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40 Years Navigating Two Worlds, with Dr. Greg Yuen | Ship's Log #42 · Project Candor: Ordinary People. Unexpected Stories

• 0:03
  Dr. Greg Yuen: The basic point of the win is to become mindful of your body.
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  Dr. Greg Yuen: Connect your mind to your body.
• 0:11
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay?
• 0:12
  Dr. Greg Yuen: What does that mean?
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  Dr. Greg Yuen: On a particular point, if you focus there, the qi is going to gather.
• 0:18
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And if you get into the habit of connecting your mind to every point in your body, the qi is going to be circulating everywhere.
• 0:26
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And you're going to be at your top of health if you get that qi flowing everywhere in your whole body.
• 0:33
  Jeanne: Welcome to Project Candor, where ordinary people share unexpected stories.
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  Jeanne: I'm your host, Jeanne Andersen, and today's guest has spent more than four decades crossing the boundaries between Western medicine and ancient Eastern healing, driven by a vow he made to himself at the age of 12.
• 0:51
  Jeanne: After his grandmother died when he was 12, Dr.
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  Jeanne: Greg Ewen handled his fear of death by vowing to find the secret to longevity.
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  Jeanne: And now, after more than 40 years as a psychiatrist, Tai Chi instructor, and massage therapist, he is committed to sharing the practice of dough in mindful self-massage for radiant vitality.
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  Jeanne: Dr.
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  Jeanne: Yuan, welcome to Project Candor.
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  Dr. Greg Yuen: Thank you for having me, Jeanne.
• 1:21
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I'm really happy to be here today.
• 1:23
  Jeanne: Yeah, it's gonna be so great to ask you some deep diving questions because I've talked to you before, but I haven't been able to ask you some of the burning questions I have for you.
• 1:33
  Jeanne: So we'll get started right now with questions.
• 1:35
  Jeanne: Is that good?
• 1:36
  Dr. Greg Yuen: That's great.
• 1:36
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Wonderful.
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  Jeanne: You ready to go?
• 1:38
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Yes, let's do it.
• 1:40
  Jeanne: Okay.
• 1:40
  Jeanne: You were 12 years old when your grandmother died, and instead of just grieving, you made a vow to figure out the secret to longevity.
• 1:50
  Jeanne: What was happening inside you at that age?
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  Jeanne: You were very young.
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  Jeanne: And how did that moment plant the seed for everything that followed?
• 1:59
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Well, I was living away from my grandmother, but we spent some time together when I lived in her home.
• 2:08
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And as the oldest grandson in the family with a family name, I was kind of put at a special spot in the family.
• 2:17
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I was like confronted like with her funeral.
• 2:21
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I had to do special kind of uh things like put paper money on her coffin and go to her uh uh room and touch her pillowcase to say goodbye, and it was kind of special gestures, you know.
• 2:34
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But what hit me most was that if she was gonna die, that at some point in my life I was gonna die, and I was really freaking out with that, wondering what death was gonna be like.
• 2:47
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And uh had a hard time with that.
• 2:49
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I had a hard time with that.
• 2:51
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Um I ended up eating a lot of uh Snickers bars to deal with that emotional upheaval, honestly, to deal with it.
• 3:00
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And uh, you know, over the years I've come to better terms with it all.
• 3:06
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But way back when I said, hey, you know, I want to I want to live forever.
• 3:12
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I want to find the secret to this, man.
• 3:14
  Dr. Greg Yuen: There's gotta be some way out of this, you know.
• 3:16
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So looking back, it's a bit naive to think that, you know, because everybody that I've known has not lived forever.
• 3:24
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But back then, I just decided I'm gonna find that secret.
• 3:27
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So that's what I launched myself into.
• 3:30
  Jeanne: Well, that's pretty heavy for a 12-year-old to make you do all those rituals because I remember my mom died when I was 16, and I didn't want to see her in the coffin.
• 3:40
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Oh, yeah.
• 3:41
  Jeanne: They made me go once, and then I wouldn't go again because it just I just couldn't handle it.
• 3:48
  Jeanne: And I was 16, you were 12.
• 3:50
  Jeanne: So why do you put money on a person's coffin?
• 3:54
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Well, it's sort of like uh you're giving them riches for the afterlife in that way, the Chinese and we we would burn that money, and then it would kind of go into the spiritual realm for them, and that's kind of the the idea of it.
• 4:08
  Jeanne: Oh, wow, that's an interesting ritual, but it's for a 12-year-old, that's gotta have been impactful.
• 4:14
  Jeanne: Like, oh, what am I doing?
• 4:15
  Jeanne: Yeah, this is heavy, and then touching the pillow?
• 4:19
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Yeah, I think it was more like kind of getting in touch with her in the as close a way as you can, intimately, and just saying sort of goodbye, like my final goodbye to her, just making contact that way.
• 4:32
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I I I really didn't understand it.
• 4:34
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I was just told to do it, you know, kind of thing.
• 4:36
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It just makes sense that that might be the way to understand what was what it was for, you know.
• 4:42
  Jeanne: Yeah, I guess it was intimate because that's where her head would lie and you know, touching the pillow.
• 4:47
  Jeanne: Wow, that's heavy.
• 4:48
  Jeanne: So let's go to question two.
• 4:50
  Jeanne: But I it's interesting that that would trigger something in you to eat Snickers bars.
• 4:56
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Well, I didn't I didn't know how else to deal with it, you know, kind of thing.
• 5:00
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I guess I grew up, my mom used to bake a lot of cookies and so forth, so maybe I got into sweets a bit, and that was my way of getting comfort, you know.
• 5:10
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I think maybe that's how I, you know, used the bars to give me some comfort through the difficult time.
• 5:16
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And I didn't even talk to my parents about it, honestly, what I was going through.
• 5:19
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I just handled it on my own, you know.
• 5:21
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Oh, wow.
• 5:23
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Yeah, that was tough.
• 5:24
  Dr. Greg Yuen: That probably was tough.
• 5:25
  Jeanne: That is very tough.
• 5:26
  Jeanne: But Snickers bars, that's one of my favorite ones.
