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ANGELS MAILBAG: What three moves would you make if you were the Halos' GM? · Halo Territory: A Los Angeles Angels Podcast

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Well, hey Angel fans, and welcome to Halo Territrea.
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: Mike D.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Gievanna, former La Times baseball writer and host of the show,
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: joined by my regular co host Mark Trumbo, the former
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: Angel slugger, and we are going to crack open the
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: mail bag today. It's been too long. There's been a
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: big demand for it, so we're gonna do it today.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: But first, I had a few thoughts about Monday's ten
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: inning loss to the Houston Astros. You know, I thought
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: that game was actually lost on Sunday when the Angels
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: used Chase Silseth, one of their two best relievers, in
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  Speaker 1: the eighth inning of a game they were leading by
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: seven runs. Had he not pitched, they would have had
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: Silseth and Bachmann available to pitch the eighth the ninth
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: inning on Monday night. Instead, they go with Kirby Yates
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: in the ninth two. Why does Kurtzuzuki, the manager, keep saying, quote,
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: we signed Kirby Yates to be our closer, and we're
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: gonna give him a chance to close. He said it
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: again after Yates blew another save Monday night. As far
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: as I recall, the Angels are expecting Ben Joyce to
• 1:09
  Speaker 1: be their closer going into the season.
• 1:10
  Speaker 2: He of course is hurt, but.
• 1:12
  Speaker 1: At this point Yeats is at best your third best
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: option in that bullpen behind Silseth and Sam Bachman. He
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: should not be closing games three. I'm not sure why
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: Logan Hoppy was given the error on that tenth inning
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: top of the tenth inning play where Josel Twuovay tagged
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  Speaker 1: and scored on a pop up the shallow center field
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: that second basement Nick Madgill caught. You know, we've gotten
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: on o'happy a lot this year for his offense and defense.
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  Speaker 1: But Madrigal's throw home was online, but it took a
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  Speaker 1: really wicket in between hop and bounced fast o'hopy. I
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  Speaker 1: think that would have been an extremely difficult pick for
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  Speaker 1: any catcher, so it seemed unfair that he got the air.
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  Speaker 1: Fourth and last, the Angels are a bad baseball team,
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  Speaker 1: so they need to do all the little things right
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: to win most games. They did not. Monday Night Astros
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: Bryce Matthews leads off the top of the tenth with
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: a bunt that is clearly going fouled on the third
• 2:09
  Speaker 1: base line. Denzer Guzen picks it up before it rolls foul.
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  Speaker 1: He's got no play at first Astros have runners on
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  Speaker 1: first and third, no outs. I know Guzman doesn't have
• 2:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of experience at third base, but I think
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: he's played there enough to know that you need to
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  Speaker 1: let that ball roll foul. Finally, look at the replay
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  Speaker 1: of Mike Trout getting thrown out of the plate in
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: the bottom of the tenth. He was trying to score
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: on Jose Series' leadoff single the left field. He literally
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: dives over the bat of Siri on his way to
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  Speaker 1: the plate, and that bat, in my mind, should have
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: been cleared by on deck hitter Joe Adell.
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  Speaker 2: It was not.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I'm not saying Trout scores on that play if
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: the bat's not there, but if it wasn't, I think
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  Speaker 1: at least takes one obstacle out of the way of
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  Speaker 1: Trout as he's trying to score. As far as Gump
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: would say, is all I have to say about that.
• 3:03
  Speaker 1: Mark Trumbo and he thoughts about Monday Night, you just.
• 3:08
  Speaker 3: Gave Sleeper Angels a whole bunch of content. I'll tell
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  Speaker 3: you that much I thought that there was. I won't
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  Speaker 3: go point by point, but I will say what stood out.
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  Speaker 3: I oh, happy he took the criticism. It seems like
• 3:23
  Speaker 3: he put a ton on himself. I know others pointed
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  Speaker 3: it out that was not on him. That was not
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  Speaker 3: a good throw. Nick Madrigal was back pedaling on that ball,
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  Speaker 3: and I think the real, the real credit goes to
• 3:34
  Speaker 3: Jose Al tu Bay. I'm assuming he made that read
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  Speaker 3: on his own. Why it was a good play. It
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: appeared reckless. Yes, he could have very well been out.
