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- 0:05Speaker 1: All system's going clear the left.
- 0:36Speaker 2: What's up everyone? Tyler Tamberline here aka Totek and Tambo
- 0:39Speaker 2: back for another edition of the First Look Show, Week
- 0:42Speaker 2: twelve ahead here on the ship at Nation YouTube station.
- 0:45Speaker 2: Got my guy here with me as always DJ Djen,
- 0:48Speaker 2: I'll bring you right in. Man, a good week for
- 0:49Speaker 2: the both of us. I had to put it out
- 0:51Speaker 2: finally on X just now. I say, hey, a lot
- 0:53Speaker 2: of good shows are there, and there is I take
- 0:54Speaker 2: in all kinds of content around the industry, but this
- 0:57Speaker 2: has been a really good one for us. And keep
- 0:59Speaker 2: in my notes. Man, they're still working over here. So
- 1:01Speaker 2: what's going on? How you doing?
- 1:02Speaker 3: I mean, look at us.
- 1:03Speaker 4: Who would have ever thought just a couple of guys
- 1:05Speaker 4: doing a first look show, just breaking it in on Sunday.
- 1:08Speaker 3: It's it's fun.
- 1:09Speaker 4: You know, we love winning at PGA or nfldfs and pgadfs.
- 1:13Speaker 4: But it's you know, like like it's we enjoy the process.
- 1:16Speaker 4: We put a lot into it so to you know,
- 1:17Speaker 4: to see it happen and come to fruition.
- 1:20Speaker 3: You know, that's the best. It's the fucking best. I
- 1:22Speaker 3: love it.
- 1:23Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. It's it's all passion. We talk
- 1:25Speaker 2: about it all the time, But this is the thing
- 1:26Speaker 2: if you do, if you're not a little bit obsessed
- 1:28Speaker 2: with this stuff. And our guy uncle Nick, who's probably
- 1:31Speaker 2: in the chat or probably will be, always says it
- 1:32Speaker 2: like sometimes you like the process more than the sweat.
- 1:35Speaker 2: The sweat's the best part. It's like the result of
- 1:37Speaker 2: the process and the time that you put in. You
- 1:39Speaker 2: want to get a sweat and have a chance to
- 1:40Speaker 2: have it pay off big, but you know, the main
- 1:43Speaker 2: thing is just to putting the time in and the
- 1:45Speaker 2: energy to go find your way. And I want to
- 1:46Speaker 2: talk a little bit about that before we get into
- 1:48Speaker 2: the games for this slate and bring up the stone
- 1:50Speaker 2: the shell to go through everything over at Ship and
- 1:53Speaker 2: Nation last week you did something differently and obviously you
- 1:56Speaker 2: talk about it inside the community, and I want to
- 1:58Speaker 2: talk about it publicly because I thought it was really awesome,
- 2:00Speaker 2: interesting stuff that really gets my blood flow and excited
- 2:03Speaker 2: to start thinking about this stuff. But you always preach
- 2:06Speaker 2: bankroll management, contest selection, sustainability, bar none one of the
- 2:10Speaker 2: best at doing that. What I love about you and
- 2:12Speaker 2: what I see in myself and we connect on it.
- 2:13Speaker 2: We believe in the same stuff that way. But you
- 2:16Speaker 2: didn't really change your bankroll management last week. You stayed
- 2:19Speaker 2: well within which, by the way, after two, three, three
- 2:22Speaker 2: weeks in a row, now that you're hitting huge, you
- 2:24Speaker 2: could have just scaled up. You did not. You stayed
- 2:26Speaker 2: within your bankroll, but you changed your contest selection. Talk
- 2:30Speaker 2: a little bit about that and why that's I think
- 2:31Speaker 2: important for others to hear.
- 2:33Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like every week, I usually play about twenty
- 2:36Speaker 4: to thirty lineups, and I play right out about three
- 2:38Speaker 4: thousand dollars, and you know, that's a lot of the
- 2:40Speaker 4: three Max's single entry stuff like that, all the well
- 2:42Speaker 4: structured contest that DK offers. But looking at it last week,
- 2:45Speaker 4: there were just some more, you know, like some of
- 2:47Speaker 4: the stacks I like seemed a little slimier. And I
- 2:49Speaker 4: knew that I needed to be able to get more
- 2:51Speaker 4: than twenty or thirty lineups because I wanted to get
- 2:53Speaker 4: some Drake May and play him with some Booty and
- 2:55Speaker 4: some Born and guys like that. I wanted to have
- 2:58Speaker 4: some Jameis Winston double stacks with and Elijah Moore and
- 3:01Speaker 4: kind of get on the slimier side of that. And
- 3:03Speaker 4: I also even wanted some Anthony Richardson and when you
- 3:05Speaker 4: start getting with these guys, you realize that I'm gonna
- 3:08Speaker 4: need more than thirty lineups to get mix and match
- 3:10Speaker 4: the right run backs and the right the right stacks
- 3:14Speaker 4: with these guys. And so what I did is it
- 3:16Speaker 4: just so happened that DraftKings put out some new contests
- 3:18Speaker 4: last week that sixty dollars thirty max, the eight dollars
- 3:21Speaker 4: or the eighty eight dollars eight max. And I ended
- 3:23Speaker 4: up running about sixty lineups so that I could have
- 3:25Speaker 4: more options to have my stacks, to have my run backs.
- 3:30Speaker 4: And I didn't run. I didn't play near as many
- 3:32Speaker 4: as those three hundred dollars single entries. The two hundred
- 3:34Speaker 4: dollars single entries. I left them alone and played smaller
- 3:37Speaker 4: but played more lineups. So I kept my bank roll
- 3:40Speaker 4: about the same for the week, but I was able
- 3:41Speaker 4: to play more lineups, and come to find out, it
- 3:43Speaker 4: was the perfect way to do that, because I needed
- 3:45Speaker 4: those lineups that had the Jerry Judy and the Taysom
- 3:47Speaker 4: Hill in them and kind of had those weird builds.
- 3:50Speaker 3: And that's what I did.
- 3:51Speaker 4: I didn't change how much I played, I didn't change
- 3:54Speaker 4: how I played. I just simply changed what contest I played,
- 3:58Speaker 4: and that was what I You know that that's part
- 4:00Speaker 4: of being you know, managing your bankroll and still finding
- 4:03Speaker 4: success and letting the slate dictate how you're going to
- 4:06Speaker 4: play for the week and not necessarily how you always
- 4:09Speaker 4: play for the week. You got to be able to
- 4:11Speaker 4: adjust week to week in my opinion, one hundred percent.
- 4:13Speaker 2: And that's what I want to I'm glad you said,
- 4:15Speaker 2: especially that last part. Everything was good there and a
- 4:16Speaker 2: lot of stuff that people can take away. I know
- 4:18Speaker 2: Philly Fantom was just in here saying, get a ton
- 4:21Speaker 2: of value from these shows and you know, take a
- 4:23Speaker 2: lot away. So the key you said there though at
- 4:25Speaker 2: the end, is like that kind of dictates what you doing.
- 4:26Speaker 2: Let the slate decide. So many people decide for the slate.
- 4:29Speaker 2: It's like the slate should tell you if there's a
- 4:31Speaker 2: bunch of value plays on the slate and there are
- 4:34Speaker 2: a bunch of different ways that you want to go,
- 4:36Speaker 2: and your playerbul is bigger. You've done a great job
- 4:37Speaker 2: in PGADFS of explaining this to people, and that's probably easier.
- 4:40Speaker 2: But you can relate it to NFL in PGADFS. If
- 4:43Speaker 2: you like twenty golfers, probably a good week for twenty
- 4:46Speaker 2: max or less because it's easy to get it down
- 4:48Speaker 2: and you're only on twenty guys. If you like fifty golfers,
- 4:50Speaker 2: or if there's a wave advantage for fifty of the
- 4:53Speaker 2: one hundred plus golfers that you feel good about, you're
- 4:55Speaker 2: probably gonna want to get into some mme. In golf,
- 4:58Speaker 2: it's a little bit easier because once you get the
- 5:00Speaker 2: weather advantage and you know there's like forty to fifty
- 5:03Speaker 2: in that wave, and you build a pool, let the
- 5:05Speaker 2: optimizer do the work, so to speak. Just figure out
- 5:07Speaker 2: where you want to get overweight. Great, But how does
- 5:09Speaker 2: that apply to NFL? And you just talked about it.
- 5:11Speaker 2: If there's multiple quarterbacks you like and different ways you
- 5:14Speaker 2: want to approach the slate within those quarterbacks that relates
- 5:17Speaker 2: to more lineups. You can take the exact same bank
- 5:20Speaker 2: roll which you did scout the lobby out for good
- 5:22Speaker 2: contest selection, and there happened to be some literally a
- 5:25Speaker 2: perfect storm, and in the end you get what's a
- 5:27Speaker 2: perfect result, first place. Can't get much better than that.
- 5:29Speaker 2: So another huge win. I know you had other scores
- 5:31Speaker 2: behind that, but the one big one for three weeks
- 5:34Speaker 2: in a row, now you are already playing with house money,
- 5:35Speaker 2: so congrats again to you. I just thought that was
- 5:38Speaker 2: an amazing thing to talk about where people don't like
- 5:40Speaker 2: you said some people to say, well, I got this
- 5:41Speaker 2: much money, and I always play this way. Every slate
- 5:44Speaker 2: is different, so why are you playing the exact same
- 5:46Speaker 2: way every single time? That's kind of the point of
- 5:48Speaker 2: the process. Topic for the week, So anything you want
- 5:51Speaker 2: to add there. If not, we can move on to
- 5:54Speaker 2: the listen league winner from last week.
- 5:56Speaker 4: Yeah, I do want to hear about your discussing week
- 5:57Speaker 4: real quick. Someone told me you were going to win
- 5:59Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty thousand. He's still had an incredible week,
- 6:01Speaker 4: but just some crazy bad runouts. You wanna you wanna,
- 6:04Speaker 4: you wanna share some heartbreak last.
- 6:06Speaker 2: Time sharing it? Nobody cares where Carter, I don't care.
- 6:09Speaker 2: I'm back to normal. We're all good guys. We're back
- 6:11Speaker 2: in it. I love it. The only thing is that
- 6:13Speaker 2: runout is hard to believe in the In the Fantasy
- 6:15Speaker 2: Football World Championship, I was up twelve to fourteen points
- 6:19Speaker 2: on the guys behind me six minutes left in the
- 6:21Speaker 2: Denver game. Nobody had anybody from the Kansas City Buffalo game. Surprise, surprise,
- 6:26Speaker 2: Never Mahomes comes through again. You don't need shit when
- 6:29Speaker 2: those guys play. But anyway, I digress. The only way
- 6:32Speaker 2: I could have sent, like I have estimate and CMC
- 6:35Speaker 2: is what I have left. The guy behind me has CMC,
- 6:38Speaker 2: he can't get me, and the guy behind him has
- 6:41Speaker 2: CMC bo Nicks and Lil Jordan Humphrey, so he had
- 6:45Speaker 2: me blocked. If somehow those two got there, They're up
- 6:47Speaker 2: thirty one to six with six minutes left. I look
- 6:50Speaker 2: down at my phone. I see that Denver got a
- 6:53Speaker 2: forty yard Basically, they're on the forty you know, like
- 6:55Speaker 2: they got a forty yard touchdown. Holy shit, that must
- 6:58Speaker 2: have been estimated. They let their rookie take one and
- 7:00Speaker 2: he ran into the house. I click in once it uploads,
- 7:03Speaker 2: because not even red zones there yet. It is a
- 7:05Speaker 2: bon Knicks to Lil Jordan Humphrey forty yard touchdown. It's fine,
- 7:10Speaker 2: it was from bon Nicks. It's fine. It was for
- 7:12Speaker 2: forty yards be anyone but Lil Jordan Humphrey, and I
- 7:15Speaker 2: still win it. Instead. I blew out third place and
- 7:18Speaker 2: finished by like three to five points whatever it was
- 7:20Speaker 2: to first, and they had CMC, so even in that
- 7:22Speaker 2: other game, I couldn't get it back with CMC. There
- 7:24Speaker 2: was no way to unblock it. It was the thirty three
- 7:26Speaker 2: dollars FFWC. I digress. We're onto the next one Sunday evening.
