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1-800-1840: Everything you never wanted to know about queen victoria's wedding · 1-800-1800

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ring ring oh my god hello you were just gonna start i could
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tell you're gonna start
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without me doing no i was like kind of trying to remember again
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who did it do it
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proper volume okay ring ring hello is this 1840 this is she are
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those wedding bells
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SPEAKER_01: i hear in the background
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I want to figure out how to play our theme song and merge it
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with wedding bells.
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SPEAKER_00: Hello.
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SPEAKER_00: So welcome to 1-800-1800 or I should say 1-800-1840 today.
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SPEAKER_00: The podcast brought to you by Mandy Lyon Press.
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A press that specializes in 19th century novels written by
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women and weirdos for today's
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world my name is force for today's readers my name is Mabel my
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name is Madeline and
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we started Mandy Lion Press and we're the hosts of 1-800-1800
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and today is about to
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be the best day of your life I can't wait I can't wait either
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it's already the best
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day of my life I had 10 apricots and four slices of pizza
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already today it's not
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even noon I've had like eight danishes seven pieces of pizza a
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banana and two
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SPEAKER_00: apricots it's awesome one and a half apricots
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SPEAKER_00: Madeline, did you learn anything this week?
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SPEAKER_01: I did.
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SPEAKER_01: Tell me.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay,
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SPEAKER_01: so as listeners may or may not know,
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SPEAKER_01: Mabel has a Thomas Gainsborough reproduction kind of in her house.
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So I learned something fun about Thomas Gainsborough that I
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thought might interest
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SPEAKER_01: you this week.
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SPEAKER_01: I can't wait.
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SPEAKER_01: Thomas Gainsborough is a famous landscape painter.
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SPEAKER_01: But as some of you may or may not know,
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plein air painting where you paint actually outside of a
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landscape was not
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SPEAKER_01: popularized until maybe 60 years after Gainsborough stopped painting.
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SPEAKER_01: So how did he paint his scenes?
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SPEAKER_01: Did he go outside?
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SPEAKER_01: Well,
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SPEAKER_01: he went outside,
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but then he would go back inside to his studio and recreate the
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landscape on a
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SPEAKER_01: tabletop model using like sand.
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And he would use mirrors for the water and the sky and like
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moss as the hills.
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SPEAKER_01: And he would build miniatures of the landscape he wanted to paint.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's how he painted his landscapes.
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SPEAKER_01: That seems so crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: Did you not know that?
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SPEAKER_01: No.
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And Maisonnier,
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who's like a French landscape and history painter,
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would do a similar thing.
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And he would build like life-size models with like he painted
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like Napoleonic expeditions.
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And he would use his own horses and like tie them in weird ways
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so that they would
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SPEAKER_01: stay in position.
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SPEAKER_01: And he would put like salt all over the ground to replicate snow.
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SPEAKER_01: What did Turner do?
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i don't know no turner turner painted it from life that was
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like one of the things
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that was his revolutionary turner yeah and that's why he his
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paintings are so much
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more like atmospheric wow that's very interesting it just seems
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um like a waste of
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time to rebuild the landscape when you could just bring your
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paints outside but but
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SPEAKER_00: do you want to know something else interesting
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is related.
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SPEAKER_01: I wasn't planning on telling you this,
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but it was really hard to bring your paints outside because
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metal tubes for paints
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SPEAKER_01: weren't invented until like the 1840s.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So before that, artists kept their paints in pig's bladders.
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_01: And those don't travel that well.
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SPEAKER_00: No, they could burst it at any moment.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh my God.
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I feel like I've heard about the metal tube thing being kind of
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elite invention.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it was huge.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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SPEAKER_00: I guess paint was just also like portable easels,
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SPEAKER_01: like didn't get invented until the 19th century.
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SPEAKER_00: Like a piece of wood.
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SPEAKER_01: No, it's not.
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It's hard to get,
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especially think about the scale of a Gainsborough painting.
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SPEAKER_01: It's really hard to like, how would you set that up outside?
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SPEAKER_01: Well,
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SPEAKER_00: actually,
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SPEAKER_00: do you know that my copy of the Mr.
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SPEAKER_00: and Mrs.
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SPEAKER_00: Andrews is like way,
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SPEAKER_00: way,
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SPEAKER_00: way bigger than the original.
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SPEAKER_00: We've seen the original.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like actually like one foot by two feet.
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I think he could have carried it,
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but maybe it wasn't stretched or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: But fascinating.
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SPEAKER_00: That's my fact.
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SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: You can call it into question.
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SPEAKER_01: You can say it's stupid, but that's my fact.
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SPEAKER_00: And she's sticking with it.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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on the clock that was about 20 seconds it took madeline to
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remember to ask me i
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learned two little things and i'm going to tell you two little
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things okay one you
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already know i didn't know until like 10 minutes ago because it
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just happened to
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both of us madeline and i both just met a dog named mabel oh
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yeah and that's always
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weird that happens to me all the time i'll hear someone go
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mabel mabel and then i'm
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like what and they're talking to a dog which probably doesn't
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happen to you that
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SPEAKER_00: often i guess
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SPEAKER_01: That people are calling a dog named Mabel?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: Does anyone ever go, Madeline, Madeline?
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SPEAKER_01: And they're talking to a dog?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: No, that's never happened to me once in my life.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_01: Madeline's not really a dog's name.
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SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: But Mabel really is a dog's name.
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SPEAKER_00: It's too many syllables.
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SPEAKER_00: Madeline.
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SPEAKER_00: They run up on each other.
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SPEAKER_00: Run up on each other.
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SPEAKER_00: Mabel is a dog's name.
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SPEAKER_00: We just met a dog named Mabel.
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SPEAKER_00: Mabel, I wasn't like totally enthused with.
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SPEAKER_01: She was sweet.
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SPEAKER_01: She was skittish.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And she was like kind of a sort of maybe lab, white lab mix or something.
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SPEAKER_00: What's a white lab?
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SPEAKER_00: A white lab is a black lab that's white.
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SPEAKER_00: That doesn't exist.
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SPEAKER_00: There is total... Oh, yellow lab?
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SPEAKER_00: Is that what it's called?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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yellow lab you're right white lab is what i like to call it um
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okay so she's a
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yellow lab ish looking dog 12 years old wasn't totally like
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connecting with her and
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then this other dog comes over i think that you're afraid to
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look into your own
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future you don't like her because she's old and white i'm young
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and okay address
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SPEAKER_01: the fact that one day you too will be an old white maple
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SPEAKER_00: What is 12 in dog years?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's human years, 12.
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SPEAKER_00: So what is she?
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SPEAKER_00: She's really old.
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SPEAKER_00: I hope I look as good as her.
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SPEAKER_00: I hope so, too.
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SPEAKER_00: Then this other dog comes over to Mabel.
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SPEAKER_00: A Vizsla.
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SPEAKER_00: A beautiful Vizsla.
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SPEAKER_00: Who happened to have a pair of... Balls.
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SPEAKER_00: Testicles.
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SPEAKER_00: And then Mabel's owner goes, oh my God, Mabel loves intact dogs.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, she's spayed and all, but she loves intact dogs.
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SPEAKER_00: I say to Madeline, what the hell is an intact dog?
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SPEAKER_00: I explained it.
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SPEAKER_00: And I'm horrified to have learned this.
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SPEAKER_01: Really?
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SPEAKER_00: I never knew you called that.
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SPEAKER_00: I just thought you called that like a dog that wasn't neutered.
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that's a mouthful yeah intact no pun intended okay so that's
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one thing i learned um
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and then the other thing i learned because i was talking to
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someone who's a lawyer
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did you know that the way that judges are picked for a case at
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least in manhattan
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is that there's like a huge wheel and all their names are in it
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and they pick out
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SPEAKER_00: the name of not possible i swear
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SPEAKER_01: This is how I wanted us to pick the years.
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SPEAKER_01: I know this podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a judge wheel.
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So it's like a,
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basically a bingo ball machine,
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but inside is like all the names of the judges.
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SPEAKER_00: And then someone pulls it out to pick.
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SPEAKER_00: So like the judge thinks that that's rife for corruption.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: No, I feel like it's kind of more fair.
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SPEAKER_00: I trust that more than like an automatic generator or whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: So we should get a bingo ball machine to do the episodes.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: But on that topic, do you want to know how we chose the year 1840?
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SPEAKER_00: So to explain to people,
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SPEAKER_00: usually we choose a year because we'll just ask Siri,
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SPEAKER_00: like choose a number between zero and 100.
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or like if Madeline or I really wants to do a year we'll do a
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year but mostly it's
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random and but this time we were on a zoom call with our friend
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Emily who also is
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SPEAKER_00: the designer of our books and we said Emily because Emily's a huge fan of
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1-800-1800 she's one of our listeners she's one of our biggest
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listeners and shout
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out Emily this episode goes out to her because she said 40 yeah
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we asked her to
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SPEAKER_01: pick a random number and she said 40
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SPEAKER_00: And so I said, OK, I'll do 1840.
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SPEAKER_00: I googled 1840.
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SPEAKER_00: And guess what happened in 1840?
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SPEAKER_00: The royal wedding.
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SPEAKER_00: That was hard to understand.
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SPEAKER_00: The royal wedding.
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of queen victoria to prince albert and the funny beautiful
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adorable little thing is
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that emily is getting married uh in a couple weeks which will
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probably be before
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this podcast comes out she's marrying our friend heddo who made
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the theme song of
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our podcast we play it again yeah entirety right now go i have
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a burning question
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SPEAKER_00: 1-800
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we just played it again.
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And it's just,
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you know,
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Emily and Hedo are in the room with us right now.
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SPEAKER_00: And I can't wait for them to hear this.
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SPEAKER_00: It doesn't really go any further into discussing them.
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But,
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you know,
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it's a wedding themed episode as a present for their wedding.
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yeah i'm of course not invited we're gonna have to cut that out
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but madeline will
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be there i'll be all about it i'll get them a real present too
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but this could be
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mabel's present since she wasn't invited yeah i don't really
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have to like go the
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SPEAKER_00: extra mile okay so that's the why of why we're doing this
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SPEAKER_00: And basically,
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I was so excited to talk about weddings that I did not look up
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anything else that
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SPEAKER_00: happened in 1840.
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SPEAKER_00: I have no idea what happened.
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I spent most of this research prep just learning more about
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Queen Victoria.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like you can just never learn enough about her.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a multifaceted woman.
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SPEAKER_00: She lived for a really long time and she did a lot of stuff.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So before I get into the wedding,
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SPEAKER_00: which happened on February 10th,
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SPEAKER_00: 1840,
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SPEAKER_00: I want to go back to the beginning.
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SPEAKER_00: And this is, you know, a story that defined a century.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: And I want to start by,
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I'm going to show you a lot of images and we'll show them to
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our friends on the pod
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SPEAKER_00: via video soon.
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SPEAKER_00: So just tell the story of Queen Victoria's life.
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I want to start by showing you this painting of her by Steven
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Pince Denning.
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SPEAKER_00: For those who are listening and can't see,
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SPEAKER_00: imagine the tiniest and yet largest little girl you've ever seen.
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SPEAKER_00: She looks like an ostrich egg.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's wearing, she's covered in ostrich feathers, basically.
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So Queen Victoria was basically in mourning before she was even
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born because her
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SPEAKER_00: father died when she was an infant,
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SPEAKER_00: when she was one years old.
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SPEAKER_00: And so she grew up wearing all black,
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which is kind of interesting because she later was famed for
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mourning her husband
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SPEAKER_00: for 40 years.