• 5:29
  Jeanne: I have to stay away from them.
• 5:30
  Jeanne: So um, yeah, they're just good all over.
• 5:34
  Jeanne: It's got everything in it karma, peanuts, chocolate.
• 5:39
  Dr. Greg Yuen: We can resonate with each other.
• 5:41
  Jeanne: Yeah, exactly.
• 5:42
  Jeanne: Yeah, that's the candy uh like you know, you buy at the store for Halloween when you have trick-or-treaters, and you're like, um, get me a bag that has Snickers in it, because if they don't take it, then I can eat them.
• 5:54
  Jeanne: Uh let's move on to question two.
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  Jeanne: So um, you worked as a psychiatrist, a Tai Chi instructor, a massage therapist.
• 6:06
  Jeanne: So, how did these disciplines gradually come together into a deeper understanding of the mind-body connection?
• 6:13
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Hmm.
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  Dr. Greg Yuen: Interesting question.
• 6:15
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I guess it really started more with psych I was studying psychology in college, so I was kind of getting into the mind kind of thing.
• 6:25
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And then while I was in college, I started uh learning qi gong, which is basically to help cultivate your vital force or energy, and it was kind of a more natural way of dealing with health.
• 6:40
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And eventually, after I'd been learning qigong for some years, I started learning tai chi and became uh an instructor on my own.
• 6:49
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Back around that same time while I was in college, I recognized that I enjoyed sort of petting cats and animals and so forth, and I realized that, hey, I have this kind of knack for massage.
• 7:03
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I kind of like that feeling of petting things and all that.
• 7:07
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So uh I wandered down the street, I happened upon this uh massage studio, and this uh gentleman, Stanley Burroughs, who's quite well known if you look him up, uh, was here in Hawaii and he turned me on to massage and reflexology of his own kind.
• 7:26
  Dr. Greg Yuen: He called it Vitaflex at that time, and I decided to get a massage license.
• 7:32
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So all through my medical experience, I was never really big on using medication for help.
• 7:40
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I was really kind of more leaning towards the natural approaches to things.
• 7:44
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But as I turned out, as a psychiatrist, I spent a lot of time prescribing a lot of pharmaceuticals.
• 7:50
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So in my work, I prescribed a lot of medications, but in my own personal life, I stayed away from medications most of the time.
• 7:58
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Hardly at all.
• 8:01
  Jeanne: Well, you have to you said you like to pet cats and dogs and stuff, and they respond almost immediately to touch when you're they love it.
• 8:11
  Dr. Greg Yuen: They love it.
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  Dr. Greg Yuen: I when we had a cat named uh uh Sammy, she would want to sleep with me on the bed because I was always petting here at the time, you know.
• 8:23
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I mean, I know they love it, you know.
• 8:25
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I just it's a good connection.
• 8:27
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I love to do it, they love it.
• 8:28
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's a great connection.
• 8:30
  Jeanne: Yeah, it's so funny because that's just the way I get my dogs to like me.
• 8:34
  Jeanne: My husband's like, why do they all like you?
• 8:36
  Jeanne: Because I like massage their like hips and I massage their feet.
• 8:41
  Dr. Greg Yuen: They love it, you know?
• 8:42
  Jeanne: Yeah, they just roll over like, yay, it's her again.
• 8:46
  Jeanne: So you live in Hawaii.
• 8:49
  Jeanne: I didn't even really talk a lot about that.
• 8:52
  Jeanne: So that's um interesting too, because that's where even hula is expressive.
• 8:59
  Jeanne: The native dance is expressive to for emotional as well as physical.
• 9:06
  Jeanne: You know, they like to bring out a lot of emotions as they're moving hips and swinging arms.
• 9:12
  Jeanne: I mean, I tried to take a hula class when I was in the Navy, but it just didn't resonate too well with me.
• 9:17
  Jeanne: But uh, how is it living in Hawaii um doing this?
• 9:22
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Is this like very well accepted there as far as Tai Chi and Yeah, we have a lot of Asians living in Hawaii, so there's a Asian culture.
• 9:32
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Like I grew up going to uh theaters and watching samurai movies.
• 9:36
  Dr. Greg Yuen: That was kind of like the weekly thing with me and my dad and family and all that.
• 9:40
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I grew up, I had my own kendo sword, which is the practice bamboo sword.
• 9:45
  Dr. Greg Yuen: They're fighting, and I have, you know, I and I took karate when I was a kid, you know.
• 9:50
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So it's it's part of the culture here to get into martial arts and kind of have an Asian slant on a lot of things, you know.
• 9:57
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So easily Tai Chi, there's you know a lot of Tai Chi schools here, and uh so it was easy for me to get into that.
• 10:05
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And I think that the Asian culture is more amenable to natural ways of healing rather than just using pharmaceuticals.
• 10:14
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You know, they use herbs, uh they use massage and uh different you know, acupuncture, that kind of thing.
• 10:21
  Jeanne: Right.
• 10:22
  Jeanne: When I lived there, I did take Kempo karate.
• 10:25
  Jeanne: I'm not gonna say I did very great in my belt, but I did take it and I loved it.
• 10:29
  Jeanne: And then that was where I got my first acupuncture um treatment, and man, that was so fantastic.
• 10:37
  Jeanne: I've never found anybody in the mainland that can do anything like it.
• 10:41
  Jeanne: What I got there was just phenomenal.
• 10:44
  Jeanne: So I can see how you could, you know, just kind of like that could be your lifestyle as you live there.
• 10:50
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Well, I'm glad you're excited about acupuncture because my work in Dao Yin is all about you activating that energy on your own without the need of an acupuncturist.
• 11:02
  Dr. Greg Yuen: That's the whole idea of what this dough is all about, you know.
• 11:06
  Jeanne: Oh, that's wonderful.
• 11:08
  Jeanne: So I was getting ready to ask in my next question for you to tell us that.
• 11:12
  Jeanne: So for listeners hearing about this for the first time, what exactly is Dao Yin and how does it differ from other forms of massage or body awareness practices?
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  Dr. Greg Yuen: Right.
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  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 11:22
  Jeanne: So that was perfect.
