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The Case of the Body in the Trunk: A Husband’s Dark Secret · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Imagine for a second, you were completely asleep.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That deep sleep.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Exactly. It's two in the morning. Yeah. Your house
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  Speaker 1: is pitch black. Your neighborhood is totally silent. And you
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  Speaker 1: were deep in that, you know, that heavy paralyzing middle
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  Speaker 1: of the night kind of rest.
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  Speaker 2: The kind where you don't even know what year it
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  Speaker 2: is when you wake up.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And then suddenly a violent noise jolts you awake.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 1: It is not just like a bump in the night
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  Speaker 1: or a tree branch scraping the siding. It is the
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  Speaker 1: distinct silence. unmistakable, just rhythmic sound of a heavy object
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  Speaker 1: pounding against a door.
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  Speaker 2: That is terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: And before you can even really process that rhythm, it's
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  Speaker 1: followed immediately by the sharp, just terrifying crash of shattering glass. Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 1: And it's close. It is right next door.
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  Speaker 2: Your adrenaline would just spike instantly.
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  Speaker 1: Right. So you stumble out of bed. Your heart is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely hammering against your ribs and you crack open your
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  Speaker 1: back door just to, um, Just to peek outside, trying
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  Speaker 1: to orient yourself to whatever on earth is happening.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a very natural human reaction, just trying to
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  Speaker 2: gather information.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. So you flip on the patio light. And the
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  Speaker 1: moment you do, the illumination catches a man standing on
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  Speaker 1: your neighbor's patio.
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  Speaker 2: Right there in the open.
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  Speaker 1: Right there. You say hello. Your voice is probably shaking
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  Speaker 1: with adrenaline. Yeah. And this man turns to you. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't run.
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  Speaker 2: That's the chilling part.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. He just looks at you and says,
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  Speaker 1: get back in. We have a gun. And then he
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  Speaker 1: jumps off the deck and vanishes into the dark.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it is the ultimate psychological shock to the system.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the human brain is just not designed to
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  Speaker 2: transition instantly from the deep theta waves of sleep into
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  Speaker 2: an active, incredibly dangerous fight or flight scenario without like
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  Speaker 2: any warning or context.
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  Speaker 1: It's pure chaos.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. It induces a state of primal panic.
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  Speaker 1: And that terrifying reality, that instantaneous shift from mundane safety
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  Speaker 1: to lethal danger is Is exactly what happened in the
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  Speaker 1: quiet suburbs of Dayton, Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You, our listener, sent us a really fascinating stack of
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  Speaker 1: source material to look into for this week's Deep Dive.
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  Speaker 2: A really heavy stack of material, I should add.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely. It's anchored by a highly detailed, comprehensive report
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  Speaker 1: from the Law and Crime Network. You wanted us to
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  Speaker 1: help untangle a deeply complex, multi-location, crimes-free that ultimately left
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  Speaker 1: three people dead. Three people? Yeah. A husband, his wife,
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  Speaker 1: and a coworker.
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  Speaker 2: And our mission today with your sources is to, well,
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  Speaker 2: really to bypass the standard true crime narrative. We are
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  Speaker 2: not just going to read you a police blotter.
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  Speaker 1: No, definitely not.
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  Speaker 2: We are going to dissect the absolute anatomy of a murder-suicide.
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  Speaker 2: We really need to explore the forensic psychology of a
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  Speaker 2: perpetrator who commits acts of such extreme violence.
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  Speaker 1: And the tech side, too.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. We're going to dive into the severe, often misunderstood
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  Speaker 2: technological hurdles that law enforcement faces when conducting a modern
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  Speaker 2: digital investigation. And, you know, the incredibly difficult process of
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  Speaker 2: how police actually piece together a massive multi-location puzzle when
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  Speaker 2: the primary suspect is already dead.
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  Speaker 1: Because that changes everything. It does.
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  Speaker 2: We are looking at the how and the why behind
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  Speaker 2: an event that shattered multiple families and an entire community.
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  Speaker 1: OK, let's unpack this, because to truly understand the scale
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  Speaker 1: and the sheer chaos of this tragedy, we have to
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  Speaker 1: start by physically tracing the movements of the suspect.
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  Speaker 2: We had to build a map. Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. We have to begin at the epicenter of the
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  Speaker 1: panic and map the physical footprint before we can even
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  Speaker 1: begin to touch the digital one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So let's go back to that 911 call in Sugar
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  Speaker 1: Creek Township.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: This is just south of the massive Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
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  Speaker 1: It is Saturday, October 25th, right around 2 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: The witching hour, basically.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The setting is a dense condo complex.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Specifically, 1627 Honey Tree Place. This is where the neighbor,
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  Speaker 1: the woman we just put you in the shoes of,
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  Speaker 1: is jolted awake.
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  Speaker 2: When you analyze the audio and the transcripts of that
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  Speaker 2: 911 call from the source material, you are literally hearing
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  Speaker 2: the raw mechanics of human terror.
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  Speaker 1: It's so visceral.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. She tells the dispatcher that she was
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  Speaker 2: woken out of a, quote, dead sleep by this pounding,
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  Speaker 2: this bangy sound as she described it.