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SPEAKER_00: Like she wore black for 40 years.
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but she also was a baby wearing black and in this portrait
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she's like kind of looks
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like if you made a baby huge and then the baby was like
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stomping across the earth
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because kind of the entire landscape speaking of landscape
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painting is like in
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minieta yeah it's like dwarfed behind her she's wearing a
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beautiful little black
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silky coat with fur cuffs and fur sort of stole you just kind
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of want to take a
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bite out of her yeah she looks adorable she's wearing one black
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glove and holding
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the other and there's a rose that's on the ground that she's
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like dropped in grief
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and you know what else is kind of interesting about it is like
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very often when you
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see royal portraits of children they're not cute i think she
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looks pretty cute here
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don't you yeah i feel like there's something cooking with
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cuteness in this yeah
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SPEAKER_01: like
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SPEAKER_00: This is her at the age of four.
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SPEAKER_00: I forgot to say that.
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SPEAKER_01: She looks sad and adorable.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of like the context.
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SPEAKER_00: That's what happens.
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SPEAKER_00: But she's born on May 24th, 1819.
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SPEAKER_00: She's the daughter of Prince Edward,
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the Duke of Kent and Stratham and Princess Victoire of
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Saxe-Coburg-Salfeld.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a German gal.
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SPEAKER_00: She's a German gal.
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um victoria's father obviously died when she was one but she's
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the granddaughter of
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king george the third um was he still the king yeah when she
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was born because her
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dad was like the fourth son oh i see um and so how i'll get
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there you'll get there
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i'm gonna explain it's very i mean most of this episode's about
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like how queen
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victoria became queen victoria yeah but before i talk about
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sort of the succession
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SPEAKER_00: of the royal family i want to tell you a fun fact which is disgusting
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SPEAKER_00: Which is disgusting.
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Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were born a couple weeks apart
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and their births
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SPEAKER_00: were assisted by the same midwife.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not gross to me.
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SPEAKER_00: I think that's sort of cute.
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SPEAKER_01: But they're also first cousins.
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that's more gross so it's like not only are they first cousins
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it would be crazy if
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that's how you had told me they like had the same mom like
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their births were done
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by the same woman yeah the same woman labored but i think
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that's sweet like if you
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were married to someone who's born in the same hospital that's
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adorable yeah so but
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it's actually interesting the woman who was the midwife was
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named charlotte von
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siebold and she was the a german physician who was who's kind
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of regarded as the
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SPEAKER_00: first female gynecologist in germany
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slash first gynecologist period but follow-up question yep
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midwives what about him
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like historically wasn't oh yeah but i think she like also went
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to medical school
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like she kind of became a more professional doctor in some way
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okay okay so
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victoria's grandfather george is known as the mad king mad king
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george oh mad king
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SPEAKER_00: george yeah that's her grandpa george the third oh
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SPEAKER_00: And so basically he was like a normal guy.
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SPEAKER_00: He had like syphilis, right?
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SPEAKER_00: They think he either had syphilis or bipolar or peripheria.
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SPEAKER_00: What's that?
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SPEAKER_00: Which is a disease where the porphyrins in your body build up.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, the porphyrins.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't really know.
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SPEAKER_00: And they start attacking your body.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Where are your porphyrins?
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SPEAKER_00: It's like a...
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little thing okay it's a tiny tiny little thing um and it can
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make you mad and i
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just was laughing because i was googling king george iii and
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his disease and
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whatever and you know like google has like ai recommended
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questions that you should
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ask with the ai generated answers it was like one of them was
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does prince william
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SPEAKER_00: have peripheria
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And the AI overview answer is no,
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the current Prince William does not have peripheria.
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SPEAKER_00: The Prince William who had peripheria,
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like not saying that right,
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SPEAKER_00: was Prince William of Gloucester,
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SPEAKER_00: a cousin of Queen Elizabeth II.
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SPEAKER_00: It's just like you create and then and that guy died in a plane crash.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's just kind of driving the plane, driving the plane.
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SPEAKER_01: Isn't that what you say?
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SPEAKER_00: Flying it?
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, he was flying the plane.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_00: I just thought that was kind of funny.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe his porphyry is clogged up so much that he crashed his plane.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, totally.
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SPEAKER_01: You don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
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SPEAKER_01: You can't know what one's porphyries do.
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SPEAKER_00: I have no idea what they do for me.
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um it's impossible to say and so i guess we don't we don't
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really know why george
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the third was mad but he was mad so he was like kind of manic
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depressive and he his
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mania was like really intense and he would i think i've said
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this on the podcast
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before because i've like read about this before but he was so
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manic that he would
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like stop not stop talking like he would just talk endlessly
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and so he would talk
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so much that he would start foaming from the mouth and i'm
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surprised that's never
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SPEAKER_00: happened to us
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that like has happened to me yeah um he did you watch six feet
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under no move on
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okay so he also would write really long sentences because he
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was still writing
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letters when he was manic and so researchers have been able to
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compare letters he
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wrote in periods of mania versus periods when he was down and
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like when he was
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SPEAKER_00: manic his sentences were um about like 400 words long um
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that's also how i write you and george the third have a lot in
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common yeah um and
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so when he was getting crazier and crazier they basically
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created a regency so one
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of his sons i think was made regent it wasn't or charlotte was
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mean charlotte yeah
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SPEAKER_01: i mean basically that what bridgerton is about yeah
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like but is that real it is real okay because i think queen
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charlotte had unusual
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power i was kind of confused about this but it says in 1810
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when he relapsed like
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yet again into mental illness his eldest son was named prince
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regent okay um but i
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do think queen charlotte like didn't have a husband effectively
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but they had so
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many kids they had 15 kids well people with bipolar sort of
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famously good in bed
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no bad at using any sort of restraint um but his reign was
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marked by his brain it's
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SPEAKER_01: a famously sexy disease
17:03
kind of it it is that's why i was gonna ask about six feet
17:05
under billy is one of
17:07
the characters has bipolar and is really hot oh he's played by
17:12
the kind of like bad
17:13
dude from clueless the bad dude from clueless yeah which guy
17:18
the guy who's mean to
17:20
SPEAKER_01: tie
17:21
can't picture him he's the one who like dangles her over the
17:24
balcony he's like
17:25
curly hair yeah it's coming back to me yeah um george's reign
17:30
was marked not only
17:31
by his mental illness but also by like many military conflicts
17:34
like he's the one
17:35
who lost the 13 north american colonies he did that yeah that
17:39
was the king who they
17:40
SPEAKER_00: were all revolting against
17:42
SPEAKER_01: Wait, what?
17:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:45
SPEAKER_00: Am I stupid?
17:47
SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
17:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
17:49
SPEAKER_01: King George.
17:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
17:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:51
SPEAKER_00: Isn't that so interesting?
17:53
SPEAKER_01: Like in Hamilton.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
17:55
SPEAKER_00: He was crazy King George.
17:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:58
SPEAKER_00: And then like later once he was a regent.
18:00
SPEAKER_01: I feel stupid right now.
18:02
SPEAKER_01: I don't think you're stupid.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
18:04
SPEAKER_00: Like also like Waterloo happened under King George.
18:08
SPEAKER_00: Waterloo, of course.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
18:11
so where was waterloo in belgium yeah yeah um so i knew that
18:17
because i read vanity
18:18
fair by thackeray oh yeah yeah i knew it because i went to
18:21
belgium and i was like
18:22
SPEAKER_01: what why do you guys have all this napoleon stuff everywhere it's weird
18:28
um so victoria's life was sort of defined by the fact that her
18:32
grandfather george
18:33
the third had 15 children all of whom were like philandering
18:37
sluts drug addicts so
18:40
drug yeah charlotte and george had all these kids and none of
18:44
them like got married
18:45
at the right time or to the right people they all like all the
18:48
sons had like 15
18:49
SPEAKER_00: illegitimate children so
18:51
SPEAKER_00: Even though there were all these grandchildren,
18:53
there was a like succession crisis hitting the royal family
18:57
because only one person
18:59
SPEAKER_00: was,
18:59
SPEAKER_00: there was only one legitimate grandchild,
19:01
SPEAKER_00: a girl named princess Charlotte.
19:03
SPEAKER_00: But,
19:04
and Charlotte was like the one hope of the royal family because
19:08
she was like sweet
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SPEAKER_00: and beautiful and pretty and she was legitimate.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: And then she died tragically of childbirth in 1817 at the age of 21.
19:16
SPEAKER_00: This is why women shouldn't be in the line of succession.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: Totally.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:21
um so then george iii is left with no heirs um he dies in 18
19:29
sorry he dies in 1820
19:32
which is also the same year that queen victoria's dad died okay
19:37
um his son one of
19:38
SPEAKER_00: his many children um so then her uncle becomes king george the fourth and
19:45
SPEAKER_00: And he was not insane,
19:47
SPEAKER_00: but he was really,
19:49
SPEAKER_00: really extravagant,
19:51
SPEAKER_00: spent tons and tons of money,
19:52
SPEAKER_00: and he hated his wife.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: So they didn't have any kids, I think.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
19:57
SPEAKER_00: And so it's like becoming clearer and clearer.
19:59
SPEAKER_00: Being the king must be so fun.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you just get to do whatever you want.
20:04
But then it's also like,
20:05
I always feel this way when I'm watching any historic period
20:08
drama.
20:09
SPEAKER_00: It's like,
20:09
SPEAKER_00: you actually have one job,
20:11
SPEAKER_00: which is to have a legitimate child,
20:12
SPEAKER_00: and you can't have sex with your wife one time.
20:15
well i was just watching wolf the new like the most recent wolf
20:19
hall and when anna
20:20
cleves comes and henry the eighth is like she has saggy boobs
20:24
and i won't touch her
20:26
send her away and then like mary's um and boleyn's 12 year old
20:29
cousin i bet she
20:32
SPEAKER_00: didn't have saggy boobs about that because she didn't have boobs yeah
20:37
So it's becoming more and more apparent that Victoria is kind
20:40
of the heir apparent
20:42
because everybody else is just like not crushing it on the
20:46
having legitimate
20:46
SPEAKER_00: children front.
20:47
So there becomes increasing pressure on Victoria to become the
20:53
queen in the future.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: And her mother,
20:56
SPEAKER_00: whose name is Victoire,
20:57
SPEAKER_00: but spelled Victoria,
20:59
SPEAKER_00: the Duchess of Kent,
21:01
SPEAKER_00: raises her in what is called the Kensington system.
21:04
so um duchess of kent is like in cahoots with this guy sir john
21:10
conroy who is her
21:12
victoria's mom's attendant and he was like a scheming evil guy
21:17
like looking for
21:17
power and they're raising victoria in this incredibly
21:21
protective way ostensibly to
21:23
SPEAKER_00: like make sure she doesn't die but also because they are like hoping that
21:28
one of victoria's uncles will die victoria will become like
21:31
princess region and
21:32
they can pull the strings and make her their puppet queen okay
21:36
um so there's all
21:37
these rules like she had no ask a question yeah like okay this
21:41
guy wants her to be
21:42
the puppet queen for him does he have like a vision or he just
21:45
wants that power
21:47
i think he has a vision i think of like how he wants england to
21:50
be well apparently
21:52
john conroy thought his wife was the rightful queen like i
21:55
think i mean i don't
21:56
know what he was mad king john it sounds like basically his
22:00
wife the rightful queen
22:01
because of these like crazy like british nobility situations i
22:06
mean i think also
22:07
that they were all wigs if that gives you any information but
22:13
that means they don't
22:13
SPEAKER_00: want a king
22:14
SPEAKER_00: I know it's kind of confusing.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: I get it.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: What were the rules for the Kensington system?