• 11:23
  Jeanne: So let's hear more about that.
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  Dr. Greg Yuen: So Dao Yin is actually a Japanese term and it's derived from the Chinese, they called it Dao Yin.
• 11:32
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And Dao Yin, uh, they have manuscripts going back 2,000 years old.
• 11:37
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So it's been around a long time.
• 11:39
  Dr. Greg Yuen: The full scope of Dao Yin is not just self-massage, it includes like um movement exercises, kind of like qigong or tai chi in a way, movement.
• 11:51
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But um, I kind of learned the discipline of Dao Yin through the uh discipline of macrobiotics, which is a dietary regimen using natural principles of yin and yang to determine how what how you eat to be healthy.
• 12:07
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But they on the side they did this dough-in self-massage practice.
• 12:12
  Dr. Greg Yuen: They included a little bit of movement in their practice, but I've kind of narrowed it down to basically just self-massage.
• 12:20
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So basically, what it's all about is you being able to massage your whole body on your own.
• 12:27
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And why is that important?
• 12:29
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's important because in the Tai Chi classics, they say where your mind goes, your qi goes, your vital force goes.
• 12:39
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 12:40
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So when you do qigong, you do yoga, or if you do tai chi, you will cultivate the vital force.
• 12:48
  Dr. Greg Yuen: The vital force will be more plentiful.
• 12:50
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 12:50
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Why I like Dao Yin and why I think it's so special is that when you massage yourself down deep to your bones, the qi is going to penetrate more deeply down to the bones.
• 13:02
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You'll be assured that it will do that.
• 13:05
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 13:06
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And if you do this to your whole body, you'll get this vital force flowing through your whole body, and it'll just make you fully alive through your whole body.
• 13:15
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 13:16
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You want to try something with me right now?
• 13:19
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And uh maybe this would be a good example for the audience.
• 13:23
  Jeanne: Yeah, that's fine as long as it doesn't distort me into contort me.
• 13:29
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Just rub your hands together.
• 13:30
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Just rub your hands together, Jeanne.
• 13:32
  Jeanne: Okay.
• 13:33
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 13:33
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And get it kind of hot and warm.
• 13:36
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 13:37
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 13:37
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay, then pull it apart, pull it apart, and try to notice what you feel in between your hands.
• 13:45
  Jeanne: Like a tingling, but not really not tingling as much as like a vibration.
• 13:51
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay, okay.
• 13:52
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Well, there's a lot of ways to describe it.
• 13:54
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's not so easy to describe, but what you're feeling is the vital force, the qi.
• 13:59
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 14:00
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But you notice you have to do all that rubbing and whatever to get that to come to the surface.
• 14:05
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 14:05
  Dr. Greg Yuen: When you practice tai chi or yoga or qigong, or in this case, Dao Yin, you can get to the place to train yourself to get to that feeling so that you can just hold your hand out, put your awareness to your palm, and you start to feel that tingling, that buzzing, that sensation in your hand.
• 14:28
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But it takes a little bit of training to get you there to that point.
• 14:32
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 14:33
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So after 40 years of my own training of Tai Chi and Do Win, I've got to the point where I can get that feeling in my whole body.
• 14:46
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I can get kind of go like bzz.
• 14:51
  Jeanne: Oh wow.
• 14:52
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Feel it.
• 14:52
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And so basically, I can sort of fill my body full of qi, this energy, like my skin is like the skin of a balloon, and I fill it up like air filling a balloon.
• 15:07
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 15:08
  Jeanne: Wow.
• 15:09
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And the benefit of that, the long-term benefit, is longevity, because most diseases, according to Chinese medicine, are caused by a blockage in the flow of that qi or an imbalance in the flow of that qi.
• 15:24
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So if you can get that flow going well within you and have it be balanced automatically, you're going to be at optimal health.
• 15:33
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You see.
• 15:33
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And you'll sleep better, you'll get better energy, you'll be able to deal with stress.
• 15:39
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Aches and pains will get just reduced.
• 15:42
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Most chronic diseases, I believe, will be better symptomatically if you do regular dough-in self-massage.
• 15:51
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And that's what I'm all about.
• 15:53
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Trying to spread the word about this.
• 15:55
  Jeanne: Yeah, well, I need it.
• 15:56
  Jeanne: I definitely need it.
• 15:57
  Jeanne: Well, it's so interesting when you're talking about it.
• 16:02
  Jeanne: Does this help with just, you know, the basics, you know, like help helping you feel more energetic and sleep better and, you know, deal with pain.
• 16:12
  Jeanne: But how about if you have uh an affliction or somebody has said, you know, we did test and you have cancer?
• 16:20
  Jeanne: That's the big C word everybody talks about.
• 16:22
  Jeanne: Does this help with that?
• 16:23
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 16:24
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Well, I can't say that this is going to reverse your cancer diagnosis or your cancer condition.
• 16:30
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And I don't have enough experience working with people who do it regularly to really see the effects.
• 16:36
  Dr. Greg Yuen: That's why I'm really glad to be on this podcast because I'm looking for warriors out there that wanna defeat their illness and their their bad health conditions, to regularly use this tool to help them at least minimize, reduce, or even overcome whatever they're afflicted by.
• 16:54
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 16:55
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So what I say about cancer is that if you do regular dough-in mindful self-massage, whatever you're feeling, whether it's pain or discomfort or malaise, just fatigue or whatever, you're gonna get more comfort through it.
• 17:10
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay?
• 17:11
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 17:12
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It would be great if it would totally reverse things.
• 17:15
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I I won't say that, you know.
• 17:16
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I don't think it's a good idea for you to say that.
• 17:18
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You gotta work with your doctors.
• 17:20
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But what I would say is you're gonna get more comfort, and whatever you're going through is going to be easier for you.
• 17:27
  Jeanne: Okay.
• 17:27
  Jeanne: Yeah, well, that's what I just wondered because there's a lot of um people that go through various illnesses and you know don't know what to do because they're taking a lot of medications, and um, but at least if this could help them relax right during some of those things.
• 17:43
  Jeanne: Like I, you know, chemotherapy is pretty tough.
