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Who Rules the SECRET Societies That Rule Our World? — Matt Ehret Interview · Man in America Podcast

• 1:33
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Willhaus. As you know, I'm always seeking for what's behind that, what's behind that, what's behind that. Always trying to peel the onion, get to the center of things. And it's not easy because there's just a lot of information, but there's also a lot of misinformation.
• 1:52
  And so joining us today is a guest that's new to me. His name is Matt Arrette, and he's someone that I heard on a recent Mel Kay episode. And as I'm listening to this guy, I'm thinking, this guy's extremely, extremely intelligent and well researched. And he's not just like that in one particular area. It seemed like world history, geopolitics, like the whole nine yards.
• 2:16
  And so anyway, I'm bringing him on the show just to ask him some of the big picture questions that I'm always trying to find out, like, who's actually running the world? Who are we up against? Can we win? Where's this traced back into? How do these 13 bloodlines fit into this?
• 2:30
  What's really behind the great reset? So we're just gonna be getting into a very deep conversation. This is gonna be a much more of a, perhaps you say an intellectual exercise. So I hope that you're you're ready to approach the show and just think, okay, get a notebook out, take some notes, because this guy is just a fountain of information. And so just get ready to have some fun and expand your thinking.
• 2:55
  Matt, it's great to have you on the show. Thank you so much for joining me today.
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's wonderful to be joining you today.
• 3:02
  Seth Holehouse: So I had seen you through Mel Kay's channel, and I'd seen she did a bunch of interviews with you. And I just didn't click and didn't didn't click on one of them until recently. And it was an interview talking about the history of The Middle East and The Holy Land. And I was just so blown away, not just by your knowledge. You're like a walking encyclopedia.
• 3:25
  I think Mel calls you what? The professor? Is that what is that what Mel has nicknamed you?
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: She affectionately calls me that.
• 3:32
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. So but also, your ability to to go to that hundred thousand foot view. And, you know, the the people that watch this show, they know that's usually how I try to approach situations is I don't get caught up in the left versus right or this politician or even, you know, nation state versus nation state. I'm really trying to look at the bigger picture of, you know, what are they what are they distracting us from? What's the real motive?
• 4:01
  How does this tie into things like Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars as an example, which I think lays out so much of what we see happening. But I'm really trying to rise above the multiple levels of controlled A versus B. Right? The the Edward Bernays kind of given two choices. I'm trying to rise above that and figure out, like, really what's happening at the core, especially with world events.
• 4:29
  And you have the ability to do that in a way that I haven't heard in quite some time. And I, so anyway, I got ahold of Rob and said, Rob, you gotta kind of get this help us get Matt on the show. And well, here you are.
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: That's cool, man. Yeah. No. I'm glad I'm glad some of those ideas resonated. And, yeah, most of what I find myself trying to do more and more these days is to is try to try to assist people to to get above, as you just said, a lot of the controlled narratives that we are expected to fall in line to.
• 5:00
  There's the all of these controlled oppositions, controlled polarizations, And you alluded to this whole technique of of dividing people between left versus right dichotomizations for a very long time. It's an old old strategy and technique of all empires, Babylonian, Persian, Asian, Western European, Roman, you name it, all empires have utilized the certain art of social manipulation, utilizing a certain knowledge that human beings are creatures of emotions and logic at the same time. Like, we have these two attributes of our feelings and our ideas, which one is more raw, not something you can necessarily define in a computer model. You know, I can't plug in my feeling of justice or injustice into a computer model. The computer model works more on the logic.
• 5:50
  I could put in some rules based on some assumptions, build in some logical consequences that are that flow from a to b to c in a a in a very binary way, and that's useful. It's a useful thing to do, but it it it by itself doesn't really differentiate us from computers themselves. Human beings, we could we could be trained to think like computers, and then it becomes very difficult to try to think like maybe why will computers not necessarily erase us in some evolutionary, you know, next phase of evolution where we won't exist anymore unless we merge with them, says certain neural media magnets. Yep. Yep.
• 6:33
  So all I have to say, you know, like, you look at the French revolution, one of the ways it was because part of my research in history was trying to figure out why did why were things not worse than they were and also not better than they were? Things have unfolded in a certain way. And if you look at certain pregnant moments, they could have gone really bad, but but didn't. And at different moments, could have gotten much better, but they didn't. The the American Revolution is a big watershed moment, obviously, in world history as far as a society organizing itself around a concept that would reject hereditary institutions that would be the source before the revolution.
• 7:10
  The only source for liberty came from the hereditary lords that would give the peasants liberty or take them away as they so chose, and that was a rejection. There was a different idea that, you know, government should be based upon the idea that we're all sovereign. We don't just have one sovereign, but we all have a a reason of conscience that have to mature together and we need that liberty to be able to make mistakes, right, to express ourselves and and and develop our judgment or wisdom, and thus you could have a democratic republic that could endure if you have that type of cultural excellence. But then that was a major watershed miracle that was brilliant. But then why did it fail in France?
• 7:53
  Right? You had all everything going for it. Benjamin Franklin's collaborators, he'd worked for decades to to organize a network of trustworthy leaders across France after the the success of the American Revolution who would go back and and replicate the success on in the old world, and it failed. After a few months, this thing started going sour fast starting in 1789. And before you knew it, all of these key figures who played such a big role to make the American revolution a success, you know, France played a big role.
• 8:24
  Marquis Lafayette was was in a dungeon prison for five years in Habsburg Prison in Austria, and Lavoisier and Jean Sylvain Bayy, these great scientist statesmen who were organizing the the first opening, moments of the the French revolution ended up getting their heads cut off with thousands and thousands of other people, some good, some bad, some really good, all getting their heads cut off as the as something happened that turned it into a jacket in bloodbath of mob rule. You know, every the basically, the the revolution's banner became the revolution doesn't need scientists. So all scientists were part of the were dubbed all elitists because they they were they were thinking in a in a highbrow way, which which separated them from the mass the pure masses. And so from there, you had a vacuum of leadership, and you had a vacillation between the the raw Jacobite movement who were more feeling based that, you know, would would would rabble rouse the feelings of the of the masses. And at the and and at different times, the the Gihonnes would arise with a Gihon des party on the representing the logic who wanted to reform the whole calendar to a ten day decimal system and and get rid of ideas of religion and god and kind of a proto communistic reform.
• 9:40
  And both sides kinda converged on the same thing. And, ultimately, both sides took turns killing each other for five years of civil war, at which point everybody was dead who had any qual leaving resulting in a vacuum that had to be filled, nature abhors a vacuum, by a Napoleonic you know, a Napoleon who would be funded by the Rothschilds, by let the City Of London Bankers, and would very quickly say that, oh, yeah. You know, I I promised you guys I was gonna be a consul reviving the Roman Republic. Actually, my model's the Roman Empire. I'm gonna be the Roman emperor.