22:21
SPEAKER_00: So she's not allowed to go up or downstairs by herself.
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okay um her mom read her diary she's only allowed to have two
22:31
prolific diarist yeah
22:33
like mom must have been busy yeah i think it was a full-time
22:35
job um she's also not
22:38
allowed to have any friends she has like one or two friends
22:42
that are chosen by her
22:43
SPEAKER_00: mom and john conroy that's sad and one of them i think she ends up really
22:48
sabotaging queen victoria before she got married was like kind
22:51
of a bratty queen
22:53
SPEAKER_01: Well, it sounds like she didn't have a lot of choice given.
22:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she was she hated her mother.
22:58
So that's the thing is that she's in this like horrific
23:01
basically like stewardship.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's like in prison.
23:04
SPEAKER_00: She's in a gilded cage.
23:06
SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't you like hate your friends who are collaborating with that?
23:11
yeah my friends my mom your friends your mom and the girl you
23:15
were mean to yeah um
23:17
so this is going on victoria's life is incredibly limited
23:21
apparently she wasn't
23:21
very smart um she was kind of a ditz but she liked music cute
23:28
so george the fourth
23:29
one of victoria's uncle dies in 1830 and is succeeded by
23:33
william another uncle
23:35
SPEAKER_00: william the fourth
23:36
who has 10 children but all of them by an actress you know so
23:41
they're basically
23:42
they're useless garbage yeah he was also a huge slut and i
23:45
think he was addicted to
23:46
opium was he married to this actress no okay um i think he had
23:51
a wife but he also
23:52
would not touch her yeah and actually in a one of the sequels
23:56
to bridgerton which
23:57
SPEAKER_00: is about queen charlotte they there's like a lot of plot
24:01
sort of that happens around her children who are portrayed as
24:04
like the worst people
24:05
ever and like they have to marry these horrible german cousins
24:08
and they hate them
24:08
and it's just bad news okay um and so william the fourth dies
24:14
in 1837 and queen
24:17
victoria becomes britain's 18 year old queen wow she's five
24:22
feet tall amazing and
24:24
SPEAKER_00: she's about to take over the world amazing um
24:28
um and her first do you want to know what her first order of
24:31
business was can i
24:33
guess yeah making her bedroom pink kind of similar it has to do
24:40
with her bedroom
24:41
SPEAKER_00: yeah it's moving her mother's bed out of her room
24:45
it's giving um that Jeanette McCurdy yeah it's exactly like I'm
24:51
glad my mom died
24:52
yeah yeah it's that though apparently later once Queen Victoria
24:56
started to have her
24:57
own children she started like kind of rekindled things with her
24:59
mother but so that
25:00
does happen yeah I think she started to understand why her mom
25:04
did what she did but
25:06
yeah so she moves her mom's bed out of her room and then her
25:08
second order of
25:09
SPEAKER_00: business is that she asked to have a half hour to herself every day
25:14
SPEAKER_00: No, just like one time, first time ever.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: Like she's an 18 year old girl who's never been alone for half an hour.
25:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
25:21
SPEAKER_00: What do you think she did?
25:22
SPEAKER_00: Masturbate?
25:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, definitely.
25:26
SPEAKER_00: And then she also moves her mom's bed out of the room,
25:30
SPEAKER_00: but then sends it to the far other end of Buckingham Palace.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
25:34
SPEAKER_00: So she's,
25:34
SPEAKER_00: and they,
25:35
she refuses her mom's request to see her and they communicate
25:38
only by letter.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: She hated her mom.
25:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I get it.
25:46
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, her mom just wanted her to be powerful.
25:52
SPEAKER_00: So as we've said, Queen Victoria was a prolific diarist.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: This is what she wrote the day that she learned she would be queen.
26:00
SPEAKER_00: I was awoke at six o'clock by Mama,
26:02
who told me the Archbishop of Canterbury and Lord Corningham
26:06
were here and wished
26:07
SPEAKER_00: to see me.
26:07
SPEAKER_00: I got out of bed and went into my sitting room,
26:10
SPEAKER_00: only in my dressing gown,
26:12
SPEAKER_00: and alone,
26:13
SPEAKER_00: and saw them.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: Lord Corningham then acquainted me that my poor uncle,
26:17
SPEAKER_00: the king,
26:18
SPEAKER_00: was no more,
26:19
SPEAKER_00: and had expired at twelve minutes past two this morning,
26:22
SPEAKER_00: and consequently that I am queen.
26:25
SPEAKER_00: Cool, right?
26:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's cool.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: But I wanted to show you another painting.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: She was expecting it, I guess, though, right?
26:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, her whole life was about this moment.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: But there's this painting by Henry Tanworth Wells,
26:37
SPEAKER_00: painted in the 1880s,
26:39
SPEAKER_00: where she's learning that she's become queen.
26:41
SPEAKER_00: And it's like,
26:42
SPEAKER_00: doesn't it look,
26:43
I just wanted to show you how it looks exactly like a painting
26:46
of the Annunciation.
26:47
SPEAKER_00: There's like,
26:48
SPEAKER_00: instead of the Angel Gabriel,
26:49
there's like these guys telling her that she's queen and
26:51
there's light pouring in
26:52
SPEAKER_00: through the window.
26:53
SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
26:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:55
People don't talk about,
26:56
like,
26:56
the God aspect of the monarchy quite as much anymore,
26:59
I think.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: I know.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: Well, like, Charles III was definitely not chosen by God in my mind.
27:05
SPEAKER_01: Why do you say that?
27:07
SPEAKER_00: Because he's so uncharismatic.
27:09
Have you watched the video of him recently getting shot at in,
27:13
like,
27:13
the 80s or 90s?
27:16
SPEAKER_01: No.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: He demonstrates an admirable sang-froid.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: What does he do?
27:21
SPEAKER_01: He's like, it's an assassination attempt, and he just goes...
27:26
He just like people are like diving around him trying to like
27:29
catch the assailant.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: He just like glances.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: Oh, maybe I have seen this.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: And it's like, I feel like he doesn't have all his marbles or something.
27:40
SPEAKER_00: But this was a long time ago.
27:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:41
But he also like we should do an episode about how he hates
27:44
modern architecture.
27:46
SPEAKER_00: Does he?
27:47
He has like he like before Trump started like an official
27:51
commission to end modernism.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
27:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: And like when there was the extension built to the national gallery by,
27:59
SPEAKER_00: um,
28:00
SPEAKER_00: the Las Vegas people.
28:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
28:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh,
28:04
venturi robert venturi and denise scott brown but it was the
28:06
venturi is yeah
28:08
venturi did the addition it's not denise scott brown like
28:11
charles was like he
28:12
called it the basically like the pimple on the beautiful face
28:16
of england yeah that
28:17
SPEAKER_00: makes sense so disgusted by it um okay
28:23
So that's kind of how Queen Victoria gets to the point where
28:27
she's an 18 year old
28:28
SPEAKER_00: queen and she's just sort of awesome.
28:32
SPEAKER_00: But like these things happen where,
28:35
so there's one of the few people she was ever allowed to play
28:38
with was this girl,
28:39
SPEAKER_00: Flora Hastings,
28:41
SPEAKER_00: who is like in cahoots with Sir John Conroy.
28:44
She's unmarried and there's rumors swirling in the palace that
28:48
Flora had taken a
28:50
SPEAKER_00: carriage ride alone with Sir John Conroy.
28:53
just not good and then flora starts her belly swells and
28:59
everyone is like is she
29:01
pregnant and victoria is like stoking the rumors like being
29:07
like yeah i bet it's
29:08
sir john conroy's baby i heard they took a carriage ride i
29:11
heard they took a
29:11
SPEAKER_00: carriage ride to hell
29:13
And then she orders that Flora gets this like really brutal
29:18
medical examination,
29:19
SPEAKER_00: like pelvic exam,
29:21
SPEAKER_00: which determines that she's not pregnant.
29:23
SPEAKER_00: She has liver cancer,
29:24
has a huge tumor that's growing like so large that her whole
29:28
body is swelling.
29:29
SPEAKER_00: And then she dies.
29:30
And like,
29:31
but the public hears about this and everyone is like,
29:33
Queen Victoria is evil.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: She should not have all this power.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: She's like spiteful and mean.
29:39
SPEAKER_00: It's like a very interesting...
29:42
I don't know,
29:42
referendum on the body and like what it means to be a woman.
29:45
Is that like a normal to get that,
29:47
to have that kind of exam ordered upon you?
29:50
SPEAKER_00: I think maybe not in the 1830s.
29:51
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm like, that seems late for that.
29:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:54
SPEAKER_01: Like Joan of Arc, like virginity test.
29:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:59
agree um so yeah victoria was kind of wild um and then she's
30:08
also even though she's
30:09
queen she's still feeling burdened by her mother and she asks
30:13
her very trusted
30:14
advisor like what do i do lord melbourne what do i do and he's
30:17
like you could get
30:18
married because if you're married you don't have to live with
30:20
your mother then you
30:21
SPEAKER_00: have a husband who's your boss exactly
30:23
SPEAKER_00: And she apparently wrote in her journal that marriage was a,
30:27
SPEAKER_00: quote,
30:27
SPEAKER_00: shocking alternative that she had not considered.
30:30
And she's kind of resistant to getting married because she is
30:32
so young and she
30:33
SPEAKER_00: doesn't want to start having kids yet.
30:36
I'm basically being told,
30:38
like,
30:38
oh,
30:38
you can go from your overbearing mother to a husband.
30:40
It's kind of like,
30:41
well,
30:41
that doesn't make a husband sound very good,
30:43
does it?
30:43
SPEAKER_00: Especially when you're queen.
30:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:46
Like,
30:46
you have all the power in the world except you can't even kick
30:49
your mom out of the house.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can send her to, like, a really far wing, but...
30:53
SPEAKER_01: I was just, I guess like Queen Elizabeth never married.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: Oh, the first.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's why.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: But I don't think she had a mom because her mom was in Berlin.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: Oh, right.
31:03
SPEAKER_00: Her mom was dead.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: Her mom was dead.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: The Virgin Queen.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:08
So,
31:09
you know,
31:10
it's,
31:10
we're talking about the late 1830s when Queen Victoria is king.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, queen.
31:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
31:18
but a few years earlier on her 17th birthday before she was
31:21
queen in 1836 16 going
31:23
on 17 literally 16 going on 17 and then she falls in love with
31:27
a german boy it is
31:29
the sound of music cute um so albert and his brother ernst and
31:36
his dad ernst the
31:37
SPEAKER_00: duke of sax coburg um they come to visit
31:42
SPEAKER_00: And basically like Albert was always supposed to be Victoria's husband.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: It was basically an arranged marriage.
31:48
SPEAKER_00: So at first Victoria actually doesn't like him.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: So she writes in her journal at, should I do my accent again?
31:56
SPEAKER_00: Well,
31:56
SPEAKER_01: who is,
31:57
SPEAKER_01: well,
31:57
SPEAKER_01: you just describe who Albert is to me quickly,
31:59
SPEAKER_01: like why he's supposed to be her husband.
32:02
so he's a i think they're all hanoverians so like basically
32:08
victoria and albert are
32:09
completely entangled in the same complex royal bloodline okay
32:15
and so there are this
32:17
it's this huge network of princes and princesses and dukes and
32:21
whatever all of whom
32:22
SPEAKER_00: are related and like the hanoverian family had gotten control of england
32:28
SPEAKER_00: But then the rest of them stayed on the continent and had all these,
32:31
SPEAKER_00: you know,
32:31
SPEAKER_00: because like Germany wasn't Germany.
