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Jason Roundy - Fatherhood and Gratitude · Quarterback DadCast | Intentional Fatherhood & Leadership at Home

• 0:03
  Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Riley and I'm Ryder, and this is my dad's show.
• 0:14
  Speaker 3: Hey everybody, this is Casey Jaycox and welcome to season five.
• 0:17
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• 0:19
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• 0:26
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• 0:30
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• 0:33
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• 0:36
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• 1:03
  Speaker 2: Now let's get to today's episode with Casey Jaycox.
• 1:08
  Speaker 3: Well, hey, everybody, it's Casey Jaycox with the Quarterback Jackass.
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: We're in season five and I am very excited for this next guest One, not only because we're on video now although some of you still like to listen where your car or whatever you're doing working out pumping the guns a little bit but if you're on YouTube and you're watching this, we appreciate people tuning in to the video.
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: This is what I look like.
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: This is what my guest looks like.
• 1:28
  Speaker 3: His name is Jason Roundy and I met him in the way back I'd say 20-ish, 16-ish Right around there, yeah, and he's a gentleman that's been in the athletic development journey forever, which is how he and I met it from the harbor of the West Coast that's Central Washington University for you guys scoring at home.
• 1:49
  Speaker 3: And then, long story short, he actually got me back involved with my lovely university and then he ended up leaving.
• 1:57
  Speaker 3: He went down south to another college and then we reconnected and then I reconnected him where I left, when I worked for almost 20 years with our friends at K-Force.
• 2:05
  Speaker 3: But that's not why we're having Jason on Everybody.
• 2:07
  Speaker 3: Where I'm, jason on, talk about Jason the dad and how he's working hard to become the ultimate quarterback or leader of his household.
• 2:12
  Speaker 3: So without further ado, mr Roundy, welcome to the Quarterback Dadcast.
• 2:16
  Speaker 4: Really appreciate the time and of course, it's always just great to see you, even though we've moved on from Washington on my end you and I keep in touch every quarter, every other quarter, I mean we're still in regular contact, so really appreciate the opportunity.
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: Thank you, you bet dude.
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I feel like I had to work through like 14 agents and then give you an NIL deal to finally get you to come on the podcast, which I'll be NIL Yep.
• 2:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to touch that, but yes, just about.
• 2:51
  Speaker 3: I'm glad both of our sides worked it out.
• 2:52
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be cool if I could say this episode's sponsored by Rawls Barbershop?
• 2:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know right, they're giving us good haircuts, right.
• 2:59
  Speaker 3: Exactly Well, joking aside, my man, we always start out each episode with gratitude, so tell me, what are you most grateful for as a dad today?
• 3:07
  Speaker 4: yeah, no, I I listened to a few of your um podcast episodes so I knew this was coming.
• 3:13
  Speaker 4: So, um, biggest thing for me is just the the opportunity to be the dad.
• 3:18
  Speaker 4: Um, you know, I think I think there's a lot of things that we can take for granted in our lives and that's one that we can have kids for a lot of us, or be that father figure to people but I'd say that's the biggest thing with my kids is the opportunity to be their dad.
• 3:35
  Speaker 4: I'm chatting with them daily about things they're going through, about challenges they're having, or just a new thought my son had and he wants to try out this new joke on his old man right Just that opportunity to be around them, listen to them, learn from them, but also to be that kind of guiding force in their life that is often missed for a lot of people growing up.
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: Well, the reason why I love the answer, by the way, but I love asking that question because it keeps us present and it's so easy to, to your point, like to get busy with the rat race of life and have all the reasons, but if we don't slow down to really understand what we're present, thankful for, I think it kind of, if we're having a bad day, that just having a little gratitude can get us out of that funk.
• 4:23
  Speaker 3: Um, or just cause there's all I'm a naive mindset, you can always be grateful for something.
• 4:29
  Speaker 3: Um, I mean, like when I wake up I do a little journal work and I always say God, thanks for waking me up today.
• 4:36
  Speaker 4: Thanks for what?
• 4:37
  Speaker 4: Yet one more day on the earth, cause we don't know when our next one's going to be right Like and not to divert.
• 4:43
  Speaker 4: But uh, I think you and I have talked about this.
• 4:46
  Speaker 4: My mom just all of a sudden heart attack, 58 years old, gone.
• 4:51
  Speaker 4: Um never talked to her again, right, so you never know when that's coming.
• 4:55
  Speaker 4: But to be that parent there with your kids, knowing that, hey, that next day are you going to be there loading up what you've got now and making sure they're on a good path for when they launch, that's the.
• 5:07
  Speaker 4: It's the hard part, but at the same time, that's the really rewarding and then the part that I'm I'm grateful for, like you're saying, love it.
• 5:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry about your mom man.
• 5:16
  Speaker 3: It's um, I know it's like to lose a parent.
• 5:18
  Speaker 3: It sucks.
• 5:18
  Speaker 3: Um, my pops, mikey jaycox.
• 5:22
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at him right now on my desk, ironically from a photo at southern oregon where writer's going to school.
• 5:27
  Speaker 3: Um, which is maybe serendipitous, but, um, my gratitude.
• 5:31
  Speaker 3: Today, jason is um, I always give love to both kids.
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give this episode mainly to writer, for I'm grateful for him that he still wants to talk to dad when he's at college and he hasn't really started school yet, but he's down there with golf team and going through that journey.
• 5:46
  Speaker 3: And whether it's Snapchat which I am on Snapchat now and I thought I'd never be on Snapchat, but I've had other dads say dude, if you want to get in touch with your kids at this age, get on Snapchat.
• 5:55
  Speaker 3: So I'm like all right, I finally stopped fighting it.
• 5:59
  Speaker 3: I doing that with him and he sends me messages and but we probably talk every day and it's not like ah, dad, leave me alone, I want to get.
• 6:11
  Speaker 3: He's like he's excited to talk to me, he's excited to talk to what's going on.
• 6:13
  Speaker 3: He'll send a picture of this.
• 6:14
  Speaker 3: He'll um, and every call is hey, dad, love you, man, and I love, I'm grateful for the fact that we still say I love you at the at at the end of every phone call and we've probably talked, if we talked a couple of times a day.