• 10:10
  Sorry. And that was just twenty years of hell on earth across, all of Europe in never ending wars, which really soured people's minds who were otherwise sympathetic to the idea of a republic. After twenty years of trauma of Napoleonic wars in Europe, all of these people were either turned against the revolution, the idea of republicanism. They became just so desirous of some stability and security in their lives that they were like, just give us back some secure monarchies. That's all we want.
• 10:38
  So you had the restoration of the monarchies as the great solution under Castlereagh and Metricht in 1815. And with that came the the Carlsbad decrees, which culturally banned all literature which would be declared dangerous to stability and stasis. And this is what Henry Kissinger so, you know, the the the the artists, the poets, the Shellys, the Mozarts, you couldn't you couldn't listen to any type of art or poetry or literary, Thomas Paine was banned as being insurrectionary. That's what leads us to never ending wars if we let those types of creative ideas in. So you need to have sensors controlling all of the schools, the presses, and America benefited because, you know, that was where all of a sudden a lot of the the freedom loving Germans were like, well, I I'm being crushed, and my colleagues are being killed.
• 11:26
  The better freemasonic lodges that were were still working with Mozart and his his allies were all purged. The that was gone in Europe. Any type of, like, moral lodges at that point, I I think that they were completely annihilated by 1815 coming out of that with the restoration of the oligarchies in this. And and so, you know, the the better Germans came to America, the better Europeans came to America to get some sanctuary, you know, and that that was able to be that was very useful for a young republic trying to figure out how to develop skill sets, build infrastructure, learn learn science. So the German, you know, spirit was that was we got the best of it, thank thankfully.
• 12:05
  And I say we, I'm Canadian, but aye aye. The big we. And last thing I'll just note is that Henry Kissinger, just as he was becoming was as he was being brought into the Bilderberger Group in the nineteen fifties, you know, he had already been a student under William Yandell Elliott, the the Rhodes Scholar controller of harp who ran the the Chatham House of Harvard operation in in The USA. For those who don't know, Rhodes Scholars brainwashing Oxford sent back to various parts of the world to carry out essentially a one world government, to to restore the the grandeur of the British Empire, which was the one world government, but undermine things like the American Revolution, any type of of desirous nation state wanting to use their sovereignty, that has to be undermined. So that's the way the Rhodes Scholarship system has kind of worked over the past century, and Kissinger's mentor was one of these high level operatives who trained, you know, Zebigniew Brzezinski, Pierre Elliott Trudeau, trained under William Yandel Elliott, Samuel p Huntington.
• 13:09
  So Kissinger writes that his first thesis that he writes that becomes sort of his entry into the higher clubs is his, assessment of the congress of Vienna of eighteen fifteen, which he points out is his the the high point of human civilization, which we should aspire to organize the current drive for a new world order in the nineteen fifties when he's writing this is the role model of the congress of Vienna. So a lot of people don't they don't realize the meaning of the weight of what that means because that defines everything he does for the next, you know, seventy years of his overly productive evil life. And, and it really it's it's this idea, and he goes through it, of what Kessel Ray met Metternicht, the the the oligarchical high command. They were able to create a system of maximum stasis, no change, maximum control, at least for a period of, of an elite class of masters who had lure lord over, a bigger class of slave families within a system of, relative agreement to keep global populations and thoughts in a cage. So that's the sort of revamping that he was carrying out under people like David Rockefeller, Nelson Rockefeller who brought him into the Rockefeller Commission of 08/1956 that ran the the the Rockefeller report, which is still classified, but we've got certain sanitized public executive summaries that have been released, basically going through how will America be converted into or or play a role in the new world order, which, again, Nelson Rockefeller, David, Henry Luce, the of Time Magazine, the big fascist, they're all part of this committee.
• 14:55
  Lawrence Lawrence Rockefeller is is is a key guy, and Kissinger, that's one of his first gigs. And, and and this is the thing. We're always played left versus right. Right? The Jacobins versus Jean Hounde.
• 15:05
  The the logic part so create a movement centered around cold logic, and principles but devoid of real heart, and and then create an opposing countermovement of people who are all heart, all feeling, but deny any idea of of logic. That that reason is tyranny and that we just have to be raw, pure, noble savages to be authentic. And you you could just always play people against each other with these with these techniques of the human condition. So that's that's, I think, with with that, you're one is able to better get into what is behind the Middle East, all of the problems of The Middle East going back to the, well, eighteen nineties even, you know, when the British started putting online British high command, a lot of hardcore anti Semitic fascists like Lord Balfour who despised the Jews, were all putting into motion a a project to try to convince the world Jews to all go and live in the desert in a very controlled volatile zone. So you're like, Lord Balfour, Lloyd George, Lord Chamberlain, Lord Milner, they run the controller of the roundtable, a coauthor of the Balfour Accords.
• 16:12
  They're all antisemites who despise the Jews. They they want the world purged of Jews except for, like, good Jews who are more adaptive to the type of oligarchical cultural modes that they wanna work with or create. And they work with certain people like, well, you know, Walter Rothschild, who's a useful moneybags but never lives in Israel. Never never. He bought land there to try to help other Jews that, you know, on on the lower rungs go there, but he never lived there.
• 16:40
  No Rothschild ever lived in Israel. It was never you know? Because it was never supposed to be something that was gonna be a stable area. It was this you know, you're you're gonna go into a region and then, you know, create a geopolitical zone of chaos around which the major civilizational states of the world, Asia, Africa, Russia, Eurasia, Central Asia, Europe, intersect in this little convenient zone off the Mediterranean. It's like it's a geopolitical pivot from the standpoint of geopolitics.
• 17:09
  That's how they see it. So any ideology you can you can cultivate that will maximize chaos in that zone will ensure a better divide to conquer strategy so that no danger of civilizational states working together in opposition to an imperial force will ever occur. And that that's, I think, how I I tend to try to look at it and map out what is behind a lot of the the fires from the Six Days War, the Yom Kippur War, the the the the killing of of leaders like Yitzhak Rabin and Arafat who had an alliance in the nineties, both of whom were murdered, and what was destroyed, what was undermined, what went sour that could have been good, and what's behind today's situation.
• 17:52
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• 18:21
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• 19:02
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• 19:34
  But Yeah. Sorry. No. It's it's great. It's I'm I'm just like, I'm like, I'm loving it.
