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Draw My D* Like One Of Your French Girls? (Lanterns E04 Review Feat. Janicia F & Rodimus Prime) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: I was really finna judge this out of this nigga
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  Speaker 1: if he would've been like.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what the are you doing? That's not
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  Speaker 2: how you get the ring.
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  Speaker 3: You know it. They could do it real quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: No, of course, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was over here like, do it.
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  Speaker 4: And what's up, y'all?
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  Speaker 5: Welcome to another episode of the For All Nerds Show.
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  Speaker 5: It's your boy, DJ Ben-Hameen, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 4: Project Pat McAfee, Cal L.
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  Speaker 5: Bundy, Halal Jordan, the anti-trife equation in Blackish Night here
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  Speaker 5: on the spaceship.
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  Speaker 3: And as always, I'm joined by... Tatiana King, the Grand
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  Speaker 3: Duchess of Tech, also known as Flex Luthor, Glorilla Grodd,
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  Speaker 3: Fear of Zod, Black and Yellow Lantern, and Jewel Zantana.
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  Speaker 3: Nice one.
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  Speaker 4: And, of course, Portia knows the Farsetter Prospector.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, it's Maester P, a.k.a. Make Him Say Mmm, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 3: X-Men's Rogue One, also known as Captain Plandit. And... I
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  Speaker 3: think I'm going to leave it there.
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  Speaker 5: No problem. And returning to the spaceship, the one and only...
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  Speaker 5: Rodimus Prime, please reintroduce yourself.
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  Speaker 1: Rodimus Prime, Rod from the Blackout Tips, a.k.a. Boosha Gold, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: GNX Luthor, a.k.a. Apache Chief Keith, African American Lightning, Draymond
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  Speaker 1: Green Arrow, Lil Jon Stewart, Hal Tiptoeing in my Jordans,
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  Speaker 1: and Clark Clint Sweeney, because I stay in my lane.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, man. African American. African American, I like that one.
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  Speaker 3: Good job.
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  Speaker 4: I like all of them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got nothing to say there.
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  Speaker 4: And returning again, it's been a minute.
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  Speaker 3: The Queen. Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Janicia, please reintroduce yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, I forgot to do my AKAs, but I do.
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  Speaker 3: I have a few left over from before. So we'll
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  Speaker 3: do that. Hey, everybody. Thanks for welcoming me back. It's Janicia, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 3: Jay from Tea with Queen and Jay podcast, a.k.a. Wondering Woman, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 3: Storm Every Damn Day, a.k.a. Why Would You Say That?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I saw you, you know, watching with the judging
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  Speaker 5: eye throughout all the AKAs. So, you know, I feel
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  Speaker 5: that last one very much. I feel that last one
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  Speaker 5: very much so.
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  Speaker 4: And we are here, folks.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we assembled this, you know, Justice League here
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  Speaker 5: to discuss Lantern's episode for the weenie. Genesia, since it's
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  Speaker 5: been a while, and I just want to know what
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  Speaker 5: you thought about the weenie.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, wow. So easy.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to make it through this one.
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  Speaker 6: It was a lot.
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  Speaker 3: It was a lot. So I'm enjoying the series. I
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  Speaker 3: thought it was a great episode given everything that we
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  Speaker 3: have been given to work with so far, which has
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  Speaker 3: been a lot. I have a lot of questions. I
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  Speaker 3: think that the theme, I don't want to say all
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  Speaker 3: of them now. So this is just like, I guess
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  Speaker 3: my initial surface thing, but I will say this, the
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  Speaker 3: theme of John and Zoe having sex, it comes up
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  Speaker 3: every single episode, every single one of the two. And
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  Speaker 3: this has come up again, and I'm glad it has,
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  Speaker 3: because I was thinking, how am I going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about before I even watch the episode? I'm like, I
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  Speaker 3: have to talk about these two. OK, and how am
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  Speaker 3: I going to do that? But I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: luckily or unluckily they gave it to us again. And
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  Speaker 3: so we have a reason to discuss it. But that's
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  Speaker 3: what's top of mind for me. But yeah, it was
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  Speaker 3: an interesting episode. I also want to make sure that
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: we talk about I mean, we're going to talk about race. Again,
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure. But I love that they made Hal racist. Okay?
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  Speaker 3: I'm living for it. I love it. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: For so many reasons. My man said, Jazz, it's a
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  Speaker 3: bad thing.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, you are never beating the allegations, Hal. Like,
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  Speaker 5: off bat, fam.
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  Speaker 4: Like, Never beating them. I do want to know, though,
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  Speaker 4: what was your first point, though? Like, let's go right
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  Speaker 4: into that.
