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Baby, What's Going On with Justin Bieber? · Pop Culture Junkie®

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  ♪ Entertain me, entertain me right now ♪
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  - Hey, you found us.
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  We are the Pop Culture Junkies!
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  My name is Shauna.
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  - And I'm Olivia.
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  - Hi-eeeeee.
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  - What an intro.
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  Okay, I feel like it's been a while since we have just
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  like had a little key key, talked a little bit about,
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  you know, random pop culture things,
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  random things in our lives.
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  There's so much going on as we are yearning
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  for summer, I feel like celebrities are too.
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  So there's just some, something in the water right now
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  with these celebrities.
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  So I'm excited because I've been wanting to just like,
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  gav about, did you see the Katy Perry Orlando Bloom?
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  - Yes, it broke up.
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  - I wonder if they really did it.
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  So everyone's saying that they broke up
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  because I guess Orlando got the ick
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  after Katy going to space essentially
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  and the crash out that followed.
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  But then, so Jeff Bezos got married recently too
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  and some extravagant disgusting display of wealth.
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  - It was like ghost though.
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  It wasn't even like, oh, like I wish I could afford that.
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  Like they had the millennial gray carpet.
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  - It was not even like a pretty wedding
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  and Orlando Bloom was there along
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  with a lot of other shitty celebrities.
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  Did you see the invitation to the wedding?
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  - Oh, it's, all of it is tacky.
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  Like this poor wedding planner,
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  I hope they probably signed like an NDA, right?
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  So they probably don't ever have to reveal themselves
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  but like professionally, they should do everything
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  to distance themselves from it
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  because like they got made fun of so much.
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  I also just think that they're both super tacky people.
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  - Mm, 100%.
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  So it kind of works for them.
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  That invitation with all the butterflies
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  look like Clip Art, looks like someone made it in MS Paint
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  and just dragged and dropped little images of butterflies
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  into it.
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  It's so bad.
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  - We didn't even go Canva Pro for this one.
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  At least do Canva Pro.
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  They have so many templates sponsored as Canva.
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  - We have been known to love a Canva Temple.
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  - Oh, we love a Canva Temple.
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  - We're millennial women, what can we say?
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  - Graphic design is my passion.
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  I had a MySpace.
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  - I say that to my coworker who is like our creative director
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  and I always go, I had a MySpace and she loves me for it.
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  - I'm sure she loves you so much.
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  - She does.
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  - Sometimes.
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  - Let's see, but other celebrity BS has been going down
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  and the other breakups or crash-outs.
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  - So I did wanna say this.
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  Orlando Bloom at the beginning of his relationship
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  with Katie Perry also had a little secret trick
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  with Selena Gomez.
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  - What?
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  - It has been a very rare--
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  - I like not know this.
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  - Oh, Google, Selena and Orlando.
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  - Yeah, Selena and Orlando smoking SIG together.
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  Yeah, this was when she was in her party girl era.
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  - Okay, but if smoking is SIG with a man makes it,
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  means that you're in a relationship
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  that I am in a lot of relationships with drunk minute bars.
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  Maybe.
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  - No, they're like off to the side and like pop rotsy catch them
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  and they have like a kind of like three or four week
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  like moments where they were photographed together.
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  - It was a good flip.
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  - And then he started more like officially dating.
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  - Katie Perry.
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  - And so I always just think of that,
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  but right now they're all room-erring Sydney Sweeney.
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  - Who is also at that disgusting wedding?
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  - Yes, but they were saying that he was caught
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  like with her alone and I'm like, he has a type of so.
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  He likes the large chest.
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  - The jugulars.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Who can blame him?
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  - Who is the manga?
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  - He's a mommy milker.
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  - Milkies.
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  - Milkies.
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  - I've explained that to one of my coworkers
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  and she by Kate's before it.
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  - I love it.
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  You were talking about milkies at work.
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  - Yeah, we'll explain to the whole milkies saga to her.
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  And you know, if you subscribe to the Patreon,
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  maybe we'll tell you the milkies saga.
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  - There you go.
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  - But now Olivia has to go through a trading with HR.
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  - Yeah.
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  - She's technically in HR.
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  - She's technically in HR.
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  - And she's like, that's a little bit of a deal.
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  - I love milkies too.
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  - Speaking of milkies, Sydney Sweeney is definitely
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  a little mega adjacent though.
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  Didn't she have like a whole mega family?
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  They have like a mega birthday party
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  where they were all wearing like
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  country boots and red hats.
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  And it was like the theme of the party.
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  - That feels very on brand.
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  - For her.
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  - Yeah, but yeah, I don't know.
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  - Gross.
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  - Gross, gross, gross, gross.
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  - So Orlando, you and your giant penis.
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  - Oh, you, oh my god.
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  We did talk about his giant penis.
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  - Not for the podcast.
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  - Yeah, so we had to circle it back to that.
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  It all comes back to Orlando's giant penis.
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  Everything.
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  - I wish I'm well.
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  - I wish I'm well.
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  (laughing)
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  - I wish that thing well too.
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  - Speaking of giant penises,
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  did you see 28 years later yet?
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  - No, I've been traveling.
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  I've been in Napa for like a week for work.
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  - Oh, that's right.
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  - Forst things.
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  - That worst things could happen to me.
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  - Oh, done.
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  But I think I'm gonna try to go either tomorrow or Thursday night.
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  Unfortunately, my friend bailed on Kesha.
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  And I know I wouldn't bail.
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  - I wouldn't.
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  - I'm quite upset.
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  - No, I'm quite upset.
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  And so it's kind of far away.
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  And I'm like, well, I'm not gonna go by myself
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  to Kesha all the way to San Jose.
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  So now I have to find plans for this weekend last minute.
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  Probably end up just going to a closer show.
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  - My goal for the summer is to see as much live music as possible.
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  - Yes, and you're doing a great job already.
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  It feels like you're always at like shows
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  at the Goth Bar, Punk Bar,
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  some stuff, Jellys stuff.
