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Being Trans In a Non-Trans World · HAVE FAITH LET IT BEGIN®

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  Hello, everybody, and welcome to Have Faith, Let It Begin. My name is Angel
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  Santana, and today we are making room for a personal conversation,
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  one that begins with honesty, including my own.
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  So before I introduce our very special guest, I need to acknowledge something about myself.
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  There was a time when I was transphobic. I was someone who turned the other
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  way, and at times I even became upset about something that I hadn't taken the time to understand.
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  That isn't easy to say out loud, but if I'm going to ask people to come here
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  and share their truth, I need to be willing to tell the truth about myself.
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  What I've learned is that understanding another person begins with being willing to listen.
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  When I've already judged someone, I haven't left much room to hear them.
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  I have also learned that communication isn't about seeing who can speak the loudest.
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  We learn by talking with one another, asking honest questions and listening to the answers.
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  Even when those answers challenge something that we've believed.
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  And as someone walking in faith and seeking to serve God, I have a responsibility
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  to spread love and share his word.
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  So I want everybody to know that Christ teaches us to call and be more compassionate
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  and calls me to examine my own heart and the way I treat others.
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  I have had to ask myself, am I approaching this person with love?
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  Am I listening? Am I showing the compassion that I speak about?
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  That's why I felt the need to create this episode, this series,
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  and one that I think will open and hopefully teach others why.
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  And why I want to continue conversations like this as a series.
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  I want to make room for people to tell their own stories, for questions to be
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  asked respectfully, and for understanding to grow.
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  So with that being said, today I am grateful, I am honored to welcome my very good friend.
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  Her name is Emmy. She joins us to share her personal perspective as a trans
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  woman navigating a world where many people haven't shared her experiences.
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  When we discussed this conversation, she made a distinctive distinction that stayed with me.
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  There is a difference between someone saying, I don't date trans women,
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  and someone saying, I only date real women.
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  She wants to talk about that difference while also making clear that she doesn't
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  assume everyone is transphobic.
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  Emmy, thank you so much for trusting me. Thank you for being here and trusting
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  me with your conversation.
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  And I want to give you room and the platform to speak your own words.
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  If there's anything you'd rather keep private, as we said before,
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  we will respect that here.
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  And before we get into talking points, what I would like our audience,
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  now your audience, to know more a little bit about Emmy, the person.
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  Is there anything you'd like to just start off with?
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  Well, I don't want anybody to dig into my relationship with Ben Affleck because
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  we're trying to keep it quiet right now. You know, we're not.
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  He just broke up with J-Lo. So I don't we don't want anybody to dig in about
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  that. OK, good to know. TMZ, you're out.
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  Yeah. No, TMZ, please give us privacy.
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  Love it.
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  One thing that, and I'm going to reiterate what you said and back up what you said. Please.
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  There is a way to communicate, and I think it's lost when it comes to trans people.
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  When you talk to somebody of a different race, let's say Mexican,
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  Puerto Rican, and someone comes up to you and says, I don't date Puerto Ricans. Never.
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  You'd be like oh well i don't like the way that you said that that's rude or
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  if they say i don't and then they said the slur yeah,
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  you're racist so the same applies with trans people i don't date trans women
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  okay cool i don't date trans women um brother,
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  i don't date i i only date real women. Okay, so I'm not real?
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  So interesting. Hello. I think what we also miss is the fact that sex and gender
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  are two completely different things.
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  On your birth certificate, it's either male or female.
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  And unfortunately, people who are born with both genitalia get lumped into one
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  category depending on who the doctor is.
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  But there's literally only two types of ways your birth certificate says.
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  Gender is something completely different. You're not born a man.
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  You're not born a woman. You're not even born a girl or boy.
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  You're born male or female. That's it.
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  Gender is a social construct. There's about 100 plus genders that you can identify as.
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  How people don't know that, I mean, okay, if you don't know it,
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  cool, let's talk about that.
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  But if you resist it, you're literally going to be back there while the rest
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  of the world moves forward. Yeah.
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  I think, and you raise a good point. And I think that what, what a lot of people,
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  myself included, well, back in the day, we are so used to what we know. Right.
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  So growing up, right. Cause I, you know, I'm, I'm 48. So growing up,
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  we were just always told it's your male or female. Right.
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  So what I think happened is that, and please debate this back and forth with
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  me, what I think happened is when you are known to hear something that's just
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  one or the other, and then all of a sudden you hear.