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  Speaker 3: What is, you know, with Zoe and... Yeah. My biggest thing. So,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like, and I haven't had time to rewatch
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  Speaker 3: that episode, but I feel like I wasn't given enough
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  Speaker 3: of a reason initially as to why they hooked up.
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  Speaker 3: And I understand this theory of, you know, a guy
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  Speaker 3: will fuck everything. Fuck anything or whatever. Right. OK, but
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  Speaker 3: some guys can fuck anybody. OK, and we're not going
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  Speaker 3: to pretend that this Jon Stewart, even how he was
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  Speaker 3: originally drawn after Sidney Poitier, we're not going to pretend
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  Speaker 3: that he's not the hottest guy in that fucking town
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  Speaker 3: and could for real fuck anybody. And the actress, I
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  Speaker 3: forget her name. Do we have her name pulled up?
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  Speaker 3: I'll bring it up later. Go ahead. Okay. She's a
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  Speaker 3: beautiful woman, period. The way that she was presented to
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  Speaker 3: us in that first episode didn't give, oh, that's somebody
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  Speaker 3: I want to fuck in the fucking parking lot. That's
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  Speaker 3: just not what it gave that night. She was relaxing.
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  Speaker 3: She was having a drink. She didn't look like the
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  Speaker 3: hottest guy in every room that he walks in is
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  Speaker 3: going to want to fuck. And so it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 3: that he doesn't fuck her, but you got to take
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  Speaker 3: five minutes to to show me what their connection is.
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  Speaker 3: And this just said to me, they're relying on the
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  Speaker 3: fact that guys will fuck anyone. They're relying on the
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  Speaker 3: fact that I don't like to sound like my origins
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  Speaker 3: of a hotel, but are they relying on the fact
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  Speaker 3: that like this black guy will fuck this non-black woman
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  Speaker 3: with long hair who's thin and like that's just default
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  Speaker 3: beautiful and it doesn't matter how we present her? Are
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  Speaker 3: we supposed to pretend that this nigga does not have
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  Speaker 3: the most symmetrical fucking face in the city? You know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? Like, are we supposed to pretend? And
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  Speaker 3: I understand that he was raised to be this kind
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  Speaker 3: of like, you know, he's a nerd.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And in his field, he is the fucking nerd of
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  Speaker 3: that field. He's he's socially awkward because he has been
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  Speaker 3: so intensely trained in what it is that he was
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  Speaker 3: raised to do. So I understand that that can come
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  Speaker 3: with like, does he not know that he's hot? He
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  Speaker 3: has not had time to get into all that stuff
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  Speaker 3: or whatever. So I could accept a little bit of that,
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  Speaker 3: like social awkwardness. It's no way that that guy follows
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  Speaker 3: her to her car. And fucks her like that. It
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  Speaker 3: just doesn't, I just, I personally, I don't see it
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  Speaker 3: without giving me the five minutes to where she was
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  Speaker 3: like fully in all of her riz. Like she gave
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  Speaker 3: us nothing but like, you want to walk me to
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  Speaker 3: my car? And he just does the fuck. So, so
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  Speaker 3: later on, they try and build this connection. Like, oh, they're,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the two people of color in this town. Okay, cool. I'm, I'm, I'm,
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  Speaker 3: I'm buying what you're picking up down, putting down a
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  Speaker 3: little bit. But to see it again as if they
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  Speaker 3: had this intense connection and as if it's just really
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  Speaker 3: fucking weird to me. It's fucking weird a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, that for me is one of the
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  Speaker 3: things that, like, I really am really fucking with everything
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  Speaker 3: else that's happening in this series. But I really wish
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  Speaker 3: that they would have taken five minutes to explain to
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  Speaker 3: me why the hottest guy in this fucking town... is
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  Speaker 3: having sex with this older woman who, again, beautiful woman,
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  Speaker 3: but she was like, you know, had a rough fucking day,
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  Speaker 3: whatever day that was. She had a rough fucking day.
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  Speaker 3: She's at the bar. The lighting is not great.
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  Speaker 5: Nope.
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  Speaker 3: Pulling the hottest guy off of a line, off of
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  Speaker 3: a nothing burger pickup line.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's that hard up to fuck a mommy figure?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely the fuck not. Now, I am actually going to
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  Speaker 3: pull in some Hotep bullshit. This is not something that
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  Speaker 3: I said, but it has been described. An actor and
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  Speaker 3: a fellow cosplayer, I don't know if he wants his
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  Speaker 3: name said on that thing, but he mentioned it on
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  Speaker 3: Facebook that he felt like it was a humiliation ritual, right?
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  Speaker 7: And.
