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Musical Equality And Sustainability With VICKI GORDON · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: So thanks for joining having you today. We've got a
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  Speaker 1: bit of a special interview today. We're here to talk
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  Speaker 1: about Australian Women in Music Awards and Conference Program twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty five with founding executive producer and program director Vicky Gordon.
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  Speaker 2: So, Vicky, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Chris My pleasures.
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  Speaker 1: So the awards will be held at Fortitude Music Hall
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  Speaker 1: on October the night featuring your spectacular lineup including Katie Miller,
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  Speaker 1: hide Key, Missy Higgins, Baby Shakes, Dylan having his good
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  Speaker 1: friend Sarah McLeod.
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  Speaker 2: So how preparations for the night going.
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  Speaker 4: They're pretty intense at the moment because we're just, you know,
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  Speaker 4: under four weeks out from delivering the conference and the
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  Speaker 4: awards ceremony, and there are a lot of moving parts.
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  Speaker 4: It's become a massive, really really big event and there's
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  Speaker 4: a lot going on on top of just organizing the
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  Speaker 4: artists and the programming for the awards ceremony, the finalists,
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  Speaker 4: the conference program, the speakers and the facilitator. So it's
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  Speaker 4: a big one for us and we've got a really
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  Speaker 4: big and an extraordinary team working behind the scenes trying
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  Speaker 4: to pull this one off this year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it'd be pretty much a year out event
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  Speaker 1: for you, wouldn't it, Like you just finish this year
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  Speaker 1: and you'd be starting work on next year straight away,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't you.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I'm already starting on twenty twenty six now, and
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  Speaker 4: I've been working on it for the last month actually.
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  Speaker 4: But what actually happens is that we we're very you know,
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  Speaker 4: we're not for profit charity. We don't make any money
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  Speaker 4: out of the event, so we're a purpose for purpose event,
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  Speaker 4: and a really big part of the work involves raising
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  Speaker 4: the funds to deliver the event every year. So we
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  Speaker 4: end up we start on that Mary go Round again
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  Speaker 4: in February twenty twenty six, and have to raise all
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  Speaker 4: the funds to deliver it again in October twenty twenty six,
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  Speaker 4: and so it goes on. It's a bit of a
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  Speaker 4: it's very cyclical and nothing is consistent or secure in
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  Speaker 4: that regard.
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  Speaker 1: So before we go too further into the actual awards
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  Speaker 1: themselves this year, like I want to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: awards as a whole, Like you started them back in
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  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, So what what does it mean back then
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  Speaker 1: to Australiman musicians and why did you start it?
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  Speaker 4: So I've worked in the music industry for a long time.
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  Speaker 4: I've been a label manager and artist manager. I've had
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  Speaker 4: the extraordinary, you know, opportunities to work with First Nations
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  Speaker 4: artists for the last three decades right across this entire country.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I've been a video producer. I've worked
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  Speaker 4: in lots of areas and in my time in the industry,
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  Speaker 4: it was just always so very obvious to me that
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  Speaker 4: women were really absent, particularly in a lot of the
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  Speaker 4: technical and production areas, and I have really been, you know,
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  Speaker 4: observing that for a long long time. In the early nineties,
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  Speaker 4: I established the Australian Women's Rock Institute, and that was
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  Speaker 4: way before Australian Women and Music Awards, and I set
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  Speaker 4: that up primarily to address the status of women in
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  Speaker 4: the music industry, which was clearly pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Appalling at that time.
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  Speaker 4: In that role, I produced Australia's first Abergel and Torres
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  Speaker 4: Straight Islander Women's Music Festival and the first training program
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  Speaker 4: for female DJs. Due to lack of funding and lack
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  Speaker 4: of support, that organization folded and then I went and
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  Speaker 4: moved into the area of running labels and signed Vanessa
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  Speaker 4: Amirosi when she was fifteen. We have worked with many, many,
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  Speaker 4: many artists over many years in independent capacity, but in
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  Speaker 4: two seventeen, around two sixteen, I started to think, we've
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  Speaker 4: really got to do something here. The leadership in the
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  Speaker 4: music industry was pretty much nonexistent in terms of gender,
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  Speaker 4: in terms of creating change for disadvantage and marginalized artists,
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  Speaker 4: for First Nations artists. There have always been some great
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  Speaker 4: people in the industry doing good work, the general leadership
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  Speaker 4: across the industry was pretty appalling. I was one of
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  Speaker 4: the first women on the board of AREA in two
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  Speaker 4: thousand and two, and I was representing the independence. Between
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  Speaker 4: two thousand and two and two eighteen, there were no
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  Speaker 4: women on the board of AREA, and there were very few.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't know the numbers off the top of my
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  Speaker 4: head women on the boards of at prah Amcos. And
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  Speaker 4: I just decided that we needed to do something. I
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  Speaker 4: had to do something. I've always been a woman on
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  Speaker 4: a mission, and I've always been very active in terms
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  Speaker 4: of my commitment to creating change in the industry. I've
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  Speaker 4: done it throughout my whole career. And I thought, well,
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  Speaker 4: what can we do that is also a celebration, you know? Obviously,
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  Speaker 4: we can stand on the outside and scream, and sometimes
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  Speaker 4: you've just got to get on the inside and kick.
