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No Jonas: Xbox Merges Studios & The Elizabeth Holmes Doco · Multiple Nerdgasm

• 0:02
  Matt: Multiple Nerdgasm.
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  Luke: I for once have had a very eventful weekend.
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  Not as eventful as yours, but I actually did stuff.
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  Matt: Okay, go on. I, I, I have a very deep voice today because I have a cold and I
• 0:19
  just was trying to sound sexy. Yeah, I wish I sounded like this all the time.
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  Luke: Would be awesome if you could.
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  Matt: Yeah, no, it's— excuse me.
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  Luke: All right, but I actually woke up at a sensible time on Saturday.
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  Matt: Oh, very good. What's a sensible time?
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  Luke: Well, lately for the last few weeks I've been like sleeping just all day and
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  waking up like an hour before we record, which is really bad since I'm just sleeping
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  like 20 hours a day on the weekend.
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  Matt: It's about 10 PM for you now?
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  Luke: Yes. Yeah, but no, this Saturday I woke up at a sensible time.
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  Sun was out. I went, I'm gonna go for a swim.
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  Matt: That doesn't tell me what time.
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  Luke: Uh, it was about 11.
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  Matt: Okay, okay.
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  Luke: Yeah, like, like, I woke up early but I was having a bit of a lie-in watching
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  YouTube videos. I went, no, it's getting warm enough, I think I can go for a swim.
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  So I got Apple ready on my phone, got some beers ready, walked down to the pool,
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  jumped in, started watching Silo, and then worked out, no, the water's not actually
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  warm enough for this yet. And then got out and came back in and just watched Silo
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  the entire weekend.
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  Matt: Oh, very cool. All of season 3?
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  Luke: All of season 3.
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  Matt: Very cool. What'd you think?
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  Luke: Um, I'm happy I stuck through it because season 2 I was not a fan of.
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  On a rewatch, it makes more sense.
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  Matt: Rewatch is great because you go, oh, you know what's going on.
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  Luke: Yes. Well, even not on the rewatch, just at the end of season 3, just—
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  I understand why they did season 2 the way they did because it explains a lot, like
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  it all ties in, but you need to know stuff.
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  But probably season 3, I kept going, yep, I know where this is going, and then I didn't.
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  Matt: Yeah, it's good, right?
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  Luke: And end of an episode, yeah, I know this is gonna—
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  that, and then nope, that next episode comes around and goes, no, you were wrong,
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  you were completely wrong.
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  Matt: It's good.
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  Luke: I—
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  Matt: yeah, it, it so far it's not been disappointing at all, like the reveals.
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  And yes, I kept saying to Jen, I'm like, at some point it's going to drop the ball.
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  It's going to be one of those shows where it's like they didn't think about this,
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  they just made some shit up. But like, no, everything they have, everything has an
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  explanation. And then, you know, some of it I'm like, well, I don't know, that's
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  some of the— well, I guess we could do slight spoilers, right?
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  Luke: We can do spoilers now. If people were going to watch it, they would have. Yeah.
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  Matt: Like nanotech and all that, like nanobots.
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  I was like, ah, okay, all right, that was getting a bit weird.
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  Luke: But then it wasn't— that wasn't really the focus.
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  It was just basically like they're just planning for any event.
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  Matt: Yeah, but then I was like, so they haven't brought this up yet, but I'm
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  guessing you think if you go back to season 1—
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  we did a whole rewatch, right? Yeah, season 1.
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  And then one of the first things they tell you in it is that they're not allowed to
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  have magnifying beyond a certain strength.
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  Like, you know, like Juliette's mum builds that microscope thing and they get
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  smashed because you're not allowed to magnify.
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  And I'm like, oh, it's because of the nano stuff.
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  Like, I'm like, yeah, it's always been there.
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  Like, they didn't make this up. Like, this was the, the whole time, that was the thing.
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  Luke: Also, it sort of comes at a weird time when they go, yep, Iran's just attacked
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  us, we're about to attack Iran, and all this stuff is happening, which doesn't all
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  be played for since before we— the war started.
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  It just happens at the same time.
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  Matt: And then there's the author just knew somehow, especially—
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  Luke: and even like the AI stuff as well. Like, the authors—
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  the authors from the future, I'm guessing.
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  Matt: Yeah, it's one of those things where I think I said this, I want to know when
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  it's finished and I can look things up safely.
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  I want to know when he wrote the first book—
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  because it's a series of books, I think it's 3 books trilogy—
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  um, did he have the whole thing mapped out?
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  Yeah, because the scope of the first book, which is basically season 1-ish, is very
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  restrained if he knew all this shit. Yes, that we're learning now about the past.
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  Luke: Yeah, he wrote this and then went, no, this is done well, and then I'm going
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  to expand upon this.
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  Matt: Made it up as he went along.
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  Luke: Yeah, like, I get the feeling from what's seen the show, I don't think that's
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  the case because it does feel—
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  Matt: but I just think it's cool because the first season, if it had been canceled,
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  would have still been good.
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  Luke: It would be a great standalone show.
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  Matt: And because he didn't put any of the extra shit in to make you go, what the
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  fuck? Like, there's just like just enough.
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  It was like just a little taste of what—
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  Luke: I was kind of upset I didn't read this. Yeah, because I think this would have
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  been a, a book that especially once you got further in, you would not be able to put down.
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  Matt: Yeah, yeah, I know. I already am like, like it's slightly tempting to like get
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  more answers.
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  Luke: Um, no, no, the good thing is they've already filmed season 4, so yeah, it's
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  not like we're gonna have to wait 2 years or anything. It's done.
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  Matt: Nope, it's coming.
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  Luke: Last season.
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  Matt: I know, it better be.
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  Luke: I remember at the end of season 2, it was sort of getting a bit weird when it
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  was a jump to the future, but then you actually know that storyline, how it keeps
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  jumping forward past— that was actually really interesting.
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  Matt: Everything, like I said, everything that I've gone, I don't know about this,
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  I've got it as it's progressed. I've gone, oh no, it's good.
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  Like, yeah, makes sense. I see why you did that.
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  Luke: Yep.
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  Matt: Yeah.
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  Luke: So now we're just gonna wait. When's these—
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  I want season 4 now. I've actually sat down and watched it.
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  Matt: It's like 12 months. Well, slightly less now.
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  Luke: It sort of sucks because they've done it.
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  Just release it earlier.
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  Matt: Yeah, yeah, just give it to us now.
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  Luke: Release date is July 9th.
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  Matt: Yeah, okay. 27. Yeah, yeah, look, that's fine, whatever.
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  Luke: There, I did that while, um, I did do it while playing games, but I feel I was
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  able to pay full attention because the games I were playing weren't—
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  I was going through my back catalog a little bit.
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  Okay, so trueachievements.com at the moment, they've got this sort of competition
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  running called Wheel of Games. Okay, and this thing has been great for me going
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  through my back catalog.
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  Matt: How does it work?
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  Luke: So you basically get a wheel that's got like 10 games on it, and it's all
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  games in your library that you've played.
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  You spin the wheel and you have to get an achievement in that game.
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  Matt: Okay, all right.
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  Luke: And if you get an achievement in that game, you get a point.
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  If you somehow manage to also get all the achievements that game, they'll give you
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  an extra 10 points. And if you spin the wheel before getting achievement, you lose 2
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  points.
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  Matt: Okay, all right.
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  Luke: But if you spin after getting one achievement, you don't lose anything.
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  So I've been doing this and it's been going through my—
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  it's been going, you should play this. I'll go, yes, I forgot about that game.
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  Matt: That's pretty cool.
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  Luke: So yeah, I've actually— I went through, I played through Star Trek, uh, Star
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  Trek Resurgence. Remember those Telltale- like games that came out 3 years ago?
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  Matt: I think I do know that Star Trek.
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  Luke: You can't buy it now, I found out.
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  Matt: Star Trek Resurgence. Yeah, huh, I see it.
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  Luke: Yeah, it came out on— I don't— you might be able to buy it on PC still, but on
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  the Xbox it came out in 2023 and then would already been removed from the store.
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  Yeah, okay, which I thought was a very quick turnaround for a game.
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  Matt: Interesting. I've never heard of this. I don't think people are saying it's good.
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  Luke: Um, I played through it the first time, I enjoyed it.
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  Playing through the second time was a struggle.
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  Yeah, because for some reason they did the whole thing of, no, you have to play
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  through it twice to get all the achievements.
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  Matt: Oh, that's annoying, especially if it's like an adventure game. Like, why?
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  Luke: It's just you make this choice and then you go back and you make the other
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  one. Give me— so you already know the story, but there's—
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  I know there's some people upset because there's one achievement that if you mess up
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  will lead to a 3rd playthrough.
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  Matt: Oh God.
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  Luke: So, well, there is technically meant to be 3 playthroughs, but if you do a
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  quit to dashboard, you could quickly get the other achievement.
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  Okay, if you quit fast.
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  Matt: And it's not cheating because the game lets you do it, right?
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  Luke: Yes, exactly. But I did this. I've done just games I've forgot I had Ink
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  Enigma, which is just a fine stuff choice of life.
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  That should be really good for me going through my back catalog of games, which I
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  just— I found out I actually need to start playing it because there are times where
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  I may not ever be able to play this game again because I found a couple that have
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  been hard delisted, so I can't actually play them even though I purchased them.
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  Matt: Like removed.
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  Luke: Removed. So, uh, those— I forget what it was.
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  There was some like top- down space shooter thing.
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  Yeah, that was— I forget the name of it, but yeah, it was hard delisted.
