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Biggest Threats To The Buccaneers In The Mike Evans Sweepstakes · Hear The Cannons - Tampa Bay Buccaneers Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's happening guys, this is Logan Robinson from here the canons presented to you by buckscamet.com or here live on a wonderful fantastic Wednesday afternoon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's beautiful and sunny 72 degrees here in Tampa Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've got some big news to go over in this week's episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk Mike Evans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some big news happening earlier this week actually yesterday on Tuesday with him planning to return in 2026.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're will it be and also two specifically for this show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What teams could be the biggest threat to Mike Evans and the buck and ears coming back for another season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see we're going to do a deep discussion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to that, Ross and talk about Bucky Irving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did undergo an off season surgery where you're going to speak on that along with two Bradley Chub.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was released from the Miami Dolphins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could that be someone that the bucks are looking to tag team with?
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[SPEAKER_00]: on the other side of with the eye out the hobby to be able to upgrade that past rush.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will do a dive into that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But with me this morning, he's our veteran.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's our senior writer at K. It was kind of the only name you that anyways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That should be your name moving forward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is our senior writer, Caleb Skinner with me, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are we doing happy Wednesday?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, doing good, man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Guy, a little bit more snow following up here tonight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So excited for that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Super thrilled, but excited for agency, little over two weeks away.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Super stoked to get that on their way.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some guys that are being released at our availability picked up immediately.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously the big news of Mike.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's some caveats to the Mike Evans news that we'll discuss here, but excited to talk about it excited to see where he could potentially go as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But ultimately, we want him back in that
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go and get started.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I broke you yesterday, Mike Evans, and this was from ESPN's Kimberly Martin's saying that he's that she spoke with
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[SPEAKER_00]: his agent, Derek Gilmore, and he told her that, yes, indeed, Mike Evans does intend on returning for a 13th season in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb, I don't think this was too much of a shock to you and I that he would be returning even Baker Mayfield during Super Bowl week had guessed or predicted that he would want to come back due to his competitive edge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just Mike Evans, and he did come back from that collarbone injury and played at a high level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we saw what he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: at that Falcons game and we'll probably talk a little bit further on that in just a minute, but there's more to this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's not confirmed or is he planning on testing free agency?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That seems to be the plan here moving forward, which is now you guys a box fan, you're like, oh goodness gracious, please no, please no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, this is a little bit different than what Mike Evans was going in two, two years ago, Caleb, where
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you felt strong with what you had with Baker may feel you were coming back just because too you didn't know what you had in the literacy room and Mike Evans, you know, he brings that different tier of play level to a literacy room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're pretty loaded at that position and you got some young talent to work with, this gets very interesting, but was been just your instant reaction to all this with Mike Evans.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, funny, the timing of it comes just a day after there go more his agent released a statement about, you know, some fake news going on, potentially across Instagram and Facebook, so shut out to meta for all of that, you know, and then the day, you know, the immediate day after you get the news that Mike.
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[SPEAKER_02]: is not it's not his 13th reason, but he's going back for his 13th season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's it's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously his one is consecutive seasons of 1,000 yards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Receiving has been broken up after suffering that broken collarbone last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Came back against falcons.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Looks extremely great.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you know kind of tapered off down there at the end, but that was you know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: mostly because of the entire offensive issues, not just solely on what he was able to do in production and demise, and Baker Mayfield's injury, of course, playing into that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, he's kind of getting, you know, older, he is at that age, and maybe he does want to explore his options out there, maybe he does want another Super Bowl ring.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is Zach Robinson really moving the needle form?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't really know these things what's going through Mike's head, or you know
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it would be hard to see him, you know, head anywhere else, but again, there's, there's a lot of factors that are going to play into this for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you can't see that the book and years are potentially one of those contending teams, he could, you know, jettison off, but ultimately, I'm still going to stick with my original, you know, statement on this and that he's going to be back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What kind of deal?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you get north of like like say 20 million dollars It's not really gonna happen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You could see him, you know, be on the out-and-head elsewhere But if it's kind of under that number, it's really gonna fit into you don't expect like a Chris Godwin 22 million dollars which you know and hindsight is not the best of contracts that you should have awarded Chris Godwin It was just more of a loyalty thing
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[SPEAKER_02]: But you're kind of in a precarious situation there, so you're looking here at his calculated market value on SpotTrack.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's about two years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does that say?