• 3:43
  Speaker 3: That game would have been tied going another into the
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  Speaker 3: bottom half.
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  Speaker 2: Of the inning. Who was coming up to hit was
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  Speaker 2: the ninth ninth hitter.
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  Speaker 3: We've calling Price the catcher, very light hitting catcher at
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  Speaker 3: that So you're going to rely on somebody who's somewhat
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  Speaker 3: of an automatic out to come up with aig to
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  Speaker 3: out hit for you, or you can make someone make
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  Speaker 3: a play, put pressure on him. There's nobody in the
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  Speaker 3: league that is more likely to do something like that
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  Speaker 3: than Jose Al Tuove played winter ball with him in
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  Speaker 3: twenty ten.
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  Speaker 2: I've known him a long time.
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  Speaker 3: That screams him. I think he made a decision. It
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  Speaker 3: may have been somewhat to do with Madrigal's arm, which
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  Speaker 3: isn't bad. There was a lot on that throw it
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  Speaker 3: just you're either going to want to long hop the
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  Speaker 3: catcher or you're going to get it there in the air.
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  Speaker 3: The ball bounce in the grass a very awkward spot,
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  Speaker 3: and the catcher doesn't have the luxury of creating a
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  Speaker 3: hop like an infielder on a relay. He's got to
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  Speaker 3: do the best he can. And I don't even even
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  Speaker 3: the best defensive catcher, I doubt they make that play
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  Speaker 3: half the time. I think it's even less than that.
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  Speaker 3: And it's very lucky. If you do and apply to tag,
• 4:48
  Speaker 3: people are like, oh, the Astros catcher, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: totally different angle, much better online throw, better hop. And
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  Speaker 3: as far as Adele, I think he was coaching play.
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  Speaker 3: That would be my big criticism. If he weren't doing that.
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  Speaker 3: He was sometimes I think the umpire should be getting
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  Speaker 3: that bad out of the way, but it's a it's
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  Speaker 3: a tough play. I don't I don't fault third base
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  Speaker 3: coach Keith Johnson for the send either. I think the
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  Speaker 3: outfield arm rates I looked it up rates his average
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  Speaker 3: fringe average A very good athlete's Matthews out there.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember who the left fielder.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, very you know maybe one of the best
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  Speaker 3: throws he's made in a long time, and that's what
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  Speaker 3: it took to win the game. I I Kirby Yates,
• 5:37
  Speaker 3: the stuff is just really tough. Kurt is right, and
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: he has been very effective against right handed hitters, actually
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  Speaker 3: quite dominant. I was very surprised. Now left handers, it's
• 5:46
  Speaker 3: a totally different story. Ops over one thousand and teams
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  Speaker 3: are going to do what they can to get as
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  Speaker 3: many lefties up against him. If they haven't unloaded their
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  Speaker 3: bench already. It's going to be very tough if you
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  Speaker 3: can't find a little more of strategy to combat left
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  Speaker 3: handed bats, because right now it's very lopsided. And again
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  Speaker 3: another that's where I think the Angels, you know you
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  Speaker 3: want to point to anything in extra Indians, I think
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  Speaker 3: they needed to secure that in regulation and they were
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  Speaker 3: unable to.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, onto the mail bag from Riley Breckinridge of
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  Speaker 1: Orange already fires Perry and gives you the keys as GM,
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  Speaker 1: what are your first three roster moves if you're trying
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  Speaker 1: to build this organization and anything other than what it's
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  Speaker 1: been for a decade plus, I'm gonna let you start
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  Speaker 1: Mark now.
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  Speaker 3: Hot Tomaly is meant for a scribe. That's you, good
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  Speaker 3: friend Riot for context Riley drummer in the band Thrice
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  Speaker 3: and on Baseball Podcast, this question was not meant to
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  Speaker 3: be easy, and that's why it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is not easy, and I'll only I mean, I
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: have to kind of go with the roster as it
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: is currently constituted with guys on the you know, guys
• 6:54
  Speaker 1: are hurt, there's all sortain. The roster is a breathing organism,
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: living breathing thing, and right now.
