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Speaker 1: Peedo Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, welcome to the program break to have your
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Speaker 2: company here. It's coming up on the program tonight with
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Speaker 2: the Coalasion of Green set to scuffer Labour's proposed caps
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Speaker 2: on international students. This is shaping up as a key
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Speaker 2: battle at the learning election as the Coalition accuses Labor
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Speaker 2: of pursuing Big Australia by stealth, lots of happy faces,
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Speaker 2: talk of mending relationships, the very few stern words from
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi during his face to face meeting with China's
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Speaker 2: president g trade of course important, not at the expense
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Speaker 2: of our national security. More in that meeting coming up,
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Speaker 2: plus the laws that have been used to lock up
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Speaker 2: large areas of land, all under the guise of cultural protection.
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Speaker 2: This started as out for age of a rock climbing
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Speaker 2: landmark being locked up, but as far as growing into
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Speaker 2: a flashpoint, as I revealed tonight, new moves by the
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Speaker 2: Coalition in the Federal Parliament for an urgent inquiry and
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen full of arrogance on the world stage rebuffing
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Speaker 2: an offer from the US and the UK to join
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Speaker 2: a nuclear energy pact as he persists with his renewables fantasy.
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Speaker 3: You can always slicker rap when the socialist left from
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Speaker 3: Labor starts sounding like economic rationalists.
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Speaker 4: Now the adment from Labor.
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Speaker 5: Is or yes, nuclear energy tic tic tick.
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Speaker 4: But the economics doesn't stack up.
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Speaker 2: We'll stay with that issue because there were big news
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Speaker 2: today on the nuclear energy front and a whole lot
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Speaker 2: of hypocrisy from the Albanesi government. And it's not just
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Speaker 2: hypocrisy either, it's lack of policy integrity, of intellectual consistency
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Speaker 2: that's written large from a Labor party that's willing to
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Speaker 2: support nuclear power at sea under an Orchest deal but
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Speaker 2: wants to demonize nuclear power on lane and under the
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Speaker 2: very self same deal. Here's the Opposition leader on this
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Speaker 2: very point as he kicked off question time today and
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Speaker 2: then that nonsensical response from Acting Prime Minister Richard Miles.
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Speaker 6: Overnight at COP twenty nine, the United States and the
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Speaker 6: United Kingdom signed a new agreement for civil nuclear reactor collaboration.
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Speaker 6: The UK Labor government as stated the agreement is and
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Speaker 6: I quote expected to also be signed by Australia and
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Speaker 6: it will quote speed up the deployment of cutting edge
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Speaker 6: nuclear technology to help decarbonize industry and boost energy security.
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Speaker 6: Can the acting Prime Minister confirm Australia will sign the
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Speaker 6: civil Nuclear Reactor Agreement?
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Speaker 7: I can confirm that the Australian government will not be
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Speaker 7: signing that agreement.
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Speaker 2: Now, what sparked that exchange was news overnight from the
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Speaker 2: UN's Climate Conference in Azerbaijan, where the UK Secretary for
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Speaker 2: Energy Ed Milliband announced the British government had just signed
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Speaker 2: a new agreement with the United States to speed up
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Speaker 2: the development of civilian nuclear energy as a key plank
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Speaker 2: in the global push to decarbonize and get to net zero.
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Speaker 2: As Milliban's press release makes clear, this new agreement will
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Speaker 2: commence in March next year. And here's what ticked the
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Speaker 2: labor mob off, he says, and I quote, Australia is
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Speaker 2: expected to join its UK and US allies in this endeavor.
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Speaker 2: And you're what, poor old Ed Milliban, how is he
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Speaker 2: to know that his labour cousins here in Australia might
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Speaker 2: love nuclear power at sea, but on land they're terrified
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Speaker 2: of it, claiming, as Richard Miles did, that it's just
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Speaker 2: too expensive.
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Speaker 8: Did the Australian government make any representations to the UK
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Speaker 8: government for the reference to Australia contained in the press
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Speaker 8: release titled UK and US Joined forces to speed up
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Speaker 8: advanced nuclear technologies to be withdrawn.
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Speaker 7: We're not signing this agreement. This agreement is in respect
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Speaker 7: of two countries which both have a civil nuclear industry,
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Speaker 7: and we do.
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Speaker 2: Not too expensive. Try telling that to the pensaer who
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Speaker 2: used to enjoy some of the world's most affordable power
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Speaker 2: in this country, but is now forced to pay for
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Speaker 2: power that's amongst the world's most expensive. So much of
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Speaker 2: that great labor lie that renewables are cheap. This deal
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Speaker 2: between the UK and the US, signed overnight is the
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Speaker 2: extension of the pro Nuclear Agreement signed by thirty one
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Speaker 2: nations at last year's cop meeting to triple the world's
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Speaker 2: nuclear energy by twenty fifty and also to expand new
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Speaker 2: technologies like small modular reactors before the end of this decade. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: here at home, labor troglodites bury their head in the
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Speaker 2: sands for a government that keeps demanding the opposition detail
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Speaker 2: and cost its nuclear policies. The Ombenezi government suddenly remarkably
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Speaker 2: coy about its future emissions reduction target. Now, as you know,
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Speaker 2: Labour's current emissions target is set until twenty thirty but
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Speaker 2: a new one is due to be announced by February
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Speaker 2: next year for the period from then through to twenty
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Speaker 2: thirty five. Here's a Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen on
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Speaker 2: this very point in.
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Speaker 9: June, let's just break down the twenty thirty five target
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Speaker 9: and the process. We're obliged to do that by next February,
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Speaker 9: and of course we will.
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Speaker 2: And that promise is backed up by the government's own documentation.
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Speaker 2: This is on its website. It says and I quote,
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Speaker 2: under the terms of the Paris Agreement, a country must
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Speaker 2: update its nationally determined contribution every five years. Australia's nationally
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Speaker 2: determined contribution will include the twenty thirty five target, and
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Speaker 2: it is due by the end of February five. Yet,
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Speaker 2: speaking to the ABC on Sunday, all the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: could say was that the twenty thirty five target would
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Speaker 2: be released. He says, quote sometime next year.
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Speaker 10: Well, under the Paris Agreement, you have to have a
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Speaker 10: twenty thirty five target.
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Speaker 9: Next year, right, yeah, sometime next year before the election. Well,
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Speaker 9: our focus is on achieving the twenty thirty target, because
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Speaker 9: twenty thirty comes before twenty thirty five.