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  Speaker 4: And that's pretty much how I established the Australian Women
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  Speaker 4: in Music Awards. The thing that's still really of major
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  Speaker 4: interest to me is the lack of research around gender equality,
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  Speaker 4: and still in twenty twenty five, the lack of commitment
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  Speaker 4: from the industry to gender equality at a policy level.
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  Speaker 4: So I did a lot of lobbying. I spent many
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  Speaker 4: years lobbying, and eventually I managed to find some support
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  Speaker 4: from the Queensland government. I'm based in New South Wales ironically,
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  Speaker 4: and our head office is in New South Wales, but
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  Speaker 4: it was actually Anastasia Palichet's Queensland government that actually supported
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  Speaker 4: my ideas and supported me to pursue the idea around
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  Speaker 4: establishing Australian Women in Music Awards. And at that time
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  Speaker 4: she had fifty one percent women in major ministerial roles,
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  Speaker 4: so she was already leading the country in terms of
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  Speaker 4: gender in relation to politics. And there's something very similar
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  Speaker 4: about the way women sit within the music industry and
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  Speaker 4: how they also sit within the political system. So we
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  Speaker 4: were very aligned and I founded some major research in
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  Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, which was called Skipping a Beat, which some
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  Speaker 4: of you will all know about it that is on
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  Speaker 4: our website. That was the last sort of research report
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  Speaker 4: around gender equality, and in two eighteen I was able
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  Speaker 4: to raise enough money to establish the inaugural event.
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  Speaker 2: What was your early vision for the events and how
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  Speaker 2: has it sort of grown sense?
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  Speaker 4: The early vision really was about finding areas, which is
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  Speaker 4: not hard to do, but looking at the areas where
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  Speaker 4: women and gender diverse folk were not being acknowledged and recognized,
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  Speaker 4: and then establishing categories around those areas where we could
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  Speaker 4: then shine a spotlight on those individuals making contributions in
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  Speaker 4: those areas. The award ceremony is really it's really been
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  Speaker 4: for me, the foundational event that has I think been
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  Speaker 4: the major catalyst for change in the Australian music industry
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  Speaker 4: since we established ORMA. We've seen some change in relation
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  Speaker 4: to leadership roles. We've seen some change in relation to
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  Speaker 4: women on the major boards, which is fantastic, you know,
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  Speaker 4: but we've still got a long long way to go.
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  Speaker 4: It was really about creating an event that was also,
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  Speaker 4: as I said, a celebration and a positive statement, but
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  Speaker 4: that also was able to be a catalyst to create
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  Speaker 4: a platform for these conversations to take place.
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  Speaker 2: And you speak about the change.
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  Speaker 1: There's been some massive changes since you started, but what
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  Speaker 1: are some of the most significant ones and what further
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  Speaker 1: changes would you like to see happen.
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  Speaker 4: There's still so much work to do, I mean, and
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  Speaker 4: just in terms of representation across the board and technical
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  Speaker 4: and production areas, in relation to pay gap, stereotypes and
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  Speaker 4: objectification of women and gender diverse folk.
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  Speaker 3: Public perception as well.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the public perception around the music industry is
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  Speaker 4: that the industry is really just about singer songwriters and
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  Speaker 4: it's not. Obviously, we know through ORMA and a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the other awards ceremonies that exist, that there are
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  Speaker 4: all of these other people making all of this incredible,
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  Speaker 4: doing all of this incredible work behind the scenes, who
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  Speaker 4: don't get acknowledged. And that was another reason why I
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  Speaker 4: established ORMA. We've also got the age old problem of
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  Speaker 4: gendered ageism, which is where women have basically been aging
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  Speaker 4: out at about thirty five of us sing a songwriters
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  Speaker 4: because the double standards for men and women in relation
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  Speaker 4: to artistic expression and also performance on stage is absolutely
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  Speaker 4: enormous and we're also going to address a lot of
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  Speaker 4: systemic issues around gender bias, unconscious gender bias, and a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the decisions that made.
