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Mega Edition: The Sarah Ransome Deposition From The Maxwell/Virginia Roberts Lawsuit (Part 8-10) (5/27/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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This episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off
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with the Sarah Ransom deposition. Menager. So you just described
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for us, I think what you recall being the third
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massage with Jeffrey Ransom. Yeah, Menager. Do you recall the
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next one after that? Ransom? It was? It was basically
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the same. I was called to give Jeffrey massages, Menager
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during that first trip to the island Ransom during the
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first trip, Yeah, Menager. Can you approximate how many massages
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you gave to them during that first trip, Ransom. I
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would give them up to maybe to a day. The
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other girls they had to also give them massages during
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that trip, Menager. And you don't remember days that trip was, Ransom, know,
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not specifically how many it was a few days. It
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was a few days, Menager. At some point did the
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massages become different than the one you just described as
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the third massage? Ransom? It was either Jeffrey lying on
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the massage, me massaging them and in turning sexual or
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vice versa. Pretty much from the third sexual massage I
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had with Jeffrey, all other massages were sexual, Menager. Do
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you recall who was on the flight home from that
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first trip, Ransom. I don't recall who was on the
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flight home. I think it was all the people that
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were on the first flight there, Menager. Did you receive
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any compensation from Jeffrey during that first trip? Ransom? I
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received like three hundred bucks or something, not a lot, Menager.
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When did you get that ransom at the end of
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the trip, Menager? And how was it given to you?
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Ransom in cash? Menager? By whom ransom? That specific time?
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It was Jeffrey? Menager? Where were you when he gave
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you that money? Ransom? I can't recall where I was
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when he gave me the cash. Manager. Did were you
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still with the other females that had been on the plane,
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Ransom when he gave me the cash? Menager? Yes, ransom.
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I can't recall. I don't remember if someone was with me,
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but we all knew that we were going to get cash. Manager.
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Did you see him giving cash to anyone else? Ransom?
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I saw him give cash to or redacted? Menager? How
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much did he give her, if you know, ransom? I
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don't know, Menager. Did you see redacted having any type
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of sexual relations with Jeffrey during this trip, Ransom, Yes,
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I did, Menager. When did you see that, Ransom? I
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didn't see it in the bedroom, but we were called
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on like a rotation visit for Jeffrey throughout the day
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and evening. Menager. When did you see her redacted having
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some type of sexual relationship with Jeffrey on the island
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during that first trip? Ransom? I didn't see her perform
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sexual acts on Jeffrey. Manager. Did anyone see you performing
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sexual acts on Jeffrey during the first trip to the island? Ransom? No? Menager.
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Did you tell any of these other women about what
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was going on during your massages with Jeffrey? Ransom? Yes? Yes. Manager.
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Who did you tell Ransom all the girls that were there? Menager?
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And again that is redacted and redacted and redacted, mister
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gergis objection, Menager. Do you remember Ransom? I can't say
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specifically if redacted was there. I can't remember redacted being there,
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so I don't like to bring redacted into the first trip.
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I saw her multiple times on the island, but I
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can't specifically place her there on the first trip. I
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just remember the key people that were there because they
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were the most vivid in my memory. Menager. Do you
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know if you took any pictures during that first trip? Ransom?
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I don't think during that first trip. No, we weren't
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actually allowed to bring any electronic devices with us. Menager,
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How did you learn that rule? Ransom redacted told me
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and the other girls told me? Manager, who are the
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other girls? Ransom redacted? Manager? Did you take a camera
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to the island? Ransom, not the first time? No, Manager.
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Did you have a digital camera at the Timeansome, Yes,
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I did, Menainger, what kind ransom? I can't remember, Menager.
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Did you have a phone with a camera on it? Ransom?
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I had a BlackBerry, yes, which you could take photos on. Menager.
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All right. Do you recall there being any sexual acts
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performed on the plane on the ride home during that
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first trip? Ransom? No? Menager, Okay. Do you recall going
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down a second time Ransom to the island? Menager? Yes, Ransom, yes. Manager.
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When did that happen? Ransom? Shortly. I can't remember specifically
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when it was, but it wasn't on I don't know
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the time length. I saw Jeffrey and Glaane and the
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crowd quite a lot in New York as well, so
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it's not clear to me when the second trip was. Menager.
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When was the first time you met Glaine Ransom. I'd
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been to the island a couple of times before, and
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then I met Glaine on the island, Menager. Tell me
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about your meeting with her, Ransom. I remember being told
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by everyone before she arrived who she was, and I
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was pretty much told the type of person she was,
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and that I had to do everything she told me
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to do. Menager. And who told you that Ransom? Redacted? Redacted,
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redacted and redacted? Every single girl that I came in
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communication with told me that, Menager, And what type of
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person did they tell you that she was? Ransom? She's
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incredibly intimidating. She's not someone you want to be stuck
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in an alley with at night. Put it that way.
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She's a very dangerous character and has connections. Menager. And
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that was communicated to you by this group of females redacted, redacted,
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redacted and redacted Menager, anyone else? Ransom? I mean, it
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was a general conversation amongst the girls about Glaine. So
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there were other girls all the time. So during the
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duration of my stay, so pretty much from my when
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I first arrived in New York. My entire time was
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spent with Jeffrey and Glaine and that crowd. So yeah,
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it was that's about everything, Menager. Okay, so you met Ransom.
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I'm I had a lot of girls who we all
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had the same opinion of Golaane. We were all frightened
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of her. She had a very odd relationship with Jeffrey.
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And yeah, she's not a nice I'm sorry. I know
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she's your client, but she's not She's not a friendly,
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warm person. I liked her dog though, her Yorkshire Terrier.
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Her dog was nice. Menager. You recalled meeting her for
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the first time on that island, Ransom. Yeah, she flew
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in by helicopter, Menager. And that was after you were
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on the island a couple of times, Ransom. Yeah, Menager.
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Did she fly the helicopter? Ransom, I can't remember if
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she flew it or not. I just remember her getting out,
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like getting out of a and going Golaine and I
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was like, I was quite frightened when she arrived. So, Menager,
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was she alone or with someone? Ransom? I can't remember
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if she was with someone. I just remember the first
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time I saw her, I was like is that it.
