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Rebirth of an NFL City with Author Rustin Dodd · The Favorites Sports Betting Podcast

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Speaker 1: Very exciting episode today. As I said last week, this
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Speaker 1: want to make their books bestsellers. I think we can
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Speaker 1: narrow it down even further, authors who are writing about
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Speaker 1: cities and players and teams from the Midwest who want
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Speaker 1: to make their books bestsellers. Today we are joined by
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Speaker 1: Kansas City native Rustin Dodd, writer for The Athletic, author
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Speaker 1: of a new book, I'm the pre eminent quarterback in
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Speaker 1: the NFL. That book is called Kingdom Quarterback. Patrick Mahomes
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Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs and how a once swinging cow
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Speaker 1: town chased the ultimate comeback. Joining me for this conversation
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Speaker 1: subscribe to the Action Network YouTube page. Rustin Welcome. The
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Speaker 1: book is interesting because, like it would be easy for
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Speaker 1: you to say, all right, Patrick Mahomes, I'm in Kansas City,
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Speaker 1: I cover the Chiefs. It's time to write a book
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Speaker 1: about Patrick Mahomes as a biography and get her on
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Speaker 1: the shelves and make some bank. You went a little
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Speaker 1: bit further, you went a little bit deeper. Tell us
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Speaker 1: what you did.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thanks, Ched, it's a good question. So I
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Speaker 3: want to recognize that I had a co author on
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Speaker 3: this book too, Mark Dent. But our I think we
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Speaker 3: really had two ideas. Mark and I are both from
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Speaker 3: Kansas City, and so we sort of have watched the
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Speaker 3: city kind of evolve over the last twenty five thirty
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Speaker 3: years as we've kind of become adults, and so we
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Speaker 3: kind of wanted to tell the story of this city.
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Speaker 3: And when we thought that the Chiefs were kind of
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Speaker 3: a great entry point into into the city because they
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Speaker 3: may be it's its most you know, significant export, it's
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Speaker 3: like biggest brand, it's you know, all those things. And
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Speaker 3: the second thing too, is you mentioned it. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I guess we also thought, like a straight biography of
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Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, like it felt a little premature, right, Like,
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Speaker 3: so we know how how great this quarterback is. We
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Speaker 3: know he's like, you know, the best quarterback of his
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Speaker 3: generation and you know, potentially one of the best of
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Speaker 3: all time. He may be playing at the highest level
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Speaker 3: of all time, but he's also twenty eight and he's
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Speaker 3: got a lot of career and life to go. So
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Speaker 3: I think trying to sort of write any sort of
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Speaker 3: biography that sort of would define who Patrick Mahomes is
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Speaker 3: or you know what he's you know what he is
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Speaker 3: right now, it just felt maybe like it would be
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Speaker 3: a little bit premature to try to attempt that project
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Speaker 3: right now. So what we really kind of wanted to
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Speaker 3: do was sort of tell the story of the city
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Speaker 3: and also tell the story of this sort of rise,
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Speaker 3: which is sort of the story of Mahomes that we
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Speaker 3: tell in the book, which is sort of how did
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Speaker 3: he become you know, the best quarterback in football? How
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Speaker 3: did he become one of the best of all time?
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Speaker 3: So that that was sort of what we zeroed in on,
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Speaker 3: sort of like the rise of Mahomes kind of you know,
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Speaker 3: right parallel with this city which was also sort of
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Speaker 3: coming into its own and also just sort of had,
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, candidly has you know, a fascinating
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Speaker 3: history that most people don't know about because, you know, who,
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Speaker 3: unless you're from Kansas City or you have some sort
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Speaker 3: of connection, you know, why would you care. But we
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Speaker 3: really kind of wanted to try to make people care
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Speaker 3: and kind of show that, like, you know, these kind
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Speaker 3: of flyover cities in the middle of the country, you know,
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Speaker 3: Kansas City, Milwaukee, Saint Louis, you know whatever, you know, Cleveland, Like,
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Speaker 3: these cities have fascinating histories and they can really kind
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Speaker 3: of like tell us something about you know, the country
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Speaker 3: as well, if that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Kansas City, people don't know this a fabulously famous, romantic,
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Speaker 1: violent mafia town that in the fifties was at the
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Speaker 1: center of what was happening in the sports betting universe.
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Speaker 1: You could trace it from New York to Chicago to
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Speaker 1: Minneapolis to Kansas City. Those were like hubs for sports
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Speaker 1: betting all because it was such a fantastic mafia town.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean this. We don't tell this story
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Speaker 3: in the book too much, but you know, if you
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Speaker 3: watch the movie Casino, there's a scene, you know, where
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Speaker 3: they're in a grocery store in Kansas City and there
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Speaker 3: being the phones being bugged, and that's how the skimming
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Speaker 3: operation was discovered.
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Speaker 1: Simon, I don't even know this. But the reason I
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Speaker 1: know all about I.
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Speaker 2: Was gonna say, you came out, I left you with
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Speaker 2: that mafia question.
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Speaker 1: You know how I know. One of the most interesting
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Speaker 1: stories to me, and one of the reasons why sports
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Speaker 1: betting became the scourge of society that it became, is
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Speaker 1: because in the nineteen fifties, early nineteen fifties, fifty to
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Speaker 1: fifty one Estes Keith Ober, who was a senator from Tennessee,
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Speaker 1: decided he was going to investigate organized crime in the
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Speaker 1: United States. How the series of ten or twelve publicly
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Speaker 1: televised hearings around the country. And this is right when
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Speaker 1: television was first becoming a thing, right, So he was
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Speaker 1: investigating and he was subpoenaing people involved in organized crime
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Speaker 1: all over the country.
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Speaker 2: You know how they knew all about that though, because
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Speaker 2: they used all these people's contacts in World War Two,
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Speaker 2: like they helped them in World War two, and then
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Speaker 2: the government came back on them five years later, which
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Speaker 2: is really again, that's another interesting story in itself about
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Speaker 2: how they used the mafia in World War two and
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Speaker 2: then what.
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Speaker 1: Really, Oh my god, dude, it's like no good deed, right,
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Speaker 1: that's yeah, that might have been in five years. That
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Speaker 1: might have been when they created the term no good deed.