- 7:32Speaker 3: I think it's still great.
- 7:33Speaker 2: It's pretty gross. It's like a one percent out come, literally,
- 7:35Speaker 2: but who cares. The other part is Sunday night. I'm
- 7:39Speaker 2: still thankful. Forty K is nice. But Giant Squid, who
- 7:42Speaker 2: won the Millionmaker last week the Millionmaker this week already
- 7:45Speaker 2: was having himself a good day on FanDuel or on draftings,
- 7:47Speaker 2: winning the Millionmaker two live final seats and congrats dam
- 7:50Speaker 2: he's the man, one of the best players out there.
- 7:52Speaker 2: But I had Disley. He did not. Disley dropped a
- 7:56Speaker 2: five yard catch which was basically the second last play
- 7:59Speaker 2: of the game, which would have shot me in the
- 8:01Speaker 2: first for two hundred K. So I got forty K.
- 8:04Speaker 2: Would have been two hundred again, could have changed it
- 8:06Speaker 2: all and made it all go away. But still a
- 8:08Speaker 2: very good day, my friend, and we can move on.
- 8:09Speaker 2: But it was a fun week, and I think we're
- 8:11Speaker 2: going to talk about that when we get to the
- 8:12Speaker 2: Listener League review, because there was a lot to take
- 8:15Speaker 2: away from how last week was being handled, And I
- 8:17Speaker 2: know you said pre show, so maybe you could talk
- 8:19Speaker 2: more about it here while I blow this up. You
- 8:21Speaker 2: had a really good it was sort of the best
- 8:22Speaker 2: you felt all season, even though you had a really
- 8:24Speaker 2: good season. Why was that and how can you apply
- 8:27Speaker 2: it to looking at this line?
- 8:28Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I mean, it wasn't that like I
- 8:30Speaker 4: had takes last week that you know, I was on
- 8:32Speaker 4: different games or different plays than everybody else. I just
- 8:35Speaker 4: saw a really easy pivot, you know, like you know me,
- 8:37Speaker 4: I'm a Jamas slut. So most of my best line
- 8:40Speaker 4: ups were built Aroun Jamis lineups. But everybody was wanting
- 8:42Speaker 4: to jump on Tillman right, Everybody was wanting to jump
- 8:44Speaker 4: onto Joku, and it just seemed like Jerry Judy was
- 8:47Speaker 4: the one that was most due for the breakout, so
- 8:49Speaker 4: I was way heavier on Judy. And then as a runback,
- 8:52Speaker 4: of course, everybody was wanting to do Kamara as the
- 8:54Speaker 4: run back, and I just didn't understand why why our
- 8:57Speaker 4: dude Taysom Hill wasn't getting more love. So I have
- 8:59Speaker 4: plenty of Taysom Hill is my run back. Because of
- 9:01Speaker 4: course you need to Taystoon or you need a Jameis
- 9:04Speaker 4: Winston run back because we want him playing from behind.
- 9:06Speaker 4: And when you just have that little shell right there,
- 9:08Speaker 4: you really could mix in whatever pieces you want and
- 9:11Speaker 4: get there. And that was what I was thinking. I mean, hell,
- 9:14Speaker 4: this guy right here, the winner, I like his lineup
- 9:18Speaker 4: right Like I had a rule that said that my
- 9:19Speaker 4: lineup either needed to Channer Hill because I like them.
- 9:23Speaker 4: He went and got plenty of that Cleveland, New Orleans
- 9:26Speaker 4: game and then he went double tight End. And let's
- 9:28Speaker 4: face it, for like the last four weeks, double tight
- 9:29Speaker 4: End's kind of been a play.
- 9:31Speaker 2: Yeah, it has been. Certainly we'll talk a little bit more.
- 9:34Speaker 3: Ye, I love the breeze Hall.
- 9:35Speaker 4: I love the breeze Hall pivot off of all of
- 9:37Speaker 4: the running back chalk up there.
- 9:39Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 9:40Speaker 2: And so just interestingly enough in this one was able
- 9:43Speaker 2: to escape the San Francisco side of things again. Two
- 9:45Speaker 2: o nine won the big guy here, which was amazing,
- 9:48Speaker 2: and shout out to the winner, but just saying like
- 9:50Speaker 2: two twenty nine is kind of what you needed, or
- 9:51Speaker 2: a little bit more to thirty three or something for
- 9:53Speaker 2: the Milli maker. So just off there, But in general,
- 9:56Speaker 2: the concept was if everyone was playing CMC, you could
- 10:00Speaker 2: went to Jennings instead. He did not need him here,
- 10:02Speaker 2: just saying if everyone was playing Jacoby Myers, okay, I'll
- 10:06Speaker 2: play Bowers. If everyone's playing a Chan, let me do
- 10:08Speaker 2: it with Tua, Tyreek and John Newsmith. And if everyone's
- 10:11Speaker 2: playing Kamara, let me play one of Valdez scaling or
- 10:14Speaker 2: obviously in the end, the ultimate pivot here would have
- 10:17Speaker 2: been to get to somehow get you know, two tight
- 10:19Speaker 2: ends already, but to taste them. But funny enough, I
- 10:21Speaker 2: got my notes from last week, and I'm not checking
- 10:23Speaker 2: notes for he sucks, because I'm checking it for what
- 10:26Speaker 2: you talked about last week, and a lot of it
- 10:27Speaker 2: was Tua Hill, a Chan Smith. He's got all four
- 10:31Speaker 2: of those in his lineup. You talked about Myers or
- 10:33Speaker 2: Bowers in that game. He's got Bowers. You talked about
- 10:37Speaker 2: May Henry one Ram, got none of that in there.
- 10:40Speaker 2: Talk about Winston, Judy Tillman, He's got Judy, and you
- 10:44Speaker 2: had Taysom and Camara as something that I wrote down,
- 10:47Speaker 2: and then the very bottom, I've got Bryce Hill, Breesce
- 10:51Speaker 2: Hall pivot sorry after Taysom Hill, So talk about being
- 10:54Speaker 2: on point from the first look show again. Just you
- 10:56Speaker 2: guys were here last week. Can't make the shit up.
- 10:58Speaker 2: Those are the notes, we took them down, making them
- 11:00Speaker 2: down again this week. Anything else you want to add.
- 11:02Speaker 2: I just felt like last week really was the true
- 11:04Speaker 2: we're all in the right spot, you're all in the
- 11:06Speaker 2: wrong places, and it's just pure leverage. Just pick the
- 11:09Speaker 2: other guy. Kamara, Taysom h N, John u Myers, Bowers, Tillman, Judy,
- 11:15Speaker 2: Like everywhere you were was the same guy in the
- 11:17Speaker 2: same place, different guy.
- 11:19Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I wish it worked that nicely every week.
- 11:21Speaker 3: That would be my final thoughts.
- 11:22Speaker 4: It doesn't always doesn't always work like that, but when
- 11:25Speaker 4: you get those weeks where it does and you're on it,
- 11:27Speaker 4: it usually plays very nice dividends.
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- 12:43Speaker 2: the community. Anything else you want to talk about before
- 12:45Speaker 2: we get into these How many games of this week?
- 12:47Speaker 2: Ten games?
- 12:48Speaker 3: Ten game. We got a ten games slate, all.
- 12:50Speaker 2: Right, anything else you got If not, we can hop
- 12:52Speaker 2: in two.
- 12:53Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say it's a good time to get
- 12:54Speaker 3: into NFL.
- 12:55Speaker 4: I mean, these last you know, seven to eight weeks,
- 12:57Speaker 4: depending on how much of the playoffs you play, I
- 12:59Speaker 4: think are the best. I think people are getting tired
- 13:01Speaker 4: of going through the motions and you know, over a chip,
- 13:04Speaker 4: I think we had probably our best week of the
- 13:05Speaker 4: year just because like we're not slowing down, you know,
- 13:09Speaker 4: and it's not just me and Tambo. Just go look
- 13:10Speaker 4: at those little things we send out of all of
- 13:11Speaker 4: our members when and Jay Bannock went like a bajillion
- 13:14Speaker 4: dollars this week. We just got a lot of members
- 13:16Speaker 4: who are doing great because I think they're still locking
- 13:18Speaker 4: in and still have great tools this time of year.
- 13:20Speaker 3: So I'm not ready to shut down NFL just quite yet.
- 13:22Speaker 2: Oh we're just getting started. Maybe that's what I the
- 13:24Speaker 2: chat was just saying. I said, thanks to everybody all
- 13:26Speaker 2: that you're we're knocking on the door. You're knocking on
- 13:28Speaker 2: it until you bust through it. You know, the age
- 13:31Speaker 2: old it's funny. The stone, the mantra of the stone.
- 13:34Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you've followed this stuff too much.
- 13:36Speaker 2: But two golfers, both Xander and Max Holma, have talked
- 13:39Speaker 2: about it. Xander when he won his first major that
- 13:41Speaker 2: he used the stone mantra of like the same thing
- 13:43Speaker 2: Max Holme has talked about in the past, where it's
- 13:46Speaker 2: the old the guy with the axe or whatever, the
- 13:48Speaker 2: pick and he's got the stone and you got to
- 13:50Speaker 2: break through it. And he's saying, it's not the first hundred.
- 13:53Speaker 2: He breaks through it finally on the one hundred and
- 13:55Speaker 2: first try, but it's not the one hundred and first try,
- 13:57Speaker 2: it's the hundred that came before.
- 13:58Speaker 3: Right.
- 13:58Speaker 2: You're putting your time in, you're putting your process, you're
- 14:01Speaker 2: building it, you're playing through it. Some guys do get
- 14:04Speaker 2: lucky and just walk in guys or girls and smash
- 14:05Speaker 2: it and it breaks not very often though, and then
- 14:08Speaker 2: they're probably not likely to ever do that again, versus
- 14:10Speaker 2: when you do it the other way seems like the
- 14:12Speaker 2: hard way, but it's a bigger dragon that you're slaying
- 14:14Speaker 2: later on, you're getting the process down and you're learning
- 14:17Speaker 2: your way through. So lots that can be taken away
- 14:19Speaker 2: from the stone in general. Let's talk about this first
- 14:21Speaker 2: game you know something I'm gonna say, stonewalled on here
- 14:24Speaker 2: is the never Mahomes. But you can talk about it
- 14:27Speaker 2: again for everyone trying to make it work. Mahomes at
- 14:29Speaker 2: the Panthers probably the best spot they'll see all season,
- 14:32Speaker 2: big boy total, great team to go up against, awesome matchup,
- 14:35Speaker 2: but it's a good rush matchup as well. So what's
- 14:37Speaker 2: your thoughts on this game?