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Speaker 2: Fudge, fudge, fudge. So why is the government now so
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Speaker 2: determined to put off until after the election any announcements
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Speaker 2: of its twenty thirty five emissions targets. The Environment Minister
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Speaker 2: Tanya Pleversek, trying to muddy the waters, was out claiming
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Speaker 2: a day or so ago that Labor can't put its
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Speaker 2: new target out there because it's required under law to
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Speaker 2: consult and she says they require advice from the Independent
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Speaker 2: Climate Change Authority. Now, of course she's right, that's all
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Speaker 2: in legislation, but she's caught out in this lie because
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Speaker 2: I can reveal the government has already sought this advice
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Speaker 2: from the Climate Change Authority, as Minister Chris Bowen admitted
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Speaker 2: in this new story back in January, where he revealed
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Speaker 2: to journalist Rosie Lewis that he'd quote already written to
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Speaker 2: the Climate Change Authority requesting its advice on the government's
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty five target. And he said to Lewis that
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Speaker 2: the target would be and I quote, very clear to
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Speaker 2: the Australian people before the election. Here's a copy too
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Speaker 2: of Chris Bowen's letter to the very same authority asking
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Speaker 2: for their advice on those twenty thirty five targets, and
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Speaker 2: according to documentation on the Climate Change's website, this is
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Speaker 2: the Department of the Climate Change Authority would provide before
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Speaker 2: August sectoral pathways advice to the government. This is on
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Speaker 2: each sector, such as transport and agriculture, on how they
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Speaker 2: might achieve net zero. The department's own website goes on
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Speaker 2: to say that by the end of this year, so
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Speaker 2: it says the fourth quarter twenty twenty four, it would
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Speaker 2: provide advice on the twenty thirty five target. So again,
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Speaker 2: why the secrecy around the release of these new targets.
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Speaker 2: Why keep voters in the dark when these new targets will,
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Speaker 2: without a doubt, impact the cost not just of our
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Speaker 2: energy but food and transport. Two, As net zero pushes
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Speaker 2: deeper and deeper cuts, the Climate Change Authority has already
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Speaker 2: said that the twenty thirty five targets need cuts in
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Speaker 2: emissions in the range of sixty five to seventy five percent.
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Speaker 2: Now that's a drastic increase on the twenty thirty targets,
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Speaker 2: which we will not meet. You can see why they
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Speaker 2: don't want voters to know the truth of what's coming
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Speaker 2: before the election. Can't you to try and pull a
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Speaker 2: wollow your eyes. The Abinezer government is using the ruse
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Speaker 2: of Donald Trump's election as cover because if the United
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Speaker 2: States is reducing its climate ambitions, as Trump declared he will,
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Speaker 2: then presumably that means our targets will have to be
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Speaker 2: even higher to make up for the shortfall. How very
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Speaker 2: convenient for Labor. Don't be fooled, Australia. Delaying the release
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Speaker 2: of the twenty thirty five targets has nothing to do
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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump and everything to do with the cost
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Speaker 2: of living election that Labour is desperate to win. Now
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Speaker 2: as the pole settle into trend and a coalition majority
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Speaker 2: looks more and more possible, Labour can't afford to tell
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Speaker 2: you just how much pain you're in for should they win.
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Speaker 2: This is an absolute scandal from a government that's been
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Speaker 2: totally committed to a climate crusade. It's never really been costed,
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Speaker 2: it's never been released publicly, and that clearly these clowns
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Speaker 2: barely understand what's worse when they get it. Get out
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Speaker 2: a jail free card by our key, Ali's allies to
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Speaker 2: sign up to a nuclear energy pat The idiot's running
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Speaker 2: the country here say nuclear is too expensive, too expensive
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Speaker 2: from a labor government's made wasting your money an art form. Seriously,
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Speaker 2: you can't make this stuff up. Do they think people
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Speaker 2: like me can't read information on a website or something
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Speaker 2: buried in a report that I don't read their transcripts,
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Speaker 2: that I can't see through their bs Keep it up,
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen, as that adage goes, keep quiet and let
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Speaker 2: everyone assume you're stupid, open your mouth and confirm it.
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Speaker 11: Anthony Alberizi says Donald Trump did not come up in
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Speaker 11: conversations with Chinese President Jijiping at the G twenty in Brazil.
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Speaker 11: In the third face to face meeting between the two leaders,
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Speaker 11: the prime to praise the improved trade ties between the
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Speaker 11: two countries. Nearly all of Beijing's sanctions on products such
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Speaker 11: as balley and wine have been removed.
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Speaker 9: Our whole region will benefit from the prosperity that can
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Speaker 9: flow from peace, security and stability.
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Speaker 12: In our region.
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Speaker 11: It is now reportedly seeking to promote Australia as a
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Speaker 11: model trading partner. A mid concern of a potential trade
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Speaker 11: war between China and the United States when Donald Trump
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Speaker 11: takes office, but it comes with a veiled warning Australia
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Speaker 11: should shelve its differences with China.
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Speaker 13: Over the past decade, we have made some progress in
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Speaker 13: China Australia relations and also witnessed some twists and terms.
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Speaker 11: Labor is accusing Peter Dutton of lying about the coalition's
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Speaker 11: commitment to capping international student numbers. The government had planned
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Speaker 11: to pass legislation this fortnite to cap international student numbers
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Speaker 11: at two hundred and seventy thousand from January one next year.
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Speaker 11: Bar to the Opposition will now block the bill. It
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Speaker 11: says the legislation won't address the broader blowout in migration numbers.
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Speaker 6: We're happy for them to be a cap and to
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Speaker 6: be a reduction because I want Australian kids to get
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Speaker 6: into housing.
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Speaker 11: Labor is accusing them of a backflip.
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Speaker 7: You said categorically if he became Prime Minister, he'd put
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Speaker 7: a cap on the number of international students that come
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Speaker 7: to Australia every year.
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Speaker 2: Now we know that was a lie. Let's go straight
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Speaker 2: into the panel now, joining miscuyn New's host, National affairs
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Speaker 2: editor for Daily Telegraph, James Morrow, and our political reporter
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Speaker 2: from Canbrack cam Redden gens. I want to start with
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Speaker 2: this plan by Labor to cut the number of overseas
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Speaker 2: students coming into the country from next year. Well, it's
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Speaker 2: all come to a grinding halt in the Parliament, the
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Speaker 2: Coalition and the Greens vowing to block what they describe
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Speaker 2: as chaotic and confused legislation. The universities will they say
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Speaker 2: it's a big win their sector. Peter Dutton, though, says
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Speaker 2: he wants to introduce even steeper cuts now, James, help
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Speaker 2: me out here. I'm struggling to follow the Coalition's logic here.
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Speaker 2: They say they want cuts to student numbers. Then they
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Speaker 2: say we can't support the bill because the bill is
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Speaker 2: been tough enough. Why not fix the bill rather than
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Speaker 2: block it? What am I missing? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Look, I think you've pretty much summed it up here.
