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Episode 60. Justice or Mercy & Nathan Drake vs. The Riddler (Feat. Tre) · High n' Dry Podcast

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, son of a bitch, man.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_03: That uh that dead guy whiskey is still coursing through me.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_02: Dead guy.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's bad.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was it it was from the the guys who do the dead guy IPA.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_03: They made a whiskey also.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_03: And you drink it, and like I guess the gimmick of it is that it tastes like the IPA, not why you buy whiskey.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: Why would you do that?
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, not why I bought a whiskey.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: I bought him like worst case.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_03: I'll put it in a whiskey sour or something like that.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's gonna taint my whiskey sour.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_02: First of all, it's IPA.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_02: It's a whiskey IPA, which I don't know why someone thought that was a good idea in the first place.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, yeah, because so I read after the fact that you know, distilled in small batches from the same malts as award-winning dead guy ale.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_03: And so my fucking whiskey tastes like ale.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_03: That's not I would have just blocked the ale.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know what been funny?
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_02: If the award they won was for shit tasting IPA.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: Worst in show.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_02: Award winning, baby.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: Award winning.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_02: We won an award.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_04: That reminds me of this like real piece of shit, uh, like right-wing commentator named Ben Shapiro, who had he he wrote a book, and one of the reviews that he put like on the cover was uh uh welcome our our generations and Ayn Rand.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_04: And like uh and like he put that like right on his cover and like it's something to be proud of.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_04: Well, well, the article that it came from was a salon article, and it was like it said the you know salon.com.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_04: And then if you just Google the article, it says Ben Shapiro's like ham-fisted uh patriotic jerk fest.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_06: It's like the it's like the rest of the the rest of the quote, which is very funny.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's cool.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_04: It's like that award winning.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: So you and can't quote you on that.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know what you've quote you on that.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_03: Dead guy, you you made us think of Ben Shapiro winning quote.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_03: Well, see, then Rogue Spirits is gonna come at me like, look, we were fine letting you say what you wanted to say until you compared us to Ben Shapiro.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: You know what?
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: That was out of line, I apologize.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_03: You could say it tastes like dead guy.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_03: That's fine because you know it's made out of dead guy.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_03: But don't you dare.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_03: I be damned.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: You compare me to be a supero.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_03: So uh wait for that email.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_03: All right, everyone out there listening.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to High Enjoy Podcast, the only podcast where we do all of our own stunts.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_03: I'm your host, Ryan Barron North, with me as always, James Crosslin.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_03: James, what's happening, man?
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh things are going pretty well.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_04: Got a promotion uh recently.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_04: Feeling great and tired.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_04: Uh move going to San Diego this week should be a blast.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_04: All right.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: Very nice, very nice.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: That uh I'm happy for you.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: That'll be cool.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_03: Now uh so joining us uh this week for the 60th episode.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, the the one one of the three that originally uh you know got on board for this fucking thing we've been doing for 60 episodes now.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, original philosopher Trey.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_03: Trey, what's going on, man?
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_03: How you doing?
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_04: That was a good audience cheer because I was like, what the fuck is that?
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_04: My microphone.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_04: Sounds like an audience.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: I brought people.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_04: Not until the third round, dude.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, it's fine.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, good.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_02: Here.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um uh I'll say, I don't know what else to say.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome back.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_03: We're glad to have you.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_03: It'll be fun.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so for those of you who joining us for the first time, or those of you who need a refresher because you're too drunk or so fucking high um that you're listening to this, this is how we do it.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_03: Every episode we started off with a philosophical debate, a moral conundrum, a quandary, just a question, one of those ones that you asked back in the day when you had time to think about shit.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_03: And then it devolves into a fist fight, as those things often do.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: But before we do that, what makes us so special and what sets us apart is that we gotta get a little drunk and we gotta get a little high.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_03: So, James, what are you smoking this week?
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, this week I'm smoking a hybrid between GMO and OG called GMOG.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_04: And oh yeah.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_04: And uh and it it smells like uh so so here's how I'd describe it is it smells like someone took like um potpourri and like clogged a skunk's uh anal glam with it.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_04: And like it's got that really skunky smell, but it's also got like a really floral what yeah, so yeah, he had held it to my nose for a second there, and um even from here I can smell it.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's that's a pretty apt um description, I would say, for sure.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_03: That's it's pretty close.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's almost like uh God, I forget what we would have used to say.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's like uh a gentle summer breeze going over a babbling brook with a hint of skunky ass.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_02: Put that in the commercial yeah.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, we did uh for what I'm drinking today, I'll just jump into it.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I'm drinking Dead Guy Whiskey by Rogue Spirits, and uh our commercial for them is Dead Guy Whiskey.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_03: Son of a bitch! That was forty dollars.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um we also have a waft of scotch mil across that neck.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, as you guys listen, you could jump onto the Instagram, watch our review of it.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you could kind of see where we went with it, but it's it's ocean aged, whatever the fuck that means.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_04: It's not ocean aging is not good, apparently.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, salt water got in there.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um well uh Troy, what are you joining us with?
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I have not as exquisite as your whiskey IPA.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: Not exquisite, please.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Please, please.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's award winning.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, I just got my buddy Jose Jose Cuevo.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: All right, all right.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: Family generation company 10, whatever.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_02: I read it wrong.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: Family company for 10 generations.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Jose Cuervo, it's the the number one bottle to find washed up on a public beach.