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  Speaker 2: It is question is not meant to shuffle rolls either. Okay.
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: I first would try everything in my power to trade
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: Mike Trout. I think the Angels owe it to him.
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  Speaker 1: If that means eating sixty five percent of the remaining
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: money on that contract and getting two decent prospects in return,
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  Speaker 1: that's the first thing I would do. I would get
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  Speaker 1: his buy in, you know, and just frame it as
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  Speaker 1: it should be. You know, we're not going anywhere over
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: the next year or two. We want Mike Trout to
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: play in October. We're doing this for him. Maybe you
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: get a young, controllable big leaguer and a pretty decent prospect.
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  Speaker 1: I know the Hall is not going to be like
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  Speaker 1: Juan Soto and some of those other deals that have
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  Speaker 1: been made. But I think you have to at least try. Second,
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  Speaker 1: I would trade Jose Siriano for you know, whatever, you
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  Speaker 1: not whatever you could get for him, but if you
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  Speaker 1: can get once again one or two decent prospects, I
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  Speaker 1: would do that.
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  Speaker 2: To me.
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  Speaker 1: I look at like Urania and even read Detmer's as
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  Speaker 1: guys who are on the rise. Still, I think right
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  Speaker 1: now what we saw in April is the best you're
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: gonna get out of Hosey Soreano. You're talking about a
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: two time Tommy John guy. I'm not sure his value
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  Speaker 1: is going to get any higher, and I'm not sure
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  Speaker 1: you're gonna get much more out of him. Third, I would, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and I hate to say this, but I would. I
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  Speaker 1: would option Logan Hoppy to triple A, just to clear
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  Speaker 1: his head, try to get him on track. I see
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  Speaker 1: your eyes, what you want both moves. You know I'm
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  Speaker 1: the GM. I would uh, you know, try to get
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  Speaker 1: his bat going to against some you know, lesser pitching,
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  Speaker 1: build some confidence and just you know, put a pin
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  Speaker 1: in that pressure balloon that he seems to feel, and
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  Speaker 1: you could feel it in his comments last night. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: his frustration level has got to be off the charts,
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  Speaker 1: So that would be what I would do. Those are
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  Speaker 1: my three moves. Thank goodness, Riley, you only wanted three.
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  Speaker 2: What do you got? Mark? Good answer?
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  Speaker 3: I not gonna Mine would be moving the most attractive
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  Speaker 3: pieces and moving them for the best hall that you
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  Speaker 3: can get, and that would be Jose Soriano.
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  Speaker 2: Could see him, you know, looking.
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  Speaker 3: Quite nice in a Braves uniform, for example, Joe Adele.
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  Speaker 3: And the shortstop would be the guys that I would offer. Now,
• 9:18
  Speaker 3: you don't want to get fleeced so rightfully, So with
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  Speaker 3: a guy like Zach you can ask for a haul.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it should be a sky high price and
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  Speaker 3: maybe somebody comes and is willing to meet it. The
• 9:31
  Speaker 3: player I think people really want and teams would salivate
• 9:35
  Speaker 3: over the most would probably be Redebtner's right now, probably
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  Speaker 3: going to be my answer to another question.
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  Speaker 2: So I believe that.
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  Speaker 3: But and you know what, when I said it the
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: other day, we only get one take at this. So
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  Speaker 3: I said rebuild. People took issue with no team is
• 9:51
  Speaker 3: going to come out and say rebuild. You're probably correct
• 9:54
  Speaker 3: about that. Whatever other adjective you want to use, going
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: you know, retool, restructuring, rebranding, whatever, I get it. No
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: team might say the word rebuild, but there's no evidence
• 10:07
  Speaker 3: that this team. People have also said it's quite obvious
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: they're doing it. I'm not so sure about that. You
• 10:13
  Speaker 3: can say, yes, their payroll is less, but unless I
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: see the minor league system greatly improved through trading major
• 10:22
  Speaker 3: league assets, I don't see a rebuild. So that's where
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  Speaker 3: I stand.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: All right, We're going to take a quick break for
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• 10:31
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• 11:35
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Hallo Territory with Mike Di Giovanno, Mark
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: TRUMBOE and we're doing an Angel's mail bag today from
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: Mary Panasian of Montebello. Mary, and I see what you
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: did there, and that was pretty pretty pretty slick with
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: all the buzz around potential trades, would you rather the
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: Angels sew anyone and everyone and finally lean into a
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: proper rebuild this year? The White Sox and Rockies are
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: clearly headed in the right direction. Why our halos are
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: circling the drinin I'll go ahead and start on this one.