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  Speaker 3: I he felt like it was a humiliation ritual for
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  Speaker 3: Aaron Pierre. And I wanted to put in that if
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  Speaker 3: we're going if we're going there, I would include that
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  Speaker 3: it was humiliating for both of them as actors because
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  Speaker 3: I just wasn't given I wasn't given a reason why
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  Speaker 3: this is happening. Why is this happening? Well, Janisha, I
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  Speaker 3: do feel similar to you just in terms of like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm still confused as why this is happening. Like the initial,
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  Speaker 3: even the initial attraction, I didn't see it was there.
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  Speaker 3: And I understand I'm looking at it through my own lens.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe that's part of the issue of why it's
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  Speaker 3: so hard for me. I can't, I'm not, Jon Stewart,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a man. I'm not all these other things.
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  Speaker 3: So whatever that guiding thread is, I don't have it.
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  Speaker 3: To answer your question earlier, it's Porna Jaganathan who plays
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  Speaker 3: Zoe Macon, the actress. I think one of the paths
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  Speaker 3: that we did mention like early on was that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the whole putting the two people of color together. And
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  Speaker 3: then even in the after show, Aaron Pierre said, oh,
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  Speaker 3: there's this one person who understands me. just speaking on
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  Speaker 3: the aspect of the two characters. And I was just like, well,
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  Speaker 3: what do you mean by that?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Like, cause yeah, she's POC, but she's not black. So
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  Speaker 3: what do you mean by that? So, so it, I
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  Speaker 3: just wanted to jump in and just say, I agree
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  Speaker 3: with you that there is something, there's a major piece missing.
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  Speaker 3: And even if it was less hell, less than five minutes,
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  Speaker 3: even if it was like a 32nd mention or some
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  Speaker 3: type of connecting tissue that would make me believe that
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  Speaker 3: this greater love interest made sense then maybe I wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: feel weird about it to this point. Obviously, after, you know,
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  Speaker 3: getting the space pussy, maybe he... It's some special space
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  Speaker 3: pussy now that we know who Zoe is. Perhaps those effects...
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's drawing pictures of her and all this shit.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know about the after effect. But the
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  Speaker 3: before effect, no idea how this occurred. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if she glamored him. Who knows? And they could have
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: given her a swaggy line or two. Like, just make her,
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  Speaker 3: just show me. She could look exactly how she looked.
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  Speaker 3: Just show me that she's, like, swagged out. And like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, who would say that? Like, it's not that serious.
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  Speaker 3: But I also, like, for the men here, would y'all
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  Speaker 3: fuck anything? You know? No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 5: And I really had to push back against that. And
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  Speaker 5: I mean, and I fully agree with you, Janicia, because
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  Speaker 5: I feel like that, the swaggy line is what usually,
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  Speaker 5: you know, in my days of running around was what
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  Speaker 5: got me. You know, it was like, you say some
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  Speaker 5: wild shit out your mouth, I'm like, word.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: But like, you know, because it shows you got game,
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  Speaker 5: it shows flavor, all that type of stuff. And it
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  Speaker 5: shows a connection between them. And I felt the same way.
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  Speaker 5: And then when she shows up in this episode, I
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  Speaker 5: really was like, Because for one, like you were talking about,
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  Speaker 5: this dude is like, when that man was standing there
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  Speaker 5: with the gat, you know, and he got the curl on,
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  Speaker 5: this nigga fucking arm is like the size of my head.
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  Speaker 5: And it's like, I'm supposed to believe this dude is just,
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  Speaker 5: like you said, running around desperate?
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  Speaker 3: Nah. He went to art school. He went to art school.
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  Speaker 5: At this point, he's a grown man, so it's not
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  Speaker 5: like I can understand if he was an 18-year-old nerd
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  Speaker 5: or something, but no, no. And then beyond that, it's
• 11:36
  Speaker 5: like you're in a situation, you're a military man, and
• 11:39
  Speaker 5: you're in a situation where it's life or death. You're
• 11:41
  Speaker 5: standing at the window with the gun. You're doing the
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  Speaker 5: Malcolm X, as everybody wants to point out, which I'm like, reaching.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god is that what we're pulling on is
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  Speaker 3: that what they're doing i miss.
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  Speaker 5: That very loose threads very loose very loose threads i'm
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  Speaker 5: sorry y'all look just because a brother is sitting at
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  Speaker 5: a window is not malcolm x no i mean that
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  Speaker 5: especially i mean you could say it was martin luther
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  Speaker 5: king if you know your history but not malcolm x
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  Speaker 5: but um when he's waiting for some random woman is
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  Speaker 5: what i'm saying but yeah in a hotel.
