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️ EPISODE 14: “Wait… Is That Cheating? Defining the Line in 2025” · It's Mom O'Clock

• 0:01
  Speaker A: Hello.
• 0:02
  Speaker B: You guys, stop. Is it mama clock yet? I'm going crazy. Heck yeah. It's mama clock. Somewhere.
• 0:31
  Speaker A: We're dressed for the dead of winter right now. We both were in sundresses. Tube top, sundress. I was in a cute like wedding dress.
• 0:39
  Speaker B: I am so happy about it. I wanted to be covered.
• 0:42
  Speaker A: And I go, we have to change. What did we throw on? Jeans and a sweatshirt. Dead of winter.
• 0:47
  Speaker B: I'm so comfy. It's okay. It's ac. We're fine.
• 0:49
  Speaker A: It's fine. We're in cold air condition anyway. Welcome back. Episode 14 I thought it was 13. My bad.
• 0:56
  Speaker B: It's mama clock. Some we think we're dropping the summer.
• 0:59
  Speaker A: We're dropping the somewhere. So it's just mom.
• 1:00
  Speaker B: Cuz we say mama clock. It's mama clock. Mama clock. Cooler, clean, chic. Great. Let's.
• 1:05
  Speaker A: It's mama clock or mama clock.
• 1:07
  Speaker B: Not sure.
• 1:09
  Speaker A: You know what?
• 1:09
  Speaker B: We also we trademark everything, so.
• 1:11
  Speaker A: Yeah. So don't even try everything.
• 1:13
  Speaker B: We own everything. Yeah.
• 1:15
  Speaker A: Should we announce you know who?
• 1:17
  Speaker B: I don't think so yet. But it is so exciting.
• 1:19
  Speaker A: I know.
• 1:19
  Speaker B: I am going to fangirl so hard. No, no.
• 1:23
  Speaker A: Is that what I'm talking about?
• 1:24
  Speaker B: Oh, yes. We should. I wanted to text her before, but she won't care.
• 1:27
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 1:27
  Speaker B: We hired the best person ever.
• 1:30
  Speaker A: We did. We hired a social media manager.
• 1:32
  Speaker B: She is.
• 1:32
  Speaker A: We interview. Okay, first of all, time the fuck out. We had over 50 submissions. Love you girls and guys so much.
• 1:41
  Speaker B: Thank you. Anyone out there who reached out? The resumes, the the point. Even the outpouring of support and love sharing are not that we didn't think.
• 1:49
  Speaker A: We would get people reaching out, but we got. So we still are getting I'm like our hire clothes. Yeah. But we really love you guys. Thank you for applying. We ended up vetting a shit ton of people and we interviewed about 10 and we probably trickled it down to like top three and we chose our one and we're obsessed with her.
• 2:10
  Speaker B: She's the best.
• 2:11
  Speaker A: Also obsessed with us. So that's also a good thing. And she's gonna kick ass. So just be prepared.
• 2:16
  Speaker B: Yeah. Once you see our socials just start changing. Just know that that's not us.
• 2:21
  Speaker A: Shout out to our new girl, our new hire. We love her.
• 2:23
  Speaker B: Love her.
• 2:24
  Speaker A: Okay, let's actually get into it. What are we getting?
• 2:26
  Speaker B: Story of the week.
• 2:27
  Speaker A: Oh, yes. You go first because I actually don't have a story of the week.
• 2:30
  Speaker B: Might be a little triggering for you, but I think you'll be okay.
• 2:33
  Speaker A: Do I have to like, close my ears.
• 2:35
  Speaker B: No, you have to listen up. Open them.
• 2:37
  Speaker A: Why? Okay.
• 2:38
  Speaker B: This is like a low moment I had as a parent.
• 2:41
  Speaker A: Oh, my God.
• 2:42
  Speaker B: Might be the lowest.
• 2:43
  Speaker A: I hate when you don't tell me things in real time.
• 2:45
  Speaker B: I know, but it's so. I feel like I'm gatekeeping from you all the time, like in my life. And then I'm like, okay, I'll save it for the pod. I do that to my mom too. I was like, I don't feel like retelling the show.
• 2:54
  Speaker A: I know, I know.
• 2:55
  Speaker B: Just listen on the pod. And if you don't listen on the pod, then you're missing out. So. Okay. I was giving the kids a bath.
• 3:03
  Speaker A: I'm gonna pass out already.
• 3:04
  Speaker B: Okay, go. And this really. This was the first time that it truly happened. But giving the kids a bath, all of them? Three. I usually do all three of them together. Usually. Joey wants to get out first, then Vienna, but I let the water run out. So he. The faucet is on, but there's no water because I don't trust him by himself in the back. Okay, so I'm cha. So I'm getting the other two into their pajamas. Rock was alone in the bathtub.
• 3:27
  Speaker A: You're not upstairs though?
• 3:28
  Speaker B: No, I'm in the living room.
• 3:29
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 3:30
  Speaker B: Rock was alone in the bathtub, probably for like a couple minutes. Okay. I walk in, ready to get him out. He's holding what seemed to be a rock. And then I look on the floor and there's a lot of other rocks all on the floor. Like, hard.
• 3:44
  Speaker A: Wait, floor of the bathroom or floor of the tub?
• 3:47
  Speaker B: Floor of the bathroom. Lot of big brown looking. Thought they were rocks. Cause Rocco loves rocks. He collects rocks. Every time we're outside, he brings rocks. I found random rocks in my house. Sometimes I found a. One time I found a rock in his crib. Like, that's typical for Rocco. It's his thing. So I was like, where'd you get rocks from? Like, I was just in here. There was no rocks. I look closer. It's poop.
• 4:08
  Speaker A: No.
• 4:09
  Speaker B: So he has poop in his hand. A rock of poop.
• 4:11
  Speaker A: Freaking out.
• 4:12
  Speaker B: There is like seven to ten pebbles thrown on the bathroom floor.
• 4:17
  Speaker A: I'm freaking out.
• 4:19
  Speaker B: Okay. I had. I. I haven't been there in, let's say, four minutes. I was like, did you eat the poop? Cuz he puts rocks in his mouth. I fucking. I smelt his breath. I freaked out. I went into full panic cleaning mode. I picked him up out of the bath. This is my Everyday I, I, I've never like been so horrified because him eating poop is like disturbing. Yeah. So thankfully I don't think he ate it cuz he didn't smell like his mouth. There was no poop in or around his mouth.
• 4:44
  Speaker A: In poop mouth.
• 4:45
  Speaker B: I'm freaking out, but there was everywhere. And I go, rocco, did you eat it? He goes, I have rock, I eat rock. I go, you didn't eat the rock? He goes, I eat rock. And I, I was like, okay, did you? I was like, Joey and Vienna come running in. I have a video, like I took a video of the aftermath because I, I wanted to show you but I actually didn't send it to you of the poop everywhere. Like I, there's video footage, I needed it. But it was like you sanitize though? S. I put on rubber gloves to sanitize. I throw everything throughout the bath mat.
• 5:15
  Speaker A: So you throw out everything.
• 5:16
  Speaker B: So you know how weird I it's gone.
• 5:18
  Speaker A: I would hesitate but like do I.
• 5:19
  Speaker B: Throw this out throughout every bath where they own. Why?
• 5:21
  Speaker A: Because it's gross. Obviously.
• 5:23
  Speaker B: Yeah, and they were like floating turds. It was disgusting.
• 5:26
  Speaker A: Yeah. So everything gets thrown out.
• 5:27
  Speaker B: Gone. Our bathtub looks like a clean white non kid bathtub.
• 5:31
  Speaker A: I love that.
• 5:32
  Speaker B: Not sure if I'll buy new toys.
• 5:33
  Speaker A: No. That is so crazy. So he's never pooped in the bathtub?
• 5:36
  Speaker B: I think one of them has before, but nothing like that.
• 5:38
  Speaker A: Tell me one time because remember when Gio did it, you're like, oh, my.
• 5:41
  Speaker B: Daughter did that again. Vienna did do it. But like, but I mean, you know when like they don't like something, they just throw it out. Like.
• 5:46
  Speaker A: Yeah, does that.
• 5:47
  Speaker B: Chucking pebbles of poop across my bathroom floor.
• 5:50
  Speaker A: I'm going to come to your house, be a pebble like behind your. Yeah, I'm going to freak out. That's crazy. I hate everything about that. Okay, stop pooping in the bathtub. Story of the week for me.
• 6:00
  Speaker B: You have a good one.
• 6:01
  Speaker A: What happened this week?
• 6:03
  Speaker B: Where was I went to the city. Oh, you went on date night.
• 6:06
  Speaker A: Oh, this is the story of the week but has nothing to do with my child. It's not about the child, it's about.
• 6:10
  Speaker B: Whatever you want to do. I need a sip of wine.
• 6:12
  Speaker A: Wait, first of all, can you tell me if I have lipstick on my teeth?
• 6:14
  Speaker B: No, but you got a little gas. Just kidding. No, I was doing the thing you did.
• 6:18
  Speaker A: Do you know what my mom said? She saw that TikTok of me.
• 6:22
  Speaker B: Yeah. She, I go, that was the funniest Thing ever.
• 6:24
  Speaker A: Wasn't it so funny?
• 6:25
  Speaker B: You questioned. He was questioning.
• 6:27
  Speaker A: So my mom goes, you have a gap. Instead of saying, that video was so funny, she goes, you have a gap. My mom.
• 6:31
  Speaker B: Did she not know?
• 6:32
  Speaker A: I. I don't know if anybody. Other moms have gone through this, but I. My teeth moved when I got pregnant. It's like a thing my mom's teeth did, too. And now I have.
• 6:41
  Speaker B: You have nothing on your teeth now.
• 6:42
  Speaker A: I have a gap. Crazy.
• 6:44
  Speaker B: A lot of models have gaps.
• 6:45
  Speaker A: You're fine. So maybe I'll just. Maybe I'll just make them make a gap.
• 6:49
  Speaker B: Can you make these a little wider?
• 6:51
  Speaker A: Anyway, so my husband and I had a date night. He bought me Matt Rife tickets. If you know Matt Rife, he's a comedian. I'm obsessed with him so much.