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  Speaker 3: That do not.
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  Speaker 4: Do not incorporate or consider the role of women in
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  Speaker 4: gender diverse, diverse folk in those areas.
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  Speaker 1: Would you say that you're personally happy with the progress
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  Speaker 1: that's made so far or would you like to see much
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  Speaker 1: more done?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 4: I think that there I think in some ways we've
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  Speaker 4: gone backwards. We've obviously seen like I said, we've seen
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  Speaker 4: great changes with the boards of the major orgs, and
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  Speaker 4: that's fantastic. We have seen and you know, maybe one
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  Speaker 4: or two changes in terms of I'm talking to people
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  Speaker 4: in terms of leadership, but we've still.
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  Speaker 3: Got a long long way to go.
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  Speaker 4: Our my position and certainly the Board of Australian Women
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  Speaker 4: and Music is that we believe the only way that
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  Speaker 4: we can get real changes if gender equality is adopted
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  Speaker 4: as a core music industry value. That way, that is
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  Speaker 4: the only way that we're really going to see the
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  Speaker 4: change we need to see in the next twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what can people out there watching this vice and
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  Speaker 1: this and they're involved in the awards, what can what
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  Speaker 1: can they do to help this, I won't say movements,
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  Speaker 1: but to help raise the awareness for what you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to do, like what's going to average everyday person in
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  Speaker 1: the music industry do.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I just just sat on a fantastic panel actually
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  Speaker 4: at Big Sound and we were taught I was with
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  Speaker 4: a great group of people talking about authenticity and programming
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  Speaker 4: and tokenism basically across the board and they're on that panel.
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  Speaker 4: There we're a number of people, both men and women,
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  Speaker 4: who are doing extraordinary work. And I know that there
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  Speaker 4: are lots of individuals in the industry that almost sit
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  Speaker 4: a little bit outside the industry are doing everything that
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  Speaker 4: they can, whether it's in festival programming and lineups and
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  Speaker 4: on the back end all those sorts of things. But
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  Speaker 4: most importantly, we encourage people to get involved with AMA
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  Speaker 4: Australian Women in Music Awards and with the event to
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  Speaker 4: support what we're doing and to become really active and
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  Speaker 4: vocal about the change that we need to see. There's
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  Speaker 4: an enormous amount of work to be done. I'm spending
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  Speaker 4: a lot of more time now lobbying with federal and
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  Speaker 4: state government in relation to the issues that are really
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  Speaker 4: important for the sector. And I think there's also a
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  Speaker 4: lot of education that needs to take place around gender equality,
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  Speaker 4: why it's important, why feminism is really important in the
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  Speaker 4: music industry. And you know, I say, we're seeing more
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  Speaker 4: and more growth in that area and certainly a lot
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  Speaker 4: more interest in that area, but there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: education that has to take place.
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  Speaker 1: You touched on this a little bit before. But it's
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  Speaker 1: not just a performers who are recognized for their achievements.
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  Speaker 1: So the awards also cover the work of people who
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  Speaker 1: work just as hard behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 2: So what are some of the awards on recognition is
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  Speaker 2: are So.
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  Speaker 4: We acknowledge music journalists, we acknowledge music photographers, videographers, We
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  Speaker 4: acknowledge those that are working in regional, remote communities who
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  Speaker 4: are helping marginalize and disadvantaged artists we work, and we
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  Speaker 4: acknowledge through the awards ceremony. All of the production areas,
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  Speaker 4: which are still the technical and production areas are still
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  Speaker 4: probably the least represented by women and gender diverse folks.
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  Speaker 4: It's very rare that you'll walk into a live music
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  Speaker 4: gig and see a woman on a front desk or
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  Speaker 4: front of house or even mixing front of house, or
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  Speaker 4: we do not see female lighting designers just about anywhere,
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  Speaker 4: so that that's a really big issue for the industry.
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  Speaker 4: I think just getting on board with the technical side
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  Speaker 4: of things and making sure that we've got women represented there.
