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Chatting with Dr Bangs · Chatting with Cara - The Relationship with Food Podcast

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Hello, welcome to Chatting with Cara.
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I'm Cara, your compassionate life coach, relationship with
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food specialist, and I'm here to help you understand yourself a
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little bit better each week. However you found your way here
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today, I'm glad you're listening.
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Maybe your friend sent you this episode.
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Maybe you've been with me from the start, or maybe you're just
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curious about doing things differently when it comes to
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food, your body, and how you feel about yourself.
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Whatever brought you here, you're in the right place.
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Here's what I do on the show. I've honest, kind conversations
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about the stuff that's actually holding you back.
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Not the surface, several stuff, the deep stuff, the root causes.
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Because when you truly understand why you think and
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feel the way you do, then everything starts to change.
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It doesn't feel hard anymore. It just feels natural.
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So get comfortable, make yourself a group, and let's have
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a proper chat about the things that matter.
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This is chatting with Garba. Welcome to this week's Chatting
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with Cara. I have got a treat for you this
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week and we're not treating in the same word as like, food.
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No, this is an actual treat. I am joined today by Doctor
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Bangs. Hello, Doctor Bangs.
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Yes, there you are, Doctor Bangs, an obstetrician and
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gynaecologist. I'm going to let Laura introduce
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herself a lot better than what I have, but I really wanted Laura
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on my podcast because recently met Laura but followed it.
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Followed you for ages, haven't I?
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Yeah, I think so. One of the originals.
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Yes. And then I was like, oh, just
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you really meet someone on the same wavelength as as you.
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It's like, right, you need to come on my podcast.
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And now here she is. I am.
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Thank you so much for having me. I'm very excited.
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I'm very excited whenever I have a guest on.
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Everybody loves it. It's like they love the guests
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more than me. So try not I.
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Love you too, Cara. Try not to love Laura too much,
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but you know, I'm still here. I've got some great questions
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coming up for Laura today, so we're going to delve straight
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in. So, Laura, what's your name and
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where'd you come from? My name is Doctor Laura Banks.
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I'm a consultant obstetrician and gynecologist, and I come
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from Stoke on So yeah. So going back to that, actually
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tell me, give me like a snapshot of your life story.
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OK, so yeah, I was born in 1985, so I am 40, which is one of the
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best ages I feel, but that's digressing slightly.
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Born and bred in Stoke on Trent and went to the local high
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school, local college and decided that I had a an absolute
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fascination with the human body, particularly how women's bodies
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create babies and it doesn't go wrong more often and things like
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that. It just encapsulated and
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fascinated me, was quite sciency based, even though I was still a
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bit of creative sort of influence in me as well.
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And it was a case of right, do I want to be a doctor or do I want
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to be an interior designer? That was literally my, my kind
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of choices at sort of 1718 and did some science A levels, got
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quite good grades. And so I applied to, I actually
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applied to the University of Manchester to do medicine and I
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got a place. And when it came down to it the,
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that year, so it was 2003, I started medical school.
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They were starting a year at Manchester, but they were also
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starting a Guinea pig year at Keel.
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And they allocated me to the Guinea pig year at Keel.
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And I thought, oh, that's great, I've got into Med school, but
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it's a keel. It's literally 10 minutes down
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the road. I wanted to go to a big city,
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blah, blah. But actually it was the best
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thing that could have happened to me.
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Manchester had a year of about 450 students per year and we
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ended up with 56 per year. So yeah, did a five year course.
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A huge percentage, I think about 50 or 60% of us ended up
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marrying each other. It's quite an ancestral.
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Yeah. And I met my husband there and
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some of my greatest friends there.
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So yeah, I did five years at medical school at Keele and
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then, yeah, it started my junior doctor year, see, now called
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resident doctors, but junior doctor years at Stokes at the
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University Hospital of North Midlands, it's now called.
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And yeah, one of my very first jobs was in obstetrics and
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gynaecology and I ended ended up working as the junior doctor on
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the ward where I was born. So that was really cool.
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It was in the old maternity block before it got knocked down
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and they built the new big hospital there.
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And for me, going through medical school, we obviously
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have to cover every single aspect of the human body.
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But for me, it was always this fascination and this kind of, I
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was always drawn to 1's Women's Health that it just fascinates
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me how what women goes through, the changes they go through,
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what they can accomplish, what our bodies are capable of, full
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stop. And you, you kind of do a couple
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of years and then you have to apply for specialist training.
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And lots of people have a couple of options.
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I only ever applied for Opsangani because I didn't want
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to do anything else. That was all my eggs were in one
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basket. That was always going to do.
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So yeah, I got accepted to specialist training.
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This should take around roughly 7 years full time.
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But I married a trauma surgeon and had a couple of kids.
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So I did it part time over 12 1/2 years, which actually I
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think made me a better doctor because I've just experienced
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life and I've got to see my children grow up.
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I mean, they're not grown up by any stretch of the imagination.
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And it's just that that kind of working part time and yeah, we
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have to move around a lot in the West Midlands and things.
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But working in different hospitals, seeing so many
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different communities, seeing so many different cohorts of of
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kind of, you know, women and what they go through is amazing.
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Had some amazing teachers, learnt what I want to do when
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I'm a consultant and what I don't want to do when I'm a
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consultant, as we do through all walks of life.
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And yeah, I stayed in the NHS for about 20 years, became a
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consultant and realised that actually I felt quite stifled as
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a consultant. There were lots of things that I
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couldn't do within the NHS even though I tried to do them.
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And ultimately as well for me, it was a kind of, I, I suppose
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I'd burnt out in the NHS, too long working hours, too much
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pressure and that feeling of not being able to do enough for
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women with the resources that we had.
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I think we're all fairly aware that the NHS is time poor,
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underfunded. And so rather than trying to
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fix, fix, the NHSI resigned and now I've started my own medical
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company called the Dahlia Medical Company, which is still
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in its infancy and a little bit scary.
