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- 0:18Speaker 1: What do you think about grocery prices these days?
- 0:20Speaker 2: So high.
- 0:21Speaker 1: We're approaching strangers for a reason. Thank you, I appreciate it.
- 0:25Speaker 1: Because before you can understand what's driving food prices up,
- 0:29Speaker 1: you have to talk to the people paying them. Everything
- 0:32Speaker 1: is so high, they're insane. Most shoppers seem to be
- 0:35Speaker 1: asking the same question. How did food get so expensive?
- 0:39Speaker 3: My monthly grocery bill is starting to look more like
- 0:41Speaker 3: my monthly mortgage.
- 0:43Speaker 1: Every shopping cart tells a story. What are you shopping for?
- 0:48Speaker 4: For my wife and myself.
- 0:49Speaker 1: What people can afford, what they can't. So we're uncovering
- 0:53Speaker 1: how far Canadians are going to fight soaring grocery prices.
- 0:57Speaker 1: From savvy strategies to desperate measures. But talk, as they say,
- 1:03Speaker 1: is cheap. So we're putting money where your mouth is.
- 1:07Speaker 1: We're going to give you $ 100 and we want to
- 1:09Speaker 1: see how much of your weekly grocery that will actually cover.
- 1:12Speaker 5: Okay.
- 1:13Speaker 4: Let's show them.
- 1:14Speaker 6: Okay, let's go.
- 1:14Speaker 1: We're calling it the $ 100 challenge. What does that kind
- 1:18Speaker 1: of cash get you? At discount brands of the big
- 1:21Speaker 1: three grocers. For Loblaw, it's no frills. For Metro, food basics.
- 1:27Speaker 1: And for Sobeys, it's Freshco. Six families, six grocery lists,
- 1:32Speaker 1: six locations. First up, personal trainer Alex Martin, shopping for
- 1:39Speaker 1: his wife and two sons.
- 1:41Speaker 3: I got the good stuff. If I have to cut
- 1:43Speaker 3: back in other areas to eat better quality food, that's
- 1:47Speaker 3: something that I'm going to prioritize for me and my family.
- 1:50Speaker 1: So will $ 100 be enough?
- 1:53Speaker 3: It's a good price. Got lucky. The kids like the
- 1:57Speaker 3: Cosmic Crisp. These are the best ones, but the most
- 1:59Speaker 3: expensive ones.
- 2:01Speaker 1: The only apples his kids will eat. With the exception
- 2:04Speaker 1: of a few kids' snacks, Alex prioritizes healthier, everyday staples.
- 2:10Speaker 3: This is for the protein smoothies that I make in
- 2:12Speaker 3: the morning.
- 2:13Speaker 1: But what will those choices cost?
- 2:21Speaker 6: Here we.
- 2:23Speaker 5: Go.
- 2:24Speaker 6: Okay, what's the total?
- 2:27Speaker 3: The damage, we got $ 175.
- 2:33Speaker 1: The big ticket item, a pack of chicken breast, $ 22. 91.
- 2:40Speaker 1: With tax, $ 175.
- 2:43Speaker 7: 11.
- 2:44Speaker 1: 75 over. Alex isn't surprised.
- 2:48Speaker 3: No, not the way I eat.
- 2:50Speaker 1: And what do you mean by that?
- 2:51Speaker 3: Well, like I said, we prioritize whole foods.
- 2:55Speaker 1: And check out the cost of chicken breast. At its
- 2:58Speaker 1: peak this year, it was 8.8% higher compared to the
- 3:00Speaker 1: year before. We share our results with economist Jim Stanford
- 3:07Speaker 1: and Professor Mike von Masso of the University of Guelph.
- 3:10Speaker 8: Demand for chicken went up because price of all proteins
- 3:13Speaker 8: went up and chicken is a cheaper option. Then you
- 3:16Speaker 8: also had the supply issue relative to chicks. So demand
- 3:21Speaker 8: went up, supply went down, and that's all been compounded
- 3:23Speaker 8: by the fat around protein. Everyone's saying, I need to
- 3:26Speaker 8: eat more protein.
- 3:28Speaker 1: Other price hikes from Alex's shopping list, frozen fruit was
- 3:33Speaker 1: up 8.5% year over year, and bananas were up 11.5%.
- 3:39Speaker 1: What's causing that price increase?