• 17:46
  Jeanne: I've had friends going through that, and um that just weakens your body physically.
• 17:52
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Oh gosh, in so many ways, so many ways, yeah.
• 17:54
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Yeah, I'm really appealing to people that have tried the medical approach, as though in is a self-healing approach, devoid of medications and so forth.
• 18:05
  Dr. Greg Yuen: He's really trying to heal yourself, really gaining to the source of your vitality, the qi, you know, cultivating that energy, that healing energy.
• 18:17
  Dr. Greg Yuen: This is what the acupuncturists are trying to balance with the needles, trying to balance it.
• 18:21
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You can do it yourself.
• 18:23
  Jeanne: Yeah, that'd be good because there's no good acupuncturist around here.
• 18:26
  Jeanne: Yeah, I have looked.
• 18:28
  Jeanne: I even they used to have a reflexology place here, but that closed down.
• 18:33
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Yeah, okay.
• 18:34
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I'm offering workshops, so maybe that might be something we could can do at some point, you know?
• 18:41
  Jeanne: Yeah, that'd be great.
• 18:42
  Jeanne: That'd be great.
• 18:43
  Jeanne: So bringing an ancient uh body-based healing practice into the world that often defaults to prescriptions and procedures and surgeries isn't easy.
• 18:56
  Jeanne: So, where have you hit the hardest walls and what keeps you moving through them?
• 19:01
  Jeanne: Because you just touched on that a little bit, that you you're not there for medical, like cancer or that's the only thing that comes to mind right now.
• 19:08
  Jeanne: But you know, for a medical condition, right?
• 19:11
  Jeanne: So, what is the hardest thing you deal with in this practice?
• 19:16
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I think the toughest thing to deal with is like anything else, people know what they ought to do, but they don't do it.
• 19:23
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You know, and people know that eating well and exercising is good for them.
• 19:28
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But a lot of people still they want the fast method, they want the silver bullet that's gonna do it.
• 19:35
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I would say that Dao Yin is a tool that if they use it regularly and consistently in the long run, they're gonna get quite a lot of benefit.
• 19:45
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Because think of it this way every day you have a choice, you're either gonna choose an activity that's gonna lead to better health, or an activity that will not lead to better health.
• 19:58
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 19:58
  Dr. Greg Yuen: If you consistently choose an activity that's gonna lead to good health, you're gonna get there eventually.
• 20:05
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay, it may it's not gonna be overnight, but you've got to put a little bit of the work in to get it there.
• 20:11
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I think that to me is the biggest hurdle, is just I mean, even the people that take my workshop, when I check in with them later, they're not doing dough-in the way that I would like them to do Dao Yin.
• 20:24
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I mean, because I believe in this what I call the principle of the whole.
• 20:28
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You want to do the whole body, okay?
• 20:31
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And most people, you know, they get a little eight campaigns, they'll do a little bit of the techniques we learned, they learn in the Dao Yin workshop, but they don't go back to doing the whole body.
• 20:41
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Why do I want to do the whole body?
• 20:43
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Because you take the Greek word holos, H O L O S, okay?
• 20:48
  Dr. Greg Yuen: That is the derivative for the word whole, W-H-O-L-E, the word health, H-E-A-L-T-H, and the word holy, H-O-L-Y.
• 21:00
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So when you keep the whole in mind, you're gonna be healthy and holy.
• 21:06
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay, so in my practice, I'm recommending they use this massage tool called a back knobber.
• 21:12
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's an S-shaped massage tool.
• 21:15
  Dr. Greg Yuen: They can massage their backs because otherwise they only have access to the front of their body and they're not doing the whole, which it does include the back.
• 21:23
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And there's important points, acupuncture points in your back along both sides of your spine, okay, on the same levels on the back, correspond to what's in the front of your body.
• 21:35
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So those points at the same level in your back are stimulating all your organs in the front of your body.
• 21:41
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's really a good stimulation.
• 21:42
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's one of my brief protocols in the uh douin class that I teach.
• 21:47
  Jeanne: I have had something called a trigger point cane.
• 21:51
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Right.
• 21:51
  Jeanne: And that's is that similar?
• 21:54
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's similar, yeah.
• 21:55
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Similar because you're trying to get in the back of your body, you know.
• 21:58
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Yeah, it's it's a really good.
• 21:59
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And I recommend doing both sides of your spine, not right on your spine, from the top of your shoulders all the way down to your tailbone.
• 22:09
  Dr. Greg Yuen: That's a great practice to do on a regular basis.
• 22:12
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But again, it's only what I call a brief protocol.
• 22:15
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I still believe, imagine doing your whole body, getting your whole body alive by awakening that energy every day.
• 22:25
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And if you do it, it'll take maybe 20 to 30 minutes after you kind of know the sequence.
• 22:30
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You'll be able to get it down pat in that amount of time, you know?
• 22:34
  Jeanne: Yeah, that sounds interesting.
• 22:35
  Jeanne: So let's go to this uh like the commercial industry of massage clinics.
• 22:41
  Jeanne: So there's a lot of massage clinics, they're franchised.
• 22:46
  Jeanne: Right.
• 22:47
  Jeanne: You go to those.
• 22:48
  Jeanne: You could pay $70, $80 for one massage, and then you tip, and so you're out a hundred and some bucks.
• 22:56
  Jeanne: And if you add any oil or hot stones, then you're up in $150 to you know to go.
• 23:02
  Jeanne: So help everybody out, like me, who says that I don't want to spend that kind of money.
• 23:08
  Jeanne: And so I go and then I get a different masseuse every time, and they're always arguing about something they want to go out on their own.
• 23:15
  Jeanne: Okay, start their own big franchise, right?
• 23:18
  Jeanne: And you're just like, this is not enjoyable.
• 23:20
  Jeanne: So just help us understand how yours is gonna be the answer to that.
• 23:25
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Well, if you want to save money, though-in is really a way to do that, so you don't have to get massages all the time.
• 23:32
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And in fact, I mean, I'm a licensed massage therapist, so I know what it is about massage therapy and giving and receiving.
• 23:39
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Thing is that if you really get to know your body, you're gonna know it better than any massage therapist.