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  Speaker 1: Which in Ando Complex is so loud. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Because in a quiet suburban condo complex, acoustic energy travels
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  Speaker 2: so efficiently that The shared walls, the close patios. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the sound is just amplified.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no buffer.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. So she realizes her neighbor's glass door has been shattered.
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  Speaker 2: She turns on her light, peeks out, and sees this
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  Speaker 2: man on the neighbor's deck. She says hello, and his
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  Speaker 2: response is immediate, measured, and just chilling.
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  Speaker 1: Get back in. We have a gun.
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  Speaker 2: Right. No hesitation.
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  Speaker 1: And to me, just putting myself in that neighbor's shoes,
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  Speaker 1: it is the real-world equivalent of a jump scare in
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  Speaker 1: a horror movie. But infinitely worse, because, well, you are
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  Speaker 1: stripped of all narrative context.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have the script. No.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know who this person is. You don't know
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  Speaker 1: who they are looking for. You don't know what they've
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  Speaker 1: already done inside that condo. You only know that there
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  Speaker 1: is an immediate lethal threat staring right at you.
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  Speaker 2: And your only instinct is to hide and call for help.
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  Speaker 1: The tactical response from the 911 dispatcher in that moment
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  Speaker 1: is critical, though.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they handle it perfectly by the book. The dispatcher
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  Speaker 2: repeatedly orders her to stay inside, to lock the doors...
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  Speaker 2: And absolutely not to put herself at risk by going
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  Speaker 2: outside to check on the neighbor. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Because you just don't know what's out there.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Law enforcement refers to this as securing the perimeter
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  Speaker 2: of the witness. Because at that 2 a.m. hour, they
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  Speaker 2: have an active armed threat roaming a highly populated residential zone.
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  Speaker 1: But even in her absolute panic, the neighbor actually manages
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  Speaker 1: to give investigators the first crucial piece of the puzzle.
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  Speaker 2: The camera. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: She checks her ring camera footage, her camera out front.
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  Speaker 1: was triggered by motion when the suspect was fleeing the scene.
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  Speaker 1: The infrared sensors picked him up, and she is able
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  Speaker 1: to give police a partial but vital description.
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  Speaker 2: What did she see?
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  Speaker 1: She sees a white male. He is wearing blue jeans,
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  Speaker 1: white gym shoes, and a black T-shirt or sweatshirt.
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  Speaker 2: That's a lot of detail for 2 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: It's huge. Yeah. And she tracks his movement on the camera.
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  Speaker 1: He jumps off the deck, runs across the yard, heads
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  Speaker 1: to the back, And goes on foot toward a street
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  Speaker 1: called Apple Branch Drive.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, on foot?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't jump into a getaway car parked idling
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  Speaker 1: on the street. He is fleeing on foot. And police
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  Speaker 1: later identify this man as 34-year-old Jacob Pritchard.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the sheer brazenness of his actions
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  Speaker 2: in that moment, which immediately tells forensic psychologists a lot
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  Speaker 2: about his cognitive state.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because he's not hiding.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. Jacob Pritchard is making absolutely no effort
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  Speaker 2: to conceal his identity or his crimes. I mean, he
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  Speaker 2: is making a tremendous amount of noise at 2 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: in a dense condo complex where discovery is almost guaranteed.
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  Speaker 1: He's literally smashing glass. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And when he is directly confronted by a witness who
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  Speaker 2: turns on a floodlight, he doesn't flinch. He doesn't try
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  Speaker 2: to hide his face. He doesn't run away in a
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  Speaker 2: panic or, like, offer a weak excuse.
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  Speaker 1: He openly, calmly threatens her with a firearm.
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  Speaker 2: And he triggers a commercial home security camera in the process.
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  Speaker 1: So he is leaving a massive physical, auditory, and digital
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  Speaker 1: footprint right from the very first second.
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  Speaker 2: He is. And what this lack of concealment suggests to
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement is a suspect who is operating on pure,
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  Speaker 2: raw adrenaline, deeply and obsessively locked into a violent mission.
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  Speaker 1: Because normally you'd want to be sneaky, right? Right.
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  Speaker 2: In many premeditated crimes, you see elements of operational security or,
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  Speaker 2: you know, stealth, trying to avoid cameras, using suppressors, wearing masks,
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  Speaker 2: parking a vehicle a mile away.
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  Speaker 1: Trying to manipulate the scene to avoid detection.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. But here, there is a total absence of that.
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  Speaker 2: It is explosive, it is overt, and it is incredibly volatile.
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  Speaker 2: He doesn't care who sees him because in his psychological
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  Speaker 2: state at that moment, the concept of future consequences has
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  Speaker 2: completely evaporated.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: The only thing that exists in his universe is the
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  Speaker 2: execution of whatever objective he has set for himself.
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  Speaker 1: That terrifying, hyper-focused state at the condo complex in Sugar
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  Speaker 1: Creek Township That's only the beginning of the timeline.
