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Countess Luann, Love Hotel, Stagecoach and Divorce · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 1: Listen in, listen up.
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  Speaker 2: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop
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  Speaker 1: from La Quinta, California. I just came from three days
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  Speaker 1: of stagecoach and let me tell you, it was so fun.
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  Speaker 1: The weather was pretty nice, except at night it got
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  Speaker 1: very cold and one night I was wearing shorts because
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  Speaker 1: I had to give up the cowboy boots and I
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  Speaker 1: thought I better wear shorts to make these ugly black
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  Speaker 1: tennis shoes work because the night before I was wearing
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  Speaker 1: cowboy boots. And when I came home, I felt like
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  Speaker 1: I was Natalia Grace walking around the house. Like I
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  Speaker 1: was like, hi, daddy, hold me. I can't walk. Like
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  Speaker 1: it was Natalia Grace, by the way, it's called All
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  Speaker 1: American Family. It's on Hulu. It's so fricking good. Ellen Pompeo,
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  Speaker 1: the guy, what's his name? Dunlap plays the dad. If
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  Speaker 1: you were obsessed with the documentary and all the times
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  Speaker 1: I talked about it, this is about the little Ukrainian
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  Speaker 1: orphan girl and the family adopted her, thought that she
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  Speaker 1: was older and And at the beginning, it's the mom's
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  Speaker 1: perspective where she's like, who is this like demon child
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  Speaker 1: trying to kill my family who has her period? And
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  Speaker 1: then another part is her with her, because she has
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  Speaker 1: this dwarfism and she has this, she needed operations that
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  Speaker 1: her feet were hurting so much that she was taking
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  Speaker 1: off these socks that were bloody and hiding them. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what the mom thought was her period. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: you watch it. We still don't really know her age.
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  Speaker 1: We still don't know her. It's like, but it's really juicy.
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  Speaker 1: But I felt like that after doing two days of
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  Speaker 1: cowboy boots. So I was so cold and the merch
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  Speaker 1: line was so long and I knew they'd be out
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  Speaker 1: of sweatpants because it was so cold. And I just
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  Speaker 1: was like going to get a drink because we had
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  Speaker 1: artists pass. So that's a little bit nicer bathrooms, less
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  Speaker 1: people in line to get drinks and food. And that's
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  Speaker 1: where I ran into Kristen Cavallari. I ran into Sheena
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  Speaker 1: and Brock. Who else did I see? Tracy Tudor and
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  Speaker 1: the famous makeup artist Chris Dillon, who had the issue
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  Speaker 1: with Dorit not paying him or whatever that alleged story was.
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  Speaker 1: They're all good now. And so that was kind of
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  Speaker 1: fun running into them. Dorit filed for divorce after PK
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  Speaker 1: was seen making out outside of Cipriani in Los Angeles
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  Speaker 1: with this blonde girl who was on Survivor five years ago.
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  Speaker 1: And who allegedly is a sommelier or something. That's what
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  Speaker 1: I heard. I don't know if it's true. I just
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  Speaker 1: think it's interesting if that's her career. But it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: really matter if your partner or your boyfriend doesn't drink
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  Speaker 1: and you are in the liquor business. But just thought
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  Speaker 1: that it was interesting. And so Dorit has filed. She
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  Speaker 1: was photographed the next day dropping her kids off at
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  Speaker 1: dance class. PK and her were at a baseball game
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  Speaker 1: in very far apart. I guess watching their son play baseball.
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  Speaker 1: It's going to be juicy. Kyle was at stagecoach. However,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't run into her. I don't know if she
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  Speaker 1: was with Morgan Wade or not, but that will be fun.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe Morgan will play next year. There's all these different stages. However,
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  Speaker 1: the artist passes only gets you into the main stage
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  Speaker 1: up close where you can stand up and dance, and
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  Speaker 1: it's not crowded, and it really is great. But your
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  Speaker 1: eyes are still kind of drawn to the screen no
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  Speaker 1: matter how close you are. So if you're thinking about
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  Speaker 1: going to stagecoach, I personally, you know, I think you
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  Speaker 1: can have a lot of fun in just the general
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  Speaker 1: and have your chair and your blanket and just like
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  Speaker 1: enjoy the beauty or there's a lot of walking. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why I was kind of envious of the campers.
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  Speaker 1: If you've got a nice RV, I think that's also
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  Speaker 1: like a really good way to go because you're close
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  Speaker 1: and you want to like take a nap because sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you want to enjoy the day, but then you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: the main stage, the headliner doesn't come till 10 and
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  Speaker 1: I've been here now. since four on my feet or
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  Speaker 1: you're wearing the, or maybe you don't wear cowboy boots
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  Speaker 1: for part of it and change it for later. Like it's,
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  Speaker 1: but the music was great. Jelly roll was great. Goo
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  Speaker 1: Goo Dolls, really fun. They have like, you know, not
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  Speaker 1: all necessarily country people, Lana Del Rey. So we had
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  Speaker 1: a real fun week and Brandy and Julie came and
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  Speaker 1: we had such a fun brunch yesterday. And then Shannon
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  Speaker 1: and I did it again yesterday. So I was pretty tired,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm good.
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  Speaker 1: And there's this crazy interview with Bill Belichick, okay? And
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  Speaker 1: the 24-year-old Jordan, the girlfriend. And he's doing an interview with...
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  Speaker 1: And he has, like, this weird T-shirt on with, like,
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  Speaker 1: holes on it. But I think she was trying to
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  Speaker 1: hip him up and gave him that shirt. You know
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  Speaker 1: how people wear, like, shirts, but they have, like, curated holes?
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  Speaker 1: Other people think he's, like, just an old man that's wearing, like,
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  Speaker 1: an old shirt with holes in it. But anyway, he's
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  Speaker 1: doing the interview, and Jordan, the 24-year-old former cheerleader that
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  Speaker 1: he's been dating for, like, six months, is, like, chiming
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  Speaker 1: in and getting up and, like, talking to him in
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  Speaker 1: between interviews. And maybe she doesn't know that this stuff
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  Speaker 1: isn't going to be cut out. Maybe she does. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: she's like a genius. And a lot of people are
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  Speaker 1: thinking it looks a little elder abuse-ish. And she, they said, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: how did you meet? And she's like, oh, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about how we met. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, so I look it up and it says
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  Speaker 1: on Wikipedia, they met on a flight. That's a story
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  Speaker 1: they're giving. Maybe that isn't the true story. And they
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  Speaker 1: know in this day and age, someone's going to be
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  Speaker 1: able to find it out. Maybe someone introduced them that
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  Speaker 1: who knows. Okay. But you know, he does have three kids.
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  Speaker 1: His daughter's 41 and his sons are 38 and 36
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  Speaker 1: and she is 24. And I mean, it's a 50
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  Speaker 1: year age difference and it's pretty fascinating, but clearly she's
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  Speaker 1: running the show. Now she's on all the emails. But
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  Speaker 1: I also just feel like when you're that old as
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  Speaker 1: a man, whether your girlfriend is 24 or 74 or
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  Speaker 1: A lot of men just succumb to the woman. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what happens, too, sometimes with, like, stepmoms where they're like,
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't, Casey Kasem's daughter, like, couldn't see him anymore
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  Speaker 1: because the dad was just so, like, beaten by just
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  Speaker 1: this awful woman that they're just like, whatever, just do it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry you're my kid, but I can't, like, fight
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  Speaker 1: with this woman. So if I was the children, the
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  Speaker 1: adult children, I'd be concerned. Watch this interview or at
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  Speaker 1: least the clips of it. Our girl Jojo Siwa. very
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  Speaker 1: proud gay. Uh, she does a thing called gay pop.
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  Speaker 1: She's an icon and she had several girlfriends. She's always like, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: maybe one of my exes, like talking about her exes.
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  Speaker 1: And she was supposedly engaged to, um, this girl who
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  Speaker 1: goes by they, them. Anyway, she got out of the
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  Speaker 1: big brother house, UK version. We already saw that, um,
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  Speaker 1: Mickey Rourke, the old man with the scary face, who's
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  Speaker 1: the actor, he got kicked out and he had said
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  Speaker 1: to her, you're a lesbian. Well, for, you know, after
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  Speaker 1: four days with me, you won't anymore. Well, guess what?
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  Speaker 1: She says, she's not a lesbian anymore. He got kicked out,
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  Speaker 1: but then she started flirting with this guy and they
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  Speaker 1: became so close and big brother, you watch everything. His name's, um,
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  Speaker 1: Chris Higg, Chris Hughes from love Island. And, um, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't know who he was when I was watching the clips.
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  Speaker 1: And at first I thought he was gay too. And
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  Speaker 1: they were just like forming a lovely bond. But I
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  Speaker 1: guess if he was on Love Island, he's straight. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: now she says I'm not a lesbian, but I think
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  Speaker 1: she's still queer. I don't know. But someone said, Heather,
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  Speaker 1: you had said this might be the first generation where
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  Speaker 1: people's first relationships romantically might be same sex. And then
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  Speaker 1: they actually realized maybe they aren't really same. that for
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  Speaker 1: a lifetime. I don't know, or they're fluid or whatever. Um,
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  Speaker 1: in my day, everybody that was gay, like still went
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  Speaker 1: to a prom with the opposite sex and, and we
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  Speaker 1: knew it, but we were like, at least he's fun
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  Speaker 1: and good time to talk to now, who knows, whatever. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so that was juicy. Kim Kardashian's trial for the older
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  Speaker 1: men that robbed her at gunpoint in France of her jewelry.