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  Speaker 4: That is no, no.
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  Speaker 5: It just felt crazy to me because like you just,
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  Speaker 5: it's the, the situation you're in.
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  Speaker 4: It's not time for that.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it felt like they're trying to make the,
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  Speaker 5: you know, odor and drama and, you know, the, you know,
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  Speaker 5: the danger and now they must have sex.
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  Speaker 3: And it just, nah, it was weird. I just wanted
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  Speaker 3: to also add the, the, the fact like Janisha, you
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  Speaker 3: were trying to say that, you know, you're trying to
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: figure out what it could have been. You know, maybe
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: he was a nerd. He still had that nerd tendency
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  Speaker 3: that no one liked me in high school type shit.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I watched anime. I, he is objectively fine
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  Speaker 3: as fuck. And beyond, beyond the surface, he is men
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  Speaker 3: and women can say that they, and them can say
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  Speaker 3: that beyond, beyond the surface, the character, the character is
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: very stubborn, not just stubborn is very, um, sure of himself.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say that. Right. So, um, If nothing else, and
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  Speaker 3: this has been repeated all... This has been repeated over
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  Speaker 3: and over again. It's been repeated by Sinestro. It's been
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  Speaker 3: repeated by Hal himself. And Hal's just talking to the
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  Speaker 3: mirror at that point, pot calling the kettle black. He
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  Speaker 3: knows about himself. He knows he's that nigga, right? So
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  Speaker 3: I am... I don't buy the line or the potential
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  Speaker 3: thought that, oh, you know, it's just like he has
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  Speaker 3: mommy issues and this and that. He knows he can
• 13:30
  Speaker 3: get whatever he wants. And because he's in the military,
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: he knows how to use certain tactics. Just like how
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  Speaker 3: Zoe is using tactics against him. He can use the
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  Speaker 3: same tactics, too. He has been trained. And that training
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: is overwhelming to me. So I'm just like, nah, I
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: can't because he thinks he's a nerd. It's a missing
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  Speaker 3: piece in the narrative.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if he.
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  Speaker 1: the same way that how's kicking things around in town
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  Speaker 1: to try to figure out like who's aligned with who
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  Speaker 1: she kind of gave him a window in a town
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  Speaker 1: that's hostile to him and like he went to go
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: buy a scope and they was tripping and he had
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  Speaker 1: a stack of money um and it's always been like
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  Speaker 1: a person that's kind he's kind of pumping for information
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  Speaker 1: no pun intended um And this episode literally showed that, like,
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  Speaker 1: when they were sitting there, she's giving him inside details
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  Speaker 1: that Hal isn't even getting. So part of me wonders
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  Speaker 1: if it was, like, strategic. Because, yeah, I mean, men
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  Speaker 1: will fuck anything. I think that is, we have enough
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: history to prove that. Like, the amount of NFL athletes
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: and shit that look great, but we be on Instagram like, damn.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: The same baby.
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  Speaker 1: Mama as him too. So I don't think, like, I don't,
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  Speaker 1: I don't find him being attractive to be any level
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  Speaker 1: of like, well, he would not do it. What I
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: do find is in that same scene that we're talking
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: about in the first episode, he wouldn't drink. So he
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm on duty at the bar, but I
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: got time to beat cheeks in the car. Like, how
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: does that, that's the part that didn't make sense to me.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Would they have four more episodes of, But as of
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: right now, I'm leaning towards, it's the like rated R
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: HBO true detective of it all.
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  Speaker 2: Like they're doing some stuff on this show.
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  Speaker 1: Cause that's just like, we want to make it like
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  Speaker 1: a true detective and a true detective. Your leads always
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: have like a moral gray area. Like they're, Oh, there's
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: a protagonist, but Oh, he's cheating on his wife. Oh,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: this guy's on drugs. Like I feel like they're doing
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: that to, to make it feel more adult. Even the
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: drawing of dude's dick and the right bend. That just
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: felt like a true detective. Like, this is so noir.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: This is so weird.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Isn't it weird that they're all just acting like this?
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Isn't that weird? And so I feel like sometimes they're
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: taking a lot of liberties with the HBO of it all.
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  Speaker 3: The HBO of it all.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's making it a little less logical, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: as far as like getting from point A to Z.
