey there, Alex.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_02: How you doing?
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm doing great.
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  SPEAKER_02: That was a very uh Midwestern kind of thing.
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  SPEAKER_02: Was it?
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  SPEAKER_02: Was it there?
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm happy to see you today.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know we see each other every Thursday morning at 7 a.m., but um particularly happy to see you today.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's always Thursday in Dirt Knap City, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to do a dead end?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love dead ends.
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  SPEAKER_02: They're they're well, I I love the stories about interesting dead people, but I also love dead ends.
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  SPEAKER_01: We talk about a lot of obsolete things.
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  SPEAKER_01: Things that used to be a thing, and now they're not so much a thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I got a good one today.
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  SPEAKER_02: Some of them are very heartwarming and nostalgic, and some of them were just like, whoa, why did we ever even do that?
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I got one that's more local um recent and nostalgic.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Something uh uh new tech, old tech, I guess you could say.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_02: Old tech new tech that uh that bit the dust quickly.
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  SPEAKER_01: 21st century tech that no longer exists.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh is it is it Twitter?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, it's um I want to talk about iPods.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you know, I've thought about that one before.
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  SPEAKER_02: And gosh, that was such a big deal when they came out, and now they don't really exist because everybody has it all on their phone.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it all kind of kind of just turned into the phone, really.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: When if you look at the later the later model uh iPods, the iPod chat.
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  SPEAKER_01: They kind of had everything except a phone in them, and then they just kind of morphed into the phones.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: But um, if you remember what the way that people consumed music at the end of the 20th century, it was falling apart.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: CDs were kind of out of favor, and then people were starting to use these MP3 players, but MP3 players weren't great.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man, I I had several, I had several different ones.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: I was looking for the perfect MP3 player, and you're right, the user interface, the user experience, like how you navigated between songs.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the just yeah, it was like they figured out the technology, but they didn't ever figure out the fit and finish.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they figured that there was a demand for it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it was one of the rare Apple products where there was actually a demand that they met.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, maybe they created that by creating the MP3 after all, but the thing that people these days um maybe not have, maybe don't remember, or if they weren't around back then, is music was pretty much free for like a five-year period there.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: Right, with Napster and Audio Galaxy and uh what was it, like something mule?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um I used uh Kazah, remember that?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: Kazaw?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: I remember Kaza.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: LimeWire, remember LimeWire?
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: LimeWire, yes, yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you would just go and um well, prior to that, you would go and like when we were kids, you'd go into a record store, you'd buy a record for you know 10 bucks, 12 bucks, or you'd get 12 records for one buck.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
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  SPEAKER_01: See the Columbia House uh episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: But uh but then all of a sudden when digital formats came in, people were just sharing that stuff.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: So music was kind of free.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now you were uh risking I I I don't know how much anybody was ever really risking, but the super users were certainly uh being told that they were gonna be made of examples of, and there was always this sense that you were doing something a little bit wrong.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um but you would go find those music files and you'd get them for free.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_02: Our our uh episode that we ended 2024, our third season with was Charles Dickens, and he was one of the first people.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mentioned this in the episode, he was one of the first people to experience copyright issues.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, sure, sure.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: The whole the whole word copyright comes from the idea of you know, copy like you've written something, and then people are taking that away, and you have the rights to it.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, it's interesting that that's been a problem for you know since the 1800s.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it really came to fruition with MP3 files.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you know when the first iPod came out?
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm gonna guess it was 2002.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: You're close.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: It was November 10th, 2001.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if you round up, yeah.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just a couple months after 9-11.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was a long time ago.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and uh do you know when the last they don't make them anymore, by the way.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: The when the last iPod was uh when the iPod was discontinued?
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um I'll just take a wild guess and say 2018.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: A lot later than that, 2022.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: You were actually doing Dirt Knap City when the iPod, you could still go out and buy an iPod.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: You you could download it and listen to it on your iPod, which would have been really cool.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: Which is where the word podcast comes from, which we'll get into in a minute.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you know, prior to that, MP3 players were either big and clunky or kind of small and useless, right?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: They either were really they contained a lot of music, but they were you couldn't really, they weren't really portable, or they were portable, but you could only put a few few songs on it, and like you mentioned, just the interface and trying to get them off your computer was just kind of a mess.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_02: I I want to say the first um MP3 player I had was like uh it was it was someplace, you know, some Chinese or Japanese um thing.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't a brand name I had heard of, but I think it had 64 megabytes in it, and a typical MP3 file was like I don't know, three megabytes, so it would hold about uh what would that be, 20, 21 songs or so?
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: Which is like double what a C D would hold.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: So you probably thought you were getting something great, right?
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_02: Well, what I liked about it was um I did have a mini disc player, uh like a portable mini-disc player, if you remember those.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I had a you know a disc man, um, but those would skip.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_02: If you tried to run with them or you tried to do anything, ride a bike with them, they would skip.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I liked that the MP3 player was solid state, um, even with its 64 megabytes, not 64 gigs, 64 megabytes of memory.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we've gone over some of this when we talked about the Walkman on a previous episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there was this guy named Tony Fidel.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever heard that name?
