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The Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Win True insurance True, I'm a checkup with there is.
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  Speaker 2: A Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Adam Todd Brown joining me his co host this week,
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  Speaker 2: Connor mcspadden is in the cut. How's it going, man?
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  Speaker 3: It's going better now man, now that we're talking about
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  Speaker 3: g m o C. Gay Men of Color Now I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 3: We're talking to General Motors Overseas Corporation.
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  Speaker 2: Also joining us. Sam Sweets is here. How's it going? Sam?
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  Speaker 4: Him? It's going. God.
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  Speaker 2: We are, as Connor said, talking about GMOC, but that
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  Speaker 2: means the Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center.
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  Speaker 3: And if you think that sounds depressing and bum tacular, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Really it really is.
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  Speaker 3: This ain't one of them Conspiracy the shows where Elvis
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  Speaker 3: is alive at the end.
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  Speaker 4: But if you put this on Guantana Meta under it,
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  Speaker 4: you know it'll give it a little buzz.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that gives it a little haunting, bittersweet aspect.
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  Speaker 2: I like, yeah, I should just play that underneath this
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  Speaker 2: podcast the whole time, right, Yeah, I need someone like
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  Speaker 2: wailing on an upright bass while I talk. That's what
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  Speaker 2: I really need. Like that Mitch Hedberg album you have
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  Speaker 2: you have.
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  Speaker 3: The look of an upright bass player.
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  Speaker 2: See, I don't want to. I don't want to drive
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  Speaker 2: the car though, I want to be in the plushback seat.
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  Speaker 2: I want someone else playing that thing.
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  Speaker 4: I own an upright bas but I can't play it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you want to use it, Well, we're halfway there,
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  Speaker 2: if you could just learn to play it.
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  Speaker 3: Adam looks like the only human they would allow in
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  Speaker 3: the country bear jamboree.
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  Speaker 2: Goddamn right they would because I'm fucking cool.
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  Speaker 3: And you could rip it up on this day.
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  Speaker 2: That'p washed up base, damn right, and I look great
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  Speaker 2: in a pair of fucking overalls.
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  Speaker 3: I've always said that about you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, Guantanamo, the crown jewel of America's torture apparatus,
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  Speaker 2: has been back in the news of late on account
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  Speaker 2: of how Trump and only Trump wants to send deporties
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  Speaker 2: there to die in the sun. I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: many people were aware. I kind of was not that
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  Speaker 2: there are actually two Guantanamo's. There's the Guantanamo Bay detention camp,
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  Speaker 2: which is the one we all know and Connor loves.
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  Speaker 2: We call it Getmo sometimes. That's where we tortured terrorists.
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  Speaker 4: That just reminds me of the nineties. Like we say Lollapalooza,
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  Speaker 4: you say Gimo. I'm getting the same era up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Gitmo and g Mock. It's like Romulus and Remus,
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  Speaker 3: but for torturing people.
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  Speaker 2: And we have a bonus episode coming up this week
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  Speaker 2: that's about regular ass Guantanamo, where again this is an
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  Speaker 2: audio medium, so people didn't see me throw up air
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  Speaker 2: quotes around the word terrorists. But most of the people
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  Speaker 2: who are sent to Guantanamo were eventually released without charges.
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  Speaker 3: So there's that.
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  Speaker 2: But GMOC, the Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center, completely different thing.
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  Speaker 2: And when Trump issued that executive order saying he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to expand Guantanamo so it could house tens of thousands
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  Speaker 2: of deportees, he was referring to that other Guantanamo. It
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  Speaker 2: has a whole sordid history of its own that dates
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  Speaker 2: back decades prior to the shit we pulled at GETM.
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  Speaker 2: So we're talking about that shit today.
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  Speaker 4: And if you google the other Guantanamo, there's also a
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  Speaker 4: BBC little documentary that'll just tell you about the great
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  Speaker 4: styles of dance that they invented there, Like at the
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  Speaker 4: detention camp. No, they were saying like, Guantanamo is just
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  Speaker 4: not the prison you've heard about. There's a lovely culture.
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  Speaker 4: And then they sent a white British lady to talk
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  Speaker 4: to Cubans and learn to dance.
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  Speaker 3: This will very Daily Show two thousand and five. Like
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  Speaker 3: you said, talking about Gitmo again, it does feel like
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  Speaker 3: and jets are you gonna be? My girl is at
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  Speaker 3: the top of the charge. Here we are beautiful, sunny Gitmo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Guantanamo. That thing about there being a whole culture
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  Speaker 2: and people there, let me tell you those people do
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  Speaker 2: not want the Guantanamo Naval Base to be there. What people?
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  Speaker 2: I know, it's crazy, so many jobs. Yeah, and it's
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  Speaker 2: such a shining star on the coastline, I'm sure. But
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  Speaker 2: ever since the Cuban Revolution, the people of Cuba have
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  Speaker 2: been like, you're gonna leave, right, You're gonna get rid
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  Speaker 2: of that naval base and leave. And we sure are not.
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  Speaker 2: We definitely are not. We signed a treaty that allows
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  Speaker 2: us to keep it there.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what I say to people of going Tanamo. I
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  Speaker 3: grew up in a prison town, Chino, California. Prison towns
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  Speaker 3: are nice. They keep them nice. Okay, So maybe just
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  Speaker 3: maybe instead of trying to reject this new aspect of
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  Speaker 3: your community. Maybe try to live with it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe try to sell the prisoners some kind of colorful juice.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's an idea, how about that they got
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  Speaker 3: a McDonald's. Now they have a McDonald's. Well, then I think,
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  Speaker 3: who's that guy that says we're never going to go
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  Speaker 3: to war with him because we both have McDonald's. Was
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  Speaker 3: that noam chompsky Or am I just making that up?
