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Speaker 1: Here he is from New York. That Kevin mcclellaugh.
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Speaker 2: Him Kevin McCullough Today, no news. We're not talking about
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Speaker 2: the headlines of the newspaper or what's going on. We're
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Speaker 2: going to an older text, a text called the Bible
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Speaker 2: to hear a story that is as ubiquitous as the
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Speaker 2: character It features, the thief on the Cross. This is
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Speaker 2: called Heaven How I Got Here, and it stars actor
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Speaker 2: Stephen Baldwin in a text by pastor Colin S. Smith.
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Speaker 3: I can't begin to tell you what it's like up here.
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Speaker 3: I've heard it said that there's only a small distance
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Speaker 3: between agony and ecstasy. That I can tell you from
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Speaker 3: my experience, there an unfathomable gulf. I endured the agony
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Speaker 3: of crucifixion, but the ordeal passed, and now I'm savoring
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Speaker 3: the perfect joys of heaven. How I got here is
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Speaker 3: still amazing to me. But I'm telling my story so
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Speaker 3: that you can share the joys I have found. Looking
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Speaker 3: back on what happened that day, I now see so
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Speaker 3: much more than I was able to grasp with the time,
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Speaker 3: and the more I discover, the more staggering and wonderful
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Speaker 3: the whole story becomes not Many men open their eyes
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Speaker 3: in the morning knowing it's their last day on earth.
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Speaker 3: This is it, This is the day I die. Looking
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Speaker 3: back the entire day and how it ended still blows
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Speaker 3: my mind. I awoke in the cell where they were
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Speaker 3: holding me, impending execution, or, to be more accurate, torture, humiliation,
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Speaker 3: and a long, slow descent into death on a cross.
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Speaker 3: Only the Romans could have perpetuated such barbarity, and I
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Speaker 3: hated them with every fiber of my being. My story
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Speaker 3: began in an ordinary home and is largely without surprise.
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Speaker 3: My father made a modest living as a builder, while
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Speaker 3: my mother, who set the pace for our family, gave
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Speaker 3: herself to setting her children on the right path. Because
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Speaker 3: we were Jewish, the synagogue was a regular part of
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Speaker 3: our family life, as was the annual trip to the
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Speaker 3: temple in Jerusalem. My mother, a woman of ridiculous faith,
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Speaker 3: made sure that I was well schooled in the teachings
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Speaker 3: of our fathers. God is watching you, she would say,
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Speaker 3: He sees everything, and he never forgets. He remembers the
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Speaker 3: good and he remembers the evil. You always read what
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Speaker 3: you sew. Her favorite book in the Scriptures was the
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Speaker 3: Book of Proverbs. I can still hear her voice telling
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Speaker 3: me that the fear of the Lord is the beginning
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Speaker 3: of wisdom, and then she would ask me, do you
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Speaker 3: fear God? It never occurred to me that there was
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Speaker 3: any other option. Like most children, I pretty much just
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Speaker 3: accepted what my mother taught me about God until my
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Speaker 3: early teens, when I began to have questions about God
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Speaker 3: and about authority in general. A major turning point occurred
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Speaker 3: for me at the age of thirteen, when I saw
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Speaker 3: up close the injustice that was woven into the fabric
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Speaker 3: of our national life. My father works so hard to
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Speaker 3: make ends meet for our family, but the taxes imposed
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Speaker 3: on us by the occupying Roman army made even our
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Speaker 3: modest lifestyle hard to sustain. That particular day, the tax
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Speaker 3: collector knocked on the door with his latest, unfounded demand.
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Speaker 3: I remember the pain of the powerless look on my
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Speaker 3: father's face. He was as if they hadn't broken his
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Speaker 3: back and crushed his spirit. Everyone knew that the system
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Speaker 3: was riddled with corruption, but what can you do when
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Speaker 3: the power of a brutal army stands behind the slimy
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Speaker 3: little tax man. Seeing my father look that way made
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Speaker 3: me furious. What right did these impostors have to march
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Speaker 3: into our land and demand our money? Since when did
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Speaker 3: we owe them? The whole thing was an injustice, and
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Speaker 3: even as a young man, it made me mad. It
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Speaker 3: simply wasn't fair. Our annual visit to the Temple in
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Speaker 3: Jerusalem had always been a highlight of our family life.
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Speaker 3: I think of a vacation with your extended family and
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Speaker 3: you'll get the idea. My first impression of the Temple
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Speaker 3: was of awe and wonder. The size of the building,
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Speaker 3: the depth of the walls, the noise of the crowds,
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Speaker 3: and the relentless activity in the temple courts took my
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Speaker 3: breath away. But as the years passed, my questions began
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Speaker 3: to grow. Over time, the hatred I felt to a
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Speaker 3: drone showed up in a growing resentment toward the Temple,
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Speaker 3: its rules, and it's God. I watched how people poured
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Speaker 3: money into the temple treasury and thought about how that
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Speaker 3: money could be used to fund the small bands of
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Speaker 3: freedom fighters who were ready to risk their lives in
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Speaker 3: standing up to the Roman occupation. But that didn't happen. Instead,
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Speaker 3: the money rolled into the temple coffers to be sunk
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Speaker 3: into the endless maintenance of buildings and priests, who, as
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Speaker 3: far as I could see, had little to offer rules, morality.
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Speaker 3: Where was this getting us? What could it all accomplish?
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Speaker 3: Somewhere in these anxious and angry thoughts, a rebellion was
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Speaker 3: born in my heart. So you won't be surprised when
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Speaker 3: I tell you that the temple was the scene of
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Speaker 3: my first theft. At age fifteen. I had been watching
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Speaker 3: as people put their money into the treasury and had
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Speaker 3: been surprised by the low level of security. It would
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Speaker 3: be as easy, I figured, for me to take money
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Speaker 3: out of the treasury as it was for them to
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Speaker 3: put money in. If the priests weren't going to put
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Speaker 3: the money to good use, maybe I could. As the
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Speaker 3: thought settled decision emerged, my palms began to sweat as
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Speaker 3: I watched and waited for the right moment. Then, with
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Speaker 3: money in hand, I stepped forward to the basin where
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Speaker 3: the gifts were gathered, famed the dropping of my coins,
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Speaker 3: and in the same movement gathered a fistful of cash.
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Speaker 3: Walking away, I felt sure that a large hand would
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Speaker 3: be laid on my shoulder and that I would be confronted,
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Speaker 3: but it never happened. I had committed the perfect crime,
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Speaker 3: and as much as I hated to admit it, it
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Speaker 3: felt good. My theft at the treasury planted the seed
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Speaker 3: of a grander scheme for a nobler purpose. Somebody needed
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Speaker 3: to do something bold, and that became my life's ambition.
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Speaker 3: Each time I stole, it got easier for me. I
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Speaker 3: had far bigger hauls and far less fear of consequences.
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Speaker 3: Over time, I became arrogant in my crimes and lazy
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Speaker 3: in my efforts to hide them. After years of stealing, lying,
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Speaker 3: and taking advantage of others, the consequences of my lifestyle
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Speaker 3: finally caught up with me. That large hand of the
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Speaker 3: law I had eluded for so long landed on my
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Speaker 3: shoulder and led me to the cell where I began
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Speaker 3: the last day of my life. A loud thud verberately
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Speaker 3: on the cell door as a heartless guard stepped in
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Speaker 3: with a mug and plate in his hand. Breakfast, he said,
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Speaker 3: as he spat in my food. Enjoy your last meal.