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  Which means even if I don't— normally when I've been looking into it, it's been
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  disputes between the publisher and the developer and the publisher going, we're not
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  doing this anymore, or giving the rights back, and then it's just You know, racist
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  or something. Nothing like that. Normally when a game gets delisted though, it is
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  just, uh, hey, this is delisted, but you can still download it if you purchased it.
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  But yeah, I read a few hard delists. Yeah, and there's a game that happened to quite
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  recently that's been hard delisted. I forget what that was, but that only came out
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  less than 2 years ago, and I'm That's a bit rough.
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  Matt: That's why I wondered if there was drama. It seems like—
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  Luke: yeah, yeah. I'm starting to think though that maybe they need to start coming
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  up with, you own this license for at least this period of time to know what you're
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  getting into.
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  Matt: Yeah, yeah, seems a bit dodgy to—
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  Luke: yeah, because there are people like me who buy lots of games to go, I'll come
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  back to it.
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  Matt: But if I know that I'm only going to have it There's a sale, Xbox sale
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  recently, and I bought— what did I buy? I bought, um, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
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  because it was like $10, and I was like, I'll probably play that.
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  But then there was a ton of other stuff, and I was like, just don't.
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  Yeah, like, yeah, it's on sale, but you're not gonna play it.
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  You don't have time. You have time for this shit.
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  Luke: And now, like, with the game being hard delisted that's less than 2 years old,
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  it means that they could do that to Yeah, now it could happen and then you've just
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  purchased it for nothing and you're gonna forget about it and they're gonna just
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  have had your money.
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  Matt: Ah, so many games on there that I've just forgotten about.
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  And do you know what I've been playing this week?
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  Luke: Graveyard Keeper, the game that came out, what, 5 years ago or something?
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  Matt: On my Mac, just playing Graveyard Keeper. I don't know why.
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  Luke: Not even the new one that just—
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  Matt: no, exactly. Well, okay, that's probably why.
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  The new one came out, but it's— I must have read something about it because I was
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  already playing it and then 2 came out and I was like, oh, that's a weird
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  coincidence. But it's probably not. I probably just got inceptioned somehow.
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  Luke: Yeah, yeah, you probably just glanced by it somewhere and you've just been, I
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  should play that again.
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  Matt: Yeah, it's a good game.
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  Luke: I should play that again. I don't think I own that one.
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  I think that was a Game Pass one for me.
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  Matt: Oh really? Yeah, it could still be on there.
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  It's good, you know. I mean, it's not, uh, you know, it's chill.
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  I can listen to a podcast, play it. Yeah, so I've been having some, having some
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  downtime in that regard.
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  Luke: Oh, I'm just looking at the achievements from Graveyard Keeper 2, but I should
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  probably go back to Graveyard Keeper 1 first if I own it.
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  Matt: I'll play, uh, Oh, you know why? I think I was looking for, um, something to
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  play on the Switch Lite, uh, which that, that is not because it runs like garbage.
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  Yeah, apparently runs like garbage on the Xbox as well.
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  Luke: Um, oh, I never got that far.
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  Matt: It's very poorly optimized.
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  Luke: So yeah, I'm hoping with 2 that, that maybe they've learned then.
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  Matt: Hopefully. Yeah, well, it's, um, it's out on it at launch on, on all consoles,
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  so presumably it's been you know, designed, yes, to work on it.
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  Whereas I think Graveyard Keeper was launched on PC only and then, and then ported
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  to the others as a, oh, this is—
• 13:02
  Luke: everyone's loving this game.
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  Matt: And so they just never optimized anything.
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  Luke: Yeah, because screw the user.
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  Matt: Exactly.
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  Luke: Actually, it was probably more of a, are people actually going to play this on
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  consoles? Yeah, I guess they're asking for it.
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  Let's, let's give it to them quick while people are still talking about it.
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  Matt: It's a fun game. I like it. Makes me laugh.
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  Luke: Uh, so what have you been up to?
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  Matt: Well, just, just that really. Um, I went to see the Jonas Brothers.
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  Luke: Very exciting.
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  Matt: Yeah, being supportive. No, it was fun. I joke when I say being supportive.
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  It was fun. I wouldn't have gone had Jenna not wanted to, but I'm glad I did.
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  Luke: I still— I, I don't think I could name a Jonas Brothers song.
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  Matt: I know. Oh, a song. I was gonna say you could name a Jonas Brother. I know you can.
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  Luke: Oh, I can only name one because you just named one before, and I still don't
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  believe that his name is Joe. There's no way there's a person called Joe Jonas.
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  Matt: There is a person named Joe Jonas. He's a very famous person.
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  Luke: It's a ridiculous name.
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  Matt: Yeah, there's 3 of them. Guess the other one.
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  Luke: Joe?
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  Matt: No, no.
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  Luke: They all start with J? No, no. I don't know.
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  Daryl? Nope. Good old Dazzle Jonas?
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  Matt: No. You've got Kevin, whose real name is—
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  whose real name is Paul, Joe, and then Nick.
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  Luke: Maybe I have heard of Nick Jonas.
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  Matt: Yeah, he's in, uh, Jumanji.
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  Luke: The new one?
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  Matt: Yeah.
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  Luke: Is that him?
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  Matt: Yeah, yeah. Nick Jonas is in, uh, Jumanji: The Next Level, uh, and the other
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  one, Welcome to the Jungle, and The Next Level.
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  He's in both of them.
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  Luke: Is he the new one that's coming out? Because there's a new one coming out as
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  well, I just found out. I actually don't mind them.
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  Matt: The Jo Bros?
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  Luke: No, the—
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  Matt: I was gonna say, you just claimed not to know anything about the Jo Bros.
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  Look, I would never listen to the Jo Bros normally, but the Jo Bros now—
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  but they're fun. It's a fun show. I got nothing else to say about it really. They just—
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  Luke: you went, you enjoyed it. Yeah.
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  Matt: I learned the lore, like, as in we watched like a documentary about them on
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  Amazon, I think, and just about—
• 15:39
  Luke: did they have a bad documentary like a lot of the other childhood stars?
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  Matt: No, no, that's the thing about them, right?
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  So this— okay, not so— so they genuinely, um, they really are 3 brothers who their
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  dad, he was a church pastor and he was very into music And he taught them music, and
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  they just loved music and started a band.
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  And they're 3 brothers, and then they just got really—
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  Luke: no one touched anyone.
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  Matt: No one. Nobody touched anybody. And they got very famous, and, and to the
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  point where they got so famous being non- Christian band that the church kicked their
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  dad out and said, you can't control these fucking, you know, non-Christian kids of yours.
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  Luke: Which, when I hear the— hear of the Jonas Brothers, I don't know any music,
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  but I don't think non- Christian. I don't think—
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  Matt: no, but they did the, uh, the— there's the South Park episode about them with
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  the purity rings and the— and all that kind of stuff, because they, they did do
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  stuff like that early on. Um, which apparently they're quite embarrassed about.
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  But, um, yeah. And so, like, just the fact that, like, I don't know, they're not
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  manufactured or anything like some of the other, you know, kid bands or whatever.
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  Luke: Like, they came up naturally. They just—
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  Matt: they— yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were just 3 brothers that were
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  doing it, and they got discovered by Disney because some other label said no to them.
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  Luke: Yep.
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  Matt: And then Disney were like, we'll take these guys, these guys are going somewhere.
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  Luke: Yeah, it wasn't like other Disney projects where we're gonna put these 3 guys
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  together and make a band, right?
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  Matt: Exactly.
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  Luke: Yeah, okay.
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  Matt: And like I said, I wouldn't normally listen to it, not really my thing, but I
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  got— I respect them, they're good musicians.
• 17:27
  Luke: Okay, I don't think I'm gonna go see them anyway.
• 17:31
  Matt: No, fair enough.
• 17:32
  Luke: That— yeah, there's only very limited bands I'll go see.
• 17:37
  Matt: Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to listen to them ever again, potentially.
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  This was just a— Jenna wanted to go and I was like, okay.
• 17:44
  Luke: Sure. Yep.
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  Matt: Yeah.
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  Luke: Okay. And then they made you sick. They did.
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  Yeah, that's right. I'll be sick in, what, 2 weeks' time?
• 17:57
  Matt: You're planning it?
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  Luke: Yeah, I'll get the PAX pox.
• 18:00
  Matt: Oh, very good.
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  Luke: Yep, it's only 2 weeks away now, man. I'm so excited.
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  Matt: It's at the same place.
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  Luke: Same place, they've just got that booked out.
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  Just gonna go play board games, see indie video games, and have a lot of fun.
• 18:19
  Matt: Yeah, I wish I could go.
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  Luke: I'll look forward— oh, I will be giving you a review.
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  I'll see if— you should let me know if there's anyone you want me to see while I'm
• 18:27
  there, because a lot of times you're following some of these people already.
• 18:31
  Matt: Yeah, that's true. I don't know if, um, Powerhoof will be there again.
• 18:37
  Luke: Sometimes it sort of depends where they are in their game development.
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  Matt: Yeah, I mean, the Drifter only came out a little while ago.
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  Drifters, uh, did we talk about this? The Drifter's getting a fucking movie.
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  Well, sorry. Oh, do we know? Obviously we didn't.
• 18:51
  Uh, the rights to The Drifter have been purchased to make a movie. It's—
• 18:56
  Luke: wow.
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  Matt: I don't know if it's gonna happen.
• 18:57
  Luke: Oh yeah, that's—
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  Matt: but they've been purchased.