32:33
SPEAKER_00: It was like made up of all these little kingdoms, basically.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: And the Saxe-Coburgs were like one branch.
32:38
And was that like an important alliance or why was Albert the
32:42
one that was chosen
32:42
SPEAKER_01: of all the cousins?
32:43
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: Well,
32:44
I think it was an important alliance like just to keep it in
32:46
the bloodline,
32:47
SPEAKER_00: like keep the Hanoverians like on top.
32:51
And so like at one point she had a crush on the son of the Tsar
32:55
of Russia.
32:56
But everyone's like,
32:56
hell no,
32:57
she's not like I don't think Russia wanted her to marry him.
33:00
SPEAKER_00: And like all of her advisors didn't want an alliance with Russia.
33:03
World history would have been completely different if she had
33:06
married him.
33:07
yeah i actually really do that's interesting yeah well i think
33:12
like germany i don't
33:13
know what like queen victoria's reign would did differently for
33:16
germany i mean
33:17
think about when she stopped raining in like the 1890s world
33:23
war ii happens like 15
33:24
SPEAKER_01: years later
33:26
yeah and germany and england are at war but like do you think
33:30
germany would have
33:31
been any less rife with these kind of like fiefdom issues i
33:35
don't think she like
33:36
made that she just was but i think that the way that germany
33:39
goaded england into
33:41
that war maybe would have been different i don't know yeah i
33:43
mean that i guess
33:44
SPEAKER_00: those were like cousins on either side of the channel
33:50
SPEAKER_01: It's an interesting question.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: So is that enough context?
33:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
33:53
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: So you can do your Queen Victoria voice again if you want.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: Do you like it?
33:59
SPEAKER_00: I love it.
33:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: He has the most kind,
34:21
SPEAKER_00: honest,
34:22
SPEAKER_00: and intelligent expression in his countenance,
34:24
SPEAKER_00: and he has a very good figure.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: Albert, who is just as tall as Ernst, but stouter, is extremely handsome.
34:31
SPEAKER_00: His hair is about the same color as mine.
34:33
His eyes are large and blue,
34:35
and he has a beautiful nose and a very sweet mouth with fine
34:38
teeth.
34:39
But the charm of his countenance is his expression,
34:43
which is most delightful.
34:45
SPEAKER_00: And then she says, C'est à la fois.
34:48
SPEAKER_00: Full of goodness and sweetness and very clever and intelligent.
34:53
SPEAKER_00: So she is charmed by him.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: She thinks he's cute.
34:56
SPEAKER_01: He looks just like her.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: I know.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: Isn't that so disgusting?
35:02
SPEAKER_00: But here's the thing.
35:03
SPEAKER_00: Even though she thinks he's kind of hot, he's really, really shy.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: Because basically,
35:08
SPEAKER_00: for whatever reason,
35:09
SPEAKER_00: his branch of the Saxe-Coburg family,
35:11
SPEAKER_00: there was no women.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't think he'd ever met a girl before.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
35:15
SPEAKER_00: Before he visited her.
35:17
And get this,
35:18
the entire German delegation from Saxe-Coburg had the worst
35:22
diarrhea.
35:23
SPEAKER_00: Bad, bad, bad on their visit to England.
35:26
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
35:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:27
SPEAKER_00: So he was like not doing well.
35:29
so he wasn't shy he was just sick yeah he was like just a mess
35:33
and yet his
35:34
countenance was full of goodness and sweetness yeah isn't that
35:37
kind of sweet it's
35:37
cute yeah but then like lucy worsley historian says in this
35:42
documentary i watched
35:43
about the queen victoria and prince albert love affair
35:45
basically victoria dedicates
35:46
ultimately more words in her diary at this point to the parrot
35:50
that her uncle ernst
35:51
SPEAKER_00: gave her than she does to albert
35:53
SPEAKER_01: That's funny because every time you say Arab parent, I hear Arab parrot.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: Oh, man.
36:01
SPEAKER_01: And so I've been thinking about parrots a lot, too.
36:04
SPEAKER_00: Do you want to hear what she said?
36:06
SPEAKER_00: So did you know that a lorry is a type of parrot?
36:09
SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't know that.
36:10
SPEAKER_01: I thought a lorry was like a police wagon.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: A lorry is a truck.
36:14
SPEAKER_01: A lorry is a truck.
36:15
Yeah.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: Dear Uncle Ernest,
36:17
SPEAKER_00: may it be the present of a most delightful lorry,
36:20
SPEAKER_00: which is so tame that it remains on your hand,
36:22
and you may put your finger into its beak or do anything with
36:26
it without it ever
36:27
SPEAKER_00: attempting to bite.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: It is larger than Mama's gray parrot and has the most beautiful plumage.
36:33
SPEAKER_00: It is scarlet, blue, brown, yellow, and purple.
36:36
SPEAKER_00: And she goes on and on.
36:38
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of like a symbol to parrots.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, I do feel like we have something in us that's bird friendly.
36:49
SPEAKER_01: I'm attracted to the idea of having attracted to parrots.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: What I thought you were going to say.
36:57
in a way yes that is what i see i met this guy once at a
36:59
wedding speaking of who
37:03
was someone who like had had his loft in soho from the 70s and
37:06
paid like 14 a month
37:08
to live in this like huge loft right on canal street and he
37:14
shared it with his like
37:15
SPEAKER_01: 14 parents whoa i know i loved the concept
37:20
SPEAKER_00: There was a car,
37:22
SPEAKER_00: I think,
37:22
in San Francisco that I used to see when I was growing up that
37:25
was just full of
37:26
SPEAKER_00: parrots.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: That sounds dangerous.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: The parrot car.
37:30
SPEAKER_01: I guess it's not that hot in San Francisco.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:32
SPEAKER_01: And parrots are tropical birds, naturally.
37:34
SPEAKER_00: Well,
37:34
did I tell you about the insane New York Post article about the
37:37
pigeon woman who
37:39
SPEAKER_00: feeds the pigeons outside the museum?
37:41
no and there's a new expose where neighbors on the upper east
37:44
side have caught her
37:45
putting sick pigeons into her car like she if she thinks they
37:49
don't look well she
37:50
throws them in the car and she says she's like protecting them
37:53
and then releases
37:53
them but sometimes she's like she apparently was quoted in the
37:56
york post being like
37:57
yeah sometimes i have 14 15 pigeons in my car what's the big
38:00
deal but everyone was
38:02
like honestly what's the big deal let her live i know whose
38:05
side you're on i'm
38:07
SPEAKER_00: always on the pigeon lady's side
38:09
um okay so that was their 1836 encounter but again he had
38:13
diarrhea and she was not
38:15
that into it but then she sees him again in 1839 and she writes
38:21
it was with some
38:22
emotion that i beheld albert who is beautiful and so she's just
38:28
enchanted and
38:29
SPEAKER_00: basically four days later she proposes to him
38:33
that's cool yeah she's not allowed to be proposed to because
38:35
she's the queen yeah
38:37
queens can't be proposed to is that true at the time now it's
38:41
not true i mean i'm
38:42
trying to think like in the crown does elizabeth proposed i
38:45
don't think well she
38:45
was married before she became queen yeah to that creep because
38:51
the whole episode is
38:52
SPEAKER_01: her dad coughing up blood
38:55
SPEAKER_01: So sad.
38:56
SPEAKER_01: I've never seen that show after that episode.
38:58
SPEAKER_01: It's so annoying.
38:59
SPEAKER_00: I think it goes downhill.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: Um, okay.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: Stuttering and coughing up blood.
39:04
Um,
39:06
and she also writes in her journal how lucky she is to be loved
39:09
by an angel as Albert.
39:10
SPEAKER_00: Um,
39:11
that's weird and she said i feel the happiest of human beings
39:16
she's so lucky she
39:17
was in love with him yeah um so that's october 15th 1839 cut to
39:24
february 10th 1840
39:26
SPEAKER_00: the wedding bells ring what do wedding bells sound like
39:35
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so they get married.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: But there's more to the story, of course.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
39:41
Because as I was saying before,
39:44
the monarchy was kind of in crisis before Victoria became
39:47
queen.
39:48
And then her initial sort of petulant bratty motions as queen
39:52
did not gain her much
39:54
SPEAKER_00: favor with the British public.
39:55
so lord melbourne who is a father figure to queen victoria and
40:00
also some historians
40:02
think he was totally in love with her but it wasn't like sexual
40:04
he was like an old
40:05
guy he is like we got is he lecherous i don't think so people
40:10
don't think it was
40:10
sexual okay but he loved her yeah um he was like we need to
40:16
turn this ship around
40:17
SPEAKER_00: like there's going to be a revolution and that's actually
40:20
SPEAKER_00: On our last episode,
40:21
SPEAKER_00: we were talking about 1865,
40:24
SPEAKER_00: and we ended up,
40:25
SPEAKER_00: even though this didn't happen in 1865,
40:26
SPEAKER_00: I feel like we were talking a lot about,
40:28
SPEAKER_00: like,
40:28
SPEAKER_00: revolutions.
40:29
SPEAKER_01: The 48 revolutions,
40:31
SPEAKER_01: I think,
40:31
SPEAKER_01: like,
40:31
SPEAKER_01: played into what happened in America in the Civil War and also...
40:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
40:36
SPEAKER_01: Some of the other stuff we were talking about.
40:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
40:38
SPEAKER_00: And like the way that France changed and all these things.
40:41
SPEAKER_00: And like, I mean, England doesn't really have.
40:46
SPEAKER_00: England's weird on this topic.
40:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
40:49
SPEAKER_00: Like the continuity in England is very interesting.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: Like they've had the same constitution since the middle ages.
40:54
Well,
40:55
and there's this idea of like the bloodless revolution,
40:57
which isn't really true.
40:59
SPEAKER_01: Like there were wars.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: They happened earlier.
41:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:02
yeah well they had like Oliver Cromwell many a long time before
41:06
Queen Victoria so
41:07
they kind of like I feel like they got it out of their system
41:10
but then obviously
41:11
like also Marx was like in England you know like yeah there's
41:16
all these weird ways
41:17
that they like revolted and didn't yeah and but I think that if
41:21
Queen Victoria
41:22
hadn't become queen like there I do think the monarchy would
41:26
have ended like do you
41:28
SPEAKER_01: think we would have been better off
41:30
SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm so curious what would have happened to England.
41:33
SPEAKER_01: I mean, the monarchy at this point is so rotten.
41:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:37
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think that like, well, it's so interesting.
41:39
SPEAKER_00: Like my grandma is British and she was born in 1934.
41:43
SPEAKER_00: And I think she was born before Queen Elizabeth became queen.
41:48
But like the fact that my grandma only experienced like has
41:52
only experienced three,
41:53
I think.