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  - Yeah.
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  - I do like it.
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  I do like it.
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  - That's awesome.
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  I have three planned this year for sure.
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  So Kesha, this coming weekend,
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  and then I have Ghost in August,
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  and Nineage Nails in September.
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  So I got some good stuff lined up.
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  My big penis segue for 28 years later.
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  Going back to the big penis.
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  Not as spoiler, there is a zombie with a huge dog.
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  - Oh, yeah.
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  - What a gift.
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  - Yeah, it's like you feel kind of wrong, like being into it.
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  - There's still some hope in the end of times.
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  Look at this giant, giant dog.
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  Like he might be ready to rip your head off
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  with his bare hands and eat you,
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  but at least you get to look at a swinging dick
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  before it happens to you.
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  (laughing)
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  - You'd rather be killed by a zombie with a big dick, right?
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  - No, I don't wanna be killed by some tiny dick zombie.
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  - Yeah, that makes it worse.
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  - No. - You just gotta
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  - Just go a little,
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  little chowed down there.
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  - No, chowed with zombie.
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  - Yeah.
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  - No, it's, sorry producers.
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  - Yeah.
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  - But yes, you should watch it.
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  It was very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
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  - I'm trying to.
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  - I almost went on Saturday, but I, okay.
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  On Friday, I went to,
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  and this was not paid for by me.
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  I just have to say this.
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  I went to a Michelin store restaurant
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  and did a wine tasting that was like paired with the food.
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  Oh my God, it was so amazing.
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  The meal was amazing.
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  It was like all those little bites
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  and it was like seven courses.
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  - Like they make in the bear.
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  - Yeah, I literally felt like I was in the bear.
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  The kitchen was so intense.
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  It was like a glass open kitchen,
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  so we could see everything.
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  - Yes, I feel like the Michelin store restaurant
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  I went to in New York.
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  They had like an open kitchen where you can watch
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  and you just hear them screaming at each other.
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  - And like one person is placing the leaf on the little tweezers.
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  - But it was like seven courses.
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  So there were seven big wine pours
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  and they were all different types of wine.
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  And oh my God, I was so drunk by the end of it.
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  (laughing)
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  I was also hitting my pen.
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  And then I had just worked.
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  I did like all of the AV setup.
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  Like we did it internally
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  and then I had two days of an event from nine to seven,
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  like each day I was like 13 hours.
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  And I go to this place that we were talking about.
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  - I just did drunk in a hot and full of delicious food.
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  - Yeah, yeah.
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  So that's what I did Saturday.
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  We had like Narabee and B with a pool.
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  And you know, I used to be like,
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  why are people in like the East Coast or the Midwest
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  like so obsessed with pools?
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  Because we, I was spoiled.
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  Like I lived in Texas and I lived in--
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  - Yeah, Phoenix.
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  - There's pools everywhere.
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  - It's just pools all the time.
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  And now that I don't have access to a pool,
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  it's quite literally like 55 degrees today and no sun.
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  I'm like, oh, 55 degrees.
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  - It's like 116 in Phoenix today.
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  - I know.
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  - It's a restructuring.
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  - Just like, oh my god,
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  Andrew and I got back from California this weekend.
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  And we had to, we took a rental car
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  and then we were like dragging our baggage
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  across the street to get to the Waymo.
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  And the minute we got home,
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  we both like jumped into the pool,
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  like stripped off when Narabee thinks it's just so hot and sweaty.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Speaking of jumping in the pool,
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  people think that they don't do on the next show
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  I've been obsessed with.
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  Do you watch Love Island?
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  - No, I do not.
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  You know my feelings about reality dating,
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  but I know enough.
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  - I know enough.
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  - It's so, this show has so many episodes.
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  It's insane.
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  Like I am, I'm on episode like 15 and I am so far behind
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  and they're each like an hour long.
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  I think last season have 36 episodes.
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  That is 36 hours of two-
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  - Really?
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  - Date, I think it comes out like three or four days a week.
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  I can't keep up.
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  It's so good and so terrible.
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  And I really enjoy it when I can just,
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  it's so stupid, but you know,
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  it's that like you need something
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  and just turn your brain off and just,
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  I don't wanna think about the horrors.
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  I just wanna watch Jackie television
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  and really good looking people in bathing suits.
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  Break each other's eyes.
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  - I'm a mummy, mama see that.
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  - Yeah, 'cause I'm a mummy.
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  - A mummy?
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  - Mummy see that.
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  - I'm a see that.
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  I kept doing that every time one of my coworkers
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  would use like the company card to pay
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  for something for me and go,
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  "Mama see that."
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  - Mama see that.
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  - I'm a mom.
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  - I'm a mom of a dog.
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  I have a daughter.
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  I have a real human child.
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  - I also love that.
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  Cute.
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  That's my dream day.
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  - Oh my God.
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  - I can't stop reposting those memes
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  'cause it's so dumb.
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  There's no way in the context of this show
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  that he would have known what her dream,
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  like he doesn't know what date he's going on.
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  That he just gets thrown into a situation.
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  So the producers were like,
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  all right, you're taking this bitch to a beach
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  and then they come back and she's like,
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  you sat in the beach?
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  Cute.
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  He knows that's my dream date.
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  - He had no control over it.
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  - That's my dream date.
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  And he knows that.
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  - Yeah, she knows that.
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  - She was crashing out pretty hard.
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  - Oh, she's, oh my God.
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  It is a hood of her, okay, and a love island.
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  She's so beautiful and insane.
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  - She's gonna tone back the eyelash extensions.
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  - The eyelashes are a little intense,
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  but besides that.
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  - Yeah, I know what you're crashing out.
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  - I know enough.
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  I know enough.
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  I see the big moments.
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  I'm also like, there's no fucking way.
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  I also can't do that with big brother.
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  - Oh my God.
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  - Just mom and I used to watch that.
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  But now they have the live streaming cameras.
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  - That's true, they didn't have it back when we did that.
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  - You can watch those all day
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  and then the show's very different.