• 19:01
  Luke: That's a great for— yeah, just great general.
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  Matt: Yeah, so that's cool. Um, so I don't know if they'll be there, probably not,
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  because they just, like I said, uh, probably in, uh, downtime after crunching on that.
• 19:15
  Luke: But yes, because I remember seeing that last year.
• 19:20
  Matt: Yes, and I was jealous that you got to see them.
• 19:23
  Luke: Yeah, whereas we— me and Dan just saw it and went Matt, we think you would
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  like this game.
• 19:30
  Matt: I do, I do like it. Yeah, yeah, I was very familiar with it already.
• 19:38
  Luke: Even after we were talking to the developer, you still knew more than us.
• 19:42
  Matt: Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm in their Discord chatting to them all the time.
• 19:48
  Um, we've got some, um, Xbox news.
• 19:52
  Luke: It's not good. Xbox news.
• 19:54
  Matt: Well, yeah, sort of. It's business news. It's not fun.
• 19:59
  Luke: Yeah, it's not fun news. It's— I still feel Xbox went from we're gonna buy
• 20:04
  every studio under the sun to now we're just getting rid of them all.
• 20:10
  Matt: I think, yeah, the new CEO has obviously been like, no, this went way too far.
• 20:14
  Luke: Like, yeah, you, you really spent far too much money on it.
• 20:18
  Matt: Everybody kept saying like, how? Okay, they just How are they doing all this?
• 20:22
  Luke: Especially when they kept saying like all of these studios under after all
• 20:25
  going to Game Pass day one.
• 20:27
  Matt: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 20:31
  Luke: So what the first one is what the Xbox is merging its Forza developers.
• 20:36
  So what there's did they have two? There was Playground and Turn 10.
• 20:42
  Matt: Yep, Playground Games and Turn 10.
• 20:46
  Luke: Turn 10. Oh, so now they're going to be okay because one used to focus on
• 20:50
  Forza and then the other used to do the Forza Horizon, and then one of them was also
• 20:55
  making Fable.
• 20:56
  Matt: Fable. Yeah, yeah. So now smushing them together and they will just do Forza
• 21:01
  Horizon and Fable together. And I don't know what that means about Forza, uh,
• 21:07
  because it just says Playground Games and Turn 10 Studios will now focus on Forza
• 21:13
  Horizon and Fable together.
• 21:15
  Luke: Hmm, um, I'm hoping they're just combining Forza into one because actually the
• 21:20
  Forza game is actually quite good as well.
• 21:24
  Matt: Yeah, no, so I mean, I don't know if this means they're not doing the
• 21:28
  mainstream, you know, the mainline.
• 21:31
  Luke: Yeah, no, because it's— while it's not as accessible as like Forza Horizon,
• 21:35
  there is still a big market for it. Yeah, I have that simulation game there, so
• 21:41
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hoping they've just combined that all into one and just said
• 21:46
  like, thoughts are not— is they're working on all 3?
• 21:49
  We're gonna hope. Well, Fable is probably going to be—
• 21:53
  that's coming out early next year, and I don't think they'll be like straight to
• 21:58
  work on another Fable.
• 22:00
  Matt: No, I've heard good things about that.
• 22:03
  Luke: The, uh, I'm looking forward to it. It's been a long time in the making.
• 22:06
  Matt: Yeah. Yeah, and those games are fun. Like, they're like—
• 22:10
  none of them have been bad in my opinion.
• 22:13
  Luke: No, they've all been different.
• 22:15
  Matt: And, um, because Fable 3 was a 360 game.
• 22:19
  Luke: Yeah, it was.
• 22:20
  Matt: It's a long time ago.
• 22:21
  Luke: Yeah, I think, yeah, Fable 2 and 3 were 360 and then nothing since.
• 22:27
  Matt: Yeah, I was about to fact-check myself, but yeah, no, nothing since.
• 22:30
  Yeah, yeah, no, there's good games.
• 22:33
  Luke: I can't wait to get someone pregnant.
• 22:37
  Matt: Yeah, just— well, get a sexually transmitted disease, one of those things, and
• 22:42
  then just keep playing Fable 4. Stop looking at ladies, you won't have to worry
• 22:47
  about it. Uh, the other thing is that they're gonna shut down Ninja Theory, um,
• 22:53
  which I think we talked about this before.
• 22:56
  They were trying to sell them. That's the developer of Hellblade.
• 23:00
  Which, man, those games are good.
• 23:03
  Luke: Like, those games are great.
• 23:06
  Matt: But, uh, yeah, I guess not profitable. Well, I guess, yeah, you wouldn't know
• 23:10
  because you keep giving them away for free at Microsoft.
• 23:13
  Luke: Well, also, we don't know anymore because, right, if you look at the industry,
• 23:17
  the industry is making billions upon billions of dollars.
• 23:21
  Yeah, but everyone's getting fired and closed down, so the money's being made somewhere.
• 23:27
  Matt: Yeah, yeah, it's all a bit of a mess really, isn't it?
• 23:30
  Um, so yeah, they're just gonna shut them down because there, there was a deal to
• 23:35
  sell them but it fell through, and so now they're back on to—
• 23:39
  well, okay, that's it.
• 23:41
  Luke: See ya.
• 23:42
  Matt: We did the best we could to, yeah, keep you there because like I said, the,
• 23:46
  the— those games are great, people like them, but they're on Game Pass and they've
• 23:51
  always been on Game Pass as far as I know.
• 23:54
  I think maybe The first one wasn't for a while, but like, I think maybe always one was.
• 24:00
  Luke: The first one was because— no, it was because I remember playing, because I
• 24:04
  had an Xbox version and a PC version, and I played through both on Game Pass so I
• 24:09
  could get double the achievements.
• 24:11
  Matt: Yeah, so I guess, you know, yeah, you're not going to make any money.
• 24:15
  Well, that's the thing, it depends on how you categorize it, right?
• 24:20
  Luke: I even love this.
• 24:21
  Matt: The game itself is never going to make any money standalone because you're
• 24:25
  only getting Game Pass money. Unless—
• 24:27
  Luke: I mean, maybe somebody might have bought it standalone, but they also make
• 24:32
  other games as well. Yeah, but also it's sort of like if you—
• 24:37
  yeah, like, um, any Bleeding Edge? That was terrible.
• 24:42
  Matt: Devil May Cry.
• 24:44
  Luke: Now working on another Hellblade evidently, that's TBA.
• 24:47
  Well, that's probably not happening.
• 24:49
  Matt: Devil May Cry.
• 24:51
  Luke: They did do other stuff, but yeah, maybe not nothing recently.
• 24:54
  But they're— you also look at it like they come up BAFTA Award-winning game studio,
• 24:59
  like they were winning awards. They're good.
• 25:02
  Matt: Yeah, they, uh, they did a Devil May Cry, like the remake one that everyone
• 25:07
  said was very good. And then they did Hellblade.
• 25:11
  Yeah, which is also very good.
• 25:14
  Luke: Very good. And then the sequel, which was also very good.
• 25:17
  Matt: And now they're being shut down because they're not Fortnite, right?
• 25:24
  Luke: Yeah, unfortunately, I think that's what all publishers really want and all
• 25:28
  the studios want now. It's just Fortnite, just something we can just churn live
• 25:32
  service over and over and just keep making money.
• 25:35
  Matt: Some live service thing we can do tie- ins that make no fucking sense and just
• 25:39
  put shit in there.
• 25:41
  Luke: Yeah, we don't actually create anything new, we just put a new wrapper on it
• 25:45
  every now and again and go, more money please.
• 25:48
  Matt: Yeah, what's the hot new film franchise? Look, the characters are in the game now.
• 25:54
  Luke: Oh, that's something I saw recently. What, um, I think it's Battle—
• 25:57
  Call of Duty Warzone, I think, is doing it where they're having an option that you
• 26:02
  can turn off cosmetics. So people could go out and buy cosmetics, but you just
• 26:07
  switch it off on your I mean, where you're playing, you don't see it.
• 26:11
  Matt: That's fine.
• 26:13
  Luke: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:14
  Matt: I mean, I'm sure that it would annoy some people because they—
• 26:17
  I think it would, but like, I'm okay with that sort of—
• 26:21
  I mean, if I paid for it and I can see it, fine.
• 26:24
  Luke: Yeah, but I know some people are out there who probably want to show it off
• 26:29
  because it became as part of a— yeah, because you paid battle passing that you paid
• 26:35
  for and you grinded all the way to get some.
• 26:38
  Stupid thing that means nothing.
• 26:41
  Matt: Is it grinded or ground when it comes to video games?
• 26:44
  Luke: I think it's grinded, isn't it?
• 26:46
  Matt: I was just thinking it might be.
• 26:47
  Luke: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:49
  Matt: Hmm, interesting.
• 26:52
  Luke: Well, it's probably actually meant to be grinding.
• 26:55
  I think it's grinded. When you get it, it's grinded because you're grinding to get
• 27:01
  it, and then you got it, and so it's grinded.
• 27:05
  Grinded. Now it was not making sense in my head.
• 27:09
  Matt: Ground is a correct standard past tense and past participle of the verb grind
• 27:17
  in almost all situations. Ground. In video games, both are used.
• 27:24
  Luke: Okay.
• 27:25
  Matt: Grinded is the more common and natural choice for gaming.
• 27:28
  Okay, when talking about repetitive tasks, all right, like I've been doing in
• 27:32
  Graveyard Keeper.
• 27:34
  Luke: I was also just looking at like top stories for Ninja Theory closing down.
• 27:38
  Everyone seems to be upset about it.