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  Speaker 1: When she was married to Kanye, they took the diamond
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  Speaker 1: that she got from Kanye and like $ 10 million worth
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  Speaker 1: of other jewels. That's when she was by herself. Her
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  Speaker 1: bodyguard had gone with her two sisters to the nightclub
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  Speaker 1: and she was alone in the hotel room. Somehow they
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  Speaker 1: got in and they were all like older. Well, they're
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  Speaker 1: really old now because this was nine years ago. And
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  Speaker 1: I was like, why did this take so long? And
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  Speaker 1: there was some reports that it was her schedule. I
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  Speaker 1: really don't know. I don't know how this would affect
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  Speaker 1: the France trial system, but they have them now. And
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  Speaker 1: also one of them just died, but there's like nine
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  Speaker 1: of them. And one of them just died yesterday, but
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  Speaker 1: the trial is starting and she is set to come
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  Speaker 1: and testify. So that is going to be, you know,
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  Speaker 1: still very, I'm sure, chilling and dramatic, especially because at
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  Speaker 1: the time she was, when she was with Kanye, someone,
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  Speaker 1: you know, told him and he left the concert and
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  Speaker 1: it felt very protective and quite lovely that he was
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  Speaker 1: so upset and got right over to Paris and now
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  Speaker 1: of course he's lost his mind in my opinion he
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  Speaker 1: has some weird group that's in a warehouse near the
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  Speaker 1: Larchmont area of Los Angeles and like doing weird military
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  Speaker 1: singing and like screaming and there's like Nazi stuff and
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  Speaker 1: it's just horrible. He also tweeted something about a song
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  Speaker 1: that has to do with the fact that he as
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  Speaker 1: a kid was giving his cousin oral. It's like so
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  Speaker 1: dark and insane. And so this is probably not only
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  Speaker 1: going to bring up a lot of emotions, but also
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  Speaker 1: The man that I'm sure she doesn't even recognize today
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  Speaker 1: seemed to appear quite lovely at the time that she
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  Speaker 1: needed him most. So that's like a crazy thing. Virginia Guffrey,
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  Speaker 1: who was the person that was the face of the
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  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein saga. She was trafficked when she was young
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  Speaker 1: by Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and She is the one
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  Speaker 1: who said that she was trafficked to Prince Andrew and
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  Speaker 1: told that story and had the photo of them from
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  Speaker 1: the nightclub. After the nightclub, when they were together, before
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  Speaker 1: the thing happened, he said on BBC, that's not me.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he said that that photo was doctored because
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  Speaker 1: I don't sweat like that. And he had like sweaty armpits.
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  Speaker 1: I have some disease that causes me not to sweat.
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  Speaker 1: It's so awful. And she was so brave in sharing
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  Speaker 1: everything that she did over the years. She has passed.
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  Speaker 1: They are saying it was suicide. And now her dad,
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  Speaker 1: according to TMZ, wants the suicide to look into it,
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  Speaker 1: wants to look into it and investigate it. What's really
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  Speaker 1: weird is prior to this, she was with her husband
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  Speaker 1: for over 20 something years. They had three kids. And
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  Speaker 1: they were going through a divorce, and there was a
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  Speaker 1: big custody battle. There was a restraining order that I
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  Speaker 1: guess she violated, and then there was talk of him
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  Speaker 1: trying to get custody of the kids. And then while
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  Speaker 1: she was going through that, she got hit by a
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  Speaker 1: bus or something, and then she came out and said,
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  Speaker 1: the doctors say I have four days to live. And
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  Speaker 1: then she supposedly ended her life. All very weird, but
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  Speaker 1: also makes sense that her life was not in a
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  Speaker 1: good place. And she also said that the husband that
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  Speaker 1: she's divorcing was also abusive towards her during their marriage.
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  Speaker 1: But of course, because she was the whistleblower of the
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  Speaker 1: Epstein thing, basically, her testimony was so valuable throughout the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing. And there's so many layers to it that
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  Speaker 1: people are like, did she really? But I don't know
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  Speaker 1: how she did it. I looked it up. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm asking. They have not released that, how she died
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  Speaker 1: or how they came to the conclusion that it was self-inflicted.
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  Speaker 1: So that I don't know, but that was news. And
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  Speaker 1: then Travis Kelsey, he supposedly stopped following Ryan Reynolds. And people,
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  Speaker 1: this is through TMZ, and people are assuming it's because...
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  Speaker 1: he's pissed or Taylor's pissed that by being her friend
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  Speaker 1: and being talked as one of the two dragons that
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  Speaker 1: she is going to be deposed in the Justin Baldoni lawsuit.
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  Speaker 1: And so, you know, screw you. Why'd you get me
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  Speaker 1: involved in this? Well, you're her friend. I mean, you're
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  Speaker 1: her friend and you were there. And I mean, I guess, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be mad that she filed the lawsuit, but like, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So very, um, all those things are, happening. And I
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  Speaker 1: just watched Love Hotel, which I think is really good.
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  Speaker 1: I just saw it on Peacock. I think it's on
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  Speaker 1: Bravo and Peacock with Shannon Bedore, Ashley and Giselle from
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  Speaker 1: Potomac and Countess Luann. And it's a beautiful setting. I've
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  Speaker 1: It's good. Like, it's really good. And she spills some
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  Speaker 1: scoop about that, but so much more and such juicy
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  Speaker 1: stories that I've never heard, along with the fun that
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  Speaker 1: she has of doing her cabaret and having many men.
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  Speaker 1: And I think you're going to really love the interview.
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  Speaker 1: So here is Countess Luann once again on Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. You guys are in
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  Speaker 1: for a treat because I have a return favorite. not
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  Speaker 1: just of Juicy Scoop, but of the world as international
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  Speaker 1: cabaret star, actress, and of course, real housewife of New York,
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  Speaker 1: Countess Lou Anne. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks, Heather. Always good to see you, darling. Looking fabulous
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  Speaker 2: with those legs for days.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I had to get cute for you. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not just going to wear my leggings and my
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  Speaker 1: sweats because I do. You'd be coming and you are.
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  Speaker 1: You're in a fabulous jumpsuit.
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  Speaker 2: I know. And I just gave you the name.
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  Speaker 1: You said it was Rami?
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  Speaker 2: Rami Brooke.
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  Speaker 1: Rami Brooke.
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  Speaker 2: Rami Brooke. I love this jumpsuit. I just got it yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: I love it because it has a little sparkle, but
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  Speaker 1: it's daytime. And it's so flattering.
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  Speaker 2: Daytime chic.
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  Speaker 1: And because in your shows, when you do your cabaret,
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  Speaker 1: a big part of it are the outfits. And you
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  Speaker 1: change several times. And that's always really fun. Are you
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  Speaker 1: still wearing Giovanni?
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  Speaker 2: I'm still wearing Giovanni. And you know, people don't understand
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  Speaker 2: about my shows is that each show is different. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm not doing the same show. It's an all new show. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and yes, I'm still wearing Giovanni and, and different dresses
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  Speaker 2: of course, and different outfits because you know, how we
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  Speaker 2: do the cabaret is I pick a song that I
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  Speaker 2: love and then I go, okay, now how am I
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  Speaker 2: going to get, which I know my fans love too.
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  Speaker 2: Cause it's like a big sing along as you know,
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  Speaker 2: cause you've been to the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then I go, OK, well, how am I going
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  Speaker 2: to get into this song with a story? So I
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  Speaker 2: work that way.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then I get the story and then I have
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  Speaker 2: to pick the perfect Giovanni dress that works with that.
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  Speaker 2: Like I do Tina Turner. What's love got to do?
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  Speaker 2: I'm not doing that on this tour. I did it
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  Speaker 2: on Mary F. Kale. But for as example, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I have to pick a dress that is short, fringes
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  Speaker 2: and shows your legs for days.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So that's how I pick my my outfits for the show.
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  Speaker 1: It's so great. And you're here this Friday at the Wiltern,
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  Speaker 1: which you've done now. Is this like the fourth time
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  Speaker 1: you've been at the Wiltern?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I played the Wiltern like three or four times now
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  Speaker 2: and it's a big theater, you know, 2,500 seats. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I remember when Andy did his anniversary show there, right.
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  Speaker 2: For Bravo. I came out singing money anyway. So now
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  Speaker 2: I'm headlining the Wiltern, which is where Madonna plays, which is,
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  Speaker 2: it's just incredible for me. And, um, And I love
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  Speaker 2: the venue. We're going to do an after party, of course,
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  Speaker 2: for my special guest because I've got a lot of
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  Speaker 2: Bravo Liberties coming. Yes. So it's going to be fun.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to see you there too, aren't I?
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: I know you love to come.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So now let's get into– so you have your tours.
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  Speaker 1: You're still after L.A. You've got a lot of other places.
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  Speaker 1: You go back to the East Coast in Maine.
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  Speaker 2: New York, Alexandria, Boston.
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  Speaker 5: Philly.
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  Speaker 1: So, but you, what I really want to talk to
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  Speaker 1: you about is the show, the new show.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, the Love Hotel.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, wait, before we talk about Love Hotel. Yes. I
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: want to talk about this acting that you recently did
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: in the Murdoch Mysteries, which is like, what era is this?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: It's the 1920s. It's like Downton Abbey, really, for the Canadians.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: But it's indicated worldwide. So it's very popular in like
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: London and overseas.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Um, and it was incredible to play this character. I
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: play the mayor's wife and the mayor is a cheat
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: and lying bastard. That's how they got me.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: They're like, let's get the countess.
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: So, um, so I play his wife and I'm also
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: an entertainer. So I'm traveling all the time because I'm
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: entertaining stages across the universe and he's the mayor. And, um,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: so when we get to see each other, it's tumultuous
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: because I know he's having affairs and I don't care
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: because I'm a dynamic diva who's, you know, entertaining audiences
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: around the world. So it's kind of funny.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: It's a timeless story.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Right? And it relates to my story.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: So I love this character that I get to play.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: And I just hope they're going to keep the mayor
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: along for a while so I can keep going back.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: So how did this work? Was it just your agent
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: called and they were like, we have an offer? Do
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you have to audition?
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they reached out to me. That's how I got
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Law & Order. You know, when I did Law &
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Order years ago with Marcia Hegarty, I was filming for Housewives.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: And I got a call that the casting director of, of, um,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: of Law and Order, uh, said, I, you know, they
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: tried to cast this. So I played this character, which
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: is the, the, um, the artist, uh, had, or his muse, right?
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: So I play the muse of an artist and very
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: wealthy who, um, who's obsessed with him.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: But he's a murderer. Um, and so, you know, I'm, I'm,
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I get a call that they can't find this kind
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: of person through casting. They haven't been able to find
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: this elevated muse who, you know, and so I got
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a call. The talent agent calls me and goes, we
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: couldn't find anybody. She's a fan of the show. So
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: she's a fan of the house. We couldn't find anybody.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Bring me the Countess. I want the Countess. That's who
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: needs to play that part. And that's how I did it.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I got it. I mean, literally, they called me, and
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: I was on the set of Law & Order two
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: days later.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: And that really is fun. And I love seeing that
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: kind of a crossover, and it's so brilliant. Because, yeah,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: if you're casting a housewife type, Why not try to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: get a housewife that can actually do it?
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Well, it really wasn't a housewife. It was really luxury.
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Somebody who is, you know, like, right? When you think
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: of the Countess, where you think of luxury and wealth
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: and aristocracy, right?
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: So that's really what she was going for, right?