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  Speaker 4: One of the things I would say, though, is that
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  Speaker 4: we have seen a great we have seen a great
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  Speaker 4: sort of emergence of more female music photographers and that's
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  Speaker 4: been really extraordinary. Our keynote address this year is Brittany Long,
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  Speaker 4: who is a disabled music photographer, and she's done an
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  Speaker 4: extraordinary job just navigating that mosh pit in a wheelchair,
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  Speaker 4: you know, like really extraordinary and as a remarkable photographer. So, look,
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  Speaker 4: we are seeing some change there, and there's an enormous hunger,
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  Speaker 4: I think and desire from this next generation of music
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  Speaker 4: practitioners an artist to be really actively involved in the
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  Speaker 4: change that we're trying to create.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the theme for the twenty twenty five Awards is
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  Speaker 1: leadership Legacy, So can you expand on those themes a
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  Speaker 1: bit for us?
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  Speaker 4: Sure? So the youth side of ALMA this year is
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  Speaker 4: really a are embracing those the next generation and making
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  Speaker 4: sure that we're able to support them in whatever capacity
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  Speaker 4: they need to be supported, and creating a visible platform
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  Speaker 4: for them. We've partnered with Space Girls, which is a
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  Speaker 4: fantastic a female and gender queer organization out of Gimpi.
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  Speaker 4: They will all be involved with the conference program this year.
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  Speaker 4: Legacy is really about reminding ourselves about those women in
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  Speaker 4: particular who have laid the groundwork and established a lot
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  Speaker 4: of platforms for some of the change that we're seeing now.
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  Speaker 4: We're bringing in ten First Nations women from Bora Lula
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  Speaker 4: who are the traditional song women and they will talk
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  Speaker 4: about the legacy that they are creating for young Aboriginal
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  Speaker 4: women whilst they are actually surviving and creating music in
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  Speaker 4: a remote community. So that's the legacy aspect. And the leadership,
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  Speaker 4: of course, is around everything. We need leadership in every
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  Speaker 4: aspect of the music and not just you know, in
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  Speaker 4: terms of the administrative side of things or the corporate
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  Speaker 4: side of things. We need leadership at every single level
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  Speaker 4: and we need it from everybody in relation to gender
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  Speaker 4: equality to make the change we want all right now.
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  Speaker 2: Heavy music is also recognized this year. Nomine not just
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  Speaker 2: this year but every year.
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  Speaker 1: But you've got nominees for the Odds Tich Women in
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  Speaker 1: Heavy Music Awards. You've got La based singer songwriter guitarist
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  Speaker 1: Leam Martin Brown.
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  Speaker 2: From Evil Walks.
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  Speaker 1: You've got music video producer Chrissy McHugh and the Last
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  Speaker 1: marta vocalist and music business coach Monica Strutt, all in
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  Speaker 1: line for the awards.
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  Speaker 2: So it's with no disrespect to the.
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  Speaker 1: Other awards, it's really good to see heavy music being
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  Speaker 1: represented and faithfully genuinely represented at these awards.
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  Speaker 3: We love it.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I have to give credit to Aaron
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  Speaker 4: Nolan from Ozte's who actually was really pushed hard to
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  Speaker 4: establish this award category. And heavy music is just another
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  Speaker 4: one of those genre genres, but a really critical genre
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  Speaker 4: for women to be recognized because that area, as you
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  Speaker 4: would know, Chris, is incredibly male dominated. There's something the
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  Speaker 4: Heavy Music Award is really has a really special place
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  Speaker 4: in my heart because I'm really really conscious of just
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  Speaker 4: how extraordinary the heavy music community is.
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  Speaker 3: Particularly when it comes to.
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  Speaker 4: The way how generous they are with one another and
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  Speaker 4: how generous they have also been to Australian women in music.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've interviewed two of those ladies before.
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  Speaker 1: I've interviewed Leah and Monica, and then they're both great
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  Speaker 1: ambassadors for the music seeing great people, great musicians. It's
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  Speaker 1: good to see people like that get now. They're so
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  Speaker 1: congratulations on that, thanks Chris. Of course, it's not just
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  Speaker 1: about the awards ceremony. There's also the full conference program
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  Speaker 1: at Queensland Multicultural Center on October the eighth, so tell
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  Speaker 1: us more about that one.