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She didn't look that scary when I first met her.
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Looks her deceiving Menager. So the first time you saw
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her she was getting off a helicop Ransom, Yeah, Manager,
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And you don't recall if she flew the helicopter Ransom.
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I don't recall if she flew it herself or if
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there was a pilot there. I just remember she arrived
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on a helicopter. Manager. What's the next thing you remember
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about your interactions with her personally? Ransom? She stayed on
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the island a few days, and I didn't have a
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lot of interaction with her. I avoided her, to be honest, Menager.
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Did you take pictures with her? Ransom? No. We weren't
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allowed any digital cameras on the island, Menager. Have you
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ever taken a picture of her Ransom? No. I didn't
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really feel comfortable and I didn't feel the need to
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take pictures of Glene for my photo album, Menager. Apart
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from staying away from her and not having a lot
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of interactions, do you recall anything else about your first
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interaction with her on the island Ransom? Yeah. She was
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incredibly unpleasant to me. She wasn't friendly or warm. Menager.
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What did she say or do? Ransom? She was very dismissive,
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just another girl. Really, Manager, did you ever give her
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a massage? Ransom? No, Manager, did she ever give you
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a massage? Ransom. She massaged me once or twice, but
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it was to refine my technique for Jeffrey. Menager. This
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was on the first time that you met her. Ransom. Yeah,
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during that trip she because Jeffrey again, he's quite specific
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on how he likes his massages, and yeah, I'm not
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that's not my forte massages. Manager. How did it come
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about that she was helping you to refine your massage techniques? Ransom.
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We were just sitting in the main area by the
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big house. That's where we chilled out. There's a table
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there as well, and yeah, we were just sitting on
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the sofas and I think I can't remember if I
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was giving Jeffrey a massage, but we were all sitting
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together and I think he was getting massaged by one
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of the girls and we were kind of taking it
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in turns. Menager. Was it sexual? Ransom? No, it wasn't sexual,
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but Glaine was there and I wasn't doing it properly
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and she showed me he had a massage them and
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how he liked it, Menager? And what part of his body?
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Did she show you how to massage? Ransom? His feet,
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his hands? Manager? Did she say anything to you, Ransom?
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I can't remember specifically what she said to me. She
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said a lot of things to me. Manager, Okay, well
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tell me what you remember that she said to you,
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Gurgis objection? When where? What? What are we talking about? Ransom?
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I can't remember specifically what she said to me. All
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I know is that she wasn't She wasn't a particularly
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a nice person to me or to anybody, so very dictatorial, manager,
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unlimited by time or anything. Do you recall anything Glaine
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said to you, Gurgis Objection. You're asking her, Ransom. It
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was had to massage, Jeffrey. I remember speaking to her
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quite a lot about my fit application. I remember speaking
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to Glaine about my psychiatrist, about my weight. My weight
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was a big issue, and in fact, everything was an
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issue with Glaine Menager during this first time you met her,
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other than discussing massages. Did those other topics come up? Ransom?
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I can't remember the first encounter with Golaine, but it
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was pretty soon after everything snowballed quite quickly. Manager, Well,
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you saw her getting off the helicopter, correct, Ransom, Yes, Manager,
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and you saw her on the island for a couple
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of days that time, you said, correct Ransom, Yeah. Manager.
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So during that time that you saw her over a
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couple of days, do you remember any other discussions you
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had with her apart from this massage? Ransom? We spoke
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about why I was there in New York. I mean
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we you know, she got to know me. She asked
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me a lot of questions about my family life. I mean,
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she questioned me a lot about my personal life, Menager.
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Was anyone else present when you were having these discussions
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with Glaine? Ransom? Yes? Everyone everyone that was redacted, redacted,
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Jeffrey and redacted. Men Was there anyone different on this trip, Ransom?
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Redacted as well, redacted? Was there Menager? Anyone else on
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this trip? Ransom? I can't remember Menager? Was redacted, redacted
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and redacted there, Ransom, not the first time that I
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met Klaine Menager? Was anyone else there? Ransom? I can't
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remember Menager. Anything that would help refresh your memory, Ransom,
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if you could give me the plane logs or something,
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or names or photos. Ten years, as I said, is
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an incredibly long time. I don't remember who. I mean,
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it was such a long time for me. I came
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to New York. My intention was to meet many people,
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make new friends, make a new life for myself, so
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I didn't really I don't remember names specifically, Menager. Do
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you remember any descriptions of other people who were on
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the island the first time you met Klaine Ransom? There
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were all beautiful people. I just remember being surrounded by
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beautiful young people. There were always girls. There were always girls,
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you know, girls didn't even have time to kind of
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remember girls' names because there was always people leaving the island,
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popping in, flying in, So there was a constant flux
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of people coming in, popping in, visiting Jeffrey and Golaine Menager.
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So the first time you met Glaine, you saw her
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get off the helicopter. She was on the island for
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a couple of days. Any other females you remember being
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there on that occasion? Mcaulay objection asked, an answered Ransom redacted, redacted,
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redacted and redacted, and I can't remember any others Menager. Menager,
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can you remember any descriptions of other people who were
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there on that occasion. Gurgis objection, asked An answered, Ransom.
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They were beautiful, they were pretty, and they were just
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beautiful Menainger hair color Gurgis objection, Ransom, normal Menainger, height, Ransom.
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I don't recall height, Menager, any other physical characteristics at all,
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mister Gergis objection. Ransom, just that they were extremely beautiful.
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I've never seen girls like that. Well, you had been
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a model in London, right, Ransom, Yeah, I have. But
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you know, Jeffrey Epstein, he acquired the elite, didn't he
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You know, him and Glaine, so they were pretty much
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the crem dela creme of the crop. I would say
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the girls that were around them, Menager on this first
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occasion when you met Glaine, and there were beautiful girls
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who you don't recall what they look like. You they
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were beautiful, Ransom. Yeah, there were beautiful people constantly surrounded
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by Jeffrey Epstein and Glaanne. They were only surrounded by
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beautiful people, beautiful girls, Menager. But apart from that, you
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don't have any other specifics, Ransom. I don't recall the
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appearance of the other girls. I don't as I will
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say again. There was a constant stream of people coming
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in going off the island, popping in, popping out, girls
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flying in, girls flying out. There were girls on the
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island that were their shorter time frames than me and
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flew out. I didn't really I hung out with my
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crew redacted redacted. They were my friends. I thought there
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were my friends, so I didn't really cozy up to
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any of the other girls. It's like high school. You know,
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you're not friends with everybody. You asked me who every
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one I went to high school with. I don't remember.