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  That there's more of it, I think the initial reaction is, well, I'm not wrong.
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  That's what they said. They've always said that. So they assume,
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  myself included, we assume that, well, what are you trying to do?
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  You're trying to reinvent the wheel you're trying to change the way the way
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  we we we know the the way that we know uh our sex is you know our gender is,
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  so i guess my first question to you is i think i think what i want to go with is this,
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  what you're basically implying or saying i'm implying saying is that when I was born, I was born, uh,
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  you know, a male because of my quote unquote genitalia.
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  And I know we're going to go in different directions here, right? Right. That.
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  What you're basically saying is, is that an accurate statement or scientifically
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  could it have been, you're just, this is where I get a little confused as to
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  where the follow-up question would be.
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  What is it, what is the difference between, you know, because when you tell,
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  like, I have two little kids, you know this, right?
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  So I always, they always, they're already at that age. They're like,
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  you know, how do I know if I'm a boy or I'm a girl?
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  And I was always taught and I'm teaching it to my kids. Well,
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  you know, a little boy has a male part and a girl has a girl part.
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  And that's the difference.
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  And are we saying now, or is the transgender community saying that is an inaccurate response?
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  Well, first off, I'm never going to tell you how to raise your kids.
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  I agree. I put that out there for the record. I put that out there.
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  I'm just saying. No, thank you for that. How to raise your kids.
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  That's number one. Number two, think of it this way.
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  Sex is what you physically are. like maybe that's not the right way sex is what
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  you're assigned at birth gender is what you.
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  Feel? Feel is such a loose word.
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  Like, I didn't all of a sudden wake up and be like, yeah, I think I want to be trans.
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  Right. Like, you know what I mean? Right, right. It's such a,
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  like, I remember being four years old and like, something isn't,
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  right. I want to play with the Easy Bake Oven that my cousin Lynn has.
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  But why do I also want to play with G.I. Joe? But I'm going to let my cousin
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  D over there, he can go outside and play with the boys. I want to play Barbies with the girls.
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  Why? Oh, I just like feminine stuff. Cool. Okay, cool.
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  And then, and I distinctly remember this, my friend Megan, I was 10 years old.
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  My friend Megan was having a sleepover and I hung out with a group of guys and
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  a group of girls. The only time we would mix in is when it was like summertime
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  late at night and we would play like, it's really hide and seek, but we called it Jason.
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  So you'd run around the whole neighborhood and you'd hide under bushes and stuff
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  like that and if they find you tag you're it you gotta go home,
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  um Megan had a sleepover with all the girls and I couldn't go and I was like well I wish I was a girl,
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  And then I think I was 12. I'm not going to say his name because I'm still friends with him.
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  We'll change the name. We'll change the name. Make up a name.
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  I can't because I know so many people with different names. Okay.
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  So you know what? We'll just use X.
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  So X. So my friend X, I had to have been 12.
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  We were sleeping over. I have weird like memory. Yeah. It's like really specific.
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  And then like it's not. I think I was 12.
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  We were sleeping downstairs in my living room I lived in an apartment with my
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  mother and half brother and Santa.
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  I was on the couch he made me go on the couch he's like it's your house you
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  go on the couch he was on the floor my friend Adam was on the floor too those were three of us,
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  and I remember oh why did I say Adam's name don't worry we'll edit that out
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  no you can you can you can leave it so my friend X he like,
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  looks at me and goes if you were a girl I'd date you I was like, what? You're 12.
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  What do we know about dating? That's what old people do. And then I thought, wait, what?
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  Was I like, I remember the four-year-old thing, and now X is saying this? That's weird.
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  Maybe I'm giving off a vibe. When I was 17, I was watching Joan Rivers.
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  I was so sick. Oh, my gosh. I was so sick.
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  And I was watching Joan Rivers. It was like winter break.
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  And I'm watching it, and all of a sudden, this beautiful woman comes on screen.
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  She's tall, long hair. And I'm like, who the hell is this bitch?
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  And she's like, yeah, I was in a Bond movie and I'm a model and I was in Playboy.
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  I'm like, oh, she's so pretty. She's like, yeah, my name is Tula.
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  And I'm like, oh, beautiful. She's like, yeah, I was born a man.
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  I'm like, well, first of all, how are you born a man? Second of all, what?
