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STILL MISSING: DULCE ALAVEZ, 5, SNATCHED FROM PLAYGROUND · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A distraught mother says, who snatched my girl? Just five
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Speaker 2: from the playground? Where is Dulce? Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Five year old Dulce Maria Alparez mysteriously vanishes from a
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Speaker 3: playground and bridged in New Jersey while mommy is only
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Speaker 3: yards away. Dulce's family pleads with the public to help.
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Speaker 2: Joining us tonight is Dulce's mother begging for help? How
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Speaker 2: does a little girl get snatched from the playground basically
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Speaker 2: under mommy's nose? This is not the first time a
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Speaker 2: child has been snatched from a playground? Can witnesses be believed?
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Speaker 2: Where is Dulce? Everyone? I want to give you right
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Speaker 2: off the top, a tip line, a toll free tip line,
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Speaker 2: and a search for Dulce one eight hundred two two
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Speaker 2: five five three two four. There is a fifty two
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Speaker 2: thousand dollar reward for information leading to the discovery of
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Speaker 2: what happened to this five year old beautiful little girl.
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Speaker 2: Repeat eight hundred two two five five three two four.
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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we know regarding Dulce's disappearance, including Dulce's mother. But
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Speaker 2: first I'm going to go to a special guest joining
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Speaker 2: us who has been on the case since the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Many people say the story, but this is not a story.
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Speaker 2: This is a real family suffering real pain without their daughter.
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Speaker 2: To all of you moms and dads, grandparents out there,
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Speaker 2: a five year old little girl snatched from a public playground.
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Speaker 2: Straight out to Cloria Vargas, investigative reporter in let me
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Speaker 2: see Philly, who is the star of a documentary. Somebody
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Speaker 2: knows something the disappearance of Dulce, and it's streaming on Peacock. Claudia,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Tell me what you
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Speaker 2: understand happened the day that Dulce goes missing.
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Speaker 4: Right, Well, Dulce had just gotten out of school that
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Speaker 4: day and her and her little brother were asking mom,
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Speaker 4: you know, they wanted to go to the playground like
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Speaker 4: any little kid, And so that afternoon they headed off
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Speaker 4: to their local playground.
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Speaker 5: Mom was sitting in the car and they went with technically,
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Speaker 5: it's Dulsa's aunt, it's noema, who's the mom. Her little sister,
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Speaker 5: who was actually closer in age to dulcet So Camilla,
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Speaker 5: who is Dulsa's aunt, was doing her homework in the car.
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Speaker 5: Mom was sitting there as well, playing a lottery scratch
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Speaker 5: off while the kids were kind of in her line
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Speaker 5: of view, but you know, the playground is a little
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Speaker 5: further out.
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Speaker 1: They're playing.
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Speaker 5: All of a sudden, Mom looks up, doesn't see them,
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Speaker 5: so she goes to check on them and finds Dulsa's
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Speaker 5: little brother, three year old Manuel, crying and dul says,
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Speaker 5: nowhere to be found. So immediately Mom starts looking around.
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Speaker 5: She's thinking, dul says, playing hide and seek. After about
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Speaker 5: forty minutes, realizes I can't find my daughter. So that's
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Speaker 5: when she places the nine to one one call.
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Speaker 1: Guys joining me.
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Speaker 2: In addition to Claudia Vargus, is Dulcey's mother, Dulce Maria
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Speaker 2: no Maya Olavez nameya, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: This is Dulcey's mother, Noema. So many times since Dulce
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Speaker 2: went missing, you have been attacked. You have been attacked
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Speaker 2: because you were sitting in the car helping with homework.
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Speaker 2: And you know what, I've done it myself, I who
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Speaker 2: have literally written a book including child safety at playgrounds.
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Speaker 2: I had to bring one of my twins back to
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Speaker 2: the car. She wanted bottled water. Then that was in
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Speaker 2: the cooler. My daughter was red in the face and flushed,
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Speaker 2: so we go back to the car. It was about,
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Speaker 2: oh gosh, thirty forty yards from my son.
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Speaker 1: I could see him.
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Speaker 2: I could see him going up the slide and coming down,
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Speaker 2: and I opened up the trunk of the car. I
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Speaker 2: couldn't see him at that time. I got out of
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Speaker 2: the water, I gave it to my daughter, I shut
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Speaker 2: the trunk, I got something out side of the car,
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Speaker 2: and we walked back to where my son was. I've
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Speaker 2: done it more than once because I believed I could
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Speaker 2: see him. You were not that far away from Dulce.
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Speaker 2: Your attention, true was diverted, but you were not that
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Speaker 2: far away from Dulce. You could see her and her
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Speaker 2: little brother. Manny no way, But tell me what happened
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Speaker 2: the day your five year old daughter vanished.
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Speaker 6: It was a Monday, September sixteen. I remember that I
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Speaker 6: wasn't working at that time. My mom wasn't working either.