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Speaker 3: The door closed and I sat alone, powerless, staring at
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Speaker 3: the walls of my miserable cell. This was the end
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Speaker 3: of the line for me, and it felt as if
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Speaker 3: the devil was on my shoulder. In front of me
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Speaker 3: was a day of excruciating pain, and who knew what
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Speaker 3: would lie beyond that. Rage against Rome had energized my life,
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Speaker 3: and now I was in the hands of the people
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Speaker 3: I hated. I had dared to resist their power, and
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Speaker 3: I knew that they would show me no mercy. They
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Speaker 3: would make an example of me and use my pain
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Speaker 3: to stop any brave souls whom I consider following my
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Speaker 3: example in their tracks. As I considered the day that
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Speaker 3: stretched in front of me, I determined to show no weakness.
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Speaker 3: The Romans could break my body, but they could never
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Speaker 3: break my spirit. I resolved to die in defiance.
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Speaker 2: You're listening to Heaven how I got here, the story
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Speaker 2: of the Thief on the Cross. I'm Kevin McCullough will
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Speaker 2: be right back.
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Speaker 4: Here.
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Speaker 1: He is from New York, That Kevin mcoma.
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Speaker 2: It's hard for me to believe that it's been the
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Speaker 2: number of years that it has since we originally produced
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Speaker 2: what we're listening to on this Holy weekend. This story
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Speaker 2: the Thief on the Cross was a sermon. Well, it
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Speaker 2: was from scripture, but it was a sermon written by
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Speaker 2: Colin S. Smith from the Orchard Church in Chicago, and
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Speaker 2: they had reached out and asked my business partner and
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Speaker 2: co host on Saturday nights across the country, Stephen Baldwin
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Speaker 2: at the time, if he could be the embodiment of
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Speaker 2: the Thief on the Cross in a couple of different ways.
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Speaker 2: And on radio tonight, we're just listening to the audio
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Speaker 2: drum presentation that we produced. I directed this and did
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Speaker 2: every ounce of the recording with Stephen into the late
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Speaker 2: nights as he was embodying the Thief and kind of
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Speaker 2: going through the different stages of what the Thief experiences
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Speaker 2: in his dramatic transformation that took place that day on
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Speaker 2: the cross next to Jesus. But this is a very
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Speaker 2: moving presentation and I feel very, very humbled and grateful
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Speaker 2: to open the Bible dot Org. Open the Bible dot
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Speaker 2: org if you want to know more about where this
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Speaker 2: book came from, where the story came from. If you'd
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Speaker 2: like to get a copy of this presentation itself, they
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Speaker 2: have them there for download, and I think you can
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Speaker 2: also still get it on good old fashioned CD. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if that's of interest to anybody, but open
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Speaker 2: the Bible dot Org is where you go for that
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Speaker 2: information open the Bible dot org. We now continue with
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Speaker 2: the next chapter of the life of the Thief on
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Speaker 2: the Cross, on the day when he had breakfast in
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Speaker 2: prison but had supper with his savior as he described
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Speaker 2: in chapter one. Again, this is the actor Stephen Baldwin
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Speaker 2: in the book by Colin S.
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Speaker 3: Smith, Chapter two, Hatred nine Am. Two others shared my
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Speaker 3: ordeal of the day I was crucified one after the other.
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Speaker 3: They nailed us to cross as I was not able
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Speaker 3: to see the guards do their work on the first victim,
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Speaker 3: but I watched closely as the second was pushed forward.
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Speaker 3: A large beam of wood was placed on the ground,
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Speaker 3: and a moment later the victim, who had been poleaxed
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Speaker 3: by the guard, was lying on it. One of the
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Speaker 3: soldiers stomped on the man's right forearm, pinning him to
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Speaker 3: a second beam. Then they produced the nails organized screaming
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Speaker 3: put through the morning air. As the victim's hand was
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Speaker 3: pierced by a blunt spike four times. I heard that
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Speaker 3: awful shriek. This is what happens to thieves, shouted one
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Speaker 3: of the guards. His words seemed to be for the
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Speaker 3: crowd rather than the victim, to whom he gave no regard.
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Speaker 3: Then it happened to me. There are no words to
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Speaker 3: describe the pain of crucifixion. All I can tell you
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Speaker 3: is that hatred sustained me determine to show no weakness.
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Speaker 3: I fixed my eyes on the guard but the hammer,
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Speaker 3: and loathed him. He looked at me for a brief moment,
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Speaker 3: but seeing the intensity in my eye, as he turned away.
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Speaker 3: I stared at him and stealed myself as he indulged
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Speaker 3: his macabre act. But worse was yet to come. After
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Speaker 3: fixing my body to this instrument of torture, they lifted
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Speaker 3: me up and dropped the beam into the roughly cut
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Speaker 3: hole in the ground. The weight of my entire body
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Speaker 3: sent searing pain through the wounds in my hands. My
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Speaker 3: only relief was to press down with my legs, transferring
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Speaker 3: the most intense pain to my feet. I found that
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Speaker 3: I could breathe when the weight was on my feet,
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Speaker 3: so I developed a kind of rhythm in which I
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Speaker 3: moved between hanging from my hands and pressing on my feet.
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Speaker 3: Either way, the agony was unrelenting. The first victim was
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Speaker 3: clearly the object of unusual attention. His cross had been
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Speaker 3: placed at the center, with the second VICTI him and
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Speaker 3: myself just a few feet away on either side. I
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Speaker 3: was completely absorbed with my own pain and had taken
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Speaker 3: no notice of him until I heard him speak, Father,
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Speaker 3: forgive them, he said, forgive them? Who is this man?
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Speaker 3: Some kind of saint? My entire life I found it
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Speaker 3: hard to even think about forgiving people who wronged me.
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Speaker 3: I held grudges for years over small things people said
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Speaker 3: or did to me. The idea of forgiving these executioners,
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Speaker 3: for mutilating our bodies and seemingly enjoying it, You've got
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Speaker 3: to be kidding. I hated them. Anyone who would forgive
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Speaker 3: them was no friend of mine. As I turned toward him,
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Speaker 3: I saw the writing above his head. This is Jesus,
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Speaker 3: the King of the Jews. Jesus. I had heard about him,
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Speaker 3: the miracle worker from Nazareth who claimed to be the Messiah. Well,
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Speaker 3: I thought, if he is able to perform miracles, this
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Speaker 3: is surely the day to produce one. But it's always
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Speaker 3: the same thing with these religious types. Great claims, nice thoughts,
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Speaker 3: but no muscle to confront the harsh realities of this world.
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Speaker 3: Seeing him, writhe in agony, seemed only to prove my point.
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Speaker 3: Praying for forgiveness might sound impressive to some, but it
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Speaker 3: could never match the raw power of nails and a hammer.
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Speaker 3: I watched him, and already I despised him. I was
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Speaker 3: not alone. Crucifixions always drew a crowd, but this crowd
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Speaker 3: was larger and more hostile than usual. People walked back
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Speaker 3: and forward in front of his cross, looking up and
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Speaker 3: addressing the helpless victim above them. Someone shouted, if you
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Speaker 3: are the son of God, come down from the cross.