• 6:24
  Speaker 3: And even though he's seven and a half eight hours away as hard as that was on mom and dad that first week it still feels like he's here because we talk so often and it's normal, it's not so I'm just, I'm grateful for that, that level Cause I know that's not.
• 6:37
  Speaker 3: That was not like me when I was in college.
• 6:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't talk to my parents every day, and so I'm grateful that I have that right now with him.
• 6:43
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 6:46
  Speaker 3: So well, bring us inside.
• 6:47
  Speaker 3: We're going to get into more about the story of you and work and relationship building, but I want to slow down.
• 6:51
  Speaker 3: I want to get inside the roundy huddle.
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: This is your chance to play quarterback.
• 6:55
  Speaker 3: You got a helmet on.
• 6:56
  Speaker 3: You're taking a snap and tell me who's on the squad?
• 6:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who's on the roundy team.
• 7:01
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, we got our coach right.
• 7:03
  Speaker 4: That's Shannon.
• 7:04
  Speaker 3: I think she's the general manager.
• 7:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah well, general manager, coach, owner, I mean, she does it all.
• 7:11
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, I can't say enough about her.
• 7:16
  Speaker 4: She, I mean I couldn't do what I do, right, without her support, you know, being there as a physical presence, right.
• 7:26
  Speaker 4: But but then on top of that, the um and uh, you know me, I'm not that I'm not an overly emotional guy, I'm just not.
• 7:34
  Speaker 4: I'm, I'm uh, you know, can have fun when we need to, but, um, don't wear my heart on a sleeve.
• 7:38
  Speaker 4: And she, she really keeps me grounded in that and and making sure there's still that emotional side.
• 7:43
  Speaker 4: Um, not saying she's overly emotional, but she definitely helps me, uh, keep that ship in the right.
• 7:49
  Speaker 4: Uh, and then you know my uh, oh, let's call him a receiver and our uh, um, our halfback, right draven and ayla, um, they're, yeah, I can't imagine life without him.
• 8:02
  Speaker 4: Right, draven's starting his senior year.
• 8:05
  Speaker 4: I'm really feeling that 17, almost 18-year-old challenges, you know, trying to navigate that, especially that social world.
• 8:16
  Speaker 4: He's got a great head on his shoulders, great moral compass.
• 8:21
  Speaker 4: He really tries to do what he feels is right, which is awesome.
• 8:25
  Speaker 4: Now, ayla, she's got a great moral compass as well, but she's also the type to test the boundaries.
• 8:34
  Speaker 4: So a lot more socially in tune.
• 8:36
  Speaker 4: She's very much there that way as well, and of course both of them doing really well in school.
• 8:45
  Speaker 4: But, um, all of them are a wash in interest as well, and so we never know what they're going to come with Um.
• 8:52
  Speaker 3: I guess outside of that, who takes their credit for her pushing boundaries?
• 8:56
  Speaker 3: Are we giving that to you, or Shannon?
• 8:59
  Speaker 4: We'll give that to Shannon, cause it was more her personality growing up.
• 9:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, now if you were to ask her, it would be dad.
• 9:06
  Speaker 4: She's definitely daddy's girl.
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: Love it and tell me, how did you and Shannon meet so?
• 9:13
  Speaker 4: we met at Utah State where we both graduated with our bachelors.
• 9:17
  Speaker 4: I was visiting a friend there.
• 9:21
  Speaker 4: I was actually living two hours away and visiting a friend there.
• 9:26
  Speaker 4: He's deaf, I'm fluent in sign language, and so I was visiting him.
• 9:30
  Speaker 4: He said, hey, you want to go meet my girlfriend?
• 9:34
  Speaker 4: I'm like, well, only if she's got a cute roommate or two.
• 9:37
  Speaker 4: And he says, well, there's one, but she's kind of weird.
• 9:40
  Speaker 4: And so I showed up.
• 9:42
  Speaker 4: It was just him and her, you know, on their couch cuddling and making me sick.
• 9:48
  Speaker 4: And then Shannon walked in.
• 9:49
  Speaker 4: She was the weird one.
• 9:51
  Speaker 4: So she came in from a dance and then, running through the sprinklers, um, so she's uh, was much more of that free spirit, that uh outdoorsy type.
• 10:00
  Speaker 4: And from there it was uh, back before, you know, really many people had cell phones and anything like that.
• 10:07
  Speaker 4: But we uh, um, we're doing a lot of emailing.
• 10:10
  Speaker 4: And then went on.
• 10:11
  Speaker 4: The first date went, uh, went, uh pretty quick.
• 10:15
  Speaker 4: From there we're married, you know, six months later.
• 10:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
• 10:19
  Speaker 3: So yeah just kind of new.
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: I learned something I never knew you were fluent in sign language.
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my, uh, my brother um.
• 10:33
  Speaker 4: Well, I know vulnerability is a big thing for you.
• 10:34
  Speaker 4: You and I have talked about that a lot.
• 10:35
  Speaker 4: I don't talk about this a lot, but my brother um had brain cancer when he was four and so, um, from that, all the surgeries, the radiation, the chemo, he lost most of his hearing and then developed double vision.
• 10:48
  Speaker 4: So they started teaching him sign language.
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: Doctors kind of followed an antiquated way of approaching someone who's deaf or hard of hearing, said hey, let's teach him to lip read as opposed to sign language.
• 10:59
  Speaker 4: I started picking it up and kind of had a knack for it.
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: I started picking it up and kind of had an act for it and so kind of developed the skill from there.
• 11:13
  Speaker 4: Interpreted and interpreted for through school was a great college gig and then went on to do what I was probably more meant to do Still still fluent, still can communicate, still understand it.
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: But it's been a while.
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: Have you ever found yourself able to use that skill in like a professional world yet?
• 11:28
  Speaker 4: Uh, yes, um, we here at K-Force actually uh interviewed someone that uh and and had uh someone that worked for us, who was deaf.