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And she couldn't quite find this type. So that's why
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I got the call, which is incredible. I mean, to
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: play a part next to Mariska Haggerty, I mean... That
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: is SAG-AFTRA.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: That was, you finally got your SAG-AFTRA point. That is,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I earned my, yeah.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: And it was not easy, let me tell you. It
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: was scary. I was in a trailer all day because
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: they work, you know. She works so hard, you know,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Mariska Hegarty and. you know, she asked me, what's it
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: like doing reality? I said, I love it. Cause I say,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: don't come at 10, come at 11. You know, she's,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: she's on set all day. She works her ass off.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: And I admire her for that. It's very hard.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: People don't realize that. That's why, and I think certain
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: actors go on to something else like a Gwyneth Paltrow
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: with goop or whatever. And people are like, don't you think,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I wonder if she misses acting when she won an Oscar.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, No, it is really, really hard. I mean,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: there's the fun of it and all of that, but
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the actual hours. And then if you're the producer or
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: the director as well, you're carrying all those hats and
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, it's a lot of stress.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: Oh, no.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I was stressed out because, you know, they've got to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: get the blood right, like on the pavement. You know
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: So you're waiting for them to get the shot, et cetera.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: So I was there all day. And by the time
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: my part came along, it was like 6 p.m. I
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: was exhausted.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So they shot it in New York, though, right?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they shot it in New York.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So you're just sitting in a trailer.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at the Piers. You know, they shoot at the Piers.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So I was in a trailer all day. And then,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm stressing about my lines. I remember
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: my lines. And then it's like six o'clock and I'm
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: wiped out already, right?
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: But, you know, I'm so glad I got the opportunity
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: to do it and to be on a show like
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: that is huge, but it is a lot of work.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Yes.
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• 22:36
  Speaker 5: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: filed against me.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: what would you do if it was given back?
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: started crying. Everybody in life encounters hardships.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: What defines them is not those hard moments that they
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: go through.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: It's about what happens next. I decided to risk it all.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I realized how valuable every day was.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: You're worth the work.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, so now we have the Love Hotel that Bravo
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: is doing, which is a beautiful Mexico setting that you
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: guys went to last summer, right?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, last September, to be exact.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: How hot was it there?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: It was warm. It was really warm in September in Cabo.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: It's quite warm, but it was beautiful. I mean, the
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: hotel was great. You know, it's so... Now, were there
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: other people at the hotel? It's so romantic, really, Cabo.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Were there other people at the hotel while you were filming?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know Cabo at all. I go to, like, Tulum.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: I go to Mexico, you know, near... The East Coast.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: The East Coast, Mexico. Gulf of Mexico. And so this,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I've never been to, to Cabo. And it's very dramatic.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: The ocean is, like, crashing on the rocks, you know? It's, like,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: very romantic and sexy.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: We love Cabo. Because for us, it's two and a
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: half hour flight.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Right, it's nothing.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: And not a fart, like... Nicest hotels are not far
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: from the– so you could do like a three-day weekend
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: and still feel like you've got to get away.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: But wait, I'm curious. Were there other people there? Oh,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I know what hotel this is.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: It's the Los Velas?
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Los Velas?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so I went to the, and this is
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: the boutique one.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: There's two.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I went to the one that.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Has the spa. And that grand entrance, you walk in.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And the kids can come, and we had the best time.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: But then you walk a little, and this is the
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: all-adult one.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Grande Veles is called Grande Veles.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: And then this is, so now, did the... Did they–
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: were other people there while you were filming or no?
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: There was– in the one that you know, there were
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: people there. This hotel, the second one, was really just
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: for us for filming.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great. Okay.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had to because we need the lobby. We
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: need the, you know, the bar area. We need the beach. So,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: So I want to know a little bit, like, you
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: get the call and did you know when they– how
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: did they present it to you? First, let's start with
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: how they presented. Would you be willing to do this
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: other new show? Right.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: So, well, they called me and they said, we have
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: a show for you, which is a dating show. And
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: so we're going to find you guys. I said, well,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: good luck with that. I haven't found one in seven years.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Good luck. Anyway, so we're going to, of course, we're
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: going to send you away for three weeks. We're going
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: to pay you, obviously. And we're going to find you guys.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, baby.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: I'm in. I'm in. So, you know. That's how it
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: was presented to me, basically.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: At that time, did they say?
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Who was coming?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The other women that were thinking of?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't know who was coming because I guess they
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: weren't sure who was actually coming.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: So they just wanted to make sure that you were committed.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Make sure that I was committed to go.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And then when did you hear about the other girls,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: which is Shannon Bedore, Giselle, and Ashley from Potomac? Giselle
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: and Ashley from Potomac.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: You know, I got to say probably not too long
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: after that, maybe a couple months. Because it took time
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: for me to, you know, when is it going to happen?
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I'm on tour with my cabaret. So, right. So I
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: have very limited windows, right, where I'm not booked already
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: doing shows. So September just worked for me. And so
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: that's what they nailed down. I think I got a
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: call probably in the spring for a September date.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: And then when you heard who the cast was, did
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: you have any?
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is a strange cast, right?
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, meaning that it's kind of all over the place.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: It's not like you guys came from one cast. Like,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I know that some of the cast, you guys do
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: become friends because, you know, you've been to these, you've
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: done the Mohegan Sons together or like, you know, the
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Bravo cons.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: How well did you know that?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: You know, I know Giselle because we did Project Runway
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: together at one point.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: But that was just like a one.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: It was a one off. So I don't know her
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: well from that, but I don't. I didn't know any
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: of them well, in fact. Shannon Bedore I know better
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: than the other girls, you know, than the Potomac girls.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: But so I was surprised at the cast because I
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: was like, but at the same time, I'm like, this
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: is genius because we would not go after the same guys.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Right. I think that was probably the plan. That's the plan.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: It's like, we're not going to go after the same guys. Like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: for example, Ashley, she's 38 or 37. So she possibly
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: could have more kids if she wanted to.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: With another man.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: We're past that point.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: The three of us, right? Giselle, she's going to go
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: after a different guy than I would go after.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: And Shannon definitely is going to go after a different
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: guy than me because.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Now, why do you feel like you guys wouldn't go
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: for the same type?
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Well, I just think we're so different. Do you know
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: what I mean? And different in personalities, different looks, et cetera.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: I just... I wouldn't imagine that Shannon would be interested
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: in the same guy, which came true. Because we're not
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: interested in the same guy on the show.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: And what is your, like... You know, you've dated all
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: different types from the count to Jacques, Jacques, who is
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: less like funny, younger.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Tom. We won't talk. It's not about Tom.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Tom, which, you know.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: That was a blip on my screen, really. I mean,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you know, we only stayed married seven months. But anyway,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: my type, tall, handsome, successful, funny.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: What's your age range?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Kind. Kind. Kind is big. Classy.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: Rich.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, wealthy. That can keep up with me. Do
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: And sexy. I like European men. European men are generally sexier.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: They're not so, I don't know. It's like in Europe.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: If the president of France has an affair, nobody gives
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: a shit.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: In America, you have an affair, you're done.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Well, the president of France, that's a juicy story.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Let's not talk about Monica Lewinsky.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Or the ass. But okay. So when, what is your age?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Do you have a limit on either end of the.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Age range for you? Listen, I like age appropriate. And
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I always say, you know, I'm not going to date
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: a 20-year-old because I have a son who's 28. Right?
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: But that kind of fell to the side when I
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: met Joe Bradley.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Who's Joe Bradley?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: You don't know Joe Bradley from Southern Charm?
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: Oh, he's hot.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Yes. So we did a show for Andy, Watch What
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Happens Live, and there was like this instant connection. We
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: were like flirting from the get-go. And I just love
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: him because, you know, boys from the South have good manners.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Mothers have raised them well.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: They know how to dress.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I just went to the masters.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: They know how to open the door. They know how
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: to treat a woman. You know what I mean? Very
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: mature for his age. But anyway, we hung out. It's
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: like no big story there. But so generally I date
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: age appropriate.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Wait, you said you hung out.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: We hung out.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Did you kiss or anything?
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I can't tell. I don't kiss and tell.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going to leave it to your imagination.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Show you a picture after he's cute.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Adorable guy.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: So, but normally you like someone more.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Age appropriate. And, you know, and I love this about
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: the Love Hotel is, you know, they brought guys around,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: which I was in shock. When I saw the guys
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: first walk out on the first episode, I was like, wow,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: they really did their homework. You know, like there were
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: some silver foxes, like really good looking dudes. I was like, wow,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: this is going to be fun.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And did you find, how did they find them?
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: You know, I think through various places. I think through
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: dating apps. I think through Instagram. And yeah, dating apps, Instagram.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: They put together a great group of guys from the get-go.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: So I was like, this is going to be fun.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Did you get a word? Did you hear from Patty Stanger?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Was she like?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: You did?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, I did. She said, I'm available. I said, I know.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Wait, to be one of the people or to like
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: help facilitate?
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Yes to help facilitate like i like i need help
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: finding a guy but i love her for offering yeah why.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Not i mean it's up her alley obviously totally but
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: yeah okay so um here you are yeah.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I mean out of all the outfits i had fabulous
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: clothes they picked the most casual look of the whole But.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe that's why they wanted to, like, differentiate, like, because
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: you are, like, the athletic one.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: I'm casual, though. That's true.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: But also, clearly, like, you were always, can I just
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: go on a swim on the beach? Can I just
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: dive into the water? Like, Shanna Badour is famous for, like,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: swimming in her Spanx.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: And, like, literally getting in a pair of, like, falling
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: in a pool. Right. So she's not going to be
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the one that's like, let's go scuba diving at 6 a.m.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: That's you.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: So I kind of like that. And then we have Giselle.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: She looks great there.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: And how did you guys get along?
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: You know, I like her a lot because she's very elegant, right?
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: She's very kind of guarded, right? But she is a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: good time.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: She's elevated to me. You know what I mean? She's classy.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I like her. I did a live show with she
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: and Robin years ago when I was doing a live
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: Juicy Scoop in D.C. And she was great.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: She is great.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: She's great.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I like her.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: She's fun.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: She's elegant. And that face.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: Gorgeous.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: You just can't stop looking at that face.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Her eyes are just mesmerizing.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: She's gorgeous.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: But she definitely has not been lucky at love in
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: the seasons of Potomac that I've watched.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: There's been a couple where I'm like, between you and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: me is this even like a real thing whatever you
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: know um you probably have seen that over the years
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: where maybe someone is has a guy now the audience
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: is so like sophisticated they're like is this girl really
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: dating this guy or is she like right just bringing
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: him around you bring my so i have something to
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: discuss or whatever right but not you.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: No not me i um you know listen we're doing
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: a reality show um i'm guarded about certain things like
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: my children and yeah You know, when I was married
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: to the Count, I was guarding that because it was
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: on rocky waters.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: When you started the show?