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Speaker 3: The crowd responded by chanting in a wave of agreement,
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Speaker 3: come down, Come down, Come down. Then someone else from
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Speaker 3: the crowd stepped away and, pointing at Jesus, shouted, you
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Speaker 3: said you would destroy the temple and rebuild it in
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Speaker 3: three days. Save yourself. As the taunts wore on, I
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Speaker 3: wondered how this Jesus had ignited so much hostility. After all,
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Speaker 3: someone who wanted to destroy the temple couldn't be all
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Speaker 3: that bad. As far as I was concerned, what it
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Speaker 3: would mean to be the son of God was vague
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Speaker 3: to me then, though it is wonderfully clear to me
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Speaker 3: now that I'm in heaven. Names described characters in our culture.
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Speaker 3: If you were a miserable person, you might be described
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Speaker 3: as the son of misery. If you regularly encouraged others,
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Speaker 3: you could be described as a son of encouragement. So
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Speaker 3: the son of God would describe a person who embodied
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Speaker 3: all that God is in the flesh. The absurdity of
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Speaker 3: this might seem obvious to you, but according to the crowd,
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Speaker 3: Jesus had claimed to be the son of God, so
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Speaker 3: it was hardly surprising to hear them give him this challenge.
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Speaker 3: If you are the Son of God, come down from
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Speaker 3: the cross.
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Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough. We continue with Heaven, How I got here
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Speaker 2: the story of the Thief on the Cross in just moment,
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Speaker 2: and I want you to stay with me for just
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Speaker 2: another minute or so. It's Kevin McCollough. Because this year,
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Speaker 2: with someone who needs the hope that the thief ultimately finds,
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Speaker 2: because this story does go to a very dark place,
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Speaker 2: but it returns to a very big message of hope
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Speaker 2: that no matter how far gone you think you are,
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Speaker 2: Heaven very special presentation of That Kevin Show today. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us. It is our honor to
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Speaker 2: bring this to you and we hope that it touches
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Speaker 2: a lot of lives and maybe asks some big questions
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Speaker 2: for people. You know, what did Jesus do and why
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Speaker 2: did the thief on the cross become so enamored with it?
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Speaker 2: We're coming right back at this most holy of all seasons.
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Speaker 2: Our thoughts are not only on those who are suffering
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Speaker 2: in our country today, but with the eternal message of
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Speaker 2: forgiveness and hope found in the story of Scripture. We
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Speaker 2: returned to heaven. How I got here?
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Speaker 3: Pain seared through my body as I pressed down on
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Speaker 3: my feet take another gulp of air. It was hard
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Speaker 3: to tell how much time had elapsed since my crucifixion,
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Speaker 3: which had been set for nine am. Since then, the
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Speaker 3: minutes had seemed like ours, but from the position of
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Speaker 3: the sun at that point I guessed it was around
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Speaker 3: ten am. One hour had seemed like an eternity already.
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Speaker 3: It was clear to me that as time passed, I
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Speaker 3: would be less able to lift my weight, and with that,
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Speaker 3: less able to breathe. I was inching toward death on
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Speaker 3: a one way street. Looking at Jesus, I noticed the
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Speaker 3: many wounds up and down his severely beaten body. There
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Speaker 3: were countless deep and open lacerations, around his entire torso,
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Speaker 3: and up and down his legs. Long thorns had been
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Speaker 3: pressed into his brow, as if to crown this bloodied king.
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Speaker 3: If God had a son, it was hard to imagine
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Speaker 3: how he could ever look like this. He saved others,
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Speaker 3: the crowd chanted, but he can't save himself. Who had
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Speaker 3: he saved? What did he save them from? As a child,
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Speaker 3: I had been taught that God is the one who saves.
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Speaker 3: If Jesus was the son of God, saving was clearly
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Speaker 3: something he would do. And yet when the crowd called
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Speaker 3: on him to save himself, he made no response. That's
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Speaker 3: religion for you, I thought. He says he will destroy
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Speaker 3: the temple, but doesn't remove a stone. He claims to
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Speaker 3: be the promised Savior, but can't even save himself. My
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Speaker 3: anger intensified as these thoughts raced through my mind. My
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Speaker 3: mother used to say God is gracious and compassionate, slow
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Speaker 3: to anger, and abounding in love. As far as I
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Speaker 3: was concerned, he was way too slow to anger with
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Speaker 3: the Romans, and not nearly compassionate enough to us. The
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Speaker 3: searing pain shooting through my body seemed to reinforce the
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Speaker 3: point it takes energy to speak when you are in
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Speaker 3: excruciating pain, and up to this point I had not
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Speaker 3: spoken a single word. But somehow these thoughts caused all
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Speaker 3: hell to break loose inside of me, and I poured
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Speaker 3: out the foulest stream of hatred and abuse toward Jesus
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Speaker 3: pure venom. The second victim, whose cross had been planted
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Speaker 3: on the other side of Jesus, joined in, and that
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Speaker 3: got the crowd going again. I wondered if there had
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Speaker 3: ever been a time when so much hatred had been
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Speaker 3: poured out on one man. Looking down, there were a
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Speaker 3: few weeping women and one man who seemed to care
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Speaker 3: about him, but to everyone else he was an object
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Speaker 3: of ridicule. Although I knew little about him, I was
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Speaker 3: glad to join them. I couldn't keep it up, though
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Speaker 3: my body soon sagged exhausted, and as my voice fell silent,
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Speaker 3: I began to wonder why had I aimed my tirade
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Speaker 3: at Jesus. I hated Rome, so why didn't I spend
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Speaker 3: that energy cursing Caesar or Pilot or the Centurion who
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Speaker 3: was standing just a few feet away. A thought came
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Speaker 3: to me, like a shaft of light I had never
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Speaker 3: seen before. Behind every hatred lies a deeper hatred of God.
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Speaker 3: I had never thought of myself as a God hater before,
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Speaker 3: but somehow this thought made sense to me. Long ago,
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Speaker 3: I had come to the sad conclusion that God and
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Speaker 3: his laws were irrelevant to my life, and that the
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Speaker 3: religious establishment was largely useless to the great causes of
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Speaker 3: justice and peace. I had thought of myself as a
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Speaker 3: God skeptic. But in that moment I saw something deeper
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Speaker 3: and darker in my soul. Behind my hatred of Rome
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Speaker 3: lay my hatred of God, the same God who had
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Speaker 3: allowed Rome to stomp all over his people, who had
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Speaker 3: permitted the tax collectors to extort our family, who had
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Speaker 3: made a world in which people die excruciating deaths on
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Speaker 3: I hated God. I hated his son. I was on
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Speaker 2: tells the story of the Thief on the Cross, who,
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Speaker 2: when you think about it, is one of the most
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Speaker 3: Chapter three of Faith eleven fourteen. AM. I don't really
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Speaker 3: know how to explain what happened next. All I can
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Speaker 3: tell you is that a strange stillness came over my soul,
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Speaker 3: and for the first time I began to consider what
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Speaker 3: lay ahead. My life was slipping away, Earth was receding,
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Speaker 3: and eternity was looming large on the horizon. I had
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Speaker 3: not planned on this, and I had not prepared for
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Speaker 3: it either. My mind went back to my childhood and
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Speaker 3: I heard my mother's voice quoting the scriptures. The fear
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Speaker 3: of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. I had
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Speaker 3: always believed in God, of course, now that came with
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Speaker 3: my Jewish blood. But there is a big difference between
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Speaker 3: believing in God and fearing him. People who say they
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Speaker 3: believe in God often give a little or no place
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Speaker 3: to Him in their lives, But fearing God means you
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Speaker 3: give weight to Him and your decisions and your priorities.