• 19:40
  It's it's it's like it's like, there's this tube of information that's kinda streaming into my head. And it's fantastic. Now, before we get into the nuts and bolts of this, because I have a question that's really the the the ultimate bigger, bigger picture. Right? Because as people journey down the truth of the path of waking up, whether it was 09:11, or whether it was COVID, or the twenty sixteen election, or whatever it is that shook people and they said, wait, that, you know, like, my government's trying to kill us.
• 20:12
  They control the media. The media's lying. And they get into the they start researching. Okay. Who is it?
• 20:18
  And everyone says, oh, it's it's Claus Schwab. It's the WEF. It's no it's it's the bloodlines. It's the Chinese. It's this.
• 20:25
  And it's the European banking cartel. It's a Rothschild. It's there's all these different paths that and I know it's not a crystal clear picture. I know it's not some hierarchical pyramid that's very organized. There's infighting and everything.
• 20:39
  But when we look around, and you see the coordination of things like the pandemic, as an example, and the vaccine rollout, that was very, very centrally organized, and not just by the corporatocracy or the alpha agencies or DARPA or IRPA or what any the other agencies. It went much deeper, it seemed. And so when you look at the the world's stage today, and you see things like BRICS and China and Russia, and then them opposing the West, and you have these points like Ukraine, where you have Biden and and our our, you know, captured, you know, politicians here sending all this money to Ukraine. Yet a lot of them were also controlled by China, which is also funding and backing up Russia and Ukraine. And then you have we'll get in The Middle East, but it and then you have, you know, sore Soros coming out and saying that Xi Jinping is one of the greatest threats to open societies in the world.
• 21:39
  They have state run Chinese media saying that Soros is a son of Satan. Yet the WEF is also working with Xi Jinping, and and you've also got these WEF events happening in Russia with the young communists. And, like, as you piece this together, it just gets so messy. And some people are very quick to say, oh, look, Putin is trying to destroy the deep state. He's trying to free us from from this, and maybe he's teaming up with with Xi, and and maybe Trump's involved, and you have all these different messy narratives.
• 22:08
  And I'm just trying to make sense of it all. And a lot of my guests are having these conversations. But in your mind and through your research, does it get to some sort of very, very small group of a handful of individuals that are actually orchestrating almost everything that we see around the world?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, kinda. In my in my analysis, yeah, I I do sort of see this hierarchically managed, but not exactly and I agree with you that there's not necessarily a coherence or a consensus in how this is going to unfold amongst the ruling. And I I do see this as as ultimately animated not by any ethnic group. And I caution anybody listening who have fallen into a place where they find themselves concluding that the source or causality of evil now and deep into our past is can be rooted in something ethnic or genetic. If if the if you're going down that path, I caution people to pull back and revisit their their assumptions a little bit.
• 23:19
  I'm I'm looking at this from the standpoint of epistemology, the the the the logic of how ideas of of or how knowledge emerges, both true knowledge and its counterfeit. Because you could make the true appear false, and you can make the the false appear true using a mixture or a misuse of those things I mentioned regarding the, like, rules of logic tied to emotions. The miss there's a good use of both that should dance together in in in a mature human being, and then there's the misuse of of either one that could also be used to create we see this with the this effect with with sophistry. Right? The emergence of sophistry, in ancient Greece, how the the demos was able to be converted into its own worst enemy through flowery language and the arts of rhetoricians that were targeted by truth lovers like Socrates and his student, Plato, and and the Platonic Academy.
• 24:17
  They're trying to help people understand how are they being duped into thinking their self destruction is their salvation such that Athens was able to be through the support of the people, it was the Democratic party that killed that voted to kill Socrates through drinking hemlock, right, as being a corrupter of the youth and somebody who is undermining the the the faith in the the pantheon of gods that were you know, the the center around which the priesthood of Delphi, the the cult of Apollo at Delphi, the various core cults that organized intelligence, monetary proto banking systems, managed the geopolitical operations of wars because any general or king of ancient Athens or Persia to know or Sparta or to know, who do I make an alliance with? Who do I go to war with? They would go to the the oracle. They had that that was what was expected of them and pay a lot of money. So the oracle had a ton of the oracles of Delphi, the cult of Idlusus had a ton of capital to then lend to they also had a ton of intelligence because enemies would come to them, right, paying cash to see what do I do.
• 25:22
  So now you're the priesthood is interpreting what the doped up, oracle is saying. You know, it's usually some poor girl who's selected often raped by the priesthood doped up on on psychedelics, which they were using proto psychedelics, you know, derivatives of of wheat blight that they later on turned into LSD in in our twentieth century. It was actually this is something that was that was used back then too as part of the rites of initiation, but they would they would have these oracles doped up, blattering randomness out there into the into the whatever. And then the the the priest would then interpret what the what Apollo, who's actually a proto before there was Christianity. Apollo was a proto Lucifer, the the god of light, the god of the sun, also the god of destruction who had a dark side.
• 26:08
  What who do you go to war with? So they had all side. They can they control the these these networks controlled an international array of intelligence. This was intelligence globally extended. So why am I why am I saying all of this right now?
• 26:25
  The the the thing is it was the demo. It was it was sophistry as rhetoric that was transforming people into their into their own destruction. And I think from my standpoint, I'm looking at, well, where did the good emerge in every civilization? When I look at world history, I try to study history. I try to take as much of it step back as possible to look where did authentic goodness tend to emerge, and where did its subversion emerge in in my study of Chinese history or Indian history, Egyptian history, Western European history, you name it.
• 27:06
  There there's you could always find something universal about goodness and courage and freedom lovingness, which will tend to emerge and create measurable good things, increased renaissance moments where all of a sudden you can find population growth skyrocketing, quality of life skyrocketing, usually accompanied with blossoming architecture, artistic, scientific, revolutions. Usually, these these tens of these these processes accompany an orientation towards peacemaking. War avoidance is the sort of thing you tend to find when these things emerge. And whenever the goodness is subverted, sometimes from outside forces, oftentimes from inside forces, there's usually a common way that that that that happens and that dark age processes start taking hold and cultures start forgetting what they once knew or what they took for granted as they fall into corruption, decay, decadence, looking at your neighbor as something to either be afraid of or to steal from instead of something somebody to work with as as a brother even though they might have a different skin color or something. You know?
• 28:16
  So it's and then you get worse. Divide to conquer processes, and you'll usually find a wealth transfer into an an oligarchical class or caste whenever these types of things occur that enjoys getting the slaves to fight. So in my view, there are there is a material component to the oligarchy that does tie into primarily the old families of Europe. Like, I'm talking here, like, the old nobilities, the some of them are mon are are monarchs. Other ones just happen to be part of the the lords and various noble families of of Italy, especially some of whom can go back and trace their lineage lineage back to, like, emperor Julian, like the Orsini family, or or, emperor, Claudius.