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: Um, so I was able to interview her um, help her along through that journey and and work on that, and so that professionally, yes, whenever I go somewhere and people learn about it, they say, hey, let's get you interpreting, and that's not me anymore.
• 11:52
  Speaker 3: So Well, I know you and I talk about.
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: We've talked about value-based selling over the years and one of my mentors said there's three types of differentiation unique, comparative and holistic.
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: Most companies aren't unique because many people do what they do, but if you can be comparatively different.
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: But I want to give you a shout out to being unique because I don't think I know too many staffing sales studs who also are fluent in sign language, so you're getting a star right, you get that unique for that narrow niche.
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: But yeah, no thanks for pegging me into that category.
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: Well, one question I like asking dads.
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: That usually allows me to learn more about my guests and I know you and I have talked we're buddies, we've talked together but I don't know if I've ever asked this question.
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: So take me back to life as Jason the kid and talk about what was life like growing up for you, and then talk about some of those lessons, stories that have impacted you as a dad today.
• 12:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and and again it can roll back a little bit into that uh, um brother with brain cancer stuff, right, Um, very, very different upbringing than uh, and that was kind of uh, college years, high school years, um, and uh, and so there's, there's the more kid side, then there's the really more adult side, even into high school.
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: Um, as a kid my dad worked swing shift.
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: He he was a very blue-collar worker, so worked in a coal-fired power plant, so I knew how hard he worked.
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: He came home dirty, came home with not loving his job but realizing it, put food on the table and a roof over the head, and that was the hard work.
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: And then that food on the table, roof over the head, and that was the hard work.
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: And then that food on the table, roof over the head was really emphasized growing up.
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: Can't say enough about him, his, how he just worked through things like that, cause I know he didn't always love his job.
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: I was driven by sports, so and and it was a love that my dad um had.
• 14:05
  Speaker 4: So he uh, we really bonded over baseball.
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: Um didn't really ever feel he was living vicariously through me, like I know some some do, um, but he definitely pushed me, um, helped me baseball wise, football wise, uh, um, uh.
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: When, when, uh, baseball didn't work out for me one year in high school, I'm like I'm joining the track team, I'm throwing javelin, and then I got to throw javelin in college for a year.
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: So there was always that, that drive and that motivator.
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: But it was really brought up by that, that hard work.
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: And then seeing how hard he worked and working, that swing, shift working, you know, nights, weekends, flex time, whatever he could to provide, and then mom was, mom was home.
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: So she really gave us a good, that good I said moral compass earlier that good moral compass for us, that good, that base to our lives, to where we're probably pretty well adjusted that way.
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: The other thing that she emphasized a lot more was the academics.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: She was a voracious reader but she would pick up a book and have it read in a couple hours.
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: She could, she'd read so fast, Always been super jealous of her and then my youngest sister that they could do that.
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: When I I read, I retain most things I read.
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: I just can't read that fast.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: So we got the academics on her, her side.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: She always emphasized that for us because it's not something she got out past high school.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: So then Brain cancer Hit my brother when he was four.
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: My parents kind of moved to.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Sorry, how old were you when he got diagnosed brain cancer?
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: 14, 15, somewhere in there, and how old was your sister?
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: So I've got two younger sisters, one's a year and a half younger than me and then the other one's, I want to say, four years younger than me, so kind of in that that 14 to 10 years, uh um, range, um, and he was a tough kid man, he, uh he.
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: I remember he fell off a play, a piece of playground equipment, when we were just out messing around at the uh um school across the street and then he just started favoring his elbow.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: Um wasn't him went and had him look at the doctor, look at it, and had a broken elbow.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: So a tough kid um didn't really complain about everything, anything, started complaining of headaches and um that our doctor knew him well enough to say, hey, something's wrong, let's send them to primary children's, which is, you know, at that time, two and a half hours away.
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: So I mean, my parents kind of moved away for a good couple of years probably.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Um and we all kind of stayed with people in the neighborhood, um different families, and um kind of had a different upbringing there.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: But I tell Shannon all the time, you know, mom, mom moved away and she didn't really move back.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: It was, uh, pretty hard for her, it was hard for all of us, we all, uh, did our coping in different ways.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: But uh um.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: on top of that, though I mean the leading from the kid to now um, there are opportunities that I try to afford my kids because of that um, that, uh, that I probably wouldn't have if we wouldn't have gone through that.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: I know it's made me stronger, but I also grew up a lot quicker, yeah.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: So what?
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: So is dad still with us.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, dad's still here Part of the reason why I moved back to Utah Big and mom too at the time.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: But I'm glad I'm close to him.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: He's about two hours away, hour and a half away.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: I try and go see him once a month to go and knock out a project for him.
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: Say hi, see him in person.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Love it, and so when your brother went through this and is your brother still with us?
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: No, he passed away at 10.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: So he, uh, he had, uh he's in all sorts of uh medical journals for the first time like the the first surgery they infected him with a meningitis, um, on accident, and it only ever been found in soil.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: So that's the first time it's been in a human.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: He had it.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: The cancer technically not recur.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: Originally it was a glioblastoma.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: I think it was a glioblastoma, the medulloblastoma or vice versa, but a different type occurred in the same space, so he was.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: When it recurred or hit him again, he was.
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: He's gone about eight months later.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: It was pretty quick.
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Cancer is something I I absolutely.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: I don't hate many things, jason, but I freaking hate it that's the one that I really hate you know I just I hate it because you just I've had a lot of, unfortunately, friends um impact that I've had buddies lose wives before the age of 40, which is always one of my biggest like worries, you know, as a husband and um carry ads, I mean.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I mean I remember telling you Carrie had some health challenges in her um just in the last six months kind of got better Um, we actually did an episode about it, um that I wasn't sure I was going to go, but I'm glad I glad I did it.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: But it's, yeah, it's like the biggest fear, which goes back to the question I asked in the very beginning about just being present and enjoying every moment we got.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: Um, now, being present and enjoying every moment we got Now, did mom and dad so when your brother passed, were they back home with you or were they still maybe walk through a little bit about them?