- 3:40Speaker 9: There's a new banana fungus that's affecting crops in several
- 3:43Speaker 9: of the different supply countries, so that combined again with
- 3:46Speaker 9: high diesel prices from the war in Iran and the
- 3:49Speaker 9: cost of shipping, that explains the increase.
- 3:53Speaker 1: So you wrote to us and you said families are
- 3:55Speaker 1: really feeling the pressure. How much pressure are you guys feeling?
- 4:00Speaker 3: We definitely notice it when you're paying more for your gas,
- 4:04Speaker 3: you're paying more in property tax, you're paying more for
- 4:08Speaker 3: kids activities. It just definitely starts to add up in
- 4:12Speaker 3: all facets of your life.
- 4:13Speaker 10: Oh, it's like ridiculously high. I can't believe it.
- 4:17Speaker 1: Next up, Connie Tong. She knows what it's like to
- 4:20Speaker 1: struggle while growing up and again when her husband was
- 4:23Speaker 1: laid off.
- 4:25Speaker 10: At one point we were deciding whether or not we
- 4:27Speaker 10: should choose a roof over our head or putting food
- 4:31Speaker 10: on the table.
- 4:33Speaker 1: Now on maternity leave with a reduced income, higher grocery
- 4:37Speaker 1: prices are pushing her family to the limit.
- 4:41Speaker 10: We now have to rely on my husband's income. And
- 4:45Speaker 10: that could be quite stressful as well on him.
- 4:48Speaker 1: A tight budget means tough choices.
- 4:50Speaker 10: Something like beef, which we used to eat often, now
- 4:55Speaker 10: the price of beef has risen so much that it
- 4:57Speaker 10: becomes like a luxury for us. So we often don't
- 5:00Speaker 10: buy beef now.
- 5:02Speaker 1: Prices are changing the way she shops. And what the
- 5:06Speaker 1: family eats.
- 5:07Speaker 10: We buy stuff on sale and then try to meal
- 5:09Speaker 10: plan from what's on sale as opposed to the opposite where,
- 5:12Speaker 10: you know, if there's something that we want to eat,
- 5:14Speaker 10: we would buy the groceries.
- 5:16Speaker 1: At the store, she checks the apps to see what's
- 5:18Speaker 1: on sale.
- 5:19Speaker 10: Strawberries on sale. Ooh, looks like buy two and get
- 5:23Speaker 10: 300 points.
- 5:24Speaker 11: Nice.
- 5:24Speaker 1: And heads straight for the deals. Let's see if Connie's
- 5:28Speaker 1: strategy pays off.
- 5:30Speaker 7: Do I really want it?
- 5:31Speaker 5: Hmm, I think I'll pass.
- 5:34Speaker 1: For the most part, the cost of groceries has increased
- 5:36Speaker 1: faster than inflation. According to Statistics Canada, Canadians are paying
- 5:41Speaker 1: almost 30% more for groceries compared to five years ago.
- 5:47Speaker 1: The federal government says it's trying to help. Earlier this year,
- 5:51Speaker 1: introducing the groceries and essentials benefit for qualifying Canadians. And later,
- 5:56Speaker 1: unveiling the first ever national food security strategy.
- 6:00Speaker 11: More than $ 3 billion in this strategy of investments. to
- 6:04Speaker 11: tackle the challenges in our food system through targeted measures
- 6:08Speaker 11: and investments to help create more affordable, sustainable and resilient
- 6:12Speaker 11: food supply.
- 6:13Speaker 10: Chain in Canada.
- 6:15Speaker 1: Canada's big three each take in tens of billions of
- 6:19Speaker 1: dollars a year. Jim says they bear some of the
- 6:22Speaker 1: blame for higher prices.
- 6:24Speaker 9: Grocery store profits are not the only reason for food inflation, certainly,
- 6:28Speaker 9: but they have taken a bad situation and made it worse.
- 6:31Speaker 1: He says they're adding their own profits on top of
- 6:34Speaker 1: higher supply chain costs. Back to Connie. Time to check
- 6:40Speaker 1: out her total. Oh, it's a long receipt.
- 6:44Speaker 11: Yes.
- 6:44Speaker 1: This is a week's worth of groceries for you.
- 6:46Speaker 11: That's right.
- 6:46Speaker 1: Grand total, you want to read it out for us? $ 148. 87.