- 14:39Speaker 3: I think the people are going to struggle to stay
- 14:40Speaker 3: away from Mahomes.
- 14:41Speaker 4: If he doesn't get at least seven or eight percent
- 14:43Speaker 4: this week, I'll be shocked, just because, like people hear
- 14:45Speaker 4: the Panthers, they auto just think worst defense in the NFL.
- 14:48Speaker 4: And I don't even know that that's an incorrect assumption.
- 14:50Speaker 4: It's just the problem with Mahomes is, as always, it's
- 14:53Speaker 4: who the hell are you stacking with? Are they even
- 14:56Speaker 4: going to be aggressive on offense? And who the hell
- 14:57Speaker 4: do you run it back with? And that's like three
- 14:59Speaker 4: problem that I don't like to have when I'm trying
- 15:01Speaker 4: to pick my games. I'm a big fan of picking
- 15:03Speaker 4: game environments. Right that New Orleans versus Cleveland, I just
- 15:06Speaker 4: love that game environment. I wanted to get pieces in
- 15:08Speaker 4: that game, and this just doesn't feel like a game
- 15:11Speaker 4: environment I want to get into. When I've already pointed
- 15:12Speaker 4: out those three major issues I have with the game,
- 15:15Speaker 4: and I don't care how bad the Panthers defense is,
- 15:17Speaker 4: it still doesn't fix the fact that I don't know
- 15:19Speaker 4: who the hell Mahomes is gonna.
- 15:20Speaker 3: Throw to or if they're even going to be aggressive.
- 15:23Speaker 2: What about this? Is Pacheco do to come back this week?
- 15:26Speaker 4: Yes, I've heard, I've heard he is likely to play.
- 15:28Speaker 4: Are they gonna ramp him up? That's the biggest question?
- 15:30Speaker 4: Or is he gonna be out there getting a full
- 15:32Speaker 4: A full Load's that's the real question.
- 15:35Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I want to know, because that's We'll
- 15:37Speaker 2: wait for more on that again. Maybe that picks up
- 15:39Speaker 2: steam by the end of the week. I'm sticking to
- 15:41Speaker 2: Never Mahomes what I do. It's not a bit I
- 15:43Speaker 2: stand by it. But I know this week that if
- 15:45Speaker 2: I was playing Mahomes, So if you can't get to
- 15:48Speaker 2: my level and you want to play that level and
- 15:50Speaker 2: my level meaning of playing going never Mahomes, I think
- 15:52Speaker 2: what you should do is playing Mahomes and Kelsey and
- 15:56Speaker 2: call it a day. No matter what happens. It's not
- 15:58Speaker 2: that it's that much likely that it's gonna be Kelsey
- 16:01Speaker 2: over somebody else. It's like you said, you never know
- 16:02Speaker 2: who it's gonna be with the Chiefs, same with the Bills,
- 16:05Speaker 2: same with some of these other teams. But you do
- 16:07Speaker 2: have to fill out a tight end position slot anyway,
- 16:10Speaker 2: so you may as well do it with the guy
- 16:11Speaker 2: attached to your quarterback if you're going to go this route.
- 16:13Speaker 2: But just be aware that you could end up seeing
- 16:15Speaker 2: a game where it's, you know, two ma homes touchdowns
- 16:18Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty yards, one of them goes to
- 16:20Speaker 2: Kelsey and you're like, see it came through, and then
- 16:23Speaker 2: it's still nowhere near a winning or optimal type lineup
- 16:27Speaker 2: that you need to take down a GPP. It's just
- 16:29Speaker 2: good numbers. He puts up good numbers. It's he's not
- 16:31Speaker 2: putting up GPP winning numbers until he does. But I've
- 16:34Speaker 2: been pretty good the first eighty seven times. He didn't
- 16:37Speaker 2: cost me money. So when he loses it for me,
- 16:39Speaker 2: so be it good for him and move on and
- 16:41Speaker 2: still never play him again. I got nothing on the
- 16:43Speaker 2: Panthers side. I actually wonder, though, just interestingly enough, if
- 16:46Speaker 2: by the end of the week Panthers D gets any
- 16:50Speaker 2: steam at all at twenty two hundred, just because you
- 16:51Speaker 2: never see a D lower than I think twenty three.
- 16:54Speaker 2: And sometimes people just do play the minimum and say,
- 16:57Speaker 2: hopefully he can make a mistake or two if it
- 16:58Speaker 2: lets me fit everything else into my life. I don't
- 17:00Speaker 2: think it'll pick up steam because we'll look at some
- 17:02Speaker 2: of these other cheap options, but just the thought there
- 17:04Speaker 2: anything else in this game if not take us into
- 17:06Speaker 2: Vikings Bears.
- 17:08Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this, I will warn you. I just
- 17:09Speaker 4: glanced at the slate and it did not look like
- 17:11Speaker 4: a slate full of great environments. So there's gonna be
- 17:13Speaker 4: a lot of shitting on games here. The Vikings Bears game, man,
- 17:17Speaker 4: I mean the Bears implied totals only eighteen at home.
- 17:21Speaker 3: Their offense just seems broken. You know.
- 17:23Speaker 4: I know they're going through a lot of changes there
- 17:24Speaker 4: right now. But Caleb just, you know, he's just he
- 17:27Speaker 4: kind of you know, he had those three good weeks
- 17:29Speaker 4: there where I think he was playing some pretty marginal
- 17:30Speaker 4: defenses and other than that, he's kind of looked booty.
- 17:33Speaker 4: And when you know now that you've got Roshan Johnson
- 17:35Speaker 4: basically taking forty percent of the snaps from DeAndre Swift.
- 17:38Speaker 3: I think he's becoming unplayable.
- 17:40Speaker 4: There's no way, I'm you know, at least the Bears
- 17:42Speaker 4: wide receivers are finally getting priced where they should be
- 17:44Speaker 4: versus versus their you know, lack of stats. And then
- 17:49Speaker 4: over on the Viking side, everybody keeps playing justin Jefferson
- 17:52Speaker 4: waiting for that big game. But is this gonna be
- 17:53Speaker 4: one of those seasons where he literally just never clips
- 17:55Speaker 4: thirty points? Like is his ceiling twenty five points? It's
- 17:58Speaker 4: kind of starting to feel like that, like he just
- 17:59Speaker 4: never is having those monster games. And at the Bears
- 18:03Speaker 4: and mid November, who actually have a pretty good pass
- 18:05Speaker 4: defense doesn't seem like the place where he's gonna get
- 18:07Speaker 4: loose either. So once again I'm left with this game, like,
- 18:10Speaker 4: who the hell do I want to play in this game?
- 18:13Speaker 2: Yeah?
- 18:13Speaker 5: This was interesting, back to the previous one, Like obviously,
- 18:16Speaker 5: that's the whole point is, don't know how much run,
- 18:18Speaker 5: Like Djen said, how much run he's gonna get Chiefs
- 18:21Speaker 5: d I guess you could have played as well, but
- 18:22Speaker 5: thirty nine hundred, by the way, so you know, it
- 18:25Speaker 5: takes a lot for that to happen.
- 18:26Speaker 2: We out to see Ifo's other value. But you're justin Jefferson.
- 18:28Speaker 2: Thing is bang on. I've been talking about that all season.
- 18:30Speaker 2: At least he's coming down slowly, Like I think he
- 18:32Speaker 2: started at eighty eight. Now he's down to eighty one.
- 18:34Speaker 2: I think it's what you said, though it's more he's
- 18:37Speaker 2: it's not him as a receiver. Him and Jamar Chay's
- 18:39Speaker 2: best to in the league.
- 18:40Speaker 3: For me.
- 18:40Speaker 2: I know, I'MNRA wants some flowers and everybody else too,
- 18:43Speaker 2: and there's other guys. But I'm just saying I get it.
- 18:45Speaker 2: But game environment matters, not just for dfs, for the
- 18:48Speaker 2: player as well. And what's even in his best games
- 18:50Speaker 2: this season, it's because there was no game environment to
- 18:53Speaker 2: hold up the other end of the bargain. He would
- 18:54Speaker 2: get you twenty points in the first half and then
- 18:56Speaker 2: finish at twenty three or something because he gets in.
- 18:59Speaker 2: It's great, he still gets open. But how often do
- 19:02Speaker 2: they have to keep that up? And is Caleb Williams
- 19:04Speaker 2: and this Bears team gonna be the team to keep
- 19:06Speaker 2: that up and make it happen. I don't know. And
- 19:07Speaker 2: it's in Chicago, it's not in Minnesota in the Dome
- 19:10Speaker 2: all these other factors. That makes it a bit tricky
- 19:12Speaker 2: picking between the Addisons, the other guys, the O Hawkinson back.
- 19:15Speaker 2: All these things makes it a little bit tougher. So
- 19:17Speaker 2: I actually don't have a lot of interest here early
- 19:20Speaker 2: either would you have any interest in the Vikings D
- 19:22Speaker 2: versus Caleb Williams at all or the Bears D versus
- 19:25Speaker 2: Sam Darnald.
- 19:25Speaker 4: But I don't usually go above like thirty one hundred
- 19:28Speaker 4: or so when I'm spinning on my defense. So like
- 19:29Speaker 4: when I see thirty four hundred, it's like, well, I
- 19:31Speaker 4: could really upgrade somewhere else instead of spending that extra
- 19:34Speaker 4: three hundred there. I kind of treat defenses as like
- 19:36Speaker 4: anything over thirty one hundred, it really makes me cringey.
- 19:39Speaker 2: I might not be afraid of the Bears D, not
- 19:41Speaker 2: expecting Donald to revert back to two weeks ago throwing
- 19:44Speaker 2: all the picks. But if my point is always this,
- 19:46Speaker 2: if you land in this range, you need a value defense,
- 19:49Speaker 2: and you're not on the Minnesota guys anyway, I got
- 19:52Speaker 2: no problem just playing a defense in Chicago sometimes gonna
- 19:55Speaker 2: be a tough spot to go into, depending and just
- 19:57Speaker 2: playing a D there and hoping it works out again.
- 19:59Speaker 2: Defense a crapshoot. Also other note on Chicago, everybody wanted
- 20:03Speaker 2: them last week for the Big Boys six points or
- 20:05Speaker 2: four points or whatever it is they got, so maybe
- 20:07Speaker 2: it's a better spot to go back to them as well.
- 20:09Speaker 2: Hawkinson could be a guy and just back to Corb
- 20:12Speaker 2: and I don't want to beat a dead horse here,
- 20:14Speaker 2: but that's this is what sells people on it every
- 20:16Speaker 2: week for the last lifetime that people have sold themselves
- 20:18Speaker 2: on it. It's all but his options got cheaper, and
- 20:21Speaker 2: then they're wondering why Justin Watson and Juju Smith Schuster
- 20:24Speaker 2: have touchdowns and oh there's Noah Gray looks like Kelsey
- 20:27Speaker 2: but it's not. So Yeah, you can do it all
- 20:29Speaker 2: you want. You have to commit a lot of lineups
- 20:31Speaker 2: to it, and a lot of them will be dead
- 20:32Speaker 2: pretty quick when it doesn't work out. So moving on,
- 20:35Speaker 2: I can see what you're saying now about this slate.