• 29:02
  Many dodges, many leading members of of the Roman senate of of the Roman empire are still direct have a direct continuity of leading families who are who are inheritors of of what are called family fondis, the family trust that sort of are are are what keep and maintain multigenerational, traditions amongst these these governing classes, which is unfortunate because I think a lot of these children are are highly abused and groomed to become broken of something human in order for them to become managers, of the system that they were born into. It's it's kind of a sick thing. So I I do see it that way, and they will they will they've developed certain necessary arts of infiltration and perversion of anything, whether it's, the Christian matrix, the Muslim, the the Jewish, the anything that's an institution, religious or political, they will, they they they will they have certain techniques that that I've already been alluding to that will be applied to turn it into its its opposite or or bring out the worst elements of anything to destroy it from within or at least use it for a period before destroying it for its benefit.
• 30:16
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• 30:30
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• 30:45
  Speaker 2: And how many wars have been done in the name of Christ? Right? The crusades where countless thousands were were of innocence or or murdered Jews, Muslims, and Christian like were all killed in never ending wars for centuries for these crusades in the name of Christ. Didn't need to happen. It was done for geopolitical reasons, and and if you were trying to find a purely religious reason for the crusades, you couldn't.
• 31:06
  You'd you'd you'd be limited. It wouldn't get you there. You'd have to look at who were the geopolitical, leading cultists that created the Templars that was so important for managing and and and shaping the Crusades, which involves people like the Cisterian monk or or actually a guy who put, like, two popes into office, Bernard Declarevaux, who was a a a leading ultramontanist who believed in effectively controlling the world under the form of a new Roman empire or emperor, that would have both the control of the holy and he saw that as the pope. The papacy was the controller of the world in his mind, and whoever controls the papacy, the pope controls the world, which is where him and his little coterie of cultists who, in my research, it seems like he's actually a a follower, an inductee with his family. It's a it's a high level oligarchical mercenary family that gave rise to this guy who created the Templars.
• 31:59
  He created the charter of what became the Templar, holy knights that would then facilitate the second and third crusade as well as global banking. But he himself was part of the cult of Mithra. And even today, you have all of these, like, Mithraic cults, thousands of them in Egypt, in The Holy Land, in Europe, in England, often in caves. They they sacrificed in caves. And it was a it was the core cult of the Roman Praetorian Guard and the Roman legions.
• 32:27
  That was the cult that was brought in from Anatolia back in even before Rome became an empire was brought in, but it became to be a anybody with influence within the Roman military, you had to be an inductee through the eight degrees of the the cult of Mithra, which continued even after Christianity. It basically was rebranded a little bit to give it a bit of a Christian veneer, but there was always sort of secret Gnostic discoveries you would make along the way of of of the rights of initiation as you as you move up the the chain. And so, you know, you have to go there because the whole thing was was it wasn't like evil for its own sake. It was evil to destroy a greater good. Because if you look at what was going on before the Crusades, there was this like I was mentioning, look for goodness.
• 33:15
  Right? Wherever in whatever cultural matrix you find, there is always you can find goodness that has a common character of sacrifice, loving, having loving your neighbor, loving your concept of of a loving reasonable creator instead of seeing the creator as being an irrational tyrant or something, but rather seeing the creator as a loving, living, reasonable creator. There's a concept that in in India's history, in China's history, in in, obviously, the Christian history, it's all over Saint Augustine's work, it's in Plato's works. So, there was a a a beautiful process. And and Mel Kay and I, we just did a third show in the series going through, this Jewish Islamic Christian Chinese alliance of the eighth, ninth centuries, which saw Renaissance movements, measurable Renaissance movements of cathedral building, training of orphans to read houses of wisdom in Baghdad in in in Charlemagne's Europe as well as in the revival of the Silk Road, which was was being revived through the Tang dynasty that had a special beautiful relationship as as a point of bringing East West trade, but also stories, poetry across, these cultures through the Middle East all the way into Europe, into Africa, and this had to come undone.
• 34:32
  And so there was there was so much effort to get what Samuel P. Huntington with Kissinger later on brought into being with with Zabigniew in in the seventies, this this new clash of civilizations get people to only see their their neighbors as the other that that you have to be sort of you have to feel some sense of animosity towards the other. So you had Christians, again, like, massacring Jews in the Rhineland during the Crusades. You had Christians killing Muslims. You had Muslims killing Christians, and all of this was being influenced by the same bankers who at this time went from Rome as their center of command.
• 35:09
  By this point, it was more Venice that became the center of command of the old families, the Fondies, but they had branches all the way through the the the various dynastic families, the Norman families, the Norman chivalry that that were funded to take over Britain and purge Britain in the the the eleventh century of its of their patriots. That was that that Norman chivalry was a pagan class of sort of pro of Vikings who worshiped rune myths, had a whole idea of child sacrifice, but that would masquerade under a a slight Christian veneer. And this is what the Nazis were later created as a new synthetic cult, by the same financiers who sort of, like, would move they would migrate from one geographic location at different moments to another one. But it would be it they would maintain the same bloodlines. They would carry use the same techniques slightly, obviously, adapted to the times.
• 36:03
  And the what were the Nazis? It was it was a a black magic occult secret society under the the Areosophists and the the Thula society, which were doing sacrifices. They had a whole new Templar order around Hermann Buring in the the the the Vebel Vebelsburg Castle with the black son of the occult being their their core symbol, which was a tough which was and they were all looking at, like, runes reviving these these Nordic Viking myths that they saw as pure pre Christian goodness that they had to revive. So the whole thing was a revival of of of these pagan occult behavioral patterns, which is what the oligarchy has been trying to do is just undermine that's simply what they wanna do. They want to bring back feudalism, undermine any type of, faith in a monotheistic, reasonable, loving creator that tends to find expression very clearly in the Christian matrix, but also you find it in in every Abrahamic faith.
• 36:56
  There's there's there are movements that that see God not not as a tyrant, but as a reasonable loving God who we should act in that image. And every time we do that, things go pretty well for humans and go worse for the oligarchy. So that's how I look at today's situation today. I try to carry a lot of these lessons that I've I've I've dug up in my mind, and I I try to keep them in my back pocket, and I try to look at well, there's so much, there there's no simple answer because there's no such thing as a sovereign nation state in the the sort of popular way of a crystallized sovereign nation state making its own decisions. No.