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Speaker 6: She had her day off and the kids were getting
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Speaker 6: ready to go to school. So I want to go
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Speaker 6: get coffee and donuts, fugging donuts, And while gul said
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Speaker 6: was getting ready, she already knew that I was going
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Speaker 6: to get donuts. And I went and I was coming,
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Speaker 6: I was coming back and I was I was about
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Speaker 6: I ran over someone and I was getting delayed. So
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Speaker 6: as soon as I got home, Hu said was already
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Speaker 6: on the bus and my mom had told me that
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Speaker 6: she was crying because she didn't want to get on
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Speaker 6: the bus and my mom told her she has to
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Speaker 6: go in the bus.
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Speaker 7: She has to go to school.
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Speaker 6: My mom said that she returned back before she went
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Speaker 6: inside the US.
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Speaker 7: She came in, went and talked my mom and then
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Speaker 7: she left.
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Speaker 6: After that, we went to mynu's appointment and we had
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Speaker 6: went out to eat. After that, we had came home.
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Speaker 6: It was already time for the kids to come home.
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Speaker 6: So I had went to Luisa's post up with her
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Speaker 6: dusing Kamila get off and I went and got them off.
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Speaker 6: We got home and Dulca tells me they want to go.
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Speaker 6: They wanted to go play. Then I told them okay,
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Speaker 6: but it was hot that day, and then I just
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Speaker 6: didn't want her to go no more, and I told
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Speaker 6: her we're not going to go no more and then
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Speaker 6: I still remember that she started crying. She started jumping
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Speaker 6: up and down. Then she said, I want to go.
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Speaker 6: She said, I want to go to the park. You
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Speaker 6: said we were going, and now you're saying no, and
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Speaker 6: as I because I told her that we were going
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Speaker 6: to go, but we.
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Speaker 7: Then I was telling her that we weren't going to
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Speaker 7: go on more.
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Speaker 6: But then at the end we did win and we
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Speaker 6: were going to the park again, like it was hot.
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Speaker 6: I asked them if they wanted ice cream, and they
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Speaker 6: said yes. We stopped and ice cream shop, but as
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Speaker 6: soon as I noticed that ice cream shop was close,
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Speaker 6: and so we went to a nearby gas station and
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Speaker 6: that's where the kids were getting their ice cream and
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Speaker 6: they got their ice cream and I got a lot
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Speaker 6: of lottery ticket.
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Speaker 7: After there, we went to the park.
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Speaker 6: As soon as we got down, we got in the park,
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Speaker 6: Luisa started opening her ice cream manual two and they
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Speaker 6: were so excited that they were already they wanted to
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Speaker 6: get down from the park. I told him to wait,
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Speaker 6: but they were already they were excited. I'm like, okay,
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Speaker 6: you guys can go. And my Cameilla. At that time,
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Speaker 6: she was doing bad at school and I had a
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Speaker 6: helper with her homework so she could get better, and
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Speaker 6: I told her to stay in the car and until
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Speaker 6: she finishes homework, and I stayed with her inside the
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Speaker 6: car and I led my two kids, Manuo and Blusa
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Speaker 6: Maria go play in the playground. But I could see
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Speaker 6: the playground where was I parked at, But the only
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Speaker 6: thing I couldn't see was the swings.
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Speaker 7: And my mom.
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Speaker 6: I thought they needed my help to get in the
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Speaker 6: swings in order for me to push them.
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Speaker 7: So they were in the slide and I was scratching
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Speaker 7: a lot of ticket.
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Speaker 6: I put my head down and I saw last thing
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Speaker 6: I saw was Lousemanuo going down for the slide. And
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Speaker 6: when I was in the lottery ticket, then I had
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Speaker 6: received a message and just a few minutes I really
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Speaker 6: don't remember how many minutes were they When I looked
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Speaker 6: my head up, I didn't sell them no more. I
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Speaker 6: didn't tell them Lusa or Manum. That's when I had
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Speaker 6: told Amilive she could go track, and she did. She went,
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Speaker 6: but she only came with Manu and I told her
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Speaker 6: worst loosen and she told me she couldn't find her.
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Speaker 6: So I got down and went checked on myself and
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Speaker 6: there was no one at the park except some girls
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Speaker 6: in the basketball court, and I was looking for her,
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Speaker 6: screaming her name, and it was weird to me at first,
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Speaker 6: like why is she coming out? She never does this. Then,
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Speaker 6: at first, the first thing I came to mom like
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Speaker 6: she's probably playing hide and seek. She just wanted to play.
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Speaker 6: So I started looking for her everywhere and I couldn't
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Speaker 6: find her player, So I went behind some shots that
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Speaker 6: they were there. As soon as I went back there,
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Speaker 6: I didn't seen nothing, and I seen a trash can, like,
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Speaker 6: probably she's inside the trash can hiding.
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Speaker 7: As soon I.
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Speaker 6: Was already back at the buildings, I was already mad,
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Speaker 6: like she's already playing too hard that I didn't want
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Speaker 6: to think the worst at that time. I just wanted
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Speaker 6: to think that she was around and that she was
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Speaker 6: paying minutes past. But I went around the park two
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Speaker 6: times and I couldn't find her. And that's when I
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Speaker 6: had called the police, and I was on the phone
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Speaker 6: with them until they got there. And they got there,
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Speaker 6: they closed the park, a lot of ambulance, firefighters came, police.