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: I would not sell everyone, because I think the angel
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: still have some young pieces that you will want to
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: have on your team moving forward. They're guys like Reed
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: det Meer's, Wilbert Urania, Sam Bachman. These are the types
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: of guys you want to get back in trades for
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: major league talent. So I would not trade everyone, But honestly,
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: I look at the roster. I don't see anyone else
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: on that roster right now, including Netto, including Joe Adell,
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: certainly including Mike Trout. As I've said that I would
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: not be listening on in terms of trades.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 3: I guess the first question kind of handled or answered that.
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: You know, the name that never comes up in these
• 12:49
  Speaker 3: talks is first Basemen Nolan SChannel Shnowell. Sorry, I did
• 12:54
  Speaker 3: what the Dodgers pronounce it, Shaan A Well, you get
• 12:58
  Speaker 3: pounced by you know, certain someone if you so Seanwell,
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: I I it's not necessarily a criticism, but his name
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  Speaker 3: almost never gets mentioned in trade talks, and I kind
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  Speaker 3: of wonder, you know, if he's a big piece and
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: YadA YadA, you know, some teams.
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  Speaker 2: Might have interest.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, I think it's just I've said on
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  Speaker 1: the show many times, this ceiling for me is just
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: too low for a team looking to trade for an
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  Speaker 1: impact guy. I like him as a player. I think
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  Speaker 1: he has more upside than he's shown. Like I said,
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: maybe not a number eight hitter, but certainly you know,
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  Speaker 1: a six seven hitter on a decent team. I think
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: Sean Sean Well would be a good fit from Barry
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: in you Kaipa, if you could bring back one former
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: Angel to the current clubhouse for leadership and mentorship, who
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: would it be? And why I'm gonna let you start
• 13:50
  Speaker 1: on this one Mark this is I have to admit,
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: this is a tough question.
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: It is tough, and it's made tougher because of the
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  Speaker 3: fact that he's sometimes there. But Torrian is the name
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  Speaker 3: that came to mind, and foremost he's there some of
• 14:04
  Speaker 3: the time, but I think it's closer to rarely than not.
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  Speaker 3: And he has contributed for sure. He just exemplified to
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  Speaker 3: me what a big league leader is and was, and
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: they haven't had anything close to him since in my opinion,
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: and after losses, I mean, he took it hard, he
• 14:26
  Speaker 3: was pissed and set the tone. He also knew how
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: to celebrate the you know, the right way, and you
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: just really looked at him as somebody who had it together.
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  Speaker 3: This is a guy that knows how to compete, knows
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: how to win, and you want to follow his leadership,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what we did, or that's what I tried
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  Speaker 3: to do.
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  Speaker 2: I think that it's sorely missed.