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  Speaker 2: I know there's someone who says that.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody says it's like the McDonald's doctorate was chompsky.
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  Speaker 4: God, he is part of it. Hangs out with the Hamburgler.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the hamburglars, trying to fucking steal the season means
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  Speaker 3: of production along with a hamburger he wants, he wants
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  Speaker 3: to fry later, and the grill and the whole fucking
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  Speaker 3: the whole thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a grill Marxist.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about the history of GM Guantanamo Migrant
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  Speaker 2: Operations Center again, completely separate facility from the detention camp.
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  Speaker 2: History dates back to the nineteen seventies when lots of
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  Speaker 2: people were trying to flee Haiti, much like today.
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  Speaker 3: Still, Yeah, they hated it. Damn it. What we just
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  Speaker 3: we just do a hack headbutt the.
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  Speaker 4: I said it first and you said it second. But
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  Speaker 4: you're the guy, so you'll get caard of for it, jinks.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't bring any kind of competition energy
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  Speaker 3: to it. That was all you.
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  Speaker 2: So there were lots of people trying to flee Haiti,
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  Speaker 2: and they would often sail directly to the United States,
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  Speaker 2: but more often they would sail to Guantanamo on account
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  Speaker 2: of how it's a nice mid point between Haiti and
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  Speaker 2: the US. And almost immediately the US realized the same
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  Speaker 2: thing about Haitian migrants that we realized about the War
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  Speaker 2: on Terror detainees, which is that if we deal with
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  Speaker 2: them in another country, we don't have any legal oversight
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  Speaker 2: in what we do. We can just kind of handle
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  Speaker 2: the situation however we want, and then the courts in
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  Speaker 2: law can't say shit about it.
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  Speaker 3: You know. Then called CIA transparency sites exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a policy we've definitely abandoned since then.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're better than that now.
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  Speaker 2: So people started fleeing Haiti in nineteen seventy two, or
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  Speaker 2: at least that's when the first group of people fleeing
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  Speaker 2: Haiti landed in the United States. They were fleeing the
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  Speaker 2: dictatorship of Francois and then later Jean Claude Duvalier.
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  Speaker 3: Sick gass name for a dictator, by the way, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: John Claude Duvalier man.
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  Speaker 2: And I believe it's Jean Claude, whose nickname was baby Doc,
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  Speaker 2: which is also kind of a frightening nickname. I like that.
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  Speaker 3: Ye like Joseph Mangela and the dictator of Haiti had
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  Speaker 3: the same.
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  Speaker 4: Wait like he's a doctor on babies, or he is
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  Speaker 4: a baby doctor like baby Boss.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, boss Baby.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't google them much, but I wonder if they
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  Speaker 2: are father and son, and maybe father was just.
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  Speaker 3: Not be cute.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's adorable. If so, I don't know if that's
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  Speaker 2: an answer. I'm going to be able to find this
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  Speaker 2: fucking quick.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he died. Francois died in seventy one, which leads
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  Speaker 2: me to believe that, oh it is.
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  Speaker 3: His father was friends. Francois was his father. Yeah, Papa
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  Speaker 3: Doc Duvalier.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so, yeah, Papa Doc and Baby Doc.
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  Speaker 3: That's cool, that's good.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they sound like smurfs, you know. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 4: going to be scared of that regime.
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  Speaker 2: Well, about thirty five hundred Haitians from nineteen seventy two
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  Speaker 2: to nineteen seventy seven. As it turns out, they all
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  Speaker 2: landed in the US seeking asylum. Haitian boat people, we
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  Speaker 2: called him back then. In nineteen eighty one, Reagan instituted
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  Speaker 2: a policy of intercepting Haitian refugees at sea.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta say real quick though, just backtracking the Haitian
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  Speaker 3: boat people, that's not the least racist thing we've ever
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  Speaker 3: called any the buddy, but it's definitely not the most.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's so much worse.
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  Speaker 3: We've definitely done worse.
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  Speaker 4: I grew up in South Florida in like the mid
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  Speaker 4: to late nineties, and there's much worse that they still you.
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  Speaker 2: Is, Yeah, I'm sure. So. In eighty one, Reagan instituted
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  Speaker 2: a policy of intercepting Haitians at sea, and the policy
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  Speaker 2: was essentially just to capture them and immediately send them
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  Speaker 2: back to Haiti. But that became a lot trickier after
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  Speaker 2: the nineteen ninety one overthrow of Jean Bertrand are A Steed.
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  Speaker 2: They had this dictatorship it ends, and then Jean Bertrand
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  Speaker 2: our Steed takes over, and he's a generally cool guy.
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  Speaker 2: Human rights abuses go down, people trying to flee the
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  Speaker 2: country go way, way way down. Everything's fine. And that
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  Speaker 2: lasts for eight months and then he is overthrown within
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  Speaker 2: less than a year of taking office. And in the
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  Speaker 2: decade before he was overthrown, twenty five thousand Haitians were
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  Speaker 2: intercepted at sea trying to seek refuge in the US.
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  Speaker 2: In one year after he was overthrown, thirty eight thousand
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  Speaker 2: were intercepted at sea. So it was a huge influx
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  Speaker 2: of Haitian asylum seekers into the United States. So George
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  Speaker 2: hw Bush calls for them to be redirected to Guantanamo.
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  Speaker 2: And that is because at one point a group called
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  Speaker 2: the Haitian Refugee Center successfully sued to block forced repatriation,
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  Speaker 2: meaning we could not just send people back to Haiti
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  Speaker 2: all willy nilly, but that only applied on US soil. So,
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  Speaker 2: just like with the War on Terror, we were like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 2: well we can get around all those.