• 7:18
  unknown: Cool.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: Sturdy bottles.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's ocean aged.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_03: That's why it's ocean aged.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: Washes up with like cigarette ash.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: Cool.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: All right, well, let's get into it.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: So uh pour them up.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_03: Pour them up.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_03: I'll let me pour my weed into the the the thing I will give this dead man though is that the the topper of it is it's cool.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_03: It's a little resin metal guy.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: It is very cool.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: So they give you a collector's piece in the 40 books that you buy.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_04: He essentially got a cool bottle stopper for$40.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: Hold on, don't not oh well, he's already oh no, he stood it back in the glass.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_04: There you go.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_03: Mouth age.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers! This first one goes to the to Trey being back for the 60th episode, and of course, Cher Carl Urban.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers, Trey.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: If I redo, this is my first one.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's what this dead guy whiskey tastes like.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_03: There was a guy drinking a fuckload of dead guy IPA.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_03: He took a swallow of the whiskey, swished it, and then backwashed into this bottle with a nice stopper.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, what probably happened was he got drunk on the IPA, fell overboard, and he was down there for so long that he aged in the ocean.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_03: And they squeezed him like a lemon squeeze out of the whiskey.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, this will make a great fucking beverage.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's why it's award-winning.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_02: It's before it's time.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: It's the first of its time.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, first of its kind.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_03: We're doing something totally unique.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_03: And uh unique isn't always great.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_03: Seeing again, now dead whiskey's like, all right, well, you chill the fuck out.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_03: We get it.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I uh I saw I remember those demotivational posters from when we were like coming up and the internet was still new.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_04: Do you remember when demotivational posters were like memes like everywhere?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_04: I saw one that was uh you know uh uniqueness and it had like a bunch of forks laid out, and then one of the forks had all its tongs like bit and like all different crazy ways is like not always a good thing.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I've always I've all I've I really internalized that where I was like, yeah, being unique isn't like a personality trait.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_04: You also need good personality traits to go with that.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, mm-hmm for sure.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, everyone's so desperate to define themselves and to you know set themselves in apartment and it's just it ain't gonna happen.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_04: There's there's eight billion of us.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_04: Don't do it just to do it.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_04: You gotta there's gotta people who are unique are unique for other reasons, not just because they're unique, you know.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that brings us into our second shot, and this one goes out to our newest listeners.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_03: These ones are coming at us from I ain't gonna pronounce this properly, but uh maybe I mean it's in Ohio, we were in that region, but uh Washing, Ohio, W-A-U-S-E-O-N.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_03: Washin?
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_03: Wasn't Ohio?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_03: Washeen.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_03: Washeen?
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: Well, here's to Ohio.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_03: First time they've ever heard this.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_04: Cheers.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks, Ohio.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_04: Cheers.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_04: If you need help escaping Ohio, please feel free to contact us.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what we're gonna do, but uh Cleveland's been having stuff.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's like it's this perpetual shitty small town that just overgrew itself.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: Oh that that makes sense.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds great.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: We're just trashing everybody this week.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, we feel so much better than everyone.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_04: It's great.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_04: We're on top of the world.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_04: I'm looking down at Ollie.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: Rogue dead guy whiskey.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_03: That's the attribute of the dead guy who has that's that's what hell is.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's drinking rogue dead guy whiskey in fucking Ohio.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_04: Dude's like, I listened.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_04: I like where I'm from.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, you're wrong.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Washeen is great.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like it's Watson.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's amazing.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: I love Washington, it's amazing.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that brings us into our third toast, third hit.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, Trey, guest toast.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_03: What's it too?
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's funny.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_03: Every time I come on here, I'll be like, dang.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: Don't worry.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody's the same one.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_04: That's what we've got to do.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_04: We've had people on here as many times and never have anything ready.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_04: Never have anything ready.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_02: So uh my toast then this week will be to my prepared toast that I've been thinking about for the past week.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: To the toast that would have been to the toast that I forgot a week ago.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: Cheers, cheers.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_02: God damn it.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_02: That also goes out to the dead guy they found in the ocean and turns squeezed into a barrel.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Jesus.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, after our tasting, we had to bust out mozzarella sticks just to get everything back in order.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: I've never heard anyone ever say that after drinking the whiskey.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_02: I need to bust out my mozzarella sticks.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's the only way to soak this up.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like I felt like I was dying after we tried that.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, I felt terrible.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_04: My stomach was all upset.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_04: I do not recommend this whiskey.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_04: Enjoy, Ryan.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: In case our viewers at home are confused in any way, high and tried stance on Rogues Bear's Dead Guy Whiskey.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: Oh man, Rogues Bear.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_04: I like burped like three seconds after I drank it.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_04: Rogues bear cry at home.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I've been with you since the beginning.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_03: So I live in Ohio.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_03: I made that guy whiskey.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: God damn.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: Well, with that being said, it's time to jump into the show.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_03: So, got a question for you guys.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we'll see how it goes.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: It all came up because I I started watching this new show on Netflix.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: Excuse me.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_03: And it's uh Nightmare Roommate or Worst Roommate Ever, some shit like that.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_03: And it's a documentary that details um situations where your roommate was just a royal world-class piece of shit.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: Usually there like there was one about a an elderly woman who was uh taking in um, you know, sometimes mentally ill or you know, just the homeless wayward.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_03: Wayward, and killing them, burying them beneath the backyard, and then cashing their social security checks.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_03: So nightmare roommate.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I would say for many people.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_03: Well, one of the uh episodes I was watching, um, the guy, he's still essentially at large.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um, he was tried and convicted for two counts of attempted murder.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_03: And in Chile, the laws are a little different as far as attempted murder concern.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_03: He wound up doing less than two years in prison, and to the victim of that, it felt a little like what the fuck?
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, he's out and about again, ripping people off and attempted murdering.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so my question for you guys is what's more important as far as you know society goes as far as we go justice or mercy?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um there's a lot of crazy situations like that where you have, you know, I mean, the entire point, at least originally, of the justice system was to help the victims.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: Sure.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um now it's you know it's about making money.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: But um so yeah, there's there's the question.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, what's more important, what should be more important for society, mercy or justice?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_03: Guests first, Chai, what do you think?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I will say I didn't know where you were gonna go with that.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: I thought like after you said you described the show, yeah.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_04: What was your what's gonna what's your worst roommate?
• 16:02
  unknown: Right.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_03: What's your nightmare room?
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_03: It was gonna be how should we execute that old lady after that?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: How what do you think is worse as a roommate?