• 6:58
  Speaker B: He's really funny.
• 6:59
  Speaker A: So funny.
• 7:00
  Speaker B: I looked him up because I didn't really know.
• 7:01
  Speaker A: He's so funny, and he's just like, he doesn't give a fuck, which I love. And he crosses the boundaries, like, enough times where you're like, he can. And he doesn't do it enough where it's, like, annoying. Like, boundaries meaning, like, politics and, like, you know, transgender shit. Like, any of that stuff. Am I going to get in trouble for saying transgender shit in the same tense?
• 7:20
  Speaker B: Probably.
• 7:22
  Speaker A: So he's just all around great. So my husband bought us tickets for Mother's Day. We went the other. We went on Saturday. We went to my favorite restaurant, Masters in the City. If you know, you know, it's so fudgeing good there. Butter cake. Oh, I could just lay on a butter cake for the rest of my life and be happy. And we went to go see Matt Rife, and then we had a night to ourselves, and it was just all around what we needed. I don't need much. I might. You might think I need.
• 7:46
  Speaker B: She doesn't need much. Episode 13 coming at ya like, you.
• 7:51
  Speaker A: May think that I need much, but we just needed this night. And it was so good for us. We had so much fun. And that's all I'll say.
• 7:58
  Speaker B: I'm really happy for you.
• 7:59
  Speaker A: Yeah, we had a really good time.
• 8:00
  Speaker B: Rekindled their love.
• 8:01
  Speaker A: We rekindled our love. And then sometimes we just need that. Of course, we laugh so much. Like, I just love.
• 8:06
  Speaker B: I feel like we're both a little lighter today.
• 8:08
  Speaker A: Do I feel lighter? Do I look lighter?
• 8:11
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 8:11
  Speaker A: Okay, good. Because my jeans are really light right now. Anyway, that's my story of the week. But I love you, hubby.
• 8:17
  Speaker B: Love you too, Miss you today we set up by ourselves again, Hubs.
• 8:24
  Speaker A: We're in it on our own nowadays.
• 8:25
  Speaker B: We are a bunch of go getters.
• 8:28
  Speaker A: All right, so we got something big to tell you guys.
• 8:32
  Speaker B: Well, we have to tease it a little.
• 8:35
  Speaker A: Not us saying the word tease. Not just teasing it, teasing.
• 8:39
  Speaker B: We can't say who yet, but.
• 8:40
  Speaker A: Okay. We can't say who yet.
• 8:41
  Speaker B: Let's just say she's been on your tv. She's been in your ears for years. She's probably been in your group chat texts for over a decade and she's coming to us. Well, we're going to her. We will do anything she says and.
• 8:56
  Speaker A: We will bow down at her feet.
• 8:58
  Speaker B: If she says, get on your knees and do this, I will say, yes, Queen.
• 9:01
  Speaker A: Yes, Queen. So we have a guest and this is her. She is her. We are her and we're so excited for her.
• 9:07
  Speaker B: It's going to be epic. It's iconic, actually.
• 9:10
  Speaker A: Yeah, that's good.
• 9:11
  Speaker B: That's all we're going to say.
• 9:11
  Speaker A: Okay, bye. Next, moving on.
• 9:14
  Speaker B: The scandal of all scandals. We have to talk about it because.
• 9:17
  Speaker A: Everybody'S talking about it. I have so much to say on it. We won't go into detail, but obviously everybody knows the Coldplay situation.
• 9:22
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 9:23
  Speaker A: First of all, Coldplay is like love. Concert of love.
• 9:26
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 9:26
  Speaker A: Why are you bringing your side piece to love? To love a love concert anyway?
• 9:33
  Speaker B: Yeah. That is crazy. The fact that you're gonna bring your, your, your mistress or whatever you are in a very public setting and not think that you could potentially get caught.
• 9:43
  Speaker A: They. First of all, it's either they don't give a fuck. They think they're just too big for people like, for them to get in trouble or we don't know the husband and wife situation.
• 9:53
  Speaker B: I personally think that the wife already knew.
• 9:55
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like, how do you go to a public concert when you're CEO of Astro? What's the company called? This is so bad.
• 10:04
  Speaker B: The AI Data startup. Astronomer.
• 10:06
  Speaker A: I can't say it.
• 10:07
  Speaker B: Astronomer.
• 10:07
  Speaker A: Astronomer. And either one of two things you got going on already and you're separated from your wife. So you guys know that you're both on the page, right?
• 10:15
  Speaker B: You're like on the thing. Yeah.
• 10:16
  Speaker A: Or you think you're. You're not gonna get caught, which probably is crazy.
• 10:21
  Speaker B: I probably thought that she's the head of AI has been all over social media. It's on the news.
• 10:26
  Speaker A: I just get my facts straight because there's so many facts.
• 10:29
  Speaker B: You know what's so crazy? What I've seen AI is AI Is getting sc. Okay. Because there is manufactured videos of like, different ways of the two of them. Of Andy and Kristin. Them, like, not Andy and Kristen. They're my best friends. Of them, like, doing the different, like, top dip and tucks. But, like, so you don't know which is the actual real footage. It's just crazy.
• 10:50
  Speaker A: I just saw the girl who. So the Daily News reached out to the girl who posted the video and she was awesome. But she was like, you were at a concert. I am sure I am not the only one who took a video.
• 11:03
  Speaker B: Right.
• 11:03
  Speaker A: Of the kiss cam and that happening. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who posted it. Her post went viral.
• 11:09
  Speaker B: Right.
• 11:09
  Speaker A: And that's what it came to. Not that she got in trouble or anything, but people are coming out here.
• 11:12
  Speaker B: That was epic that she did that.
• 11:14
  Speaker A: Epic. But the kids are posting about it, which I don't agree with. I don't like that the kids are using their father as clickbait. Is it clickbait or clout?
• 11:21
  Speaker B: I don't know. But I also didn't know what I. What to believe with that. Like, on TikTok, I saw a bunch of. Are you actually.
• 11:27
  Speaker A: The son is getting like millions and millions of views. So he has. Yeah. Kind of looks like the father. But anyway, besides the point, the reason why I bring this up because this whole episode, we're talking about the spectrum of cheating.
• 11:38
  Speaker B: You know what? Actually, fun fact I learned when I was researching this about Coldplay. Yeah. The New York Post survey of pornhub data revealed significant surges in searches for terms like office affair, caught cheating, husband following the scam. Isn't that crazy? I could so see that, though.
• 11:56
  Speaker A: I could so see that. I don't think that's a real thing.
• 11:58
  Speaker B: No, but that is.
• 11:59
  Speaker A: I could totally see that.
• 12:00
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 12:01
  Speaker A: That's fudgeing. Disgusting. That's one and two. I really do feel bad for this wife because. Wants to be exploited.
• 12:08
  Speaker B: No. And like, that's just like an very embarrassing.
• 12:12
  Speaker A: And on top of your CEO.
• 12:14
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 12:14
  Speaker A: And you're the head of hr. He stepped down. He had to step down.
• 12:16
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 12:16
  Speaker A: Michael made a good point. Like, because he. I wouldn't agree with him having to step down because, like, you can't mix business and with pleasure. Although you did, like.
• 12:25
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 12:25
  Speaker A: You know, you still built a career, but you mix business with pleasure by deciding to. Well, that. But also being with the head of.
• 12:33
  Speaker B: Hr, like.
• 12:35
  Speaker A: That'S your job to not have that happen. And you're out at a.
• 12:39
  Speaker B: It's just ironic. That she's the HR chief.
• 12:41
  Speaker A: Yeah. So I feel bad for everybody involved, to be honest with you, because it's got exploited. I feel bad for the couple that was caught on camera. I feel very bad for the wife and kids.
• 12:49
  Speaker B: I feel bad for the friend that was just smiling next to them.
• 12:52
  Speaker A: She's a dumb ass. Like, why are you.
• 12:54
  Speaker B: What was she supposed to do?
• 12:56
  Speaker A: Why was she smiling?
• 12:56
  Speaker B: Because it was funny. Funny.
• 12:58
  Speaker A: Yeah. I guess she's just lighthearted. I think that girl is.
• 13:00
  Speaker B: I love her. We could get her on.
• 13:02
  Speaker A: Yeah. I have a lot to ask her. But no, I mean, all around, like, shitty situation for sure. It just sucks. Like, this day and age is socials. Like, everything is on social media. Everything's in the cloud. You should know better than to put yourself out.
• 13:15
  Speaker B: Which brings us to this episode.
• 13:16
  Speaker A: If you're not fudgeing happy, leave your significant other.
• 13:18
  Speaker B: This episode is about. Is that cheating? Finding the lines in 2025 of what cheating actually is.
• 13:26
  Speaker A: This spectrum is crazy.
• 13:28
  Speaker B: There is a. There is a lot of gray areas. It is just like a big rainbow of toxicity.
• 13:36
  Speaker A: There's just a lot to consider with cheating in 2025. I feel.
• 13:40
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 13:40
  Speaker A: You know what I mean?
• 13:41
  Speaker B: I feel like back in the day, it was either, oh, they had sex or they didn't, and. All right, that's it.
• 13:45
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 13:45
  Speaker B: And I was cheating and then. But, like, now there's so much, like, sneaky sticking around.
• 13:49
  Speaker A: But do you want to, like, drop the spectrum of cheating?
• 13:54
  Speaker B: Yeah. Well, so we. We made a little poll.
• 13:57
  Speaker A: Yeah. So I posted a poll on Mama Clock and a shit ton of people.
• 14:00
  Speaker B: We wanted to hear what viewers thought, like, what they thought cheating was like.
• 14:03
  Speaker A: So I posted four options of what you think cheating is. It was messaging in the DMs, like, catching up, quote unquote. It was late night. Liking thirst traps.
• 14:15
  Speaker B: Liking those tracks.
• 14:16
  Speaker A: It was emotional connection with no physical.
• 14:20
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 14:21
  Speaker A: And then the last one was dm. Thirst traps.
• 14:26
  Speaker B: Physical affair or. No, I wasn't. No, we can't even get it right. Deleting messages. No, that was one.