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  Speaker 3: Bullshit laws US soil. Huh, don't see any of that
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  Speaker 3: around here, do you.
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  Speaker 2: And so we decided send everyone to Guantanamo and then
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  Speaker 2: we can just repatriate them without giving it a second thought.
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  Speaker 3: Bobby, do we have to stay in Guam Tama No.
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  Speaker 2: So at its height, g mock held around eleven thousand,
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  Speaker 2: three hundred refugees.
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  Speaker 3: That's like a medium sized city in the Midwest. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like that's a Coachella.
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  Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, it's at least like in an arena
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  Speaker 2: basketball game or something like G League. Now G League's
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  Speaker 2: not selling that. That's like a Caitlin Clark WNBA game.
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  Speaker 3: That's like the last NEWFX concert was about that many people.
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  Speaker 2: It's an alarming number of people to just be holding
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  Speaker 2: in a camp. So in nineteen ninety two, GHWB issued
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  Speaker 2: Executive Order one two eight zero seven aka the Kennebunkport Order,
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  Speaker 2: that call for repatriating Haitians without even screening them for
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  Speaker 2: the possibility that they might be eligible for asylum, and
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  Speaker 2: so eventually most asylum seekers were repatriated, about a third
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  Speaker 2: were granted asylum. But even after that, as of nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety two, there were still around two hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 2: seven asylum seekers being held at GMC, and why because
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  Speaker 2: they were all HIV positive. This was kind of the
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  Speaker 2: height of the AIDS crisis. Also, and a nineteen eighty
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  Speaker 2: seven law barred anyone who was HIV positive from emigrating
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  Speaker 2: to the United States.
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  Speaker 4: Was that Reagan? We love Reagan?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking Reagan. I know the answer is no. But
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  Speaker 2: has anyone seen the Reagan movie?
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  Speaker 3: Probably no, No.
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  Speaker 2: I had to watch it for work.
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  Speaker 4: I will see the porn adaptation when they make that though.
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  Speaker 3: Mister Gorbachev, tear down your pants.
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  Speaker 2: I need to watch the Reagan movie again just to
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  Speaker 2: make sure I saw this correctly. But it's like a
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  Speaker 2: fucking Marvel movie the way they treat him like he
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  Speaker 2: is a superhero in this movie. But at one point
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  Speaker 2: they're talking about criticism and they show the number of
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  Speaker 2: people who died of AIDS under Ronald Reagan, and I
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  Speaker 2: swear to god, it looks like a fucking Instagram meme.
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  Speaker 2: It's got like explosive colors. It fucking pops. It looks
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  Speaker 2: like they were celebrating how many people died of AIDS
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  Speaker 2: under rage got them And I'm not joking.
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  Speaker 4: Hey just make it snappy, though, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that movie's wild. This fucking w I sat in
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  Speaker 2: the corner and fucking heck.
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  Speaker 4: That sounds like something They make it The scientology studios.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, it's propaganda for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Are you gonna make a hagiography by the guy who
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  Speaker 3: gives Axander Haig? That's no good. There's too much Haig,
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  Speaker 3: way too much.
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  Speaker 2: So that is how one camp at g Mock, in particular, Camp.
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  Speaker 4: Bulkeley became the best disco in.
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  Speaker 2: History close it became the world's first detention center exclusively
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  Speaker 2: for people with HIV and AIDS. That's not a bad
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  Speaker 2: look at all. And I'm not surprised that the United States
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  Speaker 2: was first to open some shit like that.
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  Speaker 3: I think we're the first first group to round up
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  Speaker 3: Japanese people and people with HIV. So, you know, as
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  Speaker 3: far as camps, concentration camps go, we've broken more grind
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  Speaker 3: than we really like to admit.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, has Russia done it?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know Russia ever rounded up Japanese people, people
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  Speaker 3: with age. That's a good question.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean we've kind of got everyone beat
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  Speaker 2: with you know, indigenous people. That was we built this
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  Speaker 2: country on a fucking genocide.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And so when AIDS activists found out about this camp,
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  Speaker 2: they were understandably furious. Bill Clinton, tell me if this
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  Speaker 2: sounds familiar. George Bush is in office, and he has
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  Speaker 2: opened this camp at Guantanamo that is just seen as
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  Speaker 2: a stain on the United States reputation on the world stage.
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  Speaker 2: And now along comes a Democrat, Bill Clinton, and he
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  Speaker 2: campaigns in part on what closing.
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  Speaker 4: That g.
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  Speaker 2: And then he does what nothing? He does not close
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  Speaker 2: that camp.
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  Speaker 4: Oh I feel like I've heard that again. We had
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  Speaker 4: the remix of that.
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  Speaker 3: Of some bad stuff. Mate, We could have canna have
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  Speaker 3: a fucking up the party.
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  Speaker 4: But he did play really good saxophone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he looked mean in a pair of ray bands,
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  Speaker 2: and so we I mean, he was running against George H. W.
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  Speaker 3: Bush.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine.
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  Speaker 3: He's just got that smiling, puffy, happy drunk face. That's
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  Speaker 3: just kind of infectious, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also we probably thought he was going to
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  Speaker 2: close down the AIDS camp at Guantanamo, but he did not.
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  Speaker 2: He campaigned on closing it and then almost like right
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  Speaker 2: before taking office, decided never mind.
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  Speaker 4: Hasn't like actually every Democrat done the same thing, every
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  Speaker 4: Democratic president.
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  Speaker 2: Since Yeah, yeah, this was its fucking history with Peter.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to blows Kuanamo.