• 37:29
  There there's there's an international oligarchy with penetrations to varying degrees in every part of the world. And in some parts of the world, we we see configurations of of of of statesmen who are who are who are trying to push back against it. And then in other places, we see it it having become more successful as as in The United States of taking over over the dead bodies of John f Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy. It's much more ingrained in some ways despite, I think, the, the authentic efforts being made by by the non neocon republican movement, which I see as the only hope in The United States to to to survive is through the non neocon republican movement, and maybe maybe some, some democrats were able to realize how they they've been duped who could maybe get get some convergence. Without that, I don't see any hope for The US or or Canada.
• 38:23
  But, last thing on that point is Russia, China, India, everybody has been penetrated over many generations by what I I define as being like, the the the same Baltic cult religions of the ancient times still exist, as I pointed out, both for with watered down versions for the for the masses, but also slightly more condensed versions for those managers and managers of the managers. So you've got, like, different tranches of doctrine, but are are effectively cultic cultish. And they still exist, though they they currently have more of a a pseudoscientific veneer that's been caked in and really worked on over the the last hundred years or so especially. And we've seen it with the Rockefeller. What what type of science did the Rockefeller Foundation start funding over a century ago with the Carnegie Foundation, with the the the Josiah Macy Foundation?
• 39:32
  These various foundations run often by eastern establishment bloodline families tied to the Cabot's, the Lodges, the the Lowell's, you know, these different groups that were founders of the the Pilgrim Society, right, when when McKinley was assassinated. He had the Pilgrim Society in nineteen o two set up by these eastern establishment, what they call the Boston Brahmins, these families that saw themselves as the untouchable or not the the the the yeah. Untouchable. The the the the pure Brahmins of the higher caste. And they created the Pilgrim Society to encourage that what it says.
• 40:05
  And and Kissinger is a leading figure in the Pilgrim Society even today, which is created an Anglo American special relationship to consolidate world affairs under this Anglo American divine heritage or whatever to comanage the world. That was anti American, always was treacherous, and it could only occur over the dead the dead body of a of of a McKinley who had to be killed to make that thing happen. But these these creatures started funding through their foundations as philanthropic cover groups certain sciences that would be favorable to shaping a more pliable society for the masses, but also a managerial elite in the professional class, the the the technocrats who would be assigned a role even without them fully understanding it, that would that would be managers of something antihuman. And we saw the medical the medical sciences that were funded, the genetic sciences, eugenics got its rise entirely by these moneybags. A lot of things.
• 41:06
  Even even the quantum mechanics, if you look at it, even the the growth of the dis the derailment of the of the type of discoveries that were being made by real scientists like like Max Planck and and and Einstein and and Madame Curie and these great scientists who are making real discoveries into the nature of the universe and translating that into into new technologies and ways for us to live better and more in harmony with God's creation, That whole generation of scientists became the obsolete old guard with the new generation of mathematicians and statistical probability theorists who received all this money through the first, the Copenhagen school, but then that spread out as a new standard to say, oh, no. There's no truth. Because in at the bottom at the at the heart of all matter and apparent order and harmony that we see with our senses is actually atoms made up of nothing composed by randomness. And so they they they baked in these these lobotomized assumptions about chaos being core and causal to everything in the world. And you see why that somebody like a like a a an oligarchical social engineer would want us to think that we're we we think we're made of reality, but in fact, we're just made up of of bunch of nothings.
• 42:20
  These these atoms of randomness, mostly 99.9% of nothingness makes us all up. So there's really no this becomes like an easy hypnotic tool to get people into a spell where they could become led to believe that nothing really exists except for and then whatever you know, you create your own narrative. So this is the sort of thing that that corrupted a new generation of elite scientists in the medical world, in the hard scientific world. It really got bad under the Manhattan Project that that was shaped by British intelligence, and then we're gonna actually have a a documentary coming out on that, and the creation of new standards and norms that we all had to adapt our minds to if we wanted to be a respected climatologist. You had to accept certain assumptions.
• 43:05
  And so the the the the field that was generated as a new science of all sciences out of World War two, it was known as cybernetics, the science of controls.
• 43:19
  Seth Holehouse: Folks, have a quick message for you. Look. The twenty twenty four election is do or die for the globalist and communists that have infiltrated our country and are currently running it. And they either have to win or they're gonna destroy America so nothing is left either way. And if you're the person that's watching this show and following this information, unfortunately, you have the weight on your shoulders of making sure that your family is prepared, especially as we head in to this next year and this next election cycle.
• 43:46
  Because unfortunately, I think it's gonna get rough. And one of the ways I know they're going to target us is through our food supply. You can see all the food factories burned down. You can see the warnings of coming famines and food shortages and everything like that. And food is one of the number one ways totalitarian regimes have always used to control the populations destroy the food supply.
• 44:06
  So if you don't have at least two, three, four, five, six months worth of stored food, I highly recommend you take that very seriously. Because look, as I mentioned, if you're the person that's watching this, you're the person that carries the burden of making sure your family is prepared. I would recommend at least six months, if not a year of storable food. So if things go haywire, whether it's grid down or terrorist attack from what's coming across the border, that your family can safely stay in place and you can feed your family. So folks today, go to heavensharvest.com and make sure you get your storeable food that'll last for up to twenty five years.
• 44:41
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• 45:07
  Speaker 2: And Norbert Wiener, who was a student of Bertrand Russell, a high level depopulationist oligarch, who created a whole he groomed a whole network of young young brilliant psych opaths out of Cambridge in 1913 when he was teaching there, writing the Principia Mathematica. One of them was was Norbert Wiener, but there were others. John von Neumann was another. But they they they applied what what Russell had called for the creation of with his Principia as a as a closed system of mathematization of the entire universe bounded by a limited set of of axioms. Right?
• 45:41
  You could you could have a limited set of axioms of of basic blind assumptions that are rules that we have to assume the entire universe can be deducted into. All observations that are observable can all be plugged into a model that has the these limits. Now that was proven to not be possible, but he didn't these guys didn't care. They were committed to their project. So even though Kurt Gerdl proved that you cannot create any closed system, right, because anytime you try to, like, define any system, you there's a self referential quality that the system can can refer to itself, and at which point, it there's a there's a requirement that there's something outside of the system that contains that system in which it's referring to itself that is not within the system.
• 46:18
  So he proved very eloquently in 1932 that it's not possible to do what Bertrand Russell and his and his devotees wanted to do, but they did it anyway. And so they they they developed cybernetics, the science of controls that became sponsored by the the Josiah Macy Foundation, the same thing that was that was sponsoring Nazi scientists and Eugenics, which was run by the guy who founded the, the NSA, the, the black chamber. Marlboro Churchill, a cousin of of Winston, was the guy running the, the Macy Foundation and, which is just a weird unto itself. Right? And and and this becomes the basis of the five eyes, the NSA that he created that he ran for, like, twenty years.