• 14:32
  Speaker A: Yes, that was the last one. Deleting. Yes, that was the last one. Yep. So those are the four. The biggest one, I think is obvious that everyone voted for what everyone said all the above. I was like, all right, guys, didn't give the option, but.
• 14:45
  Speaker B: But the emotional.
• 14:46
  Speaker A: The emotional without the physical. I agree with that because I would be devastated if my husband had an emotional connection with somebody. That just goes to show he wants somebody more than me. And I'm just a piece of shit.
• 14:58
  Speaker B: So I think with cheating, it's like. So when somebody cheats, obviously they're not getting something in the relationship that they have. Right. I think they're looking at where they're. They're trying to find something. Whether it's like.
• 15:10
  Speaker A: Or they're a narcissist, I don't really know.
• 15:12
  Speaker B: Yeah, they could be that, too. But I just feel like it all comes down to something is lacking in the relationship and they're looking elsewhere for that.
• 15:19
  Speaker A: Correct.
• 15:19
  Speaker B: Right.
• 15:19
  Speaker A: Yeah, I agree.
• 15:20
  Speaker B: So. But for me, and I think for a lot of people, like, cheating, there is, like, such a big.
• 15:27
  Speaker A: There's a spectrum.
• 15:28
  Speaker B: We're going to talk about the whole spectrum. But the bottom line about cheating is the worst part is the betrayal and the lies. Like, and the. I would be around, like, if I.
• 15:35
  Speaker A: Wasn'T on sex with someone, Okay. I would never want any of this to happen to me, but my husband had sex with somebody. I would say, you divorce, see you later. But I wouldn't walk away. Hurt, destroyed, sick to my stomach. I would move on. If there was, like, an emotional. Emotional connection. I betrayed, I would be sick.
• 15:55
  Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, there's definitely. There's a lot. We're gonna dive into it.
• 15:59
  Speaker A: We're gonna dive into it. But I want to talk about the spectrum that I post, that I posted, that I sent you guys, but I can't find it. Can you?
• 16:06
  Speaker B: I don't have my phone, but all I know is that kissing was at the very end. Some people might think that having sex is less offensive than kissing is what.
• 16:18
  Speaker A: But I kind of agree with it.
• 16:20
  Speaker B: I could see that. I mean, because, like, kissing can be super intimate. I mean, it depends what kind of sex. Like, if you're fucking making love, then obviously that's more than cheating. But if you're just like.
• 16:27
  Speaker A: Yeah, but the emotional connection would have to be there prior to that.
• 16:30
  Speaker B: But that's my whole thing about, like, bubbles in a blowjob. Like, there's no emotional connection.
• 16:34
  Speaker A: Bubbles was going to get brought into this. No, I agree. But I'm also crazier than you.
• 16:40
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 16:40
  Speaker A: And I also am married to Michael also.
• 16:43
  Speaker B: There are so many things that go into it. Like, it depends on your partner, like, who you're married to. Like, I know my husband goes to work every day and he's talking to a bunch of construction workers. He's not seeing any hot baristas walking around for works. Even if he was, he has no game.
• 16:59
  Speaker A: Aw, we love you.
• 17:00
  Speaker B: No, but he. I think it depends about who like who you interact with. Like, I was just talking to my girlfriend. Like her husband is. He does medical sales. So he's always around like hot beautiful women.
• 17:14
  Speaker A: Oh yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker B: Like sales. She, like obviously she's very comfortable in her marriage now. But like there was a time where she wasn't. And there was like, it was, it was really hard to trust somebody.
• 17:26
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like, especially if you're not. Even if you're married. But I just feel like in a work environment and so hard. Like even where I used to work, it was all young, good looking guys at your place.
• 17:35
  Speaker B: Yeah. And it's like that's pool of just like definitely is. And was.
• 17:39
  Speaker A: I think a lot of people are married now and having children.
• 17:42
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 17:42
  Speaker A: But I think it's really hard like for someone who doesn't. But Michael always. My husband always shouts at the top of his lungs, like, if you're confident, like why. Like if I'm confident myself, like, why would I ever think like.
• 17:55
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker A: I'm like, okay, I know, I understand.
• 17:58
  Speaker B: Jealousy is a thing.
• 18:00
  Speaker A: Yeah, totally. But we're. Okay, we're getting. Oh, we're getting, we're getting. We're getting sideways. But so we did the poll. Everyone voted for the no physical but emotional connection was like their top cheating.
• 18:12
  Speaker B: Right.
• 18:12
  Speaker A: Okay. So obviously there's a spectrum. I can't find the picture right now, but it's fine. Me and my husband will send in the meantime. But anyway, what brought my, what was brought to my attention that really like opened my eyes a little bit was there's a controversy from kissing and sex.
• 18:26
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 18:27
  Speaker A: To me, if someone were to say sex done.
• 18:29
  Speaker B: Right. But, but if you really think about.
• 18:32
  Speaker A: It, really think about it, kissing is worse than sex because sex can just be sex.
• 18:37
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 18:38
  Speaker A: And I'm not saying any of this is what I believe in.
• 18:41
  Speaker B: Just talking. Yeah.
• 18:41
  Speaker A: But kissing, like it is more like emotionally attached when you're like making out and like, you know, I mean it could be.
• 18:48
  Speaker B: But also like people go back and forth. It could just be like if you're talking about like a drunk make out versus a drunk. Right. Sex.
• 18:55
  Speaker A: But wouldn't you think? I don't know what would be worse.
• 18:58
  Speaker B: I mean also, people are also kissing during sex. Unless you're absolutely not. And then, yeah, I love you.
• 19:05
  Speaker A: But I don't know people. That's like a huge controversy on the cheating spectrum. Like kissing worse than.
• 19:10
  Speaker B: Your husband always used to set his, his running joke with me and Joey was like, do you guys even kiss while you have sex?
• 19:16
  Speaker A: It's the funniest thing I never heard him say. That's so funny.
• 19:19
  Speaker B: Do you used to say it all, but do you? As we do.
• 19:23
  Speaker A: But you'd be like, I want to see you guys make out.
• 19:25
  Speaker B: Okay, I'll show you. Watch.
• 19:27
  Speaker A: You would love that. Okay.
• 19:29
  Speaker B: But I think that cheating in this era. Era. This digital social media era is crazy. It's bad. There are so many ways to get caught. There are so many different outlets to cheat. Ways to cheat. You could have secret profiles.
• 19:46
  Speaker A: You could Snapchat.
• 19:47
  Speaker B: Snapchat. That they made an app for cheaters, basically. Well, they actually did make an app for cheaters, but Snapchat. I'm talking about the messages.
• 19:54
  Speaker A: Just delete. How it's crazy.
• 19:57
  Speaker B: That is crazy.
• 19:58
  Speaker A: No, it's so fud up.
• 19:59
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker A: Like this digital age, so if you want to call it that, you can sneakily be having a fair for years and not get caught.
• 20:08
  Speaker B: But also, like, you could get caught because there's NEST cameras and yeah.
• 20:11
  Speaker A: There's also more technology. So if you want to look at the other way, you can easily get caught. But I just think, like, my biggest thing honestly is like, being sneaky like that.
• 20:20
  Speaker B: Yeah, the sneaky that's like, to me.
• 20:22
  Speaker A: It'S like, you think I'm that naive, right? That you're not gonna get caught.
• 20:26
  Speaker B: Right.
• 20:27
  Speaker A: Watch me.
• 20:28
  Speaker B: Yeah, I feel like you'd be a really good detective.
• 20:30
  Speaker A: Oh, totally. I honestly think a cheating detective. No, I think, like, so I think back in the day, like, with my exes or like, one of my exes, like, I was known to his friends as like, like, have you ever been.
• 20:42
  Speaker B: Like, hardcore cheated on?
• 20:44
  Speaker A: You asked me this.
• 20:45
  Speaker B: Not in front of viewers.
• 20:47
  Speaker A: I have never been hardcore cheated on where it was like a scandal. Like, my first boyfriend back in the day, I went to Europe with my family. This was like, in high school. And I saw like, a picture on Facebook of this girl, like, straddling. He was like, at a short house with his cousin. Stuff. A girl, like, straddling my boyfriend at the time.
• 21:06
  Speaker B: I guess, like, game over for you.
• 21:08
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I think that that's what, like, broke us up for sure. Like, but I never was. I would never come out and say I was cheated on.
• 21:15
  Speaker B: Like, you're not like a scorned woman that was cheated on.
• 21:17
  Speaker A: Right.
• 21:17
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 21:18
  Speaker A: But I honestly like cheating when you're like, in high school like that to cheating when, like, you're in a marriage is like, so different.
• 21:23
  Speaker B: And that's what I really want to get into.
• 21:25
  Speaker A: You're just an asshole.
• 21:26
  Speaker B: Yeah, Like, I. I Think when you're in, like, a committed marriage and you start a. And you have, like, a family, you're.
• 21:34
  Speaker A: Doing more to just me then.
• 21:35
  Speaker B: Yeah. Like, it is so different to think back. Like, I'm going to talk about myself. Like, thinking back to Joe and I, when we were. We had. We had one year. I went to South Carolina my freshman year. He went to Rutgers. We were in an open relationship. We 100% were open.
• 21:51
  Speaker A: I'm out. Well, back to the conversation you had before you left. What made you go to South Carolina because you wanted to do.
• 21:56
  Speaker B: I wanted to. Yeah. So we were together for four years in. In high school. I wanted to follow the sun. I wanted palm trees. I wanted that experience, and I wanted to get away. Like, I. I wanted to follow the sun.
• 22:09
  Speaker A: And adorable.
• 22:11
  Speaker B: And I knew that in my heart of hearts, I thought back then that he was the one for me. But I would not know that unless I experienced other things. And I am so happy that we did that. And I. I think that if we didn't do that, we wouldn't have made it.
• 22:26
  Speaker A: Really?
• 22:27
  Speaker B: Yeah. I truly do.
• 22:28
  Speaker A: What did you do in South Carolina? Did you know, when I applied to Coast Carolina, we went into school together.
• 22:32
  Speaker B: Oh, my God, such a fun. That was. No, I went to College of Charleston.
• 22:35
  Speaker A: Yeah, I went always different.