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  This was like the 90s. and I'm like wait you could do that you could just go
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  and like change yourself no no way this is weird,
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  and then I got into college and I did I worked at the library at college and
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  I started to do research on the computer,
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  in um we had encyclopedias and I started
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  realizing yeah this is something that it's like watching those infomercials
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  late late at night and you see the symptoms you're like that's me and that was
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  me i was like i'm trans and so,
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  i kind of put it off to the side a little didn't really like do anything with it,
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  and then once i hit a certain age in my 30s i'm gonna say mm-hmm.
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  I was like, you know what? Screw this. I'm going to just do it. I'm just going to do it.
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  So I did it. Okay. So you got, you got, you, you explained it so much better than I've ever had.
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  I talk a lot. I'm very verbose. No, no, no, no. But you explained it very well.
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  But you hit a couple of key points that I want to go back on.
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  Sure. So you, you, a lot of times, and I think a lot of people can agree with this.
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  We always hear the stigma that, okay,
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  the reason why a person decided to change is because they overheard someone
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  or they're being told, you have this opportunity, you have this choice.
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  It's basically being fed to us. And I think the fear is, okay,
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  we're now, you know, if you don't put it out there, these people aren't going to change, right?
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  So before we go to that part, let's go back to four. You're four years old.
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  Right and you say why am i going to play with the easy bake oven but here's
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  the thing that i can counter this with.
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  When i was a kid i have two brothers a sister and i wanted to play with the
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  barbies too right i did now with me it was more of i like professional wrestling
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  with the fake wrestling right,
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  and i loved taking the barbies and smashing them around but i loved playing
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  with the barbie does they they were they were cooler,
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  stuff back then i think that yeah But then I, you know, I played He-Man, I played all that.
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  But so we can't assume also that just because,
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  and I didn't say you did, but we can't assume that because a child or a teenager
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  wants to play with a more feminine or slash male thing, like we know that the term tomboy, right?
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  Which, you know, I've dated many tomboys. I think they're, it's cool.
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  We can't assume that that doesn't mean that that person is going to be transgender.
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  It just means that that's just their preference.
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  You can have a person that's feminine and still be straight.
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  Can I say it that way? Is that accurate without being disrespectful?
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  Feminine yes yeah sorry no that's okay i mean like so what i'm getting at is
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  in your story that's how it happened,
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  in your story more like i was playing with barbie because i wanted to be barbie
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  it wasn't like i was playing with barbie because i want to smash her head i
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  wanted to straighten her hair and braid it and change her clothes
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  and i thought god,
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  and i remember i was like hmm,
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  i wish i could do that i wish i had long hair right and then in.
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  1989 it was the year of the red that's what i call it the year of red right julia roberts in um,
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  what do you call it pretty woman or steel magnum no pretty woman pretty woman
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  oh yeah i remember that then it was robin lively and teen witch and then ariel
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  in little mermaid i was like i want red hair right and green eyes And I want it now.
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  And I couldn't get it. And you know, it's funny is that this,
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  we go down the path now and I want to hit one more, one more point before I get into that one.
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  You said on Joan Rivers, you saw someone who clearly stated that they were born
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  a male and they were now living a life as a female, unless they made the change.
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  I don't know where they were, but this is where the, this is a talking point
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  that I guarantee we're going to get hammered on.
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  They're going to say, you see, she saw it on TV.
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  So that's what made her change. No. Okay. I saw it on TV at 17 after all these
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  questions from the time of four. Right, right.
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  And I didn't, I'm going to be 100%.
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  I remember dressing up in one of my mother's dresses.
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  Right. And I spun around and it had like, you know how skirts do that?
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  And I was like, oh my God, that's so cool.
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  And my mother caught me and she's like, get out of my dress.
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  You're not supposed to do that. Spank me.
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  And I was like oh that's weird I really like that dress right and.
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  I want to say for about two years, I would sneak into her closet and wear her
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  dress and her shoes when she wasn't home.
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  So you clearly have... And I was like 12. Yeah, you clearly had,
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  you know, you knew what direction you were going in.
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  You didn't really know your words, right? But you knew something was...
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  And I don't want to say the word off. You knew there was something different.
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  Different. I did not know. And another thing, I did not have... Did I have a gay friend?