• 23:46
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It'll take them time to get to know your body.
• 23:49
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And the other thing is to know what depth of pressure to put, if you really learn your body, you will learn the depths that are appropriate for you, how much pressure to use or not use.
• 24:02
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Uh, some of the Thai massages that I've been to, these little ladies are putting so much pressure, and then I'm yelling and telling me to stop, and they won't let up.
• 24:12
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You know what I mean?
• 24:12
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's like they just keep going.
• 24:14
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I don't really agree with that procedure, but for me, I don't mind it because you know it's a whole idea of connecting my discipline of connecting my mind to my body.
• 24:25
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So if they go really, really deep and it's hurting me, hey, maybe my mind needs to get that deep.
• 24:31
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I allowed that to happen, but I don't think that's a good thing for other people to experience, okay?
• 24:36
  Jeanne: Yeah, I've had a bruise on my back before for them going too hard, and I just said, nah, I'm not gonna go anymore.
• 24:44
  Jeanne: But I've gone to a lot of places.
• 24:47
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Right.
• 24:47
  Dr. Greg Yuen: The thing is, is that when you really learn your whole body, you'll discover what we call what I call gold points.
• 24:55
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And I call them gold points because they're valuable, valuable information to you to remember.
• 25:01
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Now, recently I went through a little a bit of a situation where I was having a cough, and I was noticing that the special particular point is called stomach 36, was kind of like more sensitive than usual.
• 25:14
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I'm trying to understand that because how is the stomach related to you know your coughing and you know, it's all Chinese medicine, how how is that all you know related?
• 25:24
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I still don't quite understand the actual dynamics of it, but I ran into an acupuncturist the other day, just happened to, we went to this Buddhist meeting, and I was telling him about my cough, and he was trying to tell me that stomach 36 was a point that could be valuable for and I think there was I discovered it myself by my own doing myself massage.
• 25:50
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I I realized that somehow that point was an important point for that.
• 25:54
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So so it's it's really an interesting discovery, you know, that I was able to see that.
• 25:59
  Jeanne: Well, I don't think I didn't really follow stomach 36.
• 26:02
  Jeanne: What?
• 26:02
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's the acupuncture point.
• 26:04
  Jeanne: Oh, oh, okay.
• 26:05
  Dr. Greg Yuen: When I was talking to him about the cough, he was saying, oh, that point might be a good point for your cough.
• 26:11
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And he had known that I was already kind of alerted about it because when I was feeling that point, there was something unusual about it that never was that like that before.
• 26:23
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You know, I was like, hey, somehow it's related.
• 26:26
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I still not quite clear how it's connected, but he mentioned it, and so gosh, it kind of validated my own discovery, you know?
• 26:34
  Jeanne: Oh, yeah, that's interesting.
• 26:35
  Jeanne: I I of course I don't know.
• 26:37
  Jeanne: I can touch places on my body and relieve certain tensions, but I don't know anything about Dao Yin.
• 26:43
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So Well, but then there might be other areas that you're not aware of so much that only when you press them then you feel kind of a tenderness or a little bit of tension or whatever it may be.
• 26:55
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Otherwise, you're asymptomatic.
• 26:58
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But once you really get to know your body, you'll find some of these goal points that maybe you never really knew before, you know.
• 27:05
  Jeanne: Well, that's sort of like reflexology.
• 27:07
  Jeanne: I've seen that map of your foot, and so supposedly if you touch your big toe, it's supposed to do something, and the side of your foot's supposed to do something else.
• 27:15
  Jeanne: But I've never had anybody do massage like that.
• 27:19
  Jeanne: So I I don't know if it would do anything for me.
• 27:22
  Jeanne: But it it's interesting that it's mapped, and I guess it's the map of your nerves in your body.
• 27:26
  Dr. Greg Yuen: All well, there's a there's a connection, but forgive me, all due respect to reflexology.
• 27:31
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I I'm sure that it has value, but what I again I'm trying to get back to the whole idea of the principle of the whole.
• 27:39
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 27:40
  Jeanne: Ah, okay.
• 27:41
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You can say, you know, reflexologists, well, your hand has a map too.
• 27:45
  Dr. Greg Yuen: This different point for the spine, this is for the stomach, this is for the head, and all that, you know, they're all they have all these sort of representations.
• 27:52
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Even the ear.
• 27:53
  Dr. Greg Yuen: In the ear, the whole ear has like over 200 acupuncture points.
• 27:58
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It corresponds to your whole body as well.
• 28:01
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So you could just just massage your ear and you could get stimulation to your whole body, technically speaking, okay?
• 28:08
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But in spite of the fact that that is probably some truth there, I still believe to the whole body, okay?
• 28:18
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You're not gonna regret it.
• 28:20
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You're gonna get a lot of benefit.
• 28:22
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's a synergistic benefit, okay?
• 28:25
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So, like you can massage your hands, you can smash your feet, you can massage your abdomen.
• 28:29
  Dr. Greg Yuen: That'll be a great stimulation to your whole body.
• 28:32
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But there's a synergistic effect that goes beyond just adding up the parts so that it's gonna be two and two is gonna be greater than four.
• 28:44
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 28:45
  Jeanne: Okay.
• 28:45
  Dr. Greg Yuen: When you do the whole body, there's a synergistic effect.
• 28:48
  Dr. Greg Yuen: The only way you're gonna know about it is by doing it and feeling the difference, you know.
• 28:54
  Jeanne: Well, you also teach Tai Chi, so do you feel like they go hand in hand?
• 28:57
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Oh yeah, I think Tai Chi is very much in line with Dao Yin.
• 29:00
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But as I was trying to say, after my you know, 40 years or more of teaching Tai Chi, I realized Dao Yin is actually more fundamental at cultivating this vital force, this qi, because as I said, when you go deep, it penetrates more deeply, and you get to really experience what that vital force feels like.
• 29:22
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And the more that you can feel it, the more it's gonna be uh accessible to you.
• 29:28
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Because you can kind of train your mind to return to that uh feeling of the energy flowing a lot better.