• 22:37
  Speaker B: I partied there, though. But that was fun place. Yeah, but, like, I mean, he. We had a don't ask, don't tell situation.
• 22:42
  Speaker A: But you still talked every day.
• 22:44
  Speaker B: We talked.
• 22:45
  Speaker A: Visited.
• 22:45
  Speaker B: Yeah, we visited. Like, I remember being in my dorm room and, like, stalking his Facebook because it was all about Facebook back then.
• 22:51
  Speaker A: Yeah, I remember.
• 22:52
  Speaker B: And seeing, like, a girl comment. Like, it was fun studying with you. Like, maybe we'll do it again sometime. And I like, speaking spiraled. Even though, like, that was, like, he was allowed.
• 23:01
  Speaker A: So you never said anything to him?
• 23:02
  Speaker B: No. So then. Then I was like, okay, like, we need to, like, really not rub it in each other's faces. Like, we have the conversation where, like, we're gonna do what we want. Don't, don't look, don't tell, don't ask. Which was really hard to do. Like, as just a girl. Like, I remember being in my dorm room thinking, like, what's he doing? Like, and then seeing pictures. But, like, also on the other end, like, I was out and I was having my own fun, so it was okay. Like, I was able to survive the year. But I mean, sucks for him because, like, I ended up transferring home and, like, the. All the girls, like, told me everything he ever did, like.
• 23:38
  Speaker A: But did you? All right, so wait, let's go back. So you went to South Carolina. You planned this. Like, we need to do this. We need this for ourselves. You go to South Carolina, he goes to Rutgers. First thing you, like. One of the things you saw with some of the comments, so obviously, you know, okay, he's starting it up. He's starting to do this.
• 23:51
  Speaker B: I mean, I thought. But I also know the type of guy he is. Like, he's not maybe actually studying.
• 23:54
  Speaker A: He's actually studying with a girl. But.
• 23:57
  Speaker B: But I also, like, I want him to, like.
• 23:58
  Speaker A: I know. I have so many questions, though, because I literally think I still have Facebook fights with my ex from back in the day. Like, yeah, that's how. Like, when I was at college and he was at college, I think we were like, Facebook was a thing you.
• 24:09
  Speaker B: Said, but Facebook was different back then. You couldn't see wall to wall.
• 24:12
  Speaker A: No, you couldn't. But I would go nuts. Like, I would spiral, and I would be the one to actually, like, say something. So did you never, ever say anything? I don't think, like, you saw the comment. Did you ever bring it up?
• 24:22
  Speaker B: Probably, but, like, not in a. Not in a, Like a fight way. Like, I just brought it up. And then I think from that time, okay, if we're gonna do this and we're gonna get through this, we're not gonna put in each other's faces. We're not. Nothing's gonna be out. I mean, it was easier back then because it wasn't like, social media was so crazy. So, like, that little snippet of me seeing that on Facebook was. Was hard, but now it would be a lot harder, like, because it was just one little thing.
• 24:48
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like, now it'd be more in your face.
• 24:50
  Speaker B: But I do remember, like, so he. I saw all these, like, new friends. He was, like, connecting with, like, just like, you got your friend request, whatever. And I remember seeing who. Who now is my absolute best friend ever. But I. I saw her. She was a hot Rutgers cheerleader, and I was like, it's over for me. Like, she was way hotter than me, looked way cooler than me. I mean, she was a cheerleader. She. She. She had a six pack. She had huge boobs. Like, I was like, this is it. I'm. I'm out. And, like, I remember thinking that I.
• 25:20
  Speaker A: Have to move to South Carolina.
• 25:22
  Speaker B: And I remember being like, like. Like crying, like, about it, like, upset, but also knowing that, like, I have to still go out and, like, do my thing with my friends and Like, I remember, like, asking my roommates, like, how much hotter is she than me? Like, Like I thought that this girl was like, the new girlfriend. And it's so funny now because, like, now she is my best friend. And, like, I transferred to Rutgers and she was my roommate. Like, she. I lived with her. And then I was like. And it's just like the running joke. I was like, I thought you and Joey were full blown and she was.
• 25:52
  Speaker A: Running away into the sunset.
• 25:53
  Speaker B: And knowing her now, like, she is such a. Like a. She's the girls girl, but also she is like a dude. So, like, she's like one of the boys. Did she ever hook up with no.
• 26:03
  Speaker A: Joey?
• 26:03
  Speaker B: No, she never hooked up. But she told me everything that Joey did because, oh, yeah, they were all. They lived on the freshman floor together. So that's how I connected with them. Because Joey was like, my girlfriend is transferring here. Do you guys think that she could live with you? And they were like, yeah, of course.
• 26:19
  Speaker A: We still called you his girlfriend.
• 26:20
  Speaker B: Yeah, I was still his girlfriend. We never broke up.
• 26:23
  Speaker A: So. So he was like, hooking up with the girls and saying, like, I have a girlfriend.
• 26:25
  Speaker B: But I think he said that I'm in a open relationship. I don't know what he said. I. I told guys that I didn't talk about him.
• 26:35
  Speaker A: That way. This is so good. I have more questions for you. So just becoming a podcast about, you.
• 26:40
  Speaker B: Know, it's not we're about to switch, but it is interesting because I.
• 26:44
  Speaker A: So interesting.
• 26:45
  Speaker B: You're. That year, like, made us appreciate each other.
• 26:48
  Speaker A: Why are we talking about this? Because people would think that's, like, cheating, right?
• 26:51
  Speaker B: But it wasn't cheating because it was. We. We declared the rules and it wasn't cheating because we said it wasn't.
• 26:57
  Speaker A: Did you sleep with other people?
• 26:58
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 26:58
  Speaker A: Did he sleep with other people?
• 27:00
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 27:00
  Speaker A: Interesting. Like, how many. It's a year full of people.
• 27:04
  Speaker B: We're not telling you. We're not telling you.
• 27:05
  Speaker A: Do you know till this day, you do not know how many people he slept with?
• 27:08
  Speaker B: Oh, no, I know everything.
• 27:09
  Speaker A: He did everything.
• 27:10
  Speaker B: I mean, from what the girls know, he was like, so my husband is not a player.
• 27:15
  Speaker A: He's not. My God, my husband. I can't even fathom the fact of him at Rutgers for a year by himself doing whatever.
• 27:21
  Speaker B: And honestly, that's why I think it worked for us, because I know his heart. Like, I know who he is.
• 27:28
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 27:29
  Speaker B: And also, like, he. We also were still talking. Like, we talked about how much we missed each other recently. Yeah.
• 27:33
  Speaker A: So, like, that's always in his head. So he, like, obviously didn't.
• 27:36
  Speaker B: Like. I remember one time it was his birthday, and I wanted to surprise him, and my dad actually was like, you can't just go surprise him. Yeah, like, what if he's with me? And I was like, why not? Like. And he was like, well, what if he's with somebody? And I was like, he wouldn't be like, it's his birthday. Like, I'm gonna surprise him. I did surprise him. No, but I talked to his roommate, and of course his roommate made sure that he wasn't with anybody. I literally knocked on his dorm room, and I was, like, so excited. And he was fine. He was so excited to see me. It was amazing. Like, his roommate got out. We, like, had fun all over the dorm room. And I remember going into the bathroom. Cause they had, like, those joint bathrooms on the floor. And the. And my. The girl that I thought that he was hooking up with came into the bathroom, and, like, I was, like, fixing my boobs. And I, like, I wanted to, like, make her know that, like, I was here. Like, my boyfriend.
• 28:23
  Speaker A: Did she say hi?
• 28:24
  Speaker B: Yeah, like, she said hi. But, like, it was awkward. It was like. It was weird, and I was so nervous.
• 28:29
  Speaker A: Oh, my God. I feel. I can't hate that feeling.
• 28:32
  Speaker B: Yeah, it's a bad feeling.
• 28:33
  Speaker A: Wow. So I can't believe that you made it through a year knowing what he's doing. You guys are, like, really good people knowing what he's doing. He's knowing what you're doing. And you still went to go visit, and it was all, yeah, Gucci.
• 28:43
  Speaker B: I mean, it really was. We. We went to the. Like, we planned vacations over that year. We saw each other, like, a good amount.
• 28:50
  Speaker A: That is. That. That's why you guys are so strong, I have to say.
• 28:53
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 28:53
  Speaker A: Because I could never. But I think if I were to do that with somebody back at that time, like, I just wasn't strong enough for that. You guys had a good. You had a good core relationship prior to doing.
• 29:04
  Speaker B: We had a good foundation. And also, I think it really drives deep into the type of man I knew he was. Like, he, like, he grew up. He saw his parents had cheating, like, my parents had cheating. Like, we. We know that cheating was, like, not what we wanted to be doing, but, like, defining our sort of cheating.
• 29:22
  Speaker A: This is where the spectrum comes.
• 29:23
  Speaker B: Like. Like, and even now, still, like, if someone slid into his DMs, like, that wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Or if he went to go get, like, a Happy ending. That wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Just because I know from a physical standpoint, like, if that's what he really needed, that's okay. Like, does that make you feel like.
• 29:40
  Speaker A: Okay, why can't I give you the happy ending?
• 29:43
  Speaker B: Well, no, I don't even think of it like that. No.
• 29:46
  Speaker A: Like, that's so crazy.
• 29:47
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker A: And like, that's another woman touching your husband, though. Yeah.
• 29:51
  Speaker B: But like, I don't know.
• 29:52
  Speaker A: I guess I'm just so territorial maybe.
• 29:54
  Speaker B: Yeah. Like, I'm not.
• 29:55
  Speaker A: I mean, it just goes to show, like, you had that year where you were able to get through that and still, like, not come to him and visit him at Rutgers in a spiteful way. Like, you came to enjoy time knowing all of he's been doing. Knowing that you're still doing whatever you're doing too. Like, you guys both were able to, like, put that aside. Yeah, that's like strong will. That's crazy. That takes. That takes a lot. Yeah, really does.
• 30:16
  Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, also, like, I feel like even I just having this met with these things.
• 30:19
  Speaker A: Yeah, keep going.