41:54
monarchs like i think that now it's over i think we're seeing
41:57
the next moment of
41:58
the end of the british monarchy i don't think it will survive
42:01
very well like it
42:03
won't survive megan markle's cooking show yeah like i actually
42:06
don't think it will
42:07
survive that or all the cancer like yeah and that's like so
42:10
fascinating to me that
42:11
SPEAKER_00: the breakdown cancer
42:13
charles the third has cancer kate middleton just had cancer
42:16
yeah they're all really
42:17
sick and isn't that so 21st century that it the breakdown is
42:20
coming from social
42:21
media via megan markle inside the house it's like yeah the call
42:23
is coming from
42:24
inside the house because like they it's like so of this moment
42:28
that it's both like
42:29
freaky disease happening way too early and also social media
42:34
and like hollywood
42:35
SPEAKER_00: fame seeking in harry and megan yeah
42:39
like but yeah so i think it makes sense to me that george the
42:43
third and then george
42:44
the fourth and william the fourth like those were real dirt
42:47
bags and well also like
42:50
sick yeah they were sick in the head yeah and it's so
42:53
interesting that like i mean
42:55
i think victoria probably was more inbred than they were yeah
43:00
there's like a who
43:03
there's a hapsburg who's like out kicking about right now
43:06
somewhere how does he
43:07
SPEAKER_01: look
43:08
or she he he um i'm trying to remember what i was listening to
43:15
where he was like a
43:16
guest on a podcast i was listening to and talking about like
43:18
catholic values and
43:20
like how he still like promotes catholic like hapsburg values
43:25
and i was just like
43:26
SPEAKER_01: you're rotten
43:27
SPEAKER_00: You're rotten.
43:28
SPEAKER_00: You're rotten.
43:29
It's like when you sent me,
43:30
we were sending back and forth clips of Megan on a podcast.
43:34
And it was just like,
43:34
I don't really think if you're royal,
43:36
you should be on a podcast.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: It's her podcast.
43:38
SPEAKER_00: No, no.
43:38
The other podcast where she's being interviewed and the woman
43:41
looks like she hates her so much.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: I think that's her podcast.
43:45
SPEAKER_00: No, no.
43:46
SPEAKER_00: I know she has a podcast.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: It's called Confessions of a Female Founder.
43:49
SPEAKER_01: And she's always like, yeah.
43:54
SPEAKER_00: So it's hard to be a female founder.
43:57
SPEAKER_01: You and I know it more than anyone else.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: I actually have a lot of empathy with the female founder.
44:02
SPEAKER_01: We're girl boss.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: It's like us and the girl who founded Bumble.
44:07
SPEAKER_00: So Lord Melbourne is going to use the royal wedding as a PR stunt.
44:13
And it's really the first time that someone's ever thought that
44:15
let's use a royal
44:16
SPEAKER_00: wedding to turn our reputation around.
44:19
SPEAKER_00: It's like a PR stunt.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: Lucy Worsley,
44:22
SPEAKER_00: again,
44:23
SPEAKER_00: called it the,
44:23
SPEAKER_00: quote,
44:24
SPEAKER_00: birth of a brand,
44:25
SPEAKER_00: which I didn't really like that interpretation.
44:27
SPEAKER_01: I don't like that, but I get what she's saying.
44:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:30
SPEAKER_01: I clock.
44:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm clocking.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: She's standing on business.
44:35
SPEAKER_01: What did Justin Bieber say?
44:37
SPEAKER_00: She's standing.
44:37
SPEAKER_00: It's clocking right now.
44:42
SPEAKER_01: So for sure.
44:43
SPEAKER_00: So for sure.
44:43
So Melbourne comes up with some ideas of how to use the wedding
44:50
more effectively to
44:51
SPEAKER_00: kind of gain popular support.
44:53
So one thing he does is he decides that the wedding will happen
44:56
during the day
44:57
SPEAKER_00: instead of very late at night.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
45:00
which is a typical for a royal family okay why was that because
45:03
they're busy all
45:04
day they're busy all day and they're like partying all night
45:06
you know like it's
45:07
like extravagant it's like what her family would have done yeah
45:10
before her um those
45:12
opium addict exactly like they were asleep all day eloping in
45:16
the middle of the
45:17
SPEAKER_01: night vegas style
45:18
SPEAKER_00: He also decides that the wedding should take place at this.
45:23
SPEAKER_00: It's the Royal Chapel of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
45:27
SPEAKER_01: I love the Royal Chapel of blah, blah, blah.
45:30
SPEAKER_00: The Chapel Royal of St.
45:31
SPEAKER_00: James Place, which is actually very small and humble.
45:35
SPEAKER_00: And he just thinks that's kind of the right fit.
45:38
SPEAKER_00: She's very small.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: She's so tiny.
45:40
SPEAKER_00: She can fit into any chapel.
45:41
SPEAKER_01: Sort of like the koi fish effect.
45:46
SPEAKER_01: You know how koi fish only grow to the size of the pond?
45:48
SPEAKER_01: The way you were just looking at me.
45:53
SPEAKER_00: Well, because I also told you that other story about the koi.
45:56
SPEAKER_01: No, no, not that.
45:57
SPEAKER_00: Cut.
45:58
SPEAKER_00: Cut.
45:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
46:00
SPEAKER_00: So he decides it should happen in the day.
46:02
It should happen at this small royal chapel and they do like a
46:05
big parade.
46:07
SPEAKER_00: So kind of similarly to like Diana or Kate,
46:10
like she goes through the city to get to the wedding and
46:13
everybody gets to
46:14
SPEAKER_00: participate in it.
46:15
I don't...
46:16
I mean,
46:16
I know you know this,
46:17
but I'll say it for the listeners.
46:18
That's,
46:19
like,
46:19
not something I've ever really been engaged with or interested
46:23
in.
46:23
SPEAKER_01: A parade?
46:25
SPEAKER_01: Like, the royal wedding.
46:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love... Like, royalty in general.
46:29
So I don't really know what you're talking about,
46:31
but I guess I can picture it.
46:32
SPEAKER_00: You can picture it.
46:33
It's,
46:33
like,
46:33
imagine...
46:34
Like,
46:34
I don't even remember when Kate Middleton's wedding was.
46:37
SPEAKER_00: 20... I was in middle school.
46:39
SPEAKER_01: Like, I definitely didn't look at pictures...
46:42
SPEAKER_00: Are you kidding?
46:42
SPEAKER_00: I'm so serious.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: It was like on the cover of the New York Times.
46:46
SPEAKER_00: When have I ever looked at the New York Times?
46:49
SPEAKER_00: I remember it so well.
46:52
SPEAKER_00: My mom and I, I think, woke up really early to watch it.
46:55
I like vaguely have a childhood memory of Princess Diana dying,
46:58
but like not even.
46:59
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
47:01
SPEAKER_01: I don't think I was alive yet.
47:04
SPEAKER_00: When did she die?
47:05
SPEAKER_01: I think she died in 97.
47:06
SPEAKER_01: You might not have been aware.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: I was born in 96.
47:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she died in 97.
47:11
SPEAKER_00: I was just one years old.
47:12
SPEAKER_01: I was just one years old.
47:13
SPEAKER_01: I remember the beanie baby.
47:14
SPEAKER_01: There was a beanie baby.
47:15
SPEAKER_01: It was purple.
47:16
SPEAKER_00: I've seen that.
47:17
SPEAKER_00: You had it?
47:17
SPEAKER_00: It was on its chest.
47:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:19
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my God.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: That's so cool.
47:23
SPEAKER_00: So it's like a humble affair, but it's also extravagant.
47:28
SPEAKER_00: in a lot of ways.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: Um,
47:29
and also the other thing is not only as like the monarchy on
47:32
the brink of collapse,
47:33
but also the British public is like not super thrilled about
47:35
her marrying Albert
47:37
SPEAKER_00: because they're like these,
47:38
there's actually these really funny cartoons of Albert
47:41
portrayed as a German
47:42
SPEAKER_00: sausage person.
47:44
store proprietor closing up shop because he's like bagged the
47:48
princess and he was
47:50
very poor he was poor she was rich he was german she was
47:53
british he was a boy she
47:55
SPEAKER_00: was a girl i was 16 going on 17.
47:59
um and so she tries to kind of like up his reputation and she
48:05
names him a um what
48:08
do you call that a field marshal of the british army which is
48:10
like one of the
48:11
highest honors that you can have but that's also interesting
48:13
because victoria is
48:15
SPEAKER_01: kind of criticized for being like a sort of bourgeois queen
48:20
and why and they're calling albert like a shopkeeper basically
48:24
yeah well i also
48:26
think it's interesting with like i think albert pretty
48:28
successfully like sheds his
48:30
SPEAKER_01: german roots like yeah i didn't realize he was german
48:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
48:34
like the way that he is associated with so many like parts of
48:38
like English cultural
48:39
SPEAKER_00: history and like Victorian Albert Museum,
48:42
SPEAKER_00: his participation in the Great Exhibition.
48:44
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
48:45
Like I think he actually started to really advocate for like
48:48
British cultural specificity.
48:50
SPEAKER_00: Well,
48:50
so like a little BTS is that Mabel was watching a reenactment
48:53
of the wedding and I
48:54
watched like five minutes of it with her and there's like a
48:56
scene where he's
48:56
SPEAKER_01: writing a letter and he's writing in German and I was so surprised.
48:59
SPEAKER_01: It said,
49:04
the grand mutter exactly it was like the most not real german
49:09
well i wonder if he
49:11
if they ever spoke german together i don't really know did she
49:14
speak german i
49:15
assume she did because she was also the other thing is victoria
49:18
was almost born in
49:19
germany like her parents were she had been born in germany she
49:23
couldn't have been
49:23
SPEAKER_00: queen i think it would have been more difficult
49:25
And basically her parents also were really had no money because
49:29
they were like the
49:29
SPEAKER_00: fourth son and the wife.
49:31
And so they were living in Germany because they were like a
49:33
little bit richer there.
49:34
SPEAKER_00: And then her father exchange rate.
49:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because the euro was really down.
49:39
And then her father was like,
49:41
when the wife was pregnant,
49:42
was like,
49:42
we're going back.
49:43
yeah because you don't want to get you don't want to give up
49:45
that opportunity yeah
49:47
um so we actually we know a fair amount about victoria and
49:51
albert's wedding because
49:52
it was very well documented and it was like this huge public
49:55
spectacle and you know
49:57
melbourne like all the papers were writing about it there was
49:59
posters everywhere
50:01
and there was a pretty accurate painting um by george hater
50:05
which we were just
50:06
SPEAKER_00: talking about hater hater
50:08
um and george hater the painter was at the wedding and he
50:12
painted it like started
50:14
sketching right after um he was at the wedding yeah that's
50:19
interesting he do you
50:21
SPEAKER_01: know if like like
50:23
David was at Napoleon's coronation actually I think that's a
50:28
famous painting of the
50:29
coronation which this kind of looks like of Napoleon was like
50:32
pretty fictionalized
50:33
that's interesting I don't know that he was even actually there
50:37
I feel like it's
50:37
kind of unusual that the painter was there yeah well and I
50:40
think like the painter
50:41
was there because they did want to record it they wanted it to
50:44
be like widely
50:47
dispersed amongst the public I mean not that a painting
50:50
necessarily would do that
50:52
um but there was something funny I was reading oh I guess this
50:58
is actually for a
50:58
different painting Hayter also painted um a portrait of the
51:03
christening of one of
51:04
Victorian Albert's children and then um when he went oh
51:11
actually I think it's
51:13
SPEAKER_00: actually this painting
51:14
basically hater went to go to windsor castle to visit because
51:19
he was painting a
51:20
picture of the son's christening and he saw that they had hung
51:23
the painting of the
51:24
wedding between two windows so it was backlit and he was very
51:28
upset just thought
51:29
that was interesting did he have them move it i don't think he
51:32
had the power
51:34
SPEAKER_01: Do you think she decided where it was hung?
51:36
SPEAKER_01: No.
51:37
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
51:38
SPEAKER_00: Maybe she didn't really like it.
51:40
SPEAKER_00: Why?
51:40
SPEAKER_00: She looks gorgeous.
51:41
SPEAKER_00: She looks so tiny and gorgeous.
51:43
SPEAKER_01: Minuscule.
51:45
SPEAKER_00: So as I said, Albert and Victoria loved music.
