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- Well, let's talk about spanking. Shall we? Rachel was visiting a friend. She's probably three or four in that that a four school age and our neighbor had a little kids and so we would trade back and forth. So I went over to pick her up and when I walked in she said, oh, is it time to go? So I thought a big opportunity. I got her home. I didn't address it there, but um I did give her spanking. It's true. I did. But I just said when I come in, you're gonna say, hi mom, you know, that's how we do this. So the next time she went over there I did the review. Now remember when I come You're gonna say hi mom. You're not gonna say oh I didn't want to go so beautiful because then when I picked her up it was just all that interwebs went berserk and they didn't stop either. They still went berserk. They kept on going. A lot of people didn't really like that. Even you know, it's crazy is a lot of people didn't like that clip even though that we have some people who believe in spanking. Oh, yeah, no, and we're gonna talk about that too. Yeah, they brought it up again. Yes, when we when we dropped the this doc spanker kids save America. Which I like the title. Yeah, I think that was a great title. I don't care what you say. That was a great title. Everybody I know you're watching right now you guys had a problem with that. I don't care. It was a great title That's why you watched it and if you haven't seen it you need to go see it. This is a series that we've started for a 10-year anniversary But it's called 10 shots. I want to keep saying to the head But it's not to the head. It's 10 shots of sanity. There you go. The series. Yeah, and it's our 10-year anniversary series Yes, that's right 10 years guys have been super kind of cross-politic And so this is a way of us being able to bless you We've always wanted to do something like this. We did the world view shotgun series that series is Hands down one of my favorite. I should have that stinger still available Yeah, if you haven't heard The world view shotgun series you're probably because you've only been listening across politics for like the last two or three years Go back about seven years It was seven or eight years ago. I think you can search it on the fight left-east app What you should have your shotgun series download the fight left-east app and and search it and Yeah, it's one that was one of our early series that we did Yes, explain you know our worldview and and how we were applying biblical teaching to politics Yes, because a lot of people kept hitting this up and saying like I agree with what you're saying But I don't understand how you get there right like what is the connections you're making from here and there And so what we did in world view shotgun series was basically Lay out for you our worldview biblical doctrine. How does it work? It was basically a 101 and biblical theonomy We didn't want to say that I know I do it but by the time people jumped on it was like okay, it's theonomy And this but that's the thing though a lot of people They do not want to claim the name But when you listen to how they articulate their biblical world view That's exactly what they're doing. They're using biblical theonomy at the end of the day They just don't like the name. They don't want to have to deal with the fight of it and so they just go ahead and say Well, I'm just using biblical world view. It's like that's theonomy But anyway, there's all kinds of things coming so Go check out the world view shotgun series if you're live streaming right now with this go ahead and share and tell everybody We're here. We're actually live. I'm looking at the comments and I don't see any comments But if I see any comments from you guys I'll be sure to try and bring them up if you guys have any questions thoughts um, I love to see you guys Say what you think about the series I might be generous today to invite people to come on and actually ask us questions Live and I might be depends on how many people are streaming this side to kick it was I'm feeling a little generous Gabe is not here today. He's out doing business makers. Is that right? Remember correctly? He's I don't best getting venues for oh, yes for the conference I made business makers as well. I can I can keep up with pray the Lord gives him blessings that we do that Um, and so it's just me and pastor Toby today, and so we're gonna handle this um, so We'll see how the these whole live stream runs if it does run well and you guys want to talk I might just let you in here. So we were talking about where we shot gun series now. Let's talk. Let's go back to the duck DJ Could you bring me back to the screen? Thank you very much appreciate that look at this good having a producer. It's gonna be a doozy three point one million views on ex viral on Tech talk and even newsweek picked it up Many outrage responses called it child abuse called for Mrs. Wilson to be locked up and her children taken away accusations of assault Even death threats and I'm thinking the generation ago This was normal if you have a grandma that's quoting proverbs telling young mothers to discipline their kids and now it's national news And now it's even dangerous and perhaps most surprisingly many of these reactions came from professing Christians Okay As Doug Wilson said in response to the whole ruckus it is time for us to say I allowed what really needs to happen a very large number of our evangelical leaders need to become Christians Am I questioning their salvation? Well, yes, yes, I am but if America is full of evangelicals who need to become true Christians America is in deep trouble I gotta go back. I gotta go back. I gotta go back. Look at talk about this. What's that you know about the talk? Okay, I gotta stop it there. Okay, so There's a couple things I love about this dog. First of all, I love the doc because it's a unique conversation and we need to have it And I want to talk about the blind spot that people have About this conversation and because it's a lot of people again A lot of people saw this and said I speak my kids, but I wasn't I'm not willing to speak my kids for what Nancy spade her kids for right That sounds wrong right and I'm gonna talk about that. I'm gonna do it then the second But I'm gonna play this and I'm gonna stop it again because this is so well she's right there in the scene. I'm just gonna leave it We went to go film at your house, right and your wife was gonna she's in the film with us But she's in the she's just in the back doing her thing for real. Yeah, and it's like the for me this brought so much joy to my heart And I don't think people understand why I'm gonna try to explain why this is so amazing. Yeah, it's because This is this is not fake Now she was like making lunches for kids. She was like I gotta make the lunches for the kids and we gotta feel So it's like and it just happened