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And the whole point of daily medical is that actually you can
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do healthcare on your own terms. It's without the pressures of
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rush time, but it's with a real human that actually knows how it
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feels to struggle, but that has all this experience and this
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expert knowledge. And everything we do is still
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high quality evidence based care so that you know you're getting
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a human all this high quality evidence and it's about putting
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you back in the power, in the driving seat of your health.
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I love that. That's been a very big notcher.
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Isn't it just a sign of our time that you have to say you're
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getting a human? It's not always, it's not always
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the case nowadays, is it? I think AI has got, you know, AI
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and we'll probably talk about this a bit later.
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AI has got a really good important role I think in
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healthcare, but there's there's so much power in human
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connection and whilst AI will take over bits of it, you cannot
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be talking to people, whether it's in a podcast, a
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conversation after a meeting, etcetera.
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That's where that's where the real magic lies, I think.
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Yeah, well, it isn't it that is, that is human connection is the
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best thing. It really is.
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Thank you very much for that. That was a really great summary
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of everything and I love that. I'm always fascinated by doctors
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because when I was at university, we did an asthma
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Physiology with the first year doctors and you could tell the
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doctors I support science. So we were all there in like our
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track suits and then the doctors were there and they did like
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constantly. They were always under pressure.
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They were always like lecture to lecture.
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And we were like, what are you dressing up as?
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Was Wednesday night? And they were, they were just, I
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was. I'm always fascinated by
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doctors. We'd, we'd always get Wednesday
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afternoons off to sort of play sport and things like that.
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But you had so much work that you were catching up on it all
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the time. And I don't, I don't know about
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all the medical schools, but in Kiel the medical school was
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quite separate. It was sort of at the top of the
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hill. So we were quite isolated from
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the, the kind of rest of the, of the university.
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But there wasn't, it was a very traditional kind of, or
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untraditional as as unions go. We didn't really have days where
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we had no lectures. It was in the anatomy lab,
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lectures in the kind of experimentation lab.
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It was, it was full on for five years.
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Yeah, we've still got good holidays, extended breaks and
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things. But yeah, it was it was full on.
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Yeah, I can always remember our first year, we walked in to like
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a oh, what? What were they called?
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They were like, it was a lab. We walked into lab and it was a
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morgue and there were like bodies and we had to dissect
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these muscles and move these bones and identify stuff.
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And I was like prepared for this.
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And then we had to go back every Thursday.
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It was like, Oh my God. It's quite, I think because you,
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a lot of us were 18, so there was a quite a high percentage of
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post grads on our course because it was keel and they attracted a
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lot of post grads. But eight of us, there was a
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group of eight of us and we all had a cadaver.
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We all had a body as was called Fred.
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He wasn't actually called Fred. That's what we called him.
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We actually grew quite close to him.
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But we spent two years and yeah, we actually dissected every
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single part. I'll spare you the in depth
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stories that I mean, that's probably another podcast, but
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someone else's podcast, probably not your bag, but it it what is
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amazing, you kind of think, gosh, at 18, that's quite, it's
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quite a lot to deal with. But actually it gave me a
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massive, you know, when people donate their bodies to science,
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it's incredible because we spend that 30 years of medical school
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understanding the basics, which give you a real, you know, basis
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to understand everything else. It's and it was a real privilege
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to do. There's a lot, a lot of medical
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schools that don't do that now, but it was an incredible
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privilege. I I'll donate anything to
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scientific research I will like have it.
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Noted. You've recorded that now?
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Extended on me, I'll have anything.
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So when did you leave the NHS? So I officially left the NHS
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last September in 2025. That's when my contract
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finished. And I think, yeah, I finished on
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the 9th or 10th. And then a day or two later, I
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set up daily medical because I, I knew that I couldn't not do
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this. I, I thought about when I left
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the NHSI, thought, right, should I go and work in Lidl and do
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something, you know, completely different?
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Should I go and change career? But to be honest, I got to the
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age of 40 with two, I've got two daughters who are 6 and 11.
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And I just thought, I actually can't face, we do so many exams
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as a doctor, I thought I can't actually face any more
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education, any more exams in terms of big hurdles like that.
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And lots of the pressures in the NHS were kind of around.
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I wanted to spend more time with patients and I couldn't.
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I wanted to do things that the managers sort of said no to
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reasonable things, but just there wasn't the funding there.
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And then I kind of thought, well, something shifted in me
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massively at 40. And I thought, well, if I can't
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do it, if I can't do it there, why not?
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It sounds random, but you know, why not create my own healthcare
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company where I can call the shots and I can give patient
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centred care again? Because we all know that the NHS
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is built on a model of patient centred care.
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But actually, when it comes down to it, a lot of the time
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patients do get overlooked. It's balancing a spreadsheet,
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it's balancing a service provision.
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And so I thought I kind of did that.
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Well, how, how hard can it be? And it is tough trying to set up
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your own healthcare business. But the thing that drives me
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massively is I just have this unwavering passion for for
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Women's Health and I seem to be quite good at it.
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So that's why so many people around me were like, don't give
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this up, don't give this up. And I can't believe that I was
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ever in a situation now where I thought about giving it up.
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But I know that the situation I was in, in my NHS consulting job
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just wasn't the right situation. So I jumped out, doing it my own
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way. Yeah, you've literally just done
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the same thing but changed your environment, haven't you?
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Yeah, absolutely. It's it's that whole, you know,
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if a flower doesn't grow, we don't chastise the flower, do
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we? We water it, we maybe change it
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soil, we move it into the sunlight and choose it as it
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sounds. That's exactly what I've done
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with myself. Love that.
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So what does daily medical offer?
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What? What?
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What is it? So Daily Medical is a women's
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healthcare company that offers a range of services that ideally
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focus on the transitions in a woman's life.
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So my specialist passion is post Natal care and post Natal
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support. If you have had a baby or know
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anyone that has, you get at the moment we get quite reasonable
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care antenatally and delivery wise.