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Speaker 1: I fear that the Coalition has made the mistake of
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Speaker 1: letting the perfect be the enemy of the good on
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Speaker 1: this one. I mean, obviously, you know they have gone
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Speaker 1: to the people and they're going to go to the
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Speaker 1: next election. I think, you know, with a fairly strong
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Speaker 1: mandate to cut that net overseas migration number, of which
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Speaker 1: an awful lot of that number is students, and people
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Speaker 1: see and feel the impact of those student migrants, not
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Speaker 1: just them, but also you know the fact that they
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Speaker 1: can bring in partners and buy property and all sorts
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Speaker 1: of other things as well. You know, they feel like
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Speaker 1: this has kind of been become of the sort of
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Speaker 1: back door way into Australia. And there's a kind of
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Speaker 1: a general sense, I think in the community that they're
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Speaker 1: an awful lot of tertiary institutions that have become kind
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Speaker 1: of migration agencies with a bit of diploma on the
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Speaker 1: side here as a side business. And I think people
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Speaker 1: are kind of sick of it. But I think Peter
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Speaker 1: Dunton and the Coalition have really opened themselves up to
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Speaker 1: a lot of criticism here. Number one, perhaps that they've
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Speaker 1: been pressured by the university sector, which is very powerful
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Speaker 1: to say, look, you know, and you know, take the
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Speaker 1: position that they have. But also I think it blunts
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Speaker 1: the Coalition attacks on labor that labor would do deals
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Speaker 1: with the Greens in a minority government. If they've just
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Speaker 1: gone and done well, essentially a deal with the Greens
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Speaker 1: and agreed with the Greens you know on this particular
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Speaker 1: piece of legislation, I just don't see why you wouldn't
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Speaker 1: go with it at the same time saying Labor is
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Speaker 1: being really weak. We're going to go with this and
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Speaker 1: when we get back into office, you know we're going
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Speaker 1: to go even harder.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, I can't follow up, try and get
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Speaker 2: Sarah Henderson, the opposition spokes went on tomorrow to discuss it.
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Speaker 2: What about the electoral reforms cam It looks like the
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Speaker 2: Coalition will support Labour's moves to put spending caps on
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Speaker 2: federal campaigns, to cap gifts and donations from individuals and corporations,
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Speaker 2: and also to lower that donation disclosure threshold. I suspect
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Speaker 2: the Teals won't like it. Where are we up to?
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Speaker 14: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: I knowe.
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Speaker 14: The Member for Curtin, Kate Cheney, put out a list
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Speaker 14: of ten things she hates about the bill. The bill Peter,
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Speaker 14: so he can probably write her down as a no.
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Speaker 14: Of course the Teals when it comes to the House,
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Speaker 14: that don't really matter in this vote. Labor has the
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Speaker 14: numbers there. It's more about the Senate in particularly what
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Speaker 14: the coalition does. But the Teals have noted, including Kate
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Speaker 14: Cheney and David Pocock, has made noises in this direction
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Speaker 14: as well, that this may be something they would want
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Speaker 14: to revisit in the event of a hung parliament if
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Speaker 14: there is eventually a deal struck between Labor and the Coalition,
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Speaker 14: so there could yet be a way to go on this.
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Speaker 14: The Coalition says it will make up it's final myne
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Speaker 14: next week, but is making noises that it wants to
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Speaker 14: see some kind of changes to the procedure here. It
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Speaker 14: will be interesting to know, though, Peter, that any changes
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Speaker 14: that are agreed to don't kick in until twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 14: at least under the current model, unless there's a move
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Speaker 14: to bring them forward, So whatever is agreed to won't
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Speaker 14: be in place for the next election, it would be
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Speaker 14: the one after that.
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Speaker 2: James, just underscoring your point about a mixed message on
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Speaker 2: this international student legislation that the Coalition will now oppose.
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Speaker 2: New research out from the Scanlon Foundation found that almost
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Speaker 2: fifty percent of Australians believe our immigration intakes too high.
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Speaker 2: That's a massive jump up from thirty three percent just
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Speaker 2: a year ago. It also found that confidence in the
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Speaker 2: government on this issue had fallen only thirty three percent,
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Speaker 2: so a third of Australian say they trusted them to
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Speaker 2: do the right thing all or most of the time,
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Speaker 2: and then there's also further data about social coesion, saying
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Speaker 2: that only thirty four percent of adults say they take
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Speaker 2: pride in the Australian way of life and culture. A
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Speaker 2: forty seven percent say they have a great sense of
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Speaker 2: belonging in Australia. Forty percent disagree strongly Biggie Pi, I
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Speaker 2: strongly agree that maintaining our way of life and culture
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Speaker 2: is important. I mean these all coalesce into a values
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Speaker 2: debate at the next election, and I think a values
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Speaker 2: debate absolutely plays into the hands of Peter Dunton.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it absolutely does. He's willing to take it
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Speaker 1: up here. You know, there's a lot of questions I
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Speaker 1: think wrapped up in that data which you've just cited here, Peter,
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting that stuff about you know, what they
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Speaker 1: call social cohesion, but really it's about how proud do
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Speaker 1: you feel and how connected do you feel to being
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Speaker 1: an Australian and I think and to this country. And
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Speaker 1: I think part of this goes to the fact that
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Speaker 1: we've got a very high migration rate at the moment,
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Speaker 1: historically incredibly high. At the same time, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: interesting because it feels to me like Australia does a
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Speaker 1: very poor job of turning migrants into Australians. You know,
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Speaker 1: the very good to say, come here and be part
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Speaker 1: of the multicultural fabric, but keep doing what you're doing.
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Speaker 1: And you know, having just spent three weeks back in
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Speaker 1: the United States where I come from, I feel like
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Speaker 1: the United States does this idea of you know, turning
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Speaker 1: migrants into legal migrants into Americans far far better than
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Speaker 1: we do. And then when you pair this with a
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Speaker 1: couple of other issues. I mean, number one, obviously, everything
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Speaker 1: that's fallen out in the last year from the horrors
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Speaker 1: of October seventh, and the way that conflict has played
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Speaker 1: itself out in our streets and in our suburbs has
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Speaker 1: been horrific and frayed that social cohesion. But then, of
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Speaker 1: course the other bit to this peda is the economy.
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Speaker 1: And you know, it's all very well and good for
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Speaker 1: them to say, oh, we need migrants to help grow
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Speaker 1: the economy. But if your per capita GDP is going backwards,
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Speaker 1: your lifestyle is going backwards, your per capita income is
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Speaker 1: going backwards, you know, and migrants are the only thing
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Speaker 1: keeping it going well. At the same time, the school's
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Speaker 1: more crowded, the roads more crowd It's hard to get
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Speaker 1: a hostile but all that sort of thing, you know,
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Speaker 1: it is a perfect storm of fraying that social cohesion.
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Speaker 1: I think look at places like Canada where even Justin
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Speaker 1: Trudeau have gone and said we've got to put the
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Speaker 1: brakes on it because it's gotten out of control. This
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Speaker 1: is where we're heading Peter in this country, and I
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Speaker 1: think Peter Dunton has a real mandate to go very
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Speaker 1: hard on this issue and say that we need to
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Speaker 1: reduce our migration levels to historic averages, not these very
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Speaker 1: high numbers that we're seeing at the moment.
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Speaker 2: You're not wrong about justin tradea. I'll get to that
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Speaker 2: later in the show. I got some good footage out
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Speaker 2: of Canada there. Redbridge research out today cam said sixty
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Speaker 2: one percent of voters believe for Prime Minister gave Quantus
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Speaker 2: referential treatment when deciding to block catar Airways expanding flights
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Speaker 2: into Australia. This is not good given the price of
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Speaker 2: airline tickets in Australia and that this was seen by
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Speaker 2: some to be an anti competition decision by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: Arguably this is so the claim goes to feather his
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Speaker 2: own nest.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's interesting how this one, too, Peter, like so
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Speaker 14: many other issues, feeds directly into that narrative around cost
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Speaker 14: of leaving, even if it it doesn't feel like you
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Speaker 14: can draw a direct line between the two. People want
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Speaker 14: cheaper airfares and they don't feel there's enough competition. So
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Speaker 14: when all this drama around quantus emerge, you could make
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Speaker 14: that direct connection to people saying, hey, we just want
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Speaker 14: a fair go and we don't feel like we're getting one.