• 29:35
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You can get benefit from Tai Chi and Yoga and Qigong, but the Dao Yin to me is more fundamental.
• 29:43
  Jeanne: Oh well, that's a good place for us to um kind of break because we're gonna go to play our two truths and a lie here.
• 29:50
  Jeanne: Did you have anything else you wanted to add um just about Dao Yin general or just anything we've discussed?
• 29:56
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Well, the basic point of Dao Yin is to become mindful of your body.
• 30:03
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Connect your mind to your body.
• 30:05
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay, what does that mean?
• 30:07
  Dr. Greg Yuen: On a particular point, if you focus there, the qi is going to gather.
• 30:13
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay?
• 30:13
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And if you get into the habit of connecting your mind to every point in your body, the qi is going to be circulating everywhere.
• 30:22
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And you're gonna be at your top of health if you get that qi flowing everywhere in your whole body.
• 30:28
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So that's what Dao Yin is all about to get you to get to that point.
• 30:32
  Jeanne: That sounds fantastic.
• 30:34
  Jeanne: Well, great, thank you so much.
• 30:36
  Jeanne: This has been so enlightening, and I just enjoy hearing you talk about it.
• 30:40
  Jeanne: I could ask a whole bunch more questions, but I want to play Two Truths and a Lie.
• 30:43
  Jeanne: That's our signature game on Project Candor.
• 30:46
  Jeanne: And so for those listening along, I want to let you know how the game is played.
• 30:51
  Jeanne: The guest has provided me with three headlines from his life.
• 30:55
  Jeanne: Two are true and one is a lie or exaggerated truth or just maybe a little twisted truth, but we won't know until the end of our game.
• 31:05
  Jeanne: I'm gonna read off the headlines, then I'm going to guess which one I think is a lie, and then we're gonna let Greg take us through each of those stories separately, tell us the details behind it, and he won't reveal them, whether it's truth or lie, until the very end.
• 31:19
  Jeanne: So remember that, Greg.
• 31:21
  Jeanne: Don't tell us along the way.
• 31:22
  Jeanne: That's a lie.
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• 32:32
  Jeanne: All right, so here's Dr.
• 32:39
  Jeanne: Greg's Two Truths and a lie.
• 32:41
  Jeanne: Dr.
• 32:41
  Jeanne: Greg Ewan, medical doctor, became a fortune teller.
• 32:45
  Jeanne: That's number one story.
• 32:47
  Jeanne: Number two, while in medical school, a milkbone dog biscuit healed Dr.
• 32:52
  Jeanne: Greg Ewan's staph infection.
• 32:55
  Jeanne: And number three, these sound hilarious.
• 32:57
  Jeanne: As a psychiatrist, Dr.
• 32:59
  Jeanne: Greg Ewan creates transformation through karaoke.
• 33:03
  Jeanne: All right, that's another one thrown in there.
• 33:06
  Jeanne: All right.
• 33:06
  Jeanne: So I'm gonna guess that number two is a lie, because what would a milk bone dog biscuit do to help a staph infection?
• 33:16
  Jeanne: But don't tell me if it's true or not.
• 33:19
  Jeanne: Uh you go through the story, starting with number one.
• 33:22
  Jeanne: Tell us about being a fortune teller.
• 33:24
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay, well, I was kind of uh well into my career as a psychiatrist, maybe 20 years into it, and I was invited to speak about Tai Chi at this uh Chinese cultural festival in Anchorage Museum.
• 33:38
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So after I gave that talk on Tai Chi, uh they kind of asked me, hey, we noticed that in your bio that your family is kind of a lineage of fortune tellers.
• 33:51
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And it is true.
• 33:53
  Dr. Greg Yuen: My name Ruan, which is Chinese, is kind of uh means seer, some kind of seer kind of thing.
• 34:01
  Jeanne: Oh man, I've been pronouncing it wrong the whole the whole time.
• 34:04
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Oh well, no, that's that's a Chinese Mandarin pronunciation, but uh the Anglicized is Yuan, you know, so but in Chinese it's Ruan.
• 34:13
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So anyway, they said, Hey, have you had any experience with fortune telling?
• 34:18
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You know, they gotta ask me.
• 34:20
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And uh I told them that I did, which was a lie.
• 34:23
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Here we are, I'm talking about the truth and lie.
• 34:26
  Jeanne: Were you telling me you told a lie before we No, I lied to them.
• 34:30
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I lied to them.
• 34:30
  Jeanne: Oh, oh, okay.
• 34:32
  Dr. Greg Yuen: This is but this is a true story, right?
• 34:34
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I lied to them that uh I was a fortune teller.
• 34:37
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I had experience in fortune telling, but I had not.
• 34:40
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I mean, you look at me, I was a you know, psychiatrist, so we're dealing in science and all that.
• 34:44
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I you know, even though my family was kind of like that, I never really delved into it myself.
• 34:50
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So anyway, I told them that I had some experience.
• 34:53
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So it ended up, I got a little booth and I was using the i Ching.
• 34:59
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's a kind of a book of divination.
• 35:01
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I was using the I Ching and giving different readings and so forth, and uh I made them $500.
• 35:07
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Oh my gosh! Yeah, but because I'm a psychiatrist, I can I can sort of read where people are coming from, you know, kind of what the answer they want, whether leaning slow.
• 35:18
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I kind of like use some of that experience and kind of giving them a positive fortune telling experience.
• 35:25
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So that's that's what happened.
• 35:27
  Jeanne: Okay.
• 35:27
  Jeanne: I won't ask you about my fortune telling.
• 35:29
  Jeanne: Don't tell my fortune.
• 35:31
  Jeanne: The ones I get out of the fortune cookies are really ridiculously annoying anyway.
• 35:38
  Jeanne: So if I had um if they had been true, I would have had a million dollars by now from all the ones that said you'll have great fortune and riches.
• 35:47
  Jeanne: Yeah, sure.
• 35:48
  Jeanne: Okay, number two, medical school and a milk bone dog biscuit.
• 35:54
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 35:54
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I was doing a rotation in medicine.
• 35:58
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I forget exactly, I think it was it was actually in psychiatry rotation on Maui.