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  Speaker 1: It's like y'all taking a lot of detours just to be.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: Like, here's let's get some nudity in here. OK, here's
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  Speaker 2: a little extra, you know. Oh, they fucking y'all. It's like, OK,
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  Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with the plot, though.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the HBOfication of it, right? And it's unnecessary,
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: because it's actually a really well-written series so far, and
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: it doesn't need the roundabout ways. And the word I
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: was looking for earlier when I was describing Jordan, excuse me, John,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: is arrogant. His level of arrogance behooves me not to
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: believe that it's just, like, he's just doing this because
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: he feels like this is the way. Like, there's something
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: else there. And I was... Sorry, go ahead, Portia. I
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: was just going to say that on the thought of
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: it being strategic, I was going to say that it
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: feels like, because like a lot of, he's in the military.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: He has been shown his whole life to not fear.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: And he shows that he doesn't fear by putting himself
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: through different challenges. His parents have challenged him to do
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: different things. And like Rod said, he came to this
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: small town. He's like looking for an end because he's
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: going to be like the outsider the whole time. And
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: here she is presenting him an N, very easy N.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: In a way, especially him being a sniper, I feel
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: like her stepping to him without any game, that's the game.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: She was able to pull him with no game. So
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: he's over here like, in this situation, this lady is
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: seeing me as prey and she's a predator. I want
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: to see what she's like as I'm being hunted. Let
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: me see what the hunter's trying to put me into. Like,
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: he's like down for the game. Like, this is the game.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: So sure, Like, the looks behind things and, like, the
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: status of, like, having, for better, quote-unquote, pretty privilege or whatever, like,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: that does play a role in, like, power dynamics and
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: relationship and, like, having sex or whatever. But, like... Sure,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: people do think with their, like, genitals. That's real. And
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: that can, again, be, like, the foible that his character
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: trait that he has. Like, oh, that's his flaws. He
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: thinks with his pants. He doesn't think too much about it.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: If he has the in, he'll take it. Or he's going.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: But I think he's specifically going for her because he
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: feels the setup. She's, like, she's actively... She's around people
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: she knows. She could be chatting up with anybody. And
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: she tells him that he's enticing to her because he is, like,
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: from out of town, basically. And she's playing, like, that angle.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: But again, it's like, if you're... He's a sniper. He's
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: used to what it feels like when somebody sets their
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: sights on you. And.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: There's a reason why he's willing to play along with
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: it from the beginning. I think it makes a lot
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: more sense in this episode why he is where he
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: is and why he allows for her walking up to
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: the door and him to proceed for them to have
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: sex or whatever in this episode. But from the beginning,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: I think it's one of those, like, let me see
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: where this is going kind of things. And I think
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: people have been joking about him being into birds in
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: that double entendre. And I can kind of see that too. But...
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: i think sometimes you like the mystery i think sometimes
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: like okay i may not feel like this person is
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: like the like oh my god i have to get
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: down with them right now like but sometimes just go
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: along with the thing because it's like what else am
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: i doing like what else was he doing in that
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: moment it's that's fair but but okay another question was
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: that the that initial sex scene in the earlier episode
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Was it hot?
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: No. And I thought that was a choice. Okay, tell
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: me more about that. Because it's not sexy sex.
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: It wasn't.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: He was kind of just sitting there. And I was like, yeah,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: these are too hot people. And normally when you get
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: too hot, it's that furious, passionate, like, oh my God,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: they couldn't keep their.
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Hands off me.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: It wasn't really sexy sex dog.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: And, and then even in this scene this week, they
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: didn't really show a lot of the sex stuff.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: It got a little hotter, but.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like, I don't know, like, I've seen True Detective,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: when they want to go there, they absolutely fucking go there.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: And they're not going there like that in this show.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Could be maybe DC don't want their characters doing that,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: but I just don't.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: I doubt that.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's what I'm wondering. What is the
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: reason for that choice? Because, okay, all of that and
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: everything Portia said is very... That actually makes a lot
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: of sense. But there are some choices being made here
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: that are weird. You know what I mean? That are weird...
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: and are not steering me as someone who looks through,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: you know, a discerning eye that exists in the world
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: as a Black person. It just looks.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Do you watch True Detective?
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: I don't watch True Detective. I hear what you're saying,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: but I'm trying to understand what would the choice be.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: It's literally just, I watch True Detective and they do
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of weird shit on there to be weird.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, to be weird.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: The gold. Just the same people.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Some shit at the end of True Detective doesn't narratively
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: get wrapped up because they just be like.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Wasn't that weird? I'm not big into that to be honest,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: but Some of this feels like that.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: They do have four episodes to make these things matter more,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: but I'm, I'm wondering if some of these things won't
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: matter to the plot as much because they're like, what?