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But then post Natal you just get dropped off a Cliff and it's
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very much a case of well what do I do now?
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I've just been through a big transition, a life changing
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event. Everyone's focused on the baby,
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baby checks, baby this, baby that.
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What about the mum? So that's the first thing for me
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is, is post Natal care. The second thing is another
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transition is kind of perimenopause and menopausal
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care. So again we just get told this,
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Oh well, it's normal, it's your age, this, this, this and and
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whilst that is true, it doesn't mean that it shouldn't be
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supported. So at Daily Medical we offer
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post Natal checks, we offer, we're going to soon start
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offering a menopause service. We also, I also do something
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called ask the consultant, which is an ask the expert session.
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So for me, a lot of what I believe in is that and it's a
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cheesy phrase, I want to find a better one, but knowledge is
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power. So we get a lot of people that
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have been to see, they've waited ages, they've seen a consultant
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specialist and they've been told, for example, that they've
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got PMDD or they've been told that they've got endometriosis
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and they need to go on a waiting list for this or they need to
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try this drug. And you come away from that, you
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know, 10 minute, 20 minute appointment, best thinking, hang
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on a minute. What, what just happened?
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I, I don't know what that means. I don't, I didn't ask these
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questions. And you're kicking yourself to
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an ask the expert session is, is half an hour or an hour of time
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where you can literally just pick my brains.
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It's confidential as it would be with a, a medical appointment
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where you can just say, look, this is what I've got.
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This is what's been potentially recommended.
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What's the information? Where do I find it?
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Or the converse is some people will come with a collection of
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symptoms and they say, oh, I think I've got this, but I don't
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really know. And together we can work on a
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plan of like, right, this is the first thing you need to do.
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You need to go and see AGP. You need to ask for this, ask
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for that. And a lot of that side of things
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is just about empowerment and making, making women realise a
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lot of the time that they're not making it up.
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You know, a lot, a lot of people will think, oh, maybe it's just
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me. My symptoms aren't bad enough.
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You know, you don't hear, you do hear men saying that, but not to
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the same degree as women. Whereas actually in that sort of
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session, it's about, it's about that.
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It's empowering that no, common isn't normal.
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Just because that narrative is there doesn't mean it's normal.
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You do deserve to seek further help and and this is how to do
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it. Yeah, and if something's
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bothering you, then allow yourself like give yourself
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permission to go and get that help and.
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Absolutely. Yeah, I always think that NHS is
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a bit of a nightmare to navigate.
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Hugely said. Yeah, I always think, I wonder
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how vulnerable people do they just, they just can't.
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Well, they, they don't, they don't do that.
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They don't or we see people in extremists.
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So they've waited because it's not bad enough, waited because
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it's not bad enough. And then, you know,
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unfortunately in my career, we do all sorts of on calls and,
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you know, a couple of times a year, unfortunately you get
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someone who present really late stage cervical cancer because
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they're scared of their smear and they've not been.
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And then they've had this bleeding and they've not really
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wanted to bother anyone. And it's just there are so many
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barriers to so many people, and it shouldn't be like that.
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No, and you're aiming to take all them down.
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All of those down not, not in all the mongo, but just to to
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it's, it's to put people back in the driving seat.
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It's to, I think women, there have been massive improvements
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in women's healthcare, but I think Women's Health for me as a
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woman and as a practitioner still feels like it's on the
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back foot in terms of the NHS provision.
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We know the NHS is underfunded and, and understaffed, but also
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when you look at the amount of funding that gets spent on
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Women's Health, you know, a good 50% if not more of the
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population in the UK are women. And I think it's less than 5%
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gets spent on women's, women's gets spent on funding for
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Women's Health. Oh, it's ridiculous, isn't it?
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The maths isn't mapping there. It just doesn't make sense.
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And I think, you know, this is where people now are taking the,
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they're taking the reins and they are taking their medical
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and health journeys back. They are getting back in the
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driving seat of it and and relying on the NHS for some bits
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because the NHS is fantastic in some areas of care but in other
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areas it is lacking now and people are not willing to put up
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with that anymore and they shouldn't.
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No, that's completely right. They really shouldn't I think.
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I think one thing that I said to you about my post Natal check at
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six weeks, obviously I'm, I'm post Natal trained and in
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exercise and it's a six week check.
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I was like, I kind of like I, I know my own body.
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And then the six week check I had a telephone call.
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I was like. What I mean, I literally
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remember you sending me a message telling me that and it
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was the first time that I'd heard that someone had had that,
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that that was a thing that people were having their post
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Natal check over the phone. I mean, someone's just no
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offence, but someone is just ticking a box there, aren't
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they? Because that, that doesn't help
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you feel supported. No one can look or or feel or
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assess any scars or any pelvic floor concerns or, you know,
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it's just not good enough. And yeah, you could have, you
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don't build that same rapport over the phone and you could
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have something severe there that you're just on the phone.
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You think, oh gosh, I don't want to, I don't want to burden that
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person with that. And then you could be having
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those issues for years and years.
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Yeah, I see a lot of women come to Pilates in their 50s and 60s,
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and it's always like, oh, I had a big baby.
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And it's always like, oh, that happened.
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And like, and it's like, well, no, that's that's the narrative
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that you're told. But it's like, no, this can be
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sorted. You can do something about it.
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Absolutely. And I think postnate it's always
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that, oh, postnate your check at 6 to 8 weeks.
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Once you go past 6 to 8 weeks, you don't magically not become
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post Natal anymore. Once you've had a baby, you are
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post Natal forever in my eyes, in that your body has changed
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now and it needs to be treated and cared for potentially
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differently to someone who hasn't had a baby.
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And it's, it's like the whole premise of, you know, you
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magically turn 35 weeks at midnight and then 35 weeks and
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one day at midnight. You know, that it's the same
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sort of thing post Natal. Everyone is different.
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Everyone takes a slightly different duration to recover.
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And the support that is out there, physically, emotionally,
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psychologically, it just isn't good enough.