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Speaker 1: So Keithaber then has these hearings and this is fifty
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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty one, and so Keith Favre has these
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Speaker 1: hearings and he's going around the country and every single
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Speaker 1: time he has another mafia boss testifying, it becomes more
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Speaker 1: and more clear that one of the main sources of
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Speaker 1: revenue and income for the mafia is illegal sports betting,
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Speaker 1: and that at every level of every community, everybody is
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Speaker 1: involved in the chain that is leading to the mafia
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Speaker 1: making money off sports betting. The cops are running rackets,
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Speaker 1: the the local restaurants are running rackets. Everybody is sort
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Speaker 1: of involved in this. And it called me with a
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Speaker 1: moment of testimony with the mafia boss from New York
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Speaker 1: named Frank Costello, who agreed to be interviewed for the hearings,
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Speaker 1: but he would not be shown above his neck, so
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Speaker 1: they would only show him from the neck down, which
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Speaker 1: means they really just showed his hands, and he was
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Speaker 1: doing He was twiddling his thumbs the whole time, and
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Speaker 1: they called it the Dance of the Thumbs. And he
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Speaker 1: admitted to and agreed to and corroborated a lot of
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Speaker 1: what Keithaber had found. No joke. Ninety nine percent of
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Speaker 1: the televisions in the United States were watching this at
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Speaker 1: the time because it had wrapped up the entire country.
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Speaker 1: Keith Abre became like a national hero because of this.
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Speaker 3: Anyways, Rustin My favorite story involving gambling in Kansas City
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Speaker 3: is that Defense had bugged the local mafia hideout in
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Speaker 3: Kansas City in nineteen sixty nine. It was a book
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Speaker 3: making operation and the Chiefs were in the Super Bowl
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Speaker 3: four against the Vikings, second time the Chiefs have been
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Speaker 3: in Super Bowl. The betting patterns in Kansas City were
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Speaker 3: so heavily on the Chiefs didn't matter what they did
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Speaker 3: with the line. The thing was so out of whack
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Speaker 3: that the local guys were getting nervous. The local crime
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Speaker 3: boss slipped up. He would never do this, apparently, but
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Speaker 3: he was so worried about the betting patterns on this
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Speaker 3: game that he called down and they got him on wiretap.
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Speaker 3: And that was literally why how they were able to
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Speaker 3: bust the local crime boss in Kansas City. And you know,
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Speaker 3: I mean, the story has been romanticized over the years.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot more to the story, but that's the
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Speaker 3: fun version of it.
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Speaker 1: But he was on the same week that the Otani stuff,
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Speaker 3: I know. No, definitely, definitely it's as wild.
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Speaker 1: So do you think Kansas City's resurgence happens in concert
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Speaker 1: with Patrick Mahomes because of Patrick Mahomes? Is this is
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Speaker 1: there some cause effect here? Are they completely independent of each.
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Speaker 3: Other in concert? Is a good way to put it.
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Speaker 3: I think the story of Kana City is sort of
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Speaker 3: the story of you know, like the mid size Midwestern city,
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Speaker 3: and we sort of trace you know, throughout the twentieth
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Speaker 3: century kind of what that means in the book and
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Speaker 3: then the last twenty five years. I think you've seen
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Speaker 3: this sort of pattern, especially pre COVID. It's maybe changed
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Speaker 3: a little bit after COVID, but this the sort of
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Speaker 3: pattern in cities all across America where you know, the
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Speaker 3: downtowns were sort of being revitalized after sort of being
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Speaker 3: abandoned for you know, decades. You know, people were moving
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Speaker 3: back into the city kind of like the reverse of
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Speaker 3: white flights and so all these sort of trends were
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Speaker 3: definitely president in Kansas City. And you know, when I
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Speaker 3: was growing up this you know, it depends, I guess,
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Speaker 3: maybe where you're from, but if you're from a place
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Speaker 3: like Kansas City. When I was growing up, Kansas City
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Speaker 3: was it was a place where people would maybe go
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Speaker 3: work during the day, but after five o'clock it really
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Speaker 3: ceased to be a city. I mean, it was not
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Speaker 3: even really kind of particularly like you know, downtown kind
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Speaker 3: of area was. It was just not a place it was.
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Speaker 3: I mean, people refer to it as a ghost town.
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Speaker 3: You know. I interviewed a local politician who's like, when
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Speaker 3: he was a kid, everybody kind of referred to the
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Speaker 3: city as Belgrade because it felt this was like in
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Speaker 3: the nineties and it felt like kind of a just
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Speaker 3: kind of like a bombed out, for lack of a
14:20
Speaker 3: better word, like abandoned place. There's a funny story where
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Speaker 3: a former mayor of Kansas City. Before he was the mayor,
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Speaker 3: he was he was a big time attorney in town,
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Speaker 3: and he claims and nobody can prove otherwise because there's
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Speaker 3: you know, he can't prove a negative I guess, but
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Speaker 3: he claims that he bet a guy that he could
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Speaker 3: walk across downtown Kansas City naked after five o'clock and
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Speaker 3: and and do this without being noticed, and he claims
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Speaker 3: he won the bets. But but anyway, this is like
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Speaker 3: a little bit of a flavor of what the city
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Speaker 3: was like until kind of the you know, the early
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Speaker 3: to mid two thousands, and so we I think we
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Speaker 3: kind of document sort of the trends of the city,
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Speaker 3: which you can kind of see as now trends. But
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Speaker 3: then within the you know, when Patrick Mahomes arrives in
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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, the city's sort of already on this upward
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Speaker 3: trajectory and it's all already sort of punching maybe above
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Speaker 3: its weight class. But then Mahomes has kind of changed everything,
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Speaker 3: I think in terms of particularly you know, these are
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Speaker 3: these are kind of, you know, tough things to get
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Speaker 3: your arms around, I guess, but like he's sort of
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Speaker 3: changed everything about the kind of self image of Kansas City.
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Speaker 3: I think, you know, this this may be true of
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Speaker 3: other places as well, but Kansas City has this sort
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Speaker 3: of really interesting contradiction I think, where with the people
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Speaker 3: who are from there, in the sense of there's this
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Speaker 3: very intense local pride in the city in terms of
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Speaker 3: feeling like a very intense devotion and connection to this place,
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Speaker 3: yet also while feeling sort of like this sort of
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Speaker 3: inferiority complex that's sort of you know, been there since
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Speaker 3: the beginning, where you know, you're you're in the middle
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Speaker 3: of the country. You're kind of like in the middle
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Speaker 3: of you know, for lack of a better word, nowhere.