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: That was just like a cool scene. Remember when you
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: like fucked her in the car? I'm like, yeah, I
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: don't know, bro.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: I want to, I want to say something on that
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: because a couple of things that one J you said
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: you were talking about the humiliation ritual, which is, Interesting,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: but then when you take this episode, that's what I
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: would consider a real humiliation ritual for Aaron Pierre if,
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: you know, such a thing exists is when he has
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: to sit there and draw a picture of a white
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: man's dick. And, like, my first thought of that was
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: just egregious. Like, I didn't get the point. And it
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: was silly to a point because it's like, This dude
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: is standing there with his dick out. None of his
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: dudes react. He's like, oh, what type of art supplies
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: do we need? We just got them all over there.
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: We got oil paints. We got finger paints.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, charcoal.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Here you go.
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: We got that, fam. Like, this is a regular occurrence.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: This man takes his shirt off and has people, you know,
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: do art portraits of him. Like, it's... That's what I'm saying.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: It felt silly if that's the case. And other than that,
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: it feels like, you know, they're trying to establish the
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: power dynamics. But that's such a silly way of doing
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: it again because... Yeah, it just felt like... And that's
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: something I don't feel like it should be touched again.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: That felt like Tarantino-esque, where it's like they bring the
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: gimp out type thing, you know?
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: And it's just like, what in the fuck?
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: You know, what is this about?
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, move on and never really mention
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: it again. So that's... Yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, I... Go ahead. Sorry.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Unnecessary.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: I just want to tap on the humiliation ritual again.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Because honestly, when I saw... It was... I don't know
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: if y'all know Bill Johnson. He's a cosplayer in New York.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: But like... And an actor. But... When I first saw that,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I was like, this again? Humiliation ritual? Come on. And
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: not because I don't believe that people do weird and
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: evil things, but I believe that it's so not unintentional,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: but just passive. This is just how we exist and
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: this is just how we treat those people. And it's
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: fucking humiliating, right? But I think that your point about
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: To this episode's humiliation ritual of, oh, here, draw this guy.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: His dick is out for no fucking reason. That's weird.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: I think it builds the case for this. So, you
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? I think it makes it like, oh, shit. Oh,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: that is kind of what's going on. And it doesn't
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: humiliation ritual. It doesn't have to be like. this sinister
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: group of white men deciding here are the three humiliation
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: rituals we're going to put in. But that type of
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: behavior is so built within the constructs of how we
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: treat one another in this society. And by one another,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, how a toxic white society treats everyone else,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: it's woven in that, you know, people are like, oh,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: this will be cool, this will work, this will whatever,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: because that's just how we treat these people. And it's humiliating.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: This is interesting towards both of you saying, really what
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: everybody has been saying. Geeta Vasant Patel, who directed this
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: episode at the after show, she said that The whole
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: naked Marlboro Man scene was because that was to show
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: a display of power, you know, to show that Macon
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: doesn't really care about none of this shit. You know,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: he he knows all and he don't give a fuck. Right.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: But it goes back to what Rob was saying was like,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: did it have to be like that? And could it
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: have been expressed any other way besides just doing that?
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Like I felt a level of being like, even though
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: it's clear, like the workers or his people, his henchmen
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: are not reacting. It's still weird to them. Everyone in
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: the room is feeling a type of way. The only
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: person who's like physically reacting is how he's like, he's like,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: what the fuck bro? Like, so, um, I, I.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Know Rod, you know, you've worked in rooms and I
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: had one, you know, major experience working in a room
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: on American Gods. And there was moments in there with,
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: you know, a room full of, all the writers of
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: color were staff writers. All the executives were white. And
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: there was a lot, or not a lot, but a
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: few times where well-meaning, left-leaning, liberal-type white men would come
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: in with storylines that were wildly disturbing to me as
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: a person of color, as a black man. And I
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: argued all day against them. And the blind spot of
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: them not being able to see how offensive this fucking was...