• 46:58
  The the Macy Foundation creates the the Macy Foundation conferences on cybernetics. This is what creates the found the structure around which MKUltra would be created. Margaret Mead, Bateson are leading figures within that process. They're looking at how do you take these new mind drugs, Aldous Huxley and his family, his clan. Again, one of these with these groomed families.
• 47:18
  Right? One of their brothers committed suicide because the pressure to be an oligarch was so intense. He couldn't stand it and kill himself, hung himself on a tree. Matthew, Huxley, the other two did their jobs and, and and and developed the iron stomachs that they needed to. But this this became what what was used cybernetics to reform the o e the new OECD.
• 47:38
  This became the basis of NATO's entire system. It became the basis of RANDCORE as RANDCORE was created to now start a new type of scientific policy making around computer modeling, and that was created, you know, again, overseen by the CIA, brought in to The United States to shape everything from economic policy, foreign military policy, whether we build up our nuclear warheads, how do we interpret Russia's intentions. It's all based on computer modeling because computers are so much more superior to the fallible human minds that are contaminated with feelings. No. Computers are are science.
• 48:14
  So that became RANKOR. That's what JFK tried to fight against because if we went with the with the RANKOR view of things, we would have been in a nuclear war over the Cuban missile crisis, and all of the joint chiefs were thinking along the the lines of RAND. That's what JFK and his brother were fighting against. The same thing was brought in, to Russia even though, cybernetics had been banned, as a bourgeoisie corrupting science that denied, human freedom. The moment Stalin was dead, it became rehabilitated.
• 48:41
  It was brought in in every level of of scientific practice and governing practice in Russia. Khrushchev gave a speech, in 1960 saying that cybernetics is now the the centerpiece around which all Soviet, administration will be built. So this created and and groomed a whole class of cybernetics experts who became administrators. They they they then groomed and and so it's sort of a a pagan cult, but masquerading as science. And it it has a force unto itself because the people who tend to be within, who are groomed to to adopt a worldview or in a cosmology and a self identity based around a cybernetic set of assumptions, they lose something human.
• 49:31
  They they become something you you're very concerned with. If you're if you're a human being with political influence who has to now deal with these net networks and these nests that were there already before you attain political power, you you can't just come out and say, like Alexander you know, or not Alexander, Akhenaten. Right? Great example. Go back to history.
• 49:51
  Akhenaten was a was a an Egyptian leader who didn't get it. He he messed up. Why did he mess up? He was a good guy. All evidence shows he was a really good guy.
• 50:00
  Lived around the time a little bit before Moses. He was a monotheist. He tried to overthrow all of the the pagan polytheistic deities of the Roman of the sorry, the the Egyptian priesthood way too fast. He tried he was like, no. This is immoral.
• 50:15
  There's one god, one lord. He's a moral, reasonable lord, and I'm going to assert that truth and over and make enemies with the entire priesthood, military class, legions of of soldiers of of Egypt. I'm just gonna I'm gonna build a new capital far removed so we can get away from the corruption of the old capital, and it lasted for, like, him and Nefertiti. Know, they they tried. The arts were beautiful in their period.
• 50:38
  You know, you you could see that there's something really special even though there was efforts to smudge them out of history. We only discovered that Akhenaten existed, like, a century ago. He was wiped out for out of memory for over two thousand five hundred years. But he he moved too fast. He didn't know how to play the game.
• 50:55
  He couldn't because you can't. You you're dealing with people who will kill you to preserve the. So I think that when I look at a lot like, where do I see goodness in in terms of, like, a resistance to the woke ideology, the a defensive family structures, a defensive an idea of a morality in the universe, not just created by humans, but but there in the universe around which we have to model our behavior as humans or a push towards development, ending hunger, ending poverty, trying to find peace corridors. I see I see act actions and policies today that fall into harmony with that that that what I define as goodness, or things that are in harmony with at the very least a reasonable practicality if you wanna even reduce it to that because it's more practicable practical to live in a world that doesn't have wars all over you and where people want to kill you. It's better to live in a world Your self interest will be more maintained if your neighbors don't want to kill you and there's some general prosperity to be at.
• 52:00
  I do see that happening, and I do see an effort to create abundance instead of scarcity in parts of the world that are not what I'm living in in my NATO five eyes cage part of the world. So I do see that in Eurasia, and I also see penetrations of these cybernetics cults in Russia. I see it in the scientific community and the medical community. I see it tied to Western intelligence. I see it in China.
• 52:23
  I see it in India. I see it in to a certain degree and also in Iran. But I do see a a fight there that I don't see in the same intensity here anymore. So I I that's how I'm defining my nuance. My my language will be used by by figures with political influence in China or in Russia.
• 52:46
  But then again, like you just pointed out, China did kick out Soros. They banned him for life in 1989 and and shut down his open societies. They took a a World Economic Forum trustee, Jack Ma, who's sort of the Bill Gates of China, transhumanist freak, who, like, is the one behind a lot of the worst elements of social credit under his Alibaba, Alipay, all of these things that run, like, something like a billion people are using Alipay in Alibaba or Alipay and that that are tied to various types of social credit, rating systems. They they took this transhumanist Bill Gates, world economic foreign freak, and they as he was calling for essentially a banking coup in China in Beijing, They or no. It was in Shanghai in 2020.
• 53:29
  They actually did something about it. They took that guy down. They stripped him of his but they did. You could you could teach high school. You could keep your you keep your money.
• 53:36
  You could live in your mansion, but you can't do anything except teach high school. And even then, we're gonna they shut down his his university. He had, like, a Soros university thing to train new technocrats, like what what Soros did with his, you know, his new institute for economic policy in his Soros university that that that's been created in the West. They had something in that like that in China. He they they took it down.
• 53:56
  They they shut it down, fired the teachers. So I'm seeing, a fight, and I I don't I don't see a similar kind of fight being waged here so much from institutions. I see it from the people. I see it from people trying to get power, who I hope will, but I don't see it so much from the but but but I do see a lot of, narratives being created to convince us either that we can reduce all or simplify all of that complexity, ignore all the nuance, and just find it a nice clean enemy image in the the same thing that worked in the Cold War to keep us very much controlled by the oligarchy, which is, you know, the old Kremlin, Beijing, Commie boogeyman are always there, and we never dealt with that trauma. We were given that every day to baby boomers, every single day from the fifties all the way on to the the collapse of the Soviet Union.