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I don't have a clue. I don't know who they are. Menager,
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Do you have a best friend from school? Gurgis objection
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Ransom several? Several? I mean, who has any best friends
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at school? School? School? We don't make best friends at school.
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All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up this part here
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and in the next episode we're gonna pick up where
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we left off. All of the information that goes with
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this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
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and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. This episode, we're
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gonna pick up where we left off with this Sarah
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Ransom deposition. Menager who is redacted. Ransom. She was an
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acquaintance that I met in New York. Manager. Where did
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you meet her? Ransom? I think I met her at
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a bar or something, Ransom. Manager. Was she a friend
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of yours during this time? Ransom? She was an acquaintance?
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I would say friend is yeah, I wouldn't say friend,
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I'd say acquaintance. Manager. So, on this occasion where you
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met Elaine on the island and you spoke to her
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about massage, did you ever have any other sexual type
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interactions with her? McCauley. I didn't hear the end of that.
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Did you say him? Manager repeats it sexual type of
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interactions with her? Ransom with her? Menager, Golaine, Ransom, No, Menager.
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And do you recall if she flew with you back
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on the plane, Ransom, I can't remember, Menager. What's the
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next time you went to the island, Ransom? Again, I
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don't remember specifically. I went various several times during the durations,
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so I remember there was a it was several times.
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I can't remember the next time I went to the island.
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I mean, it's to this, She's interrupted by Menager. Was
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it before you went back to South Africa? To visit, Ransom. Yes. Manager,
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All the visits to the island were before that. McAuley objection, Ransom,
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y yes. Manager. What's the next time you remember meeting
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Golaane Ransom? I met her at the office in New York. Manager.
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What's the office, Ransom? Jeffrey's office the main office? Manager?
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Where is that? Ransom? I don't remember the location. It's central.
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It's got a courtyard, like when you walk in, there's
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like a courtyard. Manager. What were you doing at Jeffrey's
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office in New York? Ransom? We were preparing for my
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college application. Jeffrey often wanted to see just how I
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was doing, so I had regularly popins to see him
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and Golaane, and Golane would often check how I was
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doing and blah blah blah. Manager, what were you doing
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to prepare for your college application? Ransom? I had to
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write an essay? Manager? When did you? Ransom? Also, I
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had to do, like, you know, how to apply for
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college applications. You've got your application forms and such. So
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it was more admin, Manager, and you were going to
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Jeffrey's office to work on your forms, yes, and to
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just say hi, I was well. I never went on
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my own accord. I was either invited or told to
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be there by either Glaine or Jeffrey. I also went
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to the offices on a number of occasions for a
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private legal matter. Manager, what's the private legal matter? Gerge objection,
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I'm going to direct you to not answer if it's
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unrelated to this case. Manager. Was there an attorney president Ransom? Yes? Manager.
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What was the name of the attorney? Who was President? Ransom?
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Alan Dershowitz? Manager, So I was asking about the second
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time you met Alaine. It was at Jeffrey's office in
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New York, Ransom, Yes, Manager. How did you come to
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be in Jeffrey's office in New York where you met
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Glaine the second time? Ransom? I was told to be there? Manager?
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And who told you to be there? Ransom? I think
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it was Golaine. Manager. How did Glaine tell you to
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be there? Ransom? I can't remember if it was via
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telephone call. I can't remember the exact communication that she used.
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But I was told a regularly be there when they
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wanted me there, and just grabbed a taxi and arrived
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at the office. Manager, Well, asking you about the second time,
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so you met her on the island and the next thing,
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you know, you have communication from her in New York. Ransom, well,
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she was always with Jeffrey in his office. So it's like, okay,
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let me just explain it a bit. So you go
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to an office and you see Jeffrey's office there and
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Glane Golaine was always at Jeffrey's office, so I think
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she had her own office there. So when you walk
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in and you've met people before, you kind of say
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hi to everyone, you know, you have a little chit chat.
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Do you understand, you don't you don't? You know? I
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chatted with Glaine. I chatted with Jeffrey. It was a
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super busy office. I can't remember specifically what was said.
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It was just a check in kind of manager. So
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you were going there to work on your college application
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and you happen to see Golaine in the offices. McAuley objection. Ransom.
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She you know, she partic disipated in the you know
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a lot. She was interested in me. I was, you know,
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she had interacted with me, Menager. I know, I'm trying
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to understand when you did this. When was it, Ransom?
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It was the second time, the first time I went
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to the office. The first time you went to the
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office the second time you met Colaine Ransom, yes, Menager.
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And when was it relative to the first time that
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you met Colaine Ransom. I can't remember if it was
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a couple of weeks later. I don't remember the exact
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timeframe of how many days or weeks there was between
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the first trip and then when I went into the office. Manager,
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But you recall going into the office to work on
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your college application. McAuley objection. Ransom, Yes, well, I went
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in a number of times to the office, so like
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we regularly had to report to Jeffrey in the office.
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It was a we were called all the time there, Menager.
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What do you mean you had to report there, Ransom, Well,
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Jeffrey liked to check you with all of us. Manager.
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How was it communicated to you that you needed to
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report to the office, Ransom, Jeffrey. I was just told
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to be there. I had to be there, Ransom, Menager.
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Who told you that, Ransom, Jeffrey and Glaine Manager, anyone else?
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Ransom redacted, redacted and redacted? Manager? How did they communicate
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to you, Ransom by telephone? Call? Manager to your cell
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phone Ransom and BlackBerry which they provided me? Menager? So
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you did not have a BlackBerry before you met Jeffrey Ransom. No, Manager,
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Then you got a BlackBerry when you were Ransom interrupts her.