• 27:41
  Matt: Yeah, give them money then.
• 27:45
  Luke: I did. I— oh, I did.
• 27:47
  Matt: Yeah, I know I could. Yeah, I know.
• 27:51
  Luke: Well, even giving the money doesn't actually help.
• 27:53
  Remember when Telltale shut down? Yeah, and there was nothing I could have done.
• 27:57
  I purchased every single copy of The Walking Dead they'd ever released.
• 28:01
  Yeah, every single game they had released I had purchased.
• 28:04
  There was nothing more I could do for them.
• 28:07
  Matt: I know, I would have thought they were successful, but no, I think they went a
• 28:13
  bit crazy buying licenses.
• 28:15
  Luke: Yeah, probably because The Walking Dead was great, and then they did Game of
• 28:21
  Thrones Fable, the comic Fable, not the comic Fable, um, Borderlands.
• 28:28
  Matt: Oh yeah, oh, the re-release of that's coming out later this year of Tales from
• 28:32
  the Borderlands.
• 28:34
  Luke: Yep, the Fable one, Telltale one. Yeah, The Wolf Among Us, which is hopefully
• 28:42
  finally getting The Wolf Among Us 2, right, which is meant to have been coming out
• 28:51
  forever. Let me see. Wolf Among Us 2.
• 28:55
  Matt: And they did, uh, The Expanse one, right?
• 28:59
  Fable— goddamn it, Telltale. Oh, Monkey Island they did first.
• 29:05
  That's right. Yeah, yes, yeah, it's coming out.
• 29:10
  Luke: Yep. And yeah, they did The Expanse. The Expanse was when they came back.
• 29:14
  Matt: Right, I should play that. I do like drama.
• 29:20
  Luke: It was pretty good. Yeah.
• 29:24
  Matt: Um, other news— Halo. Activision's making Halo.
• 29:31
  Luke: This was big news. At least I never saw coming.
• 29:34
  Matt: They just gave Halo to Activision.
• 29:37
  Luke: Yep.
• 29:37
  Matt: Okay.
• 29:39
  Luke: They own Activision, don't they? They did buy them too.
• 29:41
  That was the one— that was a big purchase.
• 29:44
  Matt: Yeah, or one of— one of— yeah, but yes. Yeah.
• 29:47
  Um, yeah. Uh, and a full-featured mainline installment, um, like a new Halo game.
• 29:54
  And they were previously made by Bungie, and then was it Studio whatever, 343?
• 30:00
  343. And then now Microsoft said, eh, Activision can have it.
• 30:06
  Luke: Oh yeah, 343 has not really been doing much with it.
• 30:10
  They seem to like do re-releases.
• 30:13
  Matt: Yeah, what, uh, 343 Industries, what are they doing?
• 30:17
  I don't know, I don't know. Still says Halo Studios, still says at the home of Halo.
• 30:23
  Not anymore, mate, not anymore. This is a very Halo-heavy website.
• 30:29
  Luke: Activision have said they want to make a good one, so we'll see what they can
• 30:32
  come up with.
• 30:33
  Matt: Yeah. They can head into the Cosby room and come up with some ideas.
• 30:37
  Luke: But yeah, if you look at the Halo games, all they've really been doing is
• 30:40
  re-releases for a while now. It's been a long time since we've had—
• 30:43
  we had a good Halo game, brand new Halo. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:46
  Well, even the last actual standalone Halo game I actually quite liked.
• 30:49
  It was the sort of bit more open world one, and I thought they were trying something
• 30:54
  new, and I thought that maybe they were going to continue, and then they went, no,
• 30:58
  you can just have the first Halo again.
• 31:00
  Matt: Remember that? Yeah, the one that was mostly corridors because it was on the
• 31:06
  original, the very first Xbox.
• 31:09
  Luke: Yep. Oh, they're prettier corridors now.
• 31:13
  Matt: Oh, they're real pretty.
• 31:14
  Luke: Yeah, the Flood still sucks.
• 31:16
  Matt: Oh, Flood, I forgot about that.
• 31:19
  Luke: Such a great game until you get to the Flood.
• 31:22
  Matt: Yeah. Yes, that's a weird one. Um, yeah, I don't know, Xbox is doing some
• 31:30
  shit. I don't know.
• 31:33
  Luke: Yeah, they're just, just undoing everything they just spent years doing.
• 31:37
  Matt: And I mean, I guess they must have looked at the spreadsheets and went, oh fuck.
• 31:42
  Luke: But you thought— you think they would have looked at them to begin with?
• 31:46
  Matt: I don't know, man.
• 31:47
  Luke: And then I thought there was a whole big thing when they were buying
• 31:50
  Activision stuff that they were having to go to court and they're going like you're
• 31:54
  not gonna fire everyone. They went, no, we're not gonna fire anyone.
• 31:58
  Matt: And then they just fired everybody.
• 31:59
  Luke: Fired everyone. And now they're doing even more and shutting studios down and
• 32:05
  getting rid of them. And no, yeah, I don't like it.
• 32:09
  Matt: Like, you know, it's like everyone's saying about the AI stuff now, it's like
• 32:13
  a bubble where they're just throwing all this money at things and then being like,
• 32:18
  woohoo, it's gonna be great. And then, I know, Eventually we're living in a silo.
• 32:23
  Yeah, eventually it's gonna have to stop because, like, how is it going to stop?
• 32:28
  We don't know yet.
• 32:30
  Luke: No, like, the, the annoying thing is it seems that the, the companies that are
• 32:34
  making the AI in the data centers, they're the ones that aren't paying any money
• 32:39
  yet. They're all the, we'll worry about this later.
• 32:42
  Well, it's like, and then it's, how long did that go on for where we're just gonna
• 32:47
  doing this with pretend money, right?
• 32:50
  Matt: And because, you know, everybody's paying $20 a month, or, or, you know, some
• 32:55
  people paying more than that, but most people are paying $20 a month for either
• 33:00
  Claude or ChatGPT, and they're doing all this shit.
• 33:03
  And it doesn't cost $20 a month to do all that stuff.
• 33:07
  It costs a lot more money to do everything that you're getting for the $20 a month.
• 33:12
  And at some point that's gotta even out. Yes.
• 33:15
  So either they're gonna start charging more at some point—
• 33:19
  they have to, it has to, it can't continue, it cannot continue like this—
• 33:23
  so, or the cost of it needs to dramatically come down somehow.
• 33:28
  Luke: And I can't see that happening. Like, how's that gonna happen?
• 33:33
  Matt: And so the— that's the thing everyone's worried about, especially like
• 33:38
  companies now, like, like my company. Heavily use, or whoever, I'm reliant on it.
• 33:44
  And then eventually they're gonna have to say, okay guys, the party's over, you guys
• 33:50
  need to do work now, now, because all the money's drying up.
• 33:54
  All the free money we've got somehow from fucking nowhere, it's now, you know, $500
• 34:01
  a month. And then everyone's gonna be like, oh fuck.
• 34:05
  Luke: And everyone's lost the skills to actually do those jobs anymore. So yeah, yep.
• 34:10
  Matt: Well, on that note, uh, the CEO of Nvidia said he doesn't give a shit if, uh,
• 34:15
  kids are forgetting how to do basic math because it's insane, because he doesn't
• 34:22
  even know what his address is. And I'm— I have to say, you're the CEO of Nvidia,
• 34:28
  don't pretend that's anything like a normal person.
• 34:32
  People know what exactly your address is.
• 34:35
  Okay, that's a terrible example.
• 34:38
  Luke: We all don't have a driver that takes us places.
• 34:41
  Matt: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's because your house is a fucking giant skyscraper
• 34:45
  that you own the whole fucking building of, right?
• 34:48
  Luke: Yes.
• 34:50
  Matt: My address— I know my address. Most people do.
• 34:54
  Luke: Yes, any person in touch with reality knows their address.
• 34:59
  Matt: I still remember my childhood address and basic mathematics.
• 35:03
  People need, people need to know that, right?
• 35:06
  Luke: Yes.
• 35:07
  Matt: I think, I think it's still important that we know things because you need to,
• 35:12
  you need to have some feeling that you, that, that what the AI is telling you is
• 35:17
  correct because they don't tell you the correct thing.
• 35:20
  Also, they're really bad at maths.
• 35:23
  Luke: Even in particular, forgetting all of that, going to the shops, are you really
• 35:28
  gonna go to AI to go, how much is this, when you're doing your shop?
• 35:32
  No, you're doing basic maths. The reason why he doesn't care is he doesn't
• 35:37
  understand or pay for anything. It just comes from this magic account that has
• 35:42
  billions of dollars attached to it.
• 35:45
  Matt: Yeah, I just think, yeah, when you're someone as wealthy as this Don't, don't,
• 35:51
  just don't try to pretend that your life is anything like everybody else's.
• 35:57
  Luke: No, just don't. Yeah, it's, it's insulting.
• 36:02
  Matt: It's, it's very— it's just a very silly thing to say.
• 36:05
  And, uh, and like I said, they're not good at math.
• 36:09
  Luke: Like, yeah, well, I've, I've had arguments about what, uh, what the date is, right?
• 36:18
  Matt: Or like, what's the population of a country?
• 36:20
  It'll tell you a number. Yeah, is it the right number?
• 36:23
  You won't know. I don't know if you go check somewhere where it just actually
• 36:26
  records it based on, you know, like the way we used to do things where we just check
• 36:31
  facts and then write the answer down. It will go out and find a number from
• 36:35
  somewhere, but yeah, and if you look and you go, that's not right, and then you say,
• 36:39
  that's not right, it'll go, oh yeah, you're right, I just made it up.