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  Speaker 4: The conference program is really was really established as to
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  Speaker 4: create a platform for new ways of thinking, to encourage
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  Speaker 4: new ways of thinking, and to break down a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the stereotypes in relation to how we think about
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  Speaker 4: the things that are important to us. As I've just
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  Speaker 4: talked about in terms of youth leadership and legacy. We're
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  Speaker 4: also running a forum this year about women in tech.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously we've just talked about why that's so important and
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  Speaker 4: how difficult it is for women to break through in
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  Speaker 4: that area. And I've also mentioned Brittany Long who will
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  Speaker 4: be in conversation speaker, the music photographer, So you know,
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  Speaker 4: there's the conference just provides another layer layer of thought
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  Speaker 4: and thinking and an opportunity, great opportunity for networking for
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  Speaker 4: people who are really interested in the work that we're
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  Speaker 4: doing and also the need for change to connect with
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  Speaker 4: one another and feel supported in a really strong female
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  Speaker 4: lead space that.
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  Speaker 1: There'd be a lot Look, a male's welcome to attend
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  Speaker 1: these events at the conference, There'll be a lot of
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  Speaker 1: males thinking that if they go along, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a begh hate on male sort of thing, but
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  Speaker 1: they're actually encouraged to go and understand what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, yeah, oh, Chris, you know it's funny, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when men create things that are totally male dominated,
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  Speaker 4: No one ever says it's a hate on female thing,
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  Speaker 4: do they?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we're just doing what we are in a totally
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  Speaker 4: inclusive event. At every aspect of and every corner of
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  Speaker 4: what we do, we encourage men to be involved. We
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  Speaker 4: can't be the change we want to see without your support.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why I'm so grateful to be speaking to
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  Speaker 4: you today, Chris.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 4: Men are absolutely one hundred percent encouraged to be there,
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  Speaker 4: to be in the conference, to be at the awards ceremony,
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  Speaker 4: to support their sisters, to support their partners, to support
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  Speaker 4: their mothers, to support the women in their lives that
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  Speaker 4: are important to them. You know, this is not a
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  Speaker 4: separatist event. This is a totally inclusive event. And honestly,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I'm pleased to hear you ask that question.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody asked me that question. It's an ongoing question, and
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  Speaker 4: to be honest, it's a bit frustrating because I think
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  Speaker 4: we're far more evolved than that. I think that what
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  Speaker 4: we all want is to be part of this extraordinary
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  Speaker 4: community which includes everybody, non binary, queer, LGBTQI, men, women,
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  Speaker 4: first Nations, disabled. We are an organization that totally embraces
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  Speaker 4: all of that and every aspect of humanity is absolutely
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  Speaker 4: critical to Australian women in music.
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  Speaker 2: Fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what does the future hold for the Australian Women
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: in music as well?
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: Where can you see it going from here?
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: You know, it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting because we
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: obviously have to have support from the a state government
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: to deliver the event. Our UMA runs out of contract
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: with the Queensland government in twenty twenty six, so we'll
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: have to wait and see what happens there.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I know that.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: We are and of course I am incredibly determined to
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: keep this going. Twenty twenty eight will be ten years
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: since I established the organization, which will be a phenomenal
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: achievement if.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: We get there.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: So for the future, I just at the moment. The
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: tricky thing for us is actually just this annual Mary
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: go round keeping it going on an annual basis, and
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: I'm hoping through a lot of the work that I'm
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: doing now lobbying with federal government in particular, that we
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: might be able to find a place for Australian Women
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: and Music to be established as an ongoing entity in
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: the industry to then continue to deliver the armors.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Beautiful And both the conference and the awards are both
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: ticketed events as well, aren't they, So the public could
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: be part of the amazing double events. So where do
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: people get tickets or find out more information?
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: So just go to the ormal website, which is Women
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: in Music Awards dot com dot au and on the
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: home page there is a button there that will direct
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: you to buy tickets through the moshtiks platform. So it's
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: really easy to purchase tickets through our website. And while
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: you're on our website, you can have a look at
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: all of the other work that we're doing and the
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: extraordinary program for the conference and obviously for the awards ceremony.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: We also have a black carpet. We don't have a
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: red carpet with a black carpet, and this year that
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: carpet will be hosted by Sarah MacLeod and Dizzy Doodling,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: and the award ceremony will also be hosted by Nina Korba,
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: who is a First Nations Rising Star and a soprano
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: with Yumie Steins Fantasy.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll be there for sure for you. Thinks very
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: much for your time. It's been a pleasure speaking with
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: your Best of Ruckty Awards. In the future, it sounds
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: like your great initiative.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for your support. Chris. See you on
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: October the eighth,