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That's correct, Then Menager interrupts her. Acquainted with them? And
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what happened with the phone you had before Ransom? It
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got lost through translation. I have moved several times through
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the years, so manager, So you got messages or phone
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calls Ransom, BBMS phone calls, text messages, all the emails
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that they have sent me, I think you guys have.
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There wasn't a lot of email correspondence. The majority of
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it was done by phone call. Menager. Did you have
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any emails with Glaine? Ransom? No, no email correspondence with Glaine. Manager.
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Did you have her phone number? Ransom? I did at
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the time. Yeah. Manager. Do you remember what it was? Ransom? No? Menager?
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Do you remember what your number was? Ransom? No Gurgis objection,
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asked an answered Menager, Tell me about any conversations you
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have with Glaine that involved fit Gurgis objection beforem Ransom.
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I can't remember the specific conversation. There were many conversations.
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I was just applying doing an application form and they
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were trying to get me in they. Yeah, I can't
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remember the exact I think Golaine also knew people there,
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so they were basically trying to get me into fit. Menager, Well,
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tell me what you recall Gollaine saying versus they Ransom.
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I can't remember specifically the conversation, so I would not
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like to speculate, but I will give you the overall
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conversation and what it was regarding as far as my
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fit application, But I cannot remember the specific content or
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the specific words used. But it was surrounding my fit
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application and an essay I had to write, and they
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both proof read my fit application as well. Menager. And
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did they both read your essay? Ransom? Yes, they did, Menager.
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When did you write that essay? Ransom? I can't remember, Menager,
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before you went to South Africa? Ransom? Yes, Menager. And
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do you know what the application deadline was? Ransom, I
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don't know. I don't I can't remember, Menager. When did
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you meet Alan Dershowitz Ransom. I don't remember the specific date.
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It was a few months after I had been here
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in New York. Manager. Was it after you had gone
22:54
to the island? Ransom? Yes? Manager. Do you know what
22:58
time of year, Ransom, I mean I think it was
23:01
before winter. Manager. Well, you were here in the fall, Ransom, yeah, Manager,
23:06
and you left in the winter. Ransom, Yeah, I left
23:09
in May. Manager, So did you meet him before you
23:12
went to South Africa? Ransom? Yes. Manager. Well, let's be clear,
23:17
you were here until you went to South Africa and
23:20
you left for a while and then you came back,
23:22
right Ransom, m hmm. Manager, And how long were you
23:26
gone for Ransom? I think about three weeks? Yeah, about
23:29
three weeks. Manager. So you met him before you went
23:32
to South Africa Ransom, yes, Manager, and tell me about
23:36
when you met Alan Ransom. I first met Alan at
23:40
the offices. Manager, and tell me what happened, Ransom. I
23:44
can't really tell you what happened because it's about a
23:46
legal matter. Manager. Was he your lawyer, Ransom? He was
23:51
going to be assigned to me to be my lawyer. Manager,
23:54
assigned to be your lawyer, Ransom through Jeffrey's instruction. Manager, okay,
24:00
was he your lawyer? McAuley objection asked, An answered, men,
24:04
I don't know if there's privilege, Gurgis there's a privilege
24:07
whether he was retained or not. Right, I mean, if
24:09
you're at a cocktail party and you speak to a lawyer,
24:12
you know that conversation is privileged. So Manager, well, I
24:16
don't actually gurgis. You're free to research it. Manager, I
24:20
will ask questions then, to try to establish whether or
24:23
not there is a good faith basis. Manager, did you
24:26
approach Alan Dershowitz for the purpose of seeking legal advice? Ransom?
24:31
I was introduced to Alan manager by whom Ransom, Jeffrey Epstein? Manager?
24:36
On what day? Ransom? I don't recall what day. Manager,
24:40
Was it related to some event that had occurred just
24:43
before that? Ransom, Yes, that's correct, Menager. Were you in
24:47
touch with any law enforcement authorities? Ransom? No, Menager, huh, Ransom, no. Manager.
24:54
Was Jeffrey in the room when you were speaking with
24:56
Alan Dershowitz? Ransom, yes, Manager. Did jeff Epstein ever overhear
25:01
your conversation with Alan Dershowitz? Ransom, yes, Menager, What did
25:06
you talk about with Alan Dershowitz? Gergis objection. Ransom begins
25:11
to answer, but Gergis objects again. I direct the witness,
25:14
not the answer. Manager. A third party was in the room.
25:17
You've heard that council and you know that means that
25:20
that's a waiver. McCauley. No, I mean they would have
25:23
been involved. We don't know what the situation is. They
25:27
could have been involved together. There could be a number
25:29
of reasons why Jeffrey had some sort of common interest
25:32
with her. With that, Menager, did you sign a common
25:35
interest agreement with Jeffrey? Gurgis objection, Do not answer, Menager,
25:40
whether she had a common interest agreement with Jeffrey. You're
25:43
instructing her or not to answer? Is that right, counsel Gurgis?
25:46
Do you have real time in front of you, Council Manager,
25:49
I don't, Gergis, you don't. You can borrow mine, Menager,
25:54
I don't want it, thank you, Gergis, Okay, Menager, anyone
25:57
else in the room when you spoke mister Dershowitz Ransom? No, Menager,
26:03
describe mister Dershowitz for me. Ransom. He old age, white,
26:07
pasty skin, not very attractive, wears glasses, A bit of
26:11
an ugly man, really, Meninger. Did he have any facial hair? Ransom?
26:15
I can't recall at the time, No, Meninger, mustache Ransom,
26:19
I can't remember, Menager, Beard Ransom, I can't remember Menainger,
26:24
you can't remember if he had a mustache or a beard.
26:26
Gurgis objection, asked An answered McAuley objection, Ransom. I don't
26:31
recall seeing a massage, sorry, a mustache on Alan Dershowitz.
26:36
I don't recall a massive amount of facial hair. I
26:38
recall Alan Dershowitz. Whether he had a subtle amount, I'm
26:42
not sure. Yeah, it's he didn't have a beard. I
26:45
don't think Meninger, All right, did you sign an affe
26:48
of David that you submitted in this case? Ransom? Yes? Menager.