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  Speaker 1: I wished I would have had, you know, a picture
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: and a physician player to answer this question. When if
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: I did, I would have picked Troy Percival and Darren Erstad.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: Troy person was about his tough nosed ballplayer and the
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: fact that he was a closer. You know, he's obviously
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: not involved in the in the bulk of the game,
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  Speaker 1: but he set the tone for that pitching staff when
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  Speaker 1: he was there. He set the attitude. There was no
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: messing around.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: He took losses as hard as anybody. But since I
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: wouldn't pick a pitcher for that role, I gotta go
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  Speaker 1: with Ersty. Darren was not the world's most vocal leader,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think there's a better guy to set
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  Speaker 1: an example, whether you're a veteran, a rookie, you know,
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  Speaker 1: an arbitration eligible guy for playing the game the right way,
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: for being accountable, for playing hard nose, for going all out.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Then Darren Urstad, he was once again those teams in
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  Speaker 1: the World Series, team, the teams throughout the late nineties
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  Speaker 1: after he came up. He was the personality of that team.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: The way he look at the way he ran the bases,
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: look at the way he played defense. He was a
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: gold glover at first base in center field. I don't
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: think that's ever been done. And he just he didn't
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: put up with any crap. You know, if a guy
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: needed to be talked to on the team, he was
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  Speaker 1: talked to. That team had a lot of good leaders,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Gary DiSarcina, Chili Davis comes to mind, But
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  Speaker 1: to me it would be ersty from Roddy ho and Irvine,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Mike and Mark. Why do you think the Angels are
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: just now preaching using the whole field? Gooby and Wayne
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: are all about it on the broadcast too. Did somebody
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: finally wake up with the epiphany that using one third
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: or less of the available outfield it's not the greatest strategy.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: What do you think, Mark, Roddy Well, I think that
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  Speaker 3: it seemed like the game the no hitter that was
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  Speaker 3: broken up and laugh and Grissom had some comments on
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  Speaker 3: it that seemed to be the start of it for me,
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  Speaker 3: and he spoke up in the team meeting I guess
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: maybe the scouting report the next day, and they had
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: him talk a little bit about why he thought that that.
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  Speaker 2: Was a valuable tool.
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  Speaker 3: I truthfully, it's a little bit surprising that it seems
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: to be something that's only now embraced, as they've played
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: plenty of other teams that do a very good job
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: of it. I remember some of their earlier games too,
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: the Cubs. They are now struggling, but they singled the
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Angels to death. It was lousy weather in Chicago and
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: they were taking their hits. I think that's one thing
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: that the Angels, and I know that Perry has talked
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: about there's more than one way to get ops numbers
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: up to where they are, but part of that is
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: heading for a higher batting average. And I believe you
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: cannot be a dead pole hitter and reasonably expect to
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: hit for the same average that you might be able
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: to if use the whole field. I don't know if
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: some guys are just stumbling into it and realizing, hey,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: it's pretty cool there are some hits over there. It
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: sounds like lunacy, but maybe that is something that at
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: least in the minor league system they have just haven't experienced,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: and they've just been taught to lift in the air,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: lift in the air, poll in the air, pulling the air.
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: I think it's pounded into your head enough. Maybe you
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: don't think it's anything else, is something that you should
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: be looking to do, but they they fortunately, you know,
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: better light than ever.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, the old phrase necessity is the mother invention,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: mother of invention comes to mind for me here. I
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: think there was a change in personnel. You had Wade
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Meckler coming up. You had Donovan Walton come up to
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: really more contact, get on base kind of guy, kinds
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: of guys. Now, Nick Madrigal's playing a little more. He's
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: a feisty hitter in the box. Solera, one of the
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: biggest free swingers on the team is no. You know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: he's hurt. Looks like he's gonna be down for a month,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: if not more so. I think they sort of saw
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the light in that. Hey uh, you know they had
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: a couple that that sweep over the Rangers in Anaheim.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: They they they moved, you know, they kept the train
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: moving with a lot of those rallies. And I think,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you know, I remember asking Kurt after that game if
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you can actually put more pressure on teams when you
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: single and double him to death, and with a few
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: walks mixed in there, because you're putting pressure on the pitcher,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: pitcher storing out of the stretch, guy on third base,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: catcher feels more pressure to block balls in the third.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: You just put that constant pressure on teams instead of,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: you know, going for home runs all the time. I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: think they I think it was more triggered by a
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: personnel change than necessary and then necessarily saying, oh, you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a light bulb going off over their head from Leon
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Black and Stanton Mark. He played with some incredible talent
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: in Anaheim. Who's the most underrated current Angel on the
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: roster right now and why should fans be excited about them?