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But women are now taking this back into the hands of of trying
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to find good support. Yes 100% if you were around
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after I'd had Luca, which wasn't even COVID times by the way for
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like the post Natal check on the phone, I would 100% wanted
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someone to just look over me like what's going on.
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Yeah, and I think that's the other thing is that I remember
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when I had my first daughter, so she's nearly 12 now post natally
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there was nothing so I ended up looking for.
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So I have my GP review, which left some things to be desired,
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but then I was looking for a pelvic floor physio and then I
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was looking for someone to do yoga or Pilates.
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And you were, you were trying to spend all this money in all
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these different places. But also it was a time factor.
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Trying to get anywhere with a small baby is really hard.
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And that's what I do in my post Datal service, is that you come
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to me, we'll talk about your birth, we'll talk about the
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potential psychological impacts of your birth, but we'll do an
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examination, obviously with consent.
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We'll examine your abdomen and look for things like diastasis
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rectal, we'll examine your pelvic floor.
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We'll check that your stitches have healed from your
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episiotomy. We'll look at your cesarean
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section scar. Because the other things as well
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is, well, I'm experienced in that a lot of GPS, no,
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eventually you can, GPS are fantastic, but you can become a
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fully fledged GP without ever having Dunopsin Gyne.
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So they may not have seen those things before and will have
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difficulty deciphering what's normal and what's not.
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Things like scar massage, we can talk about that as well.
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So the hope is whilst I won't do a full Pilatos class with you, I
21:44
can give you the give you the actual check UPS that you
21:48
deserve. Physical, emotional,
21:50
psychological. And then we either work together
21:53
more or I signpost you and put you in the right direction of
21:56
people who are trust, who I know can help you get back to feeling
22:00
like yourself. Oh.
22:01
I love that. That's fantastic.
22:03
I think you touched on there the psychological bit as well,
22:05
haven't you? That's.
22:06
Massive. It's huge.
22:09
And do you know what, for a lot of people, the psychological
22:11
aspect is bigger than the physical concerns.
22:16
And I think the other thing that that really upsets me, if you
22:20
like, is that on paper it, it might say that you had a
22:24
straightforward vaginal birth, but that doesn't, that doesn't
22:29
mean anything on paper. That doesn't tell me how that
22:32
person interpreted that birth, what their experience was like.
22:36
And I think we're very quick to sort of in the, in the NHS
22:39
particularly, people are very quick to say, oh, well, you've
22:41
had a straightforward vaginal birth.
22:42
You, you did great. You know, why are you worried?
22:45
Why, why have you got hang ups about it kind of thing?
22:48
And it's, it's not for us to say, I think birth is birth is
22:53
this transformational event. And it's like anything, isn't
22:58
it? You kind of, you can prepare
23:00
yourself for it and you can think about how you might act in
23:03
it. But until you're in that
23:04
situation, you never really know how you're going to feel, how
23:08
you're going to act. And that's for me where
23:12
education comes back because education is really powerful.
23:14
If you know what you're going into, you can arm yourself with
23:17
all that, all that knowledge that you need to kind of
23:20
navigate the complexities of of birth in the NHS.
23:24
But it's birth trauma is something that we are talking
23:28
about more now, which I'm incredibly happy about, but it's
23:33
something that I think still has a little bit of shame associated
23:35
with it for some people where they think, oh, well, I'm fine
23:39
and my baby's fine. So I, I shouldn't complain or I,
23:43
I shouldn't say that I feel like this.
23:45
It doesn't matter. It matters how you feel.
23:48
It matters what your experience is.
23:50
And I think we do women a disservice by not giving
23:55
everyone the chance to have a birth debrief afterwards where
23:57
they can kind of talk about it, ask questions, fill in the gaps
24:02
because you will get some gaps. You will you will get some
24:04
unanswered questions. And that's very normal.
24:06
But I. Think that's really evident when
24:08
you're pregnant and everybody tells you about their own birth
24:11
and everybody's like, oh, this happened and then this was like
24:15
traumatic. And then there's 12 people in
24:18
the room and like, and I just think they've almost like
24:20
getting their own, like, birth trauma on you.
24:25
Yeah, there was somewhere healthy for them to say it, like
24:28
your clinic that would help people so much.
24:33
It, it, it would and it does. And it's about holding space for
24:36
people. Because I think a lot of the
24:38
time when you're when it's your nearest and dearest, say, if
24:41
you're lucky enough to have the support of more, more sister or
24:43
whatever, you sometimes feel like you can't say those things
24:47
to that person because particularly older generation
24:49
are, well, you're all right and your baby's all right.
24:51
So what you're moaning about, but to have that independent
24:54
person where you do have space and it's literally just for you.
24:58
I mean, I love babies, don't get me wrong, but I don't really
25:00
care about the baby. I care about you.
25:02
As long as you feed your baby, you're baby fine.
25:04
But you know, I care about, I care about the mum.
25:06
I also care about the birth partner as well, whether that be
25:09
dad, mother, brother or sister, because it can be incredibly
25:11
traumatic for them as well. And and like you say, then
25:16
hopefully we can get rid of some of that.
25:18
Oh, you're pregnant. Oh, let me tell you my Horror
25:20
Story. If you, when you kind of apply
25:23
the same thing, if someone's broken their leg, people will
25:25
tell you, oh, I broke my leg and it was fine.
25:27
You know, you know what tells you that Horror Story?
25:31
Do they have? Oh, well, I had to have several
25:32
operations, then it got infected, blah, blah, blah.
25:35
But with birth, it seems to be a free for all.
25:38
And I think you're dead, right. I think you've hit the nail on
25:40
the head there. But people get it out because
25:42
they've never been given that space before.
25:44
Yeah, they've held nowhere else for that to go.
25:46
There's nowhere out there. Just don't.
25:47
Provide that service. Exactly.
25:50
So I think, gosh, I think it's so important.