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  I think i was the only out person that i knew,
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  my whole life until i want to say college well you talk about the 90s i think
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  at that time i can say safely on my end if you knew somebody you thought was
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  you just didn't talk about it nope and it was weird i don't know it's weird
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  to talk about that like that now,
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  but it was it was just you just didn't bring it up like people knew what's crazy,
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  Trans people have been in existence, if you do the research,
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  since the 1800s. Well, yeah, a lot of plays, too. Like, what the hell? Yeah.
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  Christine Jorgensen, she was the first really publicized trans person.
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  Blonde hair, blue eyes. She served the military. Gorgeous. She had money.
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  I'm pretty sure she got bottom surgery.
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  And then there was another woman named Lily Erb. She had bottom surgery,
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  but then she went back and had another surgery where she wanted to have kids,
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  and that's what killed her. Wow. She got greedy.
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  There was a very little-known black trans woman named Frances Thompson,
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  who during the Memphis riots was assaulted by three white guys that were just
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  looking for shelter, assaulted her, assaulted her friend Lucy.
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  After the Memphis riots, Francis went to the police and said,
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  these men assaulted me. And they said, you're a man in drag.
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  It was an assault. And she's like, yes, it was. I'm going to take it to the
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  Supreme Court. They sued her.
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  And she got put in jail. Yeah. For reporting a crime.
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  It's amazing. People have been around forever. But have we been out?
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  Have we been public? Absolutely not. I think it's, I think people fear the unknown.
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  I think people fear something different. I, and here's a great example.
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  If a Martian came down tomorrow, we're going to do the same thing.
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  We're going to look at the Martian and say, I don't know, you know,
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  and the Martian could come down and be a duplicate of what we look like.
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  And you'd still say, well, but you know, but they're a Martian.
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  So I think it's the unknown. And I think what turned me into a more positive,
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  outlook about everything is just talking with people, you know?
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  And I think the fear that I had was the same. I'm going to use,
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  I'm going to use spiritual on this.
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  The same way people say, oh, he's preaching about God. He's trying to convert me.
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  It's the same thing. People always say that. Well, I don't want to get too close
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  because they're going to try to convert me. Right.
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  But exactly. Exactly. Right. But here's the thing. You just want to live your life. That's it.
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  That's it. And that's it. And I think that's where I think why this episode
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  and why we started this series is the jumping point into very easily getting into an understanding.
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  Of how we live.
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  Yes, listen, there's no secret. You know that I'm preaching.
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  You know that I live my life. I try to live my life by the Bible.
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  It's not easy. I'm not going to say that.
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  That, but I've never judged you since the day I met you.
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  I've never questioned you, but you've been always very open allowing me to ask questions.
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  But this is where I think we together can help change people's way of thinking.
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  And when I say change, because I know people are going to be like, oh, here we goes.
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  No, what I mean by that is here's a great example of two people that live two separate lives.
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  We get along. We have a blast. We go on lives together. We have a good time.
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  We laugh, we talk, we ask questions, and there's nobody here trying to force
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  her to church, force me into the community.
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  No, it's just two friends getting together, and we both live our own life.
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  So this is where, why I said to you, you got to come on the show,
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  because I think people really need to understand that. Now, nobody is telling,
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  our audience at Half Faith, Let It Begin, or any audience for that matter.
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  You have to agree with it.
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  But you should respect it. No, no. But you do have to respect the individuals.
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  That's what we're here for.
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  You don't have to agree with the way Emmy lives her life, but you definitely
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  have to respect her because she's a human being.
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  That's it. And I'm not bothering you. No.
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  You know what I mean? I and me and you, I'm not going to say we've come a long
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  way because we haven't come a long way.
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  But when we first met, I was like, who is this guy?
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  It's the first time you've said that to me Because I don't I'm weary about strangers
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  You know this now I'm just like who is this girl And then the more and more
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  we talked And we're in live together I was like I love him.
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  I really love him We have fun And now it's like That's just pastor.
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  That's it And we have a great time And you know you've asked me many questions,
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  and i've given you the most honest answers i can that to my knowledge and if
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  i don't know something i gotta i gotta go to the source or if i can't speak
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  to it i'll say listen i gotta i gotta get back to you because i don't know,
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  right so this is why i'm gonna like because we this is only part one we got
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  many parts to go right wait what,
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  surprise we got many parts to go so you know before we i think we've we've touched
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  on a good amount to get everybody's feet wet but this is why I want to kind
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  of give everybody a teaser where I want to go next.