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  If you don't watch the live stream or anything like that.
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  - You're like missing actual information.
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  - Yeah, that's insane.
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  - But speaking of crash outs,
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  I think we need to talk about the crash out
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  of this summer season.
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  - I agree.
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  So after the break,
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  we are gonna talk about what on earth is going down
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  with Justin Bieber.
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  (dramatic music)
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  - See, Shanna, you're not getting it.
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  It's not clocking to you.
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  It's not clocking to you that I'm just standing on business.
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  Okay, I'm here to talk about what is happening
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  with Justin Bieber.
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  - Dan.
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  (laughing)
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  - That's like his quote.
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  - That was pretty pretty.
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  - That was awful.
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  - Going super viral.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And wonderful.
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  - Yeah, well.
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  - Okay, now you can go.
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  - Pop culture and celebrities go together
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  like two things that go together really well.
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  Peanut butter and jelly, a Trump and fascism.
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  You know, things like that.
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  It's hard to talk about music and movies and such
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  without talking about the people who create that content.
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  And some of those content creators achieve a level of fame
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  that can be really rewarding or really problematic.
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  So when Justin Bieber posted a candid message
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  to Instagram earlier, don't you think
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  if I could have fixed myself I would have?
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  It felt a little less like a pop star venting
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  and more like a breaking point for him.
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  We felt what Bieber was saying.
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  You know, he's exhausted and yet it was also
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  depressingly predictable because his unraveling
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  has been playing out for years.
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  It's just that the public, the press and the fans
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  are only now beginning to admit
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  what we've always known, always seen.
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  And that is that he was never going to escape
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  the curse of childhood fame.
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  So let's take a look at what's going on
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  with Justin Bieber.
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  - So we've talked about Justin Bieber, his life.
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  I mean, he has been such a mega pop star
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  with in the zeitgeist.
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  I feel like I was like one or two years too old
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  to be like a Bieber.
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  - A Bieber.
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  - Yeah, a Bieber and then be like,
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  oh my god, I want to kiss that little boy.
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  - Oh god.
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  - Someone's going to clip that
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  and that's just going to be his sound.
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  - Yeah, I want to kiss that little boy.
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  I don't want to kiss that little boy.
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  I was two years too old.
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  - No, I wasn't a believer either.
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  It was never my kind of music.
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  - And he has definitely had a very hard life.
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  We talked about those different phases
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  and things that have happened to him.
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  Most recently, I think if we zoom out
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  from what's been going on in the last couple of weeks,
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  he has perpetually been in this.
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  I'm touring, I'm canceling my tour
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  because of health reasons.
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  He's done that a few times.
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  He just sold his masters kind of two or three years ago.
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  His entire catalog.
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  And so he just had a baby with Haley Bieber
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  and people were like, okay, this could be
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  like a really good next step for him.
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  He's taking a step back from music.
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  He said, hey, I'm not going to tour.
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  I'm not going to really do music right now.
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  And I'm just going to focus on my family.
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  And people are like, okay, great.
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  And they had a happy, healthy baby.
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  Things were looking great.
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  And then about a month or so, maybe two months ago,
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  Haley Bieber gets kind of first of many amazing opportunities,
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  which is ultimately a bog cover.
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  - Oh my God, this is gorgeous cover.
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  So mean.
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  And didn't he, he tweeted something along the line,
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  or not tweeted.
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  - No way, I posted a cover with a Instagram.
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  - Yeah.
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  - My own long.
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  - It said, I was really mean to Haley once.
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  And I told her that she would never get on the cover of Vogue.
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  Who says that to your wife who's a model?
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  Like that is her professional career.
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  And probably something that she's absolutely working towards.
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  So definitely like a hint that things were kind of rocky
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  in their marriage for sure.
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  - Yeah, so we post this Vogue thing.
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  And it's like, okay, yeah, I told Haley
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  she would never get a cover like way to prove me wrong.
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  And people are notoriously like hate Haley Bieber, right?
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  - Yeah.
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  - We've always been on the right side of this,
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  where we always say like what Haley Bieber is just a girl
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  who married a pop star that everyone loves.
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  - I do think that she stalked him a little heart,
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  but you know what, also she made her dreams come true.
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  - Yes. - Yes, there you go.
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  - If I could just stalk a celebrity
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  that I wanted to marry and then end up marrying him.
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  - Yeah.
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  - Just do it.
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  - You definitely did like follow around some band,
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  maybe just like not at the scale that you wanted it to be.
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  - Yeah.
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  - You didn't dream high enough.
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  - I didn't dream high enough to marry somebody from AFI.
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  I just went to their shows a lot.
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  - Yeah, exactly.
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  - Yeah.
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  - I've slid in the Rahul Koli's DMs a lot,
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  but I don't think it's gonna work.
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  - Yeah, it's gonna happen.
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  - So it never bought into this Haley hate train,
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  but that Haley hate train has been the way since
• 17:46
  before they even got married, right?
• 17:48
  It's been in like a solid 10 years.
• 17:50
  - Yeah, I think it's a lot of salinators or salinators.
• 17:54
  - Salinators. - Salinators.
• 17:56
  - How do you pronounce their salinators?
• 17:59
  - Salinators. - I like salinators.
• 18:00
  I'm gonna go with that instead.
• 18:01
  - That sounds like senators.
• 18:02
  I hate that.
• 18:03
  - Or like salamanders.
• 18:05
  - No.
• 18:06
  - Like a salamander. - Salamander.
• 18:07
  - A salamander who is a senator.
• 18:09
  Like he's got like a little tie on.
• 18:10
  - Okay, well now you're just going Q and on.
• 18:12
  'Cause that's like a lizard person.
• 18:14
  (laughing)
• 18:16
  So all of the salinators I definitely think.
• 18:19
  - I was seeing a Gomez's fans are lizard people
• 18:23
  who want to go to the government.
• 18:25
  - There's a little salamanders,
• 18:26
  a tiny tie is on who listened to salinators go mad.