25:56
I often think I used to buy, we've kind of grown out as
25:59
friends of having babies now, but I used to buy, you know,
26:01
outfits and something for the mum and this and that and the
26:03
other. But I think now I'd buy my
26:05
friends all a birthday brief session.
26:07
It's kind of like they're all gift them that because just
26:11
having that space for yourself with or without your baby there
26:14
is just priceless. What a fantastic baby shower
26:18
gift. Yeah, wouldn't it?
26:20
That'd be awesome. Oh, I love that.
26:24
Because you end up millions of outfits and things, don't you?
26:27
And bits and bobs for the baby. But yeah, what about the mum?
26:30
So you work online and you also work at where?
26:34
Where else do you? Work.
26:35
Yeah. So at the moment I work at
26:36
Shropshire Health which is over in Leeton.
26:39
So that is run by Doctor Serena Jones who's an NHSGP.
26:45
So it's a private medical clinic basically registered with the
26:49
CQC and she offers all sorts of services.
26:51
But I work there so I can see you in person there.
26:55
I also do online appointments so if you want to have the ask the
26:59
consultant session we can do that online but also I can do a
27:01
hybrid with post Natal appointments for example.
27:04
So some people will say right, my standard post Natal
27:07
appointment is 45 minutes to an hour.
27:09
Some people will say I can't be there that long because of
27:11
travel or whatever. We can do half an hour of the
27:13
appointment online and then you can come at a convenient time
27:17
for the sort of 1520 minutes extra and have the examination
27:20
in clinic. So I make it, I try and make it
27:22
really flexible and obviously babies are welcome and so is
27:26
someone else to help look after the baby or be with you there to
27:29
support you. There's no kind of limits on
27:30
numbers and things just so that we can kind of make this care as
27:34
accessible as possible. If you need to stop in between
27:36
to feed your baby, that's absolutely fine.
27:38
If you need to have multiple trips to the toilet, that's OK
27:42
too. It's just about making people
27:44
feel comfortable but them still getting the care that they need.
27:47
Oh. I love that.
27:49
I absolutely love that. What would you say right, Going
27:53
on to Women's Health things that I feel like I'm looking at you a
27:56
bit ranty here. Oh, don't start me.
28:01
What would be the one thing that you wished every woman knew in
28:05
relation to their health? I really like this question.
28:11
So it's it's kind of twofold. I think the first thing that I
28:15
want women to know is that symptoms are not necessarily
28:18
personality traits. So we say things such as, oh, I
28:23
just have really bad periods or oh, I'm being dramatic about my
28:27
pelvic pain or, you know, I'm just unlucky that I have heavy
28:30
periods that doesn't don't pass those things off as just part of
28:36
you that you have to accept them.
28:38
You health is in your, your health is in your power to
28:43
change in it, to get sought. So rather than just saying, Oh
28:46
yeah, well, everyone in my family had heavy periods, so I
28:49
do too, That doesn't mean there isn't something we can do about
28:52
it. There's things that we can do to
28:53
treat it, to make your life that little bit better, to improve
28:56
your quality of life rather than you just having to sit and
28:59
suffer in silence. I love that it's not a
29:02
personality trait. We do, don't we?
29:04
As women, You know, you, I just have bad periods or I just have,
29:08
you know, oh, I'm, I'm terrible at smears.
29:11
Or, you know, I've heard people say that I'm like, what?
29:12
What do you mean? You can't be bad at a smear?
29:15
It's about us recognizing what's difficult for you, how can we
29:19
modify that and how can we make your experience that bit more
29:22
comfortable so that actually you confuse me a screening because
29:24
that's really important for your long term health.
29:28
That I love that. That's so interesting.
29:30
I would never have gone down that Ave.
29:31
That's not where I. Oh, what would you have said?
29:36
Oh, I don't know. But I think like prioritise
29:39
themselves a bit. But actually it's like the lay
29:41
underneath that you've got and you've gone.
29:43
Like no, this isn't. No.
29:46
Well, I think. Done.
29:47
Yeah, because, you know, it's easy for me to sit here and say,
29:50
oh, just prioritise yourself. I don't know about you, but I'm
29:53
really good at looking after other people.
29:55
I'm still learning to look after myself.
29:57
And, and a blanket thing of it's like a goal, isn't it?
29:59
Make it smart and specific. A blanket thing of prioritise
30:02
yourself. Well, that looks incredibly
30:04
different for lots of different people.
30:06
And there's a huge amount of barriers to that as well.
30:08
But if you say something like that, it's it's not a
30:10
personality trait. Actually get it investigated
30:13
that, you know, someone might listen to this and think, oh,
30:16
I'm 35, I've had heavy periods for ages and they kind of make
30:19
me really miserable. Maybe I should go and do
30:21
something about it. And if if one person listens to
30:24
this and goes to seek advice or see their GP or especially
30:27
because of that, then we're doing a good thing.
30:30
Absolutely, literally, I did my menopause workshop a few days
30:33
ago and one lady was like, oh, I've always had heavy periods
30:38
and it was just just said it like really not blase, but like
30:42
just like the that was what what happened, yeah.
30:46
Just accepting of it like, well, no one can help me.
30:48
There's nothing you know always. Always, always been it.
30:52
So that's interesting. I love that answer.
30:55
Oh, I love that one. Next question you're going to go
31:00
round to you on this. Can you debunk some myths that
31:04
you see on social media that do your head in?
31:08
How many am I limited to? The ones that really annoy you
31:12
because I'm, I did a sports science degree, so I'm evidence
31:15
based. You're evidence based.
31:17
And we just like, look at each other sometimes and like, Oh my
31:20
God, where has who has made-up this selling thing?
31:26
Oh, so I think the the caveat to all of these and, and the thing
31:29
I would say is don't let, don't let social media influences
31:34
hijack your critical thinking. Don't.
31:38
If an influencer isn't a doctor or doesn't have any kind of
31:41
sports science degree or evidence based background, you
31:44
cannot trust them wholeheartedly for your evidence.