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  And this is on both parts, spiritual and the transgender community.
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  There's always a bad apple. Yes. And I think what bothers me from my perspective,
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  if I go in, like I've gone into a live when somebody's clearly,
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  there's a girl that's on our live on TikTok.
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  Her name is emily i was just flipping through and i see this girl,
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  didn't know she was trans transgender but i just see a girl,
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  you know tomo right emily yeah so she was getting yes she was getting trashed
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  from somebody that clearly stated that they were christian and they kept bashing
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  her and it was offensive to me because you can't speak for all christianity,
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  so i jumped in the live and i defended her not knowing she was transgender they
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  were i thought they were just trashing her And then when I found out,
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  they thought I was going to flip.
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  And I said, no, it just, that's a human being. It's a person.
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  And for anyone to use scripture, and we all interpret scripture differently.
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  And I understand there's many scriptures that say you shouldn't do this and
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  you shouldn't do that. We're not going to go down that path.
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  But we know on my end there is.
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  But it also states you have to love your neighbor as you love yourself.
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  So you can't do one and not the other. And that's why I jumped in live. And for me, it's like.
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  But God is the only person that can judge anybody on this planet.
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  What are you thinking? Are you saying that you're God because you're judging me? Right.
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  I don't like that. Right. You're not God. Don't judge me. Mind your business.
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  Pay your own bills. I got my bills. I'm paying them. You want to pay my bills.
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  Caller number one. We're going to take callers up to this. No.
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  Me and Ben. Me and Ben. Remember. Yeah. But, you know, listen,
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  this is I think it's a great way to start our series. And, you know, Emmy will be back.
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  We're not going to stop. We're going to keep doing this because we want the
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  open lines of communication to be a part.
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  So for me, we're going to that section will be eventually called faith and listening,
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  you know, because for me, my faith has to shape how I treat the person in front of me.
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  And it asks something of me in my everyday actions, in my words,
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  in my patience, and my willingness to listen.
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  Now, do I know that there will be people that will probably be,
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  defriend me or unfriend me or whatever that is, or judge me for having you on? That is okay.
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  Because everybody has a right to change the channel and that does not offend
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  me. And everybody wants to say what they want to say to Emmy for maybe even speaking with me.
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  You know it is what it is so look I just want to say this as my final word to
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  you so before we close I want to give you the last word on your story is there
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  anything that I haven't asked you so far on part one
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  that you want people to hear and what,
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  would you say to someone who feels judged before they had a chance to be known.
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  I just want people to know if you have a trans person in your life,
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  get to know them as a person first and then trans later.
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  Oh, that's a good one. Because I'm a whole human being. When we go live,
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  how many times do I mention that I'm trans? Yeah. How many?
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  Angel. It's the other people mention it more than I do. Yeah,
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  you don't bring it up. The only time it ever came up is when we're talking about
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  nostalgia and I brought up Transformers and that was a bad thing.
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  That's an inside joke. And we'll have to bring that up at another time.
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  Anyway, that's an inside joke. But no, yes, you don't bring it up.
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  It's a total inside joke. Yes.
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  You don't bring it up. I think that's what happens.
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  I think, and you brought up a great point. I want to talk about that later in another episode.
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  I think that there are people that are just uncomfortable with it being in their
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  side, feel like it's being thrown down their throat.
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  When in reality, we just want to live our life. I think all of us just want to live our life.
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  And that's it. And that's it. Well, look, I mean, I adore you.
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  I love you. And I thank you for sharing your time, your perspective,
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  and what you felt comfortable sharing of your life. We're just getting started.
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  So I appreciate your willingness to have this conversation with me.
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  Now, to everyone listening, I began this episode by acknowledging an attitude that I once held.
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  I share that because I know how much we can miss when we turn away from people
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  before we've heard them.
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  My hope for this series is that we'll keep making room to listen,
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  to ask thoughtful questions, and to examine our own hearts.
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  Here's your one more step for
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  today. When you notice yourself making an assumption about someone, pause.
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  Give yourself a chance to hear their story because their story may just surprise you.
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  On behalf of all of us here at Have Faith, Let It Begin, on behalf of Emmy, we say thank you.
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  Real people, real stories, and sometimes we even deal with a little bit of our faith.
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  And for now, we're just getting started.
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  So keep listening, keep communicating, and never forget, Have Faith, Let It Begin.
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  Have faith.
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  Let it.