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  Speaker 2: Which is the craziest part.
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  Speaker 1: I know. That was around 2 a.m. on Saturday. But
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  Speaker 1: the friction of this investigation comes from the fact that
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  Speaker 1: the physical evidence doesn't stop at the shattered glass of
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  Speaker 1: that condo.
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  Speaker 2: No, it spreads out.
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  Speaker 1: It geographically expands, forcing police to connect two distinct, horrific
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  Speaker 1: scenes separated by a massive amount of space and time.
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  Speaker 1: So we jump to roughly 5 p.m. on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: That's over a day later.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Over a day later. And we are no longer
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  Speaker 1: in Sugar Creek Township. Oh. We are 30 miles away
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  Speaker 1: on the complete opposite side of the Dayton metropolitan area
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  Speaker 1: in a place called West Milton, Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: You really have to consider the logistics of that geographical shift.
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  Speaker 2: 30 miles in suburban and semi-rural Ohio is a significant distance.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just a quick hop.
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  Speaker 2: No, it requires a deliberate journey navigating through multiple jurisdictions, highways,
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  Speaker 2: and local roads.
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  Speaker 1: And what police find at the end of that 30-mile
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  Speaker 1: journey is a gruesome discovery. There is a suspicious car
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  Speaker 1: parked in the lot of the municipal building in West Milton.
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  Speaker 1: It's just sitting there. Right. When a local officer approaches
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  Speaker 1: to investigate, they find Jacob Pritchard dead on the ground
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  Speaker 1: next to the car. Police quickly determine it is a
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  Speaker 1: self-inflicted gunshot wound.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not all they find.
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  Speaker 1: No. The detail that makes your blood run cold, the
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  Speaker 1: detail that instantly escalates this from a suicide to a
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  Speaker 1: complex multi-victim homicide investigation, is that the trunk of this
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  Speaker 1: car has been left wide open.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my.
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  Speaker 1: And inside that open trunk... is his 33-year-old wife, Jamie Bridgert.
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  Speaker 2: The psychology behind that specific scene is devastating, but it
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  Speaker 2: reveals a tremendous amount about the final moments of the
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  Speaker 2: suspect's thought process.
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  Speaker 1: How so?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we have excellent insights on this from Police Sergeant
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Schoberg, who was interviewed extensively in the law and
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  Speaker 2: crime report you provided. The investigative question you have to
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  Speaker 2: ask yourself is, why drive 30 miles across the Dayton
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  Speaker 2: area to park specifically at a municipal building?
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  Speaker 1: Right, because those buildings almost always house the local police department,
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  Speaker 1: city offices, first responders.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I think the average person assumes that if you commit
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  Speaker 1: a horrific crime and have a body in your car,
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  Speaker 1: your instinct is concealment. Like, why not drive to the
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  Speaker 1: secluded woods?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Why not an abandoned industrial parking lot Or just, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, pull off into a ditch on the side
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  Speaker 1: of a rural highway.
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  Speaker 2: Well, what Sergeant Schoberg points out, based on his extensive
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  Speaker 2: experience with similar tragic events, is that leaving the trunk
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  Speaker 2: open at a municipal building or a police station in
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  Speaker 2: a murder-suicide scenario is almost always a highly intentional, meticulously
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  Speaker 2: calculated act.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, really? It's on purpose?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. The perpetrator knows exactly what they have done, and
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  Speaker 2: they know exactly what they are about to do to themselves.
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  Speaker 2: By choosing that specific location... parking in that specific lot
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  Speaker 2: and actively pulling the latch to leave the trunk open
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  Speaker 2: they are ensuring that trained professionals.
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  Speaker 1: Like police officers or paramedics.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly they are ensuring that professionals are the ones who
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  Speaker 2: find the bodies they are intentionally trying to prevent an
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  Speaker 2: innocent civilian a random passerby walking their dog or god
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  Speaker 2: forbid a family member from making that horrific traumatizing discovery.
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  Speaker 1: Wow i never thought of it that way but um
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  Speaker 1: I want to push back on something here because that
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  Speaker 1: level of calculation, you know, managing the logistics of the aftermath,
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  Speaker 1: it completely contradicts a phrase we hear all the time
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  Speaker 1: in true crime media or on the evening news.
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  Speaker 2: Which one?
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  Speaker 1: People always say, oh, he just snapped. It was a
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  Speaker 1: crime of passion. He snapped in a blind rage. Right.
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  Speaker 2: You hear that constantly.
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  Speaker 1: But if you look at this timeline and this geography,
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  Speaker 1: that phrase feels completely inadequate. I mean, you have an
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  Speaker 1: incident at 2 a.m. where you shatter a door and
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  Speaker 1: kill a co-worker. Then you have a massive timeline gap.
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  Speaker 1: You have a body in a trunk. You drive 30
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  Speaker 1: miles across the entire Dayton suburban sprawl. Yeah. You navigate
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  Speaker 1: to a specifically chosen municipal parking lot. You park the car,
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  Speaker 1: you get out, you open the trunk, and then you
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  Speaker 1: take your own life. If a crime spans multiple locations,
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  Speaker 1: involves a 30-mile drive requiring you to stop at red lights,
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  Speaker 1: use turn signals, navigate traffic.