26:53
Did you make the allegation in your declaration that you
26:55
had a sexual relationship with Alan Dershowitz? Ransom, Yes, I
27:00
absolutely did, Meninger. When did you have sex with Alan
27:03
Dershowitz Ransom? I can't remember the exact time, but it
27:07
was in Jeffrey Epstein's New York apartment, Menager, we're in
27:11
the apartment, Ransom. It was in a bathroom. I can't remember, Menager.
27:15
Was it before or after you had this conversation that
27:18
you won't describe, Ransom? It was after, Menager. So do
27:22
you recall what month that was before you went to
27:25
South Africa or after you went to South Africa. Ransom,
27:29
I can't remember, Menager. How long did you speak to
27:32
Alan Dershowitz during your first meeting with them? Ransom until
27:36
I was finished explaining what my legal matter was, Menager.
27:39
Did he believe you to be did he believe that
27:42
he was your lawyer during that conversation? Gurgis objection, Mcaulay objection, Pottinger,
27:48
please Pagliuca. All right, guys, you know, let's just do
27:51
the deposition here without the chorus over there, Gurgis, and
27:55
without the speeches as well. We agree, let's carry on
27:58
without asking ridiculous questions about what other people's mental state was.
28:02
I think that's a good idea. Let's carry on, counsel, Menager.
28:07
Did you ever sign a fee agreement with Alan Dershowitz Ransom,
28:11
no Menager. Did you ever appear in court with Alan Dershowitz, Ransom,
28:15
no Menager. Did you ever appear in court yourself? Ransom,
28:19
no me. Did you ever have any contact with any
28:23
law enforcement officers while you were in New York? Ransom,
28:26
no Menager, any police Ransom, no Menager. After you left
28:30
that meeting with Alan Dershowitz, when did you see him next, Ransom.
28:34
I can't remember. I think it was at dinner. There
28:37
was a dinner, yeah, Menager. And do you know whether
28:40
the dinner was before or after you went to South Africa? Ransom.
28:44
I can't remember the specific time period, so I don't
28:46
remember if it was before or if it was after.
28:49
But it was to this She's interrupted by Menager. Where
28:53
was the dinner, Ransom? It was in a restaurant in
28:56
New York? Menager. What restaurant, Ransom, I can't remember, Menager.
29:01
Who else was there? Ransom? I remember Alan, Jeffrey myself.
29:05
I can't remember if others, if there were other people there, Menager.
29:09
What type of restaurant was it? Ransom? It was a
29:12
nice restaurant. Manager. Do you remember the type of cuisine? Ransom? No, Menager.
29:19
What do you remember discussing at dinner, Ransom the legal
29:22
matter that I had. Manager. Did you consider him to
29:24
be your lawyer at that dinner? Ransom? Yes, I did, Menager.
29:28
What's the next time you saw Alan Dershowitz Ransom at
29:31
Jeffrey Epstein's New York mansion. Menager? When was that ransom?
29:36
After the second time I had met Alan? Menager? Had
29:39
you been to South Africa, Ransom. I can't remember, Menager,
29:43
Tell me what happened during that encounter, Ransom. I walked
29:47
in the room. I walked in the house. Jeffrey and
29:49
Redacted and Alan were there. Menager, what happened after you
29:53
walked into the house, Ransom. I it was really strange
29:58
because Redacted didn't like me, and so when I arrived,
30:01
we had I think. I can't remember if I had
30:04
like water or whatever. Redacted took me upstairs. I remember
30:08
there was a room. I didn't quite understand what was
30:10
going on at the time. I knew obviously something was
30:13
going on because I've never met Redacted socially, so Redacted
30:18
started undressing me in the room. She started undressing me
30:21
by the bed, and we got on the bed. I
30:23
kind of knew what was going on from that. The
30:26
girls were often forced to have sex with each other
30:28
for Jeffrey's pleasure, so it was just another occasion, I guess.
30:32
Jeffrey then walked in the room. He started masturbating under
30:35
his clothes. He put his hand in his trousers. A
30:38
few minutes later, Alan walked in the room. He started undressing.
30:42
He got on the bed with Redacted. At myself and
30:44
we basically had a three way sexual interaction. Menager. Was
30:48
Alan fully clothed? Ransom during when at what's specific? He
30:52
walked in with clothes Menager? And he got fully undressed Ransom? Yes? Menager.
30:58
So you saw his entire naked body? Ransom? Yes? Menager.
31:02
Did you notice anything specific about his body? Ransom? Not
31:05
that I recall. I mean, yeah, not that I can't
31:08
really remember. It was quite a it was a it
31:12
wasn't a pleasant experience, Menager. What did you do with Alan? Ransom?
31:17
I gave him moral sex and masturbated him, Menager. Anything else? Ransom?
31:21
He did the same with redacted. He performed the same
31:24
on me. Menager. Did he ejaculate? Ransom? He did, yeah,
31:28
Menager in your mouth? Ransom? No, Menager. Did you have
31:32
intercourse with him? Ransom? No? Not penetration, no, Menager. Did
31:36
you see him ejaculate more than once? Ransom? No? I
31:39
didn't see him ejaculate more than once? Menager. You didn't
31:43
notice any scars mcauleay objection, Ransom, I don't recall specific
31:48
markings on every man I've been with body, so it's
31:50
not something I wasn't ravishing Alan's body. I was trying
31:54
to close my eyes and just get it done so
31:56
I could go home and watch TV. Really, so, I
31:59
really wasn't a I don't really like kind of go
32:02
whoo his body. I don't recall his body at all,
32:06
Like I don't make a mental note of every man's body.
32:08
I've slept with Menager other than Jeffrey Is. At the
32:12
first time you had sex with another man in his
32:14
home or on his property? Ransom? Sorry, can you just
32:19
repeat the question, Gurgis or rephrase it? Ransom. I'll just
32:23
read it, Gurgis, if you understand it, Ransom. Yeah, he
32:26
was the only person Alan Dershowitz. Menager, Did you have
32:29
sex with him more than once? Ransom? No, Menager at
32:33
the occasion you just described. Did he have an erection? Ransom?