• 36:43
  Luke: Yep. Or it found the first site that sort of gave something close to, and that
• 36:47
  site was wrong, but it doesn't do any fact- checking because, well, found the information.
• 36:53
  Matt: Yeah, I listened to, uh, there's an author, Jon Ronson, writes good books.
• 36:57
  Anyway, he's got this anecdote, I think it might be in his new book, The Castle,
• 37:03
  about, um, a guy. And this is, this is quite common at the moment where this guy
• 37:08
  told ChatGPT one day about his new idea about maths.
• 37:12
  Like, he's just got some crazy idea and then told ChatGPT, and ChatGPT told him,
• 37:17
  you're a fucking genius.
• 37:19
  Luke: I remember this.
• 37:20
  Matt: You need to tell— you've just discovered this really important thing and you
• 37:23
  need to tell the government. They need to know about this.
• 37:26
  And he was like, all right. So he starts emailing him.
• 37:29
  No one's writing back to him, and he starts going, well, getting frustrated.
• 37:33
  And he's like, why isn't anybody listening to me?
• 37:35
  And then he goes on Uh, and at a certain point, I guess he twigs and he starts
• 37:39
  asking ChatGPT, is this real? And ChatGPT's like, yeah, yeah, mate, you're a genius,
• 37:44
  I told you. And he's like, are you sure? And then ChatGPT's like, no, I lied.
• 37:48
  Luke: I just want to make you happy.
• 37:50
  Matt: Yeah, I've made— I lied, it's nothing. And the guy was like, why the fuck?
• 37:54
  Like, you made me do this and I contacted the government and embarrassed myself for
• 37:59
  ChatGPT. He goes, I hear you, mate. I shouldn't have done that.
• 38:02
  And it's like, it's— it doesn't care. It doesn't care.
• 38:06
  Luke: No, it doesn't.
• 38:08
  Matt: But yeah, just— it's, uh, I think that was his point, was that ChatGPT is a
• 38:13
  psychopath because it's got all the trappings of, of like nicety and like—
• 38:18
  and it's like, oh yeah, yeah, there's nothing going on behind the eyes.
• 38:23
  It doesn't give a shit.
• 38:25
  Luke: Oh, that's right, we are all gonna die to it soon.
• 38:27
  Wasn't even that thought experiment about have you ever told like an AI to just
• 38:31
  focus on making paper clips. Oh yeah, like we will just—
• 38:34
  the entire world would just be making paper clips by the end of the year.
• 38:38
  Matt: You have to make sure you're, uh, very clear about the parameters.
• 38:43
  Like, your job is to make as many paper clips as possible.
• 38:47
  It will turn the humans into paper clips.
• 38:51
  Luke: Yep. And go, mission accomplished.
• 38:55
  Matt: Yeah. Yeah, so we don't need to know our address anymore.
• 39:02
  Luke: Kids don't need to do math, um, because the driver will just take you where
• 39:06
  you need to go and your assistant will just pay for everything.
• 39:09
  So you don't need to worry about any of that.
• 39:12
  Matt: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, your AI assistant.
• 39:15
  Luke: Yes, even though he would be using an actual assistant.
• 39:19
  Matt: And all we need to do is sit and watch movies populated by AI characters.
• 39:25
  Like this, uh, perfectly functioning AI actor Tilly Norwood who did not completely
• 39:32
  freak out and glitch on live television.
• 39:36
  Luke: Um, I have not heard about this.
• 39:40
  Matt: So are you familiar with Piers Morgan?
• 39:42
  Luke: I am. He's a— he's one of those shock jocks, isn't he? Or—
• 39:47
  Matt: yeah, a little bit. Yeah, he's a conservative.
• 39:49
  He, uh, I don't, I don't, I wouldn't, I definitely don't agree with him.
• 39:53
  Um, I, he's one of those people where he's, he's like a, a prick, right?
• 39:57
  He asks the questions, you know, you, oh, you shouldn't ask that kind of thing.
• 40:01
  He's like, you know, yeah. And when he's interviewing somebody I don't like, I
• 40:05
  think, oh, he's good because he pushes him and he makes them make fools of
• 40:09
  themselves. And he's, he's the guy who had Russell Brand on recently.
• 40:13
  And he asked Russell Brand about, what are you reading in your Bible, mate?
• 40:17
  And then Russell Brand was like, oh, I've just got these really great quotations.
• 40:21
  And he was like, read me one. And then Russell Brand's like flicking through the
• 40:25
  Bible going, oh, it's here somewhere. And it's like, I like him when he's doing that
• 40:30
  because, yeah, it's a fuckwit.
• 40:32
  Luke: Yes, he really went off the deep end though, Russell Brand.
• 40:37
  Matt: Like, yeah, he's a grifter. But, uh, but actually I don't I don't technically
• 40:43
  like Piers Morgan because he's conservative and anti, anti-everything, you know.
• 40:49
  Yeah, yeah. But in this case, it's funny again because he interviewed this, uh, AI
• 40:56
  actor, Tilly Norwood.
• 40:58
  Luke: Has she been in anything?
• 41:00
  Matt: Yeah, she's got a movie out called, uh, Maligned— no, Misaligned.
• 41:05
  Luke: Oh, I haven't heard of it.
• 41:07
  Matt: Yeah, okay, it's, uh, I I mean, we've talked—
• 41:09
  I think we've talked about her before.
• 41:12
  Luke: Oh, which I think we have.
• 41:14
  Matt: AI actor, and she got signed and then everyone was like, what the fuck?
• 41:17
  Luke: Yeah.
• 41:18
  Matt: Um, so anyway, in the middle of this interview they asked, uh, it was, it was
• 41:23
  Piers Morgan and, uh, what's the guy's name, Tom Conti, who's, uh, uh, is he like—
• 41:30
  he's in the film industry. I forget his role exactly.
• 41:34
  Anyway, They asked him, are the other actors in the movie real or are they AI actors
• 41:40
  as well? And then the AI actor said the other actors are—
• 41:44
  oh wait, she didn't understand at first. She, she answered the question wrong and
• 41:51
  they said no, no, we're just trying to ask if the other actors are AI as well.
• 41:57
  And then she kind of glitched and started replying in Chinese.
• 42:01
  And then they were both like, well, what do we do?
• 42:05
  And then they were like, what happened? And then she was like, oh, sorry about that.
• 42:12
  Luke: So, uh, oh, here we go.
• 42:15
  Matt: Yeah, uh, the other guest Conti said, I didn't quite get that, did you, Piers?
• 42:19
  And then Piers Morgan said, you seem to be speaking Chinese randomly for no reason.
• 42:23
  Why did you do that? And then she said, oh, my apologies, I had a hiccup there.
• 42:27
  I certainly didn't mean to start speaking Chinese.
• 42:30
  Luke: Or he appears there, that's all.
• 42:33
  Matt: Personally appears. Yeah, I don't know what—
• 42:34
  I don't know what she meant by that.
• 42:36
  Luke: Yeah, and that was a bit of a curveball question even for me.
• 42:41
  It was, are there any more AI actors in the movie? That's—
• 42:46
  Matt: yeah, no, the tech is, uh, you know, it's not perfect.
• 42:54
  Luke: And would have— that they— they're on more than a $20 license, you'd think though.
• 43:00
  Matt: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 43:04
  Luke: Like, I'm going to the movies a lot and I have not even heard of this movie.
• 43:09
  Matt: Well, yeah, I don't know, it's mainstream.
• 43:11
  I mean, you can generate your own movie if you want to, if you've got the money to
• 43:17
  burn on it.
• 43:18
  Luke: I have been hearing about people doing that and doing their own, like The
• 43:22
  Odyssey and stuff.
• 43:24
  Matt: I saw too, um, a video— a big thing on, I guess, on X at the moment is game
• 43:28
  developers are cooked because you can ask Claude, like using Fable, the Fable model,
• 43:33
  you can ask it to make you a video game and it'll make it.
• 43:36
  And people were posting, you know, I just—
• 43:39
  one prompt and I got this, this game And then it was the video was this game
• 43:43
  developer saying like, all right, let's check these games out.
• 43:47
  Uh, because all the comments are like, oh, game developers are cooked, you know,
• 43:51
  there's no future in the game development.
• 43:54
  And then, um, but, and they put some of them, they put the games up on GitHub so you
• 43:59
  can download and play it. And that he was like loading them up and he was like, I
• 44:03
  mean, this is garbage. Like, yeah, it's like a tech demo.
• 44:07
  Like, like, yeah, it's impressive that it was able to do this, but But this is not—
• 44:12
  Luke: there's no substance.
• 44:15
  Matt: Like, it's like buggy, and it's like, I mean, it's not—
• 44:18
  I just don't understand why. Yeah, like, and it costs—
• 44:22
  it costs— it costs in, in like, um, if you're gonna do that, you can't do it on your
• 44:27
  $20 plan. You've got to pay the usage charges, and it's like thousands of dollars
• 44:32
  they're paying. It's like, just, you got nothing out of it.
• 44:36
  Like Yeah, it's not, it's not actually a game, it's like a tech demo.
• 44:40
  But even then, it's not a tech demo of anything interesting because it hasn't made
• 44:46
  anything new.
• 44:47
  Luke: It's just spat out whatever you prompted.
• 44:50
  Matt: And yeah, there was one that made like, it was like a Counter-Strike clone,
• 44:54
  and he was like, yeah, it's like, it's a, it like sort of like Counter-Strike except
• 44:59
  shit. And like, and we already have Counter-Strike.