• 54:49
  That's a lot of unresolved trauma that just went underground into our their subconscious, And the spellmakers are able to just they know where to push to just bring it all back to the surface. Similar lines of, of stories are being created by by the new Hoovers, the new Freemasonic, you know, southern right operatives that are running today's FBI just like they were running back then. You know, Christopher Wray is coming out saying, yeah. We we've heard that that Iran is has got a plan to kill and assassinate our our heads of state in, in America. It's like, k.
• 55:23
  Where's the evidence of that? Wait. We're we're patriots. We're the FBI. Why would we lie?
• 55:28
  And it's like a cold war? I mean, killed Martin Luther King, didn't she? So you got this whole thing. And I so that's how I try to, like, bring people to at least entertain that top down approach to an analyzing, the patterns and the the fight today.
• 55:49
  Seth Holehouse: Wow. So here's here's my kind of simplified summary of this. So it seems like you had these power structures that existed back in Roman times. And and probably even that time, you know, we're already generations and generations old. And that basically that these lineages, these bloodlines have, you know, through secret societies and through staying hidden, and through mastering the ability to cloak and to infiltrate and, you know, kinda take take over organizations in in different industries, whether it's any kind of collective group thought, like a religion or an organization or a system that was, you know, they can control and manipulate.
• 56:37
  And that so over the years, they've been controlling and manipulating and maintaining their power, but also gaining control over the financial systems and using that as a way to maintain their power. And that on the opposition of that, though, there's always this kind of divine human spirit that's trying to blossom, is trying to create beauty, to, to manifest God's will on Earth. Right? And so you have these these periods throughout history where that emerged and it blossomed, and maybe that was a period where the oligarchs had less control, or they didn't control the beginning of it, and it grew a little bit too big, and then they had to go in and destroy it. Right?
• 57:22
  And so and these oligarchs have always used war as a tool to redraw boundaries to basically, to shake up any country that is getting too strong outside of their control. They've used wars. And that's what kind of takes us to where we are today. And I feel like, Keshav, we're coming up on an hour here, I feel like we've only just started. So we'll certainly have to do more, more of these interviews.
• 57:49
  I guess as one kind of final question just for you as we wrap up, and we're certainly gonna be doing part two, three, four, five, you know, there's, we could talk about a lot. Right? Yeah. But in conclusion for today, with where we're at now with what people coined the great awakening, with the people, the commoners now understanding, you know, in a large way, in a large group, understanding they've been manipulated, understanding they've been lied to, and understanding that also that they have power, right? We're not the peasants of 1500, where if we, you know, storm against the king, we'll all be slaughtered and executed and our wives and daughters will be raped and killed.
• 58:44
  Right? Like now we've got tools like Rumble, and we've got Twitter and, you know, which is seems relatively open. So it's like we we we now have the tools to go against the narrative to counter the information war. And so the question I'm getting to is that do you see that we're at an inflection point in history, where the people, the individuals, you and I, that we are now at a place where we can overthrow this global oligarchy.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Yes. I I do see that. And I do believe that this is possible and necessary. And anything which is both possible and necessary should must happen. It doesn't mean it will happen because people don't have to do what's popular and possible and necessary.
• 59:40
  We have free will, and we have that means we have the will to be stupid. However, the the toleration of stupidity at this point has we we've we've used it all up. There there's no more tolerance to stupidity cards we can still play at this at this stage of crisis. So we got a systemic meltdown. It's been a long time coming.
• 59:57
  It didn't start in in a couple of years ago. It didn't start with Obama. It didn't start with, Bill Clinton. It didn't start with, Reagan. It this has been a process, a slow self annihilation as far as atrophying our infrastructure, outsourcing our industry, going for myopic momentary speculation and profit instead of thinking about what are we creating for the the next generation as far as what defines our standard of what capital capitalism should be as an industrial capitalism, which we used to have, but we forgot how to do it.
• 1:00:25
  Now we're in speculation. You know? Yeah. I'm a consumer, so I'm a good citizen type of capitalism. That that was never meant to be sustainable.
• 1:00:34
  So now we got a bubble economy. The bubbles are popping. Okay. So the bubbles are popping. The banks are collapsing.
• 1:00:38
  They wanna take us down with them. So looking at at at our history, we've been in similar not not the exact same, but similar situations with the Great Depression. We've seen this in other cases as well. There have been things that have been able to be wielded as far as the national the power of the national or the sovereign nation state and the power of the constitution, especially in The United States, which has been uniquely powerful at counteracting the influence of the oligarchy's drive to kill us and and and enslave us under feudalism. It's not like they're it's something that they've just started doing now.
• 1:01:19
  It's been an ongoing intention and a desire over many generations, really even the second the the American Revolution was over. The the intention to undermine the the the the revolution in the republic from within was always an animating force behind every action that was taken for the bad in America's history. There's always been this fifth column built up baked into The US through loyalists to the British Empire who acted like patriots but always created institutions that would be would serve as destructive influences to undermine the the sovereignty of The US and the the excellence the moral excellence of the people to right? In order to popularize mediocrity, popularize stupidity, popularize mob think in order to get us to to forget how to govern ourselves, to lose the power of judgment. If people can't judge themselves, they if they can't rule themselves, can't they can't judge, the policies for their nation.
• 1:02:17
  They can't be a a sovereign nation as based on a sovereign people, which means sovereign individuals. That means you have to have a like John Adams said, right, you the the republic is made for a moral and religious people and is wholly unfit for any other. But if you have any other kind of people and culture that encourages any other kind of people than what he said, you will have mob tyranny, the the tyranny of the stupid masquerading as democracy, but it won't be real because you'll have demagogues who will always pull the people's strings, through arts of rhetoric and sophistry. So now we're at a point where we've forgotten how many people, not everybody, but many people have forgotten how America has successfully done battle with this oligarchy and has subverted previous attempts at a new world order, which came close, but were subverted by patriots. We we've we've lost a little bit of touch, so we're too many people who are good patriots hating the great reset, wanting to stop it, wanting to save their families are too ill informed about some of the policies that they could do to to let these private financiers were sitting on a bankrupt bubble of fake assets instead of bailing them out, instead of using the government protection to treat these oligarchs as welfare recipients for infinite bailouts making it worse and serving their interests in wars in The Middle East.
• 1:03:32
  We could do things like glass deal. You could you level there's there's precedents, legal precedents. Break up the banks. Let them take their own losses. If they're a bankrupt bank, doesn't matter how big they are, they can fail and protect the small commercial banks.