- 20:37Speaker 2: At least you get to talk about a team that
- 20:39Speaker 2: we saw last night though, the Texans. I thought that
- 20:41Speaker 2: there's some interesting stuff to take away from that game
- 20:43Speaker 2: and maybe bring to this one. But last night was
- 20:45Speaker 2: the Joe Mixon Show. He is eight k here not
- 20:49Speaker 2: the worst Rundee not the best, but any thoughts on
- 20:52Speaker 2: this one. They are eight point home favorites with a
- 20:54Speaker 2: big boy twenty five point total against the Titans here
- 20:57Speaker 2: for Houston Texans, yeah.
- 20:58Speaker 4: I mean the Texans offense is definitely better. Just have
- 21:00Speaker 4: a Nico Collins, right, just having him out on the
- 21:02Speaker 4: field just completely changes their offense. You know, just just
- 21:05Speaker 4: because I've told you this, this is a really gross slate.
- 21:07Speaker 3: So I think C J.
- 21:08Speaker 4: Stroud is one of the early stats you got to consider.
- 21:10Speaker 4: Nico could have went ham last night. You know, he
- 21:13Speaker 4: had the big touchdown call back he had, you know,
- 21:15Speaker 4: he trapped one for like twenty five yards, So it
- 21:17Speaker 4: could have been a monster game last night for Nico.
- 21:20Speaker 4: He's a guy that will almost certainly be in my
- 21:22Speaker 4: lineup with that big total at home. I love the
- 21:24Speaker 4: Texans at home when they have Nico, their offense is
- 21:26Speaker 4: really good. And Joe Mixon, man, that guy he is having.
- 21:29Speaker 4: He's having, like quietly like one of the best seasons
- 21:31Speaker 4: in the NFL. So it's gonna be really hard to
- 21:32Speaker 4: fade him. Problem is, I'm not super excited to run
- 21:35Speaker 4: it back with any of these Texans. I played a
- 21:37Speaker 4: little ridley this last week. You know, I guess I
- 21:39Speaker 4: could go there. He seems like he's gonna have like
- 21:41Speaker 4: three big weeks this year. You just hope to hit him.
- 21:43Speaker 4: He seems like he's already had two of them, though,
- 21:45Speaker 4: So are you gonna hit the last one?
- 21:46Speaker 3: I'm not sure?
- 21:47Speaker 2: What about Westbrook and Kina? He has a big week
- 21:50Speaker 2: every week, doesn't he?
- 21:51Speaker 3: No, that's so sad stop as good as what I
- 21:54Speaker 3: was going to say.
- 21:55Speaker 2: Besides that you already led me into that one was
- 21:58Speaker 2: The Texans is a little bit different than me, for mint,
- 22:00Speaker 2: so because it's the flip side, right, they also have
- 22:02Speaker 2: a bigger total, bigger favorite. They're gonna put up points
- 22:04Speaker 2: some way, shape or form. If the Titans want to
- 22:07Speaker 2: try and stop the run, they can, and then it
- 22:09Speaker 2: could lead to these guys like Collins and Dell and
- 22:12Speaker 2: Mechi and then being wide open. So it's hard to
- 22:15Speaker 2: get Stroud right. But you know, and he's not much
- 22:17Speaker 2: cheaper than you know, playing the Mahome stuff. But you
- 22:21Speaker 2: said it yourself, like with the Collins thing last night
- 22:23Speaker 2: that you see and you know, setting it up that way,
- 22:26Speaker 2: I guess my takeaway would be one, it's inside in Houston.
- 22:29Speaker 2: I like that better, bigger team total, bigger spread. And
- 22:31Speaker 2: then also if you have Westbrook, a Keene or Ridley
- 22:35Speaker 2: or someone from the other side, I'm not gonna try
- 22:36Speaker 2: and figure it out. But if it is one of
- 22:38Speaker 2: them that keeps you going and pushes this game a
- 22:41Speaker 2: little bit, you do have an opportunity for it to
- 22:43Speaker 2: heat up quick and then you get a bit of
- 22:45Speaker 2: a better game environment. So not sure how I'll handle
- 22:47Speaker 2: mix and just yet an eight K. Maybe that keeps
- 22:50Speaker 2: some people off, maybe it doesn't, But definitely think the
- 22:52Speaker 2: Houston side is at least somewhat interesting, at least from
- 22:55Speaker 2: the first six teams we looked at so far.
- 22:57Speaker 3: Yep, for sure.
- 22:59Speaker 2: All right, so let's go Lions at the Colts. Not
- 23:02Speaker 2: quite a thirty point team total this week, just twenty nine.
- 23:05Speaker 2: Like they're just dominant right now, do them whatever they want.
- 23:08Speaker 2: How do you think this one gets handled?
- 23:10Speaker 4: You know, the first half of that game, I was
- 23:11Speaker 4: feeling so smart because I always say every week with
- 23:13Speaker 4: the Lions, I'm just not gonna play him and hope
- 23:14Speaker 4: everybody gets like one touchdown, right, And I swear to God,
- 23:17Speaker 4: in the first half of that game, every single point
- 23:19Speaker 4: was like Gibbs got his, Montgomery got his, Omanrog got his,
- 23:21Speaker 4: Williams got his, Brockwright got his. I was like, this
- 23:24Speaker 4: is perfect, no one's going off. But they just kept
- 23:26Speaker 4: doing it the whole second half, and by the end,
- 23:28Speaker 4: you know, you ended up having Jared Goff getting up
- 23:30Speaker 4: to like what thirty eight, and you had Omorog getting
- 23:32Speaker 4: to forty two.
- 23:33Speaker 3: It was just insane. It's it's there.
- 23:35Speaker 4: They're so crazy that that, Like I, you know, the
- 23:38Speaker 4: Colts aren't any good at defense, so maybe it's just
- 23:40Speaker 4: another week to run four or five Lions in a lineup,
- 23:42Speaker 4: run it back with one Colt and just hope this
- 23:44Speaker 4: is another fifty two to twenty one game. And I
- 23:47Speaker 4: think that that could get there because these Lions offense,
- 23:49Speaker 4: I mean, it truly seems unstoppable right now.
- 23:52Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to say that too. A couple
- 23:53Speaker 2: a couple things. First off, just going back to that
- 23:55Speaker 2: previous game, shut up throw a guy, Billy, great dude,
- 23:57Speaker 2: always bringing the good little tidbits. In love to see this,
- 23:59Speaker 2: But know any thoughts on that one because it has
- 24:02Speaker 2: been you know, we bring up these stats and I
- 24:04Speaker 2: was in the sample sized guy, but obviously in an NFL.
- 24:06Speaker 2: It's a small sample no matter what for the current
- 24:08Speaker 2: season at hand, so I get where the stats come from.
- 24:11Speaker 2: Try to give Mayo a little shit on that last
- 24:12Speaker 2: week too when he called me out on it, but
- 24:13Speaker 2: I didn't quite get to get my words in. But
- 24:15Speaker 2: just to note this one would be he actually did
- 24:18Speaker 2: play against really good They actually have played against really
- 24:20Speaker 2: good wide receivers. So anything to add just on that thought.
- 24:24Speaker 4: No, I mean that sounds like a pretty good slate.
- 24:26Speaker 4: I'm all about trying to look for I always look
- 24:29Speaker 4: for reasons to fade totals like that.
- 24:31Speaker 3: So I'm in. I'm in, Billy will fade them. Fuck them?
- 24:34Speaker 2: Does it matter that it's like, you know, Darnald Goff,
- 24:38Speaker 2: who we just big up. We'll go to again here
- 24:40Speaker 2: in a second. I'll talk more on it, Aaron Rodgers,
- 24:43Speaker 2: Jordan Love Probably. I don't know if it was two
- 24:45Speaker 2: or if it was the backup in there. Does that
- 24:47Speaker 2: type of stuff matter too, That we got Stroud?
- 24:49Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Straut is a little bit better than
- 24:51Speaker 4: those guys when he has his weapons and when he's
- 24:53Speaker 4: at home, so I think that definitely needs to be
- 24:54Speaker 4: factored in. All Right, I'm starting to see some games
- 24:57Speaker 4: down here that are tickling my fancy a little bit
- 24:59Speaker 4: more though, So yeah, and I.
- 25:00Speaker 2: Do want to bring I was tying this into the
- 25:01Speaker 2: Lions conversation, you kind of hit it already, so I
- 25:03Speaker 2: just want to say quickly, but you know, this is
- 25:06Speaker 2: getting closer now to the time of year. I would
- 25:08Speaker 2: say it's normally like the first December, but it's close
- 25:10Speaker 2: enough now that you can look into this stuff. But
- 25:11Speaker 2: it's also the smaller slates, like this is ten, not
- 25:14Speaker 2: fourteen or thirteen games. So we saw it last week.
- 25:17Speaker 2: And the funny thing on the Takedown breakdown yesterday was
- 25:19Speaker 2: how many people popped in the chat and were like,
- 25:21Speaker 2: the oversight or the hindsight of Detroit was like a
- 25:25Speaker 2: slam dunk on that slate and we just ignored it
- 25:27Speaker 2: to try and make all these other things work. Why
- 25:29Speaker 2: didn't we think of playing it more? And even myself,
- 25:31Speaker 2: it got me there, but it wasn't like it was
- 25:33Speaker 2: a large majority of my player pool dedicated. I had
- 25:36Speaker 2: five quarterbacks, I was on more than golf. It was
- 25:38Speaker 2: just the golf lineups that found their way through and
- 25:40Speaker 2: had the right roster construction, and they went off the
- 25:43Speaker 2: Jared go off lineups that I talked about, So it happened.
- 25:46Speaker 2: But does that is that something you'll factor in now
- 25:48Speaker 2: too in just pure game environment, weather and totals and
- 25:52Speaker 2: stuff when you're down to ten games.
- 25:53Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I mean this, this game honestly seems
- 25:55Speaker 3: too good. I'm telling you.
- 25:56Speaker 4: The Colts they had a little bit of life to
- 25:57Speaker 4: them last week, and if they can get if they
- 25:59Speaker 4: can push the pace at all, we know the Lions
- 26:01Speaker 4: don't even need to be pushed.
- 26:02Speaker 3: They're just gonna continue to score.
- 26:04Speaker 4: So if you can get twenty one out of the
- 26:05Speaker 4: Colts and get the Lions to get you know, just
- 26:07Speaker 4: keep going ham at thirty eight, there's gonna be so
- 26:09Speaker 4: many points scored that if you can just pick the
- 26:11Speaker 4: right Lions and the right Colts.
- 26:12Speaker 3: This definitely seems like the best.
- 26:14Speaker 4: Environment, and I don't think it's one that this week
- 26:16Speaker 4: I can just set out on the Lions like I
- 26:17Speaker 4: have been doing all year.
- 26:19Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to go collect bringing his tidbits in
- 26:21Speaker 2: as well, like to see this. You know, the Breese
- 26:23Speaker 2: Hall thing last week, that was the thing we noted
- 26:25Speaker 2: yesterday and the takedown breakdown. We used the tools to
- 26:27Speaker 2: pull it back up and try and show people where
- 26:29Speaker 2: we're getting some of these thoughts. And Aaron Rodgers, I
- 26:32Speaker 2: think you called it out best because it was people
- 26:34Speaker 2: like whop myself and title We're like, oh, well, we
- 26:36Speaker 2: got to go back to this well, and we were
- 26:38Speaker 2: the losers going back to the well when it was
- 26:40Speaker 2: really the same matchup for Breese Hall, but nobody wanted him.