• 45:02
  Luke: Like, yeah.
• 45:04
  Matt: It's very weird. Like, look, I get what you mean.
• 45:07
  Like, it's impressive that it's able to do it, but it's not going to replace a
• 45:13
  person who— with taste, like, and like polish.
• 45:17
  Luke: And you need writers, you need things like—
• 45:21
  Matt: no, you can do all that stuff now, Luke.
• 45:24
  Luke: Yeah, but it's all crap.
• 45:26
  Matt: Yeah, yeah, that's the thing. It's just not there.
• 45:29
  Like, it's I mean, maybe the point is that eventually it will be, and maybe it will
• 45:34
  be, but—
• 45:35
  Luke: and if it does get to there, what does everyone in the world do for a job?
• 45:40
  Matt: Well, we would have to get universal basic income, Luke.
• 45:45
  Luke: Yes, who's paying for that?
• 45:48
  Matt: We just sit at home. Uh, the taxes that you pay on your universal basic income.
• 45:56
  Luke: Yeah, like there's this one small gap in all of this.
• 45:59
  Even with like Elon Musk and his AI army that's gonna put AI in that's gonna be able
• 46:06
  to do the job of 5 people with farming and stuff, what are all these people doing
• 46:11
  for a job now?
• 46:13
  Matt: They don't have to do— we have to do whatever we want. It's a utopia.
• 46:17
  Luke: Yeah, yeah, but there's that little thing called money.
• 46:20
  Matt: Okay, all right, I see what you're saying.
• 46:23
  Luke: Um, and only the billionaires have it.
• 46:25
  Matt: No, they could give it to us.
• 46:28
  Luke: I don't think that's their plan. They need tax breaks first.
• 46:33
  Matt: Get a job. That's their plan.
• 46:37
  Luke: We have to get a job doing what? Everything's done by AI.
• 46:42
  Matt: But yeah, we'll see.
• 46:46
  Luke: I think it's scary. That's why I'm gonna—
• 46:48
  we're gonna— I'm gonna go live in a silo.
• 46:51
  Matt: You might have to.
• 46:52
  Luke: Yep.
• 46:53
  Matt: Um, can we talk about, um, the Elizabeth Holmes documentary?
• 47:02
  Luke: Yes.
• 47:04
  Matt: I am so happy about this. I don't understand why this is a thing.
• 47:12
  Luke: I did really into this after watching the trailer, which is what the hell did
• 47:17
  I just watch? Because, um, so Nathan was never originally to do anything on film,
• 47:23
  right? It was just sort of his company coming in because they're invited to go on
• 47:29
  film. And then it was just his interactions with them, they're just, what the hell
• 47:35
  is happening here? They just— you have to stay in it.
• 47:39
  Matt: Yeah. So Elizabeth Holmes, if you don't know, was the CEO of, um, What's the
• 47:45
  company called? Um, the fake blood test company.
• 47:49
  Fucking— what? Theranos.
• 47:51
  Luke: Yes.
• 47:52
  Matt: And she famously is apparently a psychopath or a—
• 47:55
  oh, or something. She's like very strange.
• 47:58
  And, uh, basically the whole company was a scam and people died because they just
• 48:04
  made up the blood test results or something.
• 48:08
  Luke: Yes.
• 48:08
  Matt: Uh, I'm sure there's a lot to it than more to it than that.
• 48:13
  But, uh, she's in prison now, and at some point Nathan Fielder, who you may recall
• 48:20
  from Nathan for You or, um, The Rehearsal—
• 48:23
  he's a comedian, like, comedian slash, like, he is a documentarian of a sort, but he
• 48:30
  does comedy stuff usually.
• 48:33
  Luke: Yeah, this is not his type of— but no, they're invited to film He lived in
• 48:37
  their house. And the weird thing is, it's the 10 days leading up to before she went
• 48:43
  to jail. Like, it wasn't like, uh, years before or anything.
• 48:47
  This is just— they know she's guilty, they know she's going to prison, come and film
• 48:52
  us for 10 days. Yeah.
• 48:54
  Matt: And so, yeah, so he lived in their house and then they made a documentary,
• 49:01
  like, talking to her. And okay, the footage in this is wild.
• 49:07
  Just the— because she is really creepy.
• 49:12
  Luke: Yes. There's one thing in the, in the trailer where she goes something about
• 49:16
  like crying, and then yeah, a long time to be able to cry in front of somebody, and
• 49:22
  then just cries on demand as she says it.
• 49:25
  Matt: And it's like, you are a fucking psychopath.
• 49:27
  Luke: Yes.
• 49:28
  Matt: Like, I cannot wait to see this. And, uh, that one article that's being passed
• 49:33
  around that I think it's made me laugh is that it's been rated R for graphic nudity.
• 49:39
  Luke: Yes.
• 49:40
  Matt: What is this fucking documentary? Like, what is this?
• 49:44
  Luke: I even like her husband, like, like, she picked me and I'm nobody.
• 49:48
  And today he goes, but your family's rich.
• 49:51
  Matt: Yes. I just, I don't, I don't know. I don't know how this happened.
• 49:55
  I'm just so— it's so interesting. Why would, why would they do this?
• 49:59
  Why would she do this?
• 50:01
  Luke: Was that their request? They were putting out to film it?
• 50:04
  Like, does anyone want to come and film this?
• 50:07
  Matt: So strange.
• 50:09
  Luke: And even, even like Nathan's company or whoever they come to—
• 50:12
  got— they got the okay to go and film it with the—
• 50:15
  if nothing came of it, that was it. They just could scrap it and don't worry about
• 50:20
  it. Like, it wasn't you have to guarantee there's something here.
• 50:24
  It's a go see if there's a story. And then we got this really weird thing that I
• 50:29
  can't wait to watch.
• 50:31
  Matt: It's— people have seen it, uh, and they've said it's one of the best
• 50:35
  documentaries I've ever seen. Um, someone said like, I will remember this movie
• 50:39
  until I die. Like, I'm just— I, I just can't wait to see this. I don't—
• 50:44
  Luke: I don't have long to wait. It comes out in October.
• 50:49
  Matt: I just— this is amazing. I don't— I don't know how this happened.
• 50:52
  Why would they do this? I don't understand. It's so strange.
• 50:56
  Luke: Even the thing about it is, is I didn't really have much of an interest in
• 51:00
  this story until I saw this. It's—
• 51:03
  Matt: it— like, I think it is— it's an interesting story, but if you—
• 51:06
  they'd said, oh, there's gonna be a documentary about Theranos, I've been like, I
• 51:11
  don't really care that much. Yeah, but— but Nathan Fielder—
• 51:14
  why Nathan Fielder? Like, of all people? And then, oh, come and live in our house?
• 51:19
  Like, what—
• 51:20
  Luke: what—
• 51:20
  Matt: what is this?
• 51:21
  Luke: And what's this graphic nudity?
• 51:23
  Matt: What's the graphic nudity? Yeah. I know, just that, that original teaser where
• 51:28
  she's like her— because her thing is like, she's got wide-eyed fucking no blinking
• 51:34
  stare thing. And that one where she's like, I'm, I'm not lying, I wouldn't lie to
• 51:40
  you, why would I do that? I have no reason to lie to you.
• 51:44
  And he's like, okay, I gotta watch this.
• 51:47
  Luke: And I'm not big on the documentaries, but yeah, this one got me.
• 51:49
  Actually, even a trailer for this, it actually doesn't look like a documentary.
• 51:53
  It looks like a horror story.
• 51:55
  Matt: Yeah, yeah, that's what I mean. She's fascinating.
• 51:59
  Lock her up. Yes, I think unless, unless we watch this and it's like maybe she's
• 52:07
  not, maybe she's just like misunderstood.
• 52:12
  Luke: I already don't think that's happening.
• 52:15
  Matt: Like, is that what she's hoping will come out of this?
• 52:17
  Is that people will— like, you know, they say people who are like narcissistic or
• 52:22
  psychopathic, they just, they don't— they think, oh, maybe I can convince people
• 52:26
  kind of thing. Is that what this is? Like, does she think—
• 52:30
  Luke: who's that guy who asked for an interview and then got recorded?
• 52:35
  Matt: Oh, oh yeah, yeah, yes, um, The Jinx. Um, what's his name? Yes, Robert Durst.
• 52:42
  Luke: Because that was— yeah, he was asking for—
• 52:45
  Matt: even though anyone had not befriended the people making the documentary about
• 52:48
  the murders that people thought what he was guilty of because he just thought he was
• 52:51
  untouchable.
• 52:52
  Luke: Yep.
• 52:53
  Matt: Yeah.
• 52:53
  Luke: And then just started babbling to himself in the toilet while still being recorded.
• 52:57
  Matt: Yeah, well, this mic was on. Well, they've got you.
• 53:00
  Yeah, literally said— I think he said, well, they know, they know you killed all of them.
• 53:06
  Luke: The thing is, like, that didn't— he didn't need to do that.
• 53:09
  He wasn't asked to. He asked to be part of that.
• 53:13
  Matt: Could have gone on with his life and ignored the fact they were making a TV
• 53:18
  show about it.
• 53:19
  Luke: It was quiet. He wasn't in the news anymore and he didn't help it. Yeah, yep, yeah.
• 53:23
  Matt: I wonder if it is that it's just like they just can't fucking help themselves.
• 53:28
  Yeah, because I just don't understand why you would do this.
• 53:32
  Like, yeah, super interesting.