51:50
And so at the chapel,
51:51
there was a couple of choral songs by Handel that were played.
51:57
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
51:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:58
in case you were wondering because they're german they're
52:00
german um after the
52:03
wedding there was a very lavish wedding breakfast where a
52:06
hundred yum dishes were
52:08
prepared what were they there was all 100 okay there was lamb
52:13
cutlets yummy fried
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SPEAKER_00: bird which is i think just chicken but they cried
52:19
bird it might have been like pigeon or something it's
52:22
disgusting either way um a
52:24
timbalo of macaroni do you know what that is no it's like i've
52:28
do you remember in
52:28
the leopard you've read the leopard right yeah i don't remember
52:32
any timbalos of
52:33
SPEAKER_01: macaroni
52:34
there it's like these amazing descriptions of I think these
52:37
like Sicilian dishes in
52:39
the leopard which were just like I think like a lot of things
52:42
were more in the
52:43
family of lasagna in the 19th century like these huge casserole
52:47
yeah like and
52:47
they're I wanted to show you so I had looked through the
52:51
cookbook from 1846 of
52:54
SPEAKER_00: Queen Victoria's chef William Ball and like the photos of photos
52:59
SPEAKER_00: The illustrations.
53:01
SPEAKER_00: For the record.
53:02
SPEAKER_00: You're right, you're right.
53:03
SPEAKER_00: The illustrations of the dishes are just like so theatrical and crazy.
53:08
SPEAKER_00: They look like dresses.
53:10
SPEAKER_00: They look like castles.
53:12
One has to wonder if that's what it actually looked like or if
53:15
that was embellished
53:16
SPEAKER_01: in the illustration.
53:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:17
one time madeline and i went to a potluck where the theme was
53:21
bring a dish based on
53:24
a recipe that is like older than 1950 or something yeah and so
53:30
madeline was like oh
53:31
we'll use my grandma's great grandma's cookbook yeah and you
53:35
made a what was
53:36
SPEAKER_00: supposed to be like a corn pudding
53:39
SPEAKER_00: But I think the oven wasn't working and the oven wasn't working.
53:42
The recipe called for like eight gallons of milk,
53:45
four sticks of butter and cheese and corn.
53:49
SPEAKER_01: And I should remake this as a redemption.
53:52
SPEAKER_01: Like once the oven works again.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: Well, it works again now.
53:55
SPEAKER_00: Now that the oven works again.
53:56
SPEAKER_00: And we were really late,
53:59
SPEAKER_00: I feel like,
53:59
SPEAKER_00: to the party because it's supposed to be like an end custard,
54:02
SPEAKER_01: basically.
54:03
SPEAKER_00: But it wouldn't set.
54:04
SPEAKER_00: And then we were like, let's put it in the microwave.
54:06
SPEAKER_00: And then finally, we just were like, OK, let's just go to the party.
54:10
SPEAKER_00: And you left it on the stove.
54:12
SPEAKER_00: And the next day, we were like, what do we do with this?
54:14
SPEAKER_00: I had to dump it in the yard.
54:16
SPEAKER_00: And then we were like, we still, I know exactly where you dumped it.
54:20
SPEAKER_00: I know.
54:20
SPEAKER_00: I still think about it.
54:21
i think about it every time i go to your house i like see the
54:23
tree where it's under
54:24
and i'm like where i laid it to rest it's like a toxic
54:27
wasteland yeah do you
54:29
remember what i brought instead butter a gigantic roll of amish
54:33
butter yum that was
54:35
SPEAKER_01: awesome like the size of a tire
54:37
SPEAKER_00: So cool.
54:38
But what you should have brought was something like was cooked
54:41
for Queen Victoria's wedding.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: Like this.
54:43
SPEAKER_00: How do you say this?
54:44
SPEAKER_00: This pate showed?
54:45
SPEAKER_00: Pate show.
54:47
Pate show of young rabbits,
54:48
which basically looks like a beautiful top hat.
54:51
SPEAKER_00: Here's the recipe.
54:52
SPEAKER_00: Cut up two young rabbits.
54:53
into small members you place these in a deep saute pan it's not
54:59
saute pan oh saute
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pan with two ounces of butter a handful of chopped mushrooms
55:04
some parsley and two
55:04
shallots chopped also seasoned with pepper and salt a little
55:08
grated nutmeg and a
55:09
garnished faggot this is kind of what's a garnished faggot i
55:14
thought a faggot was a
55:16
so it's a garnished bunch of sticks yeah these recipes read
55:20
like when you watch
55:21
somebody cook something on tiktok and you're like i'll make
55:24
that and then you go
55:24
back and watch the video and you're like you skip that's not a
55:27
recipe like i don't
55:29
know how to cut up two young rabbits into members like i feel
55:32
like often on tiktok
55:32
it's like first i put in like sage and it's like well how much
55:36
when like did you
55:38
SPEAKER_01: prepare it first how did you cut it
55:41
well this is when you start to realize like julia child's
55:43
contributions to the
55:44
world yeah because to and even a julia child recipe if you look
55:48
at it now is i find
55:49
like pretty comprehensible my grandma's recipe book is a lot
55:53
like like well a lot
55:55
SPEAKER_01: of it's like buy white bread at the store
56:00
but then it's like then it is like put a handful of mushrooms
56:03
in a pot and cook and
56:07
you're like what does cook mean well also these illustrations
56:12
of these dishes like
56:13
this salmon a la regions reminds me of there was that
56:17
exhibition that barred about
56:19
the table like the table of the renaissance and yeah like
56:23
really elaborate napkin
56:24
SPEAKER_00: folding practices that were happening during the renaissance where
56:28
SPEAKER_01: There's like one guy who does the napkins now, right?
56:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
56:30
SPEAKER_00: And it's like these amazing traditions where you like,
56:33
SPEAKER_00: you take,
56:33
SPEAKER_00: it's not like putting a towel into a swan.
56:35
SPEAKER_00: It's like taking a napkin and being like,
56:37
SPEAKER_00: this is Windsor castle on fire on the night of February 10th,
56:40
SPEAKER_00: 1840.
56:40
SPEAKER_00: It's so crazy.
56:42
SPEAKER_00: It's really cool.
56:43
SPEAKER_00: I wish we had taken a class about how to do that.
56:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, they didn't teach it.
56:47
SPEAKER_00: That wasn't on offer.
56:49
SPEAKER_00: I wish I had learned something in grad school.
56:51
SPEAKER_01: I wish I had learned something useful, like elaborate napkin folding.
56:55
SPEAKER_01: There's the number of times I can't even make a corn custard.
56:58
i know i starved that night and i have more degrees than you
57:03
have a lot of degrees
57:04
you have like four now okay so the wedding cake was a sort of
57:10
path breaking
57:13
SPEAKER_00: tradition starting cake it was a huge huge huge huge nine feet diameter
57:18
SPEAKER_00: Nine feet is like taller than you, Madeline.
57:21
SPEAKER_00: Really big cake.
57:23
SPEAKER_00: And it was 300 pounds.
57:25
SPEAKER_01: And it was basically like taller than me, but not lighter than me.
57:30
SPEAKER_00: It was like 800 gallons of brandy and fruit.
57:33
SPEAKER_00: And it was a fruitcake.
57:35
SPEAKER_00: It was a fruitcake,
57:36
SPEAKER_00: which apparently started a tradition where almost every royal,
57:39
SPEAKER_00: I think every royal wedding cake since then has been a fruitcake until,
57:44
SPEAKER_00: you know,
57:44
SPEAKER_00: who broke the tradition.
57:45
megan yeah what did she have like a chocolate ganache lemon and
57:49
elderflower like
57:51
pinterest she had one of those like ugly pinterest ass cakes
57:55
that had like sticks
57:56
falling off of it like like no whipped cream or like no
57:59
frosting on the sides kind
58:01
of yeah so you can see all the layers um or she worse would
58:04
have like a cupcake
58:06
SPEAKER_00: tower no
58:08
um and sometimes i'm i can totally channel megan hate i think
58:13
because i have a
58:13
british grandma my grandma thinks that megan's like the worst
58:15
thing that's happened
58:16
to the world since like the atom bomb um and when i hear about
58:21
her breaking
58:22
tradition with this wedding cake i'm kind of like why couldn't
58:24
you just have the
58:25
fruit cake it's like who fucking cares no one eats their own
58:28
wedding cake anyway i
58:29
SPEAKER_00: think
58:30
or it's like you have the traditional wedding cake yeah have
58:32
your other cake later
58:34
yeah have your have your cake and eat it too yeah have your
58:37
cake in private do you
58:38
want your pinterest cake in private do you want to know
58:41
something crazy which you
58:42
may know because you saw my notes what did you know that in
58:46
2016 someone auctioned
58:47
off at christie's yeah i keep you keep like scrolling past this
58:50
picture it's
58:50
SPEAKER_01: disgusting explain it
58:52
someone i guess in 1840 saved a piece of wedding cake from
58:57
queen victoria's wedding
58:58
kept it in a napkin for a hundred plus years more than that
59:03
like 180 years and sold
59:04
it for only well they didn't do it themselves it was sold for
59:07
two thousand dollars
59:08
in 2016 i can't even believe that somebody paid two thousand
59:13
dollars for that
59:13
in a I think also what's like the provenance I don't know I
59:17
think it like came with
59:18
the invitation or something but do you know what else was
59:21
auctioned off in 2016 can
59:22
you move the picture away it's so gross okay I'm going now to
59:26
this picture of show
59:27
SPEAKER_01: me the salmon olive regence
59:30
also in 2016 someone auctioned off a pair of Queen Victoria's
59:34
knickers which sold
59:34
for like $16,000 which again is like not that much yeah but
59:38
what pervert what rich
59:41
SPEAKER_01: pervert could pay more than $16,000 for that
59:44
i'm also like this underwear is you know it's like if someone
59:48
buys a pair of
59:48
underpants used now they're like they're touching your body but
59:53
like the thing
59:53
about queen victoria's underwear is they're like huge bloomers
59:56
so they're like
59:56
eight feet away from anything that might like what do you mean
59:59
when someone like if
1:00:00
SPEAKER_01: somebody like orders our panties on the internet maybe linepress.com shop
1:00:07
that is a good idea no just like i understand on some level why
1:00:15
people buy
1:00:16
underwear now because it's like touching the human body yeah
1:00:19
whereas queen victoria
1:00:20
was like not wearing tight fitting underwear they didn't have
1:00:23
elastic do you think
1:00:23
SPEAKER_00: whoever bought it gave it a whiff probably wouldn't you
1:00:28
SPEAKER_00: I would definitely never buy that.
1:00:29
SPEAKER_00: Do you know,
1:00:30
SPEAKER_00: and call me by your name when he,
1:00:31
SPEAKER_00: um,
1:00:31
SPEAKER_00: Timothy Jalamet puts,
1:00:33
SPEAKER_00: um,
1:00:33
SPEAKER_00: army hammers underwear on his head.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_00: They probably did that.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_00: That's so cute.
1:00:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:00:39
SPEAKER_00: Oh, Timmy.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_00: Do you want to hear about the most important part of the wedding?