- 6:49Speaker 10: Connie's most expensive item, a $ 16 pack of medium ground beef.
- 6:58Speaker 1: The price was up 12.9% year over year. Why is
- 7:03Speaker 1: beef so expensive these days?
- 7:05Speaker 8: We had two consecutive years of very dry weather. Cows
- 7:08Speaker 8: need grass. If there's less grass, you can run fewer cows.
- 7:13Speaker 9: And unfortunately, those droughts were not a one-off event. And this, again,
- 7:18Speaker 9: is another sign of how climate change is going to
- 7:20Speaker 9: affect our food bill.
- 7:22Speaker 1: Other items in Connie's cart saw price swings too. Berries
- 7:26Speaker 1: were up 8.5%. And carrots, 16.6% year over year. How
- 7:35Speaker 1: about the rest of our $ 100 shoppers? Bruna Harriot's shopping
- 7:39Speaker 1: for herself and her son.
- 7:41Speaker 4: Yeah, so we can't get no burgers today. This is $ 20,
- 7:44Speaker 4: we have to skip it. Remember you serve a nice
- 7:47Speaker 4: burger on the grill and you'd be like, yeah. I can't,
- 7:51Speaker 4: I'm getting my headaches, I'm getting dizzy.
- 7:53Speaker 1: I really getting overwhelmed. Dorothy Ware shops for a household
- 7:59Speaker 1: of six.
- 8:01Speaker 6: I have to stretch everything I get.
- 8:03Speaker 7: And then if we get chicken, chicken can be dinner
- 8:06Speaker 7: and lunch snacks.
- 8:18Speaker 1: Both come in under $ 100. About $ 70 for Myrna, who
- 8:23Speaker 1: holds back for fear of going over, and about $ 93
- 8:27Speaker 1: for Dorothy, who says she already has some staples at home.
- 8:30Speaker 1: Do you think that'll cover you for the week?
- 8:32Speaker 7: This, making stir fries and making everything out of it, hopefully,
- 8:37Speaker 7: but there's no room for error.
- 8:39Speaker 4: Basically, this amount of money is for two days. This
- 8:42Speaker 4: is not going to keep me for the week.
- 8:43Speaker 3: That might be close.
- 8:44Speaker 1: Our remaining shoppers, Mike Armstrong and Munawar Khan, blow past
- 8:49Speaker 1: the $ 100. Mike spends about $ 132 for his family of five.
- 8:55Speaker 1: Looking at what you have here, do you feel like
- 8:57Speaker 1: you got value for your money?
- 8:59Speaker 3: No.
- 9:00Speaker 6: No, I do not.
- 9:01Speaker 1: It's a lot of money.
- 9:02Speaker 3: No, but it's just one of those generally accepted things, right? Like,
- 9:05Speaker 3: this isn't valuable, but you need it, and it's just
- 9:07Speaker 3: so much a cost. It seems like there's not much
- 9:09Speaker 3: you can do.
- 9:09Speaker 1: And Munawar, he spends $ 172 for himself and his wife,
- 9:15Speaker 1: but knocks off 20 bucks with points.
- 9:17Speaker 3: If they can reduce the price, it would be good.
- 9:19Speaker 4: If the cost of living can be, like, reduced, it
- 9:22Speaker 4: will be very good for the common people.
- 9:25Speaker 1: Both by tomatoes. A whopping year-over-year increase of 31.7%.
- 9:33Speaker 9: Tomatoes are one of the products really affected by that
- 9:36Speaker 9: loss of migrant farm labor in the United States. The
- 9:39Speaker 9: reduction in the amount of planting of tomatoes in the U.S.
- 9:42Speaker 9: and then the shift in production to Mexico. So just
- 9:44Speaker 9: as they were shifting the production to Mexico, they had
- 9:47Speaker 9: some terrible weather there that reduced the crops. That was
- 9:50Speaker 9: compounded by the diesel price shock that we've seen, again
- 9:55Speaker 9: attributable to Donald Trump and his.
- 9:57Speaker 8: War in the Persian Gulf.
- 9:59Speaker 1: In the end, four of our six shoppers spend more
- 10:03Speaker 1: than $ 100. We ask Loblaw, Metro and Sobeys for interviews
- 10:08Speaker 1: about their prices. They decline. Instead, Loblaw sends a statement.