• 1:03:45
  These are things that Trump had even talked about in 2017. He gave speeches on on the importance of restoring the last eagle, and I think some pressure from some Wall Street backers were like, no. Don't don't don't talk like that. So he he pulled back. But I think that it's something that's there.
• 1:04:00
  The the use of the American system, of of what McKinley was doing with the protective tariff, the state directed credit for building industrial capital intensive projects that create financial incentives for the individual citizen to invest in to get actual monetary rewards in time by investing in bonds like the greenbacks or the $5.20 bonds or the victory bonds. There's various times where these have been used to great effect because we get individual monetary rewards, but at the same time, the nation benefits. So you have a harmonization whenever this happens of the idea of the individual liberty of the person at the same time and their personal profit as well as tying it to the the greater the the the general welfare of the nation as a whole at the same time. It breaks you out of this this trap of, you know, are you an individualist free market follower of British economists like Adam Smith, or are you an anti individual Marxist collectivist commie? Pick a side.
• 1:05:06
  Right? That was that was that was our choices in the Cold War. Pick a side. It's like, a minute. America was not based on any of those choices.
• 1:05:11
  It was based on are you a good person wanting to have a sovereign nation with sovereign people against empire, or are you an imperialist traitor? That was the choice. It's a much more more much clearer cut. And the the idea of the the declaration of independence, right, enshrining the inalienable rights of the individual with the the the constitution calling for the general welfare seems to be, for many people today, confusing because they seem to be two different opposing things. And it's like, no.
• 1:05:36
  The the only way the nation couldn't actually mature and endure is when the the culture encourages and brings out a recognition that, you know, that's not what your your country can do for you, but what you could do for your country. But you you wanna get pleasure and your sense of freedom in taking responsibility for your country, and there's a risk a reciprocity there. And when you get that, you're good. You're generally gonna be a good place, and you won't fall for these traps that the empires that imperialists always set for, for people. So I do think that the American people, have the moral fortitude.
• 1:06:12
  We've got they've got an incredible constitution that that gives them an immense amount of power, which is why the oligarchy and their stooges like Kissinger have been trying to undo the, the nation state system. Because as long as there's a nation state, there's a power that we have to destroy both can defend ourselves, but we can offensively also act against the oligarchy, making positive policies for both our our domestic per program, but also for our our neighborhood, our future with our with our neighboring country. So we can do all of these things. And I'm just hoping that people are able to or I I I don't see enough of a coherence in cons I see what people don't want as far as the great reset, and we should be having marches against the great reset, not just, you know, blame you know, there's marches all over the world about I wanna blame Israel for everything or I wanna blame Hamas and and and Palestinian terrorists for everything. People are falling who know better are falling into these dichotomized traps that are created for them to fall into a narrative.
• 1:07:08
  Are you with us or with the enemy? And both sides have different versions of the same thing that didn't do us any favors after nine eleven. And so I I think if we could just focus on the real issue that there is a depopulation agenda, There is an an agenda to undo the American and every nation's sovereignty under a new global collectivist system that would make it more easy to create scarcity to contract the world population. Just hold those basic facts in mind and then look at, well, what do we need to do? We need to the the banking system is gonna blow up.
• 1:07:41
  That's gonna set in a chain reaction that will reduce that will create total chaos, at at which point a lot of the freedom that we currently have to use these platforms is gonna go away. So we have a curtain a window of opportunity. Certain things have worked in the past. The oligarchy is afraid of them. We should do more of what the oligarchy is afraid of.
• 1:07:59
  If that means I I mentioned a few things. There's other things like that. Obviously, World War three is a serious one. There's all sorts of mutual security agreements that are signed on both sides, that could be triggered, that could get out of hand. The oligarchy doesn't necessarily, control all those outcomes.
• 1:08:17
  They've they've they've they've put a they've they've taken a genie out of the bottle. They they bank. There's a bit of a gamble that they can control the the wars that they're about to unleash and then put the genie back in the bottle. Sometimes they've been able to do it. Now we have nuclear war, nuclear bombs all over the world.
• 1:08:33
  Not the same formula that worked for thousands of years. It's a different ballgame. And I I think that's where I get a little a little a little perverse joy watching some of the the, signs of interesting conflict amongst various factions within the oligarchy. There there is not a there's not a con a coherence of consensus amongst the oligarchical class today about what exactly should be done. I'm seeing a lot of infighting, signs of infighting.
• 1:09:00
  I I I'm not there for the the the secret club meetings, but I but you could see it. Right? So I think And that's something that's
• 1:09:07
  Seth Holehouse: I mean
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: in a certain sense in that, and I do get a certain amount of and I'll end it here. I know I'm I'm rambling, But I do get a certain amount of, melon melancholy is not the right word, but I do get a certain amount of hope by the fact that I do see a fight against very powerful evil operations within Eurasian countries, especially that have I I'm convinced. I I mean, people could write to me and and say tell me why I'm wrong. But I'm I'm I'm pretty persuaded that I see an authentic fight going on that's not simply controlled opposition against the depopulation death cultists. That is something we could work with if we wanted to.
• 1:09:47
  And I think it would be preferable if we were trying to do things that involved collaborating with those who were also fighting the death cult using the power of the nation state to do that instead of just trying to find oversimplistic blames that make us happy with with whatever prejudice we might otherwise have that we didn't examine that that that reduces our our efficiency at defending our families. I'll stop it there, I think, because I could ramble on, and I could
• 1:10:14
  Seth Holehouse: No. It's it's it's great. And I was gonna say that that we should do an episode just on the infighting of the oligarchies. Right? And looking at that's a that's a great topic.
• 1:10:24
  But I've got unfortunately, I've got a little bit of a hard cut off. So otherwise, we could just keep going, which, you know, we'll have to what to do this again. I wanna bring up your your main website, canadianpatriot.org. Is this the plate the best place people can follow you and what you're doing, Matt?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That that's that's a great spot. And our new webs our new video doc episode one of an eight part documentary series on the hidden hand behind UFOs, Lifting the veil going back to ancient, cult structures of ancient pagan, Rome, Babylon are are it plays a big role in that first episode, so that's gonna be a a new series. Lot of videos are there. Our books are there.
• 1:11:03
  My wife and I, comanage the site. We both are authors of many books, and you can find them all over that website. And, we also have risingtidefoundation.net as a little bit more of a cultural, you know, educational website. So that's another one people could play around with.
• 1:11:21
  Seth Holehouse: Well, Matt, as our first show together, it's a lot of fun. I mean, I can't wait to have more of these discussions and just dive in. So thanks again for coming on. Thank you for what you're doing, and I look forward to next time.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Me too. Alright. It's a