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Speaker 14: So I think that's part of what's reflected in those figures,
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Speaker 14: and we even saw I guess, broadening that theme out too,
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Speaker 14: not just with the quantus issue, but with a whole
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Speaker 14: range of other things, from energy to migration. Today in particular,
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Speaker 14: we saw Peter Dutton at his press conference drawing that
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Speaker 14: direct line with a very narrow message, linking everything back
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Speaker 14: to cost of living. It's going to be a cost
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Speaker 14: of living election, and whether it's air prices or airfares
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Speaker 14: and housing prices, migration numbers, whatever it is, if you
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Speaker 14: can make that connection of the cost of living, it
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Speaker 14: goes back to what we were talking about at the
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Speaker 14: US election. Are you better off than you were a
20:45
Speaker 14: few years ago. People don't feel like they are, and
20:48
Speaker 14: that's such a crucial narrative to get right for both sides.
20:52
Speaker 2: The other part would make the US election, of course
20:54
Speaker 2: demonized Johnald Trump for many many months. That's Labour's playbook
20:58
Speaker 2: here back of the United States, and I suspect they're
21:01
Speaker 2: on dangerous ground here in Australia as well. Jens, thank you. Well,
21:05
Speaker 2: let's go to have the G twenty summit and at
21:07
Speaker 2: bilateral meeting that took place in the margins late last
21:10
Speaker 2: night between Anthony Alberanezi and China's President G. Looming large
21:14
Speaker 2: over the whole summit, of course is Donald Trump. He's
21:17
Speaker 2: not there, but his election matters and what it means
21:20
Speaker 2: in trade for trade in particular front and center. However,
21:24
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister says Donald Trump was not part of
21:27
Speaker 2: their discussion. The president G.
21:31
Speaker 9: Did you sort of speak by the directly or indirectly
21:34
Speaker 9: about Donald Trump's tariff tramp plans? And was a degree
21:38
Speaker 9: position that they're not a good idea that.
21:40
Speaker 1: Had come up.
21:41
Speaker 2: No, I don't know that I really believe all of that.
21:46
Speaker 2: Come on in Anthony Albert easy, let's bring in my
21:49
Speaker 2: China hawk skyne Is contributor Chris Yelman. Chris, welcome to
21:54
Speaker 2: the program. Yet again. We'll get to you a magnificent
21:57
Speaker 2: doc o. I can't wait to watch at at eight
21:59
Speaker 2: o'clock in a moment. But what did you make of
22:01
Speaker 2: the readout of that meeting? I mean sure Tromp's name
22:03
Speaker 2: might not have been explicitly mentioned in the room, but
22:07
Speaker 2: by God, he would have learned large.
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Speaker 15: Oh, Peter Wee looms over the world. At the moment.
22:13
Speaker 15: He's threatening sixty percent tariffs against China. He said, his
22:16
Speaker 15: favorite word is tariff, and so that can't help but
22:19
Speaker 15: spark a trade war.
22:20
Speaker 4: But I'm going to walk through.
22:22
Speaker 15: This and see if I get anything wrong when it
22:23
Speaker 15: comes to China talking about free trade. So you might
22:26
Speaker 15: recall back in twenty twenty, there was a small problem
22:28
Speaker 15: with the disease that threatened to upend the entire world,
22:31
Speaker 15: shut Australia down for the better part of two years.
22:34
Speaker 15: We spent about half a trillion dollars trying to fix it,
22:37
Speaker 15: and at some point early on we said we'd like
22:39
Speaker 15: to have a little bit more information from China about
22:41
Speaker 15: the origins of this disease, given all of the effects
22:43
Speaker 15: that's having on us. In response, China then decided to
22:46
Speaker 15: hit us with trade sanctions which were illegal, and it
22:50
Speaker 15: waited until that government was gone. And then, over a
22:52
Speaker 15: long period of time, as this government has shown that
22:56
Speaker 15: it's sticking to the kind of behavior that China likes
22:58
Speaker 15: to see, it is gradually unwound those sanctions that are
23:02
Speaker 15: put up against Australia. And we are supposed to take
23:07
Speaker 15: this as progress. So correct me if I'm wrong on
23:10
Speaker 15: any of that. But that's the way it appears to me.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why he can't deal with the difficult
23:17
Speaker 2: defense and strategic issues, the human rights issues, and trade.
23:21
Speaker 2: I mean, I sat in the room with President g
23:24
Speaker 2: in Beijing and in other forums with the Prime minister
23:27
Speaker 2: at the time, Tony Out, but he raised some really difficult,
23:30
Speaker 2: tough issues, of course he did, but he managed to
23:33
Speaker 2: get that free trade deal over the line. Why is
23:36
Speaker 2: alban easy all one and not the other? Why does
23:40
Speaker 2: he cow Tao but he's effusive in the imageries we
23:45
Speaker 2: see when he meets with G. What is it with
23:48
Speaker 2: labor and China?
23:52
Speaker 15: Well, Peter, I'm unsure about that. I do know that
23:55
Speaker 15: they do believe that there had to be some normalization
23:57
Speaker 15: of the relationship with China is our major trading partner,
24:01
Speaker 15: so I can understand why you would want to normalize
24:04
Speaker 15: that trade. But I would have thought that the starting
24:05
Speaker 15: position for Australia with an incoming government would be you
24:09
Speaker 15: unwind all those sanctions first and then we'll talk. I
24:12
Speaker 15: mean think there's an iron law when it comes to
24:14
Speaker 15: international politics, and that is that nobody respects anyone who
24:18
Speaker 15: is weak. And it would appear to me today even
24:20
Speaker 15: from the language that we heard from Shijingping in that meeting,
24:24
Speaker 15: that he was telling Anthony Albanezi that we've had some
24:26
Speaker 15: rocky times in the past. Things are okay at the moment.
24:29
Speaker 15: Just you behave and everything will be just dandy.
24:34
Speaker 2: It's embarrassing, though, when China holds out Australia, you know,
24:39
Speaker 2: calls him handsome boy. That's one thing, and that's a
24:41
Speaker 2: pattern on the head. That's about as poor as it
24:43
Speaker 2: gets in diplomatic terms. Then holds out Australia and says
24:46
Speaker 2: to the rest of the world, you need to treat
24:49
Speaker 2: us like our lickspittle Australia. Does we want you all
24:52
Speaker 2: to count how like Australia paraphrasing, of course, But I
24:56
Speaker 2: don't think I might be praised by President Jing at
24:59
Speaker 2: the moment.
25:01
Speaker 15: No, you were paraphrasing what was in the China Dari,
25:03
Speaker 15: and that was pretty much it is that the other
25:04
Speaker 15: world leaders could learn something from the behavior of Anthony Albanese.