and it was like watching her go back there and not pay us any attention And it's like it's in my mind I thought about this idea that we have this war going on in like we have our man who are going out in the bill and in the battle field And they're fighting they're engaging culture They're fighting online whatever they're doing right then they're doing their things and you got your wife Yeah, she's in the house Running the fake you know, I mean, it's just like it's so beautiful to see yeah, and it's like souls are being managed and taking care of it Why we're just out here and she's not phased at all and that's totally her happy place too like her happy places in the background You know making a hole. That's like that You know like I mean you know like you know, I tell her you know once a year like you're gonna come on the wide show Yes, and she's like okay You know and she does it, but that's not her favorite, you know like her you know what her favorite is is to be in the background Like you see her there yeah Making dinner making making lunch. I mean she loves teaching kids at low-cost school She loves being a mom and a wife, but you know, that's that's her favorite place, but it's really fun to be caught her It was such a huge testimony I think It was not acting as this thing is like it was not just just happened. She's just doing it and I don't know if anybody caught it Yeah, but I know but it's gonna make you know, it's gonna make your heart happy for the rest of your life I'm gonna every time I'm gonna stop it. It's like praise god. Yeah praise god for her work. Yeah So I pulled off a few of these responses on our YouTube Video that you're talking about yeah, so somebody in the comment and then KBE KBE Oh, you got one already we got one in the group that statement not willing to spank for her reasoning. Yeah, there you go So there's there's several add to this Here's one from YouTube based on the clip the reason Mrs. Wilson spanked her daughter is the concern Not the fact that she spanked her if she spanked it for not celebrating her arrival to pick her up to her liking That doesn't seem a good justification It's a little misleading to use that example to highlight outrage over spanking Pro spanking believers could disagree about the application here while championing using the rod appropriately So there's that's a similar example Here's another one Excuse me what I understand why Christians were outraged by the example you gave at the beginning This child was not being disobedient. She was expressing a completely normal feeling disappointment That's actually a really helpful phrase there. Yeah, completely normal feeling. Yeah, did the child scream at her mom and run away No, this is a wild take and I'm a believer who does consider the rod necessary in certain circumstances And then one last one I believe in discipline. There's not enough of it But spanking because you want praise question mark wow talk about missing the point So so that's that's maybe Maybe the place we want to drill down on for this for this live stream Yeah, I think that's one of them at least one of them because I think that part of what we were trying to do The show really what we talked about spanking the show was much bigger than that like when we the show was about save in America And pastor Wilson talks about this a lot, you know, he says hard to make a good omelette with bad eggs Right, and I think that people don't understand what makes a bad egg That's what we're talking about the eggs. We're talking about the family like right The the family is the core institution of society. Sure However well they turn out is how well your society turns out, right? And so when we're we're talking about the responsibility of a parent We're talking about their responsibility to groom and train their heart to obedience and joyful obedience to their parents, right? And when but I think that what you just said though is the thing that I don't know that people always get you said train their heart That's right To joyful obedience yes, which includes that that wouldn't mean their emotions their affections their heart. Yes, and that's a piece Though that I think is what is tripping some people up on this so here's here's one of the things that I was thinking about with this And I don't want to put words in I call our first lady That's first she would hate that But I call it first like I don't want to put words in my mouth But I thought about this for a moment and I was thinking Here's this gift that the parent just gave their child right to be able to go and enjoy the company of a friend and hang out there And have all the excitement and the attitude that should have been in place when the child sees the gift giver Was thank you joy joy. Oh, thank you so much. It's time to go. Oh, you giving me so much. Thank you so much I can't wait for this again and the appreciation that should have radiated from the heart Instead act like it deserved what it got right well and I so um You actually you actually spoke to this in a draft of the doc And yes, and you we ended up cutting it So one of the problems with having all this lovely content yeah And trying to stay around the 25 minute mark is that we get so much content But I think but I think honestly Christians have been far more Discipled by Disney Mm-hmm, then they have By the word of God and and this and this clip um that didn't make it into the final doc I think you were getting it that in a really helpful way We need to understand that gentle parenting the movement it didn't just appear from nowhere The philosophical underpinning of egalitarianism were seated decades earlier And much of it was in the stories that we told our children Disney It taught an entire generation the same lie Follow your heart Think about every Disney movie that you grew up on the hero is the one who defies their parents Ariel disobeys her father she gets to print symbol runs away and becomes king Moana she ignores her dad and saves her people the message when your heart disagrees with your parents Follow your heart But that's an inversion of the authority structure that God designed parents have the authority over the hearts of their children And when a child's heart leads them towards foolishness the parents job is to guide that heart through discipline Through correction through the rod towards the right path Disney flipped all of that The children's heart became the ultimate authority and parents became obstacles to self-discovery And a generation So Several things here not I mean number one I don't think people we touch on this in the doc, but I we didn't have time to develop it deeply But the thing that many people failed to realize is that um the the crime in the streets Began as a seed in the heart Mm-hmm And so I mean that's the point we're making we're saying disciplining your children like you're raising citizens Like that's why this is