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Speaker 7: Everyone started going inside the woods.
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Speaker 6: They started searching, like over two weeks in the park.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Guys.
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Speaker 2: Joining us is Dulsein, Maria's mother describing what happened when
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Speaker 2: her little five year old girl is kidnapped. Snatched from
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Speaker 2: a park. Many detectives called it an old school kidnapping.
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Speaker 2: Listen to our friend, doctor Phil.
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Speaker 6: I'll just walked towards the park and I found myself crying,
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Speaker 6: just standing there.
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Speaker 7: I thought that she was playing hide and seek.
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Speaker 6: I didn't want to believe that somebody took her.
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Speaker 7: You just pointed behind some building.
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Speaker 6: I looked behind these buildings and.
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Speaker 7: I couldn't find her.
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Speaker 6: I came down the path looking for her, you knowing
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Speaker 6: her name, and she wasn't an answering.
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Speaker 2: The ice cream video is of Dulce Maria going into
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Speaker 2: a little store the day she disappears. The day she disappears,
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Speaker 2: Brenda Trinidad joining us, a very close family friend and advocate. Brenda,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us and helping Naima through this.
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Speaker 2: That's how quickly everything happened. The ice cream hadn't even
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Speaker 2: melted yet. They get the ice cream at the little store,
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Speaker 2: they go to the playground. Mom is in the car
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Speaker 2: helping with homework. She sees Manny crying and goes out there.
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Speaker 2: She thinks he dropped his ice cream. The ice cream
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Speaker 2: hadn't even melted yet, Brenda, that's how quickly everything occurred.
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Speaker 7: Yes, I agree with you, Nancy on that.
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Speaker 8: Strangely, it seems like maybe the abductor was already lurking
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Speaker 8: in the park, because you can't be a rookie and
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Speaker 8: just take a child from apart that you necessarily don't
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Speaker 8: know the ends or the outside the park. That is
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Speaker 8: a real complicated part to come in and a real
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Speaker 8: complicated part to get out, and your chances of getting
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Speaker 8: caught with a child in the car are very extremely
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Speaker 8: high someone who doesn't know how to case area.
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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, Brenda, trendid Dad. I write about
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Speaker 2: that in my book, Don't be a victim. When you're
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Speaker 2: taking your children to playgrounds or parks, Exactly what Noeima
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Speaker 2: did is what you should do. I don't mean sitting
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Speaker 2: in the car park. I mean taking a child to
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Speaker 2: a park where there is very limited in and out.
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Speaker 2: In other words, go to a playground or a park
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Speaker 2: that has a fence around it, and then you position
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Speaker 2: yourself either with your child or at that opening where
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Speaker 2: someone would have to go in and out, not an
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Speaker 2: open playground where there's a three hundred and sixty degree
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Speaker 2: entry and exit access. Now, what do you mean, Brenda
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Speaker 2: when you say this is a very difficult park for
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Speaker 2: an abduct or a kidnapped a kid after to get
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Speaker 2: in and out.
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Speaker 8: Well, Nancy, you have many ways to get inside the park,
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Speaker 8: and then two of the entrance ways are located besides
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Speaker 8: two schools, So you have two schools that are right
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Speaker 8: in front of where the park where she went missing.
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Speaker 8: So you have Cherry Elementary schools at West Avenue High
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Speaker 8: School I'm sorry, West Avenue School, and then you have
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Speaker 8: Bristian High School, which both are on each different ends
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Speaker 8: of a road, So you have Burt Avenue, you have
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Speaker 8: West Avenue School, and then on Scholastic Drive you have
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Speaker 8: the Britian High School. Now, if you leave from there,
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Speaker 8: you're possibly going to be caught on camera, and one
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Speaker 8: of the other exits you go in front of a
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Speaker 8: zoo as well, and.
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Speaker 7: Courthouses and everything like that.
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Speaker 8: So it's kind of strange to know that they were
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Speaker 8: able to leave with a child in broad daylight and
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Speaker 8: not be caught in any of the cameras nearby.
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Speaker 2: What happened to Dulce just five years old, joining me IRV. Brandt,
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Speaker 2: former US Marshall Service and author of a series of
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Speaker 2: books on Amazon about Jack Solo. One being Flying Solo
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Speaker 2: Top of the World, orv thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: being with US. Police immediately flood the area. They're searching
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Speaker 2: high and low. This has been referred to as a
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Speaker 2: quote old school kidnapping. What does that mean?
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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, what they're mean by old school is just
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Speaker 9: snatching a kid up from a park, from out in
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Speaker 9: front of a school, or from a parking lot of
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Speaker 9: What immediately comes to your mind is a van coming
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Speaker 9: by with a sliding door and someone snatches it up
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Speaker 9: a kid and drives away. So I believe that's what
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Speaker 9: the police are talking about when they talk about old school.
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Speaker 9: It was a snatching graph.