• 30:21
  Speaker B: No, like, so we were together for four years in high school, but prom week. Did you guys have prom weekend? Like, prom weekend was like, always, like, our thing. And we were like, okay, we're gonna have a hall pass prom weekend. Like, we were together for four years. We wanted to, like, see if anyone would want to hook up with us prom weekend.
• 30:34
  Speaker A: So, like, my high school would never do that. Like, when you're with somebody, you're with somebody. Like, no one would ever, like, oh.
• 30:38
  Speaker B: Well, maybe we're just creating a. I don't know. So we did do that, and it was hysterical. It was like.
• 30:45
  Speaker A: You actually did that?
• 30:46
  Speaker B: Like, yeah, it was the talk of the town. And teachers found out, like, teachers.
• 30:49
  Speaker A: He hooked up with someone else and you hooked up with somebody.
• 30:51
  Speaker B: Yeah, but I mean, we were just like, wasted. It was just like. Like a make out. Like, it was like a nothing. Like, it was not a thing. If it's just nothing. It seems so minuscule to me right now in my stage of life. I have three children with this man. And even still, like, if I were to. I think if I were to find out that he did something like 17 years ago or like even seven years ago, like when we weren't married. Like, I just feel like it's so. Like, I know the bond that we have, what we built. Like, it's like, I don't know, it doesn't bother me like that.
• 31:18
  Speaker A: Oh, my God. If I found out While I was with this man.
• 31:23
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 31:23
  Speaker A: That he was doing something.
• 31:24
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker A: Over. I mean, like. But scissor to the ribbon cut. Walk away.
• 31:29
  Speaker B: Yeah. Even right now, while you have a kid. Like, years. You haven't been together for years. Like, it's just.
• 31:36
  Speaker A: I'm talking about when I was with Michael, not when I wasn't with Michael.
• 31:38
  Speaker B: No, I know. I just think that. I don't know. I think you have to weigh the.
• 31:43
  Speaker A: I still don't know. Like, to me, like, see, to me you're with me or you're not with me. I'm not gonna have an open relationship with you.
• 31:53
  Speaker B: Right.
• 31:53
  Speaker A: Well, that, to me, is considered cheating.
• 31:55
  Speaker B: Yeah. I just feel like. But you feel like they aren't, like, supposed to be monogamous. Think about all the people in your life, all the good relationships that you think are good.
• 32:05
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 32:06
  Speaker B: Like, are people really meant to be monogamous with one person for the rest of their life?
• 32:11
  Speaker A: No, I think it's crazy that these women are. And no offense to you, are married to a man, and that's the only person you've ever had sex with. Listen. To each their own. Or any person that's the only person you've ever been with. Teach their own.
• 32:23
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 32:24
  Speaker A: No judgment. All good. If you're happy, you're happy. You have children. Family love that for you.
• 32:29
  Speaker B: Right.
• 32:29
  Speaker A: But to me, like, that's why you.
• 32:31
  Speaker B: Think you should get everything out of the way before you get married. Yeah. But also, like. I mean, like, with mom talk, like, there. Like, there are a lot of marriages. People do swing. People are open. Like, it is just. It's just like a new era of, like, of. I just feel like it is so. It's crazy to think about you being with this one person for the rest of your life and them not, like, wanting to look elsewhere. Like Joey always says, like, if I'm not looking, I'm dead. And, like. Like, if I'm not. Like, if his eye isn't looking, he's. He's dead. Which he said his grandpa used to say, which I kind of could appreciate because, like, he has to. Like, he only can look at me for the rest of his life. Like, I don't even want that.
• 33:09
  Speaker A: Oh, that's crazy.
• 33:10
  Speaker B: But I just feel like you should be.
• 33:12
  Speaker A: But I believe that you should marry someone who's, like, wants to be with you forever.
• 33:16
  Speaker B: And I still.
• 33:18
  Speaker A: Everybody else you look. You're looking at should be below. I truly believe in that. But I just think, like.
• 33:25
  Speaker B: I also think that, like, it's kind of like, when you tell a little kid, like, you cannot eat that candy.
• 33:31
  Speaker A: You cannot eat that candy.
• 33:32
  Speaker B: They want to eat that candy. If you tell your husband, you cannot follow that Instagram hot person. You can't do that only. And then they want it more. Like, yeah, I know you're not like that, but I'm just saying, like, people are like that. They're like, how could you follow her? That's just an insecurity. That's.
• 33:47
  Speaker A: To Michael's point, like, that is an insecurity within yourself. Like, if Michael ever told me, I can't, can't, can't. Which he has never done.
• 33:54
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 33:55
  Speaker A: That's him being insecure. Not insecure about our relationship.
• 33:58
  Speaker B: Yeah. I think that's the thing about Joe and I. Like, we're. I'm very secure with us. Yeah, that, like.
• 34:03
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 34:04
  Speaker B: I mean, people might think that's naive, but, like, that's just how I feel. Like, I am so secure in our love. And, like, I think the way. Yeah, okay.
• 34:11
  Speaker A: As a woman and a man, Like, I. Not. I'm saying. Not saying Joey and Emily. I'm saying, as a woman.
• 34:16
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 34:16
  Speaker A: To think, like, you're so secure. Like, you hear these stories and you see these relationships. You're like, what?
• 34:23
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, you know the reality TV shows that any housewife that was ever on basically, is getting divorced because they were not in the reality.
• 34:31
  Speaker A: I'm talking about, like, people walking on the street. Like, I just feel like. But to your point of Joey being a certain person, and that's why you look at the spectrum of cheating differently. I feel that, like, it also depends on the man that you're with.
• 34:43
  Speaker B: Yes. I actually just thought.
• 34:45
  Speaker A: Also, I just saw that the blankets not covering that thing is bothering.
• 34:48
  Speaker B: Oh, no. Yeah, because it's making me sweat over here.
• 34:51
  Speaker A: Not me interrupting the cheating scandal. But no, I mean, I agree. Like, I. If I was in your shoes, though, and I was with a Joey, you wouldn't.
• 34:58
  Speaker B: I don't think.
• 34:59
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think I would feel what you're feeling. Because Joey, I understand what you're saying, that Joey, like, doesn't have that way about him. And I'm not saying my husband's sneaky, because he's not.
• 35:07
  Speaker B: No. But. But he's.
• 35:08
  Speaker A: Women think about the other side. Like, the women side of it.
• 35:12
  Speaker B: Women are trolls. They don't care.
• 35:15
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 35:15
  Speaker B: I also think, like, now, in the. In the, like, just life that we have now, thinking about him ever doing that. Yeah. But, like, where would it be realistic? Let's just say, like, I don't know. I feel like parents. There are a lot of parents that have affairs with, like, other people. Like the kid's mom, your kids, friends. Yes. Like, so, like, that would be like the most realistic thing.
• 35:36
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like your best friends. And then the husband sleeps with the best friend.
• 35:38
  Speaker B: Right. Like you, or not even like the best friend. Just. Just like you're at pickup all the time or your kids are playing all the time and like the. The wife and the other husband, like, get a little too close. Like, I feel like that happens often.
• 35:50
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 35:50
  Speaker B: And that to me is like, I.
• 35:52
  Speaker A: Think it's really hard sometimes, like, just depending on the man that you're with. Like, for you, I'm not gonna say you have the easy way out, but your husband, like you said, not a player, not a flirter, not a ladies man type of vibe. I mean, the women love him. He's handsome, he's tall, he's a good guy. People obsess over him, but he doesn't have that vibe back.
• 36:08
  Speaker B: No. On our honeymoon, there was actually this one couple who was like, the wife wanted to have sex with my husband. It was just so. I mean, she was like 60. She was older, and it was just like. So she was like so out there and I was just like, laughing. Like, to me, that's like flattery. Like, I want you to want to fuck my husband.
• 36:25
  Speaker A: I kind of. I like that. If I'm there.
• 36:27
  Speaker B: If you're there. Yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker A: I think it's turn on when I'm.
• 36:29
  Speaker B: There and if you're not.
• 36:30
  Speaker A: And I like that. Like another woman.
• 36:32
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 36:32
  Speaker A: Yeah. But not if I'm not. Like, I don't like that. But anyway, like, my husband works in like a building full of like a million different people.
• 36:41
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 36:41
  Speaker A: Literally, like, there's gym, there's Pilates, there's coffee, there's everything. So, like. And he's a charming motherfucker.
• 36:50
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 36:50
  Speaker A: I will pull those blue eyes right from out of his eye sockets.
• 36:53
  Speaker B: Okay. He is so charming and hot.
• 36:55
  Speaker A: He is. And I know that.
• 36:57
  Speaker B: But you're secure with.
• 36:58
  Speaker A: I'm so secure with him. Him. And I don't think. And he would net. He is so respectful. He would never cross that line. But again, what line is crossing to you?
• 37:06
  Speaker B: Stop right there. Let's play a game. What's the crossing line? Let's do it. Okay, I'm going to ask you. So you're going to tell me if that's cheating or like, it's okay. Like maybe red flag or. Absolutely fudgeing. Sign divorce papers. Okay. He liked his ex's vacation pic and she's in a song.
• 37:23
  Speaker A: Annoying.
• 37:24
  Speaker B: Okay. She DMed happy birthday to a guy she used to hook up with.
• 37:28
  Speaker A: She or he.
• 37:29
  Speaker B: Well, I guess he.
• 37:30
  Speaker A: He. Say it again.
• 37:31
  Speaker B: He DM'd. Happy birthday to a girl he used to hook up with. DM'd.
• 37:36
  Speaker A: Let's talk about it.
• 37:37
  Speaker B: That doesn't bother me like that. I wouldn't even. That was nothing. It was like my dog's yesterday. I don't have a dog.
• 37:43
  Speaker A: Oh, my God. Really? No. That bothers the out of me.
• 37:46
  Speaker B: God. He Snapchats. He Snapchats a girl he met at the gym daily but insists she's just chilling. Oh, done.
• 37:55
  Speaker A: Oh, we are. We are having a very long conversation about that. And I'm threatening.
• 38:03
  Speaker B: He went to get lunch with a girl co worker but didn't mention it to you.
• 38:07
  Speaker A: Oh, nothing. It might.
• 38:08
  Speaker B: Okay, you heard him tell someone he's married, but it's complicated.
• 38:15
  Speaker A: Divorce.