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  Speaker 4: I think Obama the city would too.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Obama definitely. Did I remember that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of Obama's main He.
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  Speaker 3: Was like talking about it too. He was like, and
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna do what was long overdue for many years now,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll close Guano on day one and then just
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  Speaker 3: didn't do it for eight years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, in January nineteen ninety three, detainees at Camp
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  Speaker 2: Bulkeley went on a hunger strike, and students at Yale
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  Speaker 2: Law School. This was back when we were allowed to
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  Speaker 2: protest shit without getting disappeared. Students at Yale Law School,
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  Speaker 2: who had helped file legal challenges on behalf of detainees
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  Speaker 2: at Camp Bulkeley, joined the hunger strike for one week.
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  Speaker 4: That's so Harvard. They went on a cleanse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was Yale. And then they passed it to
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  Speaker 2: stupid like HPV like yeah, yeah, like that Denzel Washington
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  Speaker 2: movie where you just touch someone and now there they
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  Speaker 2: like the.
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  Speaker 3: Fucking talking stick, like, okay, now you support Guantanamo. This week,
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  Speaker 3: we did it. We did our shift. I took the
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  Speaker 3: hamster home for one weekend for the class pet it's
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  Speaker 3: your turn now, it's.
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  Speaker 4: The it follows of activism.
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  Speaker 2: They met at the Guantanamo McDonald's trade off and everyone
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  Speaker 2: threw down on cheeseburgers.
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  Speaker 3: The only place with good Wi Fi around here I.
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  Speaker 4: Know was that when we were protesting McDonald's because they
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  Speaker 4: had styrofoam. Though.
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's right, similar fucking times. You know. You know what,
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  Speaker 3: I haven't seen a million years of Meeta his murderer sign.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's Echo Park. Clearly I did live there. It's
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  Speaker 3: been a while, lost my roots. I guess Peter.
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  Speaker 4: Still's got their billboards up like a chicken going I'm
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  Speaker 4: not dinner. I'm a friend.
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  Speaker 3: Those yeah, both, But I'm talking about a bikini kill,
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  Speaker 3: poorly spray painted meat, his murder on a poster board
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  Speaker 3: sign and an issue of Adbuster's magazine.
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  Speaker 2: Last time I saw anti meat graffiti it was in
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  Speaker 2: Costa Rica. I haven't seen it here in a while.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like we gave them beyond burgers and they're
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  Speaker 4: fine now. Yeah, probably they probably put some sedatives in
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  Speaker 4: all the fake meat.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, do you just eat a bunch of calories.
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  Speaker 3: That's a sedative in itself. But you know who was
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  Speaker 3: not eating a lot of calories was his students at Harvard.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry so Harvard. After they got past the hunger strike,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: they passed it on to the University of Michigan, which
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: that feels like a step down Yale Harvard University of
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Michigan football. Though probably after that I was Grand Canyon University.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Palm Beach Community College, shout out all the money.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: And then and then at the very last, how about
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Trump University.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I very briefly went to a junior college called Illinois
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Central College ic C, and people would say ice C
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: stood for I can't spell. That's cute, funny. So eventually
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: protests broke out on college campuses across the country, and
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: at least from a protest standpoint, things reached ahead when
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins appeared at the nineteen ninety
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: three Oscars and used the moment to draw attention to
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: the plight of Haitian detainees being held in the Guantanamo
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: HIV camp as it came to be known.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Joining a surprising list of real ones.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thank god for celebrities fixing everything. What would we
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: do without them?
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: I like, it really is our only hope at this point.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: We're like, maybe the rock we'll fix it if it feels.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Like it, Yeah, I mean corporate America.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Maybe Google will turn out to be nice again. Remember
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: when their slogan was don't be evil and then they
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: were like, I fuck that. Change it to make money
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: and break stuff.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now it's fuck it be evil. So the HIV
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: camp at Guantanamo was finally shut down in June nineteen
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: ninety three.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: I like when we call it camps, you know, camps
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: makes it sound fun, like they're playing tennis.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Like I remember when we met at HIV camp. You
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: had so much HIV ah. You did too.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: It was finally shut down in June nineteen ninety three
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: after US District Court Judge Sterling Johnson Junior ruled that
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the camps were unconstitutional and kind of dropped the hammer
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: on the Clinton administration in a highly angry fifty three
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: page ruling that included accusations that the US was showing
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: quote deliberate indifference to the medical needs of refugees and
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: holding Haitians in quote arbitrary and definite detention.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Who do they think they are? Local police departments?
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly is this guy's name? He had the most
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: homophobic shown thing name ever, But he was down with
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: the cause. There's like Lee.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Sterling, Sterling J. Johnson, Sterling J.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Johnson.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: No, that's classic gay. That's back when they were like
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: Liberaci and that's that's a classic gay name.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Oh really, Okay, Sterling, come on, what do I know
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: Sterling is a gay name back then?
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Like this is like a Time magazine Aero Flynn, glamor boy,
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: like Rock Hudson. I'm just imagining this is an older judge,
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: like a silver Fox Daddy. I don't know.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: I was I pictured. I pictures, yes, Sterling similarly, but
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: as the racist cowboy and not a sexy fucking cowboy. Both.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: Baby, there's your day, judge, there's your night.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Judge depends on where his wife is.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: He also said they're being kept in conditions quote usually
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: reserved for spies and murderers.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's a hard quote.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: And that their continued imprisonment quote serves no purpose other
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: than to punish them for being sick. End quote. And
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: one last quote, the Haitian's plight is a tragedy of
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: immense proportion, and their continued containment is totally unacceptable to
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: this court. End quote. Called for everyone to be released
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: and placed anywhere, but Haiti and everyone in the camp
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: was eventually relocated to Miami or New York. City.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Yees, that explains a lot.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: And you know, if you're a real HIV in nerd,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: you can still trace certain strains of HIV all the
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: way back to Haiti. So there's a little history for you.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Blue dream HIV came from this shipment of migrants.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: And so then not long after that relative success story,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I guess we got everyone liberated from the Guantanamo HIV camp.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Not long after that, the Cuban rafter crisis.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I lived in Florida. I was at West ponm
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: for this.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Oh really, what was that like?