1:00:44
no okay then the podcast is over and no one will ever know what
1:00:48
she wore yeah of
1:00:49
course what is it okay well let me rewind to a recent evening
1:00:54
that i spent um
1:00:55
SPEAKER_00: chatting casually with an old friend okay and like i'd run into her
1:00:59
and she was telling me how she went to a trivia night and she
1:01:03
was telling me what
1:01:04
some of the questions were she was saying it was a really hard
1:01:06
trivia night and
1:01:07
like some of them i was like how could anyone ever do that like
1:01:09
what like this
1:01:11
trivia night involved this insane thing where it was basically
1:01:14
a map of the new
1:01:15
york city subway system and then for a handful of stops on the
1:01:20
subway like 1 10th
1:01:22
SPEAKER_00: There would be a key.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_00: It would be like one 10th is associated with letter A.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_00: And then you go down to this other page,
1:01:28
SPEAKER_00: which is a bunch of headshots.
1:01:30
SPEAKER_00: And it would be like A is a photo of a woman.
1:01:33
And it would be like you had to figure out why she was
1:01:36
associated with 110.
1:01:37
It was because she was like the 110th woman in space or
1:01:40
something like that.
1:01:42
SPEAKER_00: It's like, who could ever do that?
1:01:44
SPEAKER_01: I don't get playing trivia for this reason.
1:01:46
SPEAKER_00: So that I was like, obviously I would never be able to do.
1:01:49
SPEAKER_00: The other question was like a real softball directly to me.
1:01:52
SPEAKER_00: It was who popularized the white wedding dress?
1:01:56
SPEAKER_00: And I was at Queen Victoria.
1:01:58
SPEAKER_00: And she was like, oh my God.
1:01:59
SPEAKER_00: And I felt so good.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:02:00
SPEAKER_00: It was such a layup for me.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_00: I felt amazing.
1:02:02
SPEAKER_00: Slumdog millionaire.
1:02:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
1:02:06
And it was a little too easy because I literally that morning
1:02:09
been watching this
1:02:09
SPEAKER_00: documentary about Queen Victoria's wedding.
1:02:12
But yes,
1:02:12
did you know that brides did not wear white until Queen
1:02:15
Victoria?
1:02:15
SPEAKER_00: What color did they wear?
1:02:17
SPEAKER_00: Well,
1:02:17
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what like an average person was wearing,
1:02:19
SPEAKER_00: but queens and princesses were wearing like heavily metallic,
1:02:25
SPEAKER_00: like embellished,
1:02:27
SPEAKER_00: red,
1:02:27
SPEAKER_00: gold,
1:02:28
SPEAKER_00: encrusted with gems.
1:02:30
SPEAKER_00: Oh, my.
1:02:30
yeah and so there's a lot of things like that so not only did
1:02:33
she wear white but
1:02:34
she also didn't wear fur she didn't wear a crown like she
1:02:38
because she came to him a
1:02:39
humble virgin exactly and like i think that's romantic i think
1:02:42
also but like having
1:02:43
white clothes was like a real like status symbol in the 19th
1:02:47
century because if you
1:02:48
SPEAKER_00: were wearing something white you also had to be able to clean it yeah
1:02:52
But a big part of the choice to wear white was because Victoria
1:02:58
was apparently an
1:02:59
SPEAKER_00: absolute fanatic for lace.
1:03:01
She spent over the course of her reign one million pounds in
1:03:04
today's pounds.
1:03:05
SPEAKER_00: One million pounds in today's Dallas.
1:03:10
SPEAKER_00: That's almost two million dollars.
1:03:13
SPEAKER_00: That's a lot of money on lace.
1:03:15
SPEAKER_00: Even for me.
1:03:17
my lace budget is enormous i think your lace budget might be
1:03:22
higher than most
1:03:22
people in the 21st century i know i had got that one piece of
1:03:27
lace recently but
1:03:28
that wasn't even very expensive yeah i don't think i've spent
1:03:31
very much on lace i
1:03:32
think you'd be surprised i am surprised so at the time you
1:03:37
really would go like you
1:03:39
SPEAKER_00: you would go to italy for lace or belgium
1:03:42
to get a piece of Burana lace which is what I got um but she
1:03:46
decided that her lace
1:03:49
would be British made homegrown homespun lace I do have this
1:03:55
image in my head of
1:03:56
like Irish girls with this beautiful long red hair like making
1:04:00
lace with their
1:04:01
SPEAKER_00: fingers turning bloody oh god but then how would the lace stay white
1:04:06
SPEAKER_00: No, this is just an image I have in my head.
1:04:08
SPEAKER_00: It's based on nothing.
1:04:10
SPEAKER_00: You should write a story with that image in mind.
1:04:13
So she decides to go to the local lacemakers in the town of
1:04:17
Beer in Devon.
1:04:19
SPEAKER_00: And over 200 lacemakers are employed to make the lace for her wedding.
1:04:23
SPEAKER_00: It's like a huge order.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_00: And her veil is laced.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_00: The flounce on her dress is laced.
1:04:29
And she decides to do white in part because she wants the
1:04:32
designs to really pop.
1:04:36
SPEAKER_00: And she also orders that the patterns for the lace be burned after.
1:04:40
SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool.
1:04:41
SPEAKER_00: So no one could ever have it again.
1:04:43
SPEAKER_01: They broke the mold with that one.
1:04:44
SPEAKER_00: Literally.
1:04:46
So the dress is also made of cream satin,
1:04:49
which was woven in,
1:04:50
how do you say this?
1:04:51
SPEAKER_00: Spittlefields?
1:04:52
SPEAKER_00: Battlefields?
1:04:53
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
1:04:54
SPEAKER_00: I think Spittlefields sounds right.
1:04:55
SPEAKER_01: I don't really know what that is.
1:04:56
SPEAKER_00: It's the historic silk center of London.
1:04:59
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes, of course.
1:05:00
SPEAKER_01: I don't really think of London itself as much of a historic silk center.
1:05:05
sort of you think of what freelance belgium exactly that's why
1:05:09
it's so radical that
1:05:10
she wore british stuff yeah um but of course what's so what i
1:05:15
love about the sort
1:05:16
of historic story of her decision to wear lace is that now i
1:05:22
think the idea in
1:05:23
popular culture is that women wear white to get married because
1:05:26
it's purity and
1:05:27
represented in their clothing and like oftentimes there's kind
1:05:31
of these like false
1:05:32
stories told about why women wear white that are like it's
1:05:37
actually because queen
1:05:38
victoria was like making a pr stunt to try to like seem like a
1:05:41
new new page in the
1:05:43
book of british monarchy and also because she wanted to wear
1:05:45
white lace and now
1:05:47
it's been like remade as something actually quite sexist and
1:05:51
demeaning which is a
1:05:52
SPEAKER_00: meaning it actually didn't have in the 19th century
1:05:55
um and i thought that was really a famous feminist of course
1:06:00
yeah um so there's
1:06:02
other aspects of her bridal garb um the she didn't wear a crown
1:06:10
and did she wear a
1:06:11
veil she wore a veil the lace veil and the dress had an 18 foot
1:06:14
long train
1:06:15
naturally um 18 feet pretty long she liked multiples of nine
1:06:20
what else a nine foot
1:06:22
SPEAKER_01: diameter cake
1:06:23
SPEAKER_00: oh yeah huh interesting that's about i don't know we should study that
1:06:28
numerologically i'm intrigued yeah um so she wears a wreath on
1:06:32
her head of orange
1:06:33
blossoms and myrtle and that orange blossoms are a symbol of
1:06:37
fertility and now
1:06:39
every bride since her has also in the royal family has always
1:06:42
had orange blossom
1:06:43
SPEAKER_01: symbolism do they wear tiaras or no
1:06:46
SPEAKER_00: Everyone else I think has worn tiaras.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_00: Did Megan.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_00: Megan wore a tiara.
1:06:49
SPEAKER_00: Kate.
1:06:50
SPEAKER_00: Well, Kate.
1:06:51
So the thing about Kate Middleton's wedding dress is it
1:06:53
actually does kind of look
1:06:54
SPEAKER_00: like Queen Victoria's.
1:06:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:06:56
So that was a big deal when she got married as people comparing
1:06:58
it to Queen Victoria.
1:06:59
SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
1:07:00
SPEAKER_00: But she's so much thinner.
1:07:02
SPEAKER_00: So much thinner.
1:07:02
SPEAKER_00: Though apparently Queen Victoria had huge boobs.
1:07:05
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah.
1:07:06
SPEAKER_01: She was like.
1:07:07
SPEAKER_00: She was a pretty round dump truck.
1:07:12
SPEAKER_00: Don't call my queens, queens, queens, grandma.
1:07:16
SPEAKER_00: So she wore diamonds, though.
1:07:18
SPEAKER_00: She wore these huge Turkish diamond rings and earrings,
1:07:22
SPEAKER_00: I think,
1:07:23
SPEAKER_00: that were given to her by the Turkish sultan.
1:07:25
SPEAKER_00: She wore a sapphire brooch that was given to her by Prince Albert.
1:07:29
SPEAKER_00: And she wore flat white satin slippers.
1:07:31
SPEAKER_00: Cute.
1:07:33
SPEAKER_00: And what's interesting is that she rewore this wedding wardrobe a lot.
1:07:37
SPEAKER_00: Which I know you're... It's a bit gauche.
1:07:40
SPEAKER_00: Well, it's kind of hilarious to me.
1:07:41
So she wore her lace flounce and veil for every one of her
1:07:45
children's christenings.
1:07:46
She also wore it to her children's weddings,
1:07:48
which I think is kind of...
1:07:50
That's gauche.
1:07:50
SPEAKER_00: That's gauche.
1:07:52
SPEAKER_01: And then... You can't wear your wedding dress to someone else's wedding.
1:07:56
SPEAKER_00: It's a psychopath.
1:07:57
thing to do and i were actually having a conversation about
1:08:00
this well cleo's
1:08:01
wedding dress wasn't white well yeah but even still she was
1:08:04
like i would never wear
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it to someone else's wedding it's it would be crazy it'd be
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crazy it's also crazy
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to wear it to someone's wedding who attended your wedding you
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know um well did you
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see the speculation when this comes out this past summer about
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kylie jenner's gray
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SPEAKER_00: dress that she wore to lauren sanchez's wedding what was the speculation
1:08:24
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, not speculation.
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SPEAKER_00: Scandal.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes.
1:08:28
SPEAKER_00: That she wore white, basically.
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SPEAKER_00: It was like a creamy gray.
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SPEAKER_01: But did Lauren Sanchez wear white?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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Which I know this is like probably my most retrograde and
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offensive opinion,
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but I really do not think that divorcees or mothers should wear
1:08:42
white to their
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SPEAKER_00: weddings.
1:08:42
SPEAKER_00: This is my biggest pet peeve.
1:08:44
SPEAKER_00: Really?
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SPEAKER_00: If it's a second marriage, you should not wear white.
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SPEAKER_00: What color should you wear?
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SPEAKER_00: Cream, maybe, but probably like yellow or pink.
1:08:51
SPEAKER_00: Yellow or pink.
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SPEAKER_00: I think it's so trashy.
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SPEAKER_00: I know that's so bad.
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SPEAKER_00: And,
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SPEAKER_00: but actually what's interesting is like,
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that's me accepting the like fantasy version of what it means
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to wear white,
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SPEAKER_00: you know?
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SPEAKER_00: Like the idea that it's purity.
1:09:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: But I think that you can say like,
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because obviously that purity is not like every person I know
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who's worn white to
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SPEAKER_01: their wedding was not a virgin.
1:09:11
SPEAKER_00: What?
1:09:12
SPEAKER_00: Everyone you know who's gotten married has had sex.
1:09:15
SPEAKER_00: Has had sex already.
1:09:16
SPEAKER_00: That is disgusting.
1:09:18
SPEAKER_01: It's disgusting.
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But I think there's still something nice about being like,
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I'm coming to you today.
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SPEAKER_01: Brand new.