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Speaker 3: I guess you know, uh, you know, it's it's I've
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Speaker 3: lived on the East Coast before too, but it's it's
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Speaker 3: hard to explain what you know, when you're in a
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Speaker 3: place like Kansas City. You know, Chicago's eight hours away,
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Speaker 3: you know, Saint Louis four hours away, Dallas is eight
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Speaker 3: hours away, Denvers ten hours away, and I mean these
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Speaker 3: are the you know, the other cities that are nearest
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Speaker 3: you know, around So you're really kind of like in
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Speaker 3: this place that has major league sports and feels like
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Speaker 3: a vibrant city, but you kind of feel like you're
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Speaker 3: kind of abandoned in this sort of weird center of
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Speaker 3: the United States. And I think that has always kind
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Speaker 3: of been there in the city's self image and the
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Speaker 3: way it's looked at itself and I think that's maybe
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Speaker 3: been the biggest change since Patrick Mahomes has arrived. Uh.
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Speaker 3: And the idea that you know, the pre eminent athlete
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Speaker 3: and the pre eminent American sport a dynasty, you know,
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Speaker 3: to kind of rival like you know, any other you know,
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Speaker 3: decade of kind of dynasty, and the l the fact
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Speaker 3: that would happen in Kansas City, I think it's caused
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Speaker 3: people to sort of just sort of reconsider Kansas City's
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Speaker 3: place in the world in this way that you know,
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Speaker 3: maybe sports shouldn't be that important, but obviously we know uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, they they oftentimes are.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's like, uh, I'm from Chicago. And we
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Speaker 1: used to joke that before Michael Jordan, if you went
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Speaker 1: anywhere outside the United States and you said you were
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Speaker 1: from Chicago, you would immediately get someone referencing al Capone
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Speaker 1: because that's kind of what they knew about Chicago or
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Speaker 1: the loser Cubs. Well not even that, because like in Europe,
17:39
Speaker 1: they had no idea what the Cubs were. Like they
17:41
Speaker 1: would be Tommy Gunn and they would mention al Capone.
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Speaker 1: Whereas if you went overseas and you said you were
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Speaker 1: from Chicago. After the Michael Jordan era. That's all anyone mentioned.
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Speaker 1: It's the same thing for Kansas City. That's how it's evolved.
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Speaker 2: I think in Kansas City, you guys are so unique
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Speaker 2: where you're split between two states. Like I don't know
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Speaker 2: if you know the laws of New Jersey compare to Pennsylvania.
18:07
Speaker 2: If Philadelphia was split down the middle, people would become
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Speaker 2: committing federal crimes a thousand times every hour. Like our
18:14
Speaker 2: laws are so different it's insane. So I feel like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: what you're diving into so real. And my question here
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Speaker 2: is what if mahomes has this effect on the city,
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Speaker 2: why do they not want to pay for the stadium?
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Speaker 2: Where I get their view that this is an ownership
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Speaker 2: that I hate these type of owners that they make
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Speaker 2: their living off the team. I get where the fans
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Speaker 2: are coming from, but I feel like you guys are
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Speaker 2: in this golden era. It's like, just get the people together, right.
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Speaker 2: I would love to hear your view on it. Why
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Speaker 2: are people against buying the stadium where it sounds like
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Speaker 2: it would benefit the whole community? Like what you get
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Speaker 2: and again, you have a guarantee here, the man's gonna
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Speaker 2: be there for ten years, and I'm interested to hear
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Speaker 2: your view on why they won't approve the stadium.
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Speaker 3: It's a great question, so I think I mean complicated answer,
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Speaker 3: but the most simple answer is that the project that
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Speaker 3: was proposed that was voted down by voters, really it
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Speaker 3: was a Royals project. It was it was not like
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Speaker 3: a Chiefs Forward project. It was a project. It was
19:16
Speaker 3: a project that was initiated by the Kansas City Royals. Obviously,
19:19
Speaker 3: if you're familiar with Kansas City, you know the Chiefs
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Speaker 3: and Royals. They share a complex. Both stadiums are there
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Speaker 3: at the Truman Sports Complex. They're right side by side.
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Speaker 3: And that's been like that since, you know, the early
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Speaker 3: nineteen seventies when it was built, and so they've always
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Speaker 3: sort of gotten the same things from the city. And anyway,
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Speaker 3: long story short, the Royals have decided in the last
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Speaker 3: four to five years that they really want to build
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Speaker 3: a downtown stadium. They want to leave Kaufman Stadium and
19:45
Speaker 3: build a downtown stadium. And so the Royals were trying
19:50
Speaker 3: to extend a sales tax that would go would have
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Speaker 3: gone to the Chiefs and the Royals, and the Chiefs
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Speaker 3: more or less went along with it, saying like, well,
19:57
Speaker 3: if you're going to extend the sales tax and give
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Speaker 3: us money. Sure, you know, we'll take it. Maybe we'll
20:03
Speaker 3: renovate Arrowhead. That was basically what they landed on, thinking, Okay,
20:06
Speaker 3: it's kind of an iconic stadium, we can do some renovations.
20:11
Speaker 3: And so I think, and then there were a lot
20:14
Speaker 3: of local political things that kind of were reasons that
20:18
Speaker 3: where people became kind of sour with the project. Just
20:21
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, bad pr and locally just
20:26
Speaker 3: like bad messaging in terms of what the stadium would be,
20:29
Speaker 3: where it would be, the site kept changing. All of
20:32
Speaker 3: these things happened. So I think if if you know,
20:35
Speaker 3: if you put a vote up to Kansas City, you know, voters,
20:38
Speaker 3: and this was also specifically you mentioned the whole Kansas City,
20:43
Speaker 3: two states kind of thing. So you know, the way
20:46
Speaker 3: it works for the least the last few decades is
20:49
Speaker 3: that Jackson County, which is on the Missouri side, is
20:51
Speaker 3: more or less paid for all of the stadium renovations
20:55
Speaker 3: and new stadiums in Kansas City, whereas that's just a
20:57
Speaker 3: fraction of Hu's in Kansas City. So it's a whole mess.