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Speaker 3: Pleasing Him becomes your first consideration and your greatest joy.
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Speaker 3: I thought back to my first theft at the temple
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Speaker 3: and realized that the fear of God had been largely
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Speaker 3: absent from my life. Since that time. I had chosen
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Speaker 3: my own path and pursued my own way. I had
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Speaker 3: lived at a distance from God, and now I was
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Speaker 3: dying far from him too. What would lie beyond I
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Speaker 3: didn't know, and over the years I he hadn't cared.
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Speaker 3: But as life was slipping away from me, nothing mattered more.
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Speaker 3: The second victim launched into a tirade of cursing and blasphemy.
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Speaker 3: A short time before, I had joined in with him,
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Speaker 3: curling abuse at Jesus. But now his antagonism toward God
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Speaker 3: seemed to me like the height of folly. I pushed
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Speaker 3: myself up and called out to rebuke him. Don't you
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Speaker 3: fear God? The second victim became quiet, and so I continued,
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Speaker 3: We are punished justly before we are getting what our
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Speaker 3: deeds deserve, I said, but this man has done nothing wrong.
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Speaker 3: My words came as a surprise to me, as they
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Speaker 3: must have to him too. Throughout my life, I always
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Speaker 3: had a defense for everything I did. When I rejected
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Speaker 3: the Temple, it was because the Temple had failed me.
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Speaker 3: When I stole from Rome, it was because Rome had
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Speaker 3: stolen from me. As I saw it, right was on
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Speaker 3: my side. Some one else was always in the wrong.
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Speaker 3: But in the strange calm that came over my soul
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Speaker 3: in those moments, things looked very different. I began to
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Speaker 3: see that my greatest theft lay not in stealing from Rome,
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Speaker 3: but in robbing God. I had thought about this life
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Speaker 3: as mine rather than his, and had given him no
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Speaker 3: place in it. I had measured my life by what
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Speaker 3: satisfied me, and on the basis had considered that my
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Speaker 3: good outweighed my bad. But as my life was slowly
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Speaker 3: bleaning out to a miserable end, and I knew that
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Speaker 3: I was far from good and far from God, I
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Speaker 3: looked again toward Jesus, who, despite the relentless taunting, had
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Speaker 3: remained silent. The crowd was outraged because he claimed to
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Speaker 3: be the Christ. What if he was. They hated him
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Speaker 3: because he said he was the son of God. If
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Speaker 3: that were true, there would be some evidence, and apparently
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Speaker 3: there was. The crowd had said he saved others. I
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Speaker 3: thought about that, if he saved others, was there any
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Speaker 3: chance he could save me? The sign above his head,
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Speaker 3: just a few feet away from me read, this is Jesus,
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Speaker 3: the King of the Jews. If he was a king,
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Speaker 3: he must have a kingdom. But as I watched him
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Speaker 3: moving toward his death, I realized that his kingdom did
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Speaker 3: not belong to this world. It was but they say
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Speaker 3: that as you get closer to death on the cross,
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Speaker 3: your brain struggles for oxygen. You would think that my
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Speaker 3: brain would have been slowing down, and yet he was
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Speaker 3: the exact opposite. My growing fear of God kept driving
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Speaker 3: my thoughts, and the thoughts were becoming clearer and clearer.
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Speaker 3: If Jesus was God in the flesh, he would indeed
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Speaker 3: be the Christ. If he was the Christ, he would
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Speaker 3: be in the business of saving people. And if he
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Speaker 3: saved people, he could bring them into his kingdom. Within
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Speaker 3: a few hours, Jesus would be leaving this world, and
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Speaker 3: so would I. His kingdom would be on the other
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Speaker 3: side of death. Perhaps he could do something to help me. Jesus,
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Speaker 3: I said, remember me when you come into your kingdom.
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Speaker 3: There might be some hope for me. But what would
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Speaker 3: be in it for him? I couldn't think of anything.
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Speaker 3: If he took an interest in me, it would not
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Speaker 3: be because of anything I had done or anything I
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Speaker 3: could offer. If he remembered me at all, it would
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Speaker 3: be an act of undeserved mercy and kindness. But that
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Speaker 3: was exactly what he offered to the soldiers who crucified him.
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Speaker 3: He showed them mercy and kindness. Would he do the
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Speaker 3: same for me? Asking him to remember me was deceptively simple.
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Speaker 3: I began to fear God. I recognized my sinful condition.
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Speaker 3: I believed that Jesus was who he said he was,
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Speaker 3: the Christ, the Messiah, and I asked him to save me.
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Speaker 3: That is something thing you can do too. In doing this,
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Speaker 3: I gave up all the hostility in my heart, and
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Speaker 3: I abandoned my illusion of having a life that would
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Speaker 3: somehow be impressive to God. I placed my life as
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Speaker 3: it was, with all I had done, into the hands
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Speaker 3: of Jesus, my hands outstretched to his hands outstretched I
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Speaker 3: believed in him as the Christ, the Son of God,
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Speaker 3: the Savior, and the King, and left the rest up
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Speaker 3: to him. Clinging to life by a slender thread. I
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Speaker 3: gasped for breath, then waited for him to respond.
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Speaker 2: Friends, the good news is that he will respond. I'm
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Speaker 5: I'm Kevin Mcalla, Chapter four of Hope, eleven fifteen AM.
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Speaker 3: My request had been simple, Jesus, remember me when you
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Speaker 3: come into your kingdom. His answer was simpler still, Amen,
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Speaker 3: There was no mistaking his enthusiasm. Joy filled his eyes
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Speaker 3: as he looked at me. It was as if he
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Speaker 3: had been waiting for me to ask, as if his
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Speaker 3: answer to my request was bound up with why he
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Speaker 3: was there. It fell to me as if his arms,
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Speaker 3: which were pinned to the cross, were reaching out to
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Speaker 3: me with the same love and forgiveness that he had
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Speaker 3: offered to the guards. Amen. Yes, I'm with you. Your
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Speaker 3: prayer is mine. It will be done. Death does not
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Speaker 3: lead to a long period of unconsciousness, nor does it
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Speaker 3: lead to a long process of being prepared for the
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Speaker 3: friends of Jesus. Death is an immediate translation into the
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Speaker 3: joys of life at the right hand of God. My
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Speaker 3: story is unusual, to say the least, but it teaches
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Speaker 3: something that everyone needs to know. Entrance into heaven does
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Speaker 3: not depend on your performance in the Christ. Think about
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Speaker 3: what happened to me. I trusted Christ and went to
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Speaker 3: heaven on the same day. How could that possibly be true?
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Speaker 3: I went to heaven without ever living the Christian life.
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Speaker 3: I didn't have the opportunity. With my hands fix on
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Speaker 3: the cross, I was in no position to do good works.
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Speaker 3: With my feet nailed to a wooden beam, I could
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Speaker 3: hardly walk in paths of righteousness. And with death only
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Speaker 3: hours away, there was no time for me to turn
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Speaker 3: over a new leaf and live a better life. You
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Speaker 3: too need to know this. The good news is that
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Speaker 3: salvation does not depend on your work for Christ, but
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Speaker 3: on Christ's work for you. Your work for Him is
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Speaker 3: never done that you can take it from me that
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Speaker 1: If you can.