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: It's so I've told Tatiana the story, but I won't
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: repeat it on air right now because it is so
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: wildly outrageous.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: Like and I'm sitting in this room for eight hours.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: A day being like, yo, this is, you know, not
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: a good look, y'all. And being overvoted every time and
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: then be like, oh, well, it's cool.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Luckily for me on Game Theory, Bomani's black and then
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: James is black. And so they had enough power at
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the top to put a kibosh on pretty much anything
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that was that fucked up. But it's weird to me
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: because what I think, if there's a, I don't want
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to say a mistake, they have four episodes to go.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: And I like the series a lot, to be honest.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: But if anything was a detour, I think it's episode
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: three being so black. if the if the rest of
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the series isn't considering the black lens of episode three
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: it's hard to go back to just like and now
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: white man has his dick out without being like hey
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: is this a commentary of some type because you know
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: there's another layer way to look at it or that
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: is oh, they're making a commentary on whiteness. This white
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: man is so unthreatening and arrogant, too, in his own way.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: He wants this dude to draw his dick. He wants
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: his brown wife to watch. There's commentaries there in reading
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: it that could be them saying to us, the audience, no,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: we see it.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: You should be uncomfortable.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: We didn't like the show of eight episodes of comfort
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: for anyone. We wrote a show of y'all should be
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: skeeved out and weirded out by these motherfuckers. What, what,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: what the part that was weird to me in that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: scene is like, you just shot Hal and put him
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: in a hospital last week.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Now you just beat these niggas up. You got super.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Space weapons and shit that, that somehow fucking, they couldn't
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: even use the ring to fight back and all this.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: You just, yay.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Like they wake up, And I'm like, so is they
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: about to kill him? And they like, nah, draw my dick, bro.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: And I'm just sitting the ring on the, I'm just
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: going to sit the ring on the desk. Like, I
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: just don't understand the motivations for that character.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: And for me, him being a white man is not accomplishing.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: It's not all encompassing enough that I'm like, It's just
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: how white men are.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: They do shit like this all the time. Like, no,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: this was weird even for a white man.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: How was a white man? I was like, what the
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: fuck is you.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Doing, bro? So, like, for me, I think the reveal
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: of the episode is what puts it into context and
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: a greater context because we know now that Zoe is
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: actually the real one with power in this room. She's
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: the Manhunter. Is she though? Okay, but let's put it
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: from there.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: That's the allegations.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: But in the after show, they confirmed.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: Okay, they did.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't watch the after show.
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: I don't believe that shit.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: We're using the lens that Zoe is the lioness.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: They could lie, that's true.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: I've been feeling everything is a lie in this show.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: Yes, and that's the theme of the episode.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Everyone's lying. Everybody's lying. Everything's a lie. But if Zoe
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: is the actual person with power in this room, and
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: your question is, okay, we're doing all of this for what?
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: For the white man's ego? It is kind of for
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: the white man's ego because it's like, she's telling him,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: you be the representative of my power in this territory.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: I don't want to be involved with the maintenance of
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: making sure that I'm safe. You do all of that.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: You make sure they take care of the enforcement. You
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: use your white power to make sure that I don't
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: have to deal with any of this unnecessary bullshit. I'm
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: going to create a whole separate slaughterhouse system and make
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: a freaking decoy so that I don't deal with anybody
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: coming to near me on that range either. I'm just
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: going to show up and do what I want to
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: do whenever I feel like doing it. So I had
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: sex with the first brown man that's come to this
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: community in decades. Guess what? And you're going to deal
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: with it. And he has to deal with it, but
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: he's like, okay, yeah, I'll deal with it. But also
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna make him draw my dick and like this
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: is like so he was showing out i bet i
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: could now that i can understand pettiness is a very
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: human human trait so i.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Was because i was like when you first started i
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: was like is this implying they had a conversation at
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: some point where she was like yeah then make them
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: draw your dick okay i'm in charge but you see
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: i'm gonna act like i want to leave bring me
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: back in the room yeah okay.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: Remember when we were always, well, I had said that,
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: you know, do they have some type of arrangement or whatever?
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: And it was explained like, Zoe had explained that to John. Like,
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: you know, yeah, we're together, but, you know, we kind
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: of do what we want to do. So that is
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: a level of pettiness there. Like, I always feel like
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: when people say they have those arrangements, they don't. There's
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: always somebody who doesn't fully accept it for whatever reasons, right?
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: And racism could be a reason why you don't really
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: fully accept it. It could be anything, right? Ego, all
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: of that shit. She didn't let them watch.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: You know, they like that.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: There you go. So I just feel like thinking about
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: it from that lens, one of my notes is I
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: think the episode being called The Weenie is very apropos
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: because I feel like this is that weenie of an episode.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: It's probably my least favorite episode of the season so far.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: It did nothing for.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Me, really.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I was just like, okay, like narratively, I guess we
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: get a couple of new points, but I just continue
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: to feel as if everyone here is lying. Like, I
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: don't really feel like it gave me too much this episode,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: especially after how much I enjoyed the last episode. Two,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I just want to note that Hal being uncomfortable and
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: actually noting that he'd been on a planet full of
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: tentacles before, which if you read enough Smut or know
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: enough about Smut romance and stuff, you know that... A
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: tentacle planet is basically a planet of penises. Like, that's just...