• 18:30
  - Salinators. - Salinators.
• 18:31
  (laughing)
• 18:33
  - I vote for it. - I'm voting for it.
• 18:35
  I'm down.
• 18:36
  - I'm down. - Okay.
• 18:37
  - Okay, she's ready.
• 18:38
  - I think that they definitely kind of added on
• 18:41
  and piled onto the Haley Hate because they were,
• 18:44
  you know, Salinators is Haley.
• 18:46
  We can't possibly imagine that a couple broke up
• 18:49
  and then they both moved on.
• 18:51
  We have to always, you know, Salin is always
• 18:54
  gonna be mad and hate Haley Bieber.
• 18:56
  When they both kind of back and forth
• 18:59
  had a little nitpicks and like little bitching moments
• 19:02
  at each other, but like for the most part,
• 19:04
  these women have like publicly stated
• 19:07
  that they want everyone to stop bothering the other one.
• 19:10
  They've been photographed together,
• 19:11
  comments it on each other's stuff,
• 19:13
  liked each other's stuff.
• 19:14
  Anyway, I wanna go back a little bit in Justin's career.
• 19:18
  He first became famous in 2009.
• 19:21
  So yeah, I was in college, definitely kind of like past
• 19:24
  my Justin Bieber window, but he,
• 19:29
  what like viral singing on YouTube, I believe.
• 19:32
  - Yep.
• 19:33
  - Just had the cutest sweetest little voice.
• 19:35
  He had a music video and song Baby Come Out.
• 19:38
  He became a global teen idol discovered by Usher.
• 19:42
  Super famous at the time.
• 19:44
  So he kind of grew up, you know, being this cute see-all
• 19:47
  remember is Justin Bieber, Erica,
• 19:49
  little shaggy thing, cute, talented.
• 19:53
  Definitely overly sexualized by the media.
• 19:57
  There's so many clips of him like a young kid
• 20:01
  and just people asking him if he has a girlfriend,
• 20:04
  like older female celebrities trying to kiss him
• 20:07
  on the mouth, like talking to him about things
• 20:09
  that he doesn't need to be talking about as a child.
• 20:12
  You know, say, you know, once we get to the,
• 20:14
  the diddy of it all later in the episode,
• 20:17
  he definitely went to some ditty parties
• 20:19
  and was like offered alcohol and I'm sure drugs
• 20:21
  at a young age.
• 20:22
  So thanks for all of that adults.
• 20:25
  Thanks for protecting the kids.
• 20:27
  Great job.
• 20:29
  So 2011 to 2014, a series of incidents kind of began
• 20:33
  to tarnish his image.
• 20:35
  As you said, racial slurs in some leaked videos,
• 20:38
  he had legal issues including a dy,
• 20:41
  he, egg,
• 20:42
  - He did the neighbors house.
• 20:43
  - He was about to see that.
• 20:44
  - He had a good house.
• 20:46
  - Ah, stupid.
• 20:47
  And then he made some controversial comments
• 20:49
  during a visit to the Anne Frank house.
• 20:52
  So definitely no excuses for that
• 20:54
  or for using racial slurs.
• 20:56
  I think that a,
• 20:57
  egging a neighbor's house can probably be chalked up to
• 21:00
  just being a shitty teenager.
• 21:02
  - Yeah.
• 21:03
  And the order, the order that that happened in
• 21:05
  was a little, a little different.
• 21:07
  He started egging the house and people freaked out on him
• 21:10
  and then every single thing after that
• 21:12
  did become like this, this giant deal.
• 21:16
  And I think one of the,
• 21:17
  the earliest things in Justin Bieber's career
• 21:20
  is like he never had privacy after a baby.
• 21:25
  And it's always really bothered him.
• 21:27
  Like we've seen him through so many different faces
• 21:31
  in his life, which is sad.
• 21:33
  Like to have that happen to you is a,
• 21:37
  is a, like as a trauma you can never know.
• 21:40
  Like to just never be alone.
• 21:43
  - Yeah, it's just growing up in front of the camera.
• 21:46
  Literally, yeah, never being alone,
• 21:47
  having adults dictate your every move
• 21:50
  and stalk you and make you grow faster than you need to.
• 21:55
  Like I, it's, I can't imagine, but it was like for him.
• 21:58
  I remember he like peed off of a neighbor's balcony
• 22:01
  or peed off his balcony or into a bucket
• 22:03
  and everyone was like, oh my god.
• 22:05
  Hey, took this.
• 22:07
  I don't know.
• 22:08
  - Yes.
• 22:09
  And over time, like things did start to get much more extreme.
• 22:13
  Like they started silly and they started goofy.
• 22:16
  But then over time they moved in to more severe.
• 22:19
  - Yeah.
• 22:20
  - This kind of was continuously escalating
• 22:22
  until he entered this church era.
• 22:27
  - Oh god.
• 22:28
  - He stood kind of in.
• 22:28
  I feel like he's moving out of it now
• 22:30
  with everything that's been going on.
• 22:32
  But he joined a very famous celebrity church
• 22:35
  called Hillsong.
• 22:37
  He started hanging out with Carl, the pastor.
• 22:41
  Chris Pratt goes there too, right?
• 22:42
  Chris Pratt, Haley Bieber, Kendall Jenner.
• 22:44
  - It is a famously.
• 22:45
  - All of those people.
• 22:46
  Like anti LGBTQ church.
• 22:50
  They believe in conversion therapy.
• 22:53
  It's not a cool place.
• 22:56
  - It's very mega churchy, very good.
• 22:59
  - Yeah.
• 23:00
  - But ultimately, you know, to give them some credit here,
• 23:05
  they did help him really kind of get off
• 23:09
  of this terrible trajectory.
• 23:11
  - Yeah.
• 23:12
  - Yeah.
• 23:12
  - It's not going to be the experience
• 23:13
  of everyone going to that church.
• 23:15
  Often times it's not the experience of everyone.
• 23:18
  There's a really good documentary about Hillsong
• 23:21
  on FX that you should check out if you remember it.