- 26:43Speaker 2: Why not just roll there? And if I had it
- 26:44Speaker 2: went back to my first look notes, I might've had
- 26:46Speaker 2: a lot more Breese Hall because of that. So I'll
- 26:48Speaker 2: keep that in mind for this week. But go collect
- 26:50Speaker 2: brings up Jamior Gibbs. If everyone's gonna now hop on
- 26:53Speaker 2: the golf passing game, but I think you'll still be
- 26:55Speaker 2: able to get away with it. And to your point,
- 26:57Speaker 2: the overstack could be quite nice here. And this is
- 26:59Speaker 2: where you get a quick one game versus one game,
- 27:01Speaker 2: one v one game scenario of like why make the
- 27:04Speaker 2: Texans work and hope the Titans keep up when you
- 27:07Speaker 2: can make the Lions work easily and actually feel really
- 27:11Speaker 2: good that the Colts can keep up. And it's also
- 27:14Speaker 2: indoors in a dome with some pushback and Richardson looked
- 27:17Speaker 2: good last week. You were all over that you played
- 27:18Speaker 2: them naked even in some lineups made sense, and I
- 27:21Speaker 2: believe your exact words were again over at the community
- 27:23Speaker 2: at ship A Nation. I think he's just gonna be
- 27:25Speaker 2: able to do a pretty good day through the air
- 27:28Speaker 2: and probably run in two touchdowns exactly what he did,
- 27:31Speaker 2: and it was the same or better. I think was
- 27:33Speaker 2: better actually than Brock Perdy, who was the example you
- 27:35Speaker 2: gave it towards him. We're like, he could just beat him.
- 27:37Speaker 2: And that's why I'm fine doing it. Even if I'm
- 27:39Speaker 2: playing CMC and Jennings or something like that. You don't
- 27:42Speaker 2: need to go to Purdy. I can play a guy
- 27:44Speaker 2: like Anthony Richardson, have no idea and then just pick
- 27:47Speaker 2: my guy in some and you use Josh down. So
- 27:50Speaker 2: anything else on this indie Detroit game you want to
- 27:51Speaker 2: talk about, I think we found our first good spot.
- 27:53Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it'd be foolish to fade
- 27:55Speaker 4: this game environment. That's my first thought.
- 27:57Speaker 2: Okay, And I want to also say, just because the
- 27:59Speaker 2: first look show, let's remember at the end if if
- 28:02Speaker 2: not Chack r Remidy, just to circle back, I want
- 28:04Speaker 2: to just do a sort of memory bank here of Okay,
- 28:07Speaker 2: we know it's the best we've seen so far, but
- 28:09Speaker 2: is it the best we see overall? And I haven't
- 28:11Speaker 2: skipped ahead to look at everything yet. It's obviously perfectly
- 28:13Speaker 2: fine to do that. But I mean, we're onto the
- 28:15Speaker 2: Patriots Dolphins. I'll let you take it. But I would
- 28:18Speaker 2: definitely still like Detroit, Indy more than this, and I
- 28:20Speaker 2: think most will as well, So no surprise, But how
- 28:22Speaker 2: are you handling this next game?
- 28:24Speaker 4: I mean a lot of value here, right, Dolphins at
- 28:26Speaker 4: home I'm always in. I just have a rule that
- 28:28Speaker 4: when the Dolphins are home, I'm always I will usually
- 28:31Speaker 4: set a rule in the ship Tomizer that Hill or
- 28:34Speaker 4: a Chant has to be in the lineup, because you
- 28:36Speaker 4: almost one of them almost always goes off.
- 28:38Speaker 3: Right.
- 28:39Speaker 4: They both had solid weeks last week, they didn't break
- 28:41Speaker 4: the slate, But the Dolphins at home, I'm just always
- 28:44Speaker 4: in on. And then the nice part about the Patriots
- 28:46Speaker 4: is I think the Patriots have an offense that's coming
- 28:48Speaker 4: to life, and they offer so many value plays that
- 28:50Speaker 4: I think even Drake may As as one of your
- 28:54Speaker 4: starting points could be it, especially if you can find
- 28:57Speaker 4: out which which wide receiver he's going to team up with,
- 28:59Speaker 4: And then you got two or three nice dolphin runbacks, right,
- 29:02Speaker 4: Even Jalen Waddles kind of do for like a three
- 29:04Speaker 4: percent owned week where he goes for thirty points.
- 29:07Speaker 2: Man, I gotta write that one down so people can
- 29:09Speaker 2: have one of the notes for free. I think it's
- 29:10Speaker 2: like may Waddle and then to me it's gotta be man.
- 29:15Speaker 2: I just feel like, no matter what, Pop Douglas or
- 29:18Speaker 2: Hunter Henry, so I'm gonna just make note of them
- 29:20Speaker 2: and come back to it. Like last week, the Boorn
- 29:22Speaker 2: thing was pretty obvious because everyone was playing no no.
- 29:25Speaker 2: Like the thing about last week that was so obvious
- 29:27Speaker 2: that people couldn't understand why people were talking about this
- 29:29Speaker 2: with Bourne was he'd already been involved in it throughout
- 29:33Speaker 2: the season. They let go of Taekwon Thornton earlier in
- 29:36Speaker 2: the week. If you were paying attention to news, it
- 29:37Speaker 2: was news that made stuff newsworthy, yet had nothing to
- 29:41Speaker 2: do with why people were considering Booty over on their team.
- 29:45Speaker 2: It was just there was no value on the site,
- 29:46Speaker 2: so people were naturally going there. But once Taykwon Thornton
- 29:49Speaker 2: was let go, completely healthy, which was what made the
- 29:52Speaker 2: news excuse saying he's pretty good. Wonder why they would
- 29:54Speaker 2: do that, and then they made kJ Osborne inactive. It
- 29:58Speaker 2: was like, damn, why the hell would you play this
- 30:00Speaker 2: guy when you could just play the other guy at
- 30:02Speaker 2: literally like one percent versus twenty percent. It was it
- 30:05Speaker 2: was just insane, right, So I like Henry. I think
- 30:08Speaker 2: the chat just mentioned at too Pop Douglas and I
- 30:10Speaker 2: was on Henry last week. He let people down a
- 30:12Speaker 2: little bit. He's still sitting around thirty nine. He was
- 30:14Speaker 2: thirty nine last week. He's four k here. The wattle
- 30:17Speaker 2: thing man very tough. He's been, you know, sort of
- 30:21Speaker 2: just pushed out of this thing. It's been John new
- 30:22Speaker 2: Smith who's taken over his role. But Tyreek's still there
- 30:25Speaker 2: at seventy two hundred. Let me ask you this, would
- 30:27Speaker 2: you rather play Tyreek Hill this week? If you're allowed
- 30:30Speaker 2: to choose multiple so it's more just a hypothetical, but
- 30:32Speaker 2: if you only could choose one Tyreek Hill at seventy
- 30:35Speaker 2: two hundred or Justin Jefferson at eighty one hundred.
- 30:38Speaker 3: Uh, Tyreek, Yeah, I think I'm not. I'm not. You know,
- 30:41Speaker 3: the risk thing I think is slowing him down.
- 30:43Speaker 4: But good game environment at home and give me the
- 30:46Speaker 4: thousand dollars savings I just, I just I have Tyreek
- 30:49Speaker 4: Hill at home, like you know, like emotional scars.
- 30:52Speaker 3: I just can't do it.
- 30:53Speaker 2: I want to ask one more thing, because it just
- 30:55Speaker 2: came up right back to the well on age Han
- 30:58Speaker 2: right for when people are liking the others, it is
- 31:00Speaker 2: right here, the rush d D, the rush d D.
- 31:03Speaker 2: That's the score. So you know, I mean you can
- 31:05Speaker 2: go right back to the well. He's only seventy five hundred.
- 31:07Speaker 2: How do you think the field handles this?
- 31:09Speaker 4: The uh?
- 31:10Speaker 2: You know, everyone thinks flop. Everyone will say flop leg,
- 31:12Speaker 2: not understanding that it can't be flop lag if everybody
- 31:15Speaker 2: hops right back on. Flop lag to me is always
- 31:18Speaker 2: when everyone goes completely the other way and then you
- 31:21Speaker 2: jump on like there's your your flop flag. You got
- 31:23Speaker 2: it when you didn't get it when everyone was on him,
- 31:26Speaker 2: You got it when everyone was off of him. Do
- 31:27Speaker 2: you think everyone jumps right back on in this matchup?
- 31:29Speaker 2: In this spot at home?
- 31:30Speaker 4: I think that this game will be middle of the
- 31:32Speaker 4: road popular. I don't think it's gonna be crazy. You're
- 31:33Speaker 4: not gonna see two at like fifteen percent or anything
- 31:35Speaker 4: like that. I think he'll probably be like eight and
- 31:37Speaker 4: there'll be some stacks. I think a Chan will be popular,
- 31:40Speaker 4: but outside of that, I don't think any anybody's gonna
- 31:42Speaker 4: get crazy owned in this game.
- 31:44Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree on all that. I was mostly talking
- 31:46Speaker 2: about just hn and as a one like as himself
- 31:48Speaker 2: because seven point favorites almost twenty seven point teen.
- 31:51Speaker 3: Total, He'll he'll be popular, He'll be over twenty percent
- 31:53Speaker 3: for sure.
- 31:54Speaker 2: Yeah. See, I think, yeah, I was exactly. We're on
- 31:56Speaker 2: the same wavelength here. I think that's what I was
- 31:57Speaker 2: gonna say is I'm pretty sure it's going to be
- 31:59Speaker 2: exactly that. Let's move on, go to this next game.
- 32:02Speaker 2: It's the Bucks at the Giants, and I think we
- 32:04Speaker 2: got news yesterday, right, it's gonna be a old Tommy
- 32:07Speaker 2: Demido at the Helm for those those New York Giants.
- 32:10Speaker 2: I don't know that's gonna fix anything, but they've been off,
- 32:13Speaker 2: Like I don't know how to take this game. I
- 32:15Speaker 2: really got to get your thoughts in it and then
- 32:16Speaker 2: have some time over the week to think about it.
- 32:17Speaker 2: But Giants at home versus the Buccaneers where you're at with.
- 32:20Speaker 4: This one, well, I'm pretty sure Mike Evans is gonna
- 32:22Speaker 4: be back. They've been aiming too kind of getting back
- 32:24Speaker 4: after this buy from his hamstring injury, which I think
- 32:26Speaker 4: makes the Bucks offense way better. You can already see
- 32:28Speaker 4: they have a twenty three point total, which is pretty nice,
- 32:31Speaker 4: and the Giants at home with a eighteen point total.
- 32:33Speaker 4: That doesn't sound very good. But when your quarterback's only
- 32:35Speaker 4: four thousand dollars, Andy has some weapons. I mean, we've
- 32:38Speaker 4: already seen slat and break the Slaton for us once
- 32:40Speaker 4: this year. We know how elite elite neighbors is, so
- 32:42Speaker 4: I mean they're not the worst to this is this
- 32:45Speaker 4: is a sneaky little game to probably get a cheap
- 32:47Speaker 4: stack in and be different because no one is going
- 32:50Speaker 4: to stack up this game.
- 32:51Speaker 3: I can promise you that.
- 32:53Speaker 2: So the chat's talking about it in the pricing because
- 32:55Speaker 2: of de Veto. And then also if you get some
- 32:58Speaker 2: of those cheaper pieces in, like the Slayton's and guys
- 33:01Speaker 2: like that, you can get a really cheap stack. And
- 33:04Speaker 2: it is you know as a four days ago it
- 33:06Speaker 2: was hopefully returning the you know he was seeing practicing yesterday.