31:47
Then you need to just they are getting paid.
31:50
There is a very very big conflict of interest there.
31:55
But going down to the myth, you'll have to tell me.
31:58
OK, I think my first one has to be that you can balance your
32:01
hormones. Hormones are not unruly toddlers
32:08
running around a park, OK? Hormones are meant to be on
32:11
balance from time to time. We have something called the
32:13
endocrine system, which exists in our body to control all the
32:17
hormones and, and things that happen in our body.
32:20
And it has a very, very exact and incredible system of, of how
32:27
we control our bodies. And it does that really, really
32:30
well on its own. If it didn't, we'd be dead.
32:33
So you cannot, you cannot take anything that will balance your
32:37
hormones, and you do not need to do anything to balance your
32:39
hormones, such as following a particular diet or taking a
32:43
particular supplement. Your body balances its hormones
32:47
as and when it needs to of its own accord.
32:49
Now, there is some sort of overlap with that of, well, when
32:52
you hit perimenopause, you need to balance your hormones.
32:54
Well, yeah, you do get a significant drop in estrogen.
32:57
So you do need to have some estrogen sometimes if that's
33:00
what you want, you know, if that's the oven you need to go
33:02
down. But you cannot balance your
33:03
hormones, full stop. So that's my first one.
33:09
There we go. What's the next one?
33:12
My second one. My second one is collagen.
33:16
Oh, excellent. So OK, where do I start?
33:21
Collagen supplements are everywhere.
33:24
Everywhere I look everyone is talking about them.
33:27
Everyone is on one or has been on one.
33:30
So collagen is a protein that's in our body and it's in loads of
33:34
different places in our body. So particularly where we notice
33:37
it is, is skin, bones, joints, etcetera.
33:41
It's a protein and protein is a thing that is build up of little
33:46
building blocks called amino acids.
33:49
So when you take collagen supplements, which can be quite
33:51
expensive, when you take that and you ingest it, our body
33:55
breaks it down into amino acids. Our body then decides which
33:59
protein it builds those amino acids into, kind of makes its
34:02
own little recipes. It cannot go right.
34:05
Well, skin, you need more collagen.
34:06
So I'm going to point you that way.
34:07
Oh, right hip, you need some more collagen on your articular
34:12
stiffs. I'm going to send you that.
34:13
It cannot do that. Now, there are lots of collagen
34:15
supplements out there. I've read a lot of the data and
34:18
I'm not aware of any of them that can pinpoint where you need
34:20
to. Now, you get a lot of people
34:22
that say, but I take collagen supplements and my skin got
34:25
better or my joint health got better.
34:27
And that may be true, but that is probably because those people
34:30
were lacking protein in their diet anyway.
34:33
So actually, they're just taking a really, really good, expensive
34:37
form of protein and they're improving their protein intake
34:41
overall, and that's why they're getting some benefits.
34:43
But you cannot, unfortunately, our collagen will start to
34:45
decline from about the age of 25 the more birthdays we have.
34:49
But you cannot. You cannot replace the collagen
34:52
in your skin or your joints by ingesting collagen.
34:56
Full stop. Excellent.
34:58
I love it. Collagen does my head in as
35:00
well. It's so expensive of what it is.
35:02
It's really cheap to make and then it's so expensive it
35:05
doesn't do anything. There's literally.
35:09
There isn't and, and any, you've got to be careful because any
35:12
evidence that is there, you've got to think about right.
35:14
Well, who funded this evidence and any evidence that is out
35:17
there when these companies claim, oh, you know, 89% of our
35:20
participants notice an improvement at six weeks.
35:23
Dig deeper. Who is that study funded by?
35:26
Oh, actually it's funded by the company that are selling it.
35:31
So like. You're poor quality.
35:33
Yeah. And you've just got to take
35:36
that, you've got to take that into consideration and and also
35:41
I know it's appealing kind of improved aesthetic results and
35:44
improved joint health, but there are other better things that you
35:47
can do where you can spend your money more effectively.
35:50
So looking at collagen for joint health will actually do some
35:56
strength and weight training because that will have a much
35:59
longer long term benefit than taking any expensive collagen or
36:03
Plymouth would. I'm awful women spending money
36:05
on themselves, but spend it in the places where we've got good
36:09
solid evidence that it shows some improvement.
36:11
Yes, spend it on the right thing.
36:13
Spend it on the right thing. Yes, exactly.
36:15
One more DD myth D debunk another myth for me.
36:20
I think the other myth, and I think I think this is getting
36:24
there anyway, is that common equals normal.
36:28
They're not the same thing. So it's very common to leak
36:32
urine after you have a baby, but it's not normal that can be
36:35
improved. It's very common to have every
36:38
periods, but again, that can be improved.
36:40
It's, you know, it doesn't mean that it's normal and you have to
36:43
put up with it. That's not just the way your
36:44
body is. I think we're so accepting as,
36:48
as women in a society that, well, that is just the way I am
36:50
and all, but I have all these people to look after before me
36:53
and, and work and this and that. We're not very good at putting
36:56
ourselves 1st. And that goes for me too.
36:58
I, I'm really good at looking after other people, but not
37:00
myself. And I think there's that
37:02
societal pressure that we're meant to be the caregivers for
37:04
everyone and that actually it's a little bit selfish to put
37:08
yourself first because painful periods, it's that you know, and
37:14
it's not, it's done. It's not a blanket statement
37:16
because it's not. It could be true, but you know,
37:19
heavy periods aren't going to kill you, but they will make
37:22
your life bloody miserable and you'll make your quality of life
37:27
just just take the shine off everything.
37:29
And actually, if you prioritised yourself and made that
37:32
appointment with the GP or made that appointment with the
37:34
specialist, you might actually find that you improve your
37:37
quality of life significantly with a really small intervention
37:41
and actually find a lot of joy again and be able to cope better
37:43
with things. The list goes on.
37:45
Oh. I love that.