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Speaker 2: Not to give too much away, but I think the
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Speaker 2: How I Got Here? The story the ubiquitous story of
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Speaker 2: This is the second part of Heaven, How I Got Here?
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Speaker 2: The presentation of the story the Thief Across, an ubiquitous
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Speaker 2: character from scripture whose name and very circumstance draws into
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Speaker 2: relevance the claims of Christ and the Christian faith. If
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Speaker 2: someone liked the Thief on the Cross can find heaven,
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Speaker 2: who can't. He never went to a Bible study, he
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Speaker 2: never understood the sacraments of the Church, and yet Jesus
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Speaker 2: promised he would join him in Paradise. We pick up
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Speaker 2: called Love.
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Speaker 3: The bright sun dazzled my eyes. So I looked down
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Speaker 3: to the small group of friends standing in front of Jesus.
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Speaker 3: One of them was called Mary, and it became clear
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Speaker 3: to me that she was Jesus' mother. There was a
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Speaker 3: radiant beauty about Mary. She wept and watched and waited.
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Speaker 3: Surrounded by hatred, she exuded love. It seemed to me
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Speaker 3: that Jesus Christ was more hated and more loved than
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Speaker 3: any other person I had known. I thought about my
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Speaker 3: own mother and was glad that she was not there.
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Speaker 3: I had already broken her heart with the choices of
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Speaker 3: my life, the choices that led to years of estrangement.
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Speaker 3: On top of all of that, if she had to
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Speaker 3: endure seeing me on a cross, I think the pain
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Speaker 3: would have been unbearable for her. But Mary, the mother
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Speaker 3: of Jesus, was there. I tried to imagine what it
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Speaker 3: was like for her to watch her son suffer. I
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Speaker 3: had come to trust him in the last hour, but
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Speaker 3: she had loved him from the day of his birth.
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Speaker 3: Now the brow she had kissed as she put him
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Speaker 3: to bed was crowned with thorns, and the hands she
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Speaker 3: had held as she taught him to walk were pierced
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Speaker 3: with nails. I looked at her and felt compassion. It
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Speaker 3: was a strange sensation for a heart that was more
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Speaker 3: familiar with hate than would love over the years, I
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Speaker 3: had hardened myself. My lifestyle demanded it. Grit and steel
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Speaker 3: were my familiar friends. Compassion was far from me, but
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Speaker 3: now enveloped in pain, I felt compassion for a woman
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Speaker 3: I did not even know. Something good was happening in
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Speaker 3: my heart, and I knew that it was happening because
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Speaker 3: of Jesus. Love had been a stranger to me. My
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Speaker 3: mother had loved me in her own disciplined way, but
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Speaker 3: I had long since broken away from family. From the crowd,
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Speaker 3: I ran with loyalty on the basis of self interest
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Speaker 3: was the standard substitute for love. Think about the love
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Speaker 3: that you have experienced. Love usually comes with a reason.
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Speaker 3: Your mother loves you because you're her child. Your spouse
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Speaker 3: loves you because he or she is drawn to something
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Speaker 3: in you. Your friends love you because they enjoy your company.
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Speaker 3: But Christ loved me without a reason. He cared for
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Speaker 3: me without cause. His love is its own explanation. Christ
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Speaker 3: loves you for no other reason than that he loves
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Speaker 3: you for thirty three years. Jesus had been Mary's son,
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Speaker 3: but he was and is the so of God. He
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Speaker 3: took on human flesh from his mother so that he
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Speaker 3: could become our savior. But as he hung on the cross,
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Speaker 3: with the blood draining from his body and the life
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Speaker 3: of his flesh ebbing away, the relationship between Jesus and
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Speaker 3: Mary was changing. Mary stood at the foot of the cross,
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Speaker 3: crying out, my son, my son, my son. But Jesus
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Speaker 3: was saying, you must no longer think of me as
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Speaker 3: your son. From now on, John is to take that
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Speaker 3: place in your life. Regard him as your son. So
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Speaker 3: how then was Mary to regard Jesus as her savior
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Speaker 3: and as her lord. When the angel told Mary about
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Speaker 3: the son she would bear, Mary said, my spirit rejoices
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Speaker 3: in God, my savior, looked to God as her savior,
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Speaker 3: and this is how God saved her. Jesus, God's son,
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Speaker 3: went to the cross and laid down the life he
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Speaker 3: had drawn from Mary. His body was broken, his blood
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Speaker 3: became her savior. Mary lost an irreplaceable son, and she
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Speaker 3: gained an incomparable savior. Her gain was far greater than
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Speaker 3: her loss. You already know about the hate that was
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Speaker 3: in my heart, the blasphemy I spoke against Jesus, and
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Speaker 3: the crimes I committed against my fellow man I was
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Speaker 3: the bottom of the pile, the worst of sinners. But
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Speaker 3: Christ became my savior, and because of him I am
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Speaker 3: in heaven today. Mary was at the other end of
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Speaker 3: the moral spectrum. I can't imagine a more godly woman
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Speaker 3: than Mary. She was patient, kind, good and true, a
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Speaker 3: woman of virtue, blessed by God and a blessing to others.
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Speaker 3: And Mary is in heaven today not because Jesus was
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Speaker 3: her son, but because he is her savior. If she
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Speaker 3: looked to Christ to save her, every person who has
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Speaker 3: sought to live a good life must do the same.
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Speaker 3: Here's the amazing thing that I still can't get over.
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Speaker 3: I had lived a life that was as bad as
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Speaker 3: they come. Mary lived a life that was as good
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Speaker 3: as they come. Yet both of us entered into Heaven
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Speaker 3: precisely the same way, through faith in Jesus. In the
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Speaker 3: words he spoke to me, me and then to marry. Jesus
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Speaker 3: embraced the worst and the best of humanity and reconciled
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Speaker 3: us both to his Father. So wherever you are on
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Speaker 3: the moral spectrum, Jesus Christ is the savior for you.
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Speaker 3: Two misconceptions keep many people out of heaven. One is
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Speaker 3: that they are too bad to come to Christ, and
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Speaker 3: the other is that they are too good to need him.
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Speaker 3: You may be as wretched as me, as righteous as Mary,
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Speaker 3: or somewhere in between. Wherever you are, don't let the
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Speaker 3: bad or the good you've done keep you from embracing
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Speaker 3: Christ as your savior. In these last hours on the cross.
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Speaker 3: The steely eyed hatred that filled my heart when the
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Speaker 3: day began melted like snow on a warm afternoon. Knew
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Speaker 3: something had changed inside of me. I knew that Jesus
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Speaker 3: had made me different person. The heart that had been
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Speaker 3: been hostile to Jesus and out trusted and believed in him.
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Speaker 3: The will that had been hell bent on pursuing my
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Speaker 3: I never experienced anything like this before, that of religion
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Speaker 3: is that when Christ's word went into me, my heart changed,
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Speaker 3: and I believed. I now understand why Jesus spoke of
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Speaker 3: this interchange as being born again. I was changed from
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Speaker 1: I held.