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: So so they, he passed when I was in college, just started college, so I was there for another year before I moved out, and so they were around, were around for that.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Um, he died at home, which was nice, as opposed to him hooked up to tubes and machines, you know all that stuff.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Um, I guess nice because of that, it wasn't nice that he passed away at home, right, um, but, uh, um.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: so so then from then, um, I, I moved out and started moving on from there, but that was, yeah, still an interesting time with that Still trying to figure things out after going through something that heavy so early, but that kind of prolonged push through your earlier years in your life.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I can't even imagine what your parents went through.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: One and then obviously you have three other kids, so it's like trying to balance that, yep.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: And with that and my dad had told me this too that you know, because we don't blame them for going away for a period of time, right, I mean, it's what they had to do to get their son.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Well, the amazing thing is that there were other parents around that could and were willing to take us in.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I ran into one of the family members that I lived with for a period of time and told her how amazing her parents were, that they were just so nice to first of all put up with me for an extended period of time, but then also to open their house and make sure that I was looked after a little bit on that end and can't say enough positive about them, especially through that time, because they didn't have to do that.
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: But my parents were doing what they could to get their son better.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: It's hard to balance that and knowing that you have the other three they doing what they could to get their son better it's hard to balance that and knowing that you have the other three, they they did what they could, and especially where we didn't grow up with a whole lot, couldn't do a couldn't outsource it, you know what I mean, so Wow, man, that's heavy stuff, bro, yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: And, and here I am dumping on your podcast about something heavy- Maybe there's a dad listening that's gone through this.
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Probably there is.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I mean the number of times, jason, I've had like even in my own hometown a mom came up to me last year basketball season and said thank you so much.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: I'm like I'm sorry, who are you?
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: She's like, and then she reintroduced herself.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh okay, I'm sorry.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: And she says, yeah, you're you just said an episode with um someone who had seizures and my husband's having seizures, and it totally helped us realize that we're not alone.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it like just made further people who can't see this.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: But there's a belief sign behind me which reminds me that I believe that I do matters, which I got that question from my friend, john Kaplan.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: Shout out to force management.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Um, I just love that question.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: I love that word because it's a word that many people don't spend time thinking about, but I think it's one of the most powerful words that just gets us strong.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: So, um, I appreciate you're sharing it because I know I believe that it matters and if we can impact another dad, that's.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: The goal of these episodes is to just you know totally and and and.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: through that I have a pretty clear memory of, uh, you know, when he was in the hospital to 40, his first diagnosed, you know, having all the surgeries but there was a kid that he shared a room with for a little while and, um, my family talks about this.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Uh, still kind of in in comparison, but, um, you know, my, my brother was probably in a worse way health wise, but mom and dad were there.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Um, this kid was dropped off.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: They saw the family at the beginning and then, by the time my brother moved out of that room three months later, they didn't see the family again.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Um, he was kind of alone.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: So my brother and him really struck up this good friendship.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: But, um, what, what we'd talked about over the years is, uh, hey, you kind of have a bad, but at the same time it's not that bad.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Right, he's in better health, but wouldn't you rather have your family around?
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: And maybe the family showed up, right, but in our experience that family just wasn't around.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: But we had that luxury.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Even though that wasn't a luxury because mom and dad for me and my sisters weren't around as much of that time he still had that luxury.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: They had that luxury of being there.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: So, um, it was uh, yeah, that that you never know who else is going through it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: But also, I wouldn't trade with that kid, I wouldn't trade with you, I wouldn't trade with anyone else, just because it's, it's what I've been through, it's made me who I am.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: And would I trade for Elon?
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: Musk's money.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's a different set of problems right, but I wouldn't want someone else's problems either.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Tell me the biggest, as you reflect and sharing the story which, again, I didn't know you're going to share, which I love and everybody we started with a blank piece of paper before today's episode.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Tell me, as you think about that journey as a dad, how has it shaped you, now that you're raising your kids with you and Shannon?
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, as I'm thinking on it, one negative way, but it's not really negative when you really feel it back.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: But a lot of positive ways, right, the negative way, peel it back.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: But a lot of positive ways, right, the the negative way.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Um, uh, when my son was four, he had a headache.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: First thing I'm thinking is brain cancer.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Oh crap, here it comes again.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Right, so, obviously gun shy, obviously have that, um, that that hold over from growing up and and wondering when some, when's the other shoe going to drop?
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Um, and and honestly, that's still in the back of my mind just because of, uh, you almost go into that, that fight or flight or that survival mode growing up, because it's like that's the way your life is.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: But but outside of that, um, that that's also driven me to try and provide more opportunities like, uh, um, growing I, I'd always go and have that uh, uh, what do they call it in the schools where they the book fair?
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Um, they have the thing where you can check off book fair.
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: I, I, I read a lot, I loved reading, um, I love writing, and so I'd I'd be like, hey, mom, dad, can I get this book?
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: And it was like, ah, we can't afford that.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: So I was running down the library.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: I'd still get the book Right.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: But every time my kids came up to me and said, hey, can I do the book fair, like, yeah, absolutely, what book do you want Right?
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Making it a little bit better for them, even if it wasn't this uh groundbreaking or shattering um, uh impact for them.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Um, but also the the really paying attention and being there, because, again, my parents really paid attention to that situation and what was going on.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Um, they're really, uh, they really tried to be there for for him.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: So with that, I'm trying to then again learn from my parents and say, okay, what do I need to do next?
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: What, what else can I provide for them, do for them?
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: How else can I, uh, can I work to their betterment?
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: Uh, cause that's again what I viewed my parents doing during that that difficult time, uh for the brother.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: So, um, yeah, have you ever told your kids that story?
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Uh, which, which one?
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: The one about that.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: I couldn't afford a book at a book fair.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, a hundred percent.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I've.
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: I've told them that.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: I've told them some other times.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: Like I didn't get this opportunity growing up, I had to go do it myself.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Uh, you know, whatever it is, and so, and, and.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: So my son's had a job for the last two years and he's a hard worker.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: He saves his money.
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: He's definitely learned some things growing up.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: He's probably more advanced at 17 with money than a lot of kids.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Got to have him talk to our boy Jed.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah right, Get him into that.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Get to Jed Collins.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Yep Love Jed.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: Collins.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: So your mom's a voracious reader.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: I know you're a reader.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you got that from her.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I'm assuming.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Where did the writing passion come from?