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I like this question.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Read debtmers, and I think that it is he underrated.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I think around the league. I don't think he's a
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: household name. I think recently he's pitched extraordinarily. I know
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: one of the commenters and on the YouTube side said
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: that the Angel fan base may not give him enough
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: credit or let I mean, I've always been a huge
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: fan of his, and I said earlier, I think I'm
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: certain that many teams would love to have him, and
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: possibly kind of a bi low thing like he's you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: not quite sure. I believe Clayton Kershaw told Gooby, does
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: this guy have any clue how good he is? I
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: got that wrong, Sorry, but I believe that is what
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: was said. And that's a guy Clayton Kershof future Hall
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: of Famers saying, Hey, I mean, this guy's he's got
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: the goods, he's got all the pitches. It's a matter
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: of kind of putting it together. But recently it seems
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: to you know, he's out there. He's doing quite well.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: He's far more aggressive. Looks like the kind of the
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: bullpen version we saw last year, going right at guys.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: And I think a lot of teams would love to
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: have him, I'd say, and last time I will say.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: That, but around the league a little bit underrated in
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: my opinion.
• 20:42
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  Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to Hello Territory with Mike D. Giovanna
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and Mark Trumbo. We got the Angels mail bag from
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Patmyas and Rancho Cucamonga and this one's for me. Honest
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: take on zach Netto's development. Is he a future face
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: of the franchise and how does his ceiling compare to
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: some of the great shortstops you've seen? Well, my goodness, Pat,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I been in this business for forty five years, so
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of great shortstops. There's been some
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: offensive just studs like a Rod Cory Seeger, and then
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: you have some all around guys, clutch guys like Derek Jeter,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Barry Larkin Hall of Famer, and then I look at
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the defensive whizzes like Ozzie Smith, Omar Vasquell Andrelton Simmons.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So I don't think his ceiling offensively or defensively is
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: anywhere near those guys. And I don't think, you know,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: he's in a class like Bobby Wood Junior and maybe
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Gunner Henderson or even Francisco Lindor when he's healthy and
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: playing well today. If I were to I looked at
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: some comps, I think he has the potential. You know,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Zack is a twenty twenty five homer guy a year,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: which is great. He's got to cut down his strikeouts.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: For me, I think he's leading the American League with
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: eighty nine right now. He has to get more consistently
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: consistent defensively, and I think approach has to be more
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: consistent as well. We've seen him kind of go in
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and out mentally in certain situations. But I look at
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: a guy like Jimmy Rollins seven forty three career ops,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I think that's attainable for zach Netto in his prime,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: a twenty to twenty homer eighty RBI guy. I think
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that's definitely within reach. And then maybe a guy like
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Troy Tulowitzki, who granted, I think benefited from Colorado's atmosphere
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: for a while. He had an eight fifty six career
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: ops and in his prime he was a twenty five homer.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Ninety RBI guy.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: So maybe, you know, certainly not Hall of Fame caliber,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: maybe not top three, four five in the game, but
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: I think he still has the potential to be one
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: of the top five short stops. From Raoul Ignacio mark,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: who would you like to see the Angels bring up
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: from the minor leagues to bolster a shaky bullpen.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: I think that there's not an easy answer, because Sammy
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: and Terror Junior was my answer, and he's now up
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: in the big leagues. If there was somebody else, if
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: they needed it right now, a power arm to come
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: in and they were making a playoff push George Glassen
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: would be my answer, but as that's not exactly what
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: is called for despite the fact they are struggling with
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: the bullpen, I don't Sammy and Terror.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: What would be the answer that I would give? And
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: he's already up.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: So yeah, from D Soloway and Coasta Mesa, Mike, great
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: job and the interviews lately, well thanks D. There's an
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: art to ask the athletes questions. How do you approach
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: trying to get thoughtful responses? And is there any advice
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: for dealing with players slash managers who might blow a
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: gasket if they don't like the topic. If I were
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: like giving this advice to a young journalist, my advice
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: would be one, don't beat timid. If you show any
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: signs of fear or hesitation, they're gonna just They're gonna
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: each you up.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Just be confident.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Uh, then be direct, you know, I don't beat around
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: the bush. I hate questions that start with the word obviously,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: And I've said this to many young writers. I still
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: hear it every day out of the park. It tries
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: me nuts. Obviously, logan, you're not trying to miss that ball.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: So what happened? You know, just say, Logan, it look
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: like a really tough hop. What happened on that play?