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Speaker 6: You could be things, you could be maybe big celebrations
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Speaker 6: even for Sunday underway. But tonight, as we hear the
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Speaker 6: in this next in this next chapter, what we see
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Heaven. How I got here? The story
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Speaker 2: of the Thief on the Cross. I'm Kevin McCullough. You're
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Speaker 2: used to hearing something slightly different right now, but it's
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Speaker 2: my pleasure to present to you this presentation which we
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Speaker 2: produced and I was honored enough to be able to
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Speaker 2: direct it. Five years ago. It seems impossible that it's
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Speaker 2: been that long. It's a story of humanity. It's a
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Speaker 2: story of someone who thought they were never good enough
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Speaker 2: for God, but God loved them just the same.
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Speaker 3: Chapter six Darkness Noon. What in the world just happened?
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Speaker 3: Did I black out?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 3: One minute the sun glared down on us, and the
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Speaker 3: next we were plunged into complete darkness. Not slowly like
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Speaker 3: on a stormy day, but instantly complete darkness. We went
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Speaker 3: from midday to midnight in a moment. It was the
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Speaker 3: scariest thing I've ever experienced. First thought was God's judgment
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Speaker 3: must be falling on the soldiers who had struck and
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Speaker 3: nailed Jesus, or maybe on the people who had mocked him,
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Speaker 3: or on the leaders who had condemned him. But that
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Speaker 3: didn't happen. All of them slept in their beds that
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Speaker 3: night and woke to continue their lives the following day.
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Speaker 3: The judgment of God was falling on someone else that day,
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Speaker 3: and now I know who it was, Jesus, the son
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Speaker 3: of God, who was about to die. Jesus himself was
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Speaker 3: coming under the judgment of God. The crowd had been
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Speaker 3: quite sure that they were on God's side, and that
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Speaker 3: he would affirm their condemnation of Jesus as they were right.
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Speaker 3: Trusting Jesus would turn out to be the greatest mistake
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Speaker 3: of my life. My head spun with questions about what
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Speaker 3: just a few hours earlier I had come to believe.
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Speaker 3: Then Jesus' agonizing cry broke right through all of my questions.
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Speaker 3: My God, My God, why have you forsaken me? I
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Speaker 3: felt a gut wrenching anguish as these words echoed through
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Speaker 3: the ear a darkness. Had God abandoned Jesus? This terrified me.
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Speaker 3: I had put my trust in Jesus, and he had
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Speaker 3: promised paradise to me. But if God had forsaken him,
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Speaker 3: what hope was there for me? My new faith was
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Speaker 3: being stretched to the limit. When doubts crowd in and
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Speaker 3: you find yourself in darkness, go back to what you
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Speaker 3: know about Jesus. That's what I did, and it got
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Speaker 3: me through. I didn't know much about Jesus, but it
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Speaker 3: was clear to me that his suffering was a travesty
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Speaker 3: of justice. That was why I said to the other thief,
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Speaker 3: we are receiving our due reward, but Jesus has done
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Speaker 3: nothing wrong. I rehearsed this truth to myself. This man
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Speaker 3: has done nothing wrong. Why would a man who had
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Speaker 3: done nothing wrong find himself under the judgment of God?
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Speaker 3: Why would a man who had done nothing wrong be
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Speaker 3: crucified on a cross the most hideous method of death
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Speaker 3: ever devised. I now know the answer, and the more
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Speaker 3: I think about it, the more astonishing I find it
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Speaker 3: to be. Jesus suffered the judgment that was due to me.
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Speaker 3: The crowd was sure that Jesus was under God's curse,
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Speaker 3: and in a sense they were right. He was under
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Speaker 3: God's curse, but the curse did not fall on him
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Speaker 3: for his own sins he had none. He came under
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Speaker 3: the curse for the sins of others. He endured my
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Speaker 3: judgment so that I could enter into his reward. Even
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Speaker 3: here in Heaven, I still can't get over this. My
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Speaker 3: sin was laid on Jesus. The guilt of my theft,
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Speaker 3: my blasphemy, and my godless, selfish life was lifted from
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Speaker 3: my shoulders and transferred onto him. He bore my sins
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Speaker 3: they were laid on him. More than that, he took
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Speaker 3: all the sins of every person who would trust in him.
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Speaker 3: He carried their guilt and judgment in full. The cumulative
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Speaker 3: weight of this is unimagined. But to me, only Christ
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Speaker 3: could have borne it, and this was the reason why
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Speaker 3: he was pierced and crushed. It was for sinners like
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Speaker 3: you and me. Without Jesus, I would have carried my
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Speaker 3: sins into my death and emerged on the other side
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Speaker 3: to face the Almighty. All that I had endured at
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Speaker 3: the hands of men would only have been a prelude
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Speaker 3: to what I would have suffered at the hand of God.
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Speaker 3: But Jesus carried my sins into his death so that
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Speaker 3: I should not carry them into mine. I suffered the
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Speaker 3: judgment of men, but through Christ and all that he
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Speaker 3: endured in the darkness, I was saved from the judgment
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Speaker 3: of God. That's why I'm in heaven today. Some say
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Speaker 3: I trusted Christ at the last moment, But the way
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Speaker 3: I look at it, I trusted Christ at my first opportunity,
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Speaker 3: and that's what you should do. Trust him.
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Speaker 2: Now, perhaps you have questions about how that is done.
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Speaker 2: The friends who put this together at Openthebible dot org
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Speaker 2: and open the Bible Ministry with Colin S. Smith, the
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Speaker 2: author of the book that this is entirely based upon,
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Speaker 2: are ready to answer your questions. Just go today Openthbible
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Speaker 2: dot org. Open the Bible dot org. All right, Kevin McCullough,
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Speaker 2: glad to have you with us. And if you are
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Speaker 2: in a different situation, a situation in which you would
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Speaker 2: like to share this story with someone who may need
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Speaker 2: to make this decision. This is available via a film
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Speaker 2: presentation of a one man play. It was produced by
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Speaker 2: Open the Bible. As this radio special was a number
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Speaker 2: of years ago, but it has literally been translated into
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Speaker 2: I think thirty different languages, and over the course of
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Speaker 2: this weekend, we hope to see more than one million
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Speaker 2: people hear the story of the Thief on the Cross
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Speaker 2: and perhaps have their hearts opened, perhaps have their eyes opened,
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Speaker 2: and their lives changed, because they discover, similarly to the thief,
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Speaker 2: that no one is beyond God's reach. So, friend, if
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Speaker 2: We will send you the full length film a link
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Speaker 2: to it, and we will send you the study questions
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Speaker 2: that you can use. We're not asking you to be
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Speaker 2: a theologian or a Bible expert in any way. But
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Speaker 2: if you can guide a few questions and answer a
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Speaker 2: few of them, we are more than happy to supply
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Speaker 2: the tools that you need to make this a part
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Speaker 2: of your Holy Week celebration this year. And who knows,
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Speaker 2: maybe someone you have been praying for for years, maybe
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Speaker 2: someone that you had, like many people in the thief's life,
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Speaker 2: probably did just given up on whether or not he
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Speaker 2: would ever come to be of anything of spiritual value.
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Speaker 2: And what he is discovering through the real life interaction
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Speaker 2: with Jesus himself is that Jesus grace and love are
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Speaker 2: never too far away, no matter what you've done, no
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Speaker 2: matter where you've been. There was nothing good that that
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Speaker 2: thief could do, and yet Jesus brought him to heaven
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Speaker 2: with him, assuring him that he would be with him
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Speaker 2: that day in Paradise. We have more of the thief
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Speaker 2: on the cross yet to go. Stay with us. Hi,
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Speaker 2: Kevin McCollough, Welcome back. In this day and age, we
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Speaker 2: don't seriously question whether or not people suffer from time
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Speaker 2: to time. We've seen pandemics wreck the world over, but
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Speaker 2: have we seen or sensed or experienced agony? True heart
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Speaker 2: wrenching agony, of the separation of a child from a parent,
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Speaker 2: of taking pain that the world has all onto one person.