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: They leave their clothes everywhere or they don't want to think they're so random.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Or they attempt to murder you.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: Cash your social security.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_02: As a society, do I think it's more important for justice or mercy?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_02: Who that is a boot, it's a conundrum because if you have too much of one of those, it kind of will put society in a flux, regardless of it's not about like being nice or being mean or being whatever, it's about if you're too lenient or too strict, and but I will say in my head that I think justice is more and it's sad.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to say that because mercy kind of falls on if someone was done wrong, and justice system should be, I guess, about uh justice.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_02: If they make it street justice, I'm all for that.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like justice take them out in the middle of the road.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_03: We need a unit of motorcycle driving cops that play judge, jury, and executioner.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_03: Right everything.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_02: But I I think when you compare the two of mercy and justice.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: Mercy, mercy is to me is like if someone does something and then they fall to the ways of the court, and then the court's like, ah, well, you did this, but you can redeem yourself, so then let's do this.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas that works, I guess, for smaller offenses, but then if the larger offenses get that, then it's kind of like well, you need to be strict.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I think you just need to be a better, a better system of justice, and then that works better than mercy.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that that may be, you know, it doesn't need to completely revert, but we definitely need to adjust, make adjustments, fix some things.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: True.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, James, what do you think?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_04: Uh let me see.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_04: So, as is my tradition, I'm gonna argue against the very premise of the question.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um I don't think that mercy and justice are opposed.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_04: I think that mercy is sometimes part of justice.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I think that justice is I I would define justice as like uh a an agreeable solution to right a wrong.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_04: And sometimes that solution is is is being merciful, you know, when someone has like understand an understandable situation against them where they had to do something that's normally societ societally frowned upon.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_04: I think that the opposite of like mercy would be like vengeance, um, not justice.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_04: Um and if the question is, you know, vengeance versus mercy, I would say mercy.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_04: So that's my that's just my take on it.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um for me, I'm I mean, I'm adamantly opposed to like the death sentence for many reasons.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, I don't think if just government should be able to kill any of us, um, you know, things like that.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um you know, the whole comfort we take in saying that, well, it's a doctor who administers the death.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like, no, it's not.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's not.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's a guy.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: Doctors aren't allowed to do that.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_04: The victim is forced to kill.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, I'm I'm always gonna say, you know, mercy, that our justice system should be about looking at these individuals and figuring out what help they need to be a part of society.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I I think that's that should be you know the most important thing.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: That it should be a mechanism to, you know, to actually help these people.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes that that thought could be stretched to its limit, you know, like yesterday after watching the old woman you know murder people, I jumped over to a Green River Killer documentary.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: Stop watching murder things like all the time.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: After I watched someone murder someone, I jumped to another one.
• 20:48
  unknown: Yeah.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that was the evening I was in.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, normally I'll watch more other things.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_04: Diversify your fucking media, dude.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_04: I too.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_04: You gotta we gotta get together one of these nights and watch children's cartoons because we watched like all I fucking watch.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_03: American Dad, Family Guide.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_03: Those are not children's cartoons.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_03: Those aren't children's cartoons.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: I don't like children.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_04: There's some really there's some really good children's cartoons that have a lot of adult undertones, which is which they're good and they're lighthearted, but you also get like some snaps that are meant for adults.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: I like how you went to winding down your evenings with murder documentaries.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: It was Friday night, it was Saturday night, it was Saturday night, Saturday night murder documentary.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I was I was cruising through Netflix.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: I originally wanted to watch something, uh, you know, and then it turned into a thing.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_03: And like, well, let's settle on this old lady killing people and stuffing them in the yard.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_04: What am I someone I met recently uh was like, I don't like I don't I don't like fiction.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_04: Like I don't watch anything that's fiction.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_04: The only thing I I watch is murder documentary, like this is the only media she'll watch is like real life murder.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, she's like, I don't know, it my husband knows it about me, and and and he he's like all the time, like, I know you'd kill me.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_06: And I was like, I was like, what is going on in your world?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_04: She's also very fun, she's funny.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_06: Different strokes for different folks.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_04: Damn.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_04: I totally believed her too.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_03: Well, uh well, uh Trey, what are you what are your final thoughts on the mercy or justice?
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_02: It is hard.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: Only only for the sake of that with with the justice system yes, you want people to when they get in their place, rehab, if that's what's needed, get the the help they need, because everything's not always black and white in regards to like stuff that happens.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: Sometimes it is, sometimes it's not.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: But I think that also falls in regards to justice.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: Like if you set an actual thing, a system.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's funny, I'm speaking like a higher justice system should be.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: But this is actually set a system that depending on the case and the situation, yeah.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that we will do these things instead.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like this, because this is what it is, this is what you get.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: And there's no black and white in between them, yeah.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_02: It should be like an opinionated base system, which a lot of times it falls into.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's always really bizarre when you know you it's just because it's two different judges with two different thought processes, and you know, you see, well, this guy did this, this guy did this, but that's the same fucking thing.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_03: But for some reason, this guy's going away for 20 years, and this guy's getting house arrest.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_03: And you're like, Well, why?
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Why like what's the difference?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas if states and like says going whatever deep, but like each state has their own whatever, and then you're like, okay, if I'm living here, then they are about this.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll live here, this is what it is, and boom, boom, boom, boom, and whatever.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_02: But it causes too much confusion where everything's opinionated, and I think that's what the main problem is, is that it's all we mean a spreadsheet, just an Excel document that you enter the crime, and it's like a yes, no, a yes and no web question that leads to your sentence.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god, it sounds like a fucking nightmare.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_03: You have to fill out the application yourself.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_04: It's a bureaucracy.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_04: But they listen the punishment is going through an eternal bureaucracy.
• 24:34
  unknown: Yeah.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I'd like to see the flow chart where like you stabbed your wife and then it asks, like, all right, what time of day was this?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: And then yes, no, or a bunch of yes-no questions leading to all right, you're going to prison for six to seven.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not saying take away the court system.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you know what I'm saying?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: You still have a court system, you're still guilty, non-guilty, but if you were charged and you were guilty and it's proven you're guilty, then it's not like, all right, I'm gonna give you uh life without parole, and then the next guy comes and it's like, well, he's he's a young boy who doesn't know any better.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Let's get a fight, you know.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_04: This is this is a great, that's a great point.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_04: And I I think that it's really important to talk about justice because the the kind of justice you're talking about is like retribution.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's like the classic form of justice is when hold on, I got a definition here.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: Like rebu retributive justice is a theory of punishment that when an offender breaks the law, justice requires that they suffer in return, and that the response to a crime is proportional to the offense.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_04: And that's like that's like the classic theory of justice.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_04: But I think like that's I think that's wrong.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_04: I think we're moving out of that phase because all of us can agree that like something's wrong here.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, something is incredibly wrong here.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_04: And I and uh you know, I bet it's I bet for a lot of people it's not talked about enough, but there's this theory called restorative justice where the goal is to get the victim, the people who have suffered, who uh you know, and have them fit, you know, be able to face, you know, the person who did them harm and make a case in front of the community and talk about what what making amends for that harm would look like.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's a community-based decision where where people have to collaborate and at any time, you know, you could have harmed someone, and it's important to talk about those things and understand why this process is happening.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_04: Where in a retributive system, there's an incentive for people to try to get things out of you, you know.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, there's an incentive all the time, but like, and and no normal person has any say.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_04: Even victims, a lot of times, don't have say.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_04: Sometimes a victim may just be like, I don't want anything from this person.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_04: What I want is for everyone here who's seeing this to be careful around this person because this person was thoughtless and hurt me, even though it was a crime.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I don't think they should go to jail, and I don't want any money.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_04: I just want this person to be more careful, and all of you to be careful around this person, you know, and that could save a lot of people from going down terrible roads in both directions.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um restorative justice, look it up.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, I mean I like the concept.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: I do.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um sadly, my faith in the community's shaking a little bit.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_04: Um if those people do you do you think that it may be because they don't feel like there's been justice in their lives?