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Did you feel like you had a chance to make
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the play? Very simple, very direct, That's how I would
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: approach it. Uh and and just in general, you know,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: try to have more of a conversation, a conversation with
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: these guys and to turn it into a Q and ah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Here's one from Halo Honk Roger. I'm not sure what
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: we're going forward that handle. Fans are loving Wade Meckler's
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: energy and grit so far. What do you see as
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: his long term role in this team? And is he
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a spark plug we can build the wrong What do
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: you think Mark?
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: So far, so good. I think he's brought much needed
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: energy to the team. He's played a nice left field
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: that he and his ad bats have been very competitive.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: He hasn't looked overmatched at all. The statistics are still
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: holding up quite nicely. And you know, the attitude as
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: much as anything. He's just we've not gonna beat the
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: horse to death. But very gritty ballplayer, very serious ballplayer,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: kind the kind of guy I really like watching. He
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: looks like someone that's taking very professional at bats and
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: if I were, you know, managing a team, I'd be
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: quite happy with what I see out of him.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: From tarts Off twenty twenty six. Mike, you've covered the
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: team for decades. What's the biggest difference between the Angels
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: squad and the competitive teams from the Trout Simmons pool
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Holes Sarah. I'm gonna guess this is a really young fan,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: maybe because those Trout Simmons pool Holes era teams weren't
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: always competitive going into the late two thousand teams or whatever,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: whatever the heck you call decade, So I'll sort of
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: go back to the first decade of this century. Guy,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: That makes me feel old, But I'm not. This team
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: when I compare to the team that won five division
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: titles from four to nine, that won the World Season
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: O two, just lacks an identity in general. You know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: those teams just they were Mike's Sosia clearly Mike's Sosia teams.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: They played fearlessly, They've played aggressively on offense, on defense,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: pitched aggressively, and they just had that kind of identity.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: This team does not have the pitching depth. A little
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: better in the rotation this year, but not enough. Definitely
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: not in the bullpen. Think of those great well, the
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: two team had one of the best deepest bullpens in
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: recent baseball history, and most of those teams throughout that
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: you know, run from four and oh nine had just
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: really deep, versatile and effective bullpens. And they're not as
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: sound fundamentally.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: As I mean.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: There's really no other way of putting it. And Monday
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Nights game was another good example. All these little things
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: they add up. I don't know if it's coaching, if
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: it's a system thing, if it's a development thing, but
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of the guys they've brought up just don't
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: seem ready for the big leagues. So that's how I'd
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: answer that from mister Flusac. Is there a reason the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Angels can't go to a four man rotation when there
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: is an off day? I did the math, and if
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: they did that, they would only need a fifth starter
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: three more times before the All Star Break. Do managers
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: feel that sometimes they need five days rest? I got
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: a simple answer for that one. Yeah, extra rest for
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: a starter. Look at the Dodgers, They've had a six
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: man rotation now for years. I think most teams prefer
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to give pictures an extra day rest.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: What do you think mark four man rotation? That's old school? Huh?
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Do you go to Jim Pilo for that one?