• 38:17
  Speaker B: I feel like you would say that.
• 38:18
  Speaker A: Just to get you God damn mind. You know that words bother me more than anything.
• 38:22
  Speaker B: He follows a girl influencer purely because of her fitness tips.
• 38:27
  Speaker A: Doesn't bother me.
• 38:28
  Speaker B: Okay. He plays video games and voice chats every night with his gaming girl.
• 38:32
  Speaker A: I don't know anything about the gaming era.
• 38:34
  Speaker B: Oh, my God. You don't have a husband that plays video games. Neither do I, but I was with a couple that the husband. All he does is playing video games. He talks to girls I don't know about.
• 38:42
  Speaker A: Is that a way of cheating?
• 38:43
  Speaker B: Yes, absolutely. Oh, yes, it is a way of cheating.
• 38:47
  Speaker A: Nothing about that.
• 38:47
  Speaker B: It's a secret way of cheating.
• 38:48
  Speaker A: I know nothing about that.
• 38:50
  Speaker B: Yes, he texted his ex after a fight just to vent conversation. Divorce. No.
• 38:57
  Speaker A: Not talking to you for a week.
• 38:58
  Speaker B: Okay. He saved someone's selfie from Instagram as inspiration.
• 39:02
  Speaker A: Inspiration for what? Inspiration for what?
• 39:06
  Speaker B: All right. He has a private Instagram account.
• 39:09
  Speaker A: Private is divorce.
• 39:11
  Speaker B: He deleted a flirty text and said it didn't mean anything.
• 39:15
  Speaker A: Divorce. I take that back, honey. But you're in trouble.
• 39:20
  Speaker B: He wears a necklace from his ex.
• 39:22
  Speaker A: That's weird. You're a weirdo.
• 39:24
  Speaker B: He swiped on Bumble to see if he still had it.
• 39:27
  Speaker A: Bumble. Divorce.
• 39:32
  Speaker B: He calls another woman babe at work. But, like, sarcastically, my husband drops babe more. I was just gonna say, if you don't know your husband calls people baby.
• 39:40
  Speaker A: I can't stand it.
• 39:41
  Speaker B: Then you don't know your husband.
• 39:42
  Speaker A: I can't stand it.
• 39:43
  Speaker B: Okay, but he doesn't. But, babe, like, he's cheating on you.
• 39:45
  Speaker A: He Says no, but he goes like. Like, no, I don't like it. But he doesn't.
• 39:49
  Speaker B: He has a fake contact in his phone for someone he's texting.
• 39:54
  Speaker A: Divorce. Divorce.
• 39:56
  Speaker B: He met up with an ex to get closure.
• 39:59
  Speaker A: Divorce. What?
• 40:00
  Speaker B: I would pretend you're not married.
• 40:01
  Speaker A: Okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna pretend I'm not dramatic. And it's. I'm on a podcast being dramatic. What was that question?
• 40:08
  Speaker B: He met up with an ex to get closure.
• 40:10
  Speaker A: If he were to sit me down and say, hon, I need closure from. For me to move on. Let him. Okay, he might not come back through that door, but let him.
• 40:21
  Speaker B: He said I love you back to a friend because he didn't want to be awkward, like, in a conversation, like, love you too.
• 40:27
  Speaker A: Oh, he always does that.
• 40:28
  Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, you passed. That was the game.
• 40:31
  Speaker A: Did I? Because I think I'm getting a divorce. What's next?
• 40:36
  Speaker B: I mean, I have a lot of games, but we could also talk about all the other stuff.
• 40:39
  Speaker A: Okay, so back to regular programming, because that game just stressed me out. I just feel like the spectrum of cheating is like, who's your hall pass? I knew you were gonna ask me this. Let's talk about it. Yeah, let me talk to. Let me talk to you about it.
• 40:55
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 40:56
  Speaker A: Like, what. What whole pass would be. What would Joey's whole pass?
• 41:00
  Speaker B: Me. Oh, some porn star he loves.
• 41:03
  Speaker A: Oh, porn star.
• 41:04
  Speaker B: I think so. Okay. Yeah. What about, like, if it was, like, a real person?
• 41:10
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like, would you let him?
• 41:12
  Speaker B: Probably my girlfriend that I thought he was hooking up.
• 41:14
  Speaker A: That's your. That'll be a hall pass.
• 41:15
  Speaker B: I mean, he's obsessed with. With her.
• 41:17
  Speaker A: Oh, my God. So, yeah, whole pass.
• 41:19
  Speaker B: Yeah. Like, who I would let him.
• 41:21
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 41:22
  Speaker B: Oh, who I would let him. I mean, go for it. He could try.
• 41:29
  Speaker A: Wouldn't succeed.
• 41:30
  Speaker B: He could try, actually, if they said yes to foursome, I'm in for it.
• 41:35
  Speaker A: You absolutely would be in for.
• 41:36
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker A: I just feel like.
• 41:39
  Speaker B: Also, can we talk about that? Like, so you. You would never bring a partner into your marriage?
• 41:44
  Speaker A: Clearly, I'm a psychopath now. No, Michael wouldn't even want that.
• 41:50
  Speaker B: Okay, not saying. I'm just talking. There are people in this world swingers. Yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker A: We're not swingers.
• 41:58
  Speaker B: No, not swingers at all. You have to remember, Dom comes from happily married parents, happily married grandparents, probably a long line of fucking happily Italian people. Long live.
• 42:10
  Speaker A: Yeah, go ahead.
• 42:10
  Speaker B: I come from a more liberal.
• 42:14
  Speaker A: Not liberal.
• 42:15
  Speaker B: Not liberal. What's the word? I don't know. Spiritual. My grandparents.
• 42:19
  Speaker A: You come from just Like a line of chaos, Line of cheaters.
• 42:23
  Speaker B: No, I mean, like, I. I've seen some. So, like, I think my cheating spectrum is different because of what I've seen.
• 42:30
  Speaker A: Yeah. So what have you seen?
• 42:31
  Speaker B: I mean, I grew up. My. My dad, she was a hardcore cheater. My grandparents were, I would say, modern day swingers.
• 42:41
  Speaker A: People listening out there. Good luck.
• 42:42
  Speaker B: Yeah, good luck. I love you, grandma. I love you, grandpa. I love everybody.
• 42:46
  Speaker A: You guys still look at life like, in a good light, you know?
• 42:49
  Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, we don't need to get into that. No, we don't. I would love to. I would actually love to have my grandma on.
• 42:55
  Speaker A: You do come from a line of, like a different lifestyle. Like cheaters, swingers. People are married to people they were friends with. The marriage swap.
• 43:04
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 43:04
  Speaker A: You come from a line of different things.
• 43:06
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 43:07
  Speaker A: Your spectrum might be different.
• 43:08
  Speaker B: And that's fine because you look at.
• 43:09
  Speaker A: It as like it's okay because you grew up with it.
• 43:11
  Speaker B: Yeah. And I think that's why I'm a little more loose with things. I'm not saying I let my husband fuck whoever he wants. Yeah. But I'm just.
• 43:17
  Speaker A: Let's not get it twisted. But you definitely are. You look at things differently. I mean, you'd be okay with your husband getting a happy ending. Like, I'd rather die. Yeah, but that's just like a me thing. I don't think it's like a problem. I think it's just like, I don't want that in my relationship.
• 43:29
  Speaker B: Yeah. And that's totally fine. But can we play another game?
• 43:33
  Speaker A: You love games.
• 43:34
  Speaker B: I love games. Okay, I'm gonna give you two horrible cheating scenarios, and you have to pick. Pick the better one for you. Okay. Okay. Your husband is going to emotionally cheat with someone you know or physically cheat with a stranger, but he'll never tell you and you'll find out.
• 43:51
  Speaker A: Emily, I know what's worse.
• 43:53
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 43:53
  Speaker A: I'm thinking out of sight, out of mind, so I think someone I know is worse.
• 43:57
  Speaker B: Okay. Would you rather catch your husband dming his ex or find out that he's paying monthly for someone's only fans account damning his ex? You'd rather that.
• 44:08
  Speaker A: I wouldn't rather. That would never be worse for me.
• 44:10
  Speaker B: Okay. Would you rather. Would you rather find out that your husband had a secret work trip with a female co worker or they've been texting a friend every night for three months?
• 44:21
  Speaker A: Trip.
• 44:21
  Speaker B: Would you rather have your husband confess they got stomachache, someone drunk five years ago? I don't know how I'm dating. They said they've been fantasizing about someone else lately. God. Oh, that's a good one.
• 44:35
  Speaker A: Fantasizing makes me ill.
• 44:36
  Speaker B: So I would say rather fantasizing makes you ill?
• 44:39
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 44:39
  Speaker B: You've never, like, been having sex and thought about someone else?
• 44:44
  Speaker A: Let's not talk about that right now.
• 44:47
  Speaker B: I have.
• 44:47
  Speaker A: You have?
• 44:48
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 44:49
  Speaker A: Like famous. Someone else famous or somebody else in your life?
• 44:52
  Speaker B: I mean, maybe both.
• 44:53
  Speaker A: Probably my husband.
• 44:58
  Speaker B: You know, the guy from Criminal Minds? Shamar.
• 45:01
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a good one. I don't like. I don't like these.
• 45:06
  Speaker B: Okay, next. The worst. Next time, play game with me.
• 45:10
  Speaker A: I know you want me to play a game with you.
• 45:11
  Speaker B: No, shut up. Setting boundaries before the problem I want to talk about because that's what a.
• 45:16
  Speaker A: Lot of people understand, that, like, I won't set. Well.
• 45:19
  Speaker B: There's no boundary for you.
• 45:20
  Speaker A: It's just like, there's no boundary for me. It's, you do something, you're done. There's no boundaries.
• 45:24
  Speaker B: Well, yeah, but you're saying, like, dm, like some things on. On this line of spectrum, you're saying are okay. Are okay for you. So that's sending. Boundaries. Okay. Yeah, Okay.
• 45:33
  Speaker A: I understand what you're saying.
• 45:34
  Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
• 45:35
  Speaker A: Like, I think. I think texting is. I mean, also, it depends.