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_04: Like, no, this is the first thing.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: In terms of how how susceptible we are to the Tucker Carlsons and the Joe Rogans and the you know they feel ignored.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_04: Like they're not, obviously, they're the dominant group controlling a lot of shit that happens in our society, but like they're they feel the same things that we do about justice and how and and like if they if this system had been in place, those people might not be shitheads.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_03: I I love the concept, um, but I see it as like you know, if you're building a house, first we gotta do the foundation.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: You gotta clear them all out first.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: So like first we gotta work the foundation before we put in the dining room, which would be our justice system now.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: You know, we gotta just I I I would love to see us get to that point.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_03: I think we just have to correct a few base things first.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I think uh justice is like number three, you know.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think I feel like stuff should have like a standard.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's what that goes back to what I was saying.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like like you gotta have like a precedent set across the city.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_04: You can't, because as soon as you set a precedent, they're like mandatory minimums.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_04: Because people are because that's that's what people are that's what people do, you know.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, I'm not I'm not saying I don't mean it has to be in regards to sentencing.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: What I'm saying is like it's when when it comes to um court system, justice, things like that, those avenues are the things that you're not supposed to be able to have an opinion made base in.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's supposed to be this is what it is, this is what you did, this should be the outcome of it if you are found to be guilty of it.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, we're not gonna assume you are.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_03: No, I can definitely see the attractiveness in that, especially with the disparities in justice when it comes to sex, race, um, likability.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I'm yeah, I'm not even talking about the punishments.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's the that can be changed.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like we could we could say the outcome of it is that they get treatment in regards to you know, whatever, like but but before we even get to that point, a lot of stuff before we even get to that changes the outcome of what that shit we all have to become one before we start punishing everybody.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and then that's what I'm saying.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: I we need the foundation, and I'd like to build to that point, you know, like James is talking about.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_04: That's interesting.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_04: I think that justice is the first step because people are never gonna feel like people are never gonna feel like they get a fair shake, even if they're getting a better than fair shake, because they're not forced to participate in the system very often.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_04: I think that that's like the foundation is is to make our society equal in that way first.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: But you know, it's I I'm not in control.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, which is uh speaking of control, we can just as a species need to give our control to an AI give our control to dogs.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there you go.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um just get treats and belly rubs.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_04: Belly rub focused economy.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just this belly rubber.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_04: We we export uh chew toys and as return problems melting.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_02: I forget what season that was.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was season one season one.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, episode two, yeah, yeah.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, season one fucking tossing over the game.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_04: They came out, they came out of the gate hard.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_04: That was like an excellent, I think that was one of their best episodes.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_04: Number two.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_03: Well, on that note, it's time to get into the second part of this podcast.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: But before we do that, after that discussion, I think we need another drink.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: We need another hit.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: This is a fresh shot.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_03: I've been I've been missing my dead guy whiskey, I tell you that much.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, now wait, now you're giving them a good commercial dead guy whiskey.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: It'll make you go, what the fuck?
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: That was$40.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: Great Pharmasochists.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: Great for Masochists.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's all about perspective.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Before you commit your murder, drink your dead guy whiskey.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_02: It'll put you in the right sleep mode.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_02: What the fuck?
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: So it's time to do this final hit, final shot.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_03: The toast goes out to our combatants today.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_03: You guys are gonna have to help me here because I only remember Nathan Drake.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_02: Fuck, what did we do?
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: There's the Riddler.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_03: Nathan Drake versus the Riddler.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers to them.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: Cheers.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: I was about to say the other option we decided.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, fuck, it wasn't that because we said we weren't going to do that one yet.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: Dead guy whiskey.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_04: Oh shit, that was a real big hit.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_04: I thought I was going for a long time.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_02: Dead guy whiskey, ocean aged in the belly of a guy who killed himself on IPAs.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: Like so, like right now, I'm sitting here basking in the aftertaste.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_03: And if you legitimately, no bullshit, like the flavor of your average IPA, you might enjoy this.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: I do not.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_02: Who goes out their way to buy IPAs though?
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_04: Uh well, a lot of people like them.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, it's a very popular uh drink.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I think it's like the most consumed type of beer world right wide because it's Indian, right?
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_04: And and Indian people uh like Indian pale ale traditionally.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_04: Um I don't know.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: See, I'm not a beer drinker.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: I I think that's that's where my ignorance comes from.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, see, I'm not I'm not a beer drinker, but I am a bourbon drinker, and this ruined my bourbon.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it didn't taste like bourbon.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_04: I'm very sorry.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_04: You got a cool bottle.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we talked about it.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_04: You got a cool bottle out of it.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm gonna go back to it.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: And they were like, how can we get rid of these IPAs?
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_02: Let's call them whiskey.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_03: Let's pour whiskey into the IPA.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_03: Well, and I don't even think this isn't even a bourbon, it's just a mixed batch of flavors, you know.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm saying.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's not really bourbon, it's all it's their IPA overstock with a hint of bourbon.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's IPA backwash.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's real sorry, good.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: They just go from bar to bar picking up the empty IPAs and then just pouring that last swig, you know, the one they say is all spit.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, that's how bars get like cash back.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, the backwash you have left, send it to us.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: Let's call it a well drink.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_02: We'll give you money.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_02: Damn.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're just tearing this uh part.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: I've never drunk it before, bro.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not sitting here.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_04: We're real disappointed.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm upset.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_04: It was very weird and not good.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh my god, he is at home hitting his keyboard.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_04: Like how dare you fucking that was like harsh going down.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_04: That was harsh going down.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_04: It was so harsh, and it left just a terrible aftertaste.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I don't know what to say, it's just not good.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_03: Well, let's get into it.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_03: So today we have uh Dead Guy Whiskey IPA versus Um, so it's Nathan Drake of the Uncharted Series, popular line of video games, and the new movie starring Tom Holland and Mark Wahlberg versus Yeah.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck! That's the Riddle The Riddler.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: The Riddler once played by Jim Carrey just came up and yeah, the Jim Carrey Riddler, but there's a Riddler, I guess.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the Jim Carrey Riddler is the definitive Riddler, though, right?