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you'd be like, who washed up today?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah? It first wondered if this was related to the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Elian Gonzales thing.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Ellien was at the end of it. I think. You
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: know what's funny. I googled him today. Later I think
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: he was at the end of the nineties. Yeah, like
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: ninety nine, two thousand. Yeah, he just became a Cuban
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: congressman Eleon.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I also googled him last night. Yeah. It's crazy
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: that America went from holding automatic weapons in the face
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: of children to all this fascism. What the fuck? Who
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: could have seen us get in here? We were so
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: chill in the nineties.
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's almost like we've changed so much, so much.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I know, all we were doing was we were rating
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: compounds and the deporting people. It was even awful.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's my thing though about everyone that says
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: it's so bad Now, I'm like, but how is it different? Yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: we're just talking about it now.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all the same nuts, Steve. Now we're just
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: like openly trying to rebrand it. You know.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in fifty years, this will be what America has
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: always been according to history books, because that's what they're doing.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: They're trying to erase history and rewrite it as this version.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: That's what we've done since Columbus came in. The Pilgrims
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: made friends with all those Native Americans who just suddenly
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: died for no reason.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they'll and conveniently left us their plush ass
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: pad with all this cool corn and maize.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: And it's super duper Nazi shit. The Nazis at one
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: point sent this group on like a knowledge expedition to
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: find out all the points in history where arians were
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: involved in developing history. And they came back and were
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: like everywhere, in fact, everywhere throughout history. And I feel
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: like that's what that ancient alien's bullshit is leading up too?
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: You think it's actually ancient arians.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Well, I think ancient aliens. It is kind of inherently racist,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Like it's the idea that, oh, well, these fucking uncivilized
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: monsters did not develop anything, They didn't know how to
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: do anything. It was time traveling white men who came
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: back and told them how to do shit.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Gray Men, thank you?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Are they?
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Though?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Like, if you watch that show, there's the gray Men,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: and then there's also the fucking Nazi looking men space Nazis,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Fucking space Nazis. I mean, how else are they gonna
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: explain the Oh yeah, Arians were everywhere.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, now that we've got Elon Musk and SpaceX,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: we are literally one step from space Nazis.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: A lot of ancient Aliens. People are like, how did
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: they cut this big ass rock? This big? Like then
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: their whole thing is like being autistic about rocks, And
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: then I'm and I'm sure being a Nazi has nothing
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: to do with it. So I don't know the every
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: ancient Aliens guy is a Nazi, but yeah, the definitely
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: it's some Uh, it is kind of funny that we
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: can't we can't just like like like except that Egyptians
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: made a cool point e thing.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think every person who like watches Ancient
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Aliens as a Nazi, and I don't think everyone who
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: believes it is, but I think at its root it's
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: probably some Nazi shit.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: The Nazis were definitely into ancient Aliens and like the
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Hollow Earth and shit like that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: If you follow a lot of conspiracies down far enough,
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: you get to hating the Jews. It's a real common denominator.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: So yeah, probably some Nazi shit in there. Yeah, I
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: mean that's part of it. We just had passover where
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: we're like the Jews were the slaves of the Egyptians,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: and like, how did the Egyptians build all this shit? Aliens?
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Not the Jewish slaves, the Aliens Aliens.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: So in nineteen ninety four, Fidel Castro gave a speech
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that his opponents deemed as a bit of a threat,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: and riots and protests broke out over it, and in response,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Castro was like, you know what, if you don't like it,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: you can leave. I will let you leave. Because that
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: wasn't always a thing in Cuba.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: You couldn't just see it was like when you let
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: your five year old kid run away from home, you know,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: and he gets down the street starts crying.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot like that, because thirty five thousand men,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: women and children kinda all at once hopped on makeshift
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: rafts and homemade boats and tried to make the trek
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: from Cuba to the United States, and some of them
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: made it to the US, which was a good break
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: for them because I think even at the time, but
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: not long after this crisis, the US put a policy
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: in place called wetfoot, dryfoot, which was if you made
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: it to the United States, they would grant you asylum
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: if you made it to United States soil. If they
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: intercepted you on the sea in a boat, you got
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: repatriated back.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like a game show.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I was about to say, I loved that they turned
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: it into like a death race challenge.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: I remember reading like articles all the time of like
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: people who would come ashore on Florida beaches and you'd
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: be like, how the fuck did they all fit in
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: that like plastic bucket with three tubes around it, and
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: then like you just made it.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: It does sound kind of fun to make a boat
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: out of crap you just find lying around Cuba. You know,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: that seems kind of like an exciting challenge.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: They got real crafty.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: So people who made it to Florida, that was good.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Some others died. There was a lot of drownings.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: I will say, though, a lot of the rich Cubans
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: came over and there's like a very republican, conservative upper class,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: large population of Cubans that came that like, you know,
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: took their private jets or whatever.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Well there's Mexicans that are like build the wall, you know,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: like I got mine, fuck you.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, I've always known a lot of very white
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: looking because they were like the descendants of the Spanish slaveholders,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: like very very rich, very conservative, Republican Cubans.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: So the people who made it to Florida, that was
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: great for them. The rest were intercepted at sea and
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: taken to GimC. This story actually has a much happier ending, though,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: while it is true that thousands of Cubans were kept
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: in generally inhumane conditions for years after this exodus, the
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Clinton administration announced in May nineteen ninety five that Guantanamo
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: detainees from Cuba would be allowed to emigrate to the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: United States and Washington agreed to issue twenty thousand visas
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: a year in an effort to curtail the amount of
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: people arriving by boat.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: And the problem was solved.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone lived happily.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Ever never and so now, after all that, the United
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: States is looking to go back to sending immigrants and
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: asylum seekers to the Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Well, it's just sitting there, Adam, what would you do
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: with it? Let it right?