about saving America But the thing that people I don't think realizes like so when you see a bad attitude Yes, and a little kid That is the seed of a riot Like that's a seed like that bad attitude that refusal and and maybe we even need to like drill down even more I think you and I assume certain things that maybe some Christians don't realize you know Number one nobody's saying that the way that Nancy addressed her daughter Is what every parent has to do in every circumstance? There are multiple tools and each parent is assigned by God to use wisdom But what we are saying is that what she did in that moment was very reasonable is it's biblical yes It is a biblical example and where Christians say I can't believe you would do that I would say I don't think you understand then the nature of sin To have a bad attitude Not being grateful. Yes. Not being joyful when your mom is giving you this gift and she returns and Jesus says time to go home Jesus says murder Begins in the heart When you think in your heart Right right Jesus said you just stabbed your brother right and and and you and Christians don't believe Jesus Christians Jesus says when there's a little curse in the heart a little anger in the heart You just stabbed your brother Yeah, that's and we and we we talk about this in the dock where we're saying like you know like the the poor Ukrainian girl that gets stabbed in the neck right Like you're in a zirruska. Yeah, like that starts with a three or four year old saying Yep Like like honey. It's time to go now and she Like and Christian parents like no, no, like that's not a fit. Yeah. Oh it is that is that is the seed of Rage that is the seed of murder Jesus says Paul washer talks about this I should I want to grab the clip and I didn't put that in the film But Paul washer talks about like you see your kids as their babies and you see them throwing fits And he's like the only pro and say we laugh as all that's cute He's like but the problem is is that they're only missing the strength that goes along with that at that point right Yeah, their heart is already in place if they could kill you they would have All right, I don't think rip you apart and people just they look at their cute and they're no I mean like they are cute, but like that sin is not cute. Yeah, that that sin is vile. I mean that it's it's it's it's it's it's it's murderous Um or another another the other thing that Jesus points to about our hearts. He says adultery begins in the heart. Mm-hmm. He says when a man looks at a woman to lust after her that that that's already adultery And again, I don't think people connect these dots is like You said a minute ago the parents job is to train hearts. Yeah That means training affections that that means saying okay, no, no, no That little desire right there To not cheerfully obey That's that's turning to help That's turning and and and and and this This is again related to sexual morality like do we do we have you know and many Christians will be like yeah Hate the sexual immorality hate pornography. Hey, you know only fans. Hey rampant adultery hate all those things Okay, then if you want to fight those in the street Start fighting them now in the hearts of your little kids When they're three and they're four and they're saying I want to do this. Yep. This feels good to me, right? I don't want to obey you cheerfully. I don't want to submit to the word of God right now Ah, well some of us are willing to it. This is what I've noticed. We are willing to accept obedience. That's not cheerful Like and one of the things I thought was so amazing about this moment because I before all the hype Before blew up. I was remembering looking at the clip and I was thinking huh I've missed this yeah, like as a parent you were like taking notes. I was taking notes Because I was noticing her pattern recognition was instantaneous It was faster and she didn't wait three years for the develop right she caught it so early and I was like oh I missed this like I wasn't catching this and so part of I go back to this again Remember our responsibility is to train our kids so that they can meet with us with our enemies at the gates That's what we're supposed to be doing So when we are working with our kids they have the joyful obedience to obey immediately I tell my kids is I'm going to start from Voting you do what I say when I say with a good attitude Immediately, right? Like that's the response that needs to be inside of our kids because guess what that's the same thing that God has required of us Right, and that's the thing in parenting to remember this is not a parent Being an eagle megalomania Yeah, Eagle man Eagle megalian both of them all of that you know what I'm talking about But it's like that that's no it's actually a parent submitting to God God says you have to teach your children to obey Right, and it begins by them obeying you and when you teach them to obey you You're teaching them to obey me God says and if you don't have that in your mind like I'm required by God to model God to my kids. No, are you God? No, you're not your under God But God says I want them to learn to obey me by obeying you which means right away all the way and cheerfully Oh past I don't like what you just said because here's Yeah, I know because when you start under this is a doctrine of God issue It is really a doctrine of God issue because think about for a moment And this is why we don't like what Nancy did because if we have to obey our parents like that And that models what we how we're supposed to be in a be obeying God Then when as soon as we get something from going. Yeah No, no, you're absolutely right. We we know we refuse to discipline the hearts of our children Because that would mean we have to discipline our hearts before God in the same way. Yeah, we're a we're a bunch We're a bunch of grumpy muffins. It's right and we think that that God is somehow okay with that You don't get to drag your feet and obedience. No, you're hearty neatly turns. Yeah, joy. Yeah, I got lower. Yeah Like and it's not and it here's a thing and it's because of the gift Like I've been working my kids they were asking like dad or we are many in our Calvinist right and I'm like Well, which one do you think there's like our many of these sounds like her as the Emily raised you right Yes, but you're hoping you're hoping because and one of the things that I said I was talking about is like dip Plagianism versus semi-plagian versus you know Sovereignty and the people who understand the gift are the ones who then respond and joy When you understand that you were dead you couldn't reach the God there was nothing in you Whatsoever that you could do you didn't you to have existence yourself you were dead and your trespasses and sins with no righteousness And God breathe life into you, right? So you say thank you, right? Everything after that is a gift God made you a life he gave