21:00
Speaker 3: But I do think if that if they put up
21:02
Speaker 3: a vote saying, you know, would you renovate Arrowhead for
21:06
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl champions? Would you even potentially build a
21:09
Speaker 3: new stadium? I think that vote would pass. It was
21:12
Speaker 3: just this one particular one with the way it was
21:15
Speaker 3: messaged in the way that it felt almost like building
21:18
Speaker 3: a new downtown stadium for the Kents City Royals. That
21:21
Speaker 3: one did not pass.
21:22
Speaker 1: Take us back twenty twelve, Givon Delcher tragically kills his girlfriend,
21:30
Speaker 1: kills himself and the Chiefs parking lot. That's Romeo Crenell
21:34
Speaker 1: head coach, Scott Pioligm. Next year, Andy Reid takes over.
21:39
Speaker 1: How does he develop and there's a thread here, but
21:43
Speaker 1: how does he develop an organization that ultimately brings back
21:47
Speaker 1: stability and gets them on the path to get Patrick Mahomes.
21:51
Speaker 3: I mean, so I think it really that story I
21:53
Speaker 3: think really starts with Clark Hunt. You know, so Clark Hunt,
21:57
Speaker 3: the son of Lamar Hunt, the original found under of
22:00
Speaker 3: the Chiefs. Lamar Hunt dies in the mid two thousands,
22:04
Speaker 3: and Clark Hunt, his son, really kind of takes over
22:07
Speaker 3: as the team, as the kind of the owner, in
22:10
Speaker 3: the kind of the chairman. And I think they made
22:15
Speaker 3: you know, they hired Scott Pioli in two thousand and nine,
22:18
Speaker 3: he hired Todd Hailey to be the coach. They kind
22:21
Speaker 3: of thought of like, okay, you know, kind of in
22:23
Speaker 3: that era of you know, the Patriot Way kind of thing,
22:26
Speaker 3: let's bring that to Kansas City. And it just didn't
22:30
Speaker 3: work for a number of reasons. I think, you know,
22:32
Speaker 3: Scott Pioly was not a great manager of people, and
22:38
Speaker 3: that's been well documented in previous reporting. But also, you know,
22:43
Speaker 3: they the thing that you know, hurt the chiefs for
22:46
Speaker 3: generations was that they never could find a quarterback, right.
22:50
Speaker 3: And so in twenty twelve, Clark Hunt really said, all right,
22:54
Speaker 3: we need, you know, forget like let's hiring the GM,
22:58
Speaker 3: who hires the coach. We need to go out and
23:00
Speaker 3: find the coach, and we'll also separately hire a GM
23:04
Speaker 3: and they'll both report to me, and you know, the
23:06
Speaker 3: GM and the coach will sort of have equal power
23:09
Speaker 3: in the dynamic. And that's really how they were able to,
23:12
Speaker 3: you know, to get Andy Reid. The timing just happened
23:15
Speaker 3: to be, you know that that was the year that
23:17
Speaker 3: he had kind of the things had run its course
23:20
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia. It was the one year that they they
23:23
Speaker 3: didn't have a you know, a winning record. I think
23:25
Speaker 3: everybody was just ready to move on. He obviously had
23:28
Speaker 3: gone through some personal tragedy of his own around that time,
23:33
Speaker 3: and so the timing worked out great for the Chiefs
23:35
Speaker 3: that they were able to, you know, Andy Reid didn't
23:38
Speaker 3: want to take time off. There's you know this famous
23:41
Speaker 3: story where Clark Hunt called Andy Reid, you know, right
23:44
Speaker 3: as he was walking out of Philadelphia after they had
23:46
Speaker 3: had kind of a goodbye ceremony for him, and Clark
23:49
Speaker 3: Hunt was thinking, Okay, well, he's not going to you know,
23:52
Speaker 3: pick up a cold call from a number he doesn't recognize.
23:54
Speaker 3: I'm going to leave a message. And Andy Reid picked
23:57
Speaker 3: up and he was just sort of like, oh, you know, hello, Yeah,
24:01
Speaker 3: this is Clark come from the Chiefs. Are you still
24:03
Speaker 3: interested in coaching? You know, we want to talk to you.
24:06
Speaker 3: And you know, there's a whole story about how they
24:09
Speaker 3: were able to to kind of uh beat the Arizona
24:13
Speaker 3: Cardinals to kind of the punch. They were also very
24:16
Speaker 3: interested in Andy Reid, and so I think Andy Reid
24:19
Speaker 3: just he offered stability, right They obviously they had some
24:24
Speaker 3: decent players on defense, and then they went out and
24:28
Speaker 3: they traded for Alex Smith, who also brought sort of
24:31
Speaker 3: this level of competency, this level of stability, and you know,
24:37
Speaker 3: I think if there's one thing about Andy Reid that's
24:40
Speaker 3: maybe his biggest you know, trait, I guess it's just
24:46
Speaker 3: his stability, his consistency, his you know, he's obviously one
24:50
Speaker 3: of the best you know, play designers in NFL history,
24:53
Speaker 3: one of the best offensive minds. But when it comes
24:55
Speaker 3: to like the skills that make him a really good
24:57
Speaker 3: head coach, I think it's beyond just the offen and
25:00
Speaker 3: I think it's just that sort of stability that he
25:03
Speaker 3: offers an organization. The Chiefs really needed that, and so
25:08
Speaker 3: you saw that from you know, twenty thirteen, fourteen, fifteen sixteen,
25:13
Speaker 3: they get back into the playoffs. Alex Smith is sort
25:16
Speaker 3: of you know the classic kind of you know, is
25:19
Speaker 3: he the eighth best quarterback in the league, is he
25:21
Speaker 3: the tenth best, is the twelfth best, whatever, it doesn't matter,
25:23
Speaker 3: but he's good enough to get a team to the
25:25
Speaker 3: playoffs during his prime. And during that year they really
25:30
Speaker 3: did set sort of a foundation, sort of a base
25:33
Speaker 3: for the organization, and so you know, they they drafted
25:38
Speaker 3: pretty well, you know, all things considered, they you know,
25:41
Speaker 3: they built up the roster and I think by the time,
25:45
Speaker 3: you know, they were ready to pull the trigger on
25:47
Speaker 3: a quarterback, which they thought about drafting a quarterback in
25:50
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. You know, there's a story where they almost
25:54
Speaker 3: were really looking hard at Paxton Lynch, you know, think
25:56
Speaker 3: about how the NFL history would have changed if they
25:59
Speaker 3: draft him, but they didn't, and so by twenty seventeen
26:03
Speaker 3: they were, you know, they were really looking for a quarterback.