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  Speaker 2: Does the concept of snapping still actually apply?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Or are we looking at some terrifying hybrid of Impulsive
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  Speaker 1: rage and cold mechanical premeditation.
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  Speaker 2: You are hitting on the exact paradox that forensic psychologists
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  Speaker 2: study in these cases. The colloquial idea of just snapping
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  Speaker 2: is largely a myth.
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  Speaker 1: It is. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: When we hear snapped, we envision an instant, a single
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  Speaker 2: momentary loss of control, a neurological short circuit that is
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  Speaker 2: over in like five seconds, after which the person wakes
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  Speaker 2: up and realizes what they've done.
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  Speaker 1: Right, like waking from a blackout.
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  Speaker 2: But as Sergeant Schoberg validates in the source material, domestic
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  Speaker 2: violence incidents of this magnitude are incredibly volatile, precisely because
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  Speaker 2: the perpetrator is acting on intense, sustained emotion.
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  Speaker 1: Sustained, not just a flash.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Neurologically, the amygdala, which is the fear and anger
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  Speaker 2: center of the brain, essentially hijacks the prefrontal cortex, which
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  Speaker 2: is responsible for logic and future planning. But this hijack
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  Speaker 2: isn't a five-second event.
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  Speaker 1: How long can it last?
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  Speaker 2: It is an emotional state that temporarily overrides all logical consequence,
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  Speaker 2: and it can be sustained over a surprisingly long period,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes days.
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  Speaker 1: So the rage doesn't just dissipate after the first act
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  Speaker 1: of violence. It mutates.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. When someone has made the catastrophic decision to cross
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  Speaker 2: that ultimate line, when they have committed that first homicide,
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  Speaker 2: their psychological state enters a completely different realm.
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  Speaker 1: Because the threshold has been breached.
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  Speaker 2: Right. They know there is no going back. They know
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  Speaker 2: they are caught, especially in this case where Jacob knew
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  Speaker 2: he was seen by the neighbor and likely knew he
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  Speaker 2: was recorded on a camera.
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  Speaker 1: So what do they have to lose at that point?
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  Speaker 2: Nothing. The initial catalyst might be a sudden explosion of rage,
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  Speaker 2: but that rage morphs into a grim, fatalistic mission. Driving
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  Speaker 2: 30 miles takes cognitive time. It takes physical coordination.
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  Speaker 1: You have to know how to drive a car.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But the cognitive dissonance is so profound... And the
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  Speaker 2: emotional override is so absolute that they can carry out
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  Speaker 2: those mechanical tasks of driving while still completely insulated from
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  Speaker 2: any moral or logical reasoning. They are locked into the
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  Speaker 2: momentum of the violence.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. It is not a blackout. It is a terrifyingly
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  Speaker 1: hyper-focused state of destruction. They are awake. They are making decisions.
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  Speaker 1: But the moral compass has been entirely deleted from the equation.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. They are entirely aware of the mechanics of what
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  Speaker 2: they're doing, you know, stepping on the gas pedal, turning
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  Speaker 2: the steering wheel, but completely detached from the reality of
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  Speaker 2: the consequences.
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  Speaker 1: Which is terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: And that is what makes these situations so incredibly dangerous
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  Speaker 2: for anyone who crosses their path during that extended window.
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  Speaker 2: They are functioning, but they are functioning within a reality
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  Speaker 2: where human life no longer holds value.
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  Speaker 1: So the 30-mile gap in the open trunk tells us
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  Speaker 1: this was calculated, but it doesn't really give us a motive.
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: When the physical evidence runs dry and the suspect is dead,
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  Speaker 1: investigators are forced to look at the only common denominator left,
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  Speaker 1: which is the social geography. And that forces us to
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  Speaker 1: look closely at who these three people were and how
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  Speaker 1: their lives intersected.
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  Speaker 2: Because the physical geography of the crime gives you the
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  Speaker 2: where and the when. But the social geography, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the network of relationships, the hierarchies, the daily interactions... That
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  Speaker 2: is where the actual investigation has to focus to find
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  Speaker 2: the why.
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  Speaker 1: And that leads us to the shared thread among all
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  Speaker 1: three individuals, what we can call the Wright-Patterson nexus. Wright-Patterson
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  Speaker 1: Air Force Base is a massive military installation near Dayton.
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  Speaker 1: For those who aren't familiar, it isn't just a runway
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  Speaker 1: with some barracks. It is essentially a city within a
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  Speaker 1: city employing tens of thousands of military and civilian personnel.
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  Speaker 2: It's huge.
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: It's one of the largest, most complex organizational structures in
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: the region. And it turns out All three of the
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: individuals involved in this tragedy worked within that massive ecosystem.