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: Right as far as just the acting goes, I suppose.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, he hasn't been anything else, it's only been Jim Carrey.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_03: True.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he was better anyway.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_02: And spoiler if no one has read and looked up to seeing who all is in the Batman movie, I guess.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_02: But yes.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_02: I did.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: I looked it up.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: There's a Riddler.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: I know that Zoe Kravitz is in it.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_04: Paul Dano is Riddler.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_04: Paul Dano is uh I actually really like him as an actor.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_04: Who is that?
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_04: I've seen him somewhere.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_04: He's he's been in a lot of fun things.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um let me see.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_03: He was in when we when we do this part, I have been starting to feel the snooty face guy.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: I see him.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, uh yeah, he was in There Will Be Blood.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_04: He was in Oh god.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_04: Have you seen Swiss Army Man?
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_03: Uh he was in uh Girl Next Door.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, he was in Girl Next Door.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_04: He was the one with the very large penis.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_04: Surprise.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, the very dorky one.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_04: Spoilers.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, so the Riddler has a huge dick.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and he was in.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_04: Have have either of you seen Swiss Army Man?
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: That's only if the universe is collided.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_03: He couldn't in the Batman movie, it comes up.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's how he became the Riddler because of what happened.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_03: Is it is uh Girl Next Door in DCU?
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_02: Uh might be, I don't know.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, he was in the power of the dog?
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_04: Wow, dang.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, he was in that yeah.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_04: He's yeah, I I'm a really big fan.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_04: I think he's a great actor.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, hey, he was in 12 years of sleep.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_04: I wish I I wish I had seen the Batman before we started talking about the Riddler.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_04: I w I w I wish I could incorporate his performance.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm excited for it.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: I definitely want to see it.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um I've I've become a fan of uh Patterson Pattonson.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I've I've become a fan.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_03: I I feel that uh Twilight Fame.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: That after Twilight he he did a lot of good stuff, and you know, so I've become a fan.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm excited to see it.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_03: No, and even he himself he started coming at Twilight.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like look, man, you you took the money, dude.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_02: No one else has gotten the Twilight stink off them.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I was gonna say whoever played the werewolf, I really haven't seen it.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh well, he disappeared.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, uh uh Kristen Stewart, she she's done all right, she's picking herself up.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: Now, yeah, but you know, the time period after Twilight wasn't really that great.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, no one wanted to touch him.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: But I'm happy, I'm happy for Pattons and Paddington.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm happy for Paddington.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: They didn't get the Harry Potter stuff.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_04: I liked him in Harry Potter.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I read a thing about uh an interview he said.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: He was talking about uh everyone asked, like, why did you hold your wand like a gun?
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and he's like, Well, holding a wand like a wand would seem really lame.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, yeah, I kind of like this guy.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: And then he did the the he did that horror movie, well, the independent horror movie with Willem Dafoe.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_03: A lighthouse.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: I have not seen it.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_04: It is in my list.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's streaming, it's worth a watch for sure.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, anything with Willem Dafoe is worth a watch.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_04: What were we talking about?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_04: I'm pretty sure where there was supposed to be a fight happening.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, no, this is that part in the podcast where Joe Rogan, like, hey man, look that shit up, but use incognito because you know, government.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's what we're doing right now.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_02: While you watch your movie, take a swig of dead man whiskey because of the use from Joe Rogan.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: Fucking section.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: Something nice because we've been bashing their whiskey all day.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_03: We had to talk about you know Paddington and how he's doing.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, so I'm having a hard time paying attention, and I need to let's get on.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_04: Let's let's focus up.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_04: We gotta fight.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_04: So this is how it works for people who aren't aware.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_03: Round one, we go into the basement of the last Applebee's because millennials have killed the rest of them.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I I heard that it they're still open.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_04: You told me that they were closing, and I believed you.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_04: They are closing.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_04: No, they're all still open.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_04: They've they've had like they they actually had uh profits.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_04: Like they they recently had profits.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I heard.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I yeah, I've seen multiple articles the other way.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um let's we're gonna have to do research.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we're gonna have to check that out.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, either way, this uh yeah, look, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Applebee's is done.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um so they try over millennials.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_03: So they maybe the same thing.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_03: So they're closing 135 Applebee's and 25 IHOPs, and it'll offset some of the pains they've been feeling.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe not closing entirely, but only 25 iHops.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_03: There's like thousands of them.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I hops, whatever.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_02: Because you still gotta go get breakfast.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_03: Even if you don't have Applebee's, you need breakfast.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you need breakfast.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's true.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um, well, so anyway, um, this is how it works.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_03: We've just gone down into an Applebee's basement for round one where these characters they have nothing except what is just intrinsic to them.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's just pound for pound, punch for punch, and they go until one of them cannot move anymore.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: Round two zooms out into a city view where these characters have 24 hours to destroy the other one, and they get everything that they normally have access to.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_03: And then round three is the same thing as round two, except this time they get to bring a friend.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_03: So, transitioning into round one, we've gone down the Applebee's basement stairs.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_03: Share Carl Urban, they're up in the box seats, ready to watch this fight.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_03: Meanwhile, Val Kilmer is our Tyler Durden, and he's explaining the rules.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's time to fight.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_04: So All I could think the entire time you were talking was about breakfast.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: As soon as you brought up iHop.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_04: All I've been able to think about is breakfast.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_04: All right, let's get out of here.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_03: It was a good one.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_03: Jay, we're gonna meet you over down at the iHop.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_03: Dude, IHOP needs to put in a bar, and then I'd be good.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's not better than Waffle House.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_02: Waffle House tops everything.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_04: There are local, there are local places that would blow all of them out of the water.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_04: Like go to a local diner.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_04: Go to a local diner.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_02: Waffle House is king.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: No, it is not.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: You need to go to a local diner.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: Where do you go to get breakfast anytime you want cooked by someone who doesn't give a shit but will make you the best meal ever in in-house entertainment when people start fighting?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's like going to medieval times.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_03: You eat it with your hands because you know there's no silverware left.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_05: Listen, I like Waffle House.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_05: I like Waffle House too.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: But like, come on.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: No diner.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_02: They leave for one in Vegas.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: I swear to God, they blew Waffle House in Vegas and have fights every night.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: I agree.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure they would be local unless you're in fucking the Midwest and then like everything's just delivered by Kroger and it tastes the same and it's just garbage.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_04: There aren't great local diners.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: On the west or the east, yeah.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, helpful.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: Not shit in the local diners because they are good ones.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: Just Waffle House tops eight.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_03: We got married in Waffle House.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_03: No, we did not.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_02: Did not get married there.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: They catered.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they catered his wedding.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: They even brought a fight.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_03: The caterer got in a fight with a bridesmaid.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: The whole shebang.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_01: Great waffle house.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: Offer 50 bucks.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, so we've jumped into round one.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's time to get this fight on.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_03: Pound for pound, punch for punch.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: Trey?