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: It really is insane how much free space there is
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: at Guantanamo. They are literally holding fifteen people at Guantanamo.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Why was it like a bad theater production?
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: They are holding the Chino Community Theater cast of Sweeney Todd,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: thank god, at an undisclosed CIA black site.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: So there was all this outrage when Trump announced these
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: plans to expand the Guantanamo Migrant Operation Center and send
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: deportees there. Here's a headline. One example, Beyond the pale
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I Wrap denounces trump plan to expand detention of migrants
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: at Guantanamo Bay, i RAP being International Refugee Assistance Project.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Another Trump's Guantanamo migrant plan evokes a dark history that
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: is CNN. But like so many other things, immigration related
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: In this, Democrats' stance on this isn't actually all that different.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Here's another CNN headline from March thirteenth, twenty twenty four,
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Biden administration discussing using Guantanamo Bay to process possible influx
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: of Haitian migrants, and then New York Times September nineteenth,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, Inside the secretive facility housing migrants at
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Guantanamo Bay.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: It's like all of those border facilities that Biden also
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: never closed.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean Obama opened them, so why would Biden
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: close them? That's another really underrated aspect of the Democrats'
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: stance on immigration. Yeah, putting kids in cages sucks. Who
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: built those cages?
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Oopsie?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah that was Obama?
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Thanks Obama.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: And this is the same thing. Conditions did not improve
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: there just because a Democrat was president. Internal reports obtained
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: by the New York Times and interviews they conducted with
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: migrants who were held there produced all sorts of allegations.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Migrants were forced to wear blackout goggles when being transported
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: through the base, Calls with lawyers were monitored. Some areas
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: of the camp were unfit for habitation and were overrun
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: with rats and overflowing toilets.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Sounds like a pretty bad place to live, but a
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: pretty good half life game.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Department of Homeland Security inspectors. So the Department of Homeland
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Security itself at one point recommended that, on account of
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: all the squalid conditions at Guantanamo, the government should stop
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: holding children there. So, under Biden, we were sending children
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: to Guantanamo. And I'm not at all saying Trump sending
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: people to Guantanamo is better. But also this shit about oh,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: this is so beyond the pale. We've never heard of
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: anything like this before. We all have Google, we can
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: just look it up. Yeah, like, what the fuck Biden
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: was doing the same thing.
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: I hate when Democrats pretend like they're so perfect and
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: like everything they've ever done is great.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: This is kind of one of those things like signing NAFTA,
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: where every president tells says fuck the other president for
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: signing NAFTA. But they were all just importing people the
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: entire time.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's almost like they're the same class and they're
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: trying to manipulate us to keep us distracted from doing
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: anything to change.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: In Yeah, there's a new flavor of sprite out. I
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: should probably go check that out.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, there's a few. Well, there's new sprites
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and there's new seven ups out there.
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Wow, this is an embarrassment of lemon lime riches.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Adam, there is a Shirley Temple flavored.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Oh bangs, seven up bangs, Adam, It fucking bangs. It's good.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: It's very good.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: I bet that they just put crediting it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: I don't care. I hope.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: So why you be in this way? Sam can buy
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: it in a can now, Oh am? I so, yeah.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: We were sending kids to Guantanamo under Biden. The only
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: real difference between the Biden and Trump plan is that
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Trump wants to go back to the days when the
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center could hold tens of thousands of
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: people as opposed to the few hundred it can apparently
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: hold now.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: So he wants he actually wants to make the camp,
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: if what I'm understanding is correct, he wants to make
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: the camp less concentrated. He wants it to be larger camp,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: you know, more camp less, you know, better ratio, so
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: it's not.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: The biggest, the greatest concentration camp anyone's ever seen. Like
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Burning Man, right, yeah, yeah, like Burning Man exactly.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the Burning Man of where you burn men.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: It's essentially a music festival.
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like Firefest.
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is kind of ad with better bathroom.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: They're doing Firefest too, right.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: They claim they're doing Firefest too.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: I think it's already like there's nothing give me money
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: and there's no refunds.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's if you bought tickets for Firefest two, you deserve.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: You should go to the new get Mo.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, we should get you out of society
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: as opposed to immigrants. You're dragging us all down. So
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: this tent camp was opened and we were gonna send
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: detainees there, but it did not meet Department of Homeland
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Security standards in that it was not air conditioned. And
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: I bet you that was a guard complaint that got
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: addressed more than a oh well, we don't want the
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: people we're holding here to be in sweltering conditions. I
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: guarantee that was the people who had to over it.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Somebody's nephew, it's hot, yeah, exactly.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Weirdly, Department of Homeland Security seems to be whiny enough
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: to help.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, their hearts of gold on these fascists.
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, saved this again, and
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming the real explanation is that it was just
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: cheaper to disappear everyone to El Salvador or whatever. Also,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: the outfit that was given the government contract to run
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: the expanded g MOC, a company called Achima, has run
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: previous prison camps and has been accused of all sorts
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: of human rights abuses at those camps.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: Also, did they run the Woodstock ninety nine?