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was in high school.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: He was a coach, but he taught English and was a coach, but he taught English and I, he gave us an assignment to write on our hero and you know, I knew everyone was going to either write about a sports figure or their parents, right?
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: So I was trying to think of something different and there was this.
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: There's this guy that made a big impact on me growing up.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: His name is Dave Walton.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: He was a religious leader growing up and just, it wasn't so much about what he was teaching, it wasn't so much about the faith-based aspect, it was more about just how he carried himself and how he treated people and how he made you feel, and just all my interactions with him.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I wrote it about him and I didn't know that this teacher was friends with him and he shared it with him.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: And so you know, the first, the first thought was like OK, you know, maybe I've got a little talent for this.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: At the very least I enjoyed it.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: And then I took a state writing exam and I think this one was they were.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: They were saying, hey, what's your favorite character?
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: And I, I watched the movie Mad Max just before that.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: So I'm like I'm going to write this about Mad Max and throw these guys for a loop and I scored really high on it and it was a more of like a character study and I'm deep dive into into that character study and and, uh, um, deep dive into into that character and, um, when I got back the score on that, I scratched my head again, going, man, maybe I, maybe I do have a talent for this.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: So, um, since then I've I've written a lot of different things, um, mostly for myself, sharing it with family and friends.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Uh, had a had a couple of things published, some, uh, a couple of short stories, but, um, write more for, like, the enjoyment of the published some a couple of short stories, but write more for, like, the enjoyment of the story as opposed to other types of things.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: So it's something to keep me busy and flex that creative hat, creative muscle put on that creative hat.
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: I mixed the metaphors there.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Love it so okay.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: So a voracious reader writing passion.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Dad taught power of hard work.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: What would be another kind of core value of the Roundy household.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Growing up, that, or maybe even through living with other family members or families, that you learned that or that was important to you.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: That really impacted you now that you'll apply and teach your kids.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and I've already, I've already been applying it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: Um, in fact, uh, um, uh, you, you may have seen I can't remember if you were there but um, a few other donors, um, I know I had my, my son, talk with um on the sidelines of the um central Washington football game.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Um, I was trying to teach them how to have conversations right.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: Um, trying to teach them how to have conversations right, Trying to teach my kids what relationships mean, and so I really feel like my other talent is that creating relationships.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: You and I have talked about that a lot.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Growing up it was, you know, living in other households, being around your family, kind of being in flux and maybe feel a little unsettled.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: There was always that trying to get a sense of belonging, if you will.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: But, on top of that, it was also.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: You saw a lot of people come to you with that sympathy oh, I'm so sorry you're going through that.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: And it's not because they were trying to be fake.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: It's just what do you say to someone that their brother's going through cancer, their mom dies, their dad dies, like like yours has?
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: We don't know what to say.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: It's a super awkward conversation.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: It's a.
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: It's a I want to overshare and show that I know what they're going through because my step-uncle died and so I know what you're going through.
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: Right, maybe that doesn't always translate.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: So, trying to figure out how I felt about some of those things and about how people interacted with me, I tried to make it more about them as opposed to how I fit with them, opposed to how I fit with them, and I still carry that through now.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: I've been of the firm opinion that you focus on the relationship and donations at the time, the fundraising business, whatever will come.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: If you focus there, I think that's the true building block.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: But it's not enough to say that you're there for the relationship.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: It's more how are you truly there with that person?
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Are you truly interested in them?
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: And is it interested in them without the thought of reciprocation on that and something that stands out with that.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: You know Tuna, dave Haberloh, former major league pitcher, one of my closest friends.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Love the guy, play-by-play announcer, yep, Play-by-play announcer, central legend right he?
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: First time I interacted with him, I came to him.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: It's like, hey, tuna, what can we do for you?
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, fundraisers, salespeople, people they're always asking, asking, asking, right, um, I feel it should be a two-way street.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: It's like if I'm going to ask for something, I better be able to offer something.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: So I asked him what can we do for you?
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: And he, he had no response.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Um, tuna is not the type of guy to be lost for words, but that was one of those times where he, he didn't have a response, but, um, he shared with me several times that that's what stood out to him.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: He's like you were different than everyone else, that you wanted a relationship with me, so with my kids.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: I'm always trying to emphasize that to him.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: Is that, yeah, that's great that you want this relationship with this individual, whether it be the girlfriend, this boy that you like, um, your friend that you're having a hard time with.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: But but are they asking them to come, come to you, or are you asking them to meet you halfway?
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Don't go.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: You know sometimes you need to go all the way, but but try and find that middle ground where where the two of you actually have a true back and forth, that, that true reciprocal relationship, where you're really there for them and they're really there for you.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: If that's where you're at, then that's a relationship.
• 33:49
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• 33:51
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• 33:55
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• 34:49
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• 34:54
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• 35:03
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• 35:11
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• 35:18
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• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Now let's get back to the podcast.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Have you seen, as you tell that story and I know that's who you are because I've lived it and we'll get to that story in a second but have you seen your kids embrace the learnings from mom or dad and then apply it in school and you go and chant and you're like, oh my God, it worked 100%.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: In fact, we've had a couple of times recently where our kids were not quite being who they typically are.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Right, they're your teenager, they're the teenager times.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: Right when they're moody.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: They're a little flippant in their responses to you.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: There's other colorful names we could throw in there, right when they're.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Where they're moody they're, they're a little um, a little flippant in their responses to you.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: There's other colorful names we could throw in there, right.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Um but they, um, but, but calling it out to them, um, uh, draven and Nail are, are phenomenal at, you know, of course.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Uh, they're, they're still kind of in their head a little bit, trying to feel through their, their hormones, or their, their growing up, or or them trying to push their boundaries like teenagers do and like they should.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: But then us giving them some coaching and some some call back to earth with, with my son, when, when he's a little bit more, when he tries to talk back which is very rare, he tries to talk back I'll just say try again and he'll be oh sorry, dad, just like some of those like small adjustments with him.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: He's kind of learned that he can be aware of what he's doing.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: My daughter, on the other hand, it's reminding, reminding, reminding, and then her coming back saying boy, you know, I've really been thinking about it and I have been whatever, I've been flippant, I've talked back too much, you know.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: And then I especially love seeing Shannon's face going yeah you know she gets it, you know she's not going to just be this moody teenager that's going to stomp around the house.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: So, yeah, we've seen it on that end, that self-awareness.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: And then my daughter.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: There was this table at school that you couldn't have peanuts or any nuts because there was allergies.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: She came to us saying, hey, I want to, I don't want any, I don't want any peanut butter.