26:05
Speaker 3: And that was the year where you know that there's
26:08
Speaker 3: a whole story about Brett Veach, the GM who before
26:11
Speaker 3: he was a GM, kind of falling in love with
26:13
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes during the draft process. And I think that
26:16
Speaker 3: marriage of just you know, Andy Reid and a team
26:21
Speaker 3: that had been sort of built up to win, and
26:24
Speaker 3: then you know, bringing in Patrick Mahomes and then even
26:26
Speaker 3: sitting him for a year, it ended up being kind
26:30
Speaker 3: of the perfect formula. I think. I think it's you know,
26:33
Speaker 3: our book is not you know, it's necessarily a lesson
26:35
Speaker 3: on like NFL team building or or anything like that.
26:38
Speaker 3: But I think there are some lessons to be gleaned
26:40
Speaker 3: from it, which is, you know, obviously the value of
26:43
Speaker 3: a young quarterback, but also just the value of organizational
26:47
Speaker 3: sort of stability and like a foundation before you before
26:52
Speaker 3: you get to the quarterback that I think that the
26:54
Speaker 3: Chiefs can prove to prove that, like, yeah, yeah, you
26:58
Speaker 3: need a quarterback, you need a franchise court if you
27:00
Speaker 3: want to compete for super Bowls, But sometimes the situation
27:05
Speaker 3: that you put that quarterback in is just as important
27:08
Speaker 3: or close to as important, I guess, I would say.
27:12
Speaker 3: And then the Chiefs sort of prove that with what
27:14
Speaker 3: they were able to offer Patrick Mahomes. You know, I
27:16
Speaker 3: think people have always wondered, like, what would Patrick Mahomes
27:20
Speaker 3: have been like if he doesn't go to the Chiefs,
27:23
Speaker 3: you know, like what if the Chicago Bears picked Mitch
27:27
Speaker 3: Trubisky saying draft what if he goes there? You know,
27:30
Speaker 3: is he Patrick Mahomes? And I think my gut instinct
27:35
Speaker 3: is yes he is. But he doesn't have the like
27:41
Speaker 3: his career has almost gone pitch perfect to this point. Right,
27:45
Speaker 3: he throws fifty touchdown passes. The first year as a starter,
27:49
Speaker 3: he wins the Super Bowl, and his second year as
27:50
Speaker 3: a starter, he's won two MVPs. He's got three Super Bowls,
27:53
Speaker 3: he's twenty eight years old, Like that probably doesn't happen
27:57
Speaker 3: if he goes to the Bears, you know, like the
28:01
Speaker 3: narrative looks different, like the path looks different. I think
28:04
Speaker 3: he still gets to that, you know, like that level
28:07
Speaker 3: that he's at because I think the talent is undeniable.
28:11
Speaker 3: But I think that the situation and like the that
28:14
Speaker 3: he was put in has allowed him to have, you know,
28:17
Speaker 3: like a career that if you look at it right now,
28:20
Speaker 3: where you could say like, oh, like you know, it
28:22
Speaker 3: may not be likely, but like he really could, you know,
28:26
Speaker 3: you know, have a Tom brady S career when you
28:29
Speaker 3: when you think of the Super Bowls and the MVPs
28:30
Speaker 3: and and the longevity, like just on the pace that
28:34
Speaker 3: he's on.
28:36
Speaker 1: Clarification since the Bears trading up to draft Miss Rubisky
28:45
Speaker 1: and ignoring Patrick Mahomes is a regular theme on this show,
28:52
Speaker 1: I would just say very likely Patrick Mahomes and the Bears.
28:56
Speaker 1: At this point in his career, He's thrown for sixty
28:59
Speaker 1: touchdown in a season, he's won five consecutive Super Bowls,
29:04
Speaker 1: and even though he hasn't played for ten years, he's
29:08
Speaker 1: probably the MVP of the league at least ten times.
29:12
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's the likely scenario. So I disagree
29:16
Speaker 1: with you there, Rustin. It is kind of amazing though,
29:21
Speaker 1: Like that's a pivotal moment for two marquee franchises. The
29:30
Speaker 1: Bears trade up to draft Mitch Trubisky. They are now
29:34
Speaker 1: on their third top eleven first round quarterback in Caleb Williams,
29:44
Speaker 1: including mister Trubisky in the last what seven years, And
29:49
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is going to go on to be better
29:52
Speaker 1: than Tom Brady and has already achieved more than maybe
29:56
Speaker 1: all but four quarterbacks in NFL. That is a remarkably
30:03
Speaker 1: right choice. What were the pivot points in the end
30:07
Speaker 1: that got the Chiefs there?
30:09
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean it's funny you mentioned the Bears.
30:11
Speaker 3: You know Patrick Mahomes senor I think he's he's been
30:15
Speaker 3: on the record saying that the Bears told Mahomes that
30:19
Speaker 3: they were going to draft him. That's Mahomes is clarified,
30:22
Speaker 3: that's not actually what they said. But in Mahomes left
30:25
Speaker 3: the meeting before the draft with the Bears thinking that
30:28
Speaker 3: they loved him, like they really flattered him in the meeting,
30:32
Speaker 3: and they left him with the impression that like if
30:34
Speaker 3: the Bears were going to take a quarterback, then maybe
30:37
Speaker 3: it's going to be me. And so I think Mahomes
30:40
Speaker 3: is always you know, there's been when they played the Bears.