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Speaker 2: Well, you heard Dolce's mother Neueima describing and her friend
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Speaker 2: Brenda Trinidad, who's helping, describing that this was a predator's dream. Okay,
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Speaker 2: because they're describing the fact that the predator had to
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Speaker 2: already be in there based on the ends and outs,
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Speaker 2: the entrances and exits of the playground. It makes perfect sense,
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Speaker 2: of Brandt because you've got multiple schools around there. This
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Speaker 2: is a kid's playground. It's not like it's an out
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Speaker 2: of the way place. This was exactly where a predator
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Speaker 2: would go to snatch a little girl.
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Speaker 9: I agree, Nancy, and I listened to the mother and
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Speaker 9: how she described it, and I think the same thing.
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Speaker 9: You could be in that park. That park is huge,
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Speaker 9: it has schools, it has a zoo, it has a playground,
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Speaker 9: and you could be in there without drawing notice, and
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Speaker 9: you could be, as you said, lurking around and looking
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Speaker 9: for an opportunity to do just what had happened, is
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Speaker 9: to snatch a kid up and drive off, and before
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Speaker 9: anybody realizes what has happened, that person would be gone.
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Speaker 9: The police wouldn't have a chance to and that park
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Speaker 9: is massive, and they wouldn't have a chance to lock
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Speaker 9: down the area. And so once you're out of the park,
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Speaker 9: you could be anywhere in the city or the state
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Speaker 9: before the police really had a chance to start their
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Speaker 9: investigation and start a search.
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Speaker 1: Guys, let's listen to more of than nine on one call.
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Speaker 10: Okay, so you're at the Basabell course behind high school here, Okay,
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Speaker 10: and what was she she left wearing?
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Speaker 11: She was wearing I remember what clothes she was wearing.
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Speaker 11: But she was wearing. I just remember what fans she
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Speaker 11: was wearing, like a slowery fans and some heels, some
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Speaker 11: my heels.
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Speaker 2: Back to mom Nuaima olive us joining us Neweima. Thank
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Speaker 2: you again for telling your story. And I know it's
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Speaker 2: painful to relive what happened when you got to little brother.
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Speaker 1: What did Manny say?
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Speaker 7: Manuel?
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Speaker 6: At that time, he was non verbal, he had speech
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Speaker 6: delay at three years old. And I asked him and
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Speaker 6: all he could say was just point behind the buildings,
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Speaker 6: and said that's all he could said, just point behind
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Speaker 6: the buildings because he wasn't talking.
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Speaker 2: And I've seen the video of you showing exactly where
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Speaker 2: you went behind the buildings. Tell me what you did
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Speaker 2: after man was pointed behind the buildings?
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Speaker 1: What did you do?
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Speaker 7: I was going.
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Speaker 6: Behind the buildings searching for a nice because Manuel said
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Speaker 6: that she had went over there, and I was looking
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Speaker 6: everywhere behind the buildings instead of trash cans, and I
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Speaker 6: couldn't find her. I was screaming her name, and that's
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Speaker 6: when I noticed that I couldn't find her.
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Speaker 10: Okay, my name fan line, which I here to the police. Okay,
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Speaker 10: and you asi correct.
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Speaker 11: Yes, all right, Hello ma'am Hello, did you see which
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Speaker 11: direction your child went? You know, we were in the car.
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Speaker 11: She came down with my son. They were running for
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Speaker 11: the park and then I mean sister, we came down.
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Speaker 11: When we got here at the park, she was in years.
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Speaker 11: They said, my son was just trying with issume because
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Speaker 11: somebody I'm through his issume in the four and my
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Speaker 11: daughter just run away.
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Speaker 3: Over thirty police officers searched the surrounding areas, but Dulja
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Speaker 3: has seemingly disappeared into thin air. New Jersey Police released
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Speaker 3: a sketch of a possible witness who may be able
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Speaker 3: to crack open Dulce's case.
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Speaker 2: Where is five year old Dulce? Joining us her mom
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Speaker 2: asking for your help. I want to give you the
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Speaker 2: toll free tip line again. Eight hundred two two five
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Speaker 2: five three two four repeat eight hundred two two five
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Speaker 2: five three two four. There was a fifty two thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars reward in the search for Dulce. Straight out to
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Speaker 2: Kathleen Murphy joining us from Triangle Divorce Lawyers dot com,
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Speaker 2: who has handled an investigative. So many children that go missing,
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Speaker 2: typically in custodial situations, Kathleen Murphy, that is not the
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Speaker 2: case here. Dad at the time was out of the country.
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Speaker 2: He did not have anything to do with this. Way
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Speaker 2: in on your thoughts about the disappearance.
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Speaker 12: I'm concerned that it is a stranger abduction. It seems
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Speaker 12: also that the child who is remaining would have said
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Speaker 12: something that they saw somebody that they knew, or was
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Speaker 12: able to communicate that they saw somebody knew.
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Speaker 2: But what do we learn witnesses say at this scene. Listen,
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Speaker 2: when we.
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Speaker 11: Came in and looked for her, we were looking everywhere.
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Speaker 6: For her, and then was at the basketball court with
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Speaker 6: her daughter that there was two black males that took her.