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: When I started the housewives, my marriage was already kind
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: of rocky.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: You didn't know if it was going to work?
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: No, and I think he was thrilled because, like, oh, good,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: she has something to do.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Which is exactly what happened with Camille Grammer and Kelsey.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And that always was so fascinating because I did
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: an episode of Frasier.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, you did?
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, that's cool. And he was on a speed
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: dating and I was like this annoying girl. I was
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: a guest star. And after that, I got called in
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: to do producers. And Camille, she was like a producer
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: of like a girl's sitcom type of show. And I
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: don't think it went, but. I saw them at things
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and she was always really sweet. And so I think she,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: he knew, you know, she started out as like a
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: dancer on like MTV, you know, there's old video of
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: her with like her New Jersey accent and everything. So
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, you know, she had aspirations for entertainment.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: She marries this bigger entertainer that has the biggest sitcom
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: ever and part of it. And so I think when
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: it came, he probably presented it to her like, well,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: this is your time to shine. The kids are a
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: little older. But really it was that he already probably
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: had his eyes set on somebody else or just wanted
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: the freedom.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: He had one foot out the door.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so you feel looking back like that's maybe...
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Why your husband was also like, yeah.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Great idea.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Well, because listen, I'm a showgirl.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: So he says to me, why.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Are you such a showgirl? Because I am, you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: I grew up in a big family. So it's like,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: look at me, look at me, look at me.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: What number are you again?
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Six or seven.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: So, you know, I went to nursing school. Then I
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: got scouted to be a model in New York. And
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: that's when I got the taste of like, wow, this,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: I like this modeling thing.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: And then I got to Europe and I love the
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: modeling thing over there, but it didn't go so great.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: So I wound up in television. So then I got
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: bitten by the television bug, which was like, this is great.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I don't have to pound the pavement, knock on doors,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and get said no to. I get a real job.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Is that when you were actually hosting that Italian show?
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I was hosting a show on Italian television, but it
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: took me a while to climb to that level. I
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: was the Vanna White of Italian television first because I
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: couldn't speak Italian. Then I realized if I could speak Italian,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: I could really take them for a ride. And I
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: talk about that in my cabaret show, which is I realized, oh,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: my God, I can have a career here.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: How did you learn?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And this is why– I met the count because I
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: was skiing in Switzerland with an Italian boyfriend. And I
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: met my husband at a dinner party and we got
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: married two weeks later.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Wait, was the Italian boyfriend next to you?
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: No, he was on a business trip.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait, you're skiing with the Italian boyfriend.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: He's on a business trip. So he leaves me in Switzerland.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: I go to a dinner party and I meet the count.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And then how do you.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: I just left. How do you tell somebody that loves
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: you that you're leaving, you're in love with somebody else?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: So were you living with this Italian boyfriend or just
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: on a vacation together?
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: No, I was living with him.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: How did you leave and get your stuff and everything?
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: It's called a garbage bag. I literally threw my stuff
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: in a huge garbage bag and went off like Santa
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the night and left before he
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: got back because there was no way to tell him. Now,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: to do justice to the story is I told the
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Italian who was 55 and I was 27. that you're
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: not going to be the father of my children. You
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: know that someday this is going to come to a close.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: And I was kind of warming him up because I
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: was going to go to LA and become an actress
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: like Sharon Stone went to Milan. She was a model.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: And then she went to California. So I had an
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: agent like Sharon Stone would have had, who said to me,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: now you have to go to LA. Now you have
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: a huge career here. Now you go to California. So
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: I was trying to talk my boyfriend at the time
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: into the story that I'm going to leave at some point.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: This is not going to last. And then I met Alex.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: And I realized, hell, with the career, this is the
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: father of my children. So I left my career in
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Italian television to marry Alex. Because if I didn't leave,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: it would have never worked.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: So wait, you're at the dinner party. How many people
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: are at the dinner party?
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: 20. And you can't imagine how beautiful it was.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Like one long table?
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, long table with place cards.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love something like this. This is my dream
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: kind of evening.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: And there's silverware for miles. I love it. And glasses. And, oh, no, chandeliers.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: And a wooden, beautiful chalet in Switzerland. Like Gunter Sachs.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Wait, how did you get invited to the dinner party?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So I had a lot of friends that I made
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: through this Italian boyfriend who was like the Asti Spumante
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of Italy. So the Pellegrinos were our friends. You know,
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Robert Plant was coming over for dinner parties. No, no, no.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I had like fabulous friends.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: But wait, how did you meet him, the Italian?
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: You know, I met him because I actually won a
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: beauty pageant over there called Lady Universe. So I had
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: to do a tour. Nobody really knows the story. I
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: did a tour of Lady Universe across Italy. So I
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: went to every, like, town in Italy.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: With the sash and the crown?
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: The whole thing. Okay. I love it. And so Mr. Spumanti,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Roberto Gancia.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Gorgeous. Northern Italians, blonde with blue eyes.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Fifty-five. Now, I'm in my 50s now, right? 55 and gorgeous.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: And he's got the hots for the American who's green
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: as the day is long because I don't know anything, right?
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: I'm just new. I'm a new meat, right? And he
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: comes to me, he goes, what are you doing here?
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, well, I'm trying to model, but it's not
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: going very well. Anyway, I started dating him. And then,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: you know, we stayed together for two and a half years.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: And then I met Alex, the love of my life. Okay,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: so you... Which broke my heart because I loved him,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: but I knew that that was not my future. Like
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: I wanted to have kids. So I'm not going to
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: have kids.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Okay. So you're with a 55 year old and you
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: kind of know this can't last forever. So you get
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: invited to the dinner party because he's away and you're like,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: I've got nothing to do. Sure. I'll throw on a
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: black dress and go to this thing.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But I went with Princess Home.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: And Lo. Who's that?
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: So Princess Ho and Lo was my mentor. She was American.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: A mentor of what? How to marry well?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: No, she's American. She used to work in the old days.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: And I tell the story in my cabaret show, which
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: is Honey was my mentor. So she grew up in Georgia.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: She's a Georgia peach. And Honey Child worked in the
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: old days of radio with Bob Hope. And they used
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to say, wherever there's hope, there's Honey. So that was
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: her thing. And she met everybody with Bob Hope, including
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Prince Homanlo, who is Austrian-Hungarian prince, who fell in love
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: with Honey, and he married her. So Honey was living
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: amongst all, like, Princess Grace. So Honey was living in Europe,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: but American. So when she met me, a good friend
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: of Roberto, my Italian boyfriend, she knew everybody. Gina, little Brigida.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: All the big Liz Taylor, everybody was her friend.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: So how much older was she than you?
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: She was like 70s, and I was 20-something.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, so she took you on.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: But she loved me because I'm an American dating one
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: of her friends, and I'm a TV star. She's like, girl,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I can't even. And she had a southern accent, and
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Honey Child had the best jokes. And she knew the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: entire world. For example, I go to Paris, and I go.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: I'm dating at the time. I'm dating Roberto, but I
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: just met Roberto, right? So I'm dating around a little bit.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: So Honey comes with me to Paris and a guy
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: invites me to the opera, the opening of the opera
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: in Paris. So she goes, I go, Honey, I got
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: her invited. I said, I have to bring my auntie.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: So she took me on as her niece.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: I have to bring my aunt. And Honey was fabulous. Short,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: like Dorinda style hair, short, blonde, but fierce woman, fierce, fabulous. Anyway,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I said, we're going to the opera. She goes, darling,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: we don't have anything to wear. I said, well, she goes, oh,
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: let's go. We're going to go Avenue George Sank. We
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: go to Avenue George Sank, open the door. She knocks
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: on the door and rings the bell. Hubert, it's honey.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Hubert Gervon, she opens the door. And we were set
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: loose in his- To just pick out whatever you want.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: To pick whatever we wanted. That was honey. She was amazing.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: So I went to Sean Connery's wedding with her, Sean
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Connery's son's wedding in Marbella. She lived in Spain. She
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: had a house right on the water in Marbella. So
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: I used to go and visit her all the time
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: and stay with her. And then she got cancer. So
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I walked her out of this life as a nurse.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It was terrible. And Victoria
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: was a baby. Victoria was born. She got to see Victoria.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's good.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: She got Victoria in her lap. I had pictures of honey.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: She was amazing. She mentored me through my life. She
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: told me If you're going to wear that dress, darling,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: it's the bread or the wine, honey. You can't have both.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, the bread.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: The bread or the wine. Can't have both. Oh, honey,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: it was fabulous.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: So she gave all the tips.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: And she also said if people aren't talking about it,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: she might as well be dead.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: That's a good attitude having this business.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I think that's correct.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Which, you know, when you throw, when your videos, I
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: see them all over TikTok of people That take videos
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: of you and stuff. And I've been there. I know
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: every single person there is having a blast.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's the negative Nellies.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Do you ever read? How do you keep yourself from
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: reading those things?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I don't address them because they're clickbaiters.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: They do that for clickbait. So somebody will come to
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: me and be nice.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: And then they're overbearing. Then they try to get attention.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: And then I get fed up. I'm like, you know.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: And then that's when they get you.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: They meet you and have a story. I'm just talking
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: about like.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Sometimes people do that. They will meet you
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: for attention. They try to put something out there about
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: you that's negative. Right.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: I met Luann.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: When I just showed them a great time at my
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: cabaret show. Right. But they'll come and they'll be friendly.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: And then they'll be too pushy. And then I shoo
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: them away because I have to.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: And that's when they capture that moment. Which is good
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: because it just happened to me recently. So I'm glad
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: we're talking about this.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, it did? What happened?
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I've had that type of thing.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I don't address them.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Right. I've had that type of thing happen to you.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: And it is hard. And you know, you're like. Especially
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: after I put on.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: A great show.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: And she had a great time. But this is.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: All you have to do is do a video that
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: was like.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Lou was rude to me.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Instead of.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Instead of.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: She was so nice. Until I was too pushy.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Like, or I went to Lou's show and it was
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: so fun.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: We don't need to watch that, you know, as you're scrolling, scrolling, scrolling.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Of course not.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: So people know, people know how it works, you know,
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: and just putting a name in something. And yeah, I've
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: had a similar thing like that happen. And I was
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: just like shocked. And I was like, well, gosh, I
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: make a living out of talking about people. So I
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: guess I'm at this level and I shouldn't be mad,
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: but it's like, you're like.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: But wait, that's not how it happened.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: But then you're like, but then if I address it,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: then it gets bigger.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: And so, um, Yeah, but I think that's a great attitude. Well,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: getting back to this, honey, which is just like this
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: could be, that could be a series in itself. That
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: part of your life could be like a very, a
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: version of Emily in Paris, but Lou in Italy. Like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I met John Galliano when he didn't have a penny.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: We took him off the floor of a warehouse in London.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: He doesn't want me to tell that story, but it's true.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I met him when he had not a penny. Before
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: he went to Givenchy, you know.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: It was at Givenchy, yeah. Where he became huge, right?