you his his his his image and he's put breath of life And you gave you fruit and trees and all these things and when God comes walkers of God you don't hide You say thank you, right? Yeah, and so like that's one of the things that I think is that the center of this is like we've forgotten The and I man it's kind of the things I want us to do a conference on the Holies of God because I think we've talked about so many things around politics in our last Like seven years of biblical Christianity and evangelicalism and we talked about application a lot of biblical doctrine But I'm watching us shift to slip away from understanding sovereignty and understanding holiness and like all these things This is why we're going and talking about holy wars like all these things Are getting back to the holiness of God which is why everything in the world matters Yeah, right holiness isn't something that's contained inside in your thought process And so you just try not to sin it's actually how you act in the world That's really good and and again like we are so biblically illiterate And we read the Old Testament holiness code Like the cleanliness codes and Christians don't know what to do with that And God's like watch out What you touch? Watch out where you go watch out what you wear watch how how you do your your hair watch out like all this stuff And he's teaching them holiness and even though those particular guidelines have passed away with with the Old Testament ceremonial code the whole point of it was training wheels to teach all of us that everything you do Everything you touch everything you wear God cares about. Yes, it's all holy to God. Oh pass I don't know if we're gonna get through all this because KB KB is in here talk and thank you KB I appreciate the comments, but so KB says KB KB So by the same logic when that woman is grumpy to her husband Cheshiree be back slapped Ha ha Now this is this is fascinating Because KB you don't know that you're doing this, but you you haven't thought through the biblical categories and rules of authority and And hierarchy A husband doesn't have the rod a rule of rod over his wife, right? And so no he doesn't but he does have the responsibility As her head to deal with the grumpy attitude, right? But the the rule of the rod is not given to him towards his wife It is given to them towards their children. So it's a different category in the same way the rule of the sword is not given to the family to use Which we talk about in the doc as well. This is one of my favorite parts of the doc So how a husband deals with his wife and his grumpy attitude like we talked about in the doc Which we should play this part too We should play the part and I'm gonna DJ. I'll tell you when It the second part of the doc that I cut piece of a doc that I cut dealt with the fact of There's two ways to ruin our children, right? And it deals with when you and I think this is in the doc too When you come to discipline your kids your heart needs to be dealt with first So that you're not disciplining your kids and anger But as a point of restoring fellowship to them you're going to save them This is going after that single sheep that's going to stray I'm gonna go save you and so you're not angry about this not in the sinful way You're coming with the restorative attitude And so when a husband sees sin in his wife His first responsibility is to deal with his own sin like is there something An examine his his whole situation Is there something going on here that I need to take account too that I'm sending so that I can deal what's going on And then after he's dealt with his own sin if he needs to repent he needs to go do that And then he can deal properly with his wife's sin in this instance And that is having a conversation and calling her to repentance And in the same way after you spank your kid you call them repentance But you're not spaking your wife. We're not Muslims Right and I think it's really important You know the reason for that is the clear jurisdictions that not just mentioned so Parents together are given jurisdiction over young children and have duty to discipline young children Using the rod but the but the husband doesn't have that same kind of Uh jurisdiction over his wife. That's just he has authority. He's her head But it's it's not the same. KB's tracking with us. I see you KB salute. Okay. All right So I wanted to play this clip the guy cut from the the doc talking about discipline because Most of the time when you talk about spanking There is definitely a character spanking that exists right like yeah And and I understand that one and it's abusive they they would like to use that word I don't like to say use that word because I don't think people know what abuse is really anymore I mentioned this where with us you know when we did foster care training Yeah, it was routinely mentioned along with you know biting kicking Spitting right and and like and you know spanking as if it was just one of those things yeah, and so But This was dealing with the two ways that you can ruin your kid There are two ways to destroy our children the first one is cruelty you beat them in anger you humiliate them You break their spirits until they either become rebellious or become hollow all together The scripture condemns this and fathers are not to provoke their children to rat. That's what Ephesians six forces But the second error is worse remember Eli he was a priest His sons were very wicked. They stole sacrifices They slept with women who were serving with them at the tapernacle and Eli knew about all of this He confronted them once no consequences no removal from ministry nothing God's judgment well both sons were killed in a single day The arc of God was captured Eli hearing about this he falls over backwards and breaks his neck gentle fathering a destroyed family and a nation without its priesthood Which means it could buy the glory of God had departed from Israel David made a similar mistake with absolah David the man after guys own heart couldn't discipline his own son the result you have a civil war And you have absolah dead hanging from a tree and then you have David weeping old high son my son absolah You have two different errors going on here, but it's the same sin that's underneath both of them You have parents who love their own comfort more than their children's soul The harsh parent they want obedience without the work of instruction the lenient parent they want peace without the pain of confrontation Both are forms of selfishness and the child knows the difference The ride without instruction is brutality But instruction without the rod that's Eli that's David that's where we have right now in a modern America Hmm Man It's hard to cut that kind of stuff man. I don't know how you do that It was easy to cut because it was me if it was you guys I probably would have left it like me. I cut it Yeah, it's easy to cut