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: I Walbert Urana, Jose Sano two times, Tommy John Grayson
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Rodriguez as a screen forum and.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Rotation, No, not at all.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: You have to look I got to look out for him.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: So while the question was thoughtful, I'm going to have
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: to say, I don't think this is a strategy for
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: this club.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Correct. I agree? A question for me.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: If Mike's Sosha became a legendary manner manager for the Angels,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: then why didn't the Dodgers ever give Sosia a shot
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: at being the Dodgers manager? From what I recall, after
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Tommy la A Lasorda retired, it was like a rotating
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: door for the Dodger managers, hiring a new one every
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: two to three years. And he's right. I went back
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: and looked. Kevin Malone was hired as a Dodgers GM,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and I believe it was ninety eight, and then he
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: hired Davey Johnson to be their manager. And at that time,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Mike's social was he was on the Dodgers' staff. I
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: believe under a big league staff and then he went
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: to manage Triple A Albuquerque, and I went back and
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: found a quote from Mickey Hatcher, of all people, who
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: was also on that staff, and he said, we felt
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: that Kevin Malone and his group of people didn't want
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: to have any Dodger people involved because they wanted it
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to be their organization and their system, which is normal
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: in any situation. But I felt, as a coach and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: a former player in that system that we were getting
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: pushed out. When Mike was managing in Triple A, it
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: was controlled. They were trying to control everything Mike did.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: So this was probably the best move for Mike, this
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: being him taking the Angels job in two thousand. We
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: used to joke with Mike Soshio all the time that
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: he was a bit of a control freak. Former columnist TJ.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Simers would get under his skin with that question all
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the time. But I think there is some truth to it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Mike's Soshia wanted to control of things from the top
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: to the bottom of the organization because he knew what
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the hell he was doing and it worked for a
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: long long time, So I don't blame him. And that's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: all I got for that one, And the last question
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: bounced ball one oh one. Is it even remotely possible
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: for the Angels to bring back Mike Sooshia in some
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: capacity consultant, GM, manager, president or vice president?
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: Mark in theory, Sure, I think it is. I don't
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: one thing. It seems I don't know how. This is
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: a tougher question because it seems like there could be
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: no interest on either side. If asked, maybe he'd be
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: more than willing to come and help out. But it's
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: a tough deal because he's had so much success. I
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: think a lot of well, any manager, especially a younger manager,
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: would feel quite intimidated by that.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: But then, well they're not having any success.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: But Bruce Bocci is helping out up in San Francisco,
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: where you know another general manager, and well, I guess
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: Buster Posey is shouldering a lot of the criticism there, but.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: There's somebody else that's getting some as well. Well.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I think so it should be a great presence. He'd
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: be a great addition anywhere, maybe working with catchers. One
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: thing I wanted to say about Logan, he has improved.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: He gives some a video interview.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: That was you know, you feel honestly you feel bad.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: He's really really wearing it, obviously, but he has improved
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: his new catching stance.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I've seen better blocking.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: I think it'd be remiss not to mention that he
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: looks He looks better in that regard, at least to me.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I worry about his exposed hand, but I think there's
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: just trade offs to try and and he is trying everything.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: It's not as if he's not trying. That's that would
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: probably be a bigger issue if there was no adjustments
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: or discernible adjustments being made. So, getting off on a
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: little bit of a tangent, I don't think the current
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: general manager probably wants Mike Sosha involved. The formula right
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: now is the polar opposite of what they used to employ,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: so there's no compatibility there, and I think it would
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: take some of the you know, maybe stealing a bit
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: of his thunder. So for that reason, I don't think so.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree on the Perry Venasian factor. I
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: think as long as he's a GM, there's no way
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Mike Sosha comes back. I think it'd be great if
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: he did in some capacity. I think Jeff Fletcher figured
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: this out. Mike's Soosha and myself were the longest tenured
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: manager and beat writer to be together. It was like
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: eighteen years or whatever it was, whatever, we were there,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and as you can guess, you know, there were times
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: where we butted ahead. When you spend that much time
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: together with one manager and one writer, that's naturally going
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: to happen. But I really respect the heck out of
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Mike's Sosha. I think at the end of his career
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: things were just spiraling downward.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: They started running through gms.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of philosophical difference, differences with guys
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: like Jerry Depoto. He butted heads with a lot of
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: guys and they did seem to be a need for
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: change at that time. But man, when you look back what.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: He was doing work.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: It's an old school style of baseball that is not
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: played that much today. But as much as I would
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: love to see it, I just don't see that happening.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: And that one thing I know you want to end.
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  Speaker 3: But there was a sack bun. The Angels are attempting
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: to bunt a bit more, but it is rough, it's stabby,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm curious what is going on with that. I
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  Speaker 3: understand why they're I guess, trying to do it, but
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: it looks like a lot more practice might be needed.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've noticed, but it doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that goes back to the fundamentals
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  Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. You know, that's another one of
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: those little little things that can become a big thing
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: when you don't get the job done. All right, we're
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: going to close on that note. Thanks for tuning in
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  Speaker 1: next time on Halo Territory.