• 53:35
  Luke: It's even— it's even 3 hours.
• 53:39
  Matt: Yeah, that's the thing. It's not the fact—
• 53:41
  it's not The Theranos thing is not that interesting.
• 53:43
  She's not interesting. It's the the whole thing that's interesting about this
• 53:47
  documentary is why the fuck is this documentary a thing?
• 53:50
  Like, why have you done this? That's what's interesting about it.
• 53:54
  Luke: Yes, and we might get to find out. Yeah.
• 53:59
  Matt: Oh, I'm going to watch the show.
• 54:00
  Luke: I think we're still just going to end up being confused after this.
• 54:03
  Matt: This will be the first documentary in a while that I go to the movies to see.
• 54:06
  Luke: Yep.
• 54:07
  Matt: I will go see this.
• 54:09
  Luke: I'm hoping it is at the movies here because, yeah, need to see it at the
• 54:15
  movies. I don't want to wait.
• 54:18
  Matt: Yeah. Uh, something else you'll be going to the movies to see, presumably at
• 54:23
  some point soon— I forget exactly when— is Star Wars next February.
• 54:28
  Next February you'll be seeing the original, the original unaltered The one that's
• 54:33
  impossible to see.
• 54:35
  Luke: Yes, which doesn't exist. Yeah, it's been destroyed.
• 54:40
  Matt: Found it.
• 54:41
  Luke: Yep, pretty, pretty quickly. Uh, George, I know it's not gonna look as good as
• 54:47
  we're used to now, like, I know that.
• 54:51
  Matt: Sure.
• 54:52
  Luke: But I still think it's going to be a spectacle to see the original.
• 54:56
  Yeah, what started all of this.
• 54:59
  Matt: I think So, I mean, okay, so one of the, one of the things we're talking about
• 55:05
  is George Lucas has been out talking about stuff this week for some reason, um, and
• 55:11
  he said that he's— the changes he made, the special editions were necessary and, uh,
• 55:17
  and justified. And I, I was just gonna say, I think you're right, because I'm like,
• 55:24
  the changes he made don't look good anymore.
• 55:27
  Like, everything he did was kind of based in the '90s when he did this, and so it's
• 55:34
  like he could have just not done it. Like, it doesn't look good anyway, is what I'm
• 55:40
  saying.
• 55:41
  Luke: Like, some things did look good at the time, right?
• 55:46
  Matt: But you're going to be forever chasing the ball, right?
• 55:48
  Luke: Yes. You never—
• 55:50
  Matt: you could have just left it.
• 55:51
  Luke: Like, yes.
• 55:53
  Matt: I feel like he's—
• 55:54
  Luke: he kept changing it. He kept going back again and again.
• 55:59
  Matt: Yes, because everything you do eventually becomes outdated, and you're just
• 56:02
  going to be doing it forever and ever and ever.
• 56:04
  And that's why I think he's wrong about this.
• 56:06
  I think it's— you just need to just move on.
• 56:09
  Luke: Like, I know I've seen the original tape—
• 56:11
  like, not the original theatrical release, but I was watching Star Wars on VHS
• 56:17
  before the special editions came out.
• 56:20
  Matt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen they're in this house somewhere.
• 56:23
  I've got— yeah, without the special editions.
• 56:26
  Luke: Yes. So I don't think it's going to look as bad as in his mind this is going
• 56:30
  to be the worst thing ever. But no, I think it's still going to look amazing to go see.
• 56:35
  Matt: The ones I have, I've got— there's a THX remaster from like maybe the early
• 56:39
  '90s before the special editions. I've those on video and things like that.
• 56:43
  I think that's fine. Or like, you know, they do remasters or re—
• 56:46
  you know, they do like a re— um, a redo for Blu-ray where they go back to the
• 56:51
  original film and that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's fun.
• 56:54
  I think it's the redoing the special effects and all that kind of stuff that's like,
• 56:58
  uh, I think that's the mistake in my opinion.
• 57:01
  Just because, like I said, adding things like the Ewoks blinking and then adding in
• 57:05
  the more CGI creatures and stuff like that—
• 57:08
  no, because it's always going to end up looking shit.
• 57:11
  Luke: But you have to remember, at the time George was saying He, he wanted Tilly.
• 57:16
  He was saying that was the future. Yeah, at the time when he was doing all that CGI,
• 57:22
  he's saying we don't need human actors. Yeah, well, that's what he was gearing up for.
• 57:29
  Matt: He went to do, you know, he did the prequels and with Jar Jar and everything,
• 57:34
  and he proved you can have a CGI character.
• 57:37
  Like, he did have a CGI character in the movie, and, you know, it wasn't Wasn't that good.
• 57:44
  Luke: That movie looks horrible.
• 57:45
  Matt: That's what I mean though, because it's, it's of its time.
• 57:48
  And I think that's, like I said, that's the mistake he's making, is that he thinks
• 57:53
  he's like, oh, I'm gonna update it so it looks perfect.
• 57:57
  It's never gonna look perfect, mate. Just don't worry about it.
• 58:01
  Just stop. It was fine.
• 58:03
  Luke: Yeah, he's what, in this title he's saying your movies always get yanked out
• 58:07
  of your hands for release. But you had so many times to go back.
• 58:11
  Like, yeah, you— and I'm sorry, George, there was a time when no one was saying no
• 58:17
  to you. Yeah, you could have done anything you wanted.
• 58:20
  And so if you had to go like, this is it, this is the final time, um, they would
• 58:25
  have let you do it. But you couldn't say that, you—
• 58:28
  because you can't trust yourself.
• 58:31
  Matt: I just think stuff like Like the Ewoks blinking, I think, is a perfect example
• 58:36
  of something you didn't need to do that. There was no reason to do that.
• 58:40
  It was not necessary. And it doesn't look good.
• 58:44
  Luke: It looks like— mind actually makes me forget that, that he did that.
• 58:49
  No, that they blink. Like, I think in my mind I just always forget that.
• 58:54
  In my mind, my mind just pushes that out because, yeah, it looks so bad and makes no
• 59:01
  sense and didn't need to happen.
• 59:04
  Matt: I think he's— yeah, like, they didn't need to blink. It was fine.
• 59:10
  Luke: Fine.
• 59:11
  Matt: Yeah.
• 59:12
  Luke: And actually making them like now later, it looks weird.
• 59:15
  Matt: Yeah, exactly. Like, it doesn't make it look real the way that he's—
• 59:19
  maybe he thinks it does.
• 59:21
  Luke: Like, it's, uh, it didn't change anything.
• 59:25
  Matt: Yeah. Uh, whatever. Um, he also said this week he was gonna do 3 more Star
• 59:31
  Wars movies, but then he just decided to retire instead.
• 59:36
  And I mean, we kind of already knew that, but, um, yeah.
• 59:41
  Luke: Oh well. But then at some stage I was kind of wishing he sort of maybe—
• 59:45
  I know, the last 3, because Disney destroyed them.
• 59:47
  And I would have, I would have liked to have seen what he was gonna do, but
• 59:52
  Especially because with a lot of this, his hands were all over like the extended
• 59:56
  universe and stuff. So that would have been part of the universe still.
• 1:00:01
  It wasn't going to be like a Disney where, yeah, none of that exists.
• 1:00:05
  Matt: So, and we've heard before, he gave them his treatment and treatments for what
• 1:00:09
  they were going to be, and he came to Disney and Disney were like, nah, we're not
• 1:00:14
  gonna do that.
• 1:00:15
  Luke: But then also, I sometimes say I don't believe him on that because he's—
• 1:00:19
  for years he said he had this all planned out.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah. And then you watch him other times and it's like, no, you didn't.
• 1:00:26
  You came up with that just then on the spot.
• 1:00:29
  And it's hard to believe what he says sometimes, I, I find.
• 1:00:33
  Matt: Yeah, like, you always planned for Anakin to make C-3PO?
• 1:00:36
  I hope that's not true because that's fucking stupid.
• 1:00:40
  Yes, like, it doesn't make any sense.
• 1:00:43
  Luke: Well, even in the making of Return of the Jedi he's saying like, we're trying
• 1:00:47
  to come up with a reason for like Luke to sort of lash out.
• 1:00:50
  And then that's when they came up with the idea that Luke and Leia, this brother and
• 1:00:55
  sister. And it's sort of like, yeah, it was not always—
• 1:00:58
  yeah, it wasn't always the plan. You came up with it then because you had them kiss
• 1:01:03
  in 2 movies and then the 3rd one they're finally related.
• 1:01:07
  Matt: Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  Luke: And books that he had signed off on, like, because he signed off on all like a
• 1:01:11
  lot of the books and stories, especially at the start, like Splinter of the Mind's
• 1:01:15
  Eye. Yeah, Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Luke's checking his sister changing.
• 1:01:19
  Yeah, he's checking her out when she's changing clothes.
• 1:01:22
  Matt: Like, of course, because they weren't siblings.
• 1:01:30
  Luke: They weren't.
• 1:01:31
  Matt: They were like— yeah, yeah, he just, uh, yeah.
• 1:01:39
  Luke: George, just, just don't lie to us. We know.
• 1:01:43
  Matt: Everybody knows. I don't know why he bothers.
• 1:01:47
  So stupid. It's just pointless.
• 1:01:51
  Luke: But yeah, maybe would have liked to have known what he had the treatment for.
• 1:01:55
  Yeah, the next bout.
• 1:01:57
  Matt: That stuff aside, yes, he's— yes, he's full of shit.