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: But I met him when he didn't have a dime.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: And Faisal Amour from Plan Soud. Do you know Plan Soud?
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: No, I don't know how- So Plan Soud used to
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: dress me.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: In Milan for television. So Plan Soud was like a
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: European brand, but they had a Plan Soud in New
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: York and around the world, actually. He had stores everywhere.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: So he's one of the only straight designers that I know.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: And he became a good friend. And he said to me,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I'm going to London. I'm going to take this designer-
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: who's been kind of– he doesn't have financial backing, and
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to put him up in my atelier in France,
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: in Paris. So we went to get John Galliano in London,
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: and he took him to Paris, and that's how he
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: became his career.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing. So you go to this dinner party
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: because Honey brings you. And Honey brought you to the
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: dinner party.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: She did, but I knew the woman who was having
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: the party already because Honey had a lot of friends
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: all over the world. So they would come to Milan–
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: They would come and stay with us because I lived
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: in like a palace in Milan.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: With the Italian?
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: With servants and the whole thing. It was insane. I
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: couldn't go shopping. I had somebody following me to carry
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: my bags. It was great.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: It was nothing.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I would go into Valentino, pick whatever I wanted in
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Valentino because I had a TV personality. So they would
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: give me everything. You know what I mean?
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Because of the TV show, not because you're dating the
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: 55-year-old Italian.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: No, the TV show. TV show. No, TV.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: But you were in the palace with the servants because
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: of the 55-year-old Italian. Exactly.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: And, like, when you're, like, what does your siblings and
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: other friends from home, when you get on the phone and, like,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: tell them, now.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I'm dating this guy.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Yo hablo italiano como un italiano. I speak fluent Italian
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: and French and Spanish. But not Spanish is shaky, but
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I'm learning. I want to learn Spanish better. But they
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: don't know what to think of me. It's like I
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: come home. First of all, I didn't tell my parents
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I was getting married. Wait, last they knew, I was
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: in Italy working on television. Exactly.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, got it.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Because I married Alex two weeks later.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: After the dinner party, you married him in two weeks?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Now I need to hear that story. How did that happen?
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: So are you seated next to him?
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: I'm seated next to him, between him and his brother.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: So Ferdinand de Lesseps, right, is very famous in Europe, right?
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: That's where the count comes from, which is they built
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: the Suez Canal, the Panama Canal, gave the Statue of
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Liberty to the United States for the French, which is
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Ferdinand de Lesseps, right? So Ferdinand. So Alex has a
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: brother called Ferdy who's named after his great-great-grandfather. People think
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: I got my title out of a Cracker Jacks box.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: They don't understand it's like being a Getty or a
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Kennedy or whoever. You know what I mean? It's like
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: aristocrats at the top level, right? My father was ambassador
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: of Monaco for 40 years. So Alex grew up with
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Princess Grace. Prince Albert would come over for dinner. This
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: is my life. So anyway, I married him because I
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: knew he was going to be.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: But how does the conversation start?
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: So he goes, do you want to go skiing tomorrow?
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I'm going helicopter skiing. I don't know if there's a
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: place for you on the helicopter, but I'm going to
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: find out. Do you want to go? I've never been
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: in helicopter skiing in my life.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: But you're a good skier because you're athletic.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: I'm a good skier.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: So, but I've never been in a helicopter skiing. So
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: he calls me and he goes, I'm sorry, there's no
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: room for you in the helicopter. I'm like, whew, because God,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I can do that.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: All that means is that the helicopter lands you in
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: a place.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: That's not groomed. No, it means there's not another scene
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: on the helicopter. It was full. No, no, no.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying to people that don't understand what
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: helicopter skiing is, it's like they land on a part
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: of the mountain that's not groomed.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: They land in a place where you have to duck
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: because the chopper will take your head off.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: And then you go down because it's pristine and it's
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: not groomed because it's not part of a ski resort.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: It's powder. No, we go with guides. Right, yes, yes.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I've been in a helicopter with him skiing like every
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: day for a year at least. For years. Anyway.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, so he says there isn't a spot.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: There isn't a spot. Okay, let's move on. So, and
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: powder skiing is a whole thing. But, you know, we
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: call it God's land because it's only mountain goats and us.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: There's nobody, obviously. We're in the middle of nowhere. Okay.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: So anyway, there's no space, but there's a party coming
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: up in a couple of days. A big party that
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: I'm invited to with Honey Chow.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: So good.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: And he goes... Do you want to come with me?
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: I said, I'm already going. I'll see you there. Okay.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I don't go with him, but I meet him there.
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: Uh-huh.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And I have another guy who's trying to kiss me
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: who's a singer from France, but that's a whole other story.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, wait. Let me ask a question. This is exciting.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: So when you're getting ready to go to the party
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: with Honey and you know this guy's going to be there,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: you're obviously- Yes.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: And you're already attracted. I already know him.
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: Like how do you decide what to wear that night?
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Are you someone that thinks about that a lot or
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: you're just like, everything looks great, I don't care?
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty casual about that. I like to be comfortable.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not, you know.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: So this wasn't like a black tie dinner. It was
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: just like a chic.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: No, it was very elegant dinner. You know, people in
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Switzerland and Europe, they dress, you know, they dress to
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: go out for lunch. They dress to go out for lunch.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Forget about dinner. So they dress to go out to
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: walk their dog.
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Which I love. I love the effort that goes into it.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: You will never see a European in their sweatpants.
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: Never.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Anyway, so from there. Do you remember what you wore?
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Wait, do you remember what you wore? On the first, like,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: kind of date with him, sort of.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: You know what? I think probably, like, I do remember,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: and it was like a jean look.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: But really, you know, with heels and jeans, you know, like, cool. Okay. Dressy.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: All right. So you go to that party.
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: That's the way I got married, too, in jeans. You did?
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Okay. Get to that. Yeah, we eloped.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: We eloped in New York.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: So now you've only known him for three days.
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: So then at this party, then we go skiing together
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: the next day. Okay. We're just inseparable. You know, we've
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: fallen in love. And then he says, you know, he
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: comes to me at dinner at somebody else's house. Like
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: the next day, the next day, we're together every day.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: So he says to me, you know, you're going to
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: be the mother of my children. You're going to be
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: the mother of my children.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: He says that. I know. So he had never been
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: married before or anything?
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Three times.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: But no kids? No kids.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: One daughter from his first marriage, but he was in college.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: So she's like, you know, so.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: He was really now looking to like.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I don't think he was looking to get,
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: he said to me, I'm not, do you think I'm
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: not getting married again? Because I've been married three times.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I said, do I look desperate to you? So I
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: had an Italian TV career to go back to. So
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: it was either it's do or die right now. Cause
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: she's going back. And if she goes back, I'm going
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: to lose her. And I knew if I went back,
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: I would lose him. So we just, decided to get married.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: Like very casually. He asked me on the ski lift.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: And before the Italian came back from his business trip.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: You were already saying, I'm going to get married.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: I was gone. I went to Paris because we had
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: a party to go to in Paris together. So we
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: drove with Honey Child to Paris. We took Honey with us.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: And you got married in Paris?
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Because Honey was friends, of course, with his father. Honey's, okay,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: he's the ambassador of Monaco. So Honey's friends are Princess Grace.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: So guess what?
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Amazing. I know.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: So honey knew them. She goes, I'm going to get
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: us invited for tea. I'm going to seal this deal,
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: which is this is my niece. So she's good. And
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: I met his parents and the mother. I'll never forget
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: the way she looked at me up and down like,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: who's this? The father loved me because I'm a nurse
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: and I'm American Indian, Native American. He loved that.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Did you feel like the mom liked you too?
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she did. She did. And, you know, they both
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: died very shortly after we got married.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: So they never met the kids.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Six months later, his mother died. She had ALS. Terrible.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: So I took care of her. And the father died
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: a year after Noelle was born. A year before Noelle
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: was born. So literally, I had Victoria. His mother had passed.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: And then his father got ill. And I had Noelle.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: And he passed. Isn't that something?
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Wow. And so... Were you already actually married in your
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: jeans before you told the Italian?
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Before I told my mother, I was married. And I
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: was in New York.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: We flew to New.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: York to get married because that was the quickest place
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: to get married. Because in Paris, you need blood work.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: And in New York, you can get married without without
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: blood work and things like that.
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: But once you decided we're going to spend our lives together,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: why did you two feel like you had to get
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: married like in nine days? Like, why couldn't you just
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: be engaged?
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: We were in love. No, we just madly in love. Well,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: because I was also, you know, I was, I was
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: going out with the Italian, but I had, you know,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Prince Borghese who was after me. And so I had
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: all these guys kind of after me and he understood that.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: So he realized I got to grab her now. Otherwise
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to lose out here. So, you know, I was,
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I was with the Italian, but I was not very faithful,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: let's put it that way. I was looking for Mr. Right, Mr.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: Right for having a family. I said to myself in
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: my 20s, by the age 30, I want to be
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: married and have children. I'm a big manifester.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: And so how old were you when you got married?
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: I'm a big manifester, 29. Oh, that's so amazing.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm a big manifester too.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: And I had Victoria within a year.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: But did you know you were manifesting? Because I didn't
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: really realize. Yes. Until I.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't know.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I didn't know. Right. While I was doing it. Right.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: We didn't know that.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it. And then once they kind of,
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: people talked about the secret of manifestation. Right. Now I
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: do it and I'm not afraid to do it.
• 54:03
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: And I'll say it.
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: But I don't know how you felt, but when I
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: would grow up and I would tell somebody, like when
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I met my husband. And we've been married 25 years.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: It's May 27th.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Congratulations. That's awesome.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: When he looked at me, I was like, and I
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: remember I told my friend the next day and we're
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: dating and we're on the phone.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: You knew.