32:38
It was, it was, It wasn't particularly hard. It was
32:42
pretty disappointing, Menager. And where did he ejaculate? Ransom? I
32:47
had given him oral sex, and well, he ejaculated, he ejaculated.
32:51
I mean, there's only so many places a man can ejaculate.
32:54
He didn't ejaculate on me. He didn't ejaculate in my mouth.
32:57
I gave him moral and I masturbated him and finished
33:00
them off. He ejaculated over himself. Me just there wasn't
33:04
a lot of ejaculation. I don't remember a lot of sperm.
33:07
I didn't see massive amounts of semen. But I just
33:10
remember him ejaculating. But it wasn't in my mouth, Menager.
33:14
And in terms of time frame, the best you can
33:16
say is that it was after you had been to
33:19
the island a few times. Ransom. That's correct, Menager. And
33:23
you don't remember if it was before or after you
33:25
went to South Africa, Ransom, I can't remember specifically, no, Menager.
33:31
Did you see Alan Dershowitz again after that occasion? Ransom, no, Menager.
33:36
So you saw him at the office, you say you
33:39
saw him at dinner, and you say you saw him
33:41
one time in the bedroom at Jeffrey's house. Ransom, that's correct, Menager.
33:46
It's one o'clock. I think we should take a small
33:48
lunch break. How anyone can even talk about eating lunch
33:51
after we just heard about Alan gross ass Dershowitz ejaculating
33:55
is beyond me. But here we are, so we're gonna
33:58
take a break as well. That way we can all
34:00
go throw up and then we'll pick up where we
34:02
left off in the next episode. All of the information
34:05
that goes with this episode can be found in the
34:08
description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the
34:12
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna pick up where
34:16
we left off with a Sarah Ransom deposition, and in
34:20
that last episode, we left off with Sarah Ransom talking
34:23
about Alan Dershowitz. So let's get back to it. Gergis counsel.
34:29
Before you commence with your questioning, I think there's one
34:32
issue from this morning that the witness wants to correct
34:35
herself on, so just let her do that now, Ransom.
34:39
I said earlier that I would just like to correct
34:41
that my lawyers are paying for they are covering my
34:44
hotel expenses. Meninger, thank you for the clarification, Ransom, and
34:50
she's cut off by mister Gergis. Go ahead, Ransom and
34:53
my flight Meninger, thank you. Now back to the questioning, Menager,
34:58
going back to your first conversation with Alan Dershowitz. At
35:01
any point in that conversation, had mister Dershowitz agreed to
35:05
act as your lawyer, Ransom, Yes, Menager, did he do
35:09
anything in terms of contacting anyone on your behalf Gurgis objection,
35:13
do not answer, Menager, what was the specific legal matter
35:17
that you were seeking representation for? McCauley objection. Gurgis objection,
35:22
do not answer, Menager. What did you understand the purpose
35:26
of Jeffrey Epstein being in that room for during that conversation? Ransom?
35:31
Jeffrey was there to support me, and Jeffrey was looking
35:34
after me, Menager. When you engaged in sexual conduct with
35:39
Alan Dershowitz, did you see any evidence on his body
35:42
of his surgical procedure? Ransom? I don't recall seeing anything.
35:46
I can't remember, Menager. Did you see any bandages? Ransom?
35:50
I can't remember. Menager. Did you see him bleed through
35:54
his penis? Ransom? Not that I recall, Menager. Do you
35:57
recall seeing mister Dershowitz bleed through penis? Ms McCauley objection,
36:02
asked and answered, Ransom, not that I recall, Menager. When
36:06
you were on the island sometimes less than ten times,
36:09
you think, did you ever use any drugs? Ransom, no, Meninger.
36:13
Did you use cocaine? Ransom, no Meninger. Did you ever
36:17
get thrown off the island for using cocaine? Ransom? No Meninger.
36:21
Did you drink alcohol? Ransom no, Menager none. Ransom during
36:26
on the island, whenever I was around Jeffrey, absolutely not, Meninger.
36:31
Other than going to the island, Did you travel anywhere
36:33
else with Jeffrey Ransom? No? Menager. Did you ever travel
36:37
anywhere with Glenn Maxwell Ransom? No? Menager. Did you ever
36:42
fly on an airplane with Glenn Maxwell Ransom? I don't remember, Meninger.
36:48
You don't remember any time you flew on a plane
36:50
with Glen Maxwell Ransom. No, I don't remember. There were
36:54
always many people on the plane, Meninger. When you refer
36:58
to the plane, you're referring to a private plane, Ransom,
37:02
Jeffrey's plane, yes, Menager. Did you travel on more than
37:06
one plane of Jeffrey's Ransom? Not that I know. I
37:09
don't remember. I don't remember, Menager. Can you visualize in
37:13
your head any other layout of a different type of
37:16
plane than the one you drew in defendant's Exhibit number one? Ransom? No, Menager.
37:21
Why did you go to South Africa in early two
37:24
thousand and seven Ransom to visit my family? Menager? And
37:29
which family members did you visit? Ransom? My father and
37:32
my stepmother, Menager anyone else? Ransom, no Menager? Any siblings? Ransom,
37:38
My younger brother and my sister live with my parents,
37:41
my dad and my stepmom and their two younger children. Meninger.
37:45
Did you see any school friends there? Ransom? No Menager?
37:49
Who paid for your plane ticket to go to South Africa? Ransom?
37:53
Jeffrey did? Menager? How did that come about? Ransom? I
37:57
wanted to see my family and defunded the plane ticket
38:00
because he was funding everything else at that time. Menager?
38:03
What else was he funding at that time? Ransom? Accommodation,
38:08
travel taxis food, my prescription that I had to pay
38:11
for for the prescription that prescription drugs? Menager? Had you
38:16
taken any prescriptions for mental health disorders before October two
38:20
thousand and six? Ransom? No, Menager? Have you taken any
38:24
since May of two thousand and seven? Ransom? Yes, I have? Menager?
38:29
Which ones? Ransom? Peroxetine? Menager? Anything else? McAuley, I'm going
38:35
to object there's no timeframe on this. You're talking about
38:38
one year, all the years from two thousand and seven
38:41
to twenty fifteen, which I would say is inappropriate for
38:45
a non party witness to talk about her if you're
38:47
talking generally about prescriptions. Then this whole next section is
38:51
completely redacted. The next section completely redacted, next section completely redacted.