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_03: Round one, who's gonna win?
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_03: Nathan Drake or the Riddler?
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: Whoo, okay.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: So since I haven't seen the new Batman's Riddler, I go to Jim Carrey's Riddler.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I feel like the first part will turn into a sarcasm fest at the beginning to where no punches are thrown at first.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Aiden Drake is just like, what the fuck?
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_02: And it goes into sarcasm, and the riddler goes into riddles and sarcasm.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: And they're just standing there for like 10 minutes and the Val Kemmer's Batman.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's gonna be Val Kemmer's Batman in the stands.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_02: Fights for me.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: Fights for me.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_02: And eventually they start going.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't know why I see the Riddler as a I feel like he has a staff with the Riddler.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: He can't nothing first round.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, it's just straight straight punches.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: Just straight punch for punch.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_02: So then I I I don't know why I see the Riddler as the guy from was it Tekken, Valdo, or Val?
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no, that was that was uh Soul Calibur.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_02: Soul Caliber, yeah, yeah.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like the Riddler fights like that.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know why I see it, but that's why I see two souls intertwined in destiny.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_04: Val Kilmer saying it, man.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_04: That got so annoying.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_04: I heard two souls intertwined like a million fucking times.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: That drives you insane.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh this is hilarious.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_03: Just so Val Kilmer's in the center, and the microphone comes down from the ceiling.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_04: Two souls.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_04: Two souls.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_04: Cher would murder him.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_04: We're gonna have to get a new Brad Pitt reverse.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_04: Slits his throat.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_04: Licks the blade.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_04: Justice was done to mercy was done today.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's true.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_03: Cher kills you.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_03: Cher kills you quickly.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_03: She she she's at a mercy day.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's not about justice right now.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's about mercy that time.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_03: All right.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_03: Cher has murdered Val Kilmer.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_03: We'll have a new judge next week.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_03: So Valkammer just got his throat slit, and uh who wins amongst our fighters?
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, I think they're both shocked.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_04: I think that both of them are like, what the fuck?
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: MF hit Batman is Tyrone from Days of Phil.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_04: So who do you think would who do you think would win that fight?
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_04: Try.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I feel like Nathan Drake would win just because he would take it more serious.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like the Riddler.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know if he's a fire fighter like that.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think soul caliber.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_02: I gave him soul caliber buff.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_04: Assuming he's fighting like Voldo.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, assuming he's fighting like Voldo, who does who he doesn't have any claws right now either.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_04: He doesn't have any claws.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_04: He's going with his fingertips.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: Why so much leather?
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's all interpretive dance based.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: Possibly.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well, uh James, what about you?
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so I think the only shot Riddler has is that honestly, Cher just murdered Val Kilmer in front brutally in front of him.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_04: I think that right now he, because of the situation he's in, he could maybe trick Nathan Drake.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_04: I think that he might be smart enough to trick Nathan Drake because Nathan Drake gets tricked a lot.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if you've ever played the games, but he is misled about like 80% of the time.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's weird.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_03: He's super smart until he's not.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's very bizarre.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like he solves ancient riddle.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, oh, there it is.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, he gets him with a riddle?
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_04: Do you think that's the super?
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no! Nathan Drake holds riddles.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe not in this round.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_05: That might be around two or three.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, maybe not this round.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_04: Because he can't he can't send him on a riddle right now.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_03: So I what I what I see here is you got the riddle or interpretive dancing up to him.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_03: Now, a superpower that Nathan Drake has, for those who have played the game, he only needs to punch an opponent four times with his wide swing and hook.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_03: Three.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_03: And then yeah, and then he kicks you, and it's very action-oriented.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_03: It makes you feel like you're there, but the guy goes down regardless.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_03: You know, and he does it while he's getting shot.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_03: He does, and and Riddler is.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, so Riddler at one point became hush just because he was so pissed that it's easy to kick his ass.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I I think that uh Nathan Drake will discover that as well.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_03: I think so.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_06: I think I think that I think that Riddler's gonna be like, let me ask you this, and he's just gonna get balls.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_04: Like, there's no way I'm upsetting that lady.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_04: She just murdered Val Gilbert in front of me.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_03: And well, Riddler's like, you don't know Cher?
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_03: And then he gets bought.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um Yeah, so alright.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I feel like we're pretty much on the same page then here.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: Alright.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: So uh congratulations, Nathan Drake.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_03: Moving into round two, we've zoomed down to a city view.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_03: These characters have received the manila envelope underneath their apartment doors.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_03: They now that they know that they have 24 hours to kill the other one, and they have everything that they have.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_03: Let's get it on.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_03: Trey, what do you think?
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_02: Full City View and their tools with them.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like this would work.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_02: This should work in the riddle's favorite.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: Only because one riddles uh he has he has uh uh ability to set traps, abilities to whatever.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um but Nathan Drake is like so easily manipulated.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like I feel like this would work.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_02: It will it will it will fall down to the fact of how many tries does Nathan Drake get in regards to being able to solve the riddle?
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: Because if it's one and if it's like uh Ghost of not Ghost of Shashimi, uh but Sicario, where like if you die, you start all the way back, they're playing lose shit to whereas the the riddler wouldn't go out and fight, he would set up stuff, confuse his opponent, but depending on how smart his individual is, his his his riddles do get solved, like they're solvable.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_03: Like I mean, we we've never seen the riddle riddle that's gone unsolved.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I that my copy of Batman Ark of Asylum would disagree.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_04: Many are remained unsolved.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_04: Like 20% of them.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: You've chosen not to solve them.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_03: Well, that that brings up a a very good advantage in Nathan Drake's corner that he could just not solve it and go kick his ass.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: But in his DNA, he is a riddle solver.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_03: Any riddle he encounters, he must solve so Nathan gets all of his equipment.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_03: So Nathan gets his journal.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't know if he's just a fantastic artist and it's never brought up.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but he has this journal that as Nathan learns, just these beautiful illustrations of the things he's seen that lead to the answer of a riddle.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_03: And he just carries this book around and he'll get to the Riddler's riddle, pull out his journal, and say, Look at all these new illustrations.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, did I do that?