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: I knew, but I was like, I said something and
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: the initial thing was, you don't want to jinx it.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: We used to feed the generation, don't jinx it, don't
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: say it. Now we realize, don't say it, believe it,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: achieve it. If it's not going to be you, it's
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: going to be somebody else. So why not you? You
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: are capable, don't have imposter syndrome and go for it.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: So now I feel like that. Now I look back
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: at other parts of my life and I wouldn't make
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: a poster, but I would say things kind of in
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: my head. Like, oh, one day... I'll be, you know,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: like I'd park my car and walk to my waitressing
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: job in, in Beverly Hills and I'd park in the
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: residential fancy neighborhood and be like, Oh, one day I'll
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: have a house like this. And now what? Now I do. Right.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: But like, you know, it's not in Beverly Hills, but
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: it's a similar type of house. And I'm like, and
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: you know, that it'll come one day. I don't know where,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: like it'll come one day. And so when you, um,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: So when you guys got married, because you're like, this
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: is what I want, and you're so definitive.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: You're going to love this. So when I met him,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: he goes, I rented a house in the Hamptons this summer.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: Do you like the Hamptons? I said, I've only been
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: once or twice, because I lived in New York, you know, modeling.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: And I would go out to rental shared houses with
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: models and shit. And he goes, I rented a house
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: because I'm going to write a book. You know, because
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Alex wrote a book about his great-great-grandfather who built the
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: Suez Canal, who was, you know... I mean, he was
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: just unbelievable. They had a train from Paris that would
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: go to their chateau. He made train tracks to go
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: from Paris to his front door. That's how powerful he was.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: He made his own. They built train tracks to go
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: to where he lived.
• 56:02
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: So he wanted to write another book, a follow up
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: on this book about his. Well, it never happened because
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: he met me and then we had children. So he
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: never wrote the book. But we lived between the Hamptons
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: and Switzerland and shot.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: So that's how you ended up living in New York.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So you were living in the Hamptons before.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: When the kids were babies.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: I've been in the Hamptons since 1993. I married Alex
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: in 93. I've been in the Hamptons for over 30 years.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: And would you do like all summer in the Hamptons
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: and the rest of the year?
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: We would do six months. So we would live around
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: the ski schedule. You know, we'd go. And then the
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: kids had to go to school. So they went to
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: school in Switzerland. So we would only go in the summer. Oh, okay.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: So we had the house sitting there and we would
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: only go June, July and August. I would cry my
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: eyes out because I had my whole family. And Alex's
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: parents are dead, you know, and the brother lives in Brussels.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: So I didn't have any family there, but I made
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: a family, which is all my friends, which is the
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Prince of Greece. I mean, the King of Greece was
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: my friend.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: Oh, wow.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Constantine and all the kids, the Gettys. I mean, you know,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: all these people, fabulous people, you know, and they live
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: in Switzerland. They live. And whatever, Palm Beach, they live here,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: they live everywhere. You know what I'm saying? Very exclusive.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Very exclusive. When the opportunity coming up to do this
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: show and, you know, you didn't know how long it
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: was going to last. You're like, oh, this will be fun.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I didn't even know what reality was in 2007.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: And so, you know, nobody really knew what it would become.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: And so when you were doing that and he was,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: did you, before you presented it to him, did you
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: think he would have any reservations about you doing it?
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: You know, I... I didn't because otherwise I would not
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: have presented it to him. But now I didn't know
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: what I was doing. First of all, it was called
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Manhattan Moms. Now, if I saw The Housewives of the O.C.,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: which was already on, I would have never done that
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: show ever. Why? Because I didn't like watching these women
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: of the O.C. because I thought it was like tedious
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: and stupid and. Yeah, because the first couple seasons were.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: They're blonde, but, you know, getting boobs done and whatever.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: It's just like, no, I would not put my life
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: out there like that. Yeah. Because my life is totally different, right?
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Not to snub them.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: It just was their lifestyle. They lived in a gated community.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: I live in Europe. I speak three languages. You know,
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I'm married to a French aristocrat. My life has nothing
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: to do with that.
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be that person. I'm not that person, right?
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: So if I saw that, I would never have done
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: the show.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: And not to diss them because they're fabulous women. I
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: know them all and I love them all.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: Do you think.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Now, but then... Do you... Then I was Countess Dillis Epps.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: I was not Lou Anne. You don't call me Lou Anne.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I'm Countess Dillis Epps, right? And I wore that with
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: great pride because, you know, my children are born into
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: this family. It's a part of who I am. It
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: will always be. So that famous scene with Bethany where
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: she introduced me to the driver. It's like, Lou, here's Frank.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Whatever his name is, it doesn't matter. I'm Mrs. Deliseps.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't say Countess. I'm Mrs.
• 58:59
  Speaker 6: Deliseps.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: That's who I am. I don't want to be called
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: by my first name. I wasn't used to that.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Right? But God knows I've changed through the years, haven't I?
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: You've seen me grow and be... I'm just Lou. You know,
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I'm a nurse from Connecticut who happened to step into
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: the world of friendship aristocracy. So I embraced it. I
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: loved it. I had the best time. I had fabulous jewelry.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would get... I mean, his mother left
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: me beautiful jewelry from... You know, I always put this on,
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: you know, this necklace that I have. It's like diamonds
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: all over. And I put it on and I go, oh,
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: my God, I wonder who's worn this, right? Because the jewelry.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Do you ever wear that on stage?
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: No.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Because you're too afraid of it like falling or something.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: And makeup and all that.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Not wanting to travel with it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 6: No, no, no.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I have a safe for all that stuff. You have
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: a safe. I do, of course.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: I wonder now if maybe when they were recruiting guys
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: and putting the pilot together and the show together, If
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: they did tell you it was Manhattan Moms so that
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't think.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: They did. It was Manhattan Moms. That was the working title.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: But do you think they purposely did that?
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Well, of course, because like I said, if I knew
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: what I was getting into, I wouldn't have done the show.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: So that was on purpose. And how I got the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: show is from Jill. I met Jill at a dinner
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: party in the Hamptons.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: And what did she say to you?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I was with Tommy Hilfiger because Tommy married Dee, who's
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: from Monaco. And one of my best friends, Jane, is
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: friends with Dee, so I know Dee well. From before. And,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: you know, so I'm with Tommy Hilfiger and Dee. And
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: these are my friends. And I see Bobby. I don't
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: know his name is Bobby, but I see him buying
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: shots for my niece, who's like 23. So I walk
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: over and I go, if you're going to buy her
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: a shot, I need one too. And he goes, I'm Bobby.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: My name's Bobby. And then up walks Jill Zarin. Hi,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: I'm Jill Zarin. And I just, I fell in love
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: with Jill because, you know, Jill, she's huge heart. She's
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: the real deal. I like authentic people. You know, the posers,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: the wannabes. You know, you can keep them. I want
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: the real deal. I don't care how much money you
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: have because money can't buy you class. Isn't that true?
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I love it. So how does she present it to you?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Well, first I met her and then we hung out
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: the whole night. I mean, we went out, we went
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: to parties, we went together. We just hung out the
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: whole night together. And then I went to Europe because
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: the kids were going to camp in Switzerland. So I
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: was leaving for Europe and I had a little card, pink, fuchsia,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: and she probably still has it. I was trying to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: get back into TV. Um, so I was doing little
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: segments for a CBS morning show. Um, so I was
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: trying to get back into TV and Jill said, you know, they,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: they called me about the show and I think you
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: might be perfect for that. And I'll let you know.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: So I get an email from her when I just
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: got on email. My husband had email. I was like,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: what is that? You know, Alex, he had email maybe
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: in 2005, I want to say. And, um, and I
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: was like, I can't be bothered with that. Anyway, so
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: I get an email from Jill that says they're casting
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: and you should come. And I meet them at the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: American Hotel. And that's how I got The Housewives. It
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: was from Jill.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Yes. I love it. And, you know, it must be.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: And I sang on my audition tape. You did? I
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: sang Peggy Lee. What a day this has been. What
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: a rare mood I'm in.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: So I start singing on my audition tape. They're like, okay,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: let's grab her. You know, and I got the title
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: of the countess, you know.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: How far into the show did you do? Because sometimes,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, thank God for Peacock. I know you
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: guys don't get residuals. But it is really a fun
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: time on like a rainy L.A. day, which don't happen often.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: I just showed you a clip in Mexico. Yes, that
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: just goes way back. A guy's watching me in Mexico,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: and I'm dubbed in Spanish, which is hysterical. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: we're syndicated worldwide.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: That goes way back. But I remember when you were like,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do a cabaret thing. How early, what
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: season was that? Was that early on?
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you exactly when. So, you know, the shit
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: hit the fan for me in 2017 after Tom, you know.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: You know, I hit bottom. And then I rose to
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: the cabaret stage. No pressure.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: No pressure there. You had the songs in the video,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. You started singing before.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: No, I did money on the show.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: Money.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Right, but at that point. You hadn't gone with her.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: But then you didn't do the Nick Cabaret show. So
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: I was a showgirl, meaning that I'm an entertainer, right?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: So I did Italian television. I was a model, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: But singing has always been a part of what I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: love to do. Now, I recorded some songs. I did
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: some covers of songs. I did, for example, Stevie Nick's Dreams.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: And I've been singing that song since I'm 15. Do
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, the best, yeah.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: You know, Bonnie Raitt, Stevie Nicks, you know, Hart, Ann Wilson.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was like a wannabe singer.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: But that never happened to me. But then a really
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: good friend of mine, actually from California, Todd Allen, said
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: to me, Lou, you love to entertain, you love to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: sing for your friends, and you tell the best jokes.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: You should be a cabaret performer. I was like, oh, okay.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: And that's how the first cabaret show came. Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: Meet my friend Ben Rimmelauer. Ben Rimmelauer was the director.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Huge Housewives fan. Knows everything about me. And we put
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: together the show.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about, you know, the fact that
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: now so many other Bravo celebrities have taken their celebrity
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: to make some sort of a stage show?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's great. There's room for everybody. I'm so different. Erica, Jane,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: and I are like apples and oranges. I mean, literally.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: But you should kind of tap yourself a little on
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: the shoulder in just that they saw that you did
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: it and there was a thirst for fans to go
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: and get a taste of their favorite reality star in
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: some other, whether it's Trivia, Tom Sandoval.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, I got myself to London. I mean, that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: was my agents and my doing, which is getting me
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: to London, which, you know, our show is huge in London.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: It's in England. It's in Ireland, Scotland, right? So I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: played a big pride festival. I had 40,000 people standing
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: in front of me singing Money Can't Buy You Class,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: which was epic. And Tilda Swinton was in the crowd
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: as well. Right. And so we became friends.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I love that. I know.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: And she introduced me this last tour. to the stage
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: in London at the Adelphi Theater, the home of Sunset
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: Boulevard and.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Andrew Lloyd Webber. I saw that clip.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, shoot me now, I could die and
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: go to heaven because that was epic for me. And
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: I love her. She's such a wonderful, she's such an
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: amazing actor, first of all, and a real true aristocrat
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: because her family dates back to 800, not 1800, 800. Okay,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Swinton Swine, because he was giving the king animals, swine, pigs.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: God, your stories are like a history class. I know.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Titles are given to aristos for the services they render
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: to the king. That's how they get titles in land
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: and castles.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: Because you serve the king, so you get this. How
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: do you feel? And here's your title.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. How do you feel?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: About the controversy of the Sussex and Prince Harry and Meghan.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I think she's a genius for getting him out
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: of there. Because let me tell you, I mean, she
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: can't walk out the door.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, she was an American like you.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: You can't go to the bathroom without people, you know,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: spying on you. A terrible way to live your life
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: under the looking glass. And, you know, the Aristos don't
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: have a lot of money. I mean, they get given,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: you know, a stipend, let's call it. You know, they
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: get given some money, but they don't have the money that,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, England, they own all the churches. I mean,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: there's so much money with the aristocrats, right? But they
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: don't see that kind of money. So Prince William, it
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: behooves him to move to the U.S., sell a book.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, how much did they make on the book?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: $ 50 million?