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  SPEAKER_01: Tony?
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he is the father of the iPod.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he uh worked in tech and he's actually like our age.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's like 55 years old.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and he was recruited by Steve Jobs to invent his his charge was to invent a better MP3 player and build a music store to go with it.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: So uh to the idea when I first heard that these were they were coming out with these things, I thought, well, how are they gonna convince people to pay for music when everybody's getting it for free?
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I think that was to me, that was the biggest triumph.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the design was cool and the portability was cool and the memory was cool, but just having the iTunes store uh and getting convincing people to pay for music when they weren't paying for the last five to ten years was pretty revolutionary in my opinion.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think what they did is they made it really easy.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: They made it really easy to buy a song, buy an album, um, because file sharing was not super easy.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like setting up LimeWire or Napster or Audio Galaxy or um Kazah, you had to do you had to know a little bit about computers to do that.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_01: Not not a whole lot, but and then like the song name was usually wrong.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the metadata or it was a really low quality thing, you know.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: I mean that and with those files with MP3 files, you could have a file name that said the right thing, but then the metadata was wrong.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: So when you played it on your MP3 player, the little display would have the wrong song, which drove me crazy.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um except for you were stealing it, so you couldn't complain, right?
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: You could complain, but but yeah, that's what that is what I think uh Apple did is they made everything really clean, it all worked.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_02: You you felt like you were maybe paying the artist, and the cost was significantly cheaper than buying a CD.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: So to buy a an album on the app the the iTunes store was probably like seven bucks.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: It was uh no, it was$9.99 for every but the the cool part was, and I don't um I think they got away from this after a while, but every song was the same price, and every album was the same price.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think that compared to like when we were growing up in record stores, it was not that way.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right, you know, you would have variable pricing.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: But I think when i iTunes first came out, songs were a dollar twenty-nine.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well you could remember you could take your CDs and you could put them on there for free.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
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  SPEAKER_02: Make make them into MP3s that you're using to play or iPods could play.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: But then if you wanted to buy music, it was 99, I mean$1.29 and then$9.99 for the album, and then after a few months, that changed to 99 cents.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: And Apple was not making money off of the music, but what they were doing was was selling a lot of iPods by making these songs 99 cents, right?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: So then everyone could kind of make a best of all the favorite songs.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: You think 99 cents that's seems pretty cheap.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's a seems a psychologically a lot cheaper than$1.29.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: I could do the math and find figure out how much 10 songs is gonna do uh cost me.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: $1.29.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: Now we're getting into you know complicated, more complicated math.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so the other thing uh uh besides the price and and uh the uh the availability of music was the design.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, yeah, the little wheel, the little little tactile wheel that kind of clicked when you turned it.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: He actually got the inspiration.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: This Tony Fidel has he got the inspiration from uh transistor radio, like a 1958 transistor radio by built by Braun.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, um, and then he got the wheel idea.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: There was like a um uh uh uh telephone that remember dial telephones, but there was one uh by uh Bang Olofson that was kind of cool looking.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: So he thought if I could put that wheel, so it was kind of old, even though it was supposed to be you know new the state of the art, you borrowed from kind of two old technologies, the transistor radio and the the rotary telephone.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of how we got the design of it.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: But it was cool looking, right?
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: And it had a really nice tactile feel, like when you would put your thumb or finger on that little wheel and move it, it it you weren't actually moving anything, it was all through electrostatic or electromagnetic from your fingertip.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: I think on the I think on the first generation it you were actually moving something, and then by the second generation, it was a touch, a touch, but it was still just the little wheel, and then the iPod touch came out, and that was like with with like you said, like an iPhone without cell service.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_01: Now, do you remember uh do you remember the movie 2001 Space Odyssey?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Now in that movie there was a famous line that uh remember the robot um Hal.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: Hal, right.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_01: Hal Hal 2000.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: So what they would tell Hal, they'd say, open the pod bay doors, Hal.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: And he'd say, I'm afraid they can't do that.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: The pods were like the little lifeboats for the spaceships, right?