- 33:10Speaker 2: This is Mike Evans I'm talking about to your original
- 33:12Speaker 2: point was week twelve after the bye and then that
- 33:14Speaker 2: they were hoping for and then practicing yesterday, So we'll
- 33:17Speaker 2: have to wait as the news goes on throughout the week.
- 33:19Speaker 2: But he is really cheap for what he is, especially
- 33:21Speaker 2: if he's back. I don't care what the matchup is.
- 33:23Speaker 2: That's a big boy, you know, two touchdown, one hundred
- 33:26Speaker 2: and twenty tight yard plus game that you can get.
- 33:29Speaker 2: How much do they ease him back in We won't know,
- 33:31Speaker 2: but I would pay to find out on a guy
- 33:33Speaker 2: like him in a matchup like this, especially if I'm
- 33:35Speaker 2: stacking it either side versus someone like Pacheco earlier on,
- 33:38Speaker 2: where it's like it's already him and Hunt. There's other
- 33:41Speaker 2: guys that Mahomes can throw to. Who knows what they're
- 33:43Speaker 2: gonna do in that matchup. This would be something where
- 33:45Speaker 2: I would pay to find out and take a little
- 33:47Speaker 2: bit of the risk. Anything else you want to add
- 33:48Speaker 2: with this game or any other thoughts that came to.
- 33:49Speaker 3: Mind, I don't think so, all right?
- 33:52Speaker 2: Moving on, Cowboys at the Commanders and the chat always
- 33:55Speaker 2: throws in it if there's something else, you know, if
- 33:57Speaker 2: Tracy's back, he mentioned de veto rush Thanksgiving game pay
- 34:02Speaker 2: per view.
- 34:03Speaker 3: Dogs are going crazy, man, someone knocked on the door.
- 34:05Speaker 3: They're not having it Amazon.
- 34:07Speaker 2: Maybe Amazon, probably probably.
- 34:10Speaker 3: I'm always ordering some shit.
- 34:12Speaker 2: Man, I got a quick gripe. I know it's not
- 34:14Speaker 2: anything to do with this show. But Amazon comes to
- 34:16Speaker 2: the door yesterday drops off one of my son's Christmas
- 34:19Speaker 2: presents with nothing on it. It's literally you can see
- 34:22Speaker 2: exactly what it is. It's like luckily he wasn't there
- 34:24Speaker 2: to check it out. But I'm like, they just slap
- 34:26Speaker 2: a sticker on the box. He's four years old. It's
- 34:29Speaker 2: like a little construction toy but it's bright yellow, you know,
- 34:32Speaker 2: dump trucks and back hoes and things like that, and
- 34:34Speaker 2: they just throw it on the thing like somebody gave
- 34:36Speaker 2: him a present, but it happens to have an Amazon
- 34:38Speaker 2: sticker with my wife's name on it. I was like,
- 34:40Speaker 2: you should tell them what's up, Like, don't they put
- 34:42Speaker 2: a little mask on this?
- 34:43Speaker 4: As some kids look at Tambo getting this Christmas shopping
- 34:45Speaker 4: done a full month early that of the year.
- 34:47Speaker 2: That's the that's missus Tamba.
- 34:49Speaker 3: Okay, there we go.
- 34:50Speaker 2: It does not have any Christmas shopping even started, let
- 34:53Speaker 2: alone done. And she'll she'll be the one that's picking
- 34:55Speaker 2: it all out anyway, and then it'll just be me
- 34:57Speaker 2: end up paying for it. But I think it's a
- 34:58Speaker 2: good setup. It's very fair. I can stay working like
- 35:01Speaker 2: I like to do, and that's the best thing. When
- 35:02Speaker 2: you got a good support system, you just keep it rolling.
- 35:05Speaker 2: I got nothing. Let's keep it rolling here. Cowboys at
- 35:07Speaker 2: Commander is the one I wanted to flip to you.
- 35:09Speaker 2: What's your thoughts on this? Your guy, Jayden Daniels.
- 35:12Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's gonna be pretty popular, but man, like,
- 35:15Speaker 4: he's so frustrating because, like I want, we're always talking
- 35:18Speaker 4: about how can we, you know, mix our stacks up
- 35:20Speaker 4: and play him a little bit different, And honestly, I've
- 35:22Speaker 4: tried everything, and outside of like putting him with Terry McLaurin,
- 35:25Speaker 4: there's really not an easy way to stack him, right,
- 35:27Speaker 4: you know. I guess whenever Brian Robinson was out, you
- 35:29Speaker 4: could get cute with Eckler and stuff, but like Ertz
- 35:31Speaker 4: just never seems to put up enough to really justify
- 35:34Speaker 4: a GPP winning stack with Daniels. And I don't have
- 35:36Speaker 4: no doubt they're gonna score. Like, if I had to
- 35:38Speaker 4: bet my right arm, what quarterback's gonna score twenty Fantasy
- 35:41Speaker 4: points this week?
- 35:41Speaker 3: Minimum?
- 35:42Speaker 4: It would be Daniels, but then he also just never
- 35:44Speaker 4: really seems to score thirty, which is what you kind
- 35:46Speaker 4: of need from a guy at seven thousand usually to
- 35:48Speaker 4: win a GPP. So it's getting really hard to figure
- 35:51Speaker 4: out how to play him a lot of times, I'd
- 35:53Speaker 4: rather just play Brian Robinson and hope that he vultures
- 35:55Speaker 4: a couple of touchdowns keeps Daniels down. And twenty percent
- 35:58Speaker 4: of people played Daniels and I killed that much the field,
- 36:00Speaker 4: So you know, I love that twenty eight point total.
- 36:03Speaker 4: I loved them being at home, But man Daniels, I
- 36:05Speaker 4: haven't figured out the recipe to fad in him yet.
- 36:08Speaker 2: Yeah. What I don't know though, is like, so the rush,
- 36:10Speaker 2: like this matchup is obviously really good. We literally just
- 36:13Speaker 2: watched mix and destroyed them last night and do whatever
- 36:15Speaker 2: he wanted on the ground. The quote unquote defense on
- 36:18Speaker 2: that first one was absolutely non existent. There was no
- 36:21Speaker 2: defense at all, and they like it felt like three
- 36:23Speaker 2: guys could have got him. None of them even had
- 36:25Speaker 2: a chance. So do you like that angle of approach here?
- 36:28Speaker 2: Because you got to think the Commander's d is going
- 36:30Speaker 2: to be popular after last night as well, just seeing
- 36:32Speaker 2: what the Texans did even though it was literally the
- 36:35Speaker 2: flukiest thing ever the way that you know, sort of
- 36:37Speaker 2: chanced for them to get the touchdown and get it
- 36:39Speaker 2: to the house.
- 36:40Speaker 4: Which I'm not even I'm not even sure that fat
- 36:41Speaker 4: guy went in. He was like running out of bounds
- 36:44Speaker 4: and like no one was paying attention to it, and
- 36:45Speaker 4: at the last second he kind of stuck the ball
- 36:47Speaker 4: out as he realized he was running out of bounds,
- 36:48Speaker 4: and they didn't even review it. I just time I
- 36:50Speaker 4: noticed that nobody else noticed. Go watch that the Texans
- 36:53Speaker 4: defensive touchdown. That fact guy ran out of bounds before
- 36:55Speaker 4: he scored. He was paying no attention.
- 36:57Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to watch it back now because I
- 36:58Speaker 2: was saying something similar. But I'm also just thinking about
- 37:00Speaker 2: how literally you had to hit his arm at the
- 37:03Speaker 2: perfect time get the ball to flip off a guy
- 37:05Speaker 2: off a defender into the hands of that guy that
- 37:08Speaker 2: then can bring it into the end zone. It's like, man,
- 37:10Speaker 2: anywhere else, that's just a fumble or a fall on
- 37:13Speaker 2: it type of thing for either.
- 37:14Speaker 4: They didn't get too fumble recoveries on that, no, because
- 37:16Speaker 4: they would have only recovered it once.
- 37:18Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, yeah, anything on this on those running
- 37:22Speaker 2: backs of the defense here. You think those will pick
- 37:24Speaker 2: up steam.
- 37:25Speaker 4: Uh, possibly, but I doubt it. I think people want
- 37:27Speaker 4: to attack this Cowboys defense, which I think is gonna
- 37:31Speaker 4: make Jaydan Daniels popular. But as I said, I'll let
- 37:33Speaker 4: other people, I think figure out how to stack him,
- 37:35Speaker 4: because I sure shit don't know how to do it.
- 37:37Speaker 2: I just saw good nowhere to go Camarboro Baden Daniels.
- 37:41Speaker 2: I like that one. Yeah, definitely get to steal that.
- 37:44Speaker 2: Thank you for that. The the other thing I was
- 37:47Speaker 2: just seeing, just going back to the Joe. This is
- 37:48Speaker 2: the thing beatle Bin they do. But this is the
- 37:51Speaker 2: they go. They're like zero to one hundred when you
- 37:54Speaker 2: click the gift thing. Did you ever see they put
- 37:55Speaker 2: it in a damn Santa bag Like it's not even
- 37:58Speaker 2: like a gift wrapped thing. It's they they go over
- 38:00Speaker 2: and above with the gift thing. It just makes it.
- 38:02Speaker 2: It's almost like you still know it's a gift, you
- 38:04Speaker 2: just don't know what it is. So that's my Amazon
- 38:07Speaker 2: analogies here for a second. But another thing that was
- 38:09Speaker 2: brought up to go collect again bringing all the good
- 38:11Speaker 2: ones today says a rib injury could still be bothering
- 38:13Speaker 2: and because his rushing upside changed up a little bit. So, yeah,
- 38:18Speaker 2: we liked the b Rob that you mentioned. I wrote
- 38:20Speaker 2: down b Rob and shout out to my guy Kenny.
- 38:23Speaker 2: He had a rough outcome. Still a good night, Kenny.
- 38:25Speaker 2: I know you got like ten k plus in that tournament.
- 38:28Speaker 2: He had a chance at the one hundred k solo
- 38:30Speaker 2: in showdown. Shout out to our guy Jay. Bannock had
- 38:33Speaker 2: a big night, but he needed it was Stroud and
- 38:36Speaker 2: the Texans D, and he had Collins and Aubrey, and
- 38:40Speaker 2: Aubrey got the sixty four yarder called back. He had
- 38:43Speaker 2: a miss, he had the Collins touchdown that didn't go through,
- 38:46Speaker 2: and then obviously the Texans D getting there the way
- 38:48Speaker 2: it did. I'm making you really live the whole thing,
- 38:50Speaker 2: my friends. Sorry about this, but I got nothing else
- 38:52Speaker 2: in this game. I liked what you said on Robinson.
- 38:55Speaker 2: I like the Commander's d. I don't think I'm gonna
- 38:58Speaker 2: be making many of these cowboys work. Obviously they can
- 39:01Speaker 2: catch a ton of passes. Do you have any interest
- 39:02Speaker 2: in CD Lamb at seventy three hundred just catching ten
- 39:05Speaker 2: pass ye?