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Speaker 2: That's the story of this chapter from Heaven. How I
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Speaker 2: got here.
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Speaker 3: Chapter seven, Agony, two fifty nine PM. Pain shot through
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Speaker 3: the nerves of my body as much after I trusted
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Speaker 3: in Jesus as it did before. With every hour that passed,
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Speaker 3: my pain increased, as the wounds from the nails and
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Speaker 3: my hands and my feet widened under the weight of
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Speaker 3: my body. Fever raged dehydration followed. My whole body was
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Speaker 3: burning up. It was the same for Jesus, and that
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Speaker 3: is why he cried out I thirst. Despite their barbarity,
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Speaker 3: the Roman soldiers sometimes offered a mild sedative to their
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Speaker 3: victims before crucifixion. Earlier in the morning. They had done
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Speaker 3: this for Jesus, offering him wine mixed with gall Jesus
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Speaker 3: refused the sedative. Any compassionate person would say to him,
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Speaker 3: drink take the sedative, doll your senses to the horrors
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Speaker 3: you're about to endure. But he did not take it.
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Speaker 3: Why At the time I despised him for this and
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Speaker 3: counted him a fool. But when I asked him to
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Speaker 3: remember me. I was so glad that his senses were
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Speaker 3: not dulled, drugged, or drowsy. Christ was fully conscious, and
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Speaker 3: that meant he was ready and able to save me,
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Speaker 3: to pray for his enemies, and reach out in love
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Speaker 3: to his mother. Becoming a man meant that Jesus's body
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Speaker 3: had a central nervous system, just like yours and mine.
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Speaker 3: So the physical agony of crucifixion was the same for
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Speaker 3: Jesus as it was for me. But there was more
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Speaker 3: to his pain. The physical agony what Jesus endured went
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Speaker 3: far beyond what I experienced that day. From the deepest darkness,
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Speaker 3: Jesus cried out in a loud voice, My God, My God,
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Speaker 3: why have you forsaken me? Nothing that I had endured
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Speaker 3: came close to what it meant for him to be
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Speaker 3: forsaken by his father. And there's more. Jesus experienced Hell
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Speaker 3: on the cross. Some people think that hell is a myth,
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Speaker 3: but I tell you that Hell is as realistic cross,
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Speaker 3: and it's more than just a way of describing something
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Speaker 3: really bad. Much more. Hell has six dimensions, and Jesus
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Speaker 3: experienced all of them on the cross. He was in
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Speaker 3: conscious suffering, he was in blackest darkness. He was surrounded
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Speaker 3: by demonic powers. He was bearing sin, he was under judgment,
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Speaker 3: He was separated from the knowledge of the love of
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Speaker 3: God that is hell. I endured the pains of crucifixion,
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Speaker 3: but I did not experience the agonies of hell. Jesus
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Speaker 3: endured them.
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Speaker 4: For me.
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Speaker 3: Never have to know what they are like. The more
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Speaker 3: I think about this, the more staggering it gets. Seeing
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Speaker 3: what Jesus suffered and hearing him cry out in agony
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Speaker 3: had a profound effect on me. From childhood, I had
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Speaker 3: been told that God's law was given to show us
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Speaker 3: our sins. That's true, But I have to tell you
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Speaker 3: that the clearest view I ever got of the ugliness
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Speaker 3: of my sin was not in reading the Ten Commandments,
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Speaker 3: but in being near to Jesus in that awful darkness
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Speaker 3: on the cross. I began to see that if my
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Speaker 3: sins caused him so much suffering, they must be very great. Indeed,
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Speaker 3: I learned to hate my sins of the cross. My
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Speaker 3: greatest desire was to be done with any and every
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Speaker 3: sin that had ever gained a foothold in my life.
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Speaker 3: I found myself longing to be holy, to be filled
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Speaker 3: with the love that I had seen in Jesus' eyes
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Speaker 3: and to live a life that would please him. I
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Speaker 3: only had a few hours left for that. I hope
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Speaker 3: you have much longer.
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Speaker 2: And if you have questions, the people at Unlocking the
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Speaker 2: Bible dot Com are standing by to answer, to be
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Speaker 2: candid with you. Friend. It's one of the most important
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Speaker 2: reasons why we put this radio special on this time
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Speaker 2: of year. People are leaning in a little bit to
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Speaker 2: the biblical narrative. What happened in these days? What was
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Speaker 2: it all about? Why was there a trial? Why did
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Speaker 2: a pilot make the decision he made? Why did Jesus
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Speaker 2: be convicted if he did nothing wrong? What you find
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Speaker 2: in digging through the deeper layers of this story is
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Speaker 2: that despite all the injustice and all the agony and
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Speaker 2: all the pain, that the very heart and core of
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Speaker 2: what this is is about allowing you a chance to
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Speaker 2: know the God who made you in the most intimate
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Speaker 2: and personal of relationships, that he sent his son to
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Speaker 2: pay the price that you owe so that you could
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Speaker 2: know him. We'll be right back with more Heaven. How
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Speaker 2: I Got Here? Hi, Kevin mccallaugh. Welcome back to Heaven.
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Speaker 2: How I Got Here? Authored by Colin s. Smith and
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Speaker 2: presented by Stephen Baldwin as Actor.
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Speaker 3: Chapter eight, Triumph, three PM. His voice pierced the silence
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Speaker 3: like the blast of a trumpet. It is finished, Father,
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Speaker 3: Into your hands, I commit my spirit. No one ever
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Speaker 3: died like this. Have you ever heard of someone whose
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Speaker 3: last words were spoken with a loud voice. When a
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Speaker 3: man dies, his voice becomes weaker than weaker, until it
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Speaker 3: is no more than a whisper, and then he is gone.
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Speaker 3: Nobody shouts at the moment of his own death, But
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Speaker 3: Jesus did. Christ entered into death not in defeat, but
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Speaker 3: in triumph. He was in complete control. He accomplished everything
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Speaker 3: he had come to do, and gave himself into death.
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Speaker 3: And then all hell brokeness. The earth beneath me shook,
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Speaker 3: causing the beam on which I was suspended to lurch violently.
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Speaker 3: The shock was agonizing. The crowd, whose jeering had been
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Speaker 3: quieted by the darkness, now erupted in panic and confusion.
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Speaker 3: People screamed as the tremors ripped through the city. Cracks
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Speaker 3: began to open in the ground. Was this the end?
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Speaker 3: I knew my time had almost run out, but had
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Speaker 3: humanity's time run out too? We had just crucified God's son,
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Speaker 3: God's justice had to fall. I closed my eyes and
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Speaker 3: I held my breath, bracing myself against whatever came next.