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: This specific organizational breakdown is vital here because in massive bureaucracies,
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: proximity is everything.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: So let's lay out that proximity. Jacob Pritchard, the 34-year-old suspect,
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: was a civilian employee working at the Air Force Research Laboratory. Okay.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: His wife, 33-year-old Kemi Pritchard, also a civilian employee, worked
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: as a finance specialist at the Air Force Life Cycle
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: Management Center. Got it. And the 25-year-old co-worker who was
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: killed in her condo at 2 a.m., First Lieutenant Jamie Gastidis,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: she worked for the 711th Human Performance Wing. And critically,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: that specific wing is a subdivision of the exact same
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Air Force research lab where Jacob Pritchard worked. Ah, okay.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: So immediately, investigators have established the physical and professional proximity.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Jacob and the lieutenant shared a broader departmental umbrella. They
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: operated in the same professional universe.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: But before we get into the mechanics of how police
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: investigate a highly classified or insular military workspace, we have
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: to pause and remember the human element here.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: We absolutely do.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: Because beyond the clinical facts of a police report, beyond
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: the organizational charts and the timelines, real vibrant lives were extinguished.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: If you are listening to this and you read the
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: obituaries from the long crime report, it just breaks your
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: heart to see the sheer magnitude of what was lost.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: It is absolutely essential to ground any forensic analysis in
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: the reality of the victims. Otherwise, it just becomes a
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: cold academic exercise.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about Jamie Pritchard, the wife found in the trunk.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: She was only 33 years old.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Too young.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: She was a devoted mother to three young children. She
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: came from a massive, deeply connected family. She was one
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: of seven siblings. Yeah, she had six brothers or sisters,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: along with countless nieces and nephews. Her obituary painted a
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: picture of a woman with an infectious smile and an overwhelming,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: joyful laugh. It highlighted her deep-rooted faith and an unwavering
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: commitment to spreading love to everyone around her.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: That's beautiful.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: They said she had this rare, innate gift where she
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: could make others smile and laugh while leaving a lasting,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: positive impact on everyone she met.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: You think about those three kids growing up without their
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: mother and that massive extended family trying to process this
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: at Thanksgiving, and the hole that is left behind is just... unfathomable.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: The collateral damage in domestic violence cases is always exponential.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: It is never contained to the crime scene. It radiates
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: out to the children who have lost both parents simultaneously
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: in the most traumatic way possible, to the siblings, the parents,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: the co-workers, the entire community.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: And then you look at First Lieutenant Jamie Gustitis, the co-worker.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: She was only 25 years old.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Which is just heartbreaking. Her obituary stated she was viciously
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: taken at the dawn of her amazing life. And when
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: you look at her resume, amazing almost feels like an understatement.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: She was a graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: which is incredibly difficult to get into and survive.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: It's elite.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: She had her own private pilot's license. She attended Air
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Force pilot training. She had already completed a Master of
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Science in Operations Analysis from the Air Force Institute of
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Technology right there at Wright-Patterson.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: We should clarify what operations analysis actually entails in that context.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: What does she actually do?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: It is highly advanced mathematical and quantitative modeling. She was
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: using complex math, statistics, and algorithms to solve massive logistical
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and operational problems for the military. She was quite literally
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: a brilliant, cutting-edge mind serving her country in a highly
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: technical capacity.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: And her family remembered her not just for her brilliance,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: but for her character. They remembered her as embodying acceptance, gentleness, purity,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and a naive loyalty. They called her an untroubled spirit
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: who caused no harm.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture of the investigation,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you have to realize the immense crushing pressure on local
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: law enforcement. When you have victims with such deep, expansive
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: ties to the community, with young children left behind, and
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: a military officer with such a prominent... elite career cut
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: short the demand for answers from the public and the
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: military is monumental everyone wants to know why but the
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: police are presented with what is essentially a closed loop
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: the suspect is dead the victims are dead there is
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: no one left to interrogate in an interview room I
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: think most of.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Us assume investigations rely on interrogations and confessions. So how
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: do they even begin to piece together a motive when
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: everyone involved is gone?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: They have to reverse engineer the interpersonal dynamics within that
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: specific Air Force base environment. Workplaces, especially large insular ones
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: like a military research laboratory, they create their own unique
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: social ecosystems.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It's like its own little world. Yeah.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: People spend more waking hours with their coworkers than they
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: do with their own spouses. These ecosystems have their own pressures,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: their own gossip networks, their own secrets, and sometimes they
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: hide fatal fractures.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: So the police have to dig into all that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: The investigators have to figure out the exact capacity of
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: the relationship between Jacob Pritchard and Lieutenant Gustitis. They worked
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: under the same lab umbrella. But what did that mean
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: in practice?
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Right. Did they sit next to each other?
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Did they interact daily? Was there a supervisory dynamic
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: where one had power over the other? Was it purely
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: professional or did it cross into something personal? Was there
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: an affair?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Or like a professional dispute?