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Speaker 13: Son's ice cream and threw it on the ground and
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Speaker 13: left with her daughter.
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Speaker 7: Okay, well, we have the officers.
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Speaker 10: To pass works from Mayor Aigan.
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Speaker 11: Are you on, Mayor Aikin, I already have an officer here. Okay,
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Speaker 11: all right, well speak with the police.
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Speaker 1: Mail okay, okay.
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Speaker 2: Out to Claudia Vargas joining US investigative reporter or NBC
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Speaker 2: ten Philly, who has also created the documentary Somebody Knows
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Speaker 2: something the disappearance of Dulcey. Claudia, again, thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. So at the time, witnesses say two mails,
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Speaker 2: take Manuel's ice cream, throw it down and snatch Dulceay,
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Speaker 2: what if anything have you learned about those witness statements.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so we asked police about that, and if you'll
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Speaker 5: hear the beginning of the nine to one call, Noema
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Speaker 5: actually describes that she was told it was a Hispanic
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Speaker 5: mail and a blackmail. So the nine one one operator
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Speaker 5: repeated it a little differently, but the initial witness description
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Speaker 5: was a Hispanic mail and a blackmail.
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Speaker 1: What we know is that police did.
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Speaker 5: Eventually identify who they believed the blackmail and data determined
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Speaker 5: he was not involved in any kidnapping or anything. They
22:05
Speaker 5: have not yet identified a Hispanic mail that matches that description,
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Speaker 5: and that's the composite sketch that was released to the public,
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Speaker 5: and you guys had that up a little while ago,
22:15
Speaker 5: so that person still has not been identified to this day,
22:19
Speaker 5: but that's essentially what the witness has described, and based
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Speaker 5: on those witness descriptions, they will to come up with
22:24
Speaker 5: that sketch. And to this day, please say there's still
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Speaker 5: interested in speaking to that man.
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Speaker 1: Guys.
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Speaker 2: A fifty two thousand dollars reward is on the line
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Speaker 2: fifty two thousand dollars in information related to the disappearance
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Speaker 2: of Dulce. You know, IRV Brandt, a former US Marshalls
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Speaker 2: Service and now author. You have looked for people all
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Speaker 2: around the world successfully, I might add, So you've seen
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Speaker 2: the sketch, You've heard what happened according to witnesses, and
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Speaker 2: these are This is not just Mommy saying this. These
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Speaker 2: are witness is there on the scene. What do you
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Speaker 2: make of it?
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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, you use every resource that you have available
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Speaker 9: and within the Department of Justice. I know the FBI
23:12
Speaker 9: is involved in the case, and the FBI has a
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Speaker 9: presence at US embassies all around the world and especially
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Speaker 9: south of the border, particularly Mexico, they have a very
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Speaker 9: large presence. So any leads that they get, you know,
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Speaker 9: with someone calling in with a possible ID, they would
23:36
Speaker 9: be able to track down, even if it was in
23:38
Speaker 9: another country, they would be able to track these leads down.
23:42
Speaker 9: And I've worked multiple investigations doing just that using all
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Speaker 9: the resources that we have at hand, which is substantial,
23:52
Speaker 9: especially in WNU factor an inner pol and able to
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Speaker 9: communicate with law enforcement agencies all around the world.
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Speaker 2: Lets get real or Brant do you really think someone
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Speaker 2: took dul Say from a playground, a local playground and
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Speaker 2: took her out of the country, Because I do not.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's what happened.
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Speaker 9: I don't think it's likely, Nancy. But you can't overlook
24:12
Speaker 9: anything when you're doing this type of investigation. You follow
24:18
Speaker 9: the investigations where the leads take you. Even if it's
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Speaker 9: a long shot, You're going to investigate every possible.
24:28
Speaker 1: You don't want to overlook.
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Speaker 9: Something or say, well, you know, I'm not going to
24:33
Speaker 9: spend the time not looking into this because it's highly unlikely.
24:37
Speaker 9: Some it's highly unlikely, it's not impossible, so every lead
24:43
Speaker 9: has to be followed.
24:44
Speaker 3: Duljay's family fights to keep her name and her story alive,
24:48
Speaker 3: of hoping more witnesses will come forward. The five year
24:52
Speaker 3: old's mom believes Dulja is still out there and can
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Speaker 3: be brought home.
24:57
Speaker 1: Is that true?
24:59
Speaker 2: Noema Alavez joining us, This is Dulce's mother. Do you
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Speaker 2: believe in your heart and soul and mind, Dulcey is
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Speaker 2: still alive?
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Speaker 7: Yes, I still feel that she's still out there.
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Speaker 1: Why do you say that?
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Speaker 6: Because there's sometimes that my heart feels so heavy that
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Speaker 6: I feel that she thinks about us and that she
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Speaker 6: misses us and inside of me because I know that
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Speaker 6: she misses us.
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Speaker 2: On Kathleen Murphy joining us A veteran trial lawyer, Kathleen Murphy,
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Speaker 2: There's so many possibilities about what may have happened to Dulcey,
25:39
Speaker 2: and it is possible that she is alive. It is possible, Kathleen.