• 36:04
  Jeanne: Oh, just shut up.
• 36:05
  Jeanne: You get to go over there just to go there.
• 36:07
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:08
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So then when I was body surfing and I scraped my leg on the on the reef, and it turned to a staph infection.
• 36:17
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So at that time, I was getting studying this gentleman called Master Ida.
• 36:24
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay, and Master Ida was all about natural healing, okay.
• 36:29
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And one of the things that he included in his regimen was doing milk bone dog biscuits.
• 36:36
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And I gotta tell you, they're not they're not real tasty, but they're not, you know, they're not unpalatable.
• 36:44
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I mean, they're kind of alright.
• 36:45
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You ate it?
• 36:46
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Yeah.
• 36:48
  Jeanne: Oh, I thought maybe you laid it on some you wound or something.
• 36:51
  Dr. Greg Yuen: No, no, no, no.
• 36:52
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You you you eat them.
• 36:53
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I mean, it's good fiber.
• 36:55
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I mean, you want fiber.
• 36:56
  Dr. Greg Yuen: That's there's a lot of good fiber there.
• 36:58
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 36:59
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So, anyway, that was part of the regimen that he had.
• 37:03
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Another part of the regimen was using warm water on your back, sort of like to stimulate your kidney energy, which is a very vital energy.
• 37:13
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And then also he would uh have a practice of using body warmers, which are these kind of cloths, kind of like a like a like a woman has a tube kind of thing, but it was around your abdomen, that doesn't cover your breast or anything, just your abdomen to keep your central body core warm.
• 37:29
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And that was some practice.
• 37:31
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And then he also had some yoga thing.
• 37:33
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I know the headline kind of makes it seem like the dog biscuit by itself cured my staph infection, but it was a whole combination of his practices, including the dog biscuit, that helped me get over the staph infection.
• 37:49
  Jeanne: So you got you you said you fell in the you were body surfing and got scraped by on the reef.
• 37:54
  Jeanne: Right.
• 37:55
  Dr. Greg Yuen: In that coral.
• 37:55
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Yes, coral.
• 37:57
  Jeanne: Yeah, because I was uh snorkeling in Hadama Bay when I was in the Navy, and I they said don't watch out for the eels.
• 38:05
  Jeanne: Like the eels will come up out of the holes and be careful and don't step in a hole.
• 38:10
  Jeanne: And so obviously uh my foot went in, and then I pulled it out really quick.
• 38:17
  Jeanne: Well, actually, it was my whole you know, knee down, um, went in and I pulled it out and scraped it, and it got massively infected.
• 38:26
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Really?
• 38:26
  Jeanne: It was awful.
• 38:27
  Jeanne: So is that the same thing?
• 38:30
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Same kind of thing.
• 38:30
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Did you use antibiotics for that?
• 38:33
  Jeanne: Yeah, because I was in the Navy, so they they got mad at me for one because they said you did this to shirk duty or whatever.
• 38:39
  Jeanne: I'm like, no.
• 38:41
  Jeanne: Um, but they gave you antibiotics because they said the coral was alive and it would grow in your leg.
• 38:46
  Jeanne: I still have a scar.
• 38:48
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Oh my yeah, kind of thing.
• 38:50
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Uh my I don't think I have my scar anymore.
• 38:52
  Jeanne: Yeah, I have one down there.
• 38:54
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Here I was in medical school, and I was like defying all of the things that we would learn about infection and using medications.
• 39:01
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Yeah, that's all kind of rebellious at that time.
• 39:04
  Jeanne: Well, I always wondered what dog biscuits tasted like.
• 39:07
  Jeanne: I don't want to taste one, but they're they're all right, you know.
• 39:11
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But now they've got all these you know fresh food things that the for the dogs, I mean, I've I've been tempted to press them.
• 39:20
  Jeanne: Like those frozen frozen dinners.
• 39:22
  Jeanne: We ordered stuff for our dogs, and our dogs won't eat them.
• 39:25
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So we're really they don't like them.
• 39:28
  Jeanne: They just like uh they just like freeze-dried raw meat, real meat.
• 39:32
  Jeanne: I don't know.
• 39:33
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Oh, I see.
• 39:34
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I gotcha.
• 39:35
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Wow.
• 39:35
  Jeanne: Okay, so you got healed.
• 39:37
  Jeanne: So what about the karaoke?
• 39:39
  Jeanne: Do you sing?
• 39:39
  Jeanne: You want to sing something for us?
• 39:41
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Oh, okay.
• 39:42
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Not particularly.
• 39:43
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I could I could probably I could probably do a little bit of things.
• 39:47
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Uh it's right that I should care about you.
• 39:53
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I need I need my I need my uh my background uh music.
• 40:00
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's hard to do it a cappella, man.
• 40:02
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But any anyways, so my my dad used to sing in piano bars.
• 40:10
  Jeanne: I love those.
• 40:11
  Dr. Greg Yuen: With some of the uh you know notable musician, piano players here in Hawaii.
• 40:16
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I never saw him actually.
• 40:17
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I just knew that he had done it.
• 40:19
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But he would sing around the house and I would get into singing, and when I was in high school, I had a guitar and I was playing folk tunes, uh, Peter, Paul, and Mary and that kind of thing, and then Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, you know.
• 40:34
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And then later on, um, because we have kind of an Asian influence here, there's a lot of karaoke bars here in Hawaii.
• 40:41
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I started singing in the karaoke bars.
• 40:44
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And then there was this guy that I met there, he worked for the Department of Defense, and uh, you know, I talked to him about, hey, you know, do you sing?
• 40:52
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Or no, no, I don't sing, I don't sing.
• 40:55
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But then I met him over a period of time, and I did see him sing every now and again.
• 41:02
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So I would kind of question him, hey, you know, like you said you don't sing.
• 41:05
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Now I don't I don't sing, I don't sing.
• 41:07
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay, so anyway, I kind of invited him to kind of join with me on a regular basis with me and a couple of other buddies to kind of have this karaoke time, right?
• 41:18
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So gradually he started to sing more and more with us, and then eventually it got to a point where he was he was singing, and then I would say, Hey, hey, hey, Wayne, you did pretty good on that song.