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Was there some sort of perceived professional slight or rejection?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Was there immense financial stress at home that somehow spilled
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: over into the workplace? The investigators have to build a
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: psychological and social profile of three people entirely from scratch.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: relying solely on the echoes they left behind in their
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: workplace and among their friends.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: And that leads to the most complex, frustrating part of
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: this entire case. Because as you said, the physical evidence
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: largely stops with the deaths. There is no murder weapon
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: to trace back to a shady dealer to find a motive.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: He clearly already owned the gun.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: There are no accomplices to flip for a plea deal.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: So the investigation has to undergo a massive transition. That's
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the move from the physical world, you know, the blood,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the broken glass, the tire tracks, into the digital world.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: The digital footprint.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Yes. They have to dive into the digital footprint to
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: find the motive and, crucially, to find the missing pieces
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of the timeline.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: And the timeline gap in this case is the most
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: glaring investigative hole.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: It is a massive lingering question that stands out immediately
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: when you read through your source material. Police know roughly
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: when Lieutenant Castitas was killed. They have the terrified neighbor's
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: 911 call, time stamped, Right around 2 a.m. on Saturday.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Very specific data point.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: They have the ring camera footage tracking Jacob Pritchard's flight
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: from her patio. But it is currently entirely unclear when
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and where Jacob killed his wife, Jamie.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: That is the gaping hole in the narrative that changes
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: the entire psychological profile.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Of the crime. Was she already dead and in the
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: trunk of that car when he was banging on the
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: condo door in Sugar Creek Township? Did he kill her
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: earlier at their home, put her in the car, drive
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: to the condo, commit the second murder? and then drive
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: 30 miles to West Milton? Or did he commit the
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: murder at the condo, flee on foot as the neighbor saw,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: somehow get back to his own house, kill his wife,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and then drive?
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: The sequence of events dictates whether this was a domestic
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: dispute that spiraled outward or a workplace grievance that spiraled homeward.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, though. How do police
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: actually answer that when no one is alive to tell
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: them the timeline?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: This is where forensic pathology and digital forensics have to
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: work in absolute tandem. Let's start with the physical science pathology.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: When a body is discovered, a medical examiner's first job
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: is to determine an approximate time of death.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Right, like you see on TV.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: People hear terms like rigor mortis, which is the stiffening
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: of the muscles, and liver mortis, the pooling of the blood.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: But the most critical metric for timeline establishment is algor mortis,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: the core body temperature decay.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: How does it actually work in a scenario like this?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Generally, a human body cools at a rate of roughly 1.5
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: degrees Fahrenheit per hour until it reaches ambient room temperature.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: This is based on Newton's law of cooling.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, simple enough.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: But it is incredibly complex because it is heavily dependent
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: on environmental variables. James' body wasn't found in a temperature-controlled
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: living room. She was found in the trunk of a
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: car in October in Ohio.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. So the weather plays a huge part. Huge.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Huge. The pathologist has to calculate the microclimate of that trunk.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Did the sun hit the metal car and create an
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: oven effect during the day on Sunday? How cold did
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: it get on Saturday night? By taking the core temperature
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: and factoring in the local meteorological data for those 40 hours,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: the pathologist can establish a decent window of death.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: But a decent window in pathology isn't a precise timestamp, right?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: It might mean a window of four to six hours.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Pathology gives you a bracket. To narrow it down
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: to the minute, to definitively prove the sequence of events
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: and order the murders, they need the digital footprint. They
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: need the data.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Sergeant Schoberg talked a lot about this in the law
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and crime interview. He explained that establishing the last active
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: moment on Jamie's cell phone is going to be the
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: master key to this entire timeline.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Cell phones are constantly pinging cell towers, constantly recording
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: background data. If investigators can pinpoint the exact moment Jamie
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: stopped interacting with her phone... you know, the last app opened,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: the very last time the screen was unlocked by her
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: face or passcode.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: And combine that with the pathology bracket. Yes.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Combine that highly specific digital timestamp with the pathologist's broader
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: physical window. They can create a nearly flawless approximation of
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: her time of death. They can compare that precise digital
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: timestamp to the 2 a.m. timestamp of the 911 call
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: at the condo and finally order the sequence of the murders.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I think most of us assume the police just plugged
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: the victim's iPhone into a laptop, little progress bar fills
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: up on the screen, and they have all the text messages,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: deleted photos, and GPS pings in five minutes.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: That's what we see on every procedural cop show.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. But you're telling me they're actually losing a
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: technological arms race with companies like Apple and Google.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: The reality of digital forensics is a grueling, highly bureaucratic,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: and technologically fraught process. It is the exact opposite of
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: what you see on television. The software and hardware that
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: law enforcement uses to crack into devices, forensic extraction tools
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: made by companies like Celebrate or Grayshift, they are constantly,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: perpetually lagging behind the consumer tech industry.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Walk us through the actual mechanics of that friction. Why
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: is it so hard if the police literally have physical
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: possession of the phone?