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: And that was like her go to sandwich, whyto sandwich?
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: Why don't you want the peanuts?
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: Well, I want to sit at the no-nut table.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Why do you want that?
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: Well, there's this boy there and he sits there all by himself every day.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: I want to invite my friends and I want to go sit by him.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: So she convinced two or three other kids to go and sit by him and then he kept being a friend with her just because she reached out.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: She met him.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: She met him on on uh, where he could be.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: So, seeing that real trying to work toward that relationship and that self-awareness, uh, it's.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: It's been very satisfying to me, but I see more of the satisfaction in them.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: No, that's awesome, Like that's the story gave me goosebumps.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: I love those Because I think sometimes and I've had a lot of episodes around um youth sports, sports, parenting, and I've lived it I've had a lot of episodes around um youth sports, sports, parenting.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I mean I've lived it, I've seen the worst, I've seen the best.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, um, I hopefully I've not been too psychotic at times.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: I tried to, like, as a former athlete, like not live vicariously through my kids and I was reminding them like I have no eligibility left, um, and I'm glad my kids pick sports.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: I was not good at like I was a decent golfer, I was a decent basketball player and my kids both have excelled both those sports, which has been fun to see.
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: But I tell you what I'm by any by by, regardless of the three pointers you made or the steel you got or the shot golf, whatever what I think of like proud moments and stories like you just shared.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: And I remember like a story at last year so Ryder was a senior, like a walking score for tryouts and one of the kids was a freshman.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: He ended up making it, but he was, he struggled, and then the second day writer was with him in this group and the dad was local dad in our community and I get a phone call like one night and I don't know, know this until the dad called lately, like at nine, 45.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: I'm like what is this dude Call him so late for him Like?
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I'll just go hang out right over quick.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: And it's like I heard a voicemail bing, so I went back, listen to the voicemail.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I'm like I hope nothing's wrong, cause he left the message.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: He said hey, give me a call back.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to, um, give you something to have with your son today.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh God, what happened, you know?
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: So I called him back and I'm thinking, obviously my me is everything okay.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: What did Ryder do?
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: He's like he did nothing.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: But my son struggled big time today and your son was in the group and he didn't have to say one word to him because he's a senior.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: He could have treated him like absolute dog shit.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: He literally shot by shot, picked him up and after a second hole he then turned it around and the last six, seven holes he played out of his mind, ended up making the golf team and my son said if he didn't pick him up he wouldn't have been there, and I just wanted you to know how much we appreciate that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: That's crazy.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: So I went in and I got and Ryder was already in bed.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I said hey, dude, wake up.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: He's like well, anything, I'm like I'm just messing with you, but I'm so proud of you.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: He's like what?
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Why did you do that?
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: I'm like cause I like, like to have fun.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: And we had this like amazing hug, amazing talk, amazing bro hug moment, I said, but I, when you get to be like in your twenties and thirties and forties, I hope you remember this moment because all these moments, as people like you shape to, you know guys like Glenn Dacus, marty Osborne, bo Baldwin, coach Pica, all these people like they shaped us, Ryan Fournier, they shape us.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: And then it's up to us, I think, as dads, to then share these stories, because stories sell and in sales slides don't stories sell.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: So how do you have stories?
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: And so, like, as we're helping our kids, kids evolve, like if we have stories as dads and think to be and think, well, I either can share it or don't say anything at all, and I think, the more we can overshare which is one of the reasons I love this journey as a podcaster is you don't have a script and it requires me to be a good listener and then ask questions and then it requires my guests to be open to say that, hey, we're doing this for a reason to help other people, you know.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: So, um, okay.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: So, as you think about all the stuff we've talked about and you think about, like, if you had to like, well, if you had to summarize maybe like two or three things that like are really important for you and Shannon, as you're, as you're raising kids, that maybe through her journey, your journey, that you guys have learned that are like kind of the must haves in the roundy house, like our kids, like these are the two or three things, guys, that we got to be really, really good at.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: Tell me what comes to mind.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, um, being being aware, um, of what they're, where your kids are at, what they're needing, um, and then I'd say, maybe not just providing that, because sometimes what they feel like they need is not what they need, and following up with giving them the guidance on that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: One thing that we haven't talked about, that Shannon and I agree on, is we're not our kids' friends.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: We're definitely their parents relationships and a friend relationship with them, but we're not, we're not their friends.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: They've got friends they need, they need a dad, they need a mom, they need their parent or parent.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: So and there are some things my son comes to me for some things he goes to mom for.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: We have different skill sets and different areas that they feel comfortable.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: So, being open to that, knowing that you're not the guy sometimes you and I may have talked about that in the sales cycle Sometimes you're not the guy to make the pitch, sometimes you're not the guy that's going to create that relationship, and being okay with that.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: I love that I have that partner that I can lean on and then again, providing that opportunity to them.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: There were some that I feel I just didn I can lean on and then again that that providing that opportunity to them.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: There were some that I feel I just didn't get growing up and it was not anyone's fault.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Just kind of where I was in life, where my parents were in life.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: I'm trying to provide more opportunities than I had, even if that's not monetary, it's just pushing them in the direction.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: I was a sports guy, was not a, was not an instrument guy, my son's an instrument guy.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: So providing whatever opportunities and push they need to get to where they're interested.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: So I want to tell, I want to, I want to, I want to go into the story of how we met everybody because I think it's important to kind of, I think it'll back everything.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Jason said this will make sense in a second.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: So I was, you know, uncle Rico moment quarterbacks under Washington back in the 90s and I could probably throw the ball over that mountain if you wanted me to.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: I love it, uncle Rico moment.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: So, and I had, I love Central.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: I still love Central.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: But when I, when I got done, I would get these random people.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: They'll call me.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: And hi, is this Mr Jake Jake, random people that would call me.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: And hi, is this Mr Jake Jake, jake couldn't say my name, but yet they wanted money.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: And, um, I'm like, just no, hey, just invest in me a little bit.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Just show, show me, you did a little research, kind of like how you talk to tuna, shout out to Haberlo and like, and it wasn't like we are these crazy egomaniacs, but it's like, just like you build a relationship, you have to invest in the bank before you take money out of the bank.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: And I remember when, finally, you're like dude, can I just like?