25:08
Speaker 15: Now I'm sure that Anthony ALBERANIZI hated that because what
25:11
Speaker 15: it looked like to me was him being put in
25:13
Speaker 15: his place and told him that as long as he
25:16
Speaker 15: keeps behaving, then he will be rewarded by China, but
25:20
Speaker 15: could also be punished if he doesn't. It makes him
25:23
Speaker 15: look completely like some kind of vassal.
25:28
Speaker 2: I want to play a comment from Stephen Conroy, former
25:31
Speaker 2: Labor Front bencher. As you know, he said this today
25:34
Speaker 2: about this meeting and the relationship with my colleague Kieren Gilbert.
25:39
Speaker 10: Let no one be fooled by this diplomatic push by ze.
25:43
Speaker 10: China will not obey the international rules based order and
25:48
Speaker 10: they will use it any way they can to put
25:50
Speaker 10: pressure on people.
25:51
Speaker 4: So don't be fooled.
25:55
Speaker 2: And I want to contrast our prime minister's approach with
25:59
Speaker 2: the approach of the UK Prime minister, also a Labor
26:02
Speaker 2: Prime minister, Keir Starma, in their opening remarks with g
26:06
Speaker 2: have a listen.
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Speaker 9: Let me express as well my appreciation for your tremendous
26:13
Speaker 9: hospitality when I visited Beijing last year and where we
26:19
Speaker 9: have recommenced our leaders meet leader to leader meetings.
26:25
Speaker 2: Okay, and here's kir Starma.
26:27
Speaker 16: We are concerned by reports of Jimmy Lai's deterioration health
26:31
Speaker 16: in prison. You raised the Chinese embassy building in London
26:37
Speaker 16: when we spoke on the telephone, and we have since
26:42
Speaker 16: taken action by calling in that application. Now we have
26:47
Speaker 16: to follow the legal process and.
26:49
Speaker 2: Timeline, and you can see that the media of courses
26:53
Speaker 2: ushered out of the room.
26:54
Speaker 15: What do you think, Chris, Yeah, well, I think that
26:58
Speaker 15: there's nothing to be lost being very about where you stand,
27:01
Speaker 15: and I don't think that countries respect you if you
27:03
Speaker 15: are seen.
27:04
Speaker 4: To be weak.
27:05
Speaker 15: Now, I do understand why the Albanesi government would want
27:09
Speaker 15: to have better relations with China. The Morrison government did
27:12
Speaker 15: go particularly hard. But can I say many criticisms of
27:15
Speaker 15: that government, but I don't think that this attitude at
27:17
Speaker 15: that particular time on China was the wrong one and
27:20
Speaker 15: it created the strategic space in which Anthony Albanizi could move.
27:24
Speaker 15: My fear is that the Chinese have read this as
27:27
Speaker 15: weakness and that they will be demanding more of it
27:30
Speaker 15: in future.
27:34
Speaker 2: Do you feel like a doubt about to be outside
27:37
Speaker 2: the delivery ward and you know is about to be
27:39
Speaker 2: born your documentary as tonight at eight o'clock. It's been
27:43
Speaker 2: a labor of love, I know for you.
27:46
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's taken the better part of a year, Peter,
27:49
Speaker 15: and it has been a labor of love. But can
27:50
Speaker 15: I say that over the course of that time, I've
27:52
Speaker 15: gone from being agitated to being furious about the position
27:55
Speaker 15: that we now find ourselves in when it comes to energy.
27:58
Speaker 15: And can I just say this that you're Our lifestyle
28:00
Speaker 15: is a direct result of the amount of energy that
28:03
Speaker 15: you use, whether you can see it or not. The
28:05
Speaker 15: way that we get energy, and have gotten energy for
28:08
Speaker 15: a very long time, is that we burn fuel. We
28:10
Speaker 15: waste heat, and we do work, and fossil fuel is
28:14
Speaker 15: responsible for our entire lifestyle. Now we have decided that
28:17
Speaker 15: we are not going to do that anymore. Fair enough,
28:20
Speaker 15: I can understand why you'd want to do something about
28:21
Speaker 15: carbon emissions, but this is the point I get to
28:24
Speaker 15: in the end.
28:25
Speaker 2: It is that if China's.
28:27
Speaker 15: Not doing anything about carbon emissions, and it isn't. It
28:29
Speaker 15: now burns fifty six percent of the world's coal, and
28:31
Speaker 15: of course it's got a massive manufacturing in the industry
28:35
Speaker 15: because of that. And if India is not doing anything
28:36
Speaker 15: about it, and if the United States is now going
28:39
Speaker 15: to drill, baby drill, And by the way, when Biden
28:42
Speaker 15: was in the administration, over the course of the last
28:44
Speaker 15: fifteen years, the United States now is the biggest oil
28:47
Speaker 15: producer in the world, twenty percent of the world's oil,
28:51
Speaker 15: twenty five percent of it's liquefied natural gas. Well, if
28:55
Speaker 15: nobody else is actually playing by the rules of this game,
28:59
Speaker 15: and if carbon is go up every single year, then
29:02
Speaker 15: what on earth is Australia doing. I'll give you one
29:04
Speaker 15: last thing. I went to the Vogel nuclear plant. Probably
29:07
Speaker 15: can't see that that tiny little pellet is about the
29:11
Speaker 15: size of a pellet that goes into a nuclear plant.
29:13
Speaker 15: There are eighteen million of those in every one of
29:16
Speaker 15: the four nuclear reactors inside Vogel. Each one of those
29:20
Speaker 15: is equivalent to three barrels of oil or one ton
29:23
Speaker 15: of cop coal, or seventeen thousand cubic feat of gas.
29:28
Speaker 15: That is energy density. That is what the United States
29:32
Speaker 15: and UK are now resting their hopes on in getting
29:34
Speaker 15: to net.
29:35
Speaker 2: Zero, and we're not even out at the starting blocks. Chris,
29:40
Speaker 2: you're American, You're one of the smartest blokes in the media.
29:42
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this documentary because energy security, I
29:45
Speaker 2: say it again, is national security, and when China's in
29:49
Speaker 2: the position it is, it matters a lot. Thanks Chris,
29:52
Speaker 2: right the Real Cost of net Zero tonight, eight o'clock
29:55
Speaker 2: daylight time. I will watch it and I'm sure you
29:58
Speaker 2: will too. After the break. The onerous Indigenous cultural heritage
30:03
Speaker 2: laws that are locking up large sections of public land
30:06
Speaker 2: across the country, particularly in Victoria, and an urgent move
30:10
Speaker 2: tonight for a Senate inquiry, Plus the sheer arrogance of
30:14
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen rebuffing an invitation to join a global nuclear
30:19
Speaker 2: energy coalition. Welcome back. Still, the calm leading nuclear experts
30:27
Speaker 2: say that Australia could build a nuclear reactor within twelve years.
30:31
Speaker 2: That's a lot faster than we've been told before, as
30:33
Speaker 2: they give Chris Bowen a reality check about our renewables folly.