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: First, you have the legal hurdles. Even with a deceased
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: suspect and deceased victims, you cannot just break into their
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: personal devices. The Fourth Amendment still applies.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: So they still need a warrant.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Investigators must draft comprehensive, highly specific search warrants, establishing probable
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: cause for what they expect to find, and have them
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: signed by a judge. Then they have to serve those
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: warrants to the cell phone carriers, like Verizon or AT
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: & T.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: And that just gives you the metadata, right? Like a
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: phone bill. Who called who, how long the call lasted,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: and what cell tower it bounced off of. It doesn't
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: give you the content.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Correct. The carrier data gives you a map. but not
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the conversation. To get the actual content, the text messages,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the social media DMs, the photos, the search history, you
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: need to get into the physical memory of the device itself.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: And this is where the arms race truly begins.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Because of the encryption.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Every time Apple or Google releases a new iOS or
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Android update, every time they patch a security vulnerability, they
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: make the phones exponentially harder to crack. Modern smartphones utilize
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: something called a secure enclave, a dedicated subsystem that handles
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: encryption keys. If the suspect or the victims had the
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: newest phones fully updated with complex multi-digit alphanumeric passcodes, breaking
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: in is a nightmare.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: But can't the police computers just guess the password a
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: million times a second, like a brute force attack?
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: They try. But modern phones have built-in fail-safes designed to
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: stop exactly that. If you enter the wrong passcode too
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: many times, the phone will implement rate limiting, forcing you
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: to wait longer and longer between guesses.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Or worse. Or worse.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: It will trigger a self-wipe protocol that permanently deletes the
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: encryption keys, rendering all the data on the phone permanently inaccessible.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: It turns the phone into a brick.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: So how do they bypass it? How do they get
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: the data without triggering the self-distract?
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: It requires incredibly sophisticated, often classified techniques. One method involves
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: essentially cloning the NAND flash memory of the phone.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Like making a copy of the hard drive?
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Basically. The forensic technicians physically remove or interface with the
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: memory chip, make a digital copy of the encrypted data,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: and then run their brute force password guesses against the copy,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: not the physical phone.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's smart.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: If the copy triggers a self-wipe, it doesn't matter. They
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: just make another copy and keep guessing. But phone manufacturers
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: are constantly changing hardware architecture to prevent this memory cloning.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: It is a constant game of cat and mouse.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: If you're listening to this and looking at your own
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: smartphone right now, Think about how many layers of security
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: you have set up. Face ID, a six-digit alphanumeric code,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: maybe two-factor authentication.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: It's a fortress.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: When you sent us this source material, one thing that
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: stood out was how those exact features designed to protect
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: us from hackers or thieves become a literal brick wall
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: for homicide detectives trying to solve a triple murder. It
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: is like trying to pick a safe where the internal
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: lock changes its own shape Every time you guess a
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: number wrong. Exactly. Sergeant Schoberg said something that really struck me.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: He said that getting into these phones could take a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: day or it could take up to a year. A
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: year just to read the text messages to find out
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: why a man killed his wife and a co-worker.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And they aren't just looking for a written confession in
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the Notes app. They are looking for the context. They
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: are looking for the subtle shifts in language and text
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: messages over the preceding weeks.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: The digital footprint of their emotions.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: They are looking for deleted emails, unusual financial transactions, or
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: sudden inexplicable changes in routine tracked by GPS. They have
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: to reconstruct the emotional reality of these three people through
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: their raw data.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the final stages of a case
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: like this. The protocol of the bitter end. And this
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: is something that I think a lot of people struggle
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to understand.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: And it's counterintuitive.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I'll admit, when you first look at a case where
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: the killer is dead at the scene with the weapon,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: there is a natural question. Why go to all this effort?
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Why do police departments expend so many resources?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of money and time.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: You have forensic pathologists working on three bodies. You have
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: digital forensics units spending potentially months cloning memory chips and
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: trying to crack encryptions. You have detectives drafting dozens of
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: search warrants. Why do all of this if they already
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: know Jacob Pritchard did it and he is dead?
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Because there's no trial. Right.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: There's never going to be a trial. There is no
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: jury to convince. No prosecutor is taking this to court.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: No one is going to prison.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: It is a completely valid question. And it speaks to
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: the core philosophy and the heavy burden of law enforcement investigations.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: As Sergeant Schoberg explicitly noted in the report, law enforcement
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: must treat a murder suicide exactly like any other active
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: unsolved homicide until they reach what he called the bitter end.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: They don't just pack up and go home.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: They do not cut corners just because the suspect is deceased.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: But what is the tangible benefit if the bad guy
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: is dead? Isn't the case closed?
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: There are two main reasons. Investigative integrity and absolute closure. First,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: regarding investigative integrity, you cannot operate on assumptions even when
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: the visual scene looks incredibly obvious.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: What if they're wrong? Exactly.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: What if the digital data reveals that someone else was involved?
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: What if Jacob didn't act alone? What if he was coerced?
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Or what if the sequence of events points to a
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: completely different primary aggressor before the final suicide?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I guess you can never be 100% sure until you look.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: It is highly unlikely, but in the eyes of the law,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: You have to definitively, scientifically prove the sequence of events
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: to legally rule out any other possibilities or accomplices. You
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: have to close every single door, lock it, and throw
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: away the key.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So you can't just look at the open trunk in
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: the municipal lot and say, well, he put her there,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: case closed. You have to prove exactly how she got
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: in the trunk, when she got in the trunk, and
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that no one else helped him lift her.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And the second reason, which is arguably more important
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: in a societal and psychological sense, is closure for the
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: surviving families.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Because they're left behind in the wreckage.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: When a family loses a brilliant daughter, a sister, or
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: a mother in such a horrific, inexplicable manner, they are
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: going to have questions that will haunt them for the
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: rest of their lives. Did she suffer? Did she know
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: it was coming? Why did this happen?