30:43
Speaker 3: I think he was there was I always get these
30:46
Speaker 3: stories mixed up, but there was the one game where
30:48
Speaker 3: he was counting on his fingers. I think I'm not
30:50
Speaker 3: sure if that was the Bears game or another team
30:52
Speaker 3: that passed on him, but there was. There's been some
30:55
Speaker 3: moments like that. I think he has feelings towards the
30:58
Speaker 3: Bears about how the draft, the message that they gave
31:01
Speaker 3: him before the draft. But in terms of the Chiefs,
31:04
Speaker 3: I think, you know, Brett Veitch the GM now, but
31:09
Speaker 3: at the time was sort of a you know, a
31:12
Speaker 3: kind of just a pro personnel guy, kind of an
31:15
Speaker 3: assistant GM looking at Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech and
31:20
Speaker 3: he just fell in love with him on the tape,
31:24
Speaker 3: and I think, you know, it's easy to maybe you know,
31:28
Speaker 3: look back and think like, why didn't anybody, you know,
31:31
Speaker 3: why didn't people think this? What did people miss? And
31:34
Speaker 3: I think, you know, they they missed the fact that
31:36
Speaker 3: he was playing at Texas Tech, so people maybe felt
31:39
Speaker 3: like there was a bias towards like, all right, he's
31:41
Speaker 3: putting up big numbers, but that's not that unusual. And they,
31:45
Speaker 3: you know, there was a little bit bias towards They're
31:47
Speaker 3: not really like winning. And then I think the biggest
31:50
Speaker 3: bias towards Patrick Mahomes are biased against him, I guess
31:53
Speaker 3: I should say, was that he had really bad mechanics.
31:56
Speaker 3: Like he he really was raw, you know, like he
31:59
Speaker 3: didn't really start playing quarterback as a full time until
32:03
Speaker 3: his junior year of high school. Then he, you know,
32:06
Speaker 3: has incredible numbers in Texas. Texas Tech falls in love
32:09
Speaker 3: with him. They bring him to love it. He puts
32:11
Speaker 3: up huge numbers, but like if you watch the tape,
32:14
Speaker 3: he's he's kind of all over the place, right, So
32:16
Speaker 3: like his you know, his arm angles kind of all
32:19
Speaker 3: over the place. It's very inconsistent. His footwork oftentimes it
32:22
Speaker 3: was like terrible. And Brett Beach is watching the tape,
32:25
Speaker 3: and I think, instead of thinking like, wow, this guy's
32:29
Speaker 3: footwork is pretty bad, he's thinking he was thinking like, well,
32:33
Speaker 3: this guy's incredible and his footwork is terrible. Like what
32:37
Speaker 3: happens if you actually give this guy just like a
32:39
Speaker 3: little bit of coaching and like tighten some things up.
32:42
Speaker 3: And so I think instead of thinking in terms of like,
32:46
Speaker 3: you know, the the what does this guy like do well,
32:49
Speaker 3: I think, I don't know, there's maybe a lesson about
32:52
Speaker 3: the traits that you need and you know, all those
32:54
Speaker 3: sort of things. And anyway, I think that the Chiefs
32:58
Speaker 3: they fell in love and they they at the perfect
33:01
Speaker 3: time and went up and traded for Mahomes. I mean,
33:04
Speaker 3: there's lots of stories the Saints. Sean Payton's on the
33:07
Speaker 3: record he he loved Patrick Mahomes and the draft. Bruce
33:10
Speaker 3: arians has said the same thing. But the Chiefs were
33:13
Speaker 3: the only team that went up and got him in
33:16
Speaker 3: the draft, and I think they just there they were
33:20
Speaker 3: convicted that they that they had the right guy. And
33:24
Speaker 3: I don't know, I think there's maybe you know, some
33:27
Speaker 3: lessons too about just the Patrick Mahomes the person and
33:32
Speaker 3: the makeup and you know, he he grew up. We
33:37
Speaker 3: write about this in the book, but he's kind of
33:39
Speaker 3: has a fascinating childhood in terms of uh, you know,
33:42
Speaker 3: like you you look at him and he sort of
33:45
Speaker 3: look at this generation of like stars who were sons
33:48
Speaker 3: of professional athletes, and you can say, well, he's got
33:52
Speaker 3: the jeans. He grew up his his father was professional
33:56
Speaker 3: baseball player, so like all throughout his life, Patrick Mahomes
34:00
Speaker 3: just sort of expected that he was going to be
34:02
Speaker 3: a professional athlete like that. That was just like sort
34:05
Speaker 3: of people thought it was gonna be baseball, but like
34:07
Speaker 3: that was sort of his mindset as a kid, Like, oh,
34:10
Speaker 3: it is not an unusual thing at all. You know,
34:12
Speaker 3: he hung around with you know, major league clubhouses and
34:16
Speaker 3: Alex Rodriguez and like was exposed to that life. He
34:19
Speaker 3: just sort of that's kind of what he thought his
34:21
Speaker 3: life would be like. But the other thing is that
34:24
Speaker 3: he also grew up in East Texas, sort of in
34:26
Speaker 3: this sort of small East Texas town. Like East Texas
34:30
Speaker 3: is a lot different than Dallas, or it's a lot
34:32
Speaker 3: different than Houston. You know, it's a different vibe. It's
34:34
Speaker 3: a little bit more southern. It's just like you're kind
34:37
Speaker 3: of out there in the middle of nowhere. And I
34:40
Speaker 3: think because he was so late to football and he
34:43
Speaker 3: had spent so much time playing baseball that when it
34:46
Speaker 3: came to football, I think he felt like he had
34:48
Speaker 3: a little bit of a chip on his shoulder. Like
34:50
Speaker 3: Texas Tech was the only school that wanted to recruit him.
34:53
Speaker 3: The only Power five school I should say there was
34:54
Speaker 3: like Rice and Houston and those kinds of schools were
34:57
Speaker 3: kind of interested, but Texas Tech was the only Power
34:59
Speaker 3: fives school. You know, Texas didn't want him. You know,
35:02
Speaker 3: he wasn't like an elite eleven kind of quarterback who
35:06
Speaker 3: was preordained as the next big thing when he's a
35:08
Speaker 3: sophomore in high school. So he simultaneously had this innate
35:12
Speaker 3: confidence where he was like, all right, I'm going to be,
35:16
Speaker 3: you know, a professional athlete, while also having this thing
35:19
Speaker 3: that was really really driving him, which is that he
35:21
Speaker 3: was late to football and that he had to sort
35:24
Speaker 3: of prove himself. And I think that combination and along
35:29
Speaker 3: with some other things that you just you can't know
35:31
Speaker 3: from just scouting a kid. But like, you know, the
35:33
Speaker 3: smart guy, he's got a photographic memory. He retains things
35:37
Speaker 3: like he could probably tell you every play he's ever
35:41
Speaker 3: had in football, like you know, down to you, like
35:44
Speaker 3: the minute detail. He's kind of like one of those
35:46
Speaker 3: guys I think. You know, Steph Curry I think has
35:48
Speaker 3: a similar I've read stories about him having a similar
35:51
Speaker 3: sort of photographic memory. And so you add all that
35:55
Speaker 3: in together, and I think that's where he's the separator,
35:59
Speaker 3: is right, So the physical tools, but those kind of
36:02
Speaker 3: combinations of things I think are what separate Patrick Mahomes
36:06
Speaker 3: from from his peers.
36:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, and definitely I know Chad beats himself up always
36:12
Speaker 2: about the Bears thing, but just that draft in general,
36:14
Speaker 2: you look at it, no one saw this coming, just
36:18
Speaker 2: because you had about a ten year run there of
36:20
Speaker 2: all these guys being drafted out of the Big Twelve
36:23
Speaker 2: playing those spread offenses that just weren't good, right. It
36:26
Speaker 2: was just because no one played defense in that conference.
36:29
Speaker 2: And that's why you know, I gave I understood their
36:32
Speaker 2: excuse why they didn't really want to take them. But again,
36:34
Speaker 2: the Cleveland who had been tanking for years, passed on
36:37
Speaker 2: him to take a d N Jacksonville, who never had
36:40
Speaker 2: a really good quarterback, passed on him to take Leonard
36:43
Speaker 2: Fournette at the fourth pick overall. And the Mahomes think,
36:46
Speaker 2: to me, will always be I mean, your GM talked
36:49
Speaker 2: about they watched the game where Texas Tech was losing
36:52
Speaker 2: by forty points and Mahomes was out there getting killed,
36:56
Speaker 2: getting crushed, like his offensive line couldn't block anybody, and
37:00
Speaker 2: he was still standing in the pocket making amazing throws downfield,
37:04
Speaker 2: and he said he sent that to Andy Reid and
37:06
Speaker 2: he was like, can you believe that this kid isn't
37:09
Speaker 2: being talked about? Like, can you believe that we were
37:11
Speaker 2: able to get this kid? And that was one of
37:13
Speaker 2: my favorite stories about that where it's like they saw
37:15
Speaker 2: what we couldn't see.
37:17
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that was they played LSU in a
37:19
Speaker 3: bowl game when Mahomes was a sophomore, so he wasn't
37:22
Speaker 3: draft eligible yet, but Brett Beach was watching the game.
37:26
Speaker 3: He was looking at some other guys and you know
37:27
Speaker 3: LSU had Leonard Fournette and you know, like NFL players
37:31
Speaker 3: all over the field.
37:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Honey Badger.
37:34
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and Mahomes was, you know, like he was
37:37
Speaker 3: like keeping his team in the game, you know, like
37:40
Speaker 3: relatively speaking, but like was making plays against you know,
37:44
Speaker 3: future NFL guys. And that was the moment where Brett
37:47
Speaker 3: Veach you know, started pestering Andy Reid. And you know,
37:50
Speaker 3: there's a funny story where Brett Veach, you know, he
37:54
Speaker 3: was on him from that moment and then the next season,
37:58
Speaker 3: So the twenty I guess six teen season, heading into
38:01
Speaker 3: the twenty seventeen draft. He keeps sending Andy Reid all
38:04
Speaker 3: these clips and that's you know, that's the famous story,
38:06
Speaker 3: and he's sending them, he's sending him. Finally Andy Reid
38:09
Speaker 3: has to tell him like just like chill a little bit.
38:11
Speaker 3: And then after the season, Andy Reid like gets the
38:14
Speaker 3: first I don't know, some mock draft that he pulls
38:16
Speaker 3: off the internet, and I mean I'm not sure what
38:19
Speaker 3: to where it was from, but you know, CBS, ESPN, whatever,
38:22
Speaker 3: some some mock draft he's got on his desk. He
38:25
Speaker 3: calls Brett Vichan and he's like this, I see this
38:28
Speaker 3: mock draft, like your boys not even in the first round.
38:31
Speaker 3: Uh like where? Like what about? What about that guy?
38:35
Speaker 3: And I mean that's the other thing. I mean, Patrick
38:38
Speaker 3: Mahmes was.
38:39
Speaker 2: I had Watson higher than him. I'll be the first
38:41
Speaker 2: to admit it, like I did. I mean, Watson was
38:43
Speaker 2: more proven at the time, right.
38:45
Speaker 3: He obviously climbed a lot during the free draft process,
38:47
Speaker 3: but heading into that, you know, around the combine right
38:50
Speaker 3: before that, he was sort of graded as a second
38:52
Speaker 3: or third round pick. I mean he was young too, right,
38:54
Speaker 3: so he was only sad three years at Texas tex So,
38:57
Speaker 3: he was a young junior, but yeah, I mean it
39:00
Speaker 3: was even at that moment, I think people kind of
39:03
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Speaker 1: is active. So it's interesting you mentioned Steph Curry in
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Speaker 1: our pre show we were talking about Mahomes feels like
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Speaker 1: a superstar who is so supremely confident in his skill.
40:44
Speaker 1: He's very comfortable sharing the spotlight.
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Speaker 2: He's texting his wife after that Raiders game when they
40:52
Speaker 2: get embarrassed that they're about to go win a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the guy has the highests.
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Speaker 1: He's got the highest confidence, right. But you know, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of guys like Staf Curry. He was totally
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Speaker 1: fine bringing in Kevin Durant and sharing the spotlight and
41:04
Speaker 1: sharing the court and sometimes deferring to him. Patrick Mahomes
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Speaker 1: seems like the guy who is very comfortable sharing the
41:13
Speaker 1: spotlight with Travis Kelsey, who brings people in. Like there's
41:17
Speaker 1: a combination of his talent and his demeanor that you
41:20
Speaker 1: point out that I think elevates him probably further than
41:24
Speaker 1: someone who might have equal talent.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I've watched a lot of Patrick Mahomes
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Speaker 3: press conferences in the last five years, you know, postgame interviews,
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Speaker 3: you know, like hours and hours of him answering questions.