37:47
Yeah, it's that's the thing, isn't it?
37:49
Just because it's common doesn't mean that it's normal.
37:51
Yeah, and I think it's that whole thing.
37:53
If a friend came to you for advice about the same problem
37:55
that you're experiencing and what would you say?
37:57
You wouldn't say, oh, just put up with it.
37:59
You'd advocate for her. You'd say go and see the GP, go
38:03
and do this, go and do that. Have you tried this?
38:04
Have you tried that? But we're really, we're not so
38:07
good at doing that for ourself, are we?
38:08
No, I'm not at least a pain. Yeah, even at Christmas, like
38:12
Steph sent me to the doctors in between Christmas and New Year.
38:15
It's like you're you've had that cough for ages to go and get it
38:18
sorted. And I was like, oh, he said it.
38:20
It must be like, yeah, a chest infection.
38:26
It gives you that reality check, doesn't it, when someone else
38:28
says it? But again, you're kind of
38:30
waiting for the, oh, it's bad enough now, so I'll go.
38:34
You don't have to wait for that. Bad enough.
38:36
And, and I know a lot of people will say, oh, but doctors are,
38:39
you know, overstretched, overweight, blah, blah, blah.
38:41
You're never wasting our time. I worry more about the people
38:44
that don't come and see me because they are, you know, what
38:47
are they hiding? What are they harbouring you?
38:49
Never. No one will ever waste my time.
38:51
No one has ever wasted my time. I've never had a patient where I
38:54
thought, my gosh, why have you brought this in?
38:56
Why? Why are you even worrying about
38:57
this? Because if you're worried about
39:00
it, I'm worried about it, full stop.
39:03
That leads me to my next question, actually, What do you
39:06
wish everybody knew about doctors?
39:10
Oh. Two things, I suppose. 1 is that
39:14
we're also human. I think a lot of in my career
39:18
and in my training, everyone says, oh, you're a superhuman,
39:21
you're a superwoman, how do you do it?
39:22
I'm not a superwoman. I'm a very normal 4840 year old
39:26
woman. I run out of milk and I shout my
39:28
kids in the morning to put their shoes on.
39:31
But I think it's that, it's that we struggle too.
39:35
So we struggle as humans, but we also struggle within the system
39:39
that we're working in. So the, the, the NHS at the
39:41
moment, no doctor ever wakes up in the morning to do a bad job.
39:45
We want to help you as much as we can.
39:47
We want to give you the time, we want to give you the, the access
39:50
to care that we need to. But at the moment lots of
39:54
doctors in the NHS are struggling with that because of
39:57
time pressures, money pressures. And it as that it, it may seem
40:01
sometimes that doctors in the NHS are not helping you as much
40:05
as they think you can, not helping you as much as you think
40:08
they might be able to. But that's because of other
40:11
allied pressures. We go home and we worry about
40:13
patients. We go home and we think about
40:14
you. We call you out of hours because
40:17
we're concerned and we're worried.
40:18
We're always thinking about our patients and it's never being a
40:22
doctor is never just a job. It's a vocation.
40:24
We don't, we don't switch off when we switch our computers
40:27
off. We're always thinking and we're
40:29
always putting your best interests at heart.
40:34
Love that, Love that you are human, aren't you?
40:37
Yeah. You're literally a human.
40:39
You're not a robot. No, I'm not a robot, promise.
40:45
Where do you think like Women's Health is going over like the
40:49
next few years? Like, what's the next big thing?
40:51
What's what's on the horizon? This is a really interesting
40:55
question. I feel like we have done so much
41:00
in empowering women to to this point, but I still think we need
41:03
to go away further with that. So I think for me, I think for
41:09
me, the big thing that's come in is AI.
41:11
So with the rise of artificial intelligence, I think there's
41:14
some really good things out there sort of cycle tracking,
41:17
symptom tracking, etcetera. And I think they can collect a
41:22
lot of data, but it's my question is about how they
41:26
interpret, interpret that data. So I think we've got to be
41:30
really careful in dehumanising things.
41:33
IEI, in my personal opinion, I don't think you can replace as a
41:38
doctor. We're diagnosticians, we've put
41:40
all your symptoms together and pieces of the puzzle and work
41:42
out what's going on. And I don't think you can
41:44
replace that totally with AI. So I think AI is going to be
41:47
really useful in empowering us to collect the answers to the
41:49
questions that we need to work out stuff.
41:51
But I don't think it's going to replace doctors.
41:55
It certainly doesn't replace human connection.
41:57
And I think that's where a lot of consultant, a lot of
42:01
consultations I've done in the past, I've not said anything
42:04
groundbreaking. I've not delivered a horrendous
42:06
diagnosis or whatever, not said anything life changing, but that
42:10
holding space for people and them feeling heard and then
42:13
feeling informed and empowered is where the magic happens.
42:17
And I think that's what AI cannot, AI can't do that.
42:22
So I think whilst AI is useful, I think we've got to be careful
42:25
how we use it. And then I think the other thing
42:28
that's coming in Women's Health is, and again, this isn't
42:31
groundbreaking, is there's this big shift in going back to
42:33
basics. So focusing on movement,
42:37
focusing on good nutrition because that's what we used to
42:41
do. And then we've got all these
42:43
things in the middle where it's all very noisy and we're all
42:45
taking millions of supplements and we're doing all these crazy
42:47
things and working these, you know, not nine to five jobs
42:50
anymore. And I think actually what's
42:52
going to happen is we are going to go right back to basics.
42:55
We're going to prioritise food, we're going to prioritise
42:57
movement, we're going to prioritise our mental health.
43:00
And hopefully society will follow in the, at the moment we
43:05
have this, this awful thing where particularly as a mother,
43:09
you're meant to parent like you don't have a job and you're
43:12
meant to work like you don't have kids.
43:14
And that's, we all know that's completely unsustainable.
43:17
And I think we're, we're going to go back to, to that.
43:20
I think we're going to go back to basics.