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: If the police just shrug and say the case is closed... Right.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: If they just glance at the scene, shrug, and say, well,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: the guy is dead, case closed, they are abandoning those
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: families in a state of eternal ambiguity. By conducting a
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: full exhaustive investigation, they can eventually sit down with the
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: families and provide absolute undeniable facts.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Which leads to what have to be the most grueling,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: unimaginable part of a detective's job. Because to get to
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: those facts, to reconstruct that social and digital ecosystem we
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: talked about, The investigators have to conduct interviews.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: The worst part of the job.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: They have to sit down with these grieving families. Families
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: who have just lost a 25-year-old lieutenant with a boundless
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: future or a beloved mother of three. The shock hasn't
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: even begun to wear off. The adrenaline is still in
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: their systems. And the detectives have to sit in their
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: living rooms and ask incredibly probing, deeply uncomfortable questions.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: It requires a delicate, almost impossible balance of extreme empathy
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: and objective clinical investigation.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Right, because they can't just offer condolences and leave. They
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: have to ask a grieving parent, did you know if
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: your daughter was having an affair with a married co-worker?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Which is brutal.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: They have to ask a grieving sibling, was there hidden
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: financial ruin in the marriage? Did Jacob have a history
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: of hidden rage or controlling behavior? They have to pry
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: into the darkest, most private corners of these victims' lives.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: while the family is in the absolute peak of their trauma.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: And this is why, as the sergeant pointed out, law
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: enforcement frequently utilizes chaplains or specialized victim advocates during these
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: specific moments. The psychological toll on the family is immense.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: They need a buffer.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: The detectives need the answers to solve the why to
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: complete that digital and social puzzle, but they are also
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: acutely aware that their questions are inflicting secondary trauma. The
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: presence of a chaplain provides a crucial buffer. It offers
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: the family immediate emotional and spiritual triage while the investigators
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: gently but necessarily push for the facts.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: It's not just a science experiment.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: It is a stark reminder that the investigation of a
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: crime is never a sterile, purely scientific endeavor. It is deeply,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: painfully human from the first 911 call to the final interview.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? When we pull all
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: of these complex threads together, what are we left with?
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: A lot of broken pieces.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: We have explored the tragic intersection of three lives. all
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: tied to the vast, complex ecosystem of a military base.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: We've traced an hour of inexplicable, chaotic violence that shattered
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: a quiet condo complex, and we mapped how that violence
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: spanned across 30 miles of Dayton suburbs, ending in a
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: chillingly calculated final act at a municipal building. We've unpacked
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the meticulous, high-tech, and often frustratingly slow forensic work required,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: from core body temperatures to memory chip cloning, To answer
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: the lingering questions when the only person who truly knows
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: what happened has taken his own life.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: The bitter end protocol.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And we've looked at the solemn, grueling duty of investigators
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: to pursue the truth to the bitter end, no matter
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: how uncomfortable, to provide undeniable closure to families who have
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: had their worlds completely destroyed.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: It is a heavy, multifaceted reality. We are looking at
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the absolute mechanics of tragedy and how society attempts to
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: make sense of the senseless.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: It is heavy. And for you, our listener, we know
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: this is a deeply sobering topic. Mm-hmm. But exploring these
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: realities using the sources you provided is crucial.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: It's important to shine a light on it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: It's important to understand the complexities of domestic violence, the
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: silent burdens and hidden fractures that people can carry just
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: beneath the surface, even in seemingly normal, highly professional environments.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: It reminds us of the fragility of safety and the
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: vital importance of the intricate, tireless systems designed to find
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the truth when the absolute worst happens.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I want to leave you with a final thought that
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: we haven't explicitly touched on, but that really echoes throughout
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: this entire case.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Think about the stark, chilling contrast inherent in this story.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: On one side, you have the environment where these three
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: individuals spend their days. The Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, specifically
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: the Air Force Research Laboratory, and the Operations Analysis Units.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Very clinical.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Right. This is a world defined by cutting-edge science, highly
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: logical systems, strict protocols, and complex mathematical modeling. It is
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: an environment entirely dedicated to reason, order, and control.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: It's the pinnacle of logic.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And yet, this world was violently intersected by the exact opposite.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: The deeply primal, wholly illogical, and utterly destructive human emotion
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: of domestic rage. That rage consumed them all, overriding every
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: logical failsafe.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: It is a sobering reminder that no amount of advanced education,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: elite military training, or daily immersion in the highest levels
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: of scientific logic can entirely insulate us from the darkest,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: most unpredictable, and most volatile aspects of human nature.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: We think we have built a world of perfect order,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: but then at 2 a.m. in the dead of sleep,
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the glass shatters.