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Speaker 12: I pray it as Nancy, because the problem that we
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Speaker 12: have here is a mother's missing her baby. That's insurmountable,
25:53
Speaker 12: and we have an Amber alert that's been issued in
25:55
Speaker 12: this case. We have our reward, we have some things
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Speaker 12: that are being done correctly, we have stories coming out.
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Speaker 12: Let's find this little girl.
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Speaker 1: Guys, I want to go to IRV.
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Speaker 2: Brandt joining us out of Vegas, Senior Inspector US Marshall Service,
26:08
Speaker 2: International Branch and author of Solo Shot, Curse of the Bluestone,
26:12
Speaker 2: all of his series on Amazon RV.
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Speaker 1: Again, thank you for being with us. What do we
26:15
Speaker 1: need to do now.
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Speaker 2: To find out what happened to Dulcy and where if
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Speaker 2: she is still alive, can we find her?
26:22
Speaker 1: What do we do earth?
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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, you're doing just what needs to be done.
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Speaker 9: You're bringing it to the public's attention, and you're highlighting
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Speaker 9: this and the more the people see it, the more
26:35
Speaker 9: the people will call in with possible leads and give
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Speaker 9: these investigators something to go on. You know probably better
26:44
Speaker 9: than anyone when you're investigating cases of this age, that
26:49
Speaker 9: the number one thing you need is new leads. You
26:53
Speaker 9: can only go over old leads so many times, and
26:56
Speaker 9: you can only pound that turf so many times. You
27:01
Speaker 9: need something else, And the only way that's going to
27:03
Speaker 9: happen is by bringing up the visibility of this case
27:07
Speaker 9: and having people look at the photos, look at the video,
27:11
Speaker 9: think about what they were doing at the time and
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Speaker 9: what they may have seen, and picking up the phone
27:18
Speaker 9: and calling in with new information and giving these investigators
27:23
Speaker 9: a chance to do their job too.
27:25
Speaker 2: Claudia Art is joining US investigative reporter NBC ten Philly
27:29
Speaker 2: and responsible for the documentary Somebody Knows Something the disappearance
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Speaker 2: of Dulce streaming on Peacock. It's an incredible documentary. Claudia,
27:38
Speaker 2: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Claudia.
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Speaker 2: Are they saying she was running from two mails or
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Speaker 2: just running with two males, which doesn't make any sense?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unclear.
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Speaker 5: The description was that she was seen running behind the
27:50
Speaker 5: sheds at the same time that there were these two males,
27:53
Speaker 5: and so the theory from the witnesses was perhaps she
27:57
Speaker 5: went with those males, and so that was the initial
28:00
Speaker 5: tip that came in, and that's where that sketch came from. Now,
28:04
Speaker 5: I will say, and we go through this in our documentary,
28:07
Speaker 5: though somebody knows something the disappearance of Dulce, which is
28:09
Speaker 5: streaming on Peacock, The Amber alert was not issued until
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Speaker 5: twenty nine hours after Dulsa went missing, and the reason
28:17
Speaker 5: being because some of those witnesses were children, and so
28:21
Speaker 5: police say they had to take their time interviewing them
28:23
Speaker 5: and getting you know, what they would consider an accurate
28:27
Speaker 5: description of what they saw, and do it a little
28:30
Speaker 5: bit more carefully because there was and I think Noema
28:33
Speaker 5: can talk a little bit about this, but she was
28:34
Speaker 5: upset that they hadn't issued an amber alert. Even the
28:37
Speaker 5: next day, she was begging them please put.
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Speaker 7: Out an amber alert.
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Speaker 5: And it was twenty nine hours later that they finally
28:45
Speaker 5: issued that Amber alert. And so, of course, you know,
28:47
Speaker 5: as the other experts had spoken about by that time,
28:49
Speaker 5: if she was kidnapped, she.
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Speaker 7: Would have been way gone from there.
28:53
Speaker 5: So that was one of the issues that came up
28:54
Speaker 5: in this case and that we go through and speak
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Speaker 5: to police about why it took so long to issue
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Speaker 5: that amber alert.
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Speaker 2: That is total b s Claudia Vargas twenty nine hours.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the whole point of an amber alert is
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Speaker 2: for it to be quick immediate, so people can spot
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Speaker 2: the child or the kidnappers or the vehicle in which
29:20
Speaker 2: they are riding as they're getting away to Neweima of
29:25
Speaker 2: Az joining us. This is Dulce's mother, Neema explained to
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Speaker 2: me what took so long and what did you do
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Speaker 2: to try to get police to issue that amber alert.
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Speaker 6: They had thought that probably she was with a family
29:42
Speaker 6: member or I don't know. That's why they had too long,
29:46
Speaker 6: especially because the witness that gave the sketch was a minor,
29:50
Speaker 6: and they were saying that they wanted to get more
29:53
Speaker 6: information in order to put an amberner, but they the
29:58
Speaker 6: hours were passing by, a lot of people were coming backly.
30:01
Speaker 6: You show a pro pressure on them that Amberler needs
30:04
Speaker 6: to go if they can't find her.