that stuff You know as someone who grew up underneath a very strict household my father my mom was really fantastic a discipline I don't remember I think She was rightfully angry at me when she disciplined me and so her anger felt righteous You know, it wasn't like anger that was like I hate you. It was like I you know, I'm it was more rescued So I got good discipline for my mom. There's just one time. I probably deserve it, you know But for my father my father was not good at discipline My son is a child angered him to the point that he was mad at me You know, I mean not in a rescue type of way. So then I got beatings right and And I'm great. Can I say this? I'm gonna say this and people aren't gonna like it. I'm grateful for those I am so grateful for those because even in my dad's error of spanking me Like I learned he wasn't spanking me for no reason. Yeah, there was sin there right and even though he did it wrong I still learn right And that's the mercy of God in this. Yeah, by the way, it prays God if parents have done this wrong That's why I would say previous eras this is not not just by no any any sin Against Against kids But previous eras where spanking was normal Even when it was sometimes done in in anger and harshly and so on I think we had a more healthy culture because because we I think you had kids that were growing up Learning though that there was still there was still a right side up to the world Right, and like even even though they might know like okay There's something off about this. There's something wrong about this. They were being taught No, like there's hard consequences for certain kinds of actions. Yes And and we but we have generations not that have grown up who think they can remake the world however they want And those hard consequences are still going to hit them like a freight train But they've been trained and in discipleed into thinking you can make the world however you want to make it You can you can say hormones You you can decide to be a different gender you can murder your baby in the womb You can do whatever you want and that and somehow again disney gospel. It's going to work out for you there was Because of what people have seen done wrong. They think therefore let's remove it out of the category because we've had bad spanking We should have no spanking that's where the You know this new movement, you know gentle parenting has come in. It's like let's just remove spanking all together You can that you gotta remember beatings for the back of fools That's what the Bible says right right and when somebody has foolish is bound into them There's a way to get it out and and in our and in our video We I think we had the clip where I think it was from the interview that um Oh, what's her name? I think you'll try it. Yes, I did with um alley best stuck alley best stucky And I think it was alley best in fact you pointed it out that like When parents failed to discipline That means you're leaving it up to the state. Yes, and and like and and so it's it's not like Corporal punishment or no corporal punishment. It's all there's always going to be corporal punishment There's always going to be a you know, it's it's it's you're going to end up with the police Baton yeah, or or worse You know a prison sentence or a death penalty. Yeah Well, and that's the thing though. I even think though and this is one of the things we pointed to the die I didn't think we had no time to work this thought through but even that has failed. Oh, yeah, right like even those things like I I wouldn't have a problem from for some sort of like Scaning I think that totally is valid. Um, I remember that when I was a kid. I remember that guy that went over to China uh and spray painted a bunch of cars. Okay. Yeah, he just did some vandalism there and then and so one of the things they do there is they came right and so he got They were trying to I was a kid. I remember this so clearly and they were trying to America to push to make China not can't even I'm like Well, he's in China and spray painted a bunch of cars Now in America and so he should know and that's what they do. Well, I mean for you never heard from him again I think that was the last car he's a spray brain I'm just saying maybe you learn the last thing it worked. I mean, but but for millennia even in western christian nations that was an option I mean, I mean you We're whipping of of an adult. Yes Um, um, uh, those two those are options for me that in and restitution. Yeah, right there's those two things there because here's what happens Outside of that we become a very unjust country Where the people go to jail Who Still something and then that restitution is never repaid But the person who just got stolen from has to pay for that person to be in jail talk about three to five years or whatever Right just absolutely unjust so now and then you put that you stack it and you have a system which we talked about I think it was over two trillion dollars a year right right In just that kind of system on the in the world view of all this of course is humanism Mm-hmm. It's it's basically this humanistic view that says people are basically good And the reason why they do evil is because they haven't been taught enough They just need information. They just haven't been given the right Education that's this is good about the pelagianism exactly. It's totally exactly right come on now And that's good if you just give them the right information that's good But that was the advent of prisons I mean the reason why we started going to prison systems rather than restitution and punishment man is good It's because man is good and what we need is we just need to give them a re-education. Oh, are you done? Oh, wow It's exactly right and and so we just they just need to be reeducated. They just they just need to be Reformed and so prisons were sent were created actually to give these people sort of this rehabilitation Dead man can drink water No, you're totally right. You're totally right, but it's all based on that rather than saying You did wrong. Yes, this is evil and this is the discipline or the punishment due to your actions Yes, which is far more first of all just um dignifying yeah, yeah, absolutely you did this action You you your choices matter. I call this the dignity of guilt. Yeah, this is the dignity of guilt You did this it was wrong. It was evil. This is the punishment. This is the penalty But then also it allows for you to actually repent That's come on now past. I mean this is why I hate time out yeah You know like the whole idea of disciplining children by just saying like look you're just sort of under a black cloud Which is what happens frequently and and I think in these like non-spanking isolation Yeah, like you're gonna sit over there and think about it for a while now first of all a four five year old boy a four year old boy He can't think Fulishness in there he's