30:38
Speaker 2: But first I want to return to something we've discussed
30:40
Speaker 2: quite a few times, particularly last week, and this is
30:43
Speaker 2: the ever increasing hectores and hectares of public land that's
30:46
Speaker 2: been closed off to ordinary Australians under the guise of
30:49
Speaker 2: cultural heritage concerns. Now, as always, ground zero for this
30:54
Speaker 2: madness is Victoria, where a climbing ban has been put
30:58
Speaker 2: in place at Mount Arapoli's This this is in the
31:00
Speaker 2: state's Grampians region, with little to no public consultation due
31:05
Speaker 2: to the state's cultural heritage laws. In fact, it is
31:08
Speaker 2: also bad. The CEO of Parks Victoria has even admitted
31:13
Speaker 2: and I quote, we don't consult on cultural heritage. He says, well,
31:18
Speaker 2: this has come to the fore because of the outrage
31:20
Speaker 2: over the climbing ban, but it speaks to a much
31:22
Speaker 2: bigger issue which has now come to the attention of
31:26
Speaker 2: the Federal Parliament. Late this afternoon, Senators Justin Namba, Jimp
31:29
Speaker 2: Price and Senator Jonathan Dunniam have given notice of emotion
31:33
Speaker 2: to force an urgent inquiry into cultural heritage laws across Australia.
31:39
Speaker 2: They will of course examine the climbing ban, but also
31:43
Speaker 2: the Blainey gold Mine decision. Joining me now to discuss
31:46
Speaker 2: the specifics of Mount Arapolis. President of the Australian Climbing
31:50
Speaker 2: Association Mike Tompkins. Well, Mike, I know, in the case
31:55
Speaker 2: of Mount Arapolese in Victoria, we're dealing with state legislation. Yes,
32:00
Speaker 2: what do we know about these cultural heritage laws.
32:05
Speaker 5: There are two items of legislation that are really causing
32:08
Speaker 5: a lot of this trouble, and it's causing problems that
32:12
Speaker 5: don't really need to exist. And the individuals concerned, both
32:16
Speaker 5: the indigenous corporations, the climbers, Parks Victoria are all beholden
32:21
Speaker 5: to this legislation. The first is the Aboriginal Heritage Act
32:24
Speaker 5: two thousand and six, which is brought in by the
32:26
Speaker 5: Steep Bracts government that has got clauses within it that
32:32
Speaker 5: make harm to Aboriginal artifacts punishable by huge finds for
32:39
Speaker 5: both individuals and for corporations. And Park's Victoria does not
32:44
Speaker 5: administer that act. Park's Victoria in fact is bound by
32:49
Speaker 5: that Act, so they can't actually invoke fines at Mount
32:54
Speaker 5: of Apples, So that there's to some degree this is
32:58
Speaker 5: a bit of a moot point until we get the
33:00
Speaker 5: Aboriginal Heritage Act amended, which is the Victorian legislation in
33:04
Speaker 5: two thousand and six.
33:05
Speaker 2: And you said there was another bill, another piece of law.
33:07
Speaker 5: The other piece of legislation is the Park's Victoria Act
33:10
Speaker 5: twenty eighteen brought in by the Andrews government. That is
33:14
Speaker 5: distanced Parks Victoria from the reach of the Minister for
33:18
Speaker 5: the Environment who holds that portfolio, and the Minister can
33:22
Speaker 5: just brush off any questions in any political heat onto
33:26
Speaker 5: the CEO of Park's Victoria, who's relatively helpless in this
33:30
Speaker 5: situation because he's bound by the Aboriginal Heritage Act, which
33:34
Speaker 5: is administered by First Nation State Relations.
33:38
Speaker 2: But the net result is will elect politicians who out
33:42
Speaker 2: of this brewha heart so they can't do anything, or
33:44
Speaker 2: they don't have to consult, or they don't even have
33:47
Speaker 2: to take into account the economic impact of these climbing bands.
33:50
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole area Natty Muck and the Grambian's
33:54
Speaker 2: region exists for people using these parks responsibly. But at
33:59
Speaker 2: the same token, the politicians washing in their hands. You've
34:02
Speaker 2: got the CEO of Parks Victoria's saying we're not required
34:05
Speaker 2: to consult, so we haven't. We've got no flexibility. We're
34:08
Speaker 2: stuck with the Act as it is and we must
34:10
Speaker 2: administer it very tightly. And you've got poor old Victorian
34:14
Speaker 2: taxpayers locked out of crown land assets, national parks that
34:19
Speaker 2: should belong to.
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Speaker 5: Everyone absolutely, and this is leading to what's likely to
34:24
Speaker 5: be a commodification of public land if we don't stop
34:27
Speaker 5: this legislation. As this story, what do you mean by that, Well,
34:30
Speaker 5: if the parks are handed over to freehold corporations by
34:36
Speaker 5: indigenous corporations, yes, then there's only a handful of people
34:40
Speaker 5: that are stopping the commodification and that the financial agreements
34:44
Speaker 5: can be made. Corporations will be corporations. That is their way,
34:48
Speaker 5: and you can't blame corporations for using legislation to their
34:52
Speaker 5: own advantage. So there's no blame on individuals. There's no
34:56
Speaker 5: blame on parks. Victorian. In some sense you could say
34:59
Speaker 5: they've not the way we'd like them to behave under
35:04
Speaker 5: the circumstance, but they're acting in their best interests. The
35:07
Speaker 5: indigenous corporations are acting their best interests, and everybody is
35:10
Speaker 5: losing because ultimately, our parks that are set aside under
35:16
Speaker 5: federal law in nineteen seventy five, the National Parks Act
35:19
Speaker 5: to set aside for the nation to be areas that
35:23
Speaker 5: are kept from development and the areas that are presented
35:27
Speaker 5: to the public as recreational spaces. So those two things
35:31
Speaker 5: are not going to occur if we continue with those
35:34
Speaker 5: two items of legislation as they are, and.
35:36
Speaker 2: Are we treated like cultural museums but only open to
35:39
Speaker 2: a fraction of Australia's population where they go.
35:42
Speaker 5: The access to these spaces will be monetized absolutely if
35:46
Speaker 5: this legislation is not fixed. So we're calling for a
35:49
Speaker 5: Select Committee on rock climbing in the Victorian Parliament, similar
35:54
Speaker 5: to the Select Committee on duck hunting which successfully overturned
35:58
Speaker 5: the move against another similar activity. But this is just
36:03
Speaker 5: the tip of the iceberg. The the climbers are very
36:07
Speaker 5: much in the forefront of this because if this legislation
36:10
Speaker 5: is not repealed, there will be difficulty for farmers, for landowners,
36:16
Speaker 5: for householders, for councils, for everybody.
36:20
Speaker 2: You are the test case constituency very much so.
36:23
Speaker 5: And this is causing a lot of heartache in the
36:26
Speaker 5: climbing world, not just in the local town of Natimuk,
36:29
Speaker 5: which is a climbing town and is in everyone's in
36:33
Speaker 5: a terrible state there because of all this all caused
36:35
Speaker 5: by legislation, not by individual action. Melbourne, lots of people
36:41
Speaker 5: go to rock clinic. It's become a very very popular
36:43
Speaker 5: sport across Australia. Arapolis is the most precious location and
36:50
Speaker 5: tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of climbers
36:53
Speaker 5: all over the world dream of coming here one day,
36:55
Speaker 5: and they've just crossed off their list.