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[SPEAKER_02]: 26 million.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So 13.3 mill is what they have him calculated at.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's probably right where you want to come in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be some teams out there that are going to throw money at him because of him still being able to play in an elite level despite his age.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In the production that he's able
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[SPEAKER_02]: ultimately.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I would love for Mike to be back, pair him with Baker Mayfield, continue on with whatever relationship they've been able to build and push towards at least getting back into the playoffs and then hopefully a soup ball run.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it'll be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that Mike's back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't want Mike to go anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's every bucks fan right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had a free gax and then a free gendry this previous season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, up there into Troy, he goes down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was very scary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a really bad head injury, but also to his collar ball in which really come to him out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for a very lengthy time of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And outside of that though, he's a healthy guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, outside of the hamstrings, which really kind of bug him sometimes throughout seasons, it's usually just a couple of games or kind of hinders him through a game or something of that sort.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But outside of that freak accident, this guy's a healthy one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He stays active all throughout the off season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he spends time during the season down here in Tampa then goes back home in Texas during the off season and There's gonna be a lot of things that are going to go through Mike Evans is head here and I do wonder at some point though Does he say hey, you know, I still have a lot left and me here
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[SPEAKER_00]: do I go and go to a team that has, you know, close to that spot of, hey, I can, you know, this is NFC championship team or I already have C championship team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a Super Bowl contender, do the bucks have that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you could say, you know, Zach Robinson coming in, you and I were talking about I believe those in last week's show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was talking about Drake London.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mike Evans given a lot of props to Drake Lund and guess who was coaching Drake Lund and that is now Buccaneers new offensive coordinator Zach Robinson So you got to feel like okay well Mike certainly you know likes the product of Drake Lund and these got to love the offense right there's got to be a lot to like there and
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Baker Mayfield, you know, if he's going to go somewhere, he's got to go to a certain level of where Baker Mayfield is at or higher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, we'll talk about some teams here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And just a second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you look at to the wider silver room right now for the box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could do a pro or con.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, to me, I think it's a pro because, you know, you got it a mecca book, Jaylin McMillan, who I think I'm really high on that kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he got a test shots and two that's going to develop as well that showed flash as last year for in stepped up in big moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it allows for you to, you know, hopefully have some more open space out there and allow for some of those guys to drag some of that attention over to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then if you think about it, you know, Mike Evans likely came back for another two season because that wider seaver room was really limited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't a whole lot there outside of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and injured and, you know, there was not a lot behind that that you could feel security.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he was like, well, I've probably felt like I needed to come back for the bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I needed to come help that whiter seeer room, you know, there's there's going to be some I think I go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was still chasing the 1000 yards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a little bit more understanding of why he probably wouldn't have tested the reagent market, you know, why risky that by changing came.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So different factor this time around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, there is, you know, it's funny that the timing of this we're getting close to NFL Combine Week, which is practically outside of the NFL owners meetings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually where everybody's there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking scouts, of course, but outside of that, you're got, you got owners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you got general managers, you got all of their assistance, all their front office people are all there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a good time to probably put something out that's saying, hey, yes, Mike Evans will be returning for another season and likely going to be testing free agency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think Caleb this goes?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it was right before free agency began that Mike Evans
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, decided to return and resign with the box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to look that up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it was right before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, free and it's even again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it was.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, he tends to, he's kind of like Levantay David, ask when it comes to this, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they sign a deal early.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they don't have to think about it throughout the rest of free agency and they can already start to begin for the next season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that doesn't seem to be the case here, you know, right, like, I mean, obviously can still happen, um, but from, you know, the reports that we've gotten, it seems like he's actually going to test reagency, which is really, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_02]: if you think about it, yeah, he's been a fridge in the past.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this is really the first time that it's coming out that my Gavid is gonna be able to test his free agent, the free agent market and see what's out there for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, that leaves things open pretty majorly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be a little worried if I was a buck in yours fan, because of that, that's not something you've heard from Mike in the past.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you got to start thinking was what decisions were made following the end of the 2025 season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is played into even him mentioning, you know, that, hey, I might be open to looking at other teams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, what was going on or what, you know, conversation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a kind of game or not have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, he was pissed after that Atlantic game where the defense gave up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that third in 28.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's yelling at leaving the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there was a fourth in 12 to as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was given up by that defense from Todd Bowles and I mean, he was pissed off leaving the tunnel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So one thing like, I mean, that's in the moment, of course.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's in the moment, but there's the decision by the glaciers to retain Bowles.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Does that have an impact?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that everybody loves softballs as a man, but as a coach, does Mike Evans have a lot of trust left in him, like, not sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I want to be with me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard to tell what's going on in Mike's mind.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike's not somebody who's openly talked about anything really, um, throughout his career, um, he, you know, he's kept his personal life pretty tight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's kept, um, anything that's related to football, pretty tight.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He doesn't like to be in front of cameras when he's doing is, um, community work out there in the streets in the city.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's just,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, we're not going to hear anything until a decision is made.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure, well, you know, here's some brumlings like we did with Chris Godwin last year with the Patriots offering 24 million, you know, a year, which is probably another team that I'll take a peek here at, uh, at Mike Evans this time around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I remember asking him, I believe it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was before the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was before I was during some OTAs and man, it was mandatory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: many camp, but I just asked him a simple question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how is your training this off season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said just same shit, different year of same shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not anything to go into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't plan on asking him that again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he's not out here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a whole 180 from some other wide receivers that we know in this league where my goodness gracious, it's drama, drama, drama, drama.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for all the box fans or they love Mike Evans mainly pride for this when he does in the community of course in the player that he is and will help to win them a Super Bowl of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he doesn't stir the pies and not do all this drama stuff but what he is going to do is likely