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, I've had the best relationship, best experience with Central over the last few years.
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: A lot of my coaches went to Eastern and it fell on Eastern when I did Central and everybody.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: And then Jason finally says, hey, can I just?
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember that, but I kind of like gave you the freaking, like I was not a happy guy and I'm like I know it's not your fault, but you've.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: But I want to tell you a story.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: And then you probably flash forward two more years, had lunch here, had lunch there, and then finally I realized this dude is legit and he's not.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: He wanted to make get me right before and it was my idea, it was not your idea, I haven't won.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: Finally, finally I said, hey, man, I'm ready to go.
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: And you're like we're talking about, like we got it, we're time to do something.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: And you know, we did a scholarship here, scholarship there.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Now I'm, chris, james is, and chris james is a version of you.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Shout out to you, chris and um, I feel like I always remind them like, without jason around you guys, I'm not, I'm not here.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: And we now like, philanthropically, doing what we've done at central is a huge passion of ours.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: What's impacting kids' lives, and these are things that we we even talked to our kids about.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: We're not to be like, oh, we get to do this, but it's like, no, we have the opportunity because we are very fortunate, very lucky, right guy, right time, right place right, team right.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Little fortunate.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Very lucky, right guy, right time, right place, right, team right, little bit of luck and skill.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: But we're going to it's now.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: We're going to help others because others aren't maybe as fortunate as us, and if we can make an impact on someone else's life, that's.
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: That's the whole boomerang mindset give, serve others, but don't keep score.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: So I just wanted to give you some love there, because I think you've done a fantastic job.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: And and then flash forward.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: We see it like a homecoming game at Central everybody and Jason's at another school and the opportunity that was presented to him really wasn't what it was presented, and so we were talking through and I said have your thought about staffing?
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: I think you do.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: You kill it, dude.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: You're a great relationship builder.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: That's really what the job's about.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: It's being a good listener following up he's like I've never even thought of that.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: And good listener following up he's like I've never even thought of that.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: And six years, almost six years, you're still there.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: I remember you called me and I remember this.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: I remember you called me after one of your um, um, I was to say higher paydays, yeah, and uh, like that made my day.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I still remember that phone call where I was and so like to me, even though I wasn't my commission check, it was the, the, the, the payment of karma in life, I know, is legit and uh, so I couldn't be more proud of you, dude.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Proud of you is the person, the friend, the dad, um and uh, it's just really, really cool to see what you're doing at K-Force.
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: Uh, I, I appreciate hearing that.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, um, loved making that phone call to you.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: I'm I try and say thanks a lot, right, but just the impact you've made on my life, yeah, obviously being at K-Force has been been amazing for me.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: I'm glad I could thank you for that.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: But even outside of that that, uh, first sit down around your kitchen table.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I shared with you the my mindset like I'm going to go in and sell to the top sales guy, right?
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: So, um it, it wasn't sales, uh, like you said it was.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: It was just like let's have a relationship and and see where this goes.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: If, if it's just I tell people this quite often if, if you and I are just catching up on football, if we're catching up on our kids and that's all the relationship ever is, that's a relationship.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: If there's more to it outside of that, great.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: But not the point of me reaching out.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: So I love that you and I have had a relationship beyond central, because that tells me that it's a real relationship.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: It's not just a transactional.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: It's more transformational.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and those are the ones you like telling your kids about, telling your family about, I mean, I think about I don't know if you ever listened to Dale Favors' episode.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: Dale Favors is a gentleman I met on his journey from.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: He's from Orange, new Jersey, okay, and I think East Orange, I think I always meant East or South, I always meant set up, but I met Dale in 2020 and I learned more about diversity and race relationship and race relations and more just about like perspective and he is.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Even though I've only met him twice in my life, I feel like he's one of my closest friends.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: I've talked to him.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: When I need a little support, he's.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: If I don't meet him and the impact he had on me, I don't interview probably five or six teammates of color that I played with that I'd never asked questions like from Mike T to Kenny to Brett Allen, to name a few.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Um, you know, and I just it it forced me to get curious, which is one of my hopefully superpowers that continue to sharpen and we all have curiosity in us.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: If you let it out, but most people let it lay dormant, but it's like that.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I'm still a buddy of his and I'd go play golf and we've never done business together, but he's someone I've gotten a lot of business mentorship from that I've shared with my kids, so I love his stuff.
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, if people have they've heard about before we go into some last minute questions.
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: If people have, I know who K-Force is.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: But if people have not, k-force who does that Like?
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: Is it like the force be with you?
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: You a Star Wars company Like?
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: If people have no idea who K-Force is, tell us who K-Force is and how can people learn more about you and what people at K-Force are doing?
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: And why would it make sense for someone like you know whether you're a candidate or a company to reach out for help?
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so we do technology talent solutions.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: We also do technology consulting solutions.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: We well now I'm fumbling on my words, right, because I'm trying to give more about k-force.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: So again it goes back to the relationship.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: One thing that I've loved about k-force not surprising, knowing that you introduced me we're our emphasis is making sure it's a fit all the way around, right.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: When we're working with a technology candidate, really not trying to push them into just accepting the offer, just moving forward with an interview or an opportunity, it's lining up that opportunity for them.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Companies whom I support and hiring managers, directors, vps, cios, working with them to understand what are you really trying to accomplish, trying to understand their business better, their approach, and then trying to find a solution that may fit for them.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: Or maybe we're not the right solution, that's fine too, but again, if you've got that relationship piece, it's a good fit at K-Force.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: So if you're a candidate searching for a technology job, a finance and accounting job, if you're a company looking to bring on call it staff augmentation or services work, we'll make sure Jason's linked in the show notes, everybody linked in the show notes, everybody and um, we'll make sure it's.