38:58
Back to Ransom, I had been described were incorrect, Menager.
39:02
Those are the ones you mentioned earlier in your testimony. Ransom. Yeah,
39:06
I had to stop and change medication because I was
39:08
first started on lithium and the lithium made me put
39:11
on weight at quite a rapid rate. So I was
39:14
put on so many different types of medication because I
39:17
didn't not everyone agrees with you. Weight was a massive
39:20
issue for Glaine and Jeffrey, So the lithium just didn't
39:24
work for me. I mean, I put on weight quite quickly. Menager.
39:28
What did Glen Maxwell say to you about weight? Ransom? Well,
39:32
what did she not say? She bullied me massively about
39:35
my weight, Menager? What did she say? Ransom? I was
39:38
told that I would lose Jeffrey's financing if I didn't
39:41
lose weight, and I would not they would not help
39:44
me get into fit. Menager. Who were you told that
39:47
by Ransom? Glaine and Jeffrey Menager in the same conversation, Ransom,
39:53
various conversations, Menager, Tell me your conversations with Golaine. When
39:58
did she say that to you, Ransom on the island
40:01
Menager before you went to South Africa? Ransom, yes, Menager.
40:05
And was that in person? Ransom, yes, Menager. Who else
40:10
was present? Ransom redacted, redacted, redacted and redacted, a girl
40:14
name redacted, and a girl name redacted. Sorry, I just
40:18
remembered a name, A girl name redacted, and a girl
40:20
named redacted. Menager. So they were all present when you
40:25
had a discussion with Golaine about your weight on the island. Ransom, yes, Menager.
40:30
And what did Glaine say to you about your weight
40:33
when you were on the island in front of all
40:34
those people? Ransom? I can't remember the specific conversation how
40:38
it went. We got into an argument about my weight,
40:41
quite a heated argument, Menager. What do you recall about
40:45
the argument, Ransom? I recall it got so heated that
40:48
I ran off and tried to swim off the island.
40:51
I wanted to get as far away from Jeffrey and
40:53
Golaane as possible Menager. Okay, And then what happened? Ransom?
40:59
I left the main house. I took there's like a
41:01
buggy thing. It was evening. I drove to a particular
41:04
spot on the island. It was so Jeffrey's Island is
41:07
quite rocky around the edges, so and it's not really
41:11
you can't just go into the water. It was quite
41:14
steep and well, I didn't really know how to swim anyway.
41:17
I didn't know how to escape, but I wanted to
41:20
at that precise moment get as far away from him
41:22
as possible. Menainger. So you had a heated argument about
41:26
your weight with Golaine Ransom. Glaine and Jeffrey Menager, they
41:31
were both there. Ransom, yes, Menager, and do you remember
41:35
anything that was said during that argument? Ransom? It was
41:38
basically an ultimatum that I either lose weight or or
41:42
that's it. Ransom. Sorry, can I sorry, I need to
41:46
get a headache tablet if you don't mind. Meninger go
41:49
off the record for a second. So they go off
41:51
the record real quick. They have some discussions that were
41:54
held off the record. Then they're back on. Meninger, go
41:57
back on Menainger. You were given an ultimatum to lose
42:01
weight or what Ransom, They wouldn't help me get into fit,
42:05
and that my time with Jeffrey would be over, it
42:08
would end. Menager. Who said that? Ransom, Well, they both.
42:12
They both said it in not so many words. I
42:15
can't remember the exact conversation. I remember it being heated.
42:19
I remember them giving me the ultimatum. I think a
42:21
few curse words were shared. I can't It was very heated.
42:25
I can't remember the exact words. Meninger was redacted there, Ransom, No,
42:30
I don't recall her being there, Menager. Were you taking
42:34
the medication that you talked about earlier during this time period? Ransom? Yes, Menager.
42:39
Had you put on weight since taking those medications? Ransom, yes,
42:44
I had, And I had also put on weight because
42:47
I wasn't allowed to smoke any cigarettes at all with
42:49
Jeffrey on the island or anywhere near Jeffrey. Jeffrey wasn't
42:53
allowed to know that we smoked, so I put on
42:56
also a lot of weight as well, in conjuncture with
42:58
the lithium. So yeah, yeah, Menager. How did the topic
43:02
of your weight come up? Ransom? Well, I wasn't as
43:05
skinny as the other girls, and Jeffrey liked his girls
43:08
very thin. Menager. Were you interested in modeling at that
43:12
point in time, Ransom, I was doing freelance modeling at
43:15
the time, But I mean I wasn't exactly going to
43:18
be Kate Moss, and the modeling agency thought I wasn't
43:20
bateed enough for them either. I would like to clarify
43:24
that I wasn't actually fat. I was a normal weight,
43:26
by the way, just to make that clear. I'm sixty
43:29
four sixty five kilograms at that time. Menager. What did
43:33
you understand that Jeffrey and Galan wanted you to lose weight? Ransom?
43:38
I was one of the girls that Jeffrey has sexual
43:41
encounters with regularly. He liked his girls thin. Menager. Did
43:45
you ask Jeffrey to help you become a model? Ransom? No.
43:48
I wanted to get a degree and an education, Menager.
43:52
So you were not attempting to become a model at
43:54
this point in time, Ransom, No, I wanted to get
43:57
an education as opposed to being a model. Manager. Did
44:01
you talk to or redacted and redacted about becoming a model? Ransom? I,
44:07
as I was freelancing during that time, or trying to
44:09
get freelancing work. Jeffrey kept us on a little string
44:13
with his massage payments, so I wanted to earn a
44:16
separate income while I was doing my education. To fund
44:19
my living expenses. So you know, I wanted to potentially
44:22
increase my jobs. But no, my job was not to
44:25
be a high fashion model. I wanted to get my degree,
44:28
get my education, and work in the fashion industry. Manager,
44:33
you had worked as a model during college earlier, correct Ransom, Yes, Manager,
44:38
and you saved up money from that job, correct Ransom, yes, manager,
44:43
and you had used that money to fly to New
44:44
York at some point, correct Ransom, Yes, Manager. And what
44:49
you're saying now is you would also potentially do modeling
44:52
while you were studying in the future. Mister gergis objection.