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Speaker 3: You know, I can't remember him ever not saying the
41:46
Speaker 3: right thing. And you know, granted, a lot of it
41:49
Speaker 3: is like unless you're referee, well that I will say.
41:52
Speaker 3: That is the one, you know, the one slip up
41:55
Speaker 3: he's had and people still talk about it in Kansas
41:57
Speaker 3: City is him yelling at the referees and then even
42:00
Speaker 3: telling Josh Allen after the game like I can't believe
42:03
Speaker 3: a horrible call or whatever. And and I guess it's
42:07
Speaker 3: the exception that proves the rule because literally the next day,
42:10
Speaker 3: you know, Patrick Mahomes like apologized in the press conference
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Speaker 3: and was like, yeah, I'm really sorry to Josh Allen,
42:15
Speaker 3: you know, like I felt bad about that and what
42:19
Speaker 3: But what I was going to say was, you know,
42:20
Speaker 3: a lot of it you could say it's it's media training,
42:22
Speaker 3: it's you know, you know, we shouldn't put too much,
42:26
Speaker 3: you know, like stock into just press conference interviews. But
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Speaker 3: I think it speaks to Patrick Mahomes something about his
42:34
Speaker 3: kind of his own personality in the sense that he
42:37
Speaker 3: like I think he puts time thinking into what he
42:40
Speaker 3: wants to say. I think he thinks like almost like
42:43
Speaker 3: a politician mine or something like he prepares himself for everything. So,
42:48
Speaker 3: you know, like when Harrison Butker situation comes up recently
42:50
Speaker 3: and he knows he has to answer questions he wants
42:53
Speaker 3: to say, like, all right, how do I answer this
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Speaker 3: in the most thoughtful way possible that you know, can
42:59
Speaker 3: can say what I want to say, well also saying
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Speaker 3: what the team will want me to say, And you know,
43:05
Speaker 3: like all these sort of things. And I think he
43:07
Speaker 3: just thinks on a higher level when it comes to
43:10
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. And I you know, where does
43:13
Speaker 3: it come from? I mean, I guess you know where
43:16
Speaker 3: does any where does that ever come from? I guess
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Speaker 3: you know, it's his upbringing, it's his parents, it's his like,
43:21
Speaker 3: you know, the community in which he was raised. You know,
43:23
Speaker 3: like all those sort of things. But it is pretty
43:26
Speaker 3: remarkable how he never really slips up and is able
43:31
Speaker 3: to say the right things.
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Speaker 1: Well, look, it's also remarkable how you mentioned Harrison Butker.
43:37
Speaker 1: During the season, there was Taylor Swift stuff. The team
43:41
Speaker 1: did not always perform well, they didn't have top flight receivers.
43:45
Speaker 1: Now their top flight receiver is getting in trouble not
43:49
Speaker 1: sitting with him and Travis Kelcey at the MAVs game, Like,
43:53
Speaker 1: how does he in the middle of all this not
43:57
Speaker 1: let any of it impact him?
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a great question. I think he's able
44:04
Speaker 3: to compartmentalize. I mean, that's one of his skills to
44:11
Speaker 3: I don't know, to have perspective, to compartmentalize, to not
44:14
Speaker 3: show frustration that he probably when he does feel it,
44:17
Speaker 3: he's able to more or less kind of suppress it
44:20
Speaker 3: in the public eye. I mean you see like little
44:23
Speaker 3: bits and pieces of it. I mean, there's a nickname
44:26
Speaker 3: in Kansas City that I'm not sure if it totally fits,
44:29
Speaker 3: but you'll get the idea that there's like a petty
44:32
Speaker 3: side of Patrick Mahomes. People call him petty Patrick, and
44:35
Speaker 3: you sort of see this bubble up from time to time,
44:37
Speaker 3: especially on the field. You know, the way he you know,
44:41
Speaker 3: like talks trash with players, or like the way he
44:45
Speaker 3: holds grudges very Michael Jordan like the way I mean,
44:48
Speaker 3: I know, you know a lot of big athletes hold
44:51
Speaker 3: grudges and they use anything as motivation, but Patrick Mahomes
44:55
Speaker 3: is able to, like I think he takes it to
44:57
Speaker 3: like the Michael Jordan type level of bolding grudge.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that. He seems the kind of
45:04
Speaker 2: guy that he remembers all those guys sticking ahead him
45:07
Speaker 2: in the draft, and he kind of used that when
45:09
Speaker 2: he first came to the league. So yeah, just before
45:12
Speaker 2: obviously we let you go, we're talking Kansas City. We
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Speaker 2: got to know about the barbecue. What's your number one spot?
45:18
Speaker 2: I mean, you've grown up that you live there. Are
45:20
Speaker 2: you going to go with what everyone knows or do
45:21
Speaker 2: you have a local spot that not many people might
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Speaker 2: know about.
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Speaker 3: Well, I'll give you three names then. So the classic
45:32
Speaker 3: if you want to like classic Kansas City barbecue, like
45:35
Speaker 3: the full on experience, I would go to Arthur Bryant's.
45:40
Speaker 3: So Arthur Bryants the original location is around like twenty
45:44
Speaker 3: second Street. It's where the old Chiefs played. Their original stadium,
45:48
Speaker 3: Municipal Stadium was like around the corner from that. That
45:51
Speaker 3: is like the true kind of Kansas City barbecue experience.
45:54
Speaker 3: If you want this sort of new generation experience, that's's
45:58
Speaker 3: Joe's is. You know, the famous sports z Man sandwich.
46:01
Speaker 3: It's in a gas station. That's where I think that's
46:05
Speaker 3: probably the best pound for pound barbecue in Kansas City
46:08
Speaker 3: is Joe's. Joe's case, But if you want to like
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Speaker 3: an under the radar pick, Elsie's is what I would say.
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Speaker 3: That's also kind of just a classic Kansas City barbecue spot.
46:20
Speaker 3: It's kind of near the Chiefs Stadium Arrowhead Stadium. Now
46:24
Speaker 3: you'll find yourself sort of in a place where you're like,
46:26
Speaker 3: there's a restaurant here, but it has some of the
46:28
Speaker 3: best barbecue in Americas. So yeah, Elsie's, Joe's and Arthur
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Speaker 3: Bryants would be my three picks, all right.
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