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_00: And then be like, Oh, the answer is here.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_04: But I think Riddler is smart enough to know that.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like Riddler's in a different class from um Nathan Drake's normal uh enemies who do often mislead him.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm sorry, let's not forget the Riddler is smart, like he is not an idiot, like he's like superhumanly intelligent.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like he is highly intelligent.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_02: So Nate Drake is just a normal treasure hunt.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't want to say like normal, but like he's just a guy who tried clever.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like he's he's witty.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_03: He's witty, he's a he's an he's an expert at stealth, he has a magical notebook that solves riddles, he fails all the time.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_02: He can take many bullets.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_02: He's not an expert of stealth.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_04: So I agree, he can take a ton of bullets, but listen, so here's what happens in a Nathan Drake story Nathan gets Nathan, someone comes to Nathan as his friend, and they give him a mission, a riddle to solve.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_04: And he doesn't know they're an enemy because he's a dumbass.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_04: And then he gets betrayed, and a friend needs to help him, yeah, but he does not have a friend right now.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, right.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_04: He doesn't have a any fucking friends.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so eventually he'll encounter a smart woman.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_04: Riddler's gonna fucking catfish him online, and and Nathan Drake will be running down clues until he lands in Riddler's trap, and there's not gonna be anyone to save Nathan Drake.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I uh yeah, you know what?
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_02: I think the Riddler has this.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it seems like the votes are in then.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um so Riddler is gonna take round two.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_02: Which moves us.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know, sorry for you, boo.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: I think it it actually boils down to how how long it takes the the Nathan Drake to get caught in Riddler's trap, and how shocked the Riddler will be, how easy it's Nathan Drake has never done anything that wasn't solving a mystery.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_04: Literally, he's never had there's no time when he's not solving a mystery.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_04: What what what part of Nathan Drake's life do we see where he is not solving a mystery?
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_03: The beginning of the third one, where he's um just an underwater recovery expert.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_02: And he missed solving mysteries.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_02: And he just missed pining about not solving mysteries.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_03: And then at the end, where you run around as his daughter solving the mystery of her parents.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_04: He passed on his addiction to his children.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there you have it, folks.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_03: Riddler takes round two.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_03: Tell your kids mysteries, not even once.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_03: Not even one mystery.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_03: Not even once.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_03: Everything else, fine, try it.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it's your life.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_03: So moving into round three, it's the same thing as round two, except time this time these characters get to bring a friend.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_03: And I I got a good feeling about this one.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so uh Trey, guess first.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_03: What what goes down?
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_03: Who do they bring?
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: Man, okay.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_02: This one's this one's kind of harder.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: Only because it's like with the Riddler, what friend would he actually bring?
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm torn.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: He'd bring pawns.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: He'd bring pawns.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't even think he'd bring pawns.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: I I literally think I'm gonna go left field and I'm gonna say he breathes Batman.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_02: And the way he breathe.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_04: You think he ropes Batman into it?
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: Ropes Batman into it with a riddle.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_02: Shit.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_03: But Batman does not like guns.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_03: They're not the biggest thing.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_03: But if that happens, Nathan Drake and Batman will be locked in a tie fight just because this is what it is.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_03: This is Batman's theme, and then they'll realize that the true enemy is the riddler, and I think that'll No.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_04: The problem is Nathan Drake uses guns to shoot people, and Batman and he's not an officer of the law or anything like that.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like Batman will 100% vigilante attack Nathan Drake as a murderer.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly, because you don't, it's not about third round, it's not about killing the individual, it's about getting the individual.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_02: And the moment the Batman like apprehends and stops him, technically the round's over.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so I feel like he would trick Batman into helping him do this as a like as as whatever, as a threat to Gotham City or whatever.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: Batman always falls into the trap, and then, like you said, will then talk about it.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_02: He always pulls himself out of it.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_02: But Batman, eventually, we'll eventually pull himself out of it.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_04: There's also collateral damage when Batman gets involved.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: So for this, I feel like he would bring Batman in with Nathan, is with Drake, is is either Sully or the woman he's trying to bang.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_02: Depending on the game.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'd say we'll continue.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's it's either going to be Sully who's been with him from day one, or the I forget the girl's name who was with him from day one, but it's either gonna be one of the two.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_02: And regardless of the fact that whoever it is, I feel like Chloe.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_03: Chloe was the super attractive, sexy one who came in and was pulling Nathan towards the wild side of treasure hunting.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh, yeah.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_04: Treasure hunting wasn't wild enough.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_03: Meanwhile, it was the other female that he eventually marries.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right, yeah, that's what that's the one that's what would be there.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, she's more of a journalist anyway, so I feel like Sullivan would be the one he will call upon.
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and she was pulling him towards normalcy.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_02: No, normalcy, bad.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_02: But the case of the fact that he brings in the Batman, I feel like Riddler would take round three just off the strip of Batman alone.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_02: Elena.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_02: Because all he would need Batman to do was be to stop Nathan Drake, which he's going to do.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_02: And then, yes, Nathan Drake and him will have the talk, and Batman will realize that he's been tricked, and then he will go after the Riddler.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_02: But once he apprehended Nathan Drake, the round's over.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_02: Unless we give like a clause that he has to like cage him or he has to like kill him or something.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_03: So well, it has to be until they're entirely and utterly incapacitated and or dead.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_03: I think that could easily incapacitate.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_02: He could, but he won't.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_02: So if that's the case, then I'm gonna just say he brings in uh Joker.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_03: And then Joker brings in Joker, that would change.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_03: I think that I think that's a little more sure.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_04: Either way, either way, I I I think Batman would no have I think Batman's theme would outweigh uh uh Nathan Drake's theme anyway.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_04: And Batman just fucking hates people who kill people with guns.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's just something that he hates, and I don't think no matter even if we saw Nathan Drake as the protagonist, and that doesn't override Batman's like desire to stop people and kill people with guns.
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_04: Like that's his whole thing.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_04: That's why he's Batman.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but anyway, if we bring Joker in, Joker's gonna cause untold destruction.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, I I don't know if Soly can get him out of this one, you know.
• 59:13
  SPEAKER_04: You know who I think could though?
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_03: I think that Nathan Drake will summon Tom Holland and bring in Spider-Man.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh Spider-Man can be a Batman.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_03: I don't either, but he'll distract Batman long enough for Nathan.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_03: What about the joke beat um Riddler?
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think Spider-Man can stop the Joker?