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: So this outfit that was given the government contract to
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: run the expanded GMOC, which it's interesting that they were given.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Keep that part in mind. They were given this contract
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: to run an expanded GITMO Migrant Operation Center, a company
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: called Akima been accused of human rights abuses before, Just
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: like the fucking Trump administration to give a contract this
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: important to a bunch of un the company, who's this
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: friend abusive monsters?
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I was just joking. It's actually Biden who did this part. Also,
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: he awarded them that contract in August twenty twenty four.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: It was for one hundred and sixty three point four
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: million dollars and runs through June twenty twenty nine. It's
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: almost as if he knew we were going to be
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: expanding Guantanamo Bay to hold refugees and asylum seekers.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: You know what's all mentioned the other day that I
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: didn't think about. They're like, wow, Biden made a great
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: recovery right after the election, right he was falling down.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: He is forgetting shit, and now he's just walking around smiling,
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: being great. Pretty remarkable.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: He's playing Rocks and Jocks softball next week on MTV.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, miraculous. Yeah, really turned it around.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: He signed with CIA. I know that part is actually true.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: It's like CIA or CIA.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Is there a difference? So yeah, it was actually the
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Biden administration that awarded this group of abusers a mysterious
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: contract to run Guantanamo Bay's migrant Operations Center.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: I needs you to give them needs to be bigger, man,
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: it's gotta be huge.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: And like that contract runs through what would have been
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: past the end of a second Biden term.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: If that was going to have to talk to I'm
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: about to make it. The rooms, many many rooms, man,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: we need many big rooms, man rooms.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: And had had he dropped out by August twenty twenty four,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I don't remember.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Let's check.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Was he yeah? Was he unfit to run? But fit
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: to sign expansion deals for CIA black sites could be yep.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: July twenty first, twenty twenty four. Wow, the Biden administration
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: withdrew their candidacy for president, but was still mentally competent
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: enough to hand this contract for an expanded Guantanamo.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: To place the rubber stamp onto the piece of paper
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: and apply firm pressure around the edges.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, It's almost as if the plan was
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: to expand Guantanamo and send people there all along, no
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: matter who won. Go figure, go fucking figure.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Almost like a lot of the sam stuff happens no
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: matter what puppet is in front of it.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is interesting timing that he awarded this
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: contract in what would have been the heart of all
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: the uproar about him dropping out and Kamala being chosen
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: to run.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: It's almost like he knew there would be distracting stories
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: so no one would be paying attention to the policy
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: he was doing.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Never let a good crisis go to waste, right.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I used to say that all the time about the
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Mueller probe when he was looking into Trump in Russia.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Whenever something would drop about that, if you did enough googling,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: you would find an arguably bigger story that people should
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: have been talking about, and the one that always stands
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: out is when the one of the first indictments was
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: handed down. It was at the exact same time the
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: US was in front of Congress trying to expand this
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: order that allowed us to just kind of declare war
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: in the Middle East without having to clear it with Congress.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: We wanted to expand that to Africa, and no one
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: fucking reported on that. I mean, people reported on it,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: but it was not a thing Americans were like up
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: in arms about or asking questions.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Not spicy, that's spicy fun.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it got rejected. But so I'm sure Africa's
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: going to be fine now though no other problem.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: I guess we'll just have to make the war a
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: little less endless for now. No oh no, Sometimes I
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: wonder if I should just root for the deep state.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe they do know it's best for us, you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: maybe if we don't get those minerals, we're all going
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: to die.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I also, I mean, in terms of rooting for
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: the deep State, I am really interested to see what
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: the blowback is going to be from firing all those
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: USAID people and making them come back to the United States.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: It's like they're the ones who make coups happen.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're all spies.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why would you want them back here? That's insane.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a bunch of unemployed, destabilizing dudes, nothing
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: to do. What are they going to get into.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: And with so much social media capability in their hands
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: that they didn't have in those tiny ass countries where
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: they were causing all sorts of mayhem. They even usaid, actually,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: you think.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: We're going to get a lot of like tiktoks from formers.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Probably we did that. We did a USAID episode And
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: one of the spy things USA did at one point
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: was start Cuban Twitter. It was a it was called
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Zunzeneo or something like that, which is supposed to be
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: the sound Cuban hummingbirds make. And it was all part
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: of a plan to like topple the government in Cuba.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: They were going to build up the user base using
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: like pop culture and sports content and then at one
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: point just start hammering it with political content about how
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: people should gather in public to overthrow the government. That
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: was fucking USAID that did that.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: Someone told me they worked for USA or they volunteered
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: or something. And when they got into like like a
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: higher up role, their supervisor walked around, they met like
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: all the other people from other charitable things from the
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: countries that they were working with, and then afterwards are like, yeah,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: don't tell those guys anything. Everyone's time.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that and that is I mean that there was
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: also a thing USAID did in Cuba where they just
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: wanted to get people in to spy on Cuba for something,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: and so they opened an AIDS clinic. And that's the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: kind of shit people don't take into account. Is like
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: you look at that on paper and you're like, but USA,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: they're helping.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, no, it's US AIDS.
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Well, and it it comes at a cost, Like we
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: don't just help, like when the United States is helping,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: we want something. We're fucking up to something.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like didn't didn't we will. We caught bin laden,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: but with like that weird blood sample thing where we
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: trade like some genome markers from his family back to
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: a certain village under the auspices of providing some kind
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: of like medical care for people. And it seemed like
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: we were doing this nice statement. The fucking we weren't.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: We were catching mid Luden.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't mean that to imply that Trump
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: and Elon Musk are right for shutting down USA because
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: they're just doing they're just doing mob shit on the
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: world stage.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: We're just not well because I think they actually thought
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: that were they were stopping giving away charity. They don't
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: even realize what they're shutting down.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's possible.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: That's the thing.