- 39:05Speaker 4: Wait, he's done the seventy three hundred geez. Yeah, what
- 39:08Speaker 4: a nerf Uh, yeah, seventy three hundred, I do. I
- 39:11Speaker 4: didn't normally when I see CD and I see eight thousand,
- 39:13Speaker 4: he's just an auto mark up. But seventy three hundred
- 39:15Speaker 4: is uh, you know, that's kind of getting right there
- 39:17Speaker 4: to where you can afford.
- 39:18Speaker 2: Him, Kenny says, appreciate that, and yeah, kay Briton. Also
- 39:22Speaker 2: for all the people to think, oh, I can never
- 39:23Speaker 2: turn this money I need you need one hundred million
- 39:25Speaker 2: dollars and one hundred and fifty entries to win, Nope,
- 39:27Speaker 2: three bucks into that. His total entries I think on
- 39:30Speaker 2: the slate were like two thirty, but he only had
- 39:32Speaker 2: one in that for whatever reason and ended up shipping
- 39:34Speaker 2: the whole thing for a four way chop or something
- 39:36Speaker 2: for seventeen to five. So congrats to Kevin. Great dude,
- 39:38Speaker 2: always in the community, helping others out and bringing his
- 39:40Speaker 2: information in. So thanks to him. Broncos at Raiders, I'm
- 39:44Speaker 2: with you on CD. By the way, if you're going
- 39:46Speaker 2: to that game, I think you know Robinson CD lamb
- 39:48Speaker 2: secondary stack. CD doesn't need rush or whatever to go
- 39:52Speaker 2: with them, like he can catch you ten balls for
- 39:54Speaker 2: one to twenty and still be pretty damn good at
- 39:56Speaker 2: that price and maybe get a touchdown. They were firing
- 39:58Speaker 2: at him last night a bit.
- 40:00Speaker 4: Who was if Russ just gonna throw fifty times? I
- 40:03Speaker 4: am interested in him though. You can get a lot
- 40:04Speaker 4: of points throwing fifty times.
- 40:06Speaker 2: Yeah, who was somebody else? I thought there was somebody
- 40:08Speaker 2: else last night that was getting targeted in the end
- 40:11Speaker 2: zone and it didn't come through. Shoot. I can't remember
- 40:15Speaker 2: who it was. I'll think about it as we move on.
- 40:17Speaker 2: Let's go to Broncos at the Raiders. Another Division game here.
- 40:20Speaker 2: Bo Nick seems to be the real deal with Sean Payton.
- 40:22Speaker 2: They keep talking about it and all the things and jokes.
- 40:25Speaker 2: Aside from him hurting me last week, I did say
- 40:28Speaker 2: on the show, like and he was in my pool,
- 40:29Speaker 2: my smaller player pool of quarterbacks, that, like bo Knicks,
- 40:32Speaker 2: was an option. I was doing them with just Sutton, right.
- 40:35Speaker 2: But if you wanted to play him with Vlay or Humphrey,
- 40:39Speaker 2: I guess that's how you win the big bucks. But
- 40:41Speaker 2: for me, I liked him with Sutton. Kind of could
- 40:44Speaker 2: say the same again this week if you want to
- 40:45Speaker 2: go there. But what's your thoughts in the Broncos Raiders game?
- 40:47Speaker 3: You know, I see that the Raiders are at home.
- 40:49Speaker 4: They have a small total, but I think I'd actually
- 40:51Speaker 4: be more interested in that side of the stack. You know,
- 40:54Speaker 4: bow Knicks is kind of you know, he's good because
- 40:56Speaker 4: he can run, obviously he can score Fantasy points, but
- 40:58Speaker 4: he's becoming one of those guys like, who the hell
- 41:00Speaker 4: do I stacking with it? As soon as you put
- 41:01Speaker 4: him with Sutton, it's gonna be Marvin MIM's week, or
- 41:04Speaker 4: it's gonna be a little Jordan Humphrey week. It's you know,
- 41:06Speaker 4: it's so frustrating whenever you're trying to stack these guys
- 41:08Speaker 4: correctly and you can't get them. Whereas with the Raiders,
- 41:10Speaker 4: you know, the balls either going to Brock Powers or
- 41:12Speaker 4: Jakobe Myers, like that's who it's going to. And yeah,
- 41:14Speaker 4: they probably don't offer the same upside, but I would
- 41:16Speaker 4: rather have the concentrated usage over the big upside in
- 41:20Speaker 4: a game like this, and the Raiders, you know, like
- 41:21Speaker 4: if they're gonna throw it forty five times a game,
- 41:23Speaker 4: there's gonna be opportunities to get there. And brock Power
- 41:26Speaker 4: seems like the definitive number one tight end in the
- 41:28Speaker 4: NFL right now for Fantasy.
- 41:30Speaker 2: Finally got a big boy price tag though, right, we
- 41:32Speaker 2: got sixty three hundred, where we're actually considering we've had
- 41:34Speaker 2: these price tags, I mean, where you're actually like, oh,
- 41:36Speaker 2: I think this guy might be the one. I should
- 41:39Speaker 2: note The chap brought up a good point. What the
- 41:41Speaker 2: weight on Jake Ferguson to see? But Scoon Maker is
- 41:44Speaker 2: there at twenty five hundred. You know? Interesting they were
- 41:47Speaker 2: using a what's his name? Brevin span Ford?
- 41:51Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's out of Minnesota. I think he's
- 41:53Speaker 4: a rookie or second year guy out of Minnesota.
- 41:55Speaker 2: He was getting some action last night too, you know,
- 41:58Speaker 2: more than I expected by all me. I know, everyone
- 42:00Speaker 2: was playing Florinoy or whatever it is it flower boy.
- 42:02Speaker 2: They were calling him, we can't get the dough without
- 42:04Speaker 2: flower and he was. He was two undred bucks on
- 42:06Speaker 2: the Showdown slate, so was span Ford. And I know
- 42:09Speaker 2: spaan Ford had at least three three catches, maybe more actually,
- 42:12Speaker 2: so interestingly enough, I just thought about that. What else
- 42:16Speaker 2: lup k, Yeah, you gotta wait and see what happens there.
- 42:18Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll know on that. That's hard to get
- 42:20Speaker 2: after with the first look, I'm pretty much with you
- 42:24Speaker 2: on this game. I guess the n and Knicks could
- 42:25Speaker 2: stand for naked. If you want to play Bonix by himself,
- 42:28Speaker 2: he would fit the mold. Like if you're willing to
- 42:30Speaker 2: play Jaden Daniels at seven K, you can play Hm
- 42:33Speaker 2: naked and people will if you're willing to play play
- 42:36Speaker 2: Lamar when he plays at eight K naked, or a
- 42:39Speaker 2: Jay Who am I thinking of Jie Hurts or something
- 42:43Speaker 2: like that when you want to play him at these
- 42:44Speaker 2: big boy prices Right now, the way you said it,
- 42:46Speaker 2: with the rushing upside, the ability that he's had, and
- 42:48Speaker 2: the unknowns of who he's actually gonna use, why couldn't
- 42:51Speaker 2: you just save the money and play Bonix? You did
- 42:53Speaker 2: it last week great with Anthony richardson fifty three hundred.
- 42:56Speaker 2: I know it's a thousand bucks more, but it's whatever
- 42:58Speaker 2: the slate gives you. There may be more value on
- 43:00Speaker 2: this slate by the time we get to Sunday, so
- 43:02Speaker 2: you can find that I actually don't have any problem
- 43:04Speaker 2: with that. He'd be a guy and you can turn
- 43:05Speaker 2: that on in Shipdeviser to just play some lineup snaked
- 43:08Speaker 2: and have bo Nicks fit that mold. So not much
- 43:10Speaker 2: else for me in this one. Let's move on and
- 43:12Speaker 2: go to the forty nine Ers at the Packers in
- 43:16Speaker 2: Green Bay. So, yeah, this interesting game here. I don't
- 43:19Speaker 2: know if it'll be sneaky a target game or just
- 43:21Speaker 2: leave it alone. What's your thoughts in this forty nine
- 43:23Speaker 2: Ers Packers one?
- 43:24Speaker 4: First of all, I'm surprised to see the forty nine
- 43:26Speaker 4: ers starting out as dogs. That's just really weird, and
- 43:29Speaker 4: uh like the Packers like their defense. If you look
- 43:33Speaker 4: over here in the grades, they look pretty solid, but
- 43:34Speaker 4: when you look at points scored, they tend to give
- 43:36Speaker 4: up some points. So Brock Party, I think you always
- 43:38Speaker 4: got to be open to forty nine er stacks.
- 43:41Speaker 3: You know.
- 43:41Speaker 4: McCaffrey kind of had like a what a ten percent
- 43:43Speaker 4: outcome last time. You know, I don't think he scored
- 43:45Speaker 4: as well as he probably should have been that last game.
- 43:47Speaker 4: So not afraid obviously to go back to McCaffrey. I'm
- 43:50Speaker 4: gonna definitely be getting on some forty nine ers. The
- 43:52Speaker 4: real question is just gonna be like, is there gonna
- 43:54Speaker 4: be any weather in this Packers game anything like that,
- 43:56Speaker 4: But if there's not, I'll probably loading up on some
- 43:58Speaker 4: forty nine ers, And I don't even know that I'll
- 44:00Speaker 4: a Packers run back because there's once again when all
- 44:02Speaker 4: their guys are healthy, it's like, who the hell do
- 44:04Speaker 4: you run it back with?
- 44:06Speaker 2: Agreed on that. And the other thing too is Jowan
- 44:08Speaker 2: Jennings maybe like my Valdez Scantling play last week, whenever, well,
- 44:14Speaker 2: there's no way he can do it again, and said
- 44:15Speaker 2: they said the exact same thing about Shadeed and he
- 44:18Speaker 2: kept doing it week after week. Yes, he was not
- 44:20Speaker 2: going to get you two for or three catches for
- 44:23Speaker 2: two touchdowns and you know, thirty one points or something.
- 44:25Speaker 2: And I know he only got like sixteen, but at
- 44:27Speaker 2: the price he was forty four hundred or something on
- 44:28Speaker 2: a slate, we had no value that sixteen. Seventeen played
- 44:32Speaker 2: just fine. He was a Kamara leverage point. All of that.
- 44:35Speaker 2: Jennings is way better than they're pricing him. And the
- 44:38Speaker 2: stats if you dig into them for as good of
- 44:40Speaker 2: a sample as we can have, and with some of
- 44:42Speaker 2: the ups and downs of the injuries, that's the forty
- 44:44Speaker 2: nine ers for you. The way they play and just
- 44:46Speaker 2: run their guys into the ground. He's come through, man,
- 44:48Speaker 2: it's been almost every week. And maybe he picks up steam,
- 44:50Speaker 2: maybe he doesn't. You can make decisions based off of that,
- 44:53Speaker 2: but as of right now at fifty six hundred, I
- 44:55Speaker 2: know we have seventy three hundred dollars guys like Lamb
- 44:57Speaker 2: and Hill and some of those dudes. He can still
- 45:00Speaker 2: fit the mold just fine. And it's never a bad
- 45:02Speaker 2: idea getting a piece of the San Francisco offense on
- 45:04Speaker 2: any given slate. And I already wrote this one out
- 45:07Speaker 2: and circled it. But you've been like, you're like three
- 45:10Speaker 2: and oh on calling out lines. You only call it
- 45:12Speaker 2: like one a week where you're like, this line seems
- 45:14Speaker 2: messed up, and they all, it's always a win every
- 45:17Speaker 2: single time. So I'm not putting you on a pedestal
- 45:19Speaker 2: too much and saying it's gonna happen for sure, but
- 45:21Speaker 2: that when you do that little nugget, I catch on.