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's just way out of his league.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's way out of not Tom Hollis Spider-Man.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_02: Tobey Maguire's Toby Maguire's, of course.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_02: Could definitely beat him.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Tom Hollis Spider-Man is not being any DC character.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_02: No, there's nothing they can do.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_02: No.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_03: He's helpless.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, well, but it would distract Batman long enough to let an action hero who can defeat anyone in four punches with a journal that says solves riddles to beat up Volto.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_04: I just I don't see how Nathan Drake could win this one.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_03: Well, let's bring it down to final thoughts and a vote.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_03: Trey, what do you got?
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_02: Again, the moment the Riddler brings in, I don't care who he picks out of the Batman Universe.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_02: Hell, even uh a fair fight, maybe the pin one.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_02: And even one of the cops.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: One of the cops.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: And even then, I feel like Jim Gordon.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_01: Nah.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_02: Even Jim Jim Corn Jordan Jim Gordon was still at the holders.
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the more like Robin.
• 1:00:44
  SPEAKER_04: Robin would be fine.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_04: Robin a little more manipul easy to manipulate than Batman.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, where'd you go on?
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Dick Grayson when he was still Robin.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_04: Oh man.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_04: Easily manipulable, but also survives childhood 100%.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_04: That's true.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_02: He turned into he turned into a good guy.
• 1:01:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_04: So uh very talented.
• 1:01:11
  SPEAKER_04: I think he could do just what Batman did and without with being more easily manipulated.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_03: Well, uh try final thoughts and a vote.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, long story short, uh, it it goes to the riddler.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh his wits, smarts with with one, overpower Nathan Drake.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_02: He would he would give Nathan Drake a riddle in the second round, cause him to uh Nathan Drake to lose, third round would start, we'll give him another riddle.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like Riddler would have it.
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_02: All right, James.
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I think Riddler wins.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_04: I think that we I think Riddler, honestly, we went easy on Riddler um by giving him Nathan Drake as an opponent.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_04: Like I think Riddler, uh Riddler kind of undersells himself a lot.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_04: Um I think he does kind of undersell himself a lot, but that's apparently the point of this whole new Batman movie, right?
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_04: Is that I think it is Hush, right?
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_03: Or you said that he I think that the I haven't seen it yet.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_03: I'm going to, I'm excited for it, but we'll see how it goes.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_04: But it's the but essentially the Riddler is like, nobody takes me seriously.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's why you created Hush to be like so you you guys are saying that it would turn into the Hush story, but against someone who's just not prepared for it.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 1:02:29
  SPEAKER_02: Not prepared because this technically is supposed to be your your your top self, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_02: Your best self, yeah, which would have been Riddler's Hush, which would have been Riddler's Hush.
• 1:02:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I see no point.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_02: Nathan Drake's best self was Oh my god.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_03: He solved was the one in Fortnite.
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_04: He uh so he solves mysteries, and sometimes there's like a supernatural element, but it's not really well.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_03: It always ends at the supernatural element, which is bizarre.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was very surprised in when I played every one of them.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_03: I started with the first one, then all of a sudden there's creatures coming out of a cave.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_03: What the fuck is this?
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_03: So he never addresses it.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but he he's never faced like the maniacal kind of sociopathic murder horror.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_04: He faces like out of nowhere supernatural enemies, but Riddler, his hush is just like completely ruin your life and lead you down dead ends as the people around you perish.
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_04: And um and I think it's different than what Nathan Drake has ever seen.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, um, yeah, the only thing I would say is I I think that uh, you know, for first Batman's um anti-gun policy goes as far as does he know you?
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um Right.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because as soon as like fucking uh you know Jason Todd is wielding guns, it's like, well, but I I know him.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_03: It's fine.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_04: He's the only gun person that Batman did not incarcerate.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_03: And then but that uh bat uh one of the uh Batwoman, she gets very vicious and he's like, She's got bats in some reason.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_03: You know, that you know, there's trauma that Batman's.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then as soon as Batman experiences any trauma, he's now in the future with guns, and it's you know, like this fucking straw that broke the camel's back.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_03: He gets his for a camel, he gets his back broken a lot.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_03: True.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, and and the only thing I would say that that maybe would steer this the other way for me, at least, is just that if it's if it's Nathan Drake versus the Riddler, you're gonna be playing as Nathan Drake.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_03: And worst case for Nathan Drake is Riddler will get a health bar.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_03: And they'll wind up fighting after Nathan Drake solved the riddle, and there's ammo everywhere.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_04: And um, that's just like about you know I yeah, I guess if we're playing Nathan Drake, but I was doing more Nathan Drake movie, right?
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_04: If he's a movie character, you're viewing in third person.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:05:05
  SPEAKER_02: This is yeah, this is Nathan Drake in there by himself without help from you on the controller in a he's an uncharted walker.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_03: But at the end of the day, so well, there you have it, folks.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_03: It is going to Nathan.
• 1:05:21
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's going to the Riddler.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_03: Congratulations, Mr.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_03: Nigma.
• 1:05:29
  SPEAKER_03: Edward Nigma.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_03: Get it?
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_03: Because it's E Nigma.
• 1:05:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_03: You guys get that?
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_03: We get it.
• 1:05:35
  SPEAKER_03: You guys get that?
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_03: And then Batman didn't solve that at first.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's why he's called like that.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_04: Batman didn't figure that out until like the end of the movie.
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, it took Batman like 60 years to like catch on to the Riddlers shit, which is very funny.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_03: Because he's trying to get all the trophies.
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so there you have it, folks.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, congratulations, Edward Nigma, the Riddler.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_03: You have won.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_03: You've defeated Tom Holland.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um there you have it, folks.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_03: I I don't know.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_03: So this has been yeah, sorry.
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_03: Uh welcome to High and Drive Podcast.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_03: So uh hey uh Trey, thanks so much for joining us for the 60th episode.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_03: It was great to have you back.
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, of course.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_02: 60th episode.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody, isn't that crazy?
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_02: I can't believe it.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_02: We're all back.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_02: Could have sworn been shut down by somebody.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_02: Dead man whiskey.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_03: Or dead guy, sorry.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_03: Hey yeah, in the court case, I'll always call them dead man.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's not our fucking name.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's dead guy, dead guy.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_03: Listen here, all right.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_03: Fucking dead man spirits.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_03: Still not the name.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_03: Well, again, man, it's been awesome.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um thanks, Trey, for coming back.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks everyone for listening.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_03: This has been Highness I Podcast.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_03: Catch you later.
• 1:06:59
  SPEAKER_02: Bye.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, before you go, hey, wait, the the winners of the fight should all get dead guy whiskey.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_02: Like the award winning dead guy whiskey is the prize.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_02: Fighting for at the end of the you did it.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_02: This is mercy.