36:58
Speaker 2: Right, we'll come back to this obviously. We'll watch tomorrow
37:00
Speaker 2: that to Senate inquiry to see if it gets up.
37:02
Speaker 2: Good luck with a Victorian push, that's how we get
37:04
Speaker 2: some sense down here from labor. Thank you, Thank you,
37:06
Speaker 2: Peter like Topkins there, ass that to you. The Senate
37:09
Speaker 2: notes of motion went in today. It can be moved
37:11
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37:14
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I can help you understand the difference,
41:15
Speaker 3: because there's very little difference. Indeed, even the orcast submarines,
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Speaker 3: I mean the nuclear reactors in those subs. Yes, they
41:23
Speaker 3: provide for propulsion, but they also generate energy.
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Speaker 4: And so Miles doesn't have a clue.
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Speaker 3: But what's the most embarrassing thing that's happened here is
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen is overseas at the Climate change Summit.
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Speaker 4: Our two orcus allies do a deal.
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Speaker 3: The UK puts out a media release about advanced nuclear
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Speaker 3: technology saying it expects Australia will sign up. We are
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Speaker 3: part of the very forum, the vehicle that created this deal.
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Speaker 3: It's called the Gen four International Forum. But then government
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Speaker 3: came out through a mystery spokesperson. The Minister didn't even
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Speaker 3: front the camera to say we're not signing any deal.
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Speaker 4: We're not signing any deal. We don't want any nuclear energy.
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Speaker 3: It's an utter mess, it's an international embarrassment. The best
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Speaker 3: thing the Prime Minister could do is just send Chris
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Speaker 3: Bowen home.
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Speaker 4: We don't need him on the international stage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do make the point he was the worst
42:28
Speaker 2: migration minister ever, more boats than anyone else. He torpedo
42:32
Speaker 2: shortens chances with those crazy tax policies in twenty nineteen.
42:36
Speaker 2: But unfortunately for all of us now as in charge
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Speaker 2: of our energy future and it's going to hell in
42:40
Speaker 2: a handcut. Labor lead inquiry into nuclear power. Yes, I
42:46
Speaker 2: think it's a bit of a campaign stitch up, but
42:49
Speaker 2: one thing happened that I think Labor will be quite
42:52
Speaker 2: upset about. A professor of nuclear science and engineering at
42:55
Speaker 2: the World leading a Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor Bond
42:59
Speaker 2: ju Juno said he can see no reason why Australia
43:03
Speaker 2: can't have a nuclear reactor within twelve years. He says,
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Speaker 2: look at the UAE, and Australia, he says, would start
43:11
Speaker 2: on a much stronger note than the Emirates. That's a
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Speaker 2: good new story that seems to be buried everywhere other
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Speaker 2: than Sky News.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, I'm grateful that you're revealing it because it's similar
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Speaker 3: advice we've heard from other experts in the field of
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Speaker 3: nuclear energy. Australia can do this, and the timeline that
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Speaker 3: the coalition has put forward is consistent with their view.
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Speaker 3: And Professor von Jiorno, to whom you refer so MIT
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Speaker 3: is probably the most renowned institution in the world for
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Speaker 3: nuclear energy.
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Speaker 4: This guy is in charge.
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Speaker 3: He's there number one, and he knows the international landscape
43:55
Speaker 3: better than anyone.
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Speaker 4: And you should have heard him in that hearing Peter.
43:59
Speaker 3: Not only did he say Australia could do it, he
44:01
Speaker 3: was basically sort of shaking his head saying, but Australia's
44:04
Speaker 3: not starting from scratch.
44:05
Speaker 4: Australia already has a regulator.
44:07
Speaker 3: Australia already has a nuclear reactor Australia already has expertise.
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Speaker 3: Australia is way ahead of the gay compared to other
44:14
Speaker 3: new entrants in the civil nuclear Gay, which again affirms
44:18
Speaker 3: the policy we are taking to this next election. I
44:22
Speaker 3: know this committee is a political stitcher on the part
44:25
Speaker 3: of Labor, but it's an known goal. Half the time,
44:28
Speaker 3: I wonder why on earth they're doing it, because it's
44:30
Speaker 3: proving them wrong and that the coalition is on the
44:33
Speaker 3: right track for the country.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's what we said. I've been Bowen's not the
44:37
Speaker 2: sharpest tail and the shed. Let's go to that twenty
44:40
Speaker 2: thirty five emissions target fight, because I think this is
44:44
Speaker 2: key to the election. Labor do not want to have
44:47
Speaker 2: to reveal in February, as they should under the terms
44:51
Speaker 2: of the Paris Agreement and their own regulations, what our
44:55
Speaker 2: new emissions targets will be or due to put out
44:58
Speaker 2: in February next year. The twenty thirty five targets. Tanya
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Speaker 2: plever Sex says, well, we have to get advice from
45:05
Speaker 2: the Climate Change Authority before we can put them out.
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Speaker 2: But back in January, Chris Bowen says, I've already requested
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Speaker 2: that advice. Here's a copy again at the letter he
45:16
Speaker 2: sent off to the inquiry and he says also, I
45:19
Speaker 2: want to make it very clear to the Australian people
45:21
Speaker 2: that they will know about these targets before the election.
45:26
Speaker 2: So why the cloak and dagger here? Why are the
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Speaker 2: secrecy ted Peter?
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Speaker 3: I think Number one, it's because when it comes down
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Speaker 3: to it, they are weak and they are cowards. Number two,
45:39
Speaker 3: they are hiding what they know is the truth. Their
45:43
Speaker 3: next target is only going to make it harder for
45:46
Speaker 3: Australian families and businesses.
45:48
Speaker 4: Prices are going to go through the roof.
45:50
Speaker 3: Last Friday, Frontier Economics released their independent modeling of Later's
45:56
Speaker 3: current plan to create a net zero electricity grip.
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Speaker 4: It ends up being five times.
46:03
Speaker 3: More expensive than Chris Bowen has been telling the Australian people.
46:08
Speaker 3: So even with their current policies of the forty three
46:11
Speaker 3: percent renewal emissions reduction by twenty thirty, well that's going
46:16
Speaker 3: to send the country broke all the way through, I
46:19
Speaker 3: mean five times more than what they've been telling the
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Speaker 3: Australian people. So they don't want to talk about a
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Speaker 3: twenty thirty five target.
46:26
Speaker 4: Because they know the truth.
46:27
Speaker 3: It's only going to make it worse, Australians will pay more,
46:30
Speaker 3: More businesses will go insolvent, more families will have to
46:33
Speaker 3: go on hardship arrangements.
46:34
Speaker 4: And they want to hide that. They want to hide
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Speaker 4: it all the way through to the next election.
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Speaker 3: They are cowards, they are weak, and they should turn
46:40
Speaker 3: up front up to the Australian people and tell them
46:43
Speaker 3: the truth.
46:46
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've got your fois in, but I tell
46:48
Speaker 2: you there's quite a lot of documents I would be chasing.