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so the idea that they had on the iPod was that just like the space pod is an extension of the big spaceship, that the iPod would be an extension of your Mac.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like it would be the Mac would be like the big spaceship, and then you would just take this pod out, and it would still be kind of part of your computer, but you would be able to carry around with you.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: That's where I don't know if they ever really communicated that very well, but the word the word pod implies that though.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: Sure, that's that's how they that's how they wanted to get that across.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: Marketing genius.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, seriously.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh now the name was already taken.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, there was a New Jersey company that had built internet kiosks, like you could like uh internet cafe kind of thing where you could go.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: But they discontinued that by 2001, so nobody was really using it.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't drop a quarter in the side of it uh every 15 minutes to keep using it.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: But then they got around that trademark uh and they were able to use it in less than a year from when Tony Fidel was told to invent a better MP3 player and build a music store, they developed the iPod first generation, and it was five gigabytes and it could hold a thousand songs.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well now that you were talking about how yours hold held 20 or 30 CDs, held like 10.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: Even my step forward, even my CD player that has a hundred CDs that's 15 feet from me.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that probably didn't hold a thousand songs.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: This was a big deal.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_01: A thousand songs.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: I remember the first time I told my father about the iPod, he's like, I don't even know a thousand songs.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: He probably did, he probably did.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's amazing how many songs that we actually know, but a thousand songs you think like, oh, that's gonna take me a long time to uh to put on there.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um by the third generation, it was 40 gigs.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, yeah, you know, it's eight times bigger than the first generation, and that's when they started coming out with like the dot connector.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: So then it made it a lot easier to connect to your computer.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh now in 2001, they had the iPod photo that had supported like JPEG files and it had uh 40 games on it.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: You could hook it up to your TV and show slideshows and stuff.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: That was 2004.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the technology was increasing very fast.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: By 2005, they had the video iPod that had 80 gigs.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's four years from the the five gigs with a thousand songs to eighty gigs with more than TV shows.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Almost 20 times as much.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: Which, you know, that's then then you're talking about the rise of like you know, portable TV shows and being able to watch shows and kind of TV as we know it today, uh without the streaming.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: But um iPod Mini.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: You remember the iPod mini?
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, IPO.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: It was only it was only a couple of years, like 2004, 2005.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: I might even still have one sitting around here somewhere.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_02: It it had a little clip on it, and it was it was uh tiny and it had a little clip, and you could clip it to your shirt, or you could clip it, and it had a little headphone jack with a quarter inch and the little earbuds.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: Now there was an even smaller one than that.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: Was it the nano?
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's what I'm talking about.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about the nano.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the mini, the mini was like was like half the size, but still as tall.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: But the still had a it still had like a interface.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_02: The nano, the nano did not really have an interface.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: It just had like a you know, you just pressed play, you could go forward and backwards.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I was also remember it was kind of a weird way that you charged it because it didn't have a replaceable battery, so you had to use some proprietary charging cable.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Apple's good at that.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and the iPod shuffle came out, which was also small.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: You could you could exercise with that, and that just literally just had like a play button, and then you just the next song came on.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't know, you couldn't tell it was.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it was like the size of a quarter, basically.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, maybe that's the one I'm thinking of.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it just randomly played all the songs in your thing.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that lasted a while.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: That was from 2005 to 2017.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_02: And you remember it led to that big uh dance craze, the doing the iPod shuffle.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's not a real thing.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh sounds like a real thing though, doesn't it?
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: It does.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh iPod Touch came out in 2007, and that was kind of the very early stages of the iPhone.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um that was out until 2019.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: The iPhone came out in 2007.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: So maybe they came out in tandem.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: They looked identical.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: They did.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: And I remember actually when my kids were in elementary school, we did not get them a phone, but we got them an iPod touch.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: And so they had their music, they could, you know, on they could get on Wi-Fi and stream stuff.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: Although I think that's a very common thing for for people to do with with uh smaller kids, or um, or sometimes they'll give them their old phones and then like turn off.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Just disable the cellular service, yeah.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, the iPod Touch had 256 gigabytes in uh that was 2007.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they never got bigger than that.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_01: That was the always the biggest was 256 gigs.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the last one was the last iPod that was sold was the iPod Touch seventh generation, and it even had FaceTime on it.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: So if you were on Wi-Fi, you could FaceTime.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it had a camera.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: It just looked like an iPhone.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then the last model even had Bluetooth on it.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember the 30-pin connector that the iPod uh oh yeah.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I have a couple of those cables for sure.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: They're kind of useless now, probably.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you know, every so often, every so often I'll have I well, I guess not not recently, but yes, I keep thinking at some point I'm gonna come across an old iPhone and want to be able to charge it.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: And yeah.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, do you do you ever go into a hotel, like a nice hotel back then, and they would have like a stereo set up with the alarm clock with the built-in uh the big connector 30-pin connector?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then and then they changed it, and they're everybody's like, ah.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hotels are always a little bit behind, so you would have that now, and then there's nothing to put in it, right?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_01: So uh Apple even sold one of those called the iPod Hi-Fi in 2006.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: You plugged it in and it was your speakers and and uh all that stuff, yeah, yeah.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um well they sold they sold 450 million iPods in in a 20 years uh span.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: Probably the best legacy for the iPod is what we're doing now podcasting.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's where the word pod comes from in podcasting.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, there's currently 3.5 million podcasts out there.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: The term podcasting was coined in 2004 by Adam Curry, former MTV uh VJ.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh who was kind of he's he's kind of known as the the uh podfather, uh one of the earliest uh guys, I think he actually coined that term uh podcasting, but the idea that you could listen to more than just music with these things.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: But it's really cool to me how it kind of then just kind of generally morphed into the phones that we have now, and then eventually there was no need for a music player anymore because we have that all on our phones.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: So the kind of technology I always like is those bridge technologies that only last 10 to 20 years, but are really important.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: Point A to point B.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the iPod will always live on as kind of that seminal bridge connector between you know CDs and crappy MP3 players, and then the iPhone that we or just smartphones that we know now.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for taking a walk down memory lane with me about uh iPods.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, man, pod on.