• 45:40
  Speaker B: Like, it depends on the situation. It depends on, like, there's a lot of things that it depends on. Like, I remember it does in a lot of variables. In college, my girlfriend, she. We were living our college life, and she got a Facebook message. No, this isn't at Rucker. She got a Facebook message from a girl that said, no, a picture. It was a picture of her and her boyfriend at the time saying, I sleep with your boyfriend every night. It was a picture.
• 46:08
  Speaker A: Who is this? No, don't say the name.
• 46:10
  Speaker B: I can't say.
• 46:11
  Speaker A: But this happened to my friend too.
• 46:12
  Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, I have so many stories like this and, like, me, sick. Yeah, like, sick. And then same girl. So her boyfriend. She thought her boyfriend got jumped and he had a black eye, he had stitches. She went to the. His college, took care of him, played the nurturing girlfriend. One month later, she got a DM or a Facebook message from the guy saying, just to let you know, I beat up your boyfriend because I caught him with my girlfriend and. And he told her that he was. He got jumped.
• 46:44
  Speaker A: But how does he, like. So, like, I feel like one of my exes. If he was doing something at school, I will never be able to go there because he knows once I go There I'm going to find out everything. So how did that guy let the girlfriend come not thinking any of his friends or girlfriends are going to split?
• 47:00
  Speaker B: I mean, it was just one of those things. How did the Coldplay, how does that happen? But, like, I mean, I'm a huge believer in like. Like, the people I'm talking about right now. They are happily married together.
• 47:09
  Speaker A: Happens for a reason.
• 47:10
  Speaker B: Happens for a reason. They went through. They went through the fucking rocks during college and they came back stronger. And I truly believe they were meant to be together. And they're in a very happy marriage. Yeah, but, I mean, you gotta go through some things.
• 47:26
  Speaker A: Like, what do you feel. Boundaries.
• 47:28
  Speaker B: Like, what do you feel about. What's a cheater always a cheater?
• 47:31
  Speaker A: Exactly.
• 47:31
  Speaker B: That you do.
• 47:33
  Speaker A: There's no changing.
• 47:34
  Speaker B: You don't think. No, there's no change.
• 47:35
  Speaker A: Unless it was a situation. Like your husband.
• 47:39
  Speaker B: Well, to you, I mean, yeah, but to me, he. He was not ever.
• 47:42
  Speaker A: But I'm saying if your husband cheated once, I feel like he would never do it again.
• 47:47
  Speaker B: Oh. I mean, I think. I don't think once. I think people can change.
• 47:52
  Speaker A: I do not.
• 47:53
  Speaker B: I do. I. I do. In the right circumstances, people can change.
• 47:57
  Speaker A: I think people can change. I'm talking about cheating right now.
• 48:00
  Speaker B: Yeah, I think.
• 48:01
  Speaker A: I think once you cheat, you betray. Like, I'm just so stern on the fact that, like, once you betray me, game over. You're not making up with me, or are you saying, like, a person without me?
• 48:11
  Speaker B: No, I'm not saying. I'm saying, like, if Michael cheated in his past relationships, do you think he would still continue to cheat? Like, if it was you?
• 48:18
  Speaker A: No.
• 48:19
  Speaker B: Right. So that's not. Once a cheater, always a cheater.
• 48:21
  Speaker A: Okay?
• 48:22
  Speaker B: That's. Someone can change. Right.
• 48:23
  Speaker A: So I just lied to everybody listening.
• 48:27
  Speaker B: I don't know, but it's a. It's a hot topic.
• 48:29
  Speaker A: So this is really a hot topic. And there's so much to say and there's so many spectrums, because you don't. You obviously are talking about it because you've never been through it. Unless I'm telling you that I've been through and I haven't. But I'm saying, like, I'm talking about a situation that's never happened to me. So, like, I don't know what I actually do.
• 48:43
  Speaker B: Like. Like, for example, my mom. So she was married with kids, and she was just devastated. Like, she. In that situation, I think once a cheater, always a cheater. Like.
• 48:55
  Speaker A: Yes. Do you think your dad's a Cheater. Once a cheater, always a cheater.
• 48:58
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 48:58
  Speaker A: So, like, you believe that?
• 49:01
  Speaker B: I believe that in some circumstances, yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker A: Okay, so there's just different circumstances. Yeah, got it.
• 49:06
  Speaker B: But also. Yeah, like, I mean, I. My heart wants to believe people can change, but I think that if you have that deep down, if you have that. Because cheating. Right. There's a lot to it. But, like, also the guilt, the guilt with cheating, like, the guilt consumes you. If. If you're a good person or it doesn't. And then you're just a serial cheater and you don't care.
• 49:27
  Speaker A: Okay. You know what I do believe in, though? This is like, I am so crazy when I talk. This is like going against everything I just said for these 45 minutes. But I do believe that if you say you cheat on your wife or whatever.
• 49:41
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 49:42
  Speaker A: Somebody.
• 49:44
  Speaker B: They come to you and tell you, oh, what now?
• 49:48
  Speaker A: But I'm saying, like. And there they end up with that woman or man and have kids and are happy. Yeah, Like, I respect that. Wait, hear me out. Hear me out. Like, I don't respect someone cheating. You go scratch. Go play in traffic as a man or a woman. Okay, don't. I don't condole that cheating, but I do respect the fact that. No, I don't respect that, actually. No, you understand what I'm trying to say?
• 50:17
  Speaker B: Like, saying, like, if they were meant to be with somebody else, like, they're.
• 50:19
  Speaker A: Meant to be with somebody else, like, let them be with somebody else. Let them like, Ivers. I don't respect a serial cheater that, like. Chi Chi. Chi. Chi Chi. I just want to like other women, but. And I'm not just talking about the guys. Girls do this too. Yeah, but I'm talking about, like, there's been situations where you cheat because. And not in, like, a malicious way. And again, against everything I believe in, cheating is malicious. I don't give a What you say. But I'm saying. I'm trying to look at the other side.
• 50:42
  Speaker B: You're very commercial.
• 50:43
  Speaker A: No one wants to listen to me because I don't the I'm saying, but I just feel like. And I feel that it does.
• 50:48
  Speaker B: It goes.
• 50:49
  Speaker A: Understand what I'm saying.
• 50:50
  Speaker B: But it goes into, like, what kind of cheating was it like, if my husband.
• 50:53
  Speaker A: I don't want to be with you, but I don't want to hurt your feelings, which is. I don't agree with. Tell me you don't want to be with me. I need to go be with this other woman. And the only way I could do it because this other woman's tying me down. Like, I need to just go cheat and be with another family because I want to grow my family with this woman. And then. Do you understand what I'm saying?
• 51:09
  Speaker B: Yes. But also that other woman. Do they want to build that, start a foundation off of a scandal? Like a. No.
• 51:19
  Speaker A: There's so many.
• 51:20
  Speaker B: There's so many variables that's like, very relatable. Relatable to one of my girlfriends right now. Like, she started this relationship with this person who was in a 10 year relationship and like, she was the other girl, like, he cheated on.
• 51:33
  Speaker A: See, I would never do that.
• 51:34
  Speaker B: But, like. But there was just a lot of other circumstances in why he started to see my friend where, like, maybe that relationship was dying. And it was just like on this. Right? It was like he wasn't getting like.
• 51:45
  Speaker A: I believe, like, if you're not being fulfilled, you know, sometimes, like, that's what happens. And I'm not saying it's right and I'm not saying you should be doing that.
• 51:54
  Speaker B: I think you just need to.
• 51:55
  Speaker A: But people need to just be honest. But people aren't.
• 51:58
  Speaker B: So, like, it's a lot easier said than done. Like, correct. If you're. If you, like, you could blink and then like, you could be like, teetering, like flirting. Let's just say, like, you start flirting with someone and then like that one time it just crosses the line and then you're like, oh, fuck, I just cheated. What do you do?
• 52:13
  Speaker A: It kind of felt good, right?
• 52:14
  Speaker B: So, like, do you go back and you. And you tell your partner, like, I fucked up or you don't, because it kind of felt good and you keep going. And then it, like.
• 52:22
  Speaker A: It's not that. Some people. It's not. It's some people. The whole point of this podcast is there's a spectrum. Some people don't think it's crossing the line when other people do.
• 52:31
  Speaker B: Right.
• 52:31
  Speaker A: And what I just said in that little blurb 30 seconds ago, I have no idea what I was trying to say. So just ignore all that. But I'm just trying to say, like, I honestly, at the end of the day, people just want to be happy. Unless you're an. Then you're just being an. People just want to be happy and be with someone they want to be with. And maybe they just can't vocalize that, so they do it in another way. That's what I was kind of trying to say, which I also feel bad for them.
• 52:50
  Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, I just think that it comes down to the line. An Open line of communication. Like, if you and your partner know, like, him messaging someone would, like, scorn you forever. Then make that known. Yeah. And he should not be doing that. Correct. If. If that wouldn't bother you. And maybe it's a broader spectrum. Like me, like, I don't know, happy ending.
• 53:10
  Speaker A: What is your. Don't even know.
• 53:12
  Speaker B: I think that you just need to be open about it.
• 53:14
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker B: And, like, whatever works for you. Great.
• 53:16
  Speaker A: But honestly, whatever happens to me, I don't know because it's never happened to me. So when it does, I don't know what I would actually do.
• 53:21
  Speaker B: Yeah. Like, I. You can't sit here right now and be like, divorce. Because.
• 53:24
  Speaker A: Yeah, I can't because, Joe, because I don't really know.
• 53:27
  Speaker B: And like, I. I feel that I have my family, and I love my family.
• 53:29
  Speaker A: I love my child.
• 53:30
  Speaker B: And, like, also, I think it really comes down to the actual situation of it. Like, what was the situation? Was it a stupid drunken thing where, like, they were out at the bar, they weren't even thinking straight?
• 53:43
  Speaker A: But don't you psychologically are like, why did you drink to that extent? What is going on with you and why that would make you do that? It's not. To me, it's not about the act right then and there. It's like, okay, now we got issues. Because it's like, what am I not giving you? Right. That's what it would stem down to for me.
• 53:58
  Speaker B: Right. But. But then that's the conversation. It's not like, here's the divorce papers. It's like, let's. Let's go to couples. Yeah. Like, let's the matter. So, like, that's why I think it's very hard to jump to straight.