46:51
Speaker 2: Ted O'Brien, thank you for your time. As always, All right,
46:54
Speaker 2: after break, we're going to get it into Donald Trump's
46:57
Speaker 2: latest cabinet piecks more today. This ideal he's conferving the
47:02
Speaker 2: military will play a role in his mass deportation plans
47:06
Speaker 2: will cover that in a month. All right, lots around
47:12
Speaker 2: still in the United States, of course, and all the
47:15
Speaker 2: fall that from that watherful election win. My international panel
47:18
Speaker 2: Sky and he's contributed Koshagada, the past chair of the
47:21
Speaker 2: Parliament's Foreignerfans Defense Committee. Michael Danby, Well, his picks are
47:25
Speaker 2: shaking the tree, aren't they. A big tech critic. Brendan
47:28
Speaker 2: Carr to chair the Federal Communications Commission Climate skeptic, Chris
47:33
Speaker 2: Right is the Energy Secretary, and a whole lot more.
47:37
Speaker 2: I'll get into mister huckerby heading off to Jerusalem shortly.
47:41
Speaker 2: But he's not working around. I mean he's going to
47:43
Speaker 2: hit the ground running. He sure is.
47:45
Speaker 22: His transition team had been in the works from months
47:48
Speaker 22: and months ahead of time, which is atypical.
47:50
Speaker 2: And this is different than the last time, different.
47:51
Speaker 22: Than last time, and usually they weed. There's a government
47:54
Speaker 22: budget that gets opened up once you're the president elect,
47:56
Speaker 22: and that's when they start. He funded it privately and
47:57
Speaker 22: has been working on this for months. This hasn't been
47:59
Speaker 22: over to these picks, so they're well thought through. He
48:02
Speaker 22: has very transparently campaigned on an America First agenda, which
48:06
Speaker 22: means energy independence, economic nationalism, less interventionalism, and foreign policy
48:11
Speaker 22: and yes, radically reforming government agencies. So all these picks
48:15
Speaker 22: I think just symbolize that that they are, as you say,
48:17
Speaker 22: shaking the tree.
48:18
Speaker 2: Well I all get through, do you think?
48:20
Speaker 22: So? That is the question that's brewing.
48:23
Speaker 2: And a lot of them are out of the Parliament
48:24
Speaker 2: or out of Congress. So what is it going to
48:25
Speaker 2: do to his majority?
48:26
Speaker 22: Yeah? If they all go to so two things on
48:28
Speaker 22: the majority. They some of them are going to be
48:31
Speaker 22: appointed by the governors. So the two Senators that Rubio
48:34
Speaker 22: and Jade Vance will be appointed by the governors of
48:36
Speaker 22: Florida and Ohio who are Republicans. I'm sure that was
48:39
Speaker 22: in the calculus, so that's probably safe. And that the
48:41
Speaker 22: three congress people who are coming in will have special elections,
48:44
Speaker 22: but they come from red districts, so yes, there's a risk,
48:47
Speaker 22: but it's probably safe because they're coming from Republican stronghold.
48:50
Speaker 22: In terms of the confirmation process, he can afford to
48:52
Speaker 22: lose three votes because then it's a fifty to fifty
48:55
Speaker 22: high and the Vice president will be the tiebreaker. There
48:58
Speaker 22: is discussion of things like exercises this power called the
49:00
Speaker 22: Recess Appointments Clause, which would allow him to unilaterally do
49:03
Speaker 22: it potentially up to a period of two years.
49:06
Speaker 2: We can get a lot.
49:06
Speaker 22: Done in that that power hasn't wielded in this way
49:09
Speaker 22: for a while, but it has been historically, and I
49:10
Speaker 22: wouldn't be surprised if he does something like that.
49:12
Speaker 23: But they cut that down because Obama abused the process
49:15
Speaker 23: by doing it within the ten day period. I think
49:18
Speaker 23: there's going to be a couple of them that the
49:20
Speaker 23: Senate knockover which showed its independence by not electing a
49:23
Speaker 23: chairman of the Republican Conference who was at trump akolote.
49:26
Speaker 23: He elected mister Toon. Who's Mitch McConnell's other guy. And
49:31
Speaker 23: I think Mitch McConnell, Senator mc mkowski and Collins three
49:40
Speaker 23: who may knock over Gates and Gabbard. I think all
49:45
Speaker 23: of the rest of them are very exciting. I mean,
49:47
Speaker 23: I think the picture of them all playing together. I mean,
49:49
Speaker 23: even Robert Kennedy, I mean like, I mean, he's nutty
49:52
Speaker 23: on vaccinations, but who's against Americans being less fat? Who's
49:56
Speaker 23: against food nutrition standards improving in your hamburgers? Even Hamburger
50:01
Speaker 23: he was eating on Air Force one. You know what
50:02
Speaker 23: I mean.
50:03
Speaker 2: I know, if you do go back and say that
50:04
Speaker 2: footage of Jakay doing that little exercise routine that American
50:07
Speaker 2: kids used to do with school sixties, I would say
50:10
Speaker 2: with us too. You look at how lean we were
50:12
Speaker 2: and fit, and you look at Western societies. Now, Mike
50:16
Speaker 2: Huckaby's appointment to Israel, how do the Israelis read this?
50:20
Speaker 2: Given his staunch support in the past, the President elect
50:25
Speaker 2: has been a bit of an isolationist, but this I'd
50:28
Speaker 2: read as a signal of a friend meaning business to
50:30
Speaker 2: support Israel. Well.
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Speaker 23: I think Bib and his wife are very smart to
50:34
Speaker 23: go to Marrow Lago before the election. I think the
50:36
Speaker 23: Israelis read Huckaby's appointment, Marko Ruby's appointment, Mike Waltz national
50:41
Speaker 23: security Advisor's appointment, nearly the whole Trump team as being simpatico.
50:47
Speaker 23: And what that means is they've got their back if
50:50
Speaker 23: the Uranians attack them a third time with ballistic missiles,
50:53
Speaker 23: particularly if the Uranians do as they promise and switch
50:57
Speaker 23: over to getting a nuclear warhead. What's really worrying them?
51:01
Speaker 23: And I don't know whether they'll be restrained by Biden.
51:04
Speaker 23: They did a very smart thing with the previous response
51:09
Speaker 23: to Iran. They took down Iran's nuclear research facility, which
51:15
Speaker 23: is the cork in the bottle preventing them having the
51:18
Speaker 23: nuclear warhead. So it wasn't a nuclear site as they
51:22
Speaker 23: promised Biden. It was a undeclared nuclear site, and the
51:25
Speaker 23: Iranians can't complain about it because they didn't declare it.
51:28
Speaker 2: All very interesting, a lot to talk about Canada, but
51:31
Speaker 2: we'll have to come back and do that separately. Thanks
51:32
Speaker 2: very much, thanks for your company. As always, as I said,
51:35
Speaker 2: lots going on in Canada. I might do a bit
51:37
Speaker 2: of a deep dive on Canada for you. It's pretty
51:39
Speaker 2: exciting stuff over there at the moment. But that's it
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Speaker 2: for me. You see tomorrow night at six