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Speaker 3: The commander, who was responsible for overseeing our executions, looked
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Speaker 3: up at Jesus's lifeless body and said, surely this was
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Speaker 3: the son of God. The soldiers, who a few hours
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Speaker 3: before had cast lots for Jesus's robe, now looked at
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Speaker 3: each other in fear and terror. What have we done
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Speaker 3: for me? There was a strange comfort. The man who
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Speaker 3: had carried out my execution now shared my faith. In
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Speaker 3: those surreal moments after the quake, the crowd dispersed into
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Speaker 3: the shadows. They were frightened, They were confused what had
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Speaker 3: just happened? Then, as suddenly as the darkness had descended
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Speaker 3: on us hours before, it lifted, the lifeless body of
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Speaker 3: Jesus hung in silence a few feet away from me,
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Speaker 3: and having staked everything on him, I now felt completely alone.
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Speaker 3: Right before Jesus died, he said, it is finished. When
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Speaker 3: was I ever able to say that? My life was
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Speaker 3: a tangle of flue sands, nothing was complete. My mother
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Speaker 3: poured all her energy into the pursuit of a godly life,
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Speaker 3: but For all of her relentless effort, the feeling of
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Speaker 3: incompleteness haunted her. She found it hard to rest because
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Speaker 3: she always felt there was more to do, more that
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Speaker 3: was required. Nothing was ever enough. She was right in
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Speaker 3: saying that there is no rest for the wicked. I
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Speaker 3: knew that to be true. But as far as I
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Speaker 3: could see, there isn't much rest for people who try
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Speaker 3: to be righteous either. It is finished. Now, There's something
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Speaker 3: that neither I nor my mother could ever have said,
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Speaker 3: but Jesus said it with a shout of triumph. Time
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Speaker 3: seemed to stretch on forever. Then suddenly there was movement.
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Speaker 3: Some one had come out from the city. The soldiers
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Speaker 3: immediately stood at attention. New instructions were given. Killed the criminals,
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Speaker 3: bury the bodies, take down the crosses. So the soldiers
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Speaker 3: turned and walked purposefully toward me, armed with their clubs.
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Speaker 3: For one swing to the head with one of those
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Speaker 3: would kill a man. And if there was any interest
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Speaker 3: in believing my pain, they could have ended my life
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Speaker 3: in an instant. But that was not what they had
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Speaker 3: in mind. My legs were their target. I screamed out
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Speaker 3: as the first blow slammed into my knees. Then the second,
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Speaker 3: and then the third. My body sad suspended but no
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Speaker 3: longer supported. Unbearable pain seared through my aching hands. Without
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Speaker 3: the support of my legs, I no longer had the
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Speaker 3: strength to lift my body and to breathe on me.
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Speaker 3: A few minutes longer, they moved to the victim on
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Speaker 3: the other side of Jesus and broke his legs too.
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Speaker 3: Now this one, said one of the soldiers as they
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Speaker 3: came to Jesus, he's already dead. To make sure, we
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Speaker 3: don't want any doubt, the soldier pulled back with his
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Speaker 3: spear and with full force, brammed it into the side
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Speaker 3: of Jesus's body, ripping it open with a huge gash,
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Speaker 3: from which his blood spilled out onto the ground. That
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Speaker 3: was the last thing I saw on Earth. I sometimes
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Speaker 3: wondered what the journey of my soul leaving my body
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Speaker 3: would be like. Being launched out like a shivering ghost,
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Speaker 3: lost and alone in the unknown, vastness of space, I
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Speaker 3: thought was terrifying me, But the reality was very different.
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Speaker 3: It felt for me like moving through a tunnel at
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Speaker 3: lightning speed. The release was sweet. After hours of pain.
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Speaker 3: I closed my eyes and was set free. When the
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Speaker 3: moment came, I knew I was not alone. I was accompanied,
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Speaker 3: I was carried, I was taken up, and I was
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Speaker 3: welcomed by Jesus himself. Death is a dark place that
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Speaker 3: Jesus had already been through it, and he had made
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Speaker 3: it a safe place for me, and watching now from
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Speaker 3: the other side, I've seen millions of people come through
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Speaker 3: safely because of him.
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Speaker 2: The final thoughts from the Thief on the Cross when
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Speaker 2: we conclude in a moment and welcome back to the
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Speaker 2: final segment of Heaven. How I got here the story
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Speaker 2: of the Thief on the Cross. I'm Cavin mcchella. If
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Speaker 2: you have any question about what you've heard. Unlocking the
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Speaker 2: Bible dot org.
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Speaker 3: Nine Safety five thirty eight pm. The lifeless body of
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Speaker 3: Jesus was still hanging on the cross beside me. Beyond him,
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Speaker 3: the other victim had exhausted himself, and those still breathing
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Speaker 3: had become largely silent. Where had Jesus gone. He told
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Speaker 3: me today, you will be with me in Paradise. Today
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Speaker 3: meant before sundown. And he said with me, so he
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Speaker 3: would be there too. I believed him, so there was
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Speaker 3: no doubt in my mind that Jesus was in heaven already,
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Speaker 3: He had gone there ahead of me. When Jesus died,
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Speaker 3: he said, Father, into your hands, I commit my spirit.
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Speaker 3: He had no doubt about where he was going. His
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Speaker 3: body remained on the cross until it was taken down
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Speaker 3: and laid in the tomb, but his spirit went immediately
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Speaker 3: into the presence of his father in heaven. At the
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Speaker 3: moment of his death, Jesus was translated from the agony
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Speaker 3: of suffering in the body to the conscious enjoyment of
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Speaker 3: life in heaven, and he had promised the same to me.
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Speaker 3: It felt as if that my sins would overwhelm me
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Speaker 3: and damn me forever. All I could do was trust
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Speaker 3: the promise of Jesus. Today you will be in paradise.
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Speaker 3: He had given his word, and I found hope in
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Speaker 3: believing that his commitment to bring me into Heaven would
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Speaker 3: be stronger than everything that would conspire to keep me out.
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Speaker 3: Trusting in Jesus begins with a decision, a commitment, and
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Speaker 3: a prayer. But it's more than that, trusting Jesus as
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Speaker 3: a way of life. Looking back, I see that I
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Speaker 3: wasted my years on earth. I lived for myself. I
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Speaker 3: failed to love God. But that changed when I met
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Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, a king capture to my mind. His love
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Speaker 3: and care for me laid hold of my heart. If
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Speaker 3: I had been given a longer life on earth, I
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Speaker 3: would have lived it for him. No question, that gift
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Speaker 3: was not given to me, but right now it is
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Speaker 3: being given to you. So please cherish every day you
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Speaker 3: have and live in a way that honors your Lord
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Speaker 3: and savior, Jesus Christ. And Jesus gives all of us
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Speaker 3: who trust him a whole new purpose and desire. It's
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Speaker 3: not so much that you are living for something. You
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Speaker 3: are living for someone, the one who loved you and
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Speaker 3: gave himself for you, the one that you are going
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Speaker 3: to share the unending choice of heaven with, the one
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Speaker 3: who one day who welcome you into heaven, Jesus Christ,
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Speaker 3: the Son of God.
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Speaker 2: This has been a production of Unlocking the Bible, and
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Speaker 2: you can get questions answered at Unlockingthebible dot org. I'm
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Speaker 2: Calvin McCullough. Thank you for spending this time with us,
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Speaker 2: and we pray it's added something meaningful to your experience
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Speaker 2: this Holy Week season.
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Speaker 4: Jesus, Oh thou mine.
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Speaker 1: For all of SENI resign.
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Speaker 4: My gracious Street team my Savior. If eever loved my Jesus,
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Speaker 4: tis now I love you because
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Speaker 1: Have first loved me for diusness