• 23:23
  - Sure. - It's a rest day.
• 23:24
  But it really goes into the history of the church,
• 23:27
  kind of the background.
• 23:28
  And there's, it's of course a heavy chop-air
• 23:31
  because it's about high control.
• 23:33
  But he goes to this church and ultimately,
• 23:35
  this is kind of where Selena goes as well
• 23:39
  when him and Selena are dating.
• 23:41
  He is within that church as well.
• 23:43
  See, I'm not anti-churched by any means.
• 23:46
  If you can go to a church and you can get something out of it
• 23:48
  and become a better person, get your life, you know,
• 23:52
  grab yourself up off the ground and like,
• 23:54
  you know, put yourself back together
• 23:55
  and you can credit a church community
• 23:57
  that was there for you.
• 23:58
  Amazing, you know, good for you.
• 24:01
  So he, yeah, went with Selena Gomez
• 24:03
  and we've talked about his relationship with Selena
• 24:06
  a lot on the show.
• 24:08
  And you introduced me to that video
• 24:09
  of the two of them like scoring drugs in an alleyway together.
• 24:14
  Yep.
• 24:14
  On Skid Row, right?
• 24:16
  Yes.
• 24:17
  Which is so crazy.
• 24:19
  So the two of them started this church life together.
• 24:22
  But Selena also was, you know, child star,
• 24:25
  Disney channel darling, who had to grow up in front of the cameras.
• 24:29
  You know, we see it a million times over
• 24:31
  with child stars and child celebrities who try to grow up.
• 24:34
  And yeah, they both, you know, kind of turn to drugs.
• 24:37
  I think Selena Gomez's situation with drugs is so interesting
• 24:42
  because it's never been like something
• 24:44
  that she's publicly commented on.
• 24:46
  It's always something that's like allegedly, you know what I mean?
• 24:49
  Even though it's pretty obvious.
• 24:52
  But it wasn't, you know, like, Lindsay Lohan's crash out
• 24:56
  where she was getting DUIs and photographed.
• 24:58
  And it was very clear that she's using drugs.
• 25:00
  They're like Amanda Bines, you know?
• 25:03
  Yeah.
• 25:04
  For Selena, it's just kind of like, we all kind of go, hmm, we know.
• 25:08
  We know, girl.
• 25:09
  It's okay.
• 25:10
  Totally.
• 25:11
  We were exhausted.
• 25:13
  We pulled out the old exhaustion every half.
• 25:16
  Yeah, I went to rehab because I was eapies.
• 25:21
  And we've seen kind of that, that is a through line of kind of,
• 25:26
  hey, is there, you know, some sort of substance?
• 25:30
  Is it mental health?
• 25:31
  Like, can we see this kind of a lot with child stars?
• 25:34
  We've talked about it a bit more as well.
• 25:36
  But, you know, kind of once he joins a whole song,
• 25:40
  him and Haley get married, he has these kind of like,
• 25:43
  intermittent phases, but really nothing like we've started to see today.
• 25:49
  Yeah, not at all.
• 25:50
  He revealed that he had Lyme disease in 2020,
• 25:53
  which kind of explained some health issues
• 25:55
  that he was experiencing.
• 25:57
  He, it went public and talked about his struggles with mental health,
• 26:02
  with fame, with some drug use, his adderol dependency.
• 26:06
  So he's really trying to, you know, be open about it with the public
• 26:09
  and like kind of work through it.
• 26:11
  Like you said, he married Haley with a civil ceremony at a large one in 2019.
• 26:17
  He was also diagnosed with Ramsey Hunt syndrome,
• 26:20
  which led to facial paralysis in the cancellation of an entire tour in 2020.
• 26:25
  Yeah.
• 26:26
  I remember that video. It was crazy.
• 26:27
  I was like, oh yeah.
• 26:28
  Yeah. That shit's like scary.
• 26:31
  Like you think you have like several palsy or like Bell's palsy or something
• 26:35
  and just drew your face.
• 26:37
  Have your face just stops working?
• 26:39
  No.
• 26:40
  Yeah. No.
• 26:40
  If anybody listening has gone through that,
• 26:42
  like that sounds horrifying and,
• 26:44
  Ugh.
• 26:45
  Bless you.
• 26:46
  So he welcomed his son Jack Blues with Haley in August 2024,
• 26:54
  describing him as their miracle baby.
• 26:57
  And young, we all, we thought that that was going to kind of be a,
• 27:01
  he's a grown up now.
• 27:03
  He's covered in tattoos.
• 27:04
  He's got a supermodel wife who he's shown in public kind of publicly
• 27:09
  distating, but you know what?
• 27:11
  That's, yeah. And so we talked a little bit about the Vogue cover.
• 27:18
  So the Vogue cover was the early whisperings of all of the women
• 27:22
  who were previously hating on her going,
• 27:25
  wait, maybe Haley shouldn't be with Justin,
• 27:30
  not because he belongs with Selena, but because he's treating her badly.
• 27:36
  So this is kind of like the early murmurs.
• 27:39
  And then Haley announces that she sold road beauty for $1 billion, right?
• 27:45
  I think so. Yeah.
• 27:46
  Yeah. So she sold road for $1 billion to Elf cosmetics,
• 27:51
  or to Elf, the brand.
• 27:53
  It's kind of like a big umbrella.
• 27:57
  I love Elf.
• 27:58
  My favorite eyeliner.
• 27:59
  So this starts on the internet.
• 28:03
  A bunch of people saying Haley Bieber should leave Justin Bieber.
• 28:07
  Yes.
• 28:07
  And it ultimately starts, I mean, Justin is chronically online.
• 28:12
  There's some of the most iconic Twitter beefs and like Instagram
• 28:15
  beefs with Justin Bieber because he's just chronically online.
• 28:18
  He's a youngster. He's online.
• 28:20
  He wants to post.
• 28:21
  He wants to take Instagram pics.
• 28:23
  He wants to have cryptic captions.
• 28:25
  We stan it.