like he's not thinking about it He's in the corner just wondering like when do I get out? How do you know when I when I win dinner? Yeah, you know like I'm mad And like you're not teaching him anything You know and it's like you know he's not thinking about it, but it but it's just you know I mean maybe when they're older when there's t and ijr you can give us a moment to think about it or whatever because they're at a point where they maybe maybe but maybe but in general the most gracious thing is to spank Um forgive restore fellowship and then boom sounds back out Yeah, that's one of the things that you said inside the duck with your wife and one of the things that gave hit on two was that this is about restoration And this is one of the reasons why the current a judicious system I don't like because What we have is we have career criminals now because we create an environment for that And then we don't have restitution pay back to the victim But in that we don't have restoration between the criminal and the victim anymore right like that's another thing Really important the way it's talked about is it's described as crimes against society. Yeah, yeah Society against the state. Yeah, and it's like no I mean, I mean, I guess if you burn down the capital building okay fine, right? But like no most of these crimes are committed against other individual people yeah, and those Relationships need to be restored. That's right. Do restitution ask for forgiveness right the I mean occasionally there are still letters of apology, but it's very far a few far Part of the punishment though is the rest of like part of the discipline is like This is why put it right. This is why I liked indenture service Okay, can I just say it? I mean we lost Oh Just going I'm just seeing it all would be spanking it didn't just serve. Well, that's like slavery people But don't think the amendment did not outlaw slavery. That's right. It just changed. He was in charge only said that the state could have slaves That's right and they're called penitentiaries in prisons. That's right. Um, so slavery is still perfectly legal That's what Kanye was talking about 13th amendment right he's like this a problem and now we're quoting Kanye. Yeah What else could happen on this show? But the the value of a true regulated indentured servitude is you work off your debt If you can't pay it because a lot of people can't then you work it off and you work and you're working it off To the person you harmed and then as soon as the debt is paid you go free. Yeah, and again That's the dignity of putting things right and a handshake at the end that says hey Thank you for paying that back and you can go back into society with your head held held high. Yeah Because you you know yeah, you failed you did something wrong, but you put it right You made it right and you've been reconciled to the one that did you wrong? So you did wrong to I might have Been in jail my Older years if one for my mama I stole some gum and and she found the gum underneath the bed And I didn't pay for it made me take it back to the store. Yeah And when I went back to the store she said and you're gonna apologize to the man And I thought okay, I'm gonna go do that after she got done beat me. I did get a good weapon on them And I learned not to um still anymore, but one of the things that was crazy was When we were there she's like and he's going to work for you for the next week Wow, I knew I loved your mom She told the man and and I looked at her like I am right I learned I in in that moment I learned more about that store and what they had to go through to bring us goods and services And I became indebted to them for that knowledge and I looked at every time now to this day when I go and see gum on the shelf I remember what it takes to get it there I remember the trucks and the people taking the time out to get them to try and take care of It's stuck in the shelf Organizing and everything and what I did was I took from those people's families Right, like I took from those people's families and they wouldn't be able to support their family because of what I was doing And I'm like I am destroying the various society that I say that I love right and and it was it was that and that's what we're missing in the process of End interest servitude going back and working off what it was that you took and the Bible look the Bible has limitations on this It has a whole layout of this it has caseloads on how to do this right and so there's a there's limits here But what we have now is that we're not getting those restorations. I didn't look at like um, I didn't look at like with the writers they're like oh you have this and I don't have that and so now I'm gonna take it from you No, I didn't understand the way Singing as you're talking nox like I mean all that shoplifting that's going on Yes, yes, we're you know and certain places and is in San Francisco or whatever like yeah I'm gonna prosecute if it's not like 1500 dollars whatever it is and then you know whenever one of these riots breaks out in Minneapolis or one of these places You see all these videos of people just riding into shops and there's just walking out with these things and it's like These people did not have a mom That said no you were not gonna grow up and be that one joyful obedience becoming from your heart And when there's an infraction a pack of gum. Yeah, you know a lot of moms Oh, it's just a little pack of gum. It's not a big deal. It's like no your mom knew that grows up into a into a monster Yes, and we're gonna we're gonna nip it in the bud right now um In some 19 one of the one of the Uh, text I just thinking of earlier when you were talking about this is he says David says who can understand his errors Just a really good question Who can understand evil who can understand why we sin And it says cleanse thou me from secret faults Keep back. I serve and also from presumptuous sins let them not have demeaning over me and then I shall be upright and I shall be innocent from the great transgression Think the people don't understand David's talking about where does sin and evil come from? Will you have secret sins presumptuous sins and great transgressions And and parents frequently think I'm gonna go after those presumptuous sins You know when when he throws the fit and he says no and you know takes a swing at me Okay, then I'll spank for that because that's presumptuous clear. Yeah, it's clear And but David is saying no, no, this starts more in places where it looks like a secret sin It's in the heart and and that's where parents really have to be praying for wisdom to study the hearts of their kids And I don't again, I just want to underline this point and I think there's something um the the proverbs in particular underline um Think about this Proverbs 23 says my son Give me your heart My son give me your heart like that's what you're in that's what