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[SPEAKER_00]: test and see where he's at and free agency and also to the bucks probably you know wondering too as well where is that market value at for Mike Evans and there are going to be some teams us talk about some of them right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the big one we heard some news this morning that patch of homes that reconstructed his contract clearing up some space there and room because we do know the chiefs are going to go after some playmakers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they do feel like they feel strongly about some of their younger wide receivers there, but they do need an X.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they also don't know where, you know, what the decision yet is for Kelsey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we think that he's going to be coming back, but the chief sir, a big one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got Patrick Mahomes there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Patrick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's coming off that Achilles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was that at ECL?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it at Achilles?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And ECL?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember which one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But one of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Either way, bad season and an injury nonetheless, but the chiefs, I think are one of these.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll go through a few of these and I'll let you give your thoughts on them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got the bills on here, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been one that has been all across all the national outlets.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, we've had all kinds of pieces going out of buckskinday.com from cable and the rest of our staff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, the bills have been listed heavily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't know what the future is looking like with Keon Coleman over there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was some ownership things being said about him, which was absolutely insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But since the departure of likes to find digs, man, they've been looking for a pure wider silver one and their red zone hasn't been the greatest too with Josh Allen the bills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this would of course help that improve that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then it's not on all on the shoulders of Josh Allen and utilize it in his legs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The 49ers is actually really interesting, really interesting because they're certainly in chaos mode, I would say, and freak out mode because they're going to lose IU.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know yet, and it could, you know, John Jennings will see what they want to do there, but he's going to be in free agency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shanna Han has brought in veterans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe those manual Sanders back in 2019.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He likes a veteran presence and they're definitely playing on making a playoff run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Evans certainly could do that for you 100%.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then even maybe the New England Patriots as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they at the Patriots really feel highly and they still have some things to work with, money-wise, of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they got their head coach, they've got the quarterback, they've got some pieces that they certainly need to fix on offensive line and why receiver Mike Evans brings that threat to you and they just went to the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, those are four teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have any more, though, I'm amicaled.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, four solid teams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you look at the Kansas City Chiefs, obviously, you know, all the off-field stuff that is going on with the receive rise.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, he is a much different wide receiver that you like to move him around a lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Xavier worthy is not kind of planned out the way that they had hoped after drafting him and then outside of that The unknown with Kelsey obviously the injury to Patrick Mahomes even with my home's coming back even often injuries It'll gonna be viewed as one of the top quarterbacks in the league.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you get you know a former MVP level quarterback there with you And let's not forget about the chiefs too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They just went back and hired Eric B.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Enemy to come back into this offense after moving on from Matt and Aggie.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So
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[SPEAKER_02]: that offense should kind of return to a little bit what more what you're used to when it comes to the Kansas City Chiefs, and being able to fire on also, and there's, but they have work to do on the offensive line themselves and that wider receiver.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it makes a whole lot of sense for him to go to, you know, them, contending team, ring chasing type deal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Looking at the Patriots same thing, you know, got blown out in the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Unfortunately for them, but They had to run her up who had the MVP this past year in Drake May.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're still Kind of eyeing what they're gonna do and what their decision is gonna be list of fun digs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously he's got, you know, the court stuff going on right now So I don't know if that's gonna play into their decision at all
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know if, you know, they let him, you know, walk a free agency or probably save them a lot of money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But they also need more outside of digs too, and is that is, is bringing in a mic, Evan too is also older on that order end of the spectrum really going to change things for you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe maybe not Josh McDaniels has done a great job with that offense and you know revamping it to what it is, but they definitely need somebody Even if Diggs walks or does stay pop Douglas hasn't been able to get it done and Kishan booty I'll be at you know how to having his moments is not quite the level to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mike Evans The other ones 49ers interesting.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they've got the brand and I think going on, but it doesn't
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see Mike necessarily fitting into a situation with an inside of a shanahan offense, if you will.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not really big on X guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They like to use their versatility in different ways of that nature.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What it helped them absolutely, some special, especially with Kittle going down with his Achilles injury there in the playoff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Brutal there and then what was the other one you said?
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[SPEAKER_02]: one more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bill's chief's picture to think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bill's, uh, the bills.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll be the most throwing around team right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, King on Coleman would it would be a great, you know, mentor for him if you were to go there if Kion is going to remain on the team and not be released that still remains to be seen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but if you're what your wide receiver one in Buffalo is cool, you'll ship here, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Solid guy has played awesome with Josh Allen, but he's not really a true either see everyone this would give you know new head coach Joe Brady who also calls the place for them their legit x y to see everyone Joe Brady loves having a true ex a guy who can go low or high up in the red zone is going to be huge for him for his quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously another former MVP in Josh Allen being able to sing the ball to you, so
19:06
[SPEAKER_02]: The real question there comes down to do you want to go live in Buffalo for portions out of the year that are pretty rough obviously all these teams are going to be able to pay Mike what he is deserving of and some other teams I kind of want to throw in here too that are kind of core not quarterback are wider silver needy or potentially could have the space or look to want him for different reasons you look at the Baltimore Ravens
19:31
[SPEAKER_02]: They're in need of somebody man like I know they've got some good guys and say flowers and Rashad Bateman But those guys are going back to that same, you know type of conversation where it's not necessarily a true water seever one They've been kind of tossed around a little bit when it comes to him
19:48
[SPEAKER_02]: pairing him with Lamar Jackson and other former NFL MVP Mike has shown the ability to be great on you know those off culture plays when they when the you know the play actually breaks apart Baker may feel gets out of the pocket and you have to make you know a play that's in the background or out there on the street Mike Evans has shown over and over again that he's great at being able to do that with his quarterback so pairing him with a guy like Lamar Jackson would kind of elevate that even more for him
20:15
[SPEAKER_02]: Then you've got the Houston Texans.
20:17
[SPEAKER_02]: All these are kind of teams that you can see contenders too, because obviously the ring chase thing comes into play.
20:23
[SPEAKER_02]: Houston Tech and Texans kind of a dark horse candidate because they have a really great defense, but their quarterback play has kind of been sub par with CJ Stroud there.
20:33
[SPEAKER_02]: But then you have in the ties of how close Houston is.
20:36
[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of like a homecoming for Mike going back to Galveston, Texas.
20:40
[SPEAKER_02]: And if you think about their wider silver room,
20:45
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they're wide receiver one.
20:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I forgot his name.
20:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just drawing a plane right now.
20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where he actually had Texan the game day.
20:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my god.
20:59
[SPEAKER_02]: We go Collins.
21:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they got to go as a true number one wide receiver, but outside of him, they really don't have anybody tanked out, obviously dealing with his injuries and then off season after off season,
21:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just able to see what they're doing.
21:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
21:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
21:20
[SPEAKER_02]: You just can't see the field at all.
21:21
[SPEAKER_02]: And they drafted a couple young guys last year.
21:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Jake and Higgins being one of them who's supposed to, you know, start coming on.
21:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I think there was another guy that came on late in the season, especially in the playoffs.
21:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So they're not like extra needy at the wide receiver room, but why not take a shot at Mike Evans to kind of elevate that veteran ship in that offense because most of these guys are younger and kind of helped CJ strow it out.
21:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, some other ones that are kind of worth mentioning, but not really because they're not ring chasing the New York Jets obviously, um, they're gonna need some wider receiver opposite of Garrett Wilson there to help whichever quarterbacks back there for them, whether it's Justin Fields again, maybe they go after Kyra Murray, who knows?
22:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, then you can look at the Tennessee Titans, um, completely overhauled, you know, their front office, um, and why not give, uh,
22:10
[SPEAKER_00]: These are the highly unlikely, by the way, so then we don't get torch in the coming.
22:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I highly unlikely.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But that are going to be needy that are going to send shots and try to talk at the NFL.
22:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And over those steak dinners and say, hey man, come on, you got another three or four years and here you can wait for another rebuild cancer, Mike.
22:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and not necessarily, I mean, the jet's obviously, yes, rebuilt, but there's a tendency to kind of have some pieces, right?
22:35
[SPEAKER_02]: They have a solid defense, and they just need really to get help for camp or, you know, count on really being your literacy or one, and then falling off from there, you don't really know.
22:44
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, your second leading probably receiver or in terms of yardage,
22:49
[SPEAKER_02]: was probably Chico Conquo, who is a tight end that not many people even think about to list, and that's your second leading receiver.
22:56
[SPEAKER_02]: So they definitely need to help with the wider receiver position.
22:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Give Kim, give Kim Ward a nice veteran, wider receiver, a big body guy that can go up and get it when he does need to throw the ball up.
23:06
[SPEAKER_02]: So
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[SPEAKER_02]: a couple of teams there and then the Pittsburgh Steelers, um, obviously they might have earlier and able to get it done by himself.
23:14
[SPEAKER_02]: You can make the case that they're too similar of players, but if you look at the route trees of both of the guys, they're pretty solid.
23:22
[SPEAKER_02]: One can go the middle one can go deep.
23:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it doesn't even really matter and it gives you too big body guys who can also do things with the ball after the catch.
23:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not sure if you would love that, Logan, but just some names to watch out for.
23:34
[SPEAKER_02]: more than likely you're not going to be looking at, you know, the bill's ravens, patriots, and the Kansas City Chiefs are really going to be the big names to watch.
23:45
[SPEAKER_02]: And they should be interested.
23:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Why who wouldn't be interested in in a future hall of favor like my Kevin?
23:50
[SPEAKER_02]: So I would hate for any of these guys to take them away, but the good thing is is that none of the teams that are interested reside in the NFC South, so that would
24:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you have a strong chance here in the F.C.
24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: South to go and win your division and I think it is going to come down to, you know, the family at the end of the day, I think that's what it came down to for this last resigning of my Kevin's in Tampa Bay with his wife and family and I, you know, his kids are homeschooled so that doesn't play a big vital role in everything.
24:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but it's a good amount of months throughout the offseason or throughout the season that you'd have to go up there and take the family for, um, but well, if you're in.
24:32
[SPEAKER_00]: There's money.
24:33
[SPEAKER_02]: They're getting that new stadium.
24:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So it wouldn't be like horrible on game days because they're going to build.
24:38
[SPEAKER_02]: We're tracking bills.
24:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they'll be able to put that retractable roof up, but I mean, when you're not playing in the stadium, probably not the most ideal of conditions.
24:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Chiefs, Chiefs, your outside Patriots, your outside 49ers is just beautiful.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Yadiyada Steelers, going to be cold, but Aaron Rodgers.
24:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's Aaron Rodgers, and he's still show that he can sling it.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure, but they need pieces as being a Pittsburgh Steelers fan.
25:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're they just need pieces and they desperately it's a little bit of a move such a lateral move going from you know to Pittsburgh.
25:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now it would have to be an enormous enormous offer that you just couldn't.
25:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Couldn't withstand a, you know, not take.
25:22
[SPEAKER_02]: You think any of these things are going to grow like a wild number out there.
25:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it's some of these that we listed off, I think, early.
25:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's going to be some that are going to have some wild, wild shots, like for some reason, you know, I think the Patriots are going to be in there because they already tried to go after Chris Godwin.
25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they went after, they offered quite a bit to Chris Godwin and that was, that was already going to be a major risk for them.
25:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Why not do it to the better wider receiver in that room and to someone that, of course, would help Drake may And certainly improve your offense.
26:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I maybe maybe maybe the pages because they can do that achieve seem to be low enough on some things here, but it's going to really Depend heavily on what Kelsey does, which I do think Kelsey's going to come back for one more run with Patrick Mahomes once he comes back from that injury.
26:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But I would say pat to cheese the bills.
26:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,
26:22
[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be swinging everywhere and I think Joe Brady that he wants to keep Keon Coleman there.
26:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he feels like he can fix them and do all that and he's a new head coach.
26:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But the ownership thing, it's done seem great with Keon Coleman and all that, but that's.
26:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You've got a piece, you know, you're going to be writing this later on bucks game a dot com.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you guys want to go check that out, Caleb's going to be over there right in that there will be a deeper dive into this discussion.
26:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think this discussion is going to stop anytime soon because like I said, we will have the NFL combine coming up.
26:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We were there last year and trust me, I can now I know I understand that there is a lot of NFL people and word gets around.
27:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was going to say the dinner is spring that goes on at that.
27:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
27:05
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to hear some things and we're certainly going to hear some things on Mike Evans because this is now with him testing free agency.
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a top five player and this offseason that teams are going to go after because he still has it.
27:18
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.
27:19
[SPEAKER_00]: We sometimes look at veteran wide receivers and they can be someone that would be great for the locker room and they can maybe be, you know,
27:27
[SPEAKER_00]: pretty good in your and your production.
27:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But Mike Evans, he showed when he came back to that Atlanta Falcons game.
27:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He still has it.
27:35
[SPEAKER_00]: That Mofo still has it.
27:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's highly competitive.
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great he's a great leader too.
27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what he could do on the field and his red zone, his red zone threat already is what is going to make teams spend a little bit more of that cash for a guy like him.
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So.
27:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly too, if you feel like you've got the quarterback, and maybe that'll be another article or topic we talk about on the next podcast, but if you already got the quarterback like we've been discussing, like those are the teams that are going to be looking at a guy.
28:07
[SPEAKER_00]: If they need a wider silver one, then that would be it.
28:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot of teams out there that they feel strongly about some of their young quarterbacks that they have.
28:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, let's jump over to, and what like I said, we're going to talk more on this for sure.
28:21
[SPEAKER_00]: But let's go over and talk real quick about Bucky Irving.
28:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't need to spend too much time on this, but it was shared and reported from Joe Bucks fan that Bucky Irving did indeed undergo offseason shoulder surgery.
28:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, this is one that I'm not too much of a shock of either because man that that guy got banged up last season and even came back from that shoulder and lower leg injury as well.
28:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But he's he had to go under go surgery there.
28:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be interested in see how that impact Sam how long his recovery will be We'll probably get we'll certainly get some answers here next week when we do hear from Jason Light and Todd Bowles up there in N.D
29:01
[SPEAKER_00]: but it's something to monitor for sure moving forward.
29:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder to how this impacts the bucks and what they want to do.
29:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And free agency slash NFL draft because you're likely going to be without Rashad Whipe.
29:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And you want to figure out, hey, his bucky Irving going to stay healthy for me for a long period time is a smaller back that was something of a concern when I was coming through the NFL draft.
29:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But he had stayed healthy throughout his playing career, at least all throughout college.
29:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's something certainly now too consider that it's going to have to be on Jason's
29:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Jason Lights-Mine moving forward with Bucky.
29:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we all remember the struggle that Bucky had when he was coming back from the injury.
29:41
[SPEAKER_02]: He was really tough time mentally with it.
29:44
[SPEAKER_02]: Being his first true, you know, serious injury that he's ever suffered in his football career, which can be a battle for some people, especially at this point, right?
29:51
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're young at all, you gone through your whole entire playing career without having anything serious, apathy, and then boom,
29:57
[SPEAKER_02]: you know, you're out for seven weeks, or you miss seven games, or whatever it was.
30:01
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm glad that this is almost done for him.
30:06
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, I'm sure he kind of probably didn't want surgery, considering everything that he went through, but ultimately he is probably the best move.
30:13
[SPEAKER_02]: So shout out, Ira, for being able to break that news over for us at Joe Bucks fan.
30:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's going to impact them all that much.
30:22
[SPEAKER_02]: You saw them at the end of the season.
30:23
[SPEAKER_02]: You kind of had that brace sling thing on a shoulder to kind of help it and keep it where it needs to be.
30:29
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure there's a little bit of pain and also that anyways, no matter what, but hopefully that this surgery is kind of taken care of that.
30:36
[SPEAKER_02]: The Buccaneers desperately need Bucky Irving to be healthy, no matter who they decided to bring in, whether via free agency or the NFL draft.
30:44
[SPEAKER_02]: We've talked about Jerry and my love and the past and guys like Brian Robinson Jr. or Kenneth Walker, the third who is looking like he's heading towards free agency after reports came out that they do not plan on franchise tagging him.
30:57
[SPEAKER_02]: Another guy that's going to be an option out there, Tyler Routgears, another name to know especially with the relationship coming from Zach Robinson from their time in Atlanta.
31:05
[SPEAKER_02]: So the bugging ears are going to be sure to get this room right, excuse me, and I'm sure they're going to get a guy who has proven production in this league.
31:16
[SPEAKER_02]: to be able to kind of be that one-two punch that you had with Rashad White and Sean Tucker.
31:20
[SPEAKER_02]: Now to what level, I think this is kind of going to even out the snaps a little bit more.
31:25
[SPEAKER_02]: You're not going to see as much bucky.
31:28
[SPEAKER_02]: This much you're not going to see him in that workhorse role that Josh Grissard kind of had him in where he was running him nearly 20 times a game.
31:35
[SPEAKER_02]: You'll see him utilize more so little passing game.
31:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe his brushes go down a little bit.
31:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Give that RB2 a little bit more of that run, which is good.
31:43
[SPEAKER_02]: That boads well for him staying healthy throughout the season because when you do have an uh, uh, healthy bucky Irving, you have one of the most explosive and one of the most electrifying, you know, players in this entire league and he really makes the offense that much more hard front to watch.
31:58
[SPEAKER_02]: They offense that much more in a consistent rhythm.
32:02
[SPEAKER_02]: It allows him to do so much more and it probably provides a spark to these guys too.
32:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you've seen when Baker may feel
32:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, just being a guy who loves ball in Bucky Irving, just making sure he's getting past this and they're doing everything he can and his rehab process from the, from the surgery will be key in maintaining, you know, his, his mental fortitude throughout that as well.
32:24
[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, happy that it's done, happy that it'll soon be over for Bucky and he'll be able to turn his attention to this upcoming season.
32:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Before we get out of here too and just a few will go through some of these comments that you guys have and some questions, but let's keep moving here some more news as the box desperately when we're talking about some needs the box need pass rush they need help there they thought that they had it with Hassan redic but that was a fail this last season don't have redic coming back for next season or we're expecting so what are they going to do this off season once again feel like we talked about this it's been three years now three plus years where the box need
33:00
[SPEAKER_00]: help after, you know, they're Super Bowl run in the success of the Hadoa Shack Barrett and JPP.
33:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, here's a deal, Bradley Chubbe, just got released from the Miami Dolphins.
33:10
[SPEAKER_00]: this week, the dolphins are making a big purchase of the roster they're doing a whole reset there as expected and Chub is one of those guys.
33:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about some stats of him in 2025.
33:21
[SPEAKER_00]: He played in all 17 games, which is one thing that I think is worth noting because throughout his career he's dealt with injuries.
33:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a healthy season for him.
33:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Being able to be available all throughout, we saw him face off against Baker mayfield in that offense down in Miami.
33:34
[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't pretty.
33:35
[SPEAKER_00]: He got back there a few times.
33:36
[SPEAKER_00]: so he's still he's still got some strong play in him but he is a veteran player 47 total tackles last season 24 solos yet eight and a half sacks which uh yai yai diabi had seven sacks last season so a sack and a half more on that any at two forced fumbles compared to yai yaws one force fumble
33:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I had a bummer recovery and also to, you had no passes defense, don't worry about that as much, but he's one that still showed that he can play.
34:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, now I ask you, Caleb, so I was just reading those stats.
34:14
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a very similar to Yadiyabi.
34:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're almost, they're almost identical.
34:19
[SPEAKER_00]: They're almost identical to one another.
34:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Is this the move that you make for the box if you can't go after and you can't get a tray Hendrickson you can't get a max cross be.
34:29
[SPEAKER_00]: If going after a guy like Bradley chub does that Change the game for you on the other side if you're completely fine with maybe get another yai yai Diabi on the other side and that takes you to the level that you want or do you still feel like you need to have someone of a different Caliber of a Bradley chub in that upper tier of a tray Hendrickson max cross being whoever else might be available
34:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it would have been nice to have 15 and a half sacks from our edges last year, wouldn't it?
34:55
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that'd be nice.
34:57
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I think so, you know, what am I great?
35:01
[SPEAKER_02]: Or at least our two starting edges.
35:05
[SPEAKER_02]: It's interesting because I've written about this.
35:08
[SPEAKER_02]: I've covered and reported on a lot of these edge rushers, past rushers, whatever you wanna call them over the past couple of weeks.
35:17
[SPEAKER_02]: And the same thing I keep coming back to is, I don't think one guy is gonna fix this problem, right?
35:23
[SPEAKER_02]: I keep coming back to the fact that the buck and years are gonna need to, like you get one via trade with Max Crosby or you get one in free agency, a veteran guy, and then you also go get one
35:35
[SPEAKER_02]: like it's that desperate of a need right now for Tampa Bay that it has to happen and I know we haven't seen what David Walker can do and I expect him to be a huge contributor but when you see you know what's behind them yeah anything you know some makes makes big plays but you know other than that not not huge production wise and then you look
35:55
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Logan Hawking kind of play outside, but he kind of switches.
35:58
[SPEAKER_02]: He kind of is more of a run stopping type of guy instead of a patch rusher and then Chris Braswell has not developed into the player that the buck and ears had thought or I mean who else would have thought that but.
36:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, nobody had our work questioning.
36:14
[SPEAKER_00]: We were all questioning.
36:15
[SPEAKER_00]: When they were already at almost of a desperate need, not as bad as is now, but they were of a major need of a past rush, a media pass rush, not something you're in developed for two to three years.
36:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you've had time, you've got three years to do that.
36:27
[SPEAKER_00]: That has not came too for a mission for you.
36:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Right, so really you're getting your production from Yaya Diabi and you know some some scrub, they're not scrubs by the guys who are yeah and even even cancels and via on the inside, right?
36:42
[SPEAKER_02]: So you're getting guys who excuse my language, I didn't mean to say scrubs, but you know guys who aren't necessarily starting material.
36:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, the Hassan Redic situation obviously did not work out, but this is another high risk high reward situation.
36:54
[SPEAKER_02]: If you ask me not as closely to the Hassan Redic, but still because you're still looking at, um, the injury history with Chobuany tour his ACL last year in 2024 missed a whole season.
37:08
[SPEAKER_02]: And then you obviously have to worry about the age, but again, if you're going to bring in a better and you're going to get a guy that's 29, 30, 31 years old at this position right now.
37:17
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's going to be some younger guys, 27 years old or so that are out there.
37:21
[SPEAKER_02]: But really the guys who are at the top of most of the rankings for ad structures, this this free agent market.
37:27
[SPEAKER_02]: are kind of around that age.
37:28
[SPEAKER_02]: So go get one of these veteran guys.
37:30
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Bradley Chob would be would be fine.
37:32
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, when you go out and get these guys, how are you going to rotate them in and out?
37:37
[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to be the fun part.
37:38
[SPEAKER_02]: But that's a good problem to have.