• 28:27
  Yes. And so cryptic posts start popping up from Justin Bieber.
• 28:32
  And ultimately he posts shortly after everyone is saying
• 28:36
  girl leave him dump him.
• 28:39
  He posts an Instagram story.
• 28:41
  And then I think he also puts it on his grid where he's tired
• 28:45
  of transactional relationships.
• 28:47
  Yes.
• 28:48
  And people telling him there's more work to do.
• 28:51
  If I have to do something to be loved, that's not love.
• 28:54
  And express frustration over expectations placed on him.
• 28:58
  And this triggered the women of the internet
• 29:01
  because we have all dated a man who has acted this way.
• 29:05
  Literally.
• 29:07
  And I think this is a very important point that we want to make.
• 29:10
  Like pop culture and celebrities and their situations
• 29:14
  and how they make you feel are almost always a mirror.
• 29:17
  So like again, we don't know these people,
• 29:20
  but they are very interesting to consider in the macro of like how
• 29:25
  how is everyone kind of responding to this?
• 29:28
  But it heated up from there.
• 29:31
  He posted like a million of these things very weird.
• 29:35
  And it was always just like one piece of his face.
• 29:38
  Like it'd be like a nostril and eyebrow.
• 29:41
  Yeah.
• 29:42
  Very like zoomed in photos, talking about forgiveness and flaws
• 29:47
  and just exhaustion over trying to meet people's standards.
• 29:51
  Yeah.
• 29:52
  He got into a paparazzi confrontation in June, 2025.
• 29:57
  Having a tense exchange with paparazzi outside of his so-how house.
• 30:01
  Oh, I'm sorry.
• 30:01
  Outside of so-how house.
• 30:02
  Not is so-how house in Malibu.
• 30:06
  Accused the photographers at provoking him
• 30:08
  and worried that the footage would be taken out of context,
• 30:11
  saying it's not registering to you that I'm standing on business.
• 30:15
  Is it, which is what you were saying in the beginning.
• 30:17
  And you're provoking me.
• 30:19
  You're going to take the video out of context like you always do.
• 30:22
  It escalated further with him using exploatives
• 30:25
  and questioning the motives of paparazzi.
• 30:27
  I mean, paparazzi can fuck all the way off anyway.
• 30:30
  Like I can't even imagine.
• 30:32
  I'm a girl who loves to have my picture taken to.
• 30:35
  Listen.
• 30:35
  I love a camera.
• 30:37
  But to be just stalked and followed like that.
• 30:39
  Legal.
• 30:40
  Just, yes, it's legal.
• 30:42
  And people die over this.
• 30:45
  Like being chased by the paparazzi.
• 30:47
  I can't even imagine how frustrating that would be.
• 30:50
  So there's a lot of celebrities who
• 30:52
  have videos of rough interactions with paparazzi
• 30:56
  and are always like, oh my god, are they going through it?
• 30:58
  No, I'd have a rough interaction too.
• 31:01
  Yeah, I do think that Justin Bieber got Britney Spears level
• 31:05
  paparazzi like harassment and being followed.
• 31:08
  And then also because he is a reactive person,
• 31:11
  like they wouldn't antagonize him.
• 31:13
  So they have taken videos out of context.
• 31:15
  It's a little bit about it when he was like a young kid
• 31:18
  and everyone was like, he pissed in a bucket.
• 31:20
  Like people always kind of taken.
• 31:22
  He's easy to stoke into a fight.
• 31:26
  And so they do it a lot.
• 31:27
  And then, you know, whenever you're going through something
• 31:31
  that your anger isn't always easily controlled
• 31:34
  or just mood in general and then someone's falling
• 31:37
  in around with a camera.
• 31:37
  And then you're being caught on camera.
• 31:39
  I'm sure that I've had, you know,
• 31:40
  crash out moments we all have where you're like,
• 31:42
  thank god no one caught that on video.
• 31:44
  Not in good news.
• 31:47
  Not my finest hour.
• 31:49
  I'm going to think about that.
• 31:50
  Yeah, like your like caught on video is just you thinking about it
• 31:54
  for the like days and days and days.
• 31:56
  Yeah, when you're laying in bed,
• 31:57
  just like that was so embarrassing.
• 31:58
  Yeah, right.
• 32:00
  It's the video of our minds.
• 32:01
  Yeah, it stays for that forever.
• 32:04
  Yeah.
• 32:06
  And so this has been turned into a meme.
• 32:09
  And the meme is really funny or like a re-hearing like video
• 32:12
  gets standing on business.
• 32:14
  But yeah, you don't get it.
• 32:16
  I'm standing on business.
• 32:18
  And now he's kind of like tongue and cheek playing with it.
• 32:22
  Yeah.
• 32:23
  But ultimately, I mean, when it before like all the
• 32:27
  a lot of this stuff started happening, like,
• 32:29
  or I guess like shortly after the vote cover, like,
• 32:31
  Hailey was seen out like not wearing her ring as well.
• 32:35
  And so there there are kind of these these things.
• 32:38
  Right after this, Justin Bieber changed his like,
• 32:41
  right after the I'm standing on business,
• 32:43
  changed his Instagram name from Justin Bieber to Lil Bieber.
• 32:48
  Oh, god.
• 32:49
  And pictures of Jack,
• 32:51
  Hailey as well as he keeps posting like these weird
• 32:56
  prototypes of his brand Skylar.
• 32:59
  Isn't that a character from fairly odd parents?
• 33:02
  Maybe.
• 33:03
  But Rick Stassler, something.
• 33:04
  He printed weird stuff.
• 33:06
  Like, I don't know what what he's doing over there.
• 33:09
  And we're thinking maybe this little
• 33:11
  Bieber might be a rapper era incoming.
• 33:14
  I will say that Justin Bieber has been a a a heavy user of
• 33:19
  an accent and lingo that is not fitting of black and
• 33:24
  color. A black accent.
• 33:26
  He's given he gives Justin Timber like black sense a lot.