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: I think they wanted to own the Libs, but they
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: accidentally owned the fucking deep state coup apparatus, like you said, Yeah, Yeah, I.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: Feel like they actually don't even know what it was.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that could be because that, yeah, that was our
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: whole thing, Like we dished out a lot of charity
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: money around the world, but it's because we wanted stuff.
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: Right, Because they're so non politician, they actually are also
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: the idiot, like they drank the kool aid on what
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: we're all supposed to think it is.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I am also worried I mentioned this on
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: the US eight episode, But I am worried that it's
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: also going to be a crackdown on independent journalists.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: There hasn't been independent journalism in a while. Yeah, who
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: everyone's getting paid by some corporation or billionaire. Everything's got
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: a scant, everything's got a slant.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: Everything has a crackdown on Adam Todd Brown and Whitney Webb,
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: the last two independent journalisms.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're coming for us. They're coming for the pods,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: just so Gavin Newsom could be the only podcaster in town.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: Oh does he start a podcast?
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Did you say does he have a podcast? Newsom has
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: a podcast. Yeah. He had fucking Charlie Kirk on his
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: first episode and then had Steve Bannon on the second episode.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Gruesome Newsom?
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the thing about not they're
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: not being independent journalism. That doesn't mean journalists should be
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: rounded up and sent to El Salvador, which is what
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: the president of l Salvador wants.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: They should be rounded up and sent to journalism school.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah maybe so. Yeah. That's the Guantanamo Migrant Operations Center.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: It has been around for a long time. Trump did
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: not invent the idea of sending immigrants there, which probably
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: comes as a little bit of a disappointment to Trump supporters.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they want to think their guy is breaking
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: all sorts of new ground in being shitty to immigrants,
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: But it's no It's.
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Kind of like how the like Trump did the vaccine,
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: but he can't really take credit for it, and liberals
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: always say there was Biden's vaccine.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they don't want Trump to necessarily be new, they
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: want him to be Reagan again. So in a way, yeah,
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: bringing him back to AIDS in Guantanamo is very Reagan.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so much of what's happening is just like reagl.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: Just what they wanted. That's what they wanted, right, that's
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: the great again.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, that was even I mean everyone knows us
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: by now, but that was also Reagan's campaign slogan he
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: just put lets And.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I just read a really great book about Reagan called
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: reagan Land by Rick Pearlstein, who's done this like series
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: of conservatives in America going from Berry, Goldwater to Nixon
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: to droveed forward to Reagan, and like the way that
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: he put it, and that made me feel like so nostalgic.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: That's that it's so connected to the president. Is that
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: like he finds a way to make this like corporate
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: welfare seem like folks, he common like morality, Like it's
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: like the like it's the salt of the earth, you know,
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Like like he makes you cutting USA. It seems seem
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: like it's humanitarian.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's what young Brush had too, That's
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: what GW had gone for him.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, the scamp almost privatized social Security.
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: He was a real I don't know, I think he
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: was kind of a hidden gem GW in retros.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: Fact, what I read a book about him too, called
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Days of Fire, and he sounded very sincere, like he
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: sounded like he really actually took the office of the
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: president seriously as much as a kind of a dumb guy,
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: could you know.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Now he's just like painting art and trying to
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: do his own name.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: And he's he's the kind of he would at least
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: he listened to the Senate parliamentarian and all that whatever
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: shit that we just don't even all the all the
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: like semantics that we just no longer entertain in the
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: post Trump political era where we just you know, do
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: whatever we want.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a fucking war criminal.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Oh all of our presidents are. Yeah, there's not a
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: single you as president. I think that's not though.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So Guantanamo, that's our episode. Now, you know, when
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: migrants get sent to Guantanamo, just take heart in knowing
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: they're going to a slightly different version of Guantanamo. That's
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: also a brutal nightmare. Yay, but hey, at least they're
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: not being waterboarded. Probably right?
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: Was that the one with the picture? Who is that
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the military lady who was in the pictures? Like, give
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: him the thumbs up?
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Is that Abu Gray? Are you talking about Abu Grave? Okay?
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Which was in Iraq?
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I get all the torture places confused. I'm just a girl.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: It's hard to keep track.
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: There's so many, all the torture places like your nutsac
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: and your nipples and your eyelids and buttle torture places.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the torture places. So speaking to torture places, that
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: has been our Guantanamo episode. Connor, Sam, thank you both
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: so much for doing the pod. I appreciate it. What
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: in the fuck do we have to plug before we
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: get out of here? This feels like the best possible
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: time to plug some shit. I would like people to
• 48:20
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• 48:23
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• 48:27
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• 48:30
  Speaker 2: but very cool. Sam, What do you want to plug?
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: I'm at Sam's Sweets on Insudden, I don't think TikTok
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: and Twitter, I don't know. I don't know. I don't
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: go on it anywhere, but you can probably find me there.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: I'm only Sam's with two e's on OnlyFans. I have
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: definite fans of your pods on there, and they're always
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: very nice to play, so I appreciate them. And I'm
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: doing stand up at the State's Social House in West
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Hollywood on Monday, April twenty eighth th at eight thirty pm.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Connor.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: You can check out on the radio show Good Morning
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• 49:12
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• 49:18
  Speaker 2: And I think that's it. Let's get the fuck out
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: of here. Sam, say goodbye, goodbye, Connor say goodbye, bye bye, goodbye. Everybody.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: We love you.