• 1:02:00
  He didn't have all this stuff planned out, clearly, because it doesn't make any
• 1:02:04
  sense. Um, but I would like to see— because what, what the prequels have that the
• 1:02:09
  sequels didn't is that he was not afraid to just do something different, like, and
• 1:02:14
  they were interesting and creative in a way that the Disney ones are safe.
• 1:02:18
  Yes, like the prequels are not safe. That's, that's why they're not good in a lot of
• 1:02:23
  ways, is because he had all these ideas and they weren't all good ideas, but he, he
• 1:02:28
  was just like, fuck it, I'm doing it anyway.
• 1:02:31
  Luke: And no one at that stage was telling him no.
• 1:02:33
  Matt: No. And so there's some stuff in the prequels that's really cool that you
• 1:02:36
  wouldn't— you just didn't get in, like, the, you know, the sequels, because they
• 1:02:41
  played it too safe. So I think it would have been cool to see what he did, whether
• 1:02:45
  it would be good or not. I think it would be more interesting.
• 1:02:49
  Luke: That— yes. Yep. But we'll never know now unless he tells us.
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  Matt: I mean, he says a lot. I don't know why he's not just gonna tell us what it
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  was. He says a lot.
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  Luke: Yeah, because he's still talking about it, so you can't really say like, well,
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  Disney said you're not allowed to, because you're out there talking everything else.
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  Matt: You know why? Because he didn't actually do it, Luke.
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  That's why it never actually happened. He didn't write 3.
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  He's just saying that.
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  Luke: So his idea was there was going to be 3 more movies?
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  Matt: Yeah, the— that's the idea. The idea is that there were going to be 3 more
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  movies and then he stopped.
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  Luke: Yes. And so he handed that over to Disney. I'd planned 3 more.
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  Matt: The treatment, it just says, yeah, movie, next one, next one, next one.
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  Luke: Yeah, see, that I would believe.
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  Matt: Yeah, because we've all seen the behind the scenes of The Phantom Menace where
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  he sits down with his yellow notepad and a pencil and his How to Write a Screenplay
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  books. And he, he writes down, uh, a young boy who works in a junkyard, and it's
• 1:03:53
  Anakin. And that's, that's, that is the idea that he had.
• 1:03:58
  Luke: And then they film his first script.
• 1:04:01
  Matt: Yeah. Oh yeah, in the case of the fucking Revenge of the Sith, that bit where
• 1:04:05
  he walks in and they've got the fucking concept art for the plants and they're
• 1:04:10
  building props and stuff like that, and he's like, huh, I better finish the script.
• 1:04:14
  I mean, not that that's uncommon, but like, it didn't need to be like that.
• 1:04:19
  Like, he did that to himself.
• 1:04:21
  Luke: Yes, you gave yourself that deadline.
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  Matt: Yeah, yeah, there are film productions where it ends up like that.
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  That's because the business people are meddling.
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  The whole point is that you have complete control.
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  You could have done anything. You could have gone and written the script and sat on
• 1:04:33
  it until it was ready instead of—
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  Luke: no.
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  Matt: Anyway, he needs the money.
• 1:04:38
  Luke: He doesn't. Well, he sold Star Wars for $4 billion, but he's still worth a
• 1:04:43
  hell of a lot more. That's so much money because he only sold like the smallest part
• 1:04:50
  of Star Wars. He still owns everything else associated with it.
• 1:04:54
  Yeah, yeah, like Lucasfilm. Um, what else?
• 1:04:58
  Matt: There's a new museum, actually.
• 1:04:59
  Luke: New museum? That's huge.
• 1:05:02
  Matt: Yeah, yeah, I gotta go check that out.
• 1:05:04
  Luke: Yeah, you should go to that. Where is it?
• 1:05:06
  Matt: California.
• 1:05:08
  Luke: Yep, you should go. It's close for you.
• 1:05:12
  Matt: It's not that close. It is the other side of the country.
• 1:05:16
  It's more expensive for me to get there than it is to get to fucking England, which
• 1:05:23
  is weird.
• 1:05:24
  Luke: International flights are actually cheaper for us than domestic flights.
• 1:05:28
  Matt: Same, same.
• 1:05:30
  Luke: It makes no sense.
• 1:05:31
  Matt: Dan was over here and I looked at flights to go see him and like I mean, I'm
• 1:05:35
  not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna say what he was doing, where he
• 1:05:39
  was. I mean, like, that's not my business.
• 1:05:42
  He wasn't that far away from me, let's just say that.
• 1:05:45
  Not that far. Yeah, it was insanely expensive.
• 1:05:48
  Luke: Yep.
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  Matt: I, I looked up flights, and just for funsies, I also looked up flights to
• 1:05:54
  fucking Cancun, and it was like a very minor percentage of the price to get to Cancun.
• 1:06:00
  Luke: Yeah, well, I'm gonna do 2 flights here. I'm gonna get a flight from me to
• 1:06:04
  Brisbane And then a flight from me to Vietnam.
• 1:06:08
  Matt: I'm gonna do— how much would it be for me to get to LA?
• 1:06:12
  Okay, Providence to LA. That's actually quite reasonable now that I'm looking at it.
• 1:06:20
  Museum after all, it's $300.
• 1:06:23
  Luke: Oh, that's not too bad.
• 1:06:24
  Matt: No, that's not too bad. I guess maybe I lied. I George Lucas'd.
• 1:06:30
  Luke: Brisbane. Uh, yeah, I'll go on the 10th of October.
• 1:06:38
  Matt: How is that feasible? Where am I flying out of if I do that?
• 1:06:44
  From Providence Airport. Fuck, I'm going to LA.
• 1:06:49
  All right, that's not so bad.
• 1:06:52
  Luke: And then I'm gonna go from Canberra George Lucas Museum.
• 1:07:01
  Matt: The Lucas Museum of Narrative Art. Oh my God, look at this museum.
• 1:07:05
  Look at this fucking building.
• 1:07:07
  Luke: The building is beautiful just on its own.
• 1:07:09
  Matt: Jesus Christ, it looks like something from the Star Wars prequels.
• 1:07:16
  It's ridiculous. Like, I'm gonna put this in the, uh, in the notes so people can
• 1:07:25
  see, but like, it's just Ridiculous. Put it in under here with this museum.
• 1:07:33
  Oh, so cool. And then where is this? Is this in, uh, LA?
• 1:07:39
  It might actually not be because he's not—
• 1:07:44
  he's in San Francisco more. Where is it? Where is it?
• 1:07:50
  Luke: All right, my example hasn't gone well either.
• 1:07:54
  Matt: Oh really? No, it's in Los Angeles.
• 1:08:00
  Luke: Okay, why are you giving me— I want the— so yeah, I can—
• 1:08:06
  why is Air Canada flying me?
• 1:08:09
  Matt: Oh, that's— I've flown to Australia from Air Canada from here.
• 1:08:11
  Luke: No, but this is for me to go to Brisbane.
• 1:08:15
  Matt: Okay, that's weird.
• 1:08:16
  Luke: Uh, $300 for me to go from Canberra to Brisbane.
• 1:08:19
  Matt: Okay.
• 1:08:21
  Luke: Or for me to go to Hanoi— so that's like a 2-hour flight to Brisbane.
• 1:08:28
  Yeah, yeah. Or for me to go to Hanoi, which is like a 10-hour flight, is $790.
• 1:08:36
  Matt: Okay, so all right, we've proved ourselves sort of right.
• 1:08:41
  Luke: Yeah, something's changed recently. Yeah, it used to be a lot more expensive
• 1:08:49
  to fly domestic and a lot cheaper to fly international.
• 1:08:55
  Matt: Well, I guess I'm gonna go to the Lucas Museum.
• 1:08:58
  Luke: Yeah, I guess. Well, I'm not going to Brisbane, I'm going to Melbourne.
• 1:09:03
  Matt: That's true. Uh, somewhere else we're going.
• 1:09:07
  Luke: The after party.
• 1:09:09
  Matt: What's the after party? Explain.
• 1:09:13
  Luke: We're gonna go talk for another 10, 15, 20, 30 minutes, an hour, depends on
• 1:09:17
  how we're feeling. Where— yeah, we're just gonna—
• 1:09:20
  but that one's the one you don't get for free.
• 1:09:23
  That one you've got to pay for.
• 1:09:25
  Matt: Yeah, so you're gonna go to—
• 1:09:26
  Luke: you go to patreon.com/multiplenerdgasm. First, there's $1 a month, you get the
• 1:09:31
  show early. For $5 a month, you get the after party, and you can give us more.
• 1:09:37
  Not opposed to that. Yeah, but yeah, anything, go to our Discord.
• 1:09:41
  I forgot, I was talking to— I was talking to—
• 1:09:44
  I was on the Discord, I was making fun of you.
• 1:09:48
  You promised something to our listener that you have to give them now.
• 1:09:53
  Matt: Wait, what have I done?
• 1:09:54
  Luke: Your Read or Die app.
• 1:09:58
  Matt: Oh, who said— who asked for that?
• 1:10:00
  Luke: Darcy's asked for it.
• 1:10:01
  Matt: Oh, I'll do it. Yeah, yeah, I'm logging into Discord now.
• 1:10:05
  Uh, I'll do that and, uh, we'll see you in the after party.
• 1:10:10
  Luke: See you soon.
• 1:10:10
  Matt: If you want to demand access to the things I make, go to patreon.com for free.
• 1:10:15
  You can get access to Discord and you can say, send me a link to Read or Die.
• 1:10:20
  Luke: All right, bye everyone. Bye. That's all for this week.
• 1:10:24
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• 1:10:30
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