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Speaker 7: It's a little girl, they.
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Speaker 6: Told me, and we were telling them until twenty nine
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Speaker 6: hour past that we saw I got a message from
30:16
Speaker 6: my phone about the ambler.
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Speaker 1: You know, so you Kathleen Murphy, high profile lawyer joining us.
30:21
Speaker 1: Does it never end?
30:22
Speaker 2: Do you remember so many cases that we have covered
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Speaker 2: where for some reason police refuse to issue the Amber
30:32
Speaker 2: alert in a timely manner, And this case is just
30:36
Speaker 2: like these that time is of the essence. Every minute counts.
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Speaker 2: It's a critical mistake, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You know it. I know it.
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Speaker 12: This individual could have been located in this town with
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Speaker 12: an Amber alert that had been issued within ten thirty
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Speaker 12: fifty minutes, and I think it's a critical mistake that
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Speaker 12: was made by this police department.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you know, I want to
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Speaker 2: understand something or a brand why to delay in issuing
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Speaker 2: the Amber alert.
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Speaker 9: I understand the frustration, Nancy. The procedures that are in
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Speaker 9: place that have to be followed, the types of information
31:30
Speaker 9: that has to be in for certain alerts to be
31:34
Speaker 9: published to outsiders looking in, it can be extremely frustrating.
31:41
Speaker 9: I've run into this at Interpol, where you're issuing an
31:46
Speaker 9: Interpol alert and there's a procedure. I'd want to issue
31:51
Speaker 9: green notice or red notice or yellow notice just immediately,
31:56
Speaker 9: but these things have to be reviewed by people higher up,
32:02
Speaker 9: and they have to meet certain crist Dear Lord.
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Speaker 2: In Heaven, just hearing you saying all that is driving
32:08
Speaker 2: me over the edge. Do I have to say the
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Speaker 2: name Cherish Perry Winkle. Do we all remember little Cherish?
32:16
Speaker 2: She was swiped at a giant Walmart superstore in Florida.
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Speaker 1: Long story short. By the time police interviewed and interviewed
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Speaker 1: and interviewed the mom, Rain.
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Speaker 2: Convinced that somehow this was part of a custody to
32:36
Speaker 2: sput which it was not. They didn't issue the Amber
32:40
Speaker 2: alert in time. She could have totally been saved. And
32:44
Speaker 2: the whole time the perps vehicle, the van in which
32:48
Speaker 2: he raped and sodomized and murdered Little Cherish, was.
32:51
Speaker 1: Sitting right outside of the parking lot.
32:55
Speaker 2: In fact, that vehicle was reported immediately after the Amber
32:59
Speaker 2: alert was finally issued. Cherish Periwingle's life could have been safe.
33:06
Speaker 2: And I'm hearing you go on and on and on.
33:08
Speaker 2: No offense or a brand, but really you have to
33:12
Speaker 2: interview all the children before you issue an Amber alert.
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Speaker 1: My rear and herv speaks in truth. Man.
33:24
Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, I understand your outrage and I'm telling you
33:28
Speaker 9: right now, I've felt it as an investigator, and sometimes,
33:34
Speaker 9: you know, an investigation, they start looking in the wrong direction,
33:39
Speaker 9: just like you said, maybe you're looking for a family
33:41
Speaker 9: member when it wasn't a family member, and it can
33:45
Speaker 9: be a mistake, and it can be a critical mistake
33:48
Speaker 9: because time is of the essence in cases like this,
33:52
Speaker 9: and action needs to be immediate, and when it's not,
33:57
Speaker 9: the case goes cold.
33:58
Speaker 3: Five year old Dutch Maria Alvarez mysteriously vanishes from a
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Speaker 3: playground and bridged in New Jersey while mommy is only
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Speaker 3: yards away. Dulce's family pleads with the public to help.
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Speaker 2: Still pleading, the mom is joining us today with family
34:15
Speaker 2: friend begging for your help. There is a fifty two
34:19
Speaker 2: thousand dollar reward and the search for five year old Dulce.
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Speaker 1: I want to go through one more time.
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Speaker 2: The fact that an amber alert was not issued immediately,
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Speaker 2: major fail.
34:34
Speaker 1: But what can we do now?
34:36
Speaker 2: Claudia Varges joining US investigative reporter NBC ten Philly and
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Speaker 2: creator of Somebody Knows Something The Disappearance of Dulce. It's
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Speaker 2: an incredible documentary that is streaming on Peacock right now.
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Speaker 2: Where does it stand right now, Claudia, what is being done?
34:55
Speaker 2: I've seen an age progression photo of Dulce on NICKMA
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Speaker 2: National Center Missing Emploited Children. But tell me what is
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Speaker 2: being done and what can we do to help bring
35:06
Speaker 2: Dulce home.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I was just gonna mention the age progression.
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Speaker 5: So Dulce is now ten years old, and with the
35:14
Speaker 5: age progression composite ideas that people might recognize her, you know,
35:18
Speaker 5: she's a little older now, looking a little different. And
35:21
Speaker 5: so police say they're still investigating this. After that new
35:24
Speaker 5: age progression sketch was released, they received about a dozen tips. Unfortunately,
35:29
Speaker 5: none of them really panned out.