• 33:31
  So she's she's she's she's oh, I forgot about that.
• 33:37
  Yeah. If you're not black, don't use black sense.
• 33:40
  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I I want Justin Bieber to take
• 33:50
  like a true 10 year break. I think that it would be good for him.
• 33:57
  Absolutely. Get away from the spotlight.
• 33:59
  His be a dad.
• 34:01
  His wife is now about to be a billionaire.
• 34:04
  I mean, they don't give you a billion dollars.
• 34:05
  Just here you go.
• 34:06
  But you know, there is no reason like you sold your back catalog.
• 34:11
  If Hailey stays with you, which you probably will because
• 34:14
  super Christian, you guys have enough money to
• 34:19
  live within the current celebrity lifestyle that you do.
• 34:23
  Not have you have to try to be famous and just like go super in cognito.
• 34:29
  I totally agree. You can go underground.
• 34:32
  You can pull an Olsen twins.
• 34:33
  Yes. That's what I want for him.
• 34:36
  So much exactly. Exactly.
• 34:38
  Marricade and Ashley Olsen.
• 34:40
  Yes. We know they're still ultra famous and so fucking rich.
• 34:44
  And they'll come out of the woodworks every once in a while.
• 34:48
  They'll show up somewhere.
• 34:49
  But for the most part, those girls are off grid and just living.
• 34:52
  They're just designing the row.
• 34:54
  They're making so much money off their
• 34:57
  seven dollar t-shirt.
• 34:58
  Let them live.
• 35:00
  And they were child celebrities and they went,
• 35:03
  you know what?
• 35:04
  We're just going to go into the sunset with our money for a little while.
• 35:09
  Yeah, they made so much money.
• 35:10
  Let's take a quick break and then I do want to talk about
• 35:13
  an unfortunate connection to P. Diddy.
• 35:17
  [Music]
• 35:22
  So an old clip of P. Diddy and Justin Bieber
• 35:27
  resurfaced online in the wake of all the Diddy allegations
• 35:30
  whereby the two discuss spending a quote "crazy 48 hours" together.
• 35:35
  To the camera Diddy says quote, "He's having 48 hours with Diddy."
• 35:40
  Where we hangin' out and we're doing what we're doing,
• 35:44
  we can't really disclose.
• 35:47
  But it's definitely a 15 year old's dream.
• 35:50
  I have been given custody of him.
• 35:53
  He signed a usher when he did his first album.
• 35:56
  I don't really have legal guardianship of him.
• 35:59
  But for the next 48 hours, he's with me and we're going to go buck full crazy.
• 36:05
  A 15 year old's dream hanging out with Diddy sounds like
• 36:11
  everybody just cringed when I said that.
• 36:15
  Yeah.
• 36:16
  Justin Bieber was discovered by usher, like I said.
• 36:21
  But then he definitely usher and P. Diddy had some crossover if I'm not mistaken, right?
• 36:27
  Yes.
• 36:28
  Fill me in here, Livy.
• 36:29
  Yeah.
• 36:30
  So what Justin went to is what P. Diddy himself, now I guess a brother love is his new stage name,
• 36:38
  going as a new stage name.
• 36:41
  He's in shale. No, he did this in like 2022 when he knew things were about to come out about him.
• 36:48
  So he renamed himself again.
• 36:50
  But okay, so he called this Puffs Flavor Camp,
• 36:55
  which was whenever usher was becoming famous, usher like lived with P. Diddy for at least
• 37:01
  a summer, maybe almost a year.
• 37:03
  And every single night they were doing what he, they've been talking about at the P. Diddy trial.
• 37:08
  They're having orgies, they were doing freak off, they were doing this stuff with the baby oil,
• 37:12
  it was weird.
• 37:13
  Usher has done a interview with Howard Stern talking about Flavor Camp and how he was like 15,
• 37:22
  he would go hide himself in the studio and just like barricade himself in there because like he'd
• 37:27
  be 15 and like all these women were trying to like bring him out into a win as a 15 year old as well.
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  Yeah.
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  Usher like lived with him and like there's some weird clips about
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  like P. Diddy talking about waking up in bed with usher in the morning and eating like cereal and
• 37:44
  bed together and even Kevin Hart like diddies all drunk or whatever and Kevin Hart is like looking
• 37:51
  at P. Diddy like did you say that like live recorded like that's that was weird dude and usher just
• 37:58
  like laughs it off.
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  So but then usher takes Justin Bieber to P. Diddy and after that clip every single time like
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  Justin Bieber is around P. Diddy like the vibes are off it's weird he feels odd around him
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  and yeah it's scary.
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  Yeah it is strange.
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  Other resurfaced clips show Diddy handing Justin a bottle on his birthday
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  which he kneels down to drink as a woman explains you know happy birthday Justin when he's
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  definitely not old enough to be drinking.
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  There is an old episode of Keeping Up the Kardashians where Chloe talks about going to parties
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  with Diddy and Justin Bieber and she says and I quote I got on a plane at 5.30 a.m.
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  Well this party I think half the people there were but naked.
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  Yeah there were a bunch of friends and they were there naked and partying including
• 38:51
  Diddy, Quincy and Justin Bieber.
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  What's Quincy is his son?
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  Oh dude like and Justin Bieber is in 2014 still definitely a minor.
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  I don't know how old Quincy was in 2014 either but Quincy is technically like his stepson so
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  it's like one degree separated but still kind of broke.
• 39:15
  Yeah yeah.
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  It ain't yes to all.
• 39:19
  So Justin Bieber's team has come out in the recent years and said you know Justin does not claim
• 39:26
  to be a victim of P. Diddy.
• 39:28
  Yeah but they definitely stand with people who were and you know belief survivors things like
• 39:33
  that but Justin himself hasn't said anything like yes this is what went down but just there's a lot
• 39:39
  of evidence there that things that were very inappropriate between a grown man and a 15 year old
• 39:45
  were going down.