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, their deals are huge with Netflix and all
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: that stuff.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: He's never going to see that kind of money. And
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: first of all, second of all, he could never live
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: with that kind of money in England because, you know.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: That's just not how they do it because guess what?
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Then we're stealing from the people. Do you know what
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: I mean? You can't have $ 15 million in London. Now
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: you're stealing from the people.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: You had honey, okay?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: I had honey.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: What if you had met Megan while she was dating
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Harry and you guys just had like a fun dinner
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: and she's like, what if Harry asked me to marry him?
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Would you have ever been like, just get ready. Like
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: it's not going to be as fun as ever. It's
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: not like you're going to be in this palace and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: be able to do all these things. You're going to,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: you know, when they did their Netflix thing, they kind
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: of said they were not living in like a great house.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: It was cold. It was, you know, and then the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: weirdness of everything.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: It's not always cracked up to me. A lot of duties.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: You have to be, you know, you have to always
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: put a smile on your face. You always have to be,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a lot of work. It's a lot
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: of work.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: But you didn't have, you didn't really have that as
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: the countess.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no. Thank God. No, I
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: didn't have that. We lived in the Swiss Alps also.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: It sounds like you had like the best of the situation.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Like you had the title without like all the bullshit.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It worked out great. Oh, okay.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to your love. Okay. So you're on
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: the love island.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, we could, you and I, we could go
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: all day long.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: So how did you and Shannon get along?
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: You know, we got along great. Yeah. I love Shannon.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: She's fun. Very fun. Yeah. She's fun. She's, you know,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: She's like very, what's the word? Like, I'm thinking designer.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: She's like, the way she dresses, she's very conservative in
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: a certain.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Way, right? Yeah, very like Chanel-y.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm like, I have like see-through clothes on, right?
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: I'm showing my ass and my boobs. And this one,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: she's very, yeah, Chanel and very, you know, a Tory Burch.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Very Tory Burch, right?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Which is not my style, but it looks good on
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: her because she's like a little girl. Do you know
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: what I mean?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: If I wore anything like she wore, I would look ridiculous.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? She wears it well because
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: she's like a Southern girl to me. You know what
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: I mean? But she's not. She's a California girl, but
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: she reminds me of more of a California girl. I mean,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, a Southern girl. You know, because she's charming.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: It's funny because her daughter went to a Texas school. Like,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I can see.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of Southern California desire to go live
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: that Southern-like life.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Did you?
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like a Southern belle to me.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's like, put flowers on her.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: You know, give her a champagne glass. I mean, she's,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: you know, she's like that.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Now, were there any guys?
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: And more conservative.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Much more conservative than I am.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Were there any guys, don't get too specific because we
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: want people to watch the show, but were there any
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: guys that like off the bat you both were kind
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: of like maybe had your eye on?
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: We did, which you'll see on the show.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: There's one guy in particular that we all have our
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: eyes on.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: But, you know, you got to peel back the layers
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: of the onion, don't you?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: And hopefully not cry.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: And then we have Ashley Darby. Oh, hot. Is she not.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: She's the cutest, sexiest thing. Oh, my God. We were
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: in the gym every morning together because she works out
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: like I do.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: That bod.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Her ass is like, you can have
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: a meal on her ass. I mean, you can sit
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: a plate. Yeah, I mean, she is in great shape
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: and gorgeous and sweet. So sweet.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Now, she has been honest about that she doesn't necessarily
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: have a conventional heterosexual love life. kind of like a
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: little let's bring in a third person I'm a little
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: bit bi though the third person thing she said didn't
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: work for her with her husband after a while when
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: she became her mom became a mom but I wonder
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: was that like intriguing or did that play.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: At all you know I didn't really know that about
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: her uh huh so I didn't really know that about
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: her I didn't know that she was more fluid in
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: that way yeah but so I didn't really it didn't
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: really come up it didn't really cross my mind but Um,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: but she likes to sing, which I didn't know.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: And she's a good singer. So, um, we just connected because,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: you know, she's athletic, she's sweet and, um, and she
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: likes to sing. So, you know, there you go.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: So does the show have like those moments, like a
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: housewife moment where you're having your time with each other
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: as girls and sharing? That's great.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: No, it's, we were, you know, really the drama was
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: mainly with the men. Right. So it's, we're each other's
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: wingmen really. I mean, we would, I'll give you an example.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: We would go on a date and I would, because
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: we could have multiple dates, right? So, and sometimes a
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: group date, right? So I'd get into a guy just
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: for her, like peel back the layers, doing my homework
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: for her. Do you know what I'm saying?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Get the story.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: Get a scoop and see how I feel about him.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: And we did that for each other. Oh. So it
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily because I'm interested in him. I'm interested in
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: him for you.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah, it's great.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: Well, it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: This was the host.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh, was.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: Was the host. So now, I mean, you probably can't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: say anything. Obviously, there's a controversy there that after the taping,
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: he expressed on social media some disenchantment with one of
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: the other girls.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: Not you.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: That's a good word. I like disenchantment.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: Not you. And she, it was Shannon, and then she
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: responded like pretty shocked, like, Yeah. I thought we ended
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: on a great note. Right. And I kind of was
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: fascinated because I was like, this is another one of
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: those moments where.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't press send.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't press send. You need to put the phone away.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: You need to think about it.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Don't drink and text.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: And yes. And getting to that, since we're just talking about,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: you know, a mistake, you know.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: People make mistakes. I mean.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: But throughout the years.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: People make mistakes. You made a huge mistake, obviously.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: When you're on a public show like that. Of course. But.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Throughout Housewives and stuff, there's been intense reunions.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: I should be the host.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe you could be the host.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: Why not?
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Why not be the host?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: I should be the host.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay, so let's talk about that for a minute.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Let's do.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: If Lou is the host.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Who are the next?
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: I'm the one that can help these women navigate the guys.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: Let's cast the next one with you as the host.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, done.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: Well, who would be good? There's so many single ladies now. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Well, let's see. Dorinda.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: Great.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Sonia.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: She needs a man. Dorinda needs a guy. Okay, that's two.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: I can cast this really quick.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: I think Erika Jayne.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Garcelle.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, you think, okay, let's talk about Garcelle.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: She just freed herself up, so she's free.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Garcelle. That would be amazing. Kyle.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: Kyle.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Who knows?
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Kyle Richards? She's done. Cass is already done.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: She's not. We don't know what's going on.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: We don't know what's going on there.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: We don't know what's going on.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: That's my Cass.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: Okay. Let me just go back a second. So as
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: you know, Garcelle left. And when we saw it, it was,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: you know, she gave a great little video of like,
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: thank you. And it's not goodbye forever because I'm going
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: to do Love Hotel with Luann.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: But she just kind of was like, okay. And She
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: does have a lot of other projects. She's a writer, producer, actress.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: She has a lot of things going on. But then
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: when I watched The Reunion... there really was this moment,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: like throughout these, I know you guys have these long,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: wicked days, you know, of everything, where they said in
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the reunion, she said, and we're definitely
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: getting a cast photo this time. And by the end,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: they go up to get the cast photo, and she's like,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: I'm out. And she has since unfollowed the cast members,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: which is a real deliberate move, which tells me you
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: want some press from that. Because if you no longer
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: are friends with somebody, and we're all on Instagram, And
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: I always say this, you can just mute them for
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: a month. If you just are like, I don't want
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: to see the wedding I'm not invited to. Right. Just
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: mute them. Like your mental health don't need that.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: But when you like, then you kind of, you know,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: the fans are going.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: To figure it out. You knowingly remove.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, the fans are going to figure it out.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: You know, it's going to get out there and it's
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: a big statement. And so, I mean, I think in
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: her case, she's happy with her decision of not doing
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: the show next year. But I wonder if in your experience,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: was there ever times where you had to talk yourself
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: out of like completely saying F off or sending a
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: 2 a.m.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: Email to the crew?
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'll tell you when that moment was. I'll
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: tell you exactly when that moment was. When they were
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: all against me in Miami, I didn't bring back the
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: truffle fries, okay? Just to swim in the beach. I
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: couldn't go for a swim. I couldn't go see my poster.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: And then, life is not a cabaret. Right? I walked
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: out of that scene. I left the table.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Because I was, and I was crying.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: So I go out to the sidewalk. Producers are out there.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: They go, get back in. Pick up your chin and
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: get back in. That's what he did. And it took
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: a lot for me to walk back in that. Because
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: they were all against me.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: And why were they? That was the weirdest thing.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: Because they were just so fucking jealous of me.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: They really were.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: So jealous.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Always. Because you were doing this thing that was actually successful.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: And it was working out. And they probably, you know.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: They didn't like it. Right. They didn't like it.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, Bethany is very successful
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And she probably was like, fuck. Why didn't
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: I think of doing this? She likes to be funny
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: and everything. She probably was like, I could have done
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but she can't sing.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: Not singing. And stand-up is a completely different thing. But
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, I wonder if she was like.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Stand-up she could do, right? She could do stand-up.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: You can't really... I mean, you can do it for
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: 10 minutes.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: Well, she tried to do a talk show. That failed.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: So there you go.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: But yeah, she probably was like, shit, this is kind
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: of a genius thing.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. And you know, I saw her last summer.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: I'm walking to a party. It's like this big agent.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: And I see Lee Shriver. Liv Shriver. Liv Shriver walking in.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, the hot actor.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: John Hamm.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love him.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: John Hamm, too. They're walking in.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's got a new show.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Kaylee Rip is walking in. Okay. Andy Cohen's walking out.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: I see Andy on the way out. And I go
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: in and Bethany's there with her daughter Bryn. And she says,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: you know, Bryn's a big fan of yours. Would you
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: take a picture? And like Emma Roberts is there, comes
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: up to me, who made Exile of Frances on social media,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: on Instagram. She played Exile of Frances.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: Anyway, so.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: And we're obviously in and Bethany's got this moment with
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: me and her and et cetera. And so she takes pictures,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: et cetera. And she goes, you know what, Lou, I
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: guess life is a cabaret, isn't it? So she concedes
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: to me finally after all this time.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I think in all and all the time, it's all
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: in good fun. It's like, I think what it is,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: is everybody is in, you know, you and she are
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: both very successful people. And doing your own thing. So
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: you can look back at the times that might have
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: been hurtful, whether they were on camera or not.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: And kind of be like, we're all doing okay.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: And that's what's great about like getting to a certain
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: age too in life.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: And nobody died. I mean, we almost died in Cartagena,
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: but that's a whole other story of that boat trip
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: from hell. Yeah.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: That always keeps coming up.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, I do, I do, I'm doing
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: a couple of shows now. I'm doing cabaret and I'm
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: doing also. A show where it's called The Luniverse. And
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: it's all about, you know, these stories, which we don't
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: know the backstory.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Which, I mean, you know, Sonia was in diapers. I mean,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: we got so ill on that trip. We almost got
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: killed on the boat. Sonia was in diapers. We had like,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: we had, I'm going to call it projectile diarrhea. That's
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: what happened. It was bad.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: That was Columbia, right?