43:23
I think we need to go back to basics because otherwise we're
43:25
going to implode. Is is because the basics work,
43:29
that's why. The basics are they, they've
43:31
worked for thousands of years and it's that if it ain't broke,
43:34
don't fix it kind of thing, you know, walking outside, getting
43:37
fresh air, being amongst nature. And the best bit about that is
43:40
it's free. Yes, exactly.
43:43
Yeah, totally get that. Oh, I love it.
43:46
What are your ambitions for Dahlia?
43:48
Is it Dahlia? I can't.
43:49
Dahlia. Yeah, Dahlia.
43:52
Dahlia like the flower so. That Delilah is not a flower, is
43:57
it? No.
43:58
No, that's a girl's name something.
44:00
Yes, it is. So Dahlia came about.
44:04
I'll tell you the story quickly because then maybe you'll
44:06
remember it. So I took a period of time out
44:10
of work when I was really burnt out and my mental health had
44:14
dipped and I needed to do something.
44:17
And a therapist said to me, what's your hobby?
44:18
And I said, I don't have a hobby.
44:20
I've never had time for a hobby. Does raising children count?
44:23
And we'd not long moved house, but a massive beautiful garden.
44:26
She said, start growing things. And I grew tomatoes and I grew
44:29
dahlias. And one day a friend came round
44:32
and she said, do you realise that dahlias are a symbol of
44:36
female empowerment and, you know, being born again kind of
44:41
thing. And it was at that moment that I
44:44
thought, oh, I can do women's half my own way and daily
44:48
medical spa tada half. Daily medical, right?
44:52
That's so there you go. Dahlia think of me with my
44:54
dahlias daily. Daily.
44:56
So what are my ambitions apart from?
44:58
Just want you to. Go what's your so apart from
45:01
taking over the world, obviously.
45:02
No, I just I for me, I want Dahlia medical.
45:06
So daily medical at the moment I I kind of operate mainly in in
45:09
Shropshire, but it will go. We're going to work Cheshire and
45:14
Staffordshire way and I want Daily Medical to be the go to
45:17
place for women and you know other people who have female
45:23
reproductive anatomy to come for.
45:27
It's their one stop shop for. I need evidence based, good
45:30
quality, high level healthcare from a nice person that can
45:34
explain things in a simple manner that they come to us,
45:39
that they know, they are confident in us, that we will
45:42
make them feel like themselves again.
45:45
The other thing with Daily Medical is I want to collaborate
45:47
as much as possible with as many people out there as possible
45:50
because yeah, OK, as a consultant obstetrician and
45:53
gynaecologists, I do have a lot of knowledge, but I don't know
45:55
everything. No one knows everything.
45:57
And I love collaborating with like minded people who are
46:01
passionate about Women's Health, whatever arm that is.
46:04
Because I think together, pulling knowledge together and
46:07
sharing resources and sharing. There's no kind of competition.
46:11
There's no, oh, I know more than you.
46:13
What's the point? We're all here to help women
46:15
feel their best and for them to get back to feeling how they did
46:19
before. And if we can collaborate and
46:23
bring pools of knowledge together like that again, that's
46:26
kind of where the magic happens. I want people to feel.
46:30
Yeah. I just want women to feel like
46:32
themselves again. And if we can help facilitate
46:35
that, that would just bring me so much joy.
46:38
Oh, I can tell. I can tell if that's what you
46:40
want, isn't it? You're like, yes, this is this.
46:43
Is it because you're not a businesswoman?
46:46
Well, you weren't, were you? But you are now.
46:49
Yes, I am now apparently. Yeah, I have.
46:52
Yeah. I've, I've always been in in
46:54
healthcare. My business experiences that I
46:57
worked in Tesco on a Sunday and I worked in a pharmacy on a
47:00
Saturday. That's the extent of my business
47:02
knowledge. But no, I'm I am, I am a
47:06
businesswoman, I suppose, because I'm running my own
47:08
healthcare company with lots of help.
47:11
But primarily I am a woman that likes to support other women.
47:14
I will straighten your crown rather than snatch it off your
47:17
head. And that's how it should be,
47:19
whether that's about your your career, your parenting issues,
47:23
or particularly about your health concerns.
47:26
I am that woman. I love that.
47:28
So if someone's been listening to this and they're like, right,
47:30
I need a bit of Dr. Lower bangs in my life, where can they find
47:35
you? So they can find doctor Bangs,
47:37
the gynaecologist. Mainly it depends what you would
47:41
like, which method you would like to contact me.
47:43
So we have an Instagram page which is at Dahlia Medical.
47:47
You can send me Adm on there. We also have a WhatsApp number
47:50
that you can send me a message on any time and the information
47:53
is on our Instagram page. We've got a Facebook page and
47:59
then we've also got an e-mail address and we've got a client
48:02
form on our website. So you can choose your chosen
48:06
method. Send me any questions about even
48:09
if you think, oh, I think I might need this appointment or I
48:12
don't know what appointment I need, but I feel like you can
48:13
help me. Drop me a message, we'll have a
48:16
chat and we'll work out what the best thing for you is.
48:19
Lovely. Thank you very much.
48:20
I'll pop all them in the show notes.
48:22
But thank you so much, Laura. You've been fantastic.
48:26
You've gone down like bits that I didn't think of.
48:29
Really thought that would be. Oh, thank you.
48:31
This has been such an amazing chat.
48:33
Honestly, I could chat all day about this stuff.
48:35
It's awesome, yeah. It's really good, isn't it?
48:36
So I was like earlier, I've got no worries about you can on my
48:40
podcast. It's just like, I know that you
48:43
do the facts. You are like you, yeah, operate
48:47
on the same sort of system to me.
48:49
So. That's fantastic.
48:50
But yeah, you're going to be fantastic businesswoman.
48:53
You're a fantastic doctor. So thank you very much if you
48:57
have listened to this. And you're like, right, I need
48:59
doctor bangs. Go and check her out in the show
49:02
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49:04
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