- 45:23Speaker 2: And so I wrote down the plus two and a half.
- 45:25Speaker 2: It does seem weird. People will say it seems fishy,
- 45:28Speaker 2: but sometimes the line's fishy so that more people don't
- 45:31Speaker 2: jump on it and go that way. And it's just
- 45:32Speaker 2: hard to price on a line they want even money
- 45:34Speaker 2: on both sides. I like that plus two and a
- 45:35Speaker 2: half call. We can move on with that said, though.
- 45:38Speaker 3: So the pike, the big guy's known for his picks,
- 45:40Speaker 3: picks and place man.
- 45:41Speaker 2: That's so, that's right, I got famous just like they
- 45:45Speaker 2: can't believe the irony in the D and d jen
- 45:48Speaker 2: actually just the irony that the D stands for discipline
- 45:50Speaker 2: and you're not actually a degenerate, right, you take the
- 45:52Speaker 2: time and work on all the hard stuff that nobody
- 45:54Speaker 2: wants to put their time into.
- 45:55Speaker 4: Yeah, I was degenerate seventy five, nine years ago and
- 45:58Speaker 4: I made that name. But a lot of a lot
- 45:59Speaker 4: of therapy we got. Now we're disciplined seventy five.
- 46:02Speaker 2: I appreciate you, Rob, I'm gonna stand I mean you
- 46:04Speaker 2: were talking about DJ discipline, djen. We're gonna do Tuesdays
- 46:08Speaker 2: with Tambo or Tambo Tuesdays, and they can become a thing.
- 46:10Speaker 2: Taco Tuesday's big everywhere, Tambo Tuesdays in your household. I
- 46:14Speaker 2: certainly appreciate that. Hope all as well. Man. Cardinals at
- 46:18Speaker 2: the Seahawks, This one gets interesting, right, it has to.
- 46:21Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this game.
- 46:23Speaker 4: This is Sadly, I don't think I'm gonna be the
- 46:25Speaker 4: only one though, Right the Cardinals, I kind of thought
- 46:27Speaker 4: that they were gonna start out okay, and then just
- 46:29Speaker 4: kind of flutter away a bit. They've their offense has
- 46:31Speaker 4: looked incredible for like the last four weeks, Like they
- 46:33Speaker 4: have a very functional offense. Kyler Murray is staying focused
- 46:37Speaker 4: this year. He has weapons. I like the Cardinals, And
- 46:41Speaker 4: the best part is the Seahawks do have guys I
- 46:43Speaker 4: like to run it back with, right like I like
- 46:45Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker, I like JSN, I like Metcalf because that's
- 46:48Speaker 4: basically the three guys to get the ball for him.
- 46:50Speaker 4: And as I'll just keep telling you, this is gonna
- 46:52Speaker 4: be a good game environment. We have concentrated usage on
- 46:55Speaker 4: both sides. These are the kind of games I like
- 46:56Speaker 4: to get into. I'm just gonna pray we don't get
- 46:58Speaker 4: any like Wonky late November Seattle weather that keeps this
- 47:02Speaker 4: game like some type of stupid you know, rainstorm or
- 47:05Speaker 4: something out there in Seattle. So I'll be checking the
- 47:07Speaker 4: weather on these games or getting that time of year.
- 47:09Speaker 2: Yeah, we brought that up earlier. I think that was
- 47:11Speaker 2: a good call. Like we got to definitely look into
- 47:12Speaker 2: the weather as the season moves on. But this, okay,
- 47:16Speaker 2: this is a good spot before I go into a
- 47:17Speaker 2: couple of plays on or something and just like, how
- 47:19Speaker 2: I'm looking at it now, We've got the whole slate, right,
- 47:22Speaker 2: it's the last game on the slate. We've got through
- 47:23Speaker 2: it pretty good. It's only ten games. How assuming weather
- 47:26Speaker 2: is good in both places, because you know what's good
- 47:28Speaker 2: at the other spot. How do you feel about this
- 47:31Speaker 2: Seahawks game versus the Colts game with the Lions, how
- 47:35Speaker 2: do you feel?
- 47:36Speaker 4: I mean, I would still, you know, I'm gonna let
- 47:39Speaker 4: I would let ownership dictate a lot of that. The
- 47:42Speaker 4: problem with the Colts game is, once again, I don't
- 47:44Speaker 4: love both sides of it because it's not clear who
- 47:46Speaker 4: who to play from both sides. The nice thing about
- 47:48Speaker 4: that Seahawks Cardinals game is, to me, it's very clear
- 47:51Speaker 4: who you need to be targeting on both sides, right, Like,
- 47:53Speaker 4: you're gonna want to get some James Connor, You're gonna
- 47:54Speaker 4: want to get some JSN. You're gonna want to get
- 47:56Speaker 4: some Netcalf, You're gonna want to probably get some Train McBride.
- 47:59Speaker 4: These are guys that are true, Whereas in that other game,
- 48:01Speaker 4: I could list six guys from each team, and I
- 48:03Speaker 4: think that they're all pretty reasonable. So I would probably
- 48:06Speaker 4: lean towards the Seattle Cardinals game is the one that
- 48:08Speaker 4: I would like, just because I know where the ball
- 48:10Speaker 4: is going to be going more often.
- 48:12Speaker 2: How much money am I gonna lose this season chasing
- 48:14Speaker 2: Gino stacks? That's my problem like this guy. It's just
- 48:17Speaker 2: because it's more condensed, and I know that I can
- 48:18Speaker 2: stack them with Kenneth Walker, jsn DK Metcalf and cut
- 48:23Speaker 2: it off. And if you need Barner when there's no
- 48:24Speaker 2: Noah fense or something, you can make it work. But realistically,
- 48:27Speaker 2: it just depends on the slate at hand if you're
- 48:28Speaker 2: doing that. But for me, I always end up on
- 48:31Speaker 2: this side. He throws a ton even when there's weather
- 48:33Speaker 2: like people are talking about weather permitting. I feel like
- 48:36Speaker 2: when it's like drizzling and a little bit wet, it's
- 48:38Speaker 2: like he's better. It's like all of a sudden, they'll
- 48:40Speaker 2: put up thirty five.
- 48:41Speaker 4: It was drizzling and wet when him and JSM went
- 48:44Speaker 4: crazy for me three weeks ago, and w we all
- 48:45Speaker 4: the money.
- 48:46Speaker 2: That's right, That's all I'm saying. IM thinking about that
- 48:48Speaker 2: the second. You know, the division games get talked about
- 48:50Speaker 2: a lot just in general. I mean, sorry and like
- 48:52Speaker 2: that type of thing. But for me, I can see
- 48:54Speaker 2: it going back and forth, and it's crazy, like even
- 48:56Speaker 2: Kyler only sixty two hundred Marvin Harrison, Like, why all
- 49:00Speaker 2: these wide receivers are pretty cheap this week? I know
- 49:02Speaker 2: it's you know, big talking about Marvin Harrison has really
- 49:05Speaker 2: only been that one big week after he shut everybody
- 49:07Speaker 2: up when they said he sucks. But it's about time
- 49:09Speaker 2: for another one of those weeks. I think like it
- 49:11Speaker 2: certainly could happen. It's week twelve, and so it is
- 49:15Speaker 2: somewhat interesting to me this game. I just don't know
- 49:17Speaker 2: if the field is going to like this game more
- 49:20Speaker 2: than they are the other spot, Like you could play
- 49:24Speaker 2: the other game with Indy at home and try and
- 49:25Speaker 2: figure it out and just play like a Kenneth Walker
- 49:28Speaker 2: here in a great matchup. I definitely think I'm gonna
- 49:30Speaker 2: be mixing these two games into my main lineup, so
- 49:32Speaker 2: for some of them at least where you're trying to
- 49:34Speaker 2: get pieces of these two games in the same lineup together, right.
- 49:37Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, that's where I'll be.
- 49:40Speaker 4: You also got to take in the slates as a whole,
- 49:42Speaker 4: and we've already kind of shit on a lot of
- 49:44Speaker 4: this slate, so you know this game, right, here. Maybe
- 49:46Speaker 4: not the sexiest game on a given week, but this
- 49:48Speaker 4: week it looks a lot sexier just based on what
- 49:51Speaker 4: our other choices are here.
- 49:53Speaker 2: Yeah, the other thing that's gonna get interesting is I
- 49:54Speaker 2: would assume it's early, but sixty nine hundred. The price
- 49:57Speaker 2: is nice on Kenneth Walker, the matchup people will know about.
- 50:01Speaker 2: It's not that much better on the other side. So
- 50:02Speaker 2: I actually wonder if by the time we get later
- 50:04Speaker 2: in the week, Kenneth Walker is the one that's picking
- 50:06Speaker 2: up steam as the slight home favorite, Seattle, a little
- 50:09Speaker 2: bit of weather, all these things. James Connor has been
- 50:12Speaker 2: the dude, and he's sixty five hundred. And in the end,
- 50:14Speaker 2: you could also, I'll say it early, you could play
- 50:16Speaker 2: these two against each other. You could just skip over
- 50:18Speaker 2: the passing games here if you wanted to, even though
- 50:21Speaker 2: they are great spots. I'm saying this is the same thing.
- 50:23Speaker 2: If everyone leans and you hear by the end of
- 50:25Speaker 2: the week that people are on all how much is
- 50:27Speaker 2: metcap By the way, do the pricing up, I.
- 50:29Speaker 3: Would aggress he'd be around seven thousand. I don't have
- 50:31Speaker 3: it up.
- 50:31Speaker 2: Based on everything else there. I wasn't looking at it
- 50:33Speaker 2: and Obviously the stone pulls from previous so it's just
- 50:36Speaker 2: depending on if they make it in or not. But
- 50:37Speaker 2: when we update it on Wednesday, it has everything fully updated.
- 50:40Speaker 2: We just like using the shell for content purposes. I
- 50:43Speaker 2: think if people end up that way, that's how you
- 50:45Speaker 2: move to Connor, and then even if the late steam
- 50:47Speaker 2: ends up there, you can flip it or you can
- 50:49Speaker 2: play them both together. So I actually think this is
- 50:51Speaker 2: a pretty interesting slate off the top, just start looking
- 50:53Speaker 2: at it. I think there's some crossoff spots where we're
- 50:56Speaker 2: kind of like whatever, you don't have to make something
- 50:58Speaker 2: work out of those. Think it'll be very simil last week.
- 51:00Speaker 2: It just depends on if it's gonna be the chalk
- 51:02Speaker 2: that hits this time or if it's still gonna be
- 51:03Speaker 2: the you're in the right place, you're on the wrong guys.
- 51:05Speaker 2: And I still tend to lean towards that because I
- 51:08Speaker 2: think that's part of what we always talk about, and
- 51:10Speaker 2: we do it a lot in pgadfs as well, where
- 51:12Speaker 2: you get those lazy weeks. It's not that this is
- 51:14Speaker 2: a lazy week. It's only week twelve. There's tons of
- 51:16Speaker 2: people still plenty in tune and all of that stuff,
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- 52:06Speaker 2: it for ourselves or great news sometimes both write anything.
- 52:10Speaker 2: Final thoughts from you when it comes to any of
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- 52:12Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Tuesday, guys, I would just remind you to
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- 54:50Speaker 2: That's gonna do it, guys for DJN. For myself, to
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