37:39
[SPEAKER_02]: And it's a lot better problem than you not being able to generate pressures or sex.
37:43
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, so yeah, I mean, if you're able to get him a deal, um, like on a good short term, probably incentive heavy deal, um, it would be great because you don't want to take up too much cap space for other areas to be able to create a contending team because you got to look at the whole roster as a whole too and do like how what's the best way we can build this contender, especially if we want guys like Mike Evans to come back if we want Levante David to decide not to retire.
38:07
[SPEAKER_02]: things of that nature.
38:08
[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to draw in free agents, you've got to be able to have these things going in.
38:13
[SPEAKER_02]: But again, he led the dolphins in sacks in 2023.
38:17
[SPEAKER_02]: He led the dolphins in sacks in 2025.
38:20
[SPEAKER_02]: That's even with Jalen a guy like, you know, some of some of their other guys were pretty solid.
38:24
[SPEAKER_02]: They're too, they let Jalen go out.
38:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Go or release them or whatever.
38:29
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I mean, it's a solid line, um, there's some guys out there that are veterans.
38:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I can still compete.
38:37
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you look at Shack Barrett at the end of his career.
38:39
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was kind of a backup all the time in Denver, um, backing up guys like Vaughn Miller and whatnot there before coming over to the box and, you know, setting the league on fire with the sack totals, um, becoming a record at one point.
38:51
[SPEAKER_02]: So, I
38:52
[SPEAKER_02]: You could look at guys like that and there's a guidance in Seattle.
38:55
[SPEAKER_02]: That's in a similar situation as well.
38:57
[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll speak, you know, further on some of these free agent targets per say, next week and our next week's episode with you guys.
39:04
[SPEAKER_02]: But I wouldn't mind it.
39:05
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Bradley Chem is a great player.
39:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he has a very good strong bull rush.
39:10
[SPEAKER_02]: He's kind of that perfect combination of speed, mixed with power.
39:15
[SPEAKER_02]: When you look at an edged rush or that's what you want.
39:17
[SPEAKER_02]: A guy that can utilize multiple moves.
39:19
[SPEAKER_02]: I like it.
39:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it would be a solid piece, but I don't think it's the only piece that you need.
39:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll keep it simple, pros and cons here.
39:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like a Max Crosby situation.
39:29
[SPEAKER_00]: You trade.
39:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to give up some major draft picks for yourself.
39:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Something that Jason lied to absolutely doesn't like doing at all whatsoever.
39:36
[SPEAKER_00]: But would cost you in that kind of realm of course.
39:40
[SPEAKER_00]: But then, you know, but it is just money.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: This would be just money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this would be where, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you know, this depends on what the market value is going to be if it's going to be higher than that kind of is that's a risky move for yourself, but there's there's the max cross we think that's a different type of tier because you do have to it's a trade so you're going to have to either give up maybe some of your personnel so I'm your draft picks some of your future with that to hope for an immediate impact guy that is that tier of a trade hindricks and and cross be but then to one thing that meant to know
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chub, he's had injury, woes, three A.C.L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: tears throughout his playing career, which is rough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He missed the entire 24 season as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And imagine if you go through that situation where you grab him and something happens there on that end, then you're back to kind of square one outside of whatever you do, and then I fell draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one thing to monitor there with him, and it's also gonna just gonna depend on
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll help you that man, if you think about it too, he's immediately available to sign wherever he wants.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like teams can contact him right now, teams can kind of put together deals, like, hey, this is kind of what we're thinking for you, you know, if you're ready to go, if the buck and ears want to go ahead and knock this out and get this portion done, which
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[SPEAKER_02]: then do it, you know, like I don't know if any of these other guys try Hendrix and it's kind of his last year to not go like this previous three seasons or so and who knows if any of these other guys are really going to play out or fit what you want to do on a defensive side of the ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At least you know this is a fit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: At least you know that it's one chess piece that you'll be able to use.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but it kind of depends on what that contract will look like, you know, it's, um, if the other performs gets hurt, then there's your risk, right, and you're kind of falling back into the same thing as Logan mentioned back the square one, but that's the thing with going and getting out another guy here in the NFL draft and hopefully David Walker is able to have fully recovered from that rehab injury and kind of step in and maybe they even see him as a,
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[SPEAKER_02]: as a potential, you know, as a pass-rush or add-rush or number one there, and then you can kind of just bring in a guy spottingly, like a Cleo Mac, who is really at the end of his career, not really producing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, depending on the contract, but I think it's not a bad decision.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a way better decision than bringing in a son, redic.
42:04
[SPEAKER_02]: We had, you know, mentioned that the buckiniers and
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bradley Chob had had, you know, kind of a link beforehand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think maybe early early in the season as a potential trade target for the book and yours.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So they've been mentioned together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't I would expect them to at least give them a call check NC.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you even interested in coming to Tampa?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not that far from Miami.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You still have, you know, the state income tax, you know, you're still in a tropical area.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You get all these, you know,
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[SPEAKER_02]: great things by being in Tampa.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you want to end your career here, we're going to be fine with that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe two to three year deal heavily incentive base and go from there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's how you start off those conversations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But we're not being that at all with the Bradley Chub coming in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was a piece out here from CBS Sports, a couple of days ago from Jared Dubin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He listed out some teams watch out for four chub, the Indianaapolis Colts, Carolina Panthers, Chicago Bears, Dallas Cowboys, Tennessee Titans at the very end, the Tampa Bay, Buck and Nears, they said the bucks tried to juice up their pass rush last season by adding
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[SPEAKER_00]: who has been at least productive more recently, then Reddit, who has come off a lost season in New York, Philadelphia, when Tempet did sign him talking about Reddit and such.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So something to monitor there, but like I said, and like you said, too, Kate, we're gonna run a podcast show next week, really going into a deep dive into free agency.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna talk some chub, we're gonna talk some other past pressures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will talk Max Crosby, Tray Hendrix, and what you have to give up what that would look like for the box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: also to attrition from the box, you know, or shot white, where could he likely go to, you know, also to, of course, when talks to Mike Evans and free agency and what that might do for what the bucks plans might want to do in the lighter seaver room, this offseason if they want to just solidify and feel good with what they have at the Mechag Boota.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jailmic Millen and Chris Gottlin, like they feel fine there, what Tess Johnson and Mother Young are guys too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, we'll have a deep dive into that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should be a really good show too, and where we get River Wells back from Japan.
44:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Let me go through a few of these comments, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is from Joanne.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Say, and it would be such a loss of Mike Evans left the box.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's such a great player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I fully agree with you there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jacob saying, if Mike walks, we can blend the glazers for keeping Todd bowls and just treading water.
44:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've seen that all over social media and Twitter the last 24 hours since this news has broke.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is from Smith Seminole, going all's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's saying, I'd be bummed if Mike left, but I think the long-term the bucks are okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not sure what they should do at Titan, not a big fan of cotton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You go all in for Crosby, maybe go for Chubs and Hendrix.
44:52
[SPEAKER_00]: We will be talking all about that next week because I forgot to mention Osu to K to Otton.
44:56
[SPEAKER_00]: What are the bucks gonna do?
44:58
[SPEAKER_00]: What they're tied in position.
44:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I think both you and I, Caleb, aren't the highest on this Titan room, going into 2026.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and certainly could do better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got Zach Robinson, who played with a versatile tight-and-cow pit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You would like to see more consistency from him, but that does spark up a name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Certainly when offensive coordinator comes to pretty different over here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No franchise tag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably.
45:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll see what this last one is here.
45:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever happened to the PR campaign, so it's coming from Paul, whatever happened to the PR campaign that Mike Evans ran on his last contract and he goes, she's very said, make Mike Evans a buck for life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're here, we're doing the same thing all over again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that this one, it seems different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems, seems a little, definitely seems different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, I mean, at that point,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he was kind of teetering on that edge, but once he got that last 1000 yard season right like that was pretty much the buck for life moment for for my ovens right so he's always going to be a Tampa Bay book in here no matter if he leaves or no matter if he doesn't get more in sap look at John Lynch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that he's going to go in a page where it comes down to the box, but that he just not have an 80 foot statue built up and saying he's right for life, but that's kind of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can say I hatred from the box fan base, I don't think they'll certainly be let down sad, emotional, absolutely a hundred percent, but it's not, it's not going to be any hatred for my evidence from the box community.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I get there's two different ways to interpret the phrase book for life, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you can interpret it the way of the Levante David book for life where he is never going to play for any other team or you could look at it as this guy is accomplished so much during his tenure with the book and ears that he is viewed as that type of player before he ends up on a different team, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But it can be true, but two different interpretations of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that still remains to be seen right we're not going to know that until my science is next contract and then at that point then you're probably going to be another assumption, you know, either it's the levante David book for life or it's, you know, thank you for everything you've done we wish you all at your next chapter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, congratulations and, you know, hopefully when you are deciding to hang it up, you come sign a tentative and not a tentative, you know, a contract or whatever period of month of time to retire a tentative, maybe I can hear.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can get why it it makes fans a little bit frustrated.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But again, it's different last time he was going out to get to Tijeri Rice's record.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Still Super Bowl Chase this time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not doing that that record's broken.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe now is the prime opportunity for him to explore his options.
47:58
[SPEAKER_02]: And I can't fall in for that at all if he can go out there and make more money to end his career and possibly win another Super Bowl ring.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Then all be it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want one's best for Mike
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd be thrilled, but if that's, if it's elsewhere, then, you know, that's what it is as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I wish from the best, and it is next stop because I'm a Mike Evans fan first and foremost, you know, and then we'll go from there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're here again, but that's kind of how it is with with these contracts when you're talking about a buck for life, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they're the one two year deals that you see pop up with guys near the end of their career.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I wouldn't have it any other way to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather have a guy like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then then a lot of these other types of players that we see in today's game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was just saying I ended with this at least, you know, nobody, none of your rivals can grab them.
48:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'm going to end your rivals because they say no, he definitely won't go to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to go, it's going to be New Orleans is not going to go to New Orleans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That should be an article top five NFL teams Mike I'm even Okay, I'm not just you just do like the top three new world in Saints the Saints and Nola I know that CJ JJ is not there anymore, and I know that you know Marshaan is not there anymore, but Mike just has this year in hatred Pretty sure if he sees someone walking down the road
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[SPEAKER_00]: he sees someone wearing silver and black.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just automatically like is in disgust.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like mumbles under his breath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we see how I'll fire him, you know, Baker gets with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's fresh into these rivalries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My Kevin does my guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been like, my he's got to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He gets like an edge every time he sees a saint's bed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's just like, he's got to, he's got to run after them and just deco.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's spoken with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He spoke with us at the 50th Anniversary and at the film at the theater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that whole TV series that they released are documentary that they released.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that had a really good sit down and it would be for like 30 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like raw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was rated R, full on Mike Evans, just saying whatever the hell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, he spoke about his rivalries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he does not like any of them, but certainly the Saints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say everything on here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to keep a PG for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it doesn't like the Saints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know a lot of you bucks fans don't as well.
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