• 41:33
  Dr. Greg Yuen: He says, No, no, no, I'm just I'm just lip singing right now.
• 41:35
  Dr. Greg Yuen: This I'm just lip singing.
• 41:36
  Dr. Greg Yuen: He admitted that he was actually singing, okay?
• 41:40
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So he got to that level.
• 41:41
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So now, after all this time has passed, he's singing Neil Diamond songs.
• 41:49
  Jeanne: Okay.
• 41:49
  Dr. Greg Yuen: He never did before.
• 41:51
  Dr. Greg Yuen: He's singing Neil Diamond songs, and forgive me, all due respect to Neil Diamond.
• 41:55
  Dr. Greg Yuen: He's not one of my favorite singers.
• 41:56
  Jeanne: Oh, come on, sweet Caroline.
• 41:59
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But I won't be too excited about that, honestly.
• 42:04
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But he keeps singing them, and then and then he's doing it on his own, and it's almost like he's he's on, he's gone, he's he's doing it, and he's like he's becoming a star.
• 42:14
  Dr. Greg Yuen: And I'm a little worried that he's gonna start singing better than me, honestly, because he's just honestly really going off on his own.
• 42:21
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So that to me was a very uh you know good feeling kind of transformation to watch him go through that, you know.
• 42:28
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Enjoyed that.
• 42:29
  Jeanne: Oh, that's wonderful.
• 42:31
  Jeanne: So, well, all right, you got all your stories out.
• 42:35
  Jeanne: Which one is the lie?
• 42:37
  Jeanne: Time for the reveal.
• 42:38
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Oh, you said that you thought the second one was a lie.
• 42:41
  Jeanne: Yes.
• 42:42
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay, so the actual lie, drumroll, was me being a fortune teller.
• 42:50
  Jeanne: Ah, okay.
• 42:52
  Dr. Greg Yuen: That was a lie.
• 42:53
  Jeanne: So you actually ate milk bones.
• 42:55
  Jeanne: I'm still blown away.
• 42:58
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You know, they're they're not so unhearted, you know, it's sort of like what I say, it's kind of like granola without sweetening, you could say.
• 43:07
  Dr. Greg Yuen: It's just a crunchy kind of wrong.
• 43:11
  Jeanne: Oh my gosh.
• 43:12
  Jeanne: I know I ate one as a kid.
• 43:13
  Jeanne: I just had that curiosity, but I wouldn't have thought you would eat it.
• 43:18
  Dr. Greg Yuen: You crush it up, add a little bit of uh honey to it, maybe a little milk if that helps, and then uh easier to take.
• 43:26
  Dr. Greg Yuen: But I used to just do them, do them straight out, just rah-rah rah-rah.
• 43:30
  Jeanne: Oh, that must be something funny if people saw you like, oh, I've got to get my snack out, and then you bring out the show.
• 43:38
  Dr. Greg Yuen: No, nobody, nobody was a witness of that.
• 43:40
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I did it all by myself.
• 43:42
  Jeanne: That's hilarious.
• 43:44
  Jeanne: Well, Dr.
• 43:45
  Jeanne: Greg, I am so glad you came on the show.
• 43:48
  Jeanne: I know people are gonna want to get in touch with you.
• 43:50
  Jeanne: You're so interesting, and you've given them something that could really help them in their lives.
• 43:55
  Jeanne: So I want to show everybody how they can get in touch with you.
• 43:58
  Jeanne: So here is the information.
• 44:00
  Jeanne: Connect with Greg.
• 44:02
  Jeanne: And he's also given us a great quote there.
• 44:06
  Jeanne: Through Mindful Touch, we reconnect and restore our wholeness and health.
• 44:10
  Jeanne: I think that's a fabulous quote.
• 44:12
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Yeah, if you could put my email address in there, that would be really great.
• 44:16
  Jeanne: We'll try to put it on the show notes.
• 44:18
  Jeanne: But um, for now, if you're watching, this is how you're gonna get in touch with him, and then all of this information will be included in the show notes and then the transcript, of course.
• 44:28
  Jeanne: So we're so happy that you joined us today.
• 44:31
  Jeanne: And if you had um an offer for anybody on the call that wanted to get in touch with you, and now it's the time because I didn't have one from you specifically.
• 44:40
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Oh.
• 44:40
  Jeanne: Are you holding the class or well?
• 44:43
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Anyone that is willing to talk with me from chat for uh maybe half an hour, I will give them a complimentary video of 10 energizing pressure points.
• 44:55
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So you'll learn the 10 energizing pressure points that would help with getting your energy flowing and help you to get out of burnout and fatigue.
• 45:04
  Dr. Greg Yuen: So that could be a complimentary offer.
• 45:06
  Jeanne: Oh, nice.
• 45:07
  Jeanne: So uh if they wanted to get in touch with you to do that, it would be off of your website.
• 45:12
  Dr. Greg Yuen: I would say email me.
• 45:13
  Dr. Greg Yuen: That would be the best thing.
• 45:15
  Dr. Greg Yuen: Okay.
• 45:15
  Dr. Greg Yuen: GregU at cs.com, charlie samuel.com.
• 45:19
  Jeanne: Oh, great.
• 45:20
  Jeanne: That's easy.
• 45:21
  Jeanne: All right.
• 45:22
  Jeanne: Well, thank you so much for being here.
• 45:24
  Jeanne: Um, it's just been a real pleasure to have you here.
• 45:27
  Jeanne: And um, for those listening, I hope you join us next week for another great uh guest that we have on Project Candor.
• 45:33
  Jeanne: Um for now, uh I'm Jeanne Andersen, your host, the your Admiral of the Unexpected, and I wish you all smooth sailing.
• 45:41
  Jeanne: Thanks for joining me on Project Candor, where the doors are open, the stories are unexpected, and the treasure is always real.
• 45:49
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• 45:54
  Jeanne: Otherwise, I might just make you swab the deck.
• 45:57
  Jeanne: I'm Jeanne Andersen, your Admiral of the Unexpected.
• 46:01
  Jeanne: See you on the next voyage.