- 10:13Speaker 1: They say they also want lower grocery prices and are
- 10:17Speaker 1: focused on delivering value. but say many of the factors
- 10:20Speaker 1: contributing to the high prices are out of their control.
- 10:25Speaker 1: In a statement, Metro 2 says a lot of outside
- 10:28Speaker 1: factors are adding to the high prices, saying they know
- 10:32Speaker 1: Canadians are concerned and work to provide meaningful savings. Sobeys
- 10:37Speaker 1: didn't reply to numerous requests for answers. We also reach
- 10:42Speaker 1: out to the Retail Council of Canada for an industry-wide perspective.
- 10:46Speaker 1: It tells us grocery businesses make between two and four
- 10:49Speaker 1: cents on every dollar for food. And any growth in
- 10:51Speaker 1: profit comes from non-food areas.
- 10:54Speaker 8: Even when we hear that inflation is going down, Prices
- 10:58Speaker 8: aren't going down, not to any significant degree. And it's
- 11:01Speaker 8: not only buying for one week. When you're living paycheck
- 11:04Speaker 8: to paycheck, you can't buy something that's on special and
- 11:07Speaker 8: keep it in the fridge.
- 11:08Speaker 9: There's a number of things kind of coming together, a
- 11:10Speaker 9: sort of perfect storm situation on the food price issue
- 11:13Speaker 9: in particular. When you put all of these different factors together,
- 11:16Speaker 9: the geopolitics, the fuel price shocks, of course, the tariffs,
- 11:21Speaker 9: the climate issues, then food is particularly sensitive.
- 11:29Speaker 1: Coming up, how far would you go to save on groceries?
- 11:33Speaker 1: We aim to spend $ 35 a week for food. With
- 11:37Speaker 1: food costs squeezing family budgets, some shoppers are getting creative.
- 11:42Speaker 1: It's very simple. Marketplace is sending you on a grocery run.
- 11:56Speaker 1: Our $ 100 challenge shows how far your money goes. But
- 12:00Speaker 1: what happens when you don't have enough?
- 12:03Speaker 3: Wow.
- 12:03Speaker 1: We're uncovering a reality that's more common than many shoppers think.
- 12:08Speaker 1: More people are going hungry. It's interesting how you're always
- 12:11Speaker 1: thinking about this, though. You always have to think, what
- 12:14Speaker 1: can I afford? How long can it last?
- 12:16Speaker 6: Yes.
- 12:16Speaker 1: Has it always been like this?
- 12:18Speaker 7: No, but now, definitely. Are they going to be able
- 12:21Speaker 7: to not be hungry while they're sitting in a classroom?
- 12:23Speaker 7: Am I going to have enough for dinner when they
- 12:25Speaker 7: get home for everyone? Or is this tonight that I
- 12:28Speaker 7: miss out and I make sure that they eat?
- 12:30Speaker 1: Will you skip dinner?
- 12:31Speaker 7: Sometimes, if I don't have enough, yeah.
- 12:35Speaker 1: Christina Kennedy says she'd be one of them, if not
- 12:39Speaker 1: for her local food bank.
- 12:41Speaker 5: I moved back from British Columbia and I had just
- 12:45Speaker 5: moved into an apartment and just given birth to twins
- 12:49Speaker 5: and had just mounting expenses. I just realized that I
- 12:52Speaker 5: couldn't make everything work.
- 12:54Speaker 1: All that after the death of her husband.
- 12:56Speaker 5: I was always the kind of person that really tried
- 12:58Speaker 5: to do everything myself. Sometimes you have to ask for help.
- 13:02Speaker 5: You have to ask other people to support you.
- 13:04Speaker 1: The Toronto food bank she visits, Nourish East End, is
- 13:08Speaker 1: a lifeline. But it only extends so far.
- 13:11Speaker 5: The food bank will give you approximately two days worth
- 13:15Speaker 5: of food.
- 13:16Speaker 1: Then there's the wait. Users can only visit once a week.
- 13:21Speaker 5: You definitely still have to spend quite a bit of
- 13:23Speaker 5: money at the grocery store every week.
- 13:24Speaker 1: What are you thinking about the prices you see?
- 13:26Speaker 5: I think it's getting harder and harder to manage on
- 13:28Speaker 5: a fixed income and it's not sustainable.