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That was Cartagena.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, Cartagena.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Cartagena, yeah. Exactly. So anyway, so I put together clips
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: of the show, which I get into, which is, you know,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: the picture with Bethany.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Okay. That she took, that she didn't take. But I
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: can't tell you who took it because you have to
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: come to my show to figure it out.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get the scoop.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Get to get the scoop. So I'm doing that kind
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: of show because, you know, some venues can't hold a piano,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: grand piano, a drum set and, you know, and a
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: bass player. Right. So I kind of miss a smaller
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: audience with showing these moments. And then I do with
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: the moderator. And I show the most incredible clips over
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: the course of the years and tell the story, which
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: is my story, which people don't know.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: That's a great idea. Wait, I can't even... Tinsley.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: She really... Landed on her feet, didn't she?
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: How great was that?
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: I love that story.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: That is a Cinderella story. That's a housewife Cinderella story.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: That is a wonderful story.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: Because she ended up being on this show, coming off
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: of the mug shot with the bad Botox.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: I was there. I was in Florida when that happened
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: to her. And I saw her getting her nails done.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: So she had a boyfriend. We knew each other before.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: I've known Tinsley for years. And she had this Cuban boyfriend,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: the Sugar family, very rich, very rich, but 30. And
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: she was approaching 40.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: What do I do?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: He was 30.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: He was 30.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Good luck with that.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: Gazillionaire, 30 years old and hot. I'm like, tens? This
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: is trouble.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: It's going to be hard to last all the time.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: And she got arrested shortly after that.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: She had to what?
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: She got arrested after that.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Because they got in a fight and she showed up
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: at his property.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: She went to get her purse and stuff. She went
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: to get her things and he wouldn't let her in.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: So she got arrested. It was stupid. But, you know,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: I was there. I've known her since then. I've known
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: her for a long time. Right. And so I'm so
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: happy for her because here she is. The shitty situation
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: with Sonya in the townhouse didn't work out great for her. Right.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, she just wanted to have kids
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: and be a mother.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: And she was with the Coupon King.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: And she was with the Coupon King. Scott, he was
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: so good.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: So here this man who's handsome.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Good looking, tall, rich. And his wife dies of cancer.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: He's got three young little children that could be hers
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: because they're all little blondies.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so happy for her.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: I'm so happy for her. I think I still follow
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: her and she doesn't post much because she's having this
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: great life, but something will come up and I'm just like.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: Look at her go.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: So great. And I mean, I love that she doesn't.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: It makes me want to cry of joy. Yeah.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: Seriously.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I know you can't like tell us what happened,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: but I'm excited to see the Love Hotel and everything
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: that you have going on because it's like so great.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: The Love Hotel is going to be, I think, epic
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: for Bravo because it's the first dating show really for them, right?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It really kind of is.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: It's the first dating show. They haven't done dating.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty genius idea.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's about time. Yeah. Like, this has
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: been on my mind for years. As we spoke about
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: this before, didn't we? Years ago. Right.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of housewives have become single. Well,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: because it's tough to be married and do the housewives.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: I remember when you told me about an idea like this.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: And it was a couple years ago when we were
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: in the Hamptons and we went to your house.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: That's correct.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: And you.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: I picked you up in my convertible Mercedes.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: We took you to the convertible. We went on the boat. We, like,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: had lunch. That's right.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: You came out of my boat.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: Yes. And so I do think this is a great idea.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: I do think... I really... What I don't understand, and
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going to put it out there, okay? Because I... And,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure, whatever, that was a fun choice
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: of who they chose to be the host, turned out.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: But I believe that, you know, when The Bachelor started,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: they had... The host, it was just a guy and
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: the host was his wingman. He was currently the age.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: You know, that's how it started. So I think, yeah,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: if the girls.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: The Golden Bachelor you're talking about?
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: No, the original Bachelor.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: With Chris Harrison.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: When the original Bachelor was this guy, Alex, and they
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: picked Chris Harrison because they were similar in age. So
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: he was the host, but the wingman. And then it
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: went on and they had the girls and everything. My
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: point is like, it should be you. It should be
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: someone who embraces dating after divorce and can give advice
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: and fun.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Real advice.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Real advice. And like, that's kind of where I'm like
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: with a lot of these shows too. I'm like, I
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: wish there was more women also behind the scenes in
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: like in leading the lifestyles of like more relatable because
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: maybe it wouldn't go right to say that mean snarky thing.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: It might go to, um, Well, how do you feel
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: because she was there for you at this time, but
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: now you're feeling like she's not listening? Like, I don't know.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: I just feel like, I don't know. I think that's
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: kind of why the shows have somewhat gotten off track
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: is because the shows are for women. And I wonder like.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: We need mentors. You know, look, I talk about Honey
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: and Child, you know. Honey was my mentor, you know.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: She guided me.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: She guided me, right? So, you know, I feel that
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: mentorship is something that's fallen to the wayside these days.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: You know, people need to have mentors and people that
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: they can get advice from.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: That they look up to, that they like the way
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: they live their lives, et cetera. You know what I mean?
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: Like not afraid to love or take a chance. So,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: you know, I think that's so important and we don't
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: have enough of them today. And I agree with you
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: that hosts should be more involved in terms of, okay,
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: let's just not read from the teleprompter.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Let's get in.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: I think that would be really fun.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: Like Shannon, like why Shannon? Why is it always this
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: kind of guy, right? Not to say from the Love Hotel,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: talking about in general.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Her history of dating, right? Now she's got to look
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: at a girl with her guy across the table and
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: they're getting married? I'm like, girlfriend, how does that happen? But,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: you know, this guy is just a piece of shit,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: this guy, right?
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: But it is great.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, what kind of a guy would do that,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: first of all?
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: It's just... It's, yeah, it's just, it's just the history
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: of her life. Like, it's just, holy Shannon, it would have, like,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: you couldn't write it.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: Like, that's what's so great about the Bravo shows.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: Universe.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: You can't find a Ramona anywhere.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, where are you going to find a Ramona?
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Ramona's doing great, too.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: She's doing great. She's got a wealthy boyfriend.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: Loving life.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: Loving life. Living her best life. And so I'm happy
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: for her, you know.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: She called me the other day.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, she did?
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: And I was like.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Out of the blue?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: I go, hello. And she goes, hi, you know, I
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: just got back from Aspen and I have two tickets
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: to the boat show. And I know it's last minute,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: but I'd love to take you. And I go, Ramona,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: this is Heather McDowell from LA. I'm the comedian. And
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: she goes, oh my God, I thought you were my
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: other friend, Heather, from Dun & Dun. And I'm like, listen,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: if I had a jet, I would be at the
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach... show in like a hot second. And I'm like,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: please invite me next time.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: It was just, but that's how it started. It wasn't
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: like how you're doing. It was just like, I got tickets, girl.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Put on your shoes. We're going to find the zaddies.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Well, that's what I love about Ramona. You know,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: I always say that, She's great. People are like, oh, Ramona, whatever.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: But Ramona is actually really the most fun. She'd be
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: the first one to take off her clothes and jump
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: in the pool.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. With a floatie.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: As long as she has her noodles.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, noodles.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Her noodles. A swimming pool will never be the same
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: without noodles. I mean, she's hysterical. I get a kick
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: out of her now.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, all those years I've filmed with her, I'm
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: telling you, she was also not easy to deal with, right?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: But she's changed a lot also. You know?
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: She's gotten softer with time.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: You know, it's, it's so great.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, you have, we could talk all day. We
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: could talk all day, but let's talk more cabaret.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: Everybody go see Luann. And it really, you can't not
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: have a good time at her shows. I don't know.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: And it's always new. People think they're seeing the same show.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: It's not the same. Like next year I'll be out
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: with the love hotel, which is not the love hotel.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: It'll be my iteration of the love hotel, but then
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: in music, you know, so it'll all be about, you.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: Know, And it's just fun because it's like.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: And heartbreak, too.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: You know, get one person or five people, whatever. It
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: is fun if you can get a little group together and,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: you know, enjoy.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just so much fun. You know, I love
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: to do what I do, which is the other thing.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know, people are like, oh, you're traveling,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: you're doing all these dates. Oh, my God, it's so
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: much work. But I love what I do. So, you know,
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: I'm excited by it. So, you know, that makes it
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: a lot easier, right? And they're my stories, so I
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: don't really have things to remember.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: And with all the travel, I know you can't reveal
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: because there might be a man in your life based
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: on the show. Is it hard to make a relationship
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: work when you're on the road all the time?
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: You know, I think that when you love somebody, you
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: have to set them free. So they do what makes
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: them happy, right? And if you love somebody that much,
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: then you stick around, right? So we'll see what happens.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: Everybody go. I can't tell you. I know you're already
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: following the Countess. It's Countess Luann on Instagram. And her
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: dates are there. And there's going to be city. If
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: you can't see her at this tour, there'll be another one.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: And if you haven't gone before, you've got to go.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: And if you're already gone, then you've probably gone three
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: or four times like me.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And that's what's great because my fans keep coming
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: back because I do put on a new show, you know.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: And it's great.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: I change my show all the time because my life changes.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: Like last year, right? The Love Hotel was just a
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: figment of the imagination, right? And and so, you know,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: you know, manifest manifest because life is a cabaret. You
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: just never know what's going to happen.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you. Thank you, Luann.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: Thank you, darling.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: You deserve a treat.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.