you're your commission by God to do is get your sons your daughter's hearts And how do you get the hearts? Well foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction drives it far from him you get into his heart Yes through rod the rod and teaching through rod and discipline through rod and and correction You know one of the things that I've seen in my wife and I discipline in our kids um The joy that it brings to the family I I think you and your wife were talking about that. I can't speak highly enough about it Yeah, like yeah, and the failure and my biggest failure in the discipline of my kids has not been to be on top of it fast enough But I think that that has been my biggest failure like of all of it And I'm seeing it because like okay, maybe well I can think your wife was talking about is like okay, you've waited for a while thinking they'll get over to something and you're trying your best to be merciful Right, you'd think you're being nice And but you're not actually helping the kid and that's what I've had to click in my head Stop hurting your child like that's what I'm doing in those moments. The proverb say the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel Oh Out well, thanks past that's very comforting for me and I and oh, but we've all done it. Oh nox, but we've all done it Oh, we we think we're being merciful and we're actually being cruel Um, you can break your child out of that prison Like like sin is slavery. That's what the Bible says sin is slavery a bad attitude is a prison cell And you can break them out like no, no, you're my son. You're my daughter. I love you. Let's get out of that jail. Let's get out of prison Pass let me ask you something What is the sin going on in the parents heart that stops them from engaging that because it's something it's there's a sin there That it's a bunch of things, but I mean one of them we touched on earlier. Yeah, I think it's it's holiness of God Issue well, and it's and it's also you know, but you would know like That would deal with you like so much of parenting is you're just doing mirror You're like you're looking in a mirror. Yeah, and you know if you discipline them for that bad attitude You're in the block too. What about your attitude to when your husband asked you to do something for you Or your wife asked you to do something where you you know, where you kind of grumpy in your heart Did you push back did you have a bad attitude and suddenly it's like I can't do that. That would be hypocrisy A lot of parents don't discipline their kids and the heart level because that would put a razor You know, they got hypocrisy in their own life to their own life and it's like so I think that's one thing I think another thing is just perlaciness It's hard work You know these little sins these secret sins when they're little It's like little weeds in your garden And you look out at the garden like I do sometimes from from the window and you can't see the little the little weeds You look at it like oh, it's clean And you don't want to go out there, but but what God says you need to go out there and look get down on your knees and look in the dirt And you can see little green leaves Poking up and that's not Flowers that's not vegetables. That's a weed And diligence Goes out there every day and pulls the little weeds and says no not the bad attitude no no no not this and again Don't hear me wrong. I'm not saying you have to spank for every single infraction. That's not what I'm saying Okay, I believe it is a very useful tool very useful tool, but I'm not saying that there's there's lots of room for doovers There's lots of room for you know, hey honey come on show me cheerful And if she can turn it around and right away and say you know and put the smile on Then praise God I find out though the spank usually is the thing that helps turn that around quickly But often that's the key and you think you're being nice is like get the weed out pull the weed Break them out of the prison cell break them out of that slavery you can you can do a jailbreak right now But I think we're lazy I also think we're cowards I think we're afraid Because if you actually Parent like this you're gonna get a bunch of nasty looks From a bunch of people just like Nancy Wilson that's true a bunch of you know, it's like you know when when I remember this like I'm a tell I think I told this story before but I'm I'll I'll I'll make it anonymous just to protect the innocent you know I think I've told I think I've told it with names before but I remember I was young married here in Moscow and and we went to a Friends house who had a little little type that was probably like three or four and And you know well-known family in our community. I think I know this and and and we're sitting at the dinner Finished dinner with them. We don't have kids yet and And then you know the little tight gets down is playing around. He's you know and and Comes through the kitchen and all of a sudden I see the dad get up and say oh excuse me and like I didn't see anything He picks up the sun walks out comes back a minute later and the little tight his wiping his eyes You know and then he walks over and he kicks the vacuum cleaner And then walks out and I'm like yeah, that's funny and and and dad looks at me after he walks out and just says He's been afraid of the vacuum cleaner recently And so I just made it a rule that every time he sees the vacuum cleaner he has to kick it And if he doesn't you get to swap it's a spike. Yeah I mean, I know here we go internet's gonna go berserk again. Let him you know right but like but I But it was like for me like you know how you were with nancy. Yeah, yeah Miss Wilson. I was the same way with that moment like I didn't have kids yet. I was like right Right this down. Oh my goodness like he was training his you know three-year-old son To be courageous to meet with him at the gates with his enemies real And he saw that fear Would dominate his heart. Yes Like that's I mean the Bible commands you and he told him to fight it fear not You know you may not be you must you must be anxious for nothing and again, I go back to the you know the the quotes I'm going to go right. Yeah, you know the question from YouTube this child was not being disobedient She was expressing a completely normal feeling Disappointment No With all due respect That's a sin It's a sin To to have a bad attitude It's a sin he's not not to rejoice always now I'm not saying I'm not saying every parent has to address it exactly the same way But you need to know that is a sin. It is a sin not to rejoice always Paul says it twice. Yep Again, let me say it again because I know a bunch of you weren't paying attention and a bunch of you made a bunch of excuses And said well that he doesn't really mean that and Paul says no again. I say rejoice You have to rejoice always and a bad attitude Sin It's a it's and and I remember that dad