- 13:31Speaker 1: Christina is a mom of four and a person with
- 13:34Speaker 1: a disability. Finding work is difficult, so she relies on
- 13:38Speaker 1: support from the province.
- 13:40Speaker 5: So I have to pay rent. The income I have, bills,
- 13:44Speaker 5: is about a quarter, and then I have about a
- 13:46Speaker 5: quarter left for food.
- 13:48Speaker 1: That's about $ 800 a month, she says, for herself and
- 13:52Speaker 1: four children.
- 13:53Speaker 5: It's extremely hard. That's why I come here.
- 13:56Speaker 1: According to Foodbanks Canada, 2025 saw nearly 2.2 million visits
- 13:59Speaker 1: in a single month. That's doubled since 2019. Reverend Breanne
- 14:08Speaker 1: Swan and Kathy Forrest manage the food bank Christina uses.
- 14:11Speaker 2: It's not that we don't have enough food. It's that
- 14:14Speaker 2: people can't afford it after they pay rent or mortgage.
- 14:17Speaker 2: The price of the food itself is going exponentially.
- 14:21Speaker 6: If we need to go out and buy, say, milk,
- 14:24Speaker 6: when that price goes up, we can buy less and
- 14:27Speaker 6: less with our money.
- 14:29Speaker 1: So you're going to show me around the food bank?
- 14:31Speaker 2: I am, yes. So we'll pretend we're a household of two.
- 14:34Speaker 6: Okay. Today.
- 14:35Speaker 1: I see it goes all the way up to eight
- 14:36Speaker 1: or more.
- 14:36Speaker 2: All the way, yeah, exactly. So Cobb's supplies bread to us,
- 14:42Speaker 2: to a lot.
- 14:43Speaker 5: Of other agencies in the city.
- 14:46Speaker 1: How much could we get on a day like today?
- 14:49Speaker 2: A day like today, probably... A loaf of bread and
- 14:53Speaker 2: then maybe some buns.
- 14:55Speaker 11: Okay.
- 14:56Speaker 10: So we're going around.
- 14:57Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is sort of a snack table. We've
- 14:59Speaker 2: got some granola bars. We don't hand out a whole
- 15:05Speaker 2: lot of sweet treat snack foods and stuff, but it's
- 15:10Speaker 2: really great when we can.
- 15:13Speaker 1: We move on to produce. This is interesting because people
- 15:16Speaker 1: tell us how expensive fresh fruit and vegetables are these days.
- 15:20Speaker 1: That's true. This must be in demand.
- 15:22Speaker 2: Very much in demand. Depending on household size, they might
- 15:26Speaker 2: be able to get a tomato, some lettuce, but rarely
- 15:33Speaker 2: sort of enough of everything.
- 15:35Speaker 1: So for a family of two, probably two apples.
- 15:38Speaker 9: Today is basically what they're going to get.
- 15:40Speaker 1: It's not a lot.
- 15:41Speaker 5: It isn't.
- 15:42Speaker 1: Last stop.
- 15:44Speaker 5: Protein.
- 15:44Speaker 2: Two people, two choices for the week. So that could
- 15:48Speaker 2: be peanut butter and some meat or.
- 15:53Speaker 1: Peanut butter, some eggs.
- 15:54Speaker 5: Yep.
- 15:55Speaker 1: So six eggs, six eggs. Again, that's not a lot.
- 15:59Speaker 2: It's sometimes heartbreaking because oftentimes people will say like, it's
- 16:03Speaker 2: not enough.
- 16:04Speaker 5: I think that like it can happen to anyone. I
- 16:06Speaker 5: don't think most people wake up one day and think, Oh,
- 16:09Speaker 5: next month I'll have to access the food bank. Sometimes
- 16:12Speaker 5: things happen in people's lives that are very destabilizing.
- 16:15Speaker 1: We keep hearing that food banks are not a permanent solution,
- 16:18Speaker 1: but people keep turning to in more and more numbers.
- 16:20Speaker 2: Now food banks are this integral part of the social
- 16:23Speaker 2: safety net propped up by community organizations, oftentimes faith communities.
- 16:28Speaker 2: And the more and more that we have to resource food,
- 16:34Speaker 2: the more and more that lets governments off the hook
- 16:37Speaker 2: for actually doing the job of taking care of people.
- 16:47Speaker 1: Ottawa says its new food strategy will improve access to
- 16:51Speaker 1: affordable food.