35:30
Speaker 7: Obviously, we still don't have Dulsay home.
35:33
Speaker 5: But they are still looking into any tips that come
35:36
Speaker 5: in and they say they're actively investigating it. But it's
35:39
Speaker 5: really going to take somebody. And as their documentary says,
35:43
Speaker 5: somebody knows something. So whoever knows something, they just need
35:46
Speaker 5: that one clue, that one tip that's going to break
35:48
Speaker 5: the case and bring Dulsay home.
35:50
Speaker 2: You know a lot of people have claimed rewards don't work.
35:52
Speaker 2: I disagree. I think they do work if the right
35:56
Speaker 2: person hears about the reward. A fifty two thousand dollars
35:59
Speaker 2: reward in the search for Dulce, you know to your
36:03
Speaker 2: brandt joining US former US Marshall Service and DOJ Department
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Speaker 2: of Justice.
36:08
Speaker 1: The FBI is in the case. What does that mean, Nancy?
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Speaker 9: That means the case has expanded, that they consider it
36:17
Speaker 9: a kidnapping, not just a disappearance.
36:20
Speaker 10: I know.
36:22
Speaker 9: Local law enforcement, of course searched the area extensively, going
36:27
Speaker 9: through the woods, putting divers in the river, bringing in
36:31
Speaker 9: a helicopter the search if the child is lost, But
36:35
Speaker 9: when the child is believed to be abducted, the FBI
36:39
Speaker 9: has a missing Person's unit and they will be brought
36:43
Speaker 9: in for the case, and it expands the amount of
36:46
Speaker 9: resources that investigators have.
36:49
Speaker 2: Dulcie's family has not given up hope she will be
36:53
Speaker 2: brought home alive. Noweima Alavez, this is Dulce's mother. How
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Speaker 2: has this affected you and your family? I don't know
37:05
Speaker 2: how you put one foot in front of the other.
37:08
Speaker 2: You are so much stronger than I could be. Tell
37:12
Speaker 2: me what is going through your mind every night when
37:15
Speaker 2: you fall asleep.
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Speaker 6: Well, since that day, my family hasn't been the same.
37:21
Speaker 6: We doom celebrate parties or our birthdays or festivals becomes
37:29
Speaker 6: it's not the same without her, because I remember last
37:32
Speaker 6: Christmas we were with her. She was happy, we were
37:35
Speaker 6: we're family, we were all together, and then the first
37:39
Speaker 6: Christmas came in it was like, I don't know, I
37:43
Speaker 6: was sad because we just felt incomplete.
37:48
Speaker 7: And every day is like I sometimes I get scared.
37:52
Speaker 6: I get anxiety sometimes taking out my kids because sometimes
37:57
Speaker 6: I'm scared that I'm.
37:59
Speaker 7: Gonna lose one of them again. I don't know, it
38:04
Speaker 7: did mean anxiety.
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Speaker 2: You know, doctor Chloe Carmichael. If even one twin is
38:11
Speaker 2: away at night or at supper time, there's just this
38:16
Speaker 2: big empty hole. You know, there's the empty chair at
38:21
Speaker 2: the table, There's this huge presence that's missing. I just
38:28
Speaker 2: can't imagine what Dulce's mother is living through, plus having
38:34
Speaker 2: people attacking her claiming it's her fault because she was
38:39
Speaker 2: in the car helping with homework.
38:42
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I wish she had not been in the car.
38:44
Speaker 1: Was that wrong?
38:45
Speaker 2: Yes it was wrong for Pete's sake, But that does
38:48
Speaker 2: not mean this is her fault. The person that took Dulce,
38:54
Speaker 2: it's their fault. How to moms and dads move forward
39:01
Speaker 2: or do they ever move forward.
39:02
Speaker 1: I don't know that I could ever move forward.
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Speaker 13: As was just stated, there's naturally anxiety about something like
39:08
Speaker 13: this ever happening again. And of course, the point of
39:11
Speaker 13: my book Nervous Energy Harness the Power of your anxiety,
39:15
Speaker 13: is that the healthy function of anxiety is to stimulate
39:19
Speaker 13: preparation behaviors. So parents who are anxious about a child abduction,
39:24
Speaker 13: for example, would definitely want to take this as a
39:29
Speaker 13: cautionary tale when it comes to keeping eyes on your children,
39:33
Speaker 13: for example, at a playground, and other ways that you
39:37
Speaker 13: can think about channeling that anxiety into protective behaviors.
39:42
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking what can be done for Noeima who
39:46
Speaker 2: is missing her child Dulcay. Every day take a look
39:51
Speaker 2: at Dulcey. If you know or think you know anything
39:56
Speaker 2: about her disappearance, please dial toll free eight hundred two
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Speaker 2: two five five three two four again, over fifty thousand
40:05
Speaker 2: dollars in reward.
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Speaker 1: We wait for justice. Two unfold.
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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off, Goodbye friend,