44:56
That's not at all what she's saying, Ransom, as in future,
44:59
as in would I do modeling now? Manager, No, I'll
45:04
rephrase the question, Ransom. Please, Manager, let's take a break,
45:08
go off the record, and when you finish the salad,
45:10
we'll proceed. They get back on the record and Menager
45:14
starts with the questions once again. At the time you
45:17
were having a discussion with Jeffrey and Glen about your
45:19
weight when you were on the island. Did you have
45:22
any intention of being a model at that time? Ransom,
45:25
I was a freelance model. I wanted to increase my
45:28
workload to help fund my living expenses. So it was
45:31
not my intention to be a full time model, because
45:34
I quite clearly applied to a college to get an
45:36
education that I was promised by Jeffrey Epstein. Manager between
45:41
January of two thousand and seven and today, have you
45:44
worked as a model? Ransom? No? Manager? When you left
45:48
for South Africa? Did you have a ticket to return
45:50
to the US? Ransom? At that time a return ticket
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hadn't been booked by Jeffrey yet. Manager. You traveled to
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South Africa to visit your family without a return ticket? Ransom? Yes, Manager.
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Did anyone travel with you to South Africa? Ransom no, Menager,
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your mother was not in South Africa when you went
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to South Africa on that occasion in two thousand and seven? Correct, Ransom, Correct, Menager.
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What did you do while you were in South Africa
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in February of two thousand and seven, Ransom, spend time
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with my family? Mener. Did you visit any modeling agencies? Ransom, Yes,
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I did visit some modeling agencies. Menager. Which modeling agencies
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did you visit? Ransom? I can't remember the exact names
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the modeling agencies were on Long Street in Cape Town.
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I visited several modeling agencies on Long Street and Bree
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Street as well Bree Street and Long Street and a
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few others in central Cape Town, So I visited a few. Actually, Menager,
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had you worked with any of those modeling agencies in
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the past? Ransom? No, Menager, did you have any connection
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with any of those modeling agencies? Ransom? No, Manager? What
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did you do when you visited the modeling agencies in
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Cape Town in February of two thousand and seven, Ransom,
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I was requested to look for a PA for mister Epstein. Manager.
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What does that mean? Ransom? It means that he told
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me he would pay me a certain amount of money
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to find him a PA in South Africa? Manager, what
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do you understand the initials PA to stand for Ransom?
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Personal assistant manager? What are the job requirements of a
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personal assistant? Ransom? To book flights, type do faxes? Basically,
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a PA is your a CEO's right hand man of
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you know, companies, anything business wise. They do everything really
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for that person. Manager, When did Jeffrey ask you to
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find him a PA while in South Africa? Ransom? Before
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I went, Manager, did you agree to do that Ransom, Yes, manager,
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And you did go to the modeling agencies, Ransom? I
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told Jeffrey I did, but actually I went to a
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couple and then I just it wasn't right. My gut
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instinct was, yeah, Menager, what happened when you went inside
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the modeling agency in Cape Town? Ransom? I was humiliated.
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I was completely embarrassed. I couldn't even ask them what
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Jeffrey was wanting. I mean, it was so absolutely ridiculous
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his request of me finding him a PA. Menager? So
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what happened? Ransom? So I asked if they had any
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girls that would want to travel, that they would be
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put up in accommodation and they would be a PA.
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And when I actually spoke to the modeling agencies, they
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actually laughed at me because it was quite ridiculous that
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a young twenty two year old was asking a modeling
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agency for an eighteen year old PA for a multi
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billionaire who had several already menagers. So you recall a
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conversation where the person you were speaking to started laughing, Ransom, yes, Menager.
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What type of person were you describing that you were
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looking for? Ransom? The same speci vacations that Jeffrey told
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me she had to be eighteen, thin, very young looking
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and pretty. Menainger. Anything else, Ransom, well, bright and be
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able to type. Meninger. Did you go on a diet
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while you were in South Africa? Ransom? I was forced
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to go on a diet, Meninger, Tell me what you mean,
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forced to go on a diet? Ransom. After that incident
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on the island in it was December when Glane brought
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me back to the main house after she she sent
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a search party. She led a search party to find
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me on the island and bring me back. Meninger. Golaine
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let a search party, Ransom, Yeah, yeah, she got everyone
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together and they all went looking for me when I disappeared. Meninger.
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Who went looking for you? Ransom redacted, redacted, Jeffrey, the
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girls Golaane, Menager, which girls Ransom? Redacted and redacted? The
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girl name redacted? Ransom. Did Jeffrey go searching for you Ransom? Yes, Menager.
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How do you know that, Ransom? I was told Menager
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about whom Ransom by redacted and the other girls. Meninger,
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Where were you located, Ransom on the island Menainger. Where
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on the island Ransom a corner of the island. Menager
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on the water, Ransom, No, it was quite a long
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drop off. It was like a cliff type. I wasn't
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able to jump to get in the water. Meninger. Your
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intent was to swim off the island, but you didn't
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make it into the water. Ransom, No, because I would
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have killed myself, so it wasn't safe. Meninger. So who
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located you on this corner of the island, Ransom, I
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can't remember who got to me first. I remember, I
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can't remember who found me first. Menager. Do you remember
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anyone who found you? Ransom? Yes, I definitely found because
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I didn't have enough time to find a different location
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on the island so I could get off and swim
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away from Jeffrey and Glane Menager. Once they found you,
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what happened, Ransom? I was brought back to the main house, Menager.
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How were you brought back? Ransom the same way that
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I got there? On the beach buggy black four by four? Not?
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What are they quad things? McCauley quad bikes? Ransom, quad bikes? Yeah? Manager.
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Did you bike back, Ransom? Yes, Manager, accompanied by some people. Ransom.
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I was accompanied back, Yes, manager by whom Ransom I
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can't remember specifically who it was. All right, folks, we're
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gonna wrap this part up here, and then the next
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episode we'll pick up where we left off. All of
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