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yeah and I think you can have that sentiment in a second
1:09:28
marriage as well instead
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of trying to like you know advance the cottage industry of lace
1:09:33
making in your
1:09:33
country I used to work for this photographer who was like
1:09:36
modern orthodox and he
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SPEAKER_01: when he decided he was going to marry his wife who's
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yeah i was like i know exactly who you're talking about i know
1:09:45
but i feel like i
1:09:45
shouldn't say that on the podcast either he burned all of his
1:09:50
clothes that he had
1:09:51
owned before they were ever together and went to like the
1:09:55
hasidic tailor and got
1:09:56
like three suits made and told her that he didn't want to ever
1:09:58
wear anything that
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SPEAKER_01: he had made before they were together that's really cute it's really cute
1:10:03
yeah i mean i get it yeah well so albert wore military dress
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like he wore a british
1:10:11
red coat and i think tory tory the british are coming down the
1:10:16
aisle the german guy
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pretending to be british is going down the aisle um and he what
1:10:22
a role playing
1:10:23
well what's interesting is like the duke of wellington speaking
1:10:25
of waterloo was at
1:10:26
the wedding and so i think albert who is like a 20 year old
1:10:29
dweeb from germany
1:10:30
who's not in the military wearing this outfit was like the duke
1:10:33
of wellington was
1:10:34
like throwing stones at him yeah i mean i think it was like
1:10:36
pretty audacious yeah
1:10:38
there was also some controversy where like parliament enacted a
1:10:42
salary for albert
1:10:43
but it was like only 30 000 pounds a year which i think is a
1:10:46
lot at the time but
1:10:47
SPEAKER_00: still victoria thought it was like not enough
1:10:49
yeah because of course we i won't talk about this in this
1:10:52
episode but we'll surely
1:10:53
talk about it in later episodes they enacted like very
1:10:56
traditional gender roles in
1:10:57
their home in their palace so she couldn't have like had more
1:11:01
income than him it
1:11:02
would have been bad yeah though her income was like every
1:11:05
colony in the world yeah
1:11:06
and he was like making thirty thousand dollars a year like
1:11:09
under he had the income
1:11:11
SPEAKER_01: of like a gamestop employee yeah
1:11:13
britain doubled in size um under queen victoria like she more
1:11:18
people were british
1:11:19
on earth than not british you know like i think i said last or
1:11:23
like a couple
1:11:24
episodes ago i think i said the land surface like it was like
1:11:27
three quarters of the
1:11:28
earth's land surface or something insane was the british empire
1:11:31
yeah so it's not
1:11:32
like that only that queen victoria was richer than him but that
1:11:35
every economy in
1:11:35
SPEAKER_00: the world was her economy
1:11:38
um but anyway she still was thrifty even though she spent a
1:11:41
million pounds on lace
1:11:42
she always rewore her wedding lace yeah here is a photograph of
1:11:46
victorian albert in
1:11:47
1854 is really giving or sorry victoria's really looks like
1:11:52
queen elizabeth in that
1:11:52
photo yeah i mean the profile but isn't this also so weird to
1:11:58
they put their
1:11:58
SPEAKER_00: wedding outfits back on for this portrait
1:12:01
no that's cute yeah they were like we have cameras now let's do
1:12:04
it again isn't that
1:12:06
and that's also I think like that it's so interesting to me
1:12:09
about how like she it's
1:12:10
SPEAKER_01: like haunting how much she looks like Elizabeth
1:12:13
yeah do you not find that to be true i mean that profile i mean
1:12:17
i think what you
1:12:18
see in the current generation of royal children is how no
1:12:22
matter how pretty a woman
1:12:23
you marry you cannot get that face out of the blood pool like
1:12:27
yeah the little kids
1:12:29
look exactly like this like they all look so intense but what i
1:12:33
was going to say
1:12:34
SPEAKER_00: generations of inbreeding yeah i don't think you can get that out no
1:12:38
but wait did i tell you when i was at the genetic counselor for
1:12:41
private reasons um
1:12:42
they were like is there any chance that your parents are
1:12:44
related like third or
1:12:45
fourth cousins and i was like well they do look an awful lot
1:12:48
alike what did they
1:12:49
SPEAKER_00: say they're like um we're not gonna write that down
1:12:54
But I also just think like the idea of Victoria and Albert
1:12:56
putting back on their
1:12:57
wedding clothes once photography was more popularized and
1:13:00
easier to access also
1:13:02
SPEAKER_00: fits into the story of like the wedding as a PR stunt.
1:13:05
SPEAKER_00: So it's like she had this famous painting made by Hayter,
1:13:08
SPEAKER_00: but then she also like needed to record it further.
1:13:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:13:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:13:12
so here are is here's another photo of her wearing her flounce
1:13:16
and her veil at her
1:13:17
diamond jubilee seen this photo that's in 1897 so a good the
1:13:21
lace is gorgeous it's
1:13:22
really beautiful it's actually like kind of broad i like like
1:13:25
it's not too delicate
1:13:27
um and then here's her wearing it she always wore it to the
1:13:29
christenings of her
1:13:30
children and this is her wearing it at the christening of her
1:13:33
great grandson is it
1:13:34
SPEAKER_01: like shrinking or is she getting bigger
1:13:37
i think she well as i famously said on the first episode of
1:13:39
this podcast when queen
1:13:41
victoria died her casket was apparently as wide as it was tall
1:13:47
but like i love this
1:13:48
photo because it's so late like i think she's almost dead here
1:13:52
she looks near dead
1:13:53
but like her i think it's her daughter and her granddaughter in
1:13:56
the background they
1:13:58
look like sergeant painting women like they look like women in
1:14:01
a sergeant painting
1:14:02
SPEAKER_00: they're yeah they look like edith wharton characters
1:14:04
yeah there's so much more contemporary and yet here is Queen
1:14:08
Elizabeth like 50
1:14:09
years later still wearing her flounce yeah I think it's like
1:14:13
really moving that is
1:14:14
moving and then she was also buried in her wedding veil so we
1:14:18
don't know what her
1:14:19
veil looked like now because it's in the ground with her but
1:14:22
here is this amazing
1:14:23
they'll dig it up at some point don't you think I mean I feel
1:14:26
like it's probably
1:14:27
SPEAKER_00: disintegrated I don't know oh that's true
1:14:29
SPEAKER_00: I don't really know what happens.
1:14:31
SPEAKER_01: Were they doing embalming at that?
1:14:32
SPEAKER_01: I guess it doesn't matter.
1:14:33
SPEAKER_00: What do you mean it doesn't matter?
1:14:35
SPEAKER_00: Because like also nothing we're doing matters.
1:14:39
No,
1:14:39
I mean it wouldn't affect if the veil disintegrated or not if
1:14:42
she was embalmed.
1:14:44
Well I think if she decomposed it would release gases that
1:14:49
might help disintegrate the veil.
1:14:51
I was talking about a dress what was that maybe like one of the
1:14:55
Medici's or
1:14:55
something had a dress that she was painted in and they exhumed
1:14:59
her to like because
1:15:00
the long-standing rumor was that she had been buried in this
1:15:03
very famous dress and
1:15:04
they exhumed her and thought that they had found it and then it
1:15:07
turned out not to
1:15:08
SPEAKER_01: be because the pat whatever it
1:15:10
but they like anyway here's a photo from the late 1890s of just
1:15:15
the veil and i love
1:15:17
a sort of it's like as if her figure was sort of like removed
1:15:22
from the photo it's
1:15:23
just like the veil on the chair it's kind of like speaking of
1:15:27
death like the really
1:15:28
SPEAKER_00: haunting death photos of babies where it's like
1:15:31
or just like photos of babies in general in the 19th century
1:15:34
where they like put a
1:15:35
rug on the woman's head while she's holding the baby so it's
1:15:37
just like a portrait
1:15:38
of the baby but it's like basically like someone zapped queen
1:15:41
victoria out of the
1:15:42
photo and it's just the veil hanging there but again really
1:15:45
beautiful really
1:15:46
beautiful and i would love to like someday put this in one of
1:15:48
our visual glossaries
1:15:49
okay to talk about at least um so do you want to hear what
1:15:55
queen victoria wrote
1:15:56
SPEAKER_00: about her wedding night mm-hmm
1:15:59
SPEAKER_01: Her daughter caught all the horny bits out of her diary, right?
1:16:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think it's all been, like, wiped, unfortunately.
1:16:06
SPEAKER_00: Her daughter, who was nicknamed Pussy.
1:16:10
SPEAKER_00: Ironically.
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SPEAKER_00: Ironically.
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SPEAKER_00: Quote, I have never, never spent such an evening.
1:16:16
SPEAKER_00: My dearest,
1:16:17
SPEAKER_00: dear Albert sat on a footstool by my side,
1:16:20
and his excessive love and affection gave me feelings of
1:16:23
heavenly love and
1:16:24
SPEAKER_00: happiness I never could have hoped to have before.
1:16:27
he clasped me in his arms and we kissed each other again and
1:16:31
again his beauty his
1:16:33
sweetness and gentleness really how can i ever be thankful
1:16:36
enough to have such a
1:16:37
husband oh this was the happiest day of my life that's so cute
1:16:42
do you think your
1:16:42
friends after they get married write stuff like this in their
1:16:44
journals they're like
1:16:47
SPEAKER_00: i'm blackout drunk right now maybe um i'll probably journal at my wedding
1:16:54
SPEAKER_00: At your wedding?
1:16:57
SPEAKER_00: I'll be like, Madeline, cover for me.
1:17:00
SPEAKER_01: During my speech, you'll journal.
1:17:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:17:03
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you're going to give such a riveting presentation.
1:17:06
SPEAKER_00: They won't even notice that I've slipped out of the room.
1:17:08
SPEAKER_00: No, I would definitely stay in the room for your speech.
1:17:10
SPEAKER_00: That's a nice kind of you to say.
1:17:12
SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of the end of the story for me on what happened in 1840.
1:17:18
SPEAKER_00: But I have one last quote to finish this off.
1:17:20
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:17:21
SPEAKER_00: It's from Charles Dickens.
1:17:23
SPEAKER_00: So he wrote society.
1:17:25
SPEAKER_00: This is like on the occasion of the wedding.
1:17:26
SPEAKER_00: He wrote to a friend a letter.
1:17:28
SPEAKER_00: Society is unhinged here by her majesty's marriage.
1:17:32
And I am sorry to add that I have fallen hopelessly in love
1:17:35
with the queen.
1:17:35
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
1:17:37
SPEAKER_00: And so to our friend Emily,
1:17:39
SPEAKER_00: I hope that even Charles Dickens is in love with you on your wedding day.
1:17:43
SPEAKER_00: I'm honestly in love with the queen.
1:17:46
SPEAKER_00: Is that not awesome?
1:17:47
SPEAKER_00: That's so cute.
1:17:48
SPEAKER_00: So I think let's say this is a royal wedding that worked.
1:17:51
SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you for giving me this vision of a happy marriage.
1:17:55
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
1:17:56
SPEAKER_00: I hope that we too have a successful marriage.
1:17:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you and I. Will you marry me?
1:18:03
SPEAKER_00: No.
1:18:03
SPEAKER_01: You're the queen.
1:18:04
SPEAKER_01: I can't propose to you.
1:18:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:18:05
SPEAKER_01: You have to ask me.
1:18:06
There are a couple of people who are going to step in your way
1:18:08
and say that's not allowed.
1:18:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:18:10
SPEAKER_00: Well, I hope you guys liked this.
1:18:13
SPEAKER_00: Bye, everyone.
1:18:14
SPEAKER_00: Bye.