• 39:45
  Yeah it's interesting because when you think about a child star like you always say like these
• 39:52
  like crazy things happen to them and it is wild to know like exactly how depraved like someone
• 40:01
  who was your mentor and teaching you how to live in Hollywood would be doing those things.
• 40:06
  Exactly.
• 40:07
  The point that you can prove them in like a court of law like they're being put into
• 40:11
  public records and things like that so it is it is kind of crazy you know that's a great point
• 40:15
  with the Diddy stuff I've thought about it but you know that is kind of going concurrently and
• 40:21
  whenever Diddy first got formally charged people were very curious like what is Justin going to
• 40:27
  do he made a statement saying you know he doesn't seem self as a victim and he'd like to like people
• 40:31
  to respect his privacy.
• 40:33
  Yeah but you know that is a kind of a layer on on top of what they need or what's going on for him.
• 40:40
  Exactly another trauma layer another just layer of it's not good you know and you know good on him
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  for saying like let's focus on people who actually were victims or like are ready to express that
• 40:53
  yeah or exactly because who knows but who are ready to come out and express that and not all survivors
• 40:59
  come out and are like you know talking you know comfortable speaking publicly about things like that.
• 41:06
  I don't know I guess to sum up our our Justin Bieberness of it all I like you said I hope he kind of
• 41:13
  fades from the spotlight and takes a much needed break in him and Hayley just can kind of I don't
• 41:20
  know be parents for a while.
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  A little sugar baby Bieber.
• 41:24
  A little baby.
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  A little Bieber sugar baby.
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  And be nice to Hayley.
• 41:30
  Yeah hold the door for your wife man.
• 41:32
  He does skate forward away from her.
• 41:35
  Yeah maybe he don't worry about a gray hoodie with the you know like the bottle.
• 41:44
  All the thing.
• 41:49
  Yeah but no it's like the butthole like pulled like Kenny from South Park.
• 41:53
  Yeah which is just a little face hole.
• 41:55
  It's giving Kenny.
• 41:56
  Yeah it's giving Kenny.
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  If your wife is dressed up nice dress up nice with her.
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  If it's a launch of your wife's brand.
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  Yes.
• 42:03
  A normal shirt.
• 42:04
  Yeah.
• 42:05
  Support your wife's career and endeavors.
• 42:08
  If she don't say things about father's day being stupid or mother's day being stupid on
• 42:14
  Instagram on mother's day.
• 42:17
  Okay but what do you think if Justin does not follow our advice and releases this rap
• 42:25
  album like what are you giving?
• 42:28
  Oh god.
• 42:29
  What are you giving this mixtape one out of ten?
• 42:33
  Oh a negative 12.
• 42:35
  Okay you think it's going to be that bad?
• 42:37
  Oh no it's going to be awful.
• 42:40
  It's going to be awful.
• 42:41
  Do you have hope for this?
• 42:42
  Do you have hope for Justin Bieber's rap girl?
• 42:45
  A negative maybe like a two but I don't know.
• 42:47
  I feel like it's going to give vanilla ice.
• 42:50
  Oh.
• 42:51
  Markey Mark.
• 42:52
  I don't know.
• 42:53
  Absolutely one hit wonder.
• 42:55
  A little white boy trying to rap who grew up in Canada and I in it.
• 43:02
  I can't.
• 43:03
  I'm begging for Skrillex and Bieber to like reunite make me another where are you now?
• 43:10
  Oh I love that song.
• 43:13
  That would heal me.
• 43:15
  Those I'm totally I forgot the name of like their little duo.
• 43:19
  Jacky.
• 43:20
  Yes I loved Jacky.
• 43:22
  That's the only time that I was like I'm going to put a Bieber song in my playlist.
• 43:26
  Too late now to say sorry.
• 43:28
  Jacky was Diplo and Skrillex which they did make a lot of Justin Bieber songs which they
• 43:36
  were great.
• 43:37
  They were great.
• 43:38
  They were great.
• 43:39
  I love that era of Justin Bieber.
• 43:40
  Listen to that.
• 43:41
  It was by the pool.
• 43:42
  Yeah.
• 43:43
  I.
• 43:44
  Yeah.
• 43:45
  I also think I mean it sucks the way that the music industry is now where you really won't
• 43:50
  make any money unless you tour.
• 43:52
  Yeah.
• 43:53
  I just think that like you know not not in the cards for him right now.
• 43:57
  Mentally physically this boy does not I keep calling him a boy he's a grown man.
• 44:02
  Yeah.
• 44:03
  He does not need to be like he is a grown-ass man.
• 44:06
  Yeah and like it's I mean I couldn't tour I travel like 12 times a year for work and it's
• 44:12
  not going to be home in my every day.
• 44:14
  You know sleeping my bed.
• 44:15
  Yeah.
• 44:16
  And I'm a sleepy girl so yeah I do think that making music like just doesn't make sense
• 44:22
  right now but you can come back and make a crazy crazy like come back.
• 44:29
  Just a good dance pop album.
• 44:30
  It was five years.
• 44:32
  Five years.
• 44:33
  Yeah.
• 44:34
  Go make people miss you.
• 44:36
  Not be hyper critical and overlay critical of you like it is a playbook in in Hollywood
• 44:43
  as old as time.
• 44:44
  Yes.
• 44:45
  But yeah we wish we wish him well.
• 44:48
  We wish you well.
• 44:49
  We remember that celebrities and pop cultures ultimately am here.
• 44:54
  So if you were violently upset at Justin Bieber for being mean to his wife maybe we take a
• 45:01
  look at our husband.
• 45:02
  Hey that's deep that's deep.
• 45:05
  I think that's what I should be mean to their wife.
• 45:09
  No one should be mean to their spouse but no I agree.
• 45:12
  I wish him well.
• 45:13
  Let's all remember that celebrities are people too.
• 45:15
  Until they are publicly racist or rapists or yeah then we can then they can eat shit.
• 45:26
  That's a that's a good stuff.
• 45:28
  I think that's a good closer right there.
• 45:29
  Yeah.
• 45:30
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• 45:34
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