and I thought and I thought to myself. This is another level Yep, this is another level come on now He is insisting that his young son is gonna fight fear now Because that little boy is gonna grow up and be a dad and a husband and is gonna stand with the enemy and speak with the enemies in the gate And he said I don't I need a courageous son to stand with me And so we're gonna start learning courage right now right now and that's one of the things that so so far That's one of the things that really stands out in the next doc Okay, the next documentary. I'm just gonna play the trailer. Oh boy here we go Those who fear the mob more than they fear guide will serve the mob So it's July 23rd 2019. I'm working for founders ministry and we released our first trailer for the documentary by Winston in that trailer There's one image that appears for just a bit over us Palates Southern Baptist were already getting played before any of this started for years the denomination I've been keving on social justice issues. They repented multiple times for the sin of slavery by the time the abuse crisis hit The sbc was already trained and primed for manipulation conducting an unlicensed investigation in Tennessee as a class A misdemeanor Can't make this up the biblical standard is clear two or three witnesses He said it was a consensual affair she said it was assault you don't have to prove anyone is guilty of anything You just have to make defending the institution look like defending abuse charges for sexual abuse The result the denomination was 17 million members 47,000 churches the largest conservative Protestant denomination in America gutted from the inside Oh As a person I got to see that With special guest Rod Martin who was on the executive committee and Megan Basham When I tell you this thing is hidden Is hidden oh man it is this might be the longest one we do but it's gonna be worth it every minute This is dropping on to this is dropping on to we from today. Yes, so tell all your friends Schedule a watch party. Yeah, yeah, absolutely this one is it's I was talking to you about this earlier. Yeah Let me say two things first one is if you don't get that fear out of your children's heart now You will be like the man who caved On this doc. Yeah, like the doc talks about that what happened how they got played right because they were afraid And if you don't get that fear out you will lose your conservative denominations Right because of the that kind of fear that it's used to be bold because you didn't require your three-year-old to kick the vacuum cleaner The other thing I want to say is this Evil is arrogant And watching the play that was run on the southern Baptist Convention and then going back and finding all the information It's just everywhere like all the data and information It's not hidden. It's not tucked underneath the rug. So it's just publicly everywhere It's just right out there and they were so arrogant in their movements that in That they never thought they were gonna get caught You ever seen people who are sending and they send after a while that we talk so around that like 93 95 I believe he gets his appointment at the southern Baptist the logical Sim and so but within his lifetime that same play is run on them again And this time they were inemic to be able to fight against it and this tracks the story And but the here's here's one of the things that I've learned pastor Wilson has said this and it's so true You make a fuss at the first crime scene now. I'm gonna add something to what he said if you don't they will When founders dropped the trailer and Rachel den Hollander was presented in the trailer The other side made the fuss and we should have in the moment said Oh, why is yours acting so crazy about this over the target right dead over the target And they made such a fuss to push back enough to not have that be the main theme of the trailer Of the main theme of the film right and it's in I we should have done it And because I look at it now and the fallout because of not dealing with that then we could have saved so much inside of the SBC and the take over the of the den of a conservative denomination had we dealt with that battle there So I'm excited about this. This is is gonna be this is gonna be a doozy. I really is I gotta read these ads or else I'm gonna get fired. 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Maybe you're not part of the SBC, but it can happen it can happen I mean One of the things we're tracing in this doc is something that Gary North actually traces in a book called as it called cross fingers um How and he goes he uses the old the Presbyterian denomination the old I mean America was founded essentially as a as a Presbyterian, you know There's a bunch of Baptist and Methodist, but it was a bunch of Presbyterians leading the way That's why King George called it the Presbyterian revolt. Yeah and And that conservative Presbyterian denomination got captured by the liberals in the early part of the 20th century And Gary North traces that and says this is what they did here are the steps And it's it's like we just took that and we kind of overlaid it on top of the SBC story and we're like oh my goodness Yeah, that was one of the things that I noticed so the SBC has been unique compared to the other denominations because they actually came out of liberalism They they yeah, they turned back the clock right and so you know I think it was called the conservative resurgence was the whole thing Yes, and so but the play got run on them again within the lifetime of almoa. So almoa comes in I believe in like 95 okay, so around that like 93 95 I believe he gets his appointment At the southern Baptist the logical Sim and so but within his lifetime that same play is run on them again And this time they were anemic to be able to fight against it and this tracks the story And but the here's here's one of the things that I've learned pastor Wilson has said this And it's so true You make a fuss at the first crime scene now. I'm gonna add something to what he said if you don't they will Hmm When founders dropped the trailer and Rachel didn't Hollander was presented in the trailer The other side made the fuss and we should have in the moment said oh, why is yours acting so crazy about this Over the target right dead over the target And they made such a fuss to push back enough to not have that be the main theme of the trailer right Of the main theme of the film right and it's in them We should have done it And because I look at it now and the fallout because of not dealing with that then we could have saved so much inside of the SBC and the take over the of the did of a conservative Denomination had we dealt with that battle there. So I'm excited about this. This is is gonna be This is gonna be a doozy really is I gotta read these ads or else I'm gonna get fired. 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