• 54:08
  Speaker A: And I don't ever forget. So it's hard for me.
• 54:10
  Speaker B: She doesn't hold a grudge, guys.
• 54:12
  Speaker A: I don't. But I don't forget just for those.
• 54:15
  Speaker B: I think that this is. I mean, this is real.
• 54:18
  Speaker A: This is real life. Yeah.
• 54:19
  Speaker B: And everybody go, I don't care who you talk to there. Everybody know a cheating story. Yeah. Whether it's with them, with their family, with their friends. Like, it's just.
• 54:28
  Speaker A: There's so many gray areas and to each their own. Like, if you think, you know. I mean, I don't. I think there's also. Just to wrap this up. I think there's also just a fine line of, like, being controlling.
• 54:41
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 54:42
  Speaker A: Which I'm not. And you're not, obviously. And, like, cheating.
• 54:46
  Speaker B: Like. Yeah.
• 54:47
  Speaker A: You don't want to be crazy, but you can't follow people.
• 54:49
  Speaker B: This.
• 54:50
  Speaker A: That you can't. Because then they're gonna, like you said, kid with candy.
• 54:53
  Speaker B: Yeah. And I really, truly believe that. But also, I'm not saying, like, let your husband do whatever.
• 54:57
  Speaker A: Yeah. Right.
• 54:58
  Speaker B: Don't do that.
• 54:59
  Speaker A: Relationship. Don't do that. But if you feel like I do in some certain situations, don't be afraid to be like, I don't. Like, that makes me feel uncomfortable.
• 55:07
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 55:07
  Speaker A: Because it can. It doesn't mean you're wrong. But final thoughts here. I just feel like emotional connection is big for me personally, and being secretive, like, is big for me. If you just tell me what's up. It's not. You're not hiding anything? Because I can. I can catch you.
• 55:18
  Speaker B: Right. Secret.
• 55:19
  Speaker A: Secretive is, like, big thing for me.
• 55:21
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I mean, even just, like, a little C. Or like, a little lie, like, lying. I, I, I hate Me, too. I'm not really. Same, like, tell me. Tell me the truth. Tell me what's up. We'll talk about it. I'm. I'm not just, like, I don't like a liar at all. Yeah. Like, I'd rather be truthful, and it probably hurt my feelings than lie about it.
• 55:40
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 55:40
  Speaker B: But I think that's what. Yeah. Cheating.
• 55:43
  Speaker A: What is this, the emotional affair draft?
• 55:45
  Speaker B: Oh, this was a game. Yeah. Like, so.
• 55:47
  Speaker A: Okay, let's wrap up with a game.
• 55:48
  Speaker B: All right. Right.
• 55:49
  Speaker A: Do you want me to play this with you?
• 55:50
  Speaker B: I mean, you can. Yeah, sure.
• 55:51
  Speaker A: You're a good host, though.
• 55:53
  Speaker B: I'm a good host.
• 55:53
  Speaker A: Game host.
• 55:54
  Speaker B: But I have to. I have to practice for our big guest because I'm playing games with her, baby.
• 55:59
  Speaker A: Oh, my gosh. She's gonna love that.
• 56:00
  Speaker B: I hope we go shot for shot.
• 56:01
  Speaker A: I cannot, so don't even ask.
• 56:03
  Speaker B: You have to play with me because.
• 56:04
  Speaker A: I feel like I'm crazier. So go.
• 56:06
  Speaker B: Okay. All right.
• 56:07
  Speaker A: Unless you want me to play with you.
• 56:08
  Speaker B: We could do both. Okay. All right. Think about. Close your eyes. Oh, God. Think about the most emotionally threatening person your partner could connect with right now in his life. Who would it be? It could be anywhere from, like, the barista at Bell Works to his Pilates instructor.
• 56:28
  Speaker A: Oh, my God.
• 56:29
  Speaker B: Why are you whispering to the golf cart attendant?
• 56:32
  Speaker A: I'm freaking out.
• 56:33
  Speaker B: He's golfing right now.
• 56:34
  Speaker A: I am.
• 56:37
  Speaker B: Is there even a golf cart attendant?
• 56:39
  Speaker A: I don't think so. You made that up. Okay, do I have to say it out loud, or can I just think it?
• 56:44
  Speaker B: No, say it out loud. What do you mean? This is a podcast.
• 56:48
  Speaker A: We can't read Your mind, I feel like lives in my head rent free. Is this woman that works in his building that works at the gym.
• 56:57
  Speaker B: Bitch. Hate her.
• 56:58
  Speaker A: Hate her.
• 56:58
  Speaker B: Okay. Is she hot?
• 57:00
  Speaker A: I don't know. I've never seen her before.
• 57:01
  Speaker B: Oh, but you have that story.
• 57:03
  Speaker A: Yeah, I have that story.
• 57:04
  Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, ask me mine.
• 57:06
  Speaker A: What is yours? Close your eyes. Golf car. Barista. And say it out loud, and it's not bubbles. Go.
• 57:18
  Speaker B: Most emotionally threatening. No.
• 57:21
  Speaker A: Oh, you said emotionally.
• 57:22
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 57:23
  Speaker A: No, this girl was physically. Oh, no, emotionally, I would say Michael's ex. This is gonna be which one?
• 57:29
  Speaker B: The most recent or the most recent? Times minus two.
• 57:35
  Speaker A: He's multiple exes.
• 57:36
  Speaker B: Was she at my wedding?
• 57:37
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 57:38
  Speaker B: Oh.
• 57:41
  Speaker A: I think. Because when I met Michael and he could totally cut this out, I feel like he would want.
• 57:45
  Speaker B: No, I don't think you will.
• 57:46
  Speaker A: When I met Michael, he was like, you know, just got out of that relationship.
• 57:50
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 57:51
  Speaker A: And he was like. I was devastated. I thought I was gonna marry her. So I feel like, to me, that was most emotionally threatening.
• 57:56
  Speaker B: All right, that makes sense, because, I mean.
• 57:58
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 57:58
  Speaker B: Yeah, I think so.
• 58:00
  Speaker A: That would be my answer.
• 58:01
  Speaker B: Okay, that's a good answer. Emotionally threatening, I think would be his work husband for me.
• 58:06
  Speaker A: Work husband? The man.
• 58:07
  Speaker B: The man. Matt.
• 58:08
  Speaker A: No. Can we be serious? Come on. No. Woman.
• 58:12
  Speaker B: No. Let me think. Yeah. I mean, like a. A girl from college that. I'm not gonna say her name, but you know. You know who you are. Yeah, but I mean, here we are. Yeah. I'd be so bad if you ever had to, like, leave for, like, something or you died. I would. I would not continue. Oh, my God. We went dark.
• 58:40
  Speaker A: So that's all you're giving me? Someone from college? I mean, was he, like, emotionally invested with her?
• 58:44
  Speaker B: No, but, like, he did the line. No, but, like, a threat. I don't even know she exists anymore. I mean, she exists. Okay. Yeah.
• 58:52
  Speaker A: I want to see her after this.
• 58:53
  Speaker B: I'll show you. Okay. Okay.
• 58:56
  Speaker A: That was fun.
• 58:56
  Speaker B: Is that all she wrote?
• 58:58
  Speaker A: That is all she wrote. I feel like that looks like a piece of poop. It's Bama's bone.
• 59:03
  Speaker B: That looked like what was all over my bathroom. Oh, I had a really funny story. How many minutes are we?
• 59:11
  Speaker A: Okay, real quick.
• 59:13
  Speaker B: Real quick story. I mentioned my husband is a. He's a superintendent. He has his own construction company. And so he's surrounded by construction guys all day long. Like, there's no women in the field. Except there is one, but she doesn't count. But one day, my husband lost his phone. I think he fell out in The. Oh, no, it got like crushed by the. On the trim bike.
• 59:37
  Speaker A: He left it on the top of the truck.
• 59:38
  Speaker B: He left it on the top of the truck? Yeah. So I couldn't get in touch with him. I got like a alert on my phone that, like, it was an emergency. I'm an emergency contact. Contact. I freaked out. Right. So. But then I got in contact with him, but I wanted to play a little joke on one of his co workers, so I texted his. His husband. His. I call it his work wife. I texted his work wife, but it's a man. He didn't have my number. I didn't think he had my number. And I was like, hey, this is Joe Dinunzio's girlfriend. This is really awkward for me, but I haven't got in touch with him. I was to meet him at like the Red Roof Inn. And like, he's not answering. I have no one else to call.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker A: Pretending, knowing he knows you there, the wife.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker B: I'm really. I'm really nervous. Like, this is so awkward, but is there anything you can tell me? This is Pamela Merker.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker A: Sometimes I feel like you're fishing.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker B: To anyone else, that would be like a fishing thing. But, like, I was purely playing a joke.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker A: Okay, go ahead.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker B: And obviously he. He thought it was like the funniest thing in the world.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker A: What did the. What did the work wife say?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker B: I think he. He must have had my number because he, like, played along with him. Yeah, like he. He was like cracking up. And like I sent a picture of like, like a selfie of a girl who had like a cum shot on her sunglasses and I was like, this is me. And then he was like, so now he calls me Pamela Merker.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker A: That is so freaking funny.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker B: But yeah, it's just like a.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker A: That's a good story.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker A: Would never play that game with my husband.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker B: Because you're scared?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker A: No. No. Maybe. No, but. No, never. But I just feel like I. He would not believe me for one minute.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker B: Yeah, it was. It was funny.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker A: Which is hard.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker B: Life is hard.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker A: Life is hard. Cheating's hard. I'm so sorry. If you ever gone through it. It or are going through it, call this number.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker B: 911.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker A: Call 911. Anyway, thanks for coming.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker B: Thanks for playing episode 14. Anything else to say? You say that to me every day. I am super excited. Our next episode will be.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker A: No, our next recording. Because we have two more episodes.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker B: Our next recording will be something really nerve wracking. I'm gonna be scared, and she's gonna be cool, common, collected.
• 1:01:38
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• 1:01:39
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• 1:01:53
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• 1:02:11
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