- 16:52Speaker 6: There's all kinds of issues relevant to high grocery prices.
- 16:55Speaker 1: After the break, we asked the government how and when.
- 16:59Speaker 6: It's an overall plan. I mean, this isn't going to
- 17:01Speaker 6: happen overnight.
- 17:11Speaker 1: We're digging deeper into the cost of your groceries and
- 17:15Speaker 1: the extreme ways people are trying to keep up. The
- 17:20Speaker 1: Carney government is promising to make food more affordable. But
- 17:24Speaker 1: experts are wary of promising lower prices.
- 17:28Speaker 8: I think the food security strategy is an incredibly positive
- 17:31Speaker 8: thing to do, but I think we're dooming it for
- 17:35Speaker 8: failure if we're saying that it's going to reduce food prices.
- 17:38Speaker 9: Stabilizing food prices and then making sure that Canadians have
- 17:41Speaker 9: enough income to afford food is a better goal.
- 17:44Speaker 1: We make repeated requests for an interview with Minister of
- 17:47Speaker 1: Agriculture Heath MacDonald. His office declines. That's him in the background. Hmm,
- 17:57Speaker 1: maybe he didn't hear us. But we don't give up,
- 18:01Speaker 1: catching up with him at an event in Charlottetown.
- 18:05Speaker 9: This is for CBC Marketplace.
- 18:07Speaker 1: The grocery benefit leaves some people out.
- 18:09Speaker 6: And the food security plan is going to take years.
- 18:12Speaker 6: What are you doing right now to bring down high
- 18:14Speaker 6: grocery prices for all Canadians? There's all kinds of issues
- 18:16Speaker 6: relevant to high grocery prices, things that are out of
- 18:19Speaker 6: our control to some extent. So what we need to
- 18:21Speaker 6: do as a country is start building out for the
- 18:23Speaker 6: future and making sure that when we are faced with
- 18:25Speaker 6: these challenges, that we can handle it a lot better
- 18:29Speaker 6: than we have in the past.
- 18:31Speaker 1: So when will shoppers see prices drop?
- 18:34Speaker 6: It's an overall plan. I mean, this isn't going to
- 18:37Speaker 6: happen overnight.
- 18:38Speaker 1: In fact, the plan will take years. Until then, Canadians
- 18:42Speaker 1: are left to find their own ways to make ends meet.
- 18:46Speaker 1: Where are we going to start? In North Vancouver, Michelle
- 18:48Speaker 1: Nidam is taking grocery saving to an extreme.
- 18:51Speaker 10: We have $ 5 to work with, so maybe this is
- 18:53Speaker 10: two pounds, so this is $ 3, so maybe we could
- 18:55Speaker 10: also get a few apples.
- 18:58Speaker 1: That's a tight budget. She and her husband challenge themselves
- 19:01Speaker 1: to live on just $ 35 a week for food in
- 19:04Speaker 1: one of Canada's most expensive cities. And they do it
- 19:08Speaker 1: for four months.
- 19:10Speaker 7: The goal?
- 19:10Speaker 1: To pay off a debt. But it completely changes the
- 19:13Speaker 1: way they shop. The food prices really affected us throughout
- 19:17Speaker 1: the challenge. Every time something would go up, it would
- 19:20Speaker 1: just feel terrible. How has it changed the way you
- 19:23Speaker 1: grocery shop? Now I start with a number three. with
- 19:26Speaker 1: the number that I want to shop from, and we
- 19:28Speaker 1: really stick with it. Whereas before, it was just add
- 19:30Speaker 1: whatever we need to the cart. I mean, they look.
- 19:34Speaker 11: Good and they smell good.
- 19:35Speaker 1: I just can't believe there's such few ingredients. These lentil
- 19:38Speaker 1: patties are one of the low-cost meals that help them
- 19:41Speaker 1: survive the $ 35 a week challenge. So what does about
- 19:46Speaker 1: $ 5 a day for two people taste like? Okay, I'm
- 19:49Speaker 1: going to give it a try. Well, it's very simple.
- 19:56Speaker 11: Yes.
- 19:57Speaker 1: But I guess if you're using that many ingredients, it's
- 19:59Speaker 1: going to be that simple. Nothing fancy, just cheap ingredients
- 20:03Speaker 1: stretched as far as they'll go.
- 20:10Speaker 9: Thank you.