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: He's an easy one to reach out, and what the thing I love about him is if he can't help you, he'll be the first to tell you and he'll find you a new friend, which is one of the very first lines of what I love about my the right, because I'm obviously a love writing too, but writing a book Cause I.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: I told my kids that um, dad makes friends for a living when they were seven years old, and that's kind of what I feel like.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: That's why you and I hit it off.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: I feel like we both do that, Yep, and really kind of a corny, simple way to look at it, but it's true.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Lastly, if you were to summarize everything we've talked about today from your family to your brother, to your sisters to work, to Shannon, to the kids that maybe dads can take from our conversation today to say, wow, I learned a lot about maybe one, two and three or A, B and C, from a theme perspective or an action item perspective, Tell me what are some things that dads can take from our conversation to help them, be that ultimate quarterback or lead to their home.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say the biggest thing keep your eyes wide open, Don't blink on things.
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: Definitely be self-introspective, be aware of what's going on around you.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: That's what got me through a lot of the stuff growing up with my brother Spencer, with with my family and then and then with my kids.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: It's easy to get too busy.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: It's easy to say, oh, things are really hard right now.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're really hard right now, but kind of how we started or talked about earlier, there's something for you that next day if you wake up.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: So wake up that next day looking for that new thing, that new opportunity, the new way to drive your kids forward, Because it's there.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Someone else definitely has it worse than you do, no matter what you're going through.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Well said, brother.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Well, it's now time to go into the lightning round where I show you the negative hits.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I've taken too many bong hits Not bong hits, but football hits at Central.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Bong, yeah, bong, but football hits at central.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Um, yeah, getting dinged ahead, even though I had a fantastic offensive line.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: I just sometimes, back in the 90s as quarterbacks, took a lot, of, a lot of bigger hits um than the quarterbacks do now.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: I know I sound like the guy walking up stone backwards and still, but it's truth.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: Uh, your job's to answer as quickly as you can, I hope, to get a giggle out of you.
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: Are you ready?
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, true or false?
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: You own the deadlift record at Central Washington for 1,200 pounds?
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: False, okay, true or false?
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: You own the Campus Utotem eating burger contest for having 14 burgers in an hour.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: False.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: I wish that was true.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: All right, I giggled at my own joke.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: We're tied.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: If I was to come to your house for dinner right now, what would we have?
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: We would have curry, uh, Japanese curry.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Wow, who's cooking?
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: Shannon, I'm not a cook man.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Love it.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Um, if there was to be a you and Shannon, we're gonna go on vacation right now.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: No kids, just you two.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Where are you going?
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: Ireland.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: Tell me why.
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: Uh well, I love Ireland.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: Um comedy I'm writing.
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: My favorite playwright is Martin McDonough.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: Um most people probably haven't read him, but um love that playwright.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: I really liked the Irish culture and I want to um go to an Island place that isn't um Sandy beaches and.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Shannon's Shannon's history is around there too.
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: Okay very cool.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Ancestry.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: If there was to be a book written about your life, tell me the title.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: Just Call Me Roundy.
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: Okay, most people don't call me Jason.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: They've always just called me Roundy.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: How many Roundys have you met?
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: That's the title.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I call you around you, it makes sense.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Okay, now just call me.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: Roundy is killing it and um, um.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: Every bookstore, even the ones in ellensburg, they can't keep this.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: This.
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: Just call me around you on the shelves, because it's just freaking selling out everywhere.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Every airport can't sell and so finally, people at hulu and netflix like shit.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe we should make this into a movie.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: They finally finally are.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: You're the casting director, mr Roundy, who is going to star you in this critically acclaimed hit movie.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: I've got two answers for you.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: I'd love Mark Wahlberg to play me, just because I mean, look at that guy, how fit he is right.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Who will probably play me?
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: Either Kevin James, just because of our shapes, or like a Fred Durst.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: I've been told I look like Fred Durst.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: Okay, maybe I like both those choices, but I think either one is a win.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: And then, last question tell me two words that would describe Shannon.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: Breath of fresh air.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Those are hyphenated.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: That's a hyphenated adjective for you and caring.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: I've never heard that before, but I love it.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: And we've never made it a five-word answer into one word by hyphenating it.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: But it's true, we did it.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: We have my rules, I can do what.
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: I want I can write that right.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Here we go, roundy, the lightning round's over.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: We both giggled.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: We'll call it tie, but I think I'm going to give you the dub because I always let my guests win.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: This has been an absolute blast.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: I'm so grateful that you spent time with me today.
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: I'm so grateful for your story.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Rest in peace, mom.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: Rest in peace Spencer.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Who would have thought that 10 years ago you'd said hey, I know that you're pissed at us right now, but just in 10 years I'm going to be on your podcast.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I'm like what the hell are you talking?
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: about.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: You're like what's a podcast?
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: Can I fax you that?
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Can I send it in the mail?
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: But I think I love the advice you gave us.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: I love the story.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: I hope there's dads at home that took a lot of notes like I did.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: I have a page full of notes, Um, for everybody watching on video.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Thank you for spending time with us.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: For people who listening on wherever you consume your podcast, Thank you.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: If you do not subscribe, just hit that subscribe now and or follow us and you'll get notified of every new episode that comes out.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: And if you think there's a dad out there or someone else that you think would be, would benefit from this conversation today.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Um, there's over 260 something episodes we've done.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Uh, we're in season five.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Um, we are not stopping.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Don't tell anybody, everybody, but I get free therapy out of every episode, so, selfishly, I do this for me too, and but Jason's been great spending time with you.
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: Best of luck to you.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: I'm very proud of all the work and success you're having at Cape Horse brother.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Likewise Always love seeing you.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: Thanks, Casey.