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: All it is is wingies. Yes. Clinging all the time.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Doing things.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: So, for Hal to be like, I'm more disturbed by
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: another white man's penis than I am about a tentacle planet. Like,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: that is... Like, that was weird to me even more. Well,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I think he.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: One, if we had a flashback, Hal was probably just
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: as disturbed by those tentacles.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: He'd be over the top with the way he'd be talking.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: There's no way he was on that planet and cool
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: with them.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: No, he wasn't. He wasn't.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: He was saying wild shit then. Right, right, right. But
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: I think he was just trying to point out the weirdness.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: All the slurs coming out. Correct. He was using hyperbole.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I 100% expected him to wake up tied
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: up or something. I did not, like... I mean, once again,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: it could be the true detective of it all.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: That was weird. It's like, oh, the response you're expecting.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: Our heroes wake up. They're in peril. No, they wake up.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: They need to draw a dick. And then the sheriff
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: can walk them out with the ring. And everybody's going
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: to be cool with it. A week after they put.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: This thing in the hospital. It's just kind of like,
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: that's the reaction. Last week, it was like, don't step
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: on my land. Blow.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: This week is like, go and take your ring.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Get out of here, man. Right. Because she's in power.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: It's because Zoe actually has the power behind it all.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Like he was able to get away with doing the
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: pop shot, but he, she, whenever it came down to
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: the call of like, what are we actually going to
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: do with these two people once we capture them? And
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: she's like, let them go. He's like, well, I'm not
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: going to let them go without being weird first. Yeah,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: I think here's the thing. What I was thinking from
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: the beginning that the plan of tunneling in was implausible
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: to begin with, not because you can't obviously you can
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: construct anything with the ring, but because I knew what
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: it was when y'all signed up, like y'all knew this
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: is a place where they have special technology or you
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: posited that they had some special technology. You've seen wild
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: shit happen. You've seen. fucking things come down from space already.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: And then you said, you know what, we're going to
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: tunnel in. There's no way that they would notice. I
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: just feel like it was, you wouldn't think that they
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: had thought of everything like tunneling and tunneling is not
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: a quiet act. Like maybe if you get low enough, maybe,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: but like, you know how they made the tunnel to
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: go between New York and Holland tunnel. That's not quiet.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: It's very loud. Right. And, I just didn't understand how
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: that was supposed to work. And then you get away
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: with it. It's kind of like a Looney Tunes thing almost.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: And that's what bothered me about it. It was very
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: kind of coyote, roadrunner type thing. Like, oh, I'm going
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: to tunnel under you and then pop up. And, you know,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I'm going to surprise you. Like, as if they wouldn't know.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: It just.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: And the whole thing, the MacGuffin of stepping on the,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: you know, the secret trap door, like to set off
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: the alarms. I was like, all right, whatever. But I,
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. It just, it was something off about it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: And I kind of keep gravitating towards Rod saying about like,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: just throwing weird shit in for the sake of it. Yeah.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: It's just, yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, I loved a lot about this episode to
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: be honest, but these, these were not the things I loved.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Like I was like, this is weird.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Y'all got four episodes to make this make sense.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Cause like, You know, I try not to judge a
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: show on some like this doesn't make sense in the moment,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: especially a mystery, a true detective mystery. It's almost futile
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: to be like, oh, this doesn't make sense.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: It's not supposed to.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: It's literally supposed we doing exactly what we supposed to
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: be doing right here. Yeah.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: What does that mean? What does that mean?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what the show is and hopefully if we
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: get to the end we will have gotten some answers
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: satisfactory or not this is what this all meant this
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: whole time but the speculation is the best part right
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: this week the week between episodes of yeah what was
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: that shit so I'm with y'all on that but there's
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: other stuff in this that I thought they did well
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: that or at least to me that was like what
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: I thought the show would be talk about that Rod
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I love Sinestro and Hal talking That shit was like
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: as a cold open of just 10 minutes of two
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: niggas talking to each other.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: I was glued to my fuck. I was leaned up.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: I was like, what's going on with this?
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And I think there's this theme that's happening. And the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: last episode included like of obedience being like John, like John,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: like John need to learn.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Like John, I think we as black people rooting for John.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: He black.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Also there's like john ain't really him yet because john
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: is not comfortable really bucking authority he did it a
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: little bit this week and i was like okay so
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: you not just gonna just do everything these motherfuckers say
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: without questioning because they asked him to do some dirty
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: shit this week and the way they've been writing that
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: character i was like is he gonna just take the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: ring from how because i mean that's what they told
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: him to do he don't feel a way about that's
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: kind of like for them to be so righteous He
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: don't feel like a way about, like, we giving you
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: a class and you supposed to have graduated to the ring,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: but you.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Just take the shit.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Fuck it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Like, I appreciated that he questioned that.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: And simultaneously, I appreciate Hal's questioning Sinestro as well. Like, Sinestro,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I was like, y'all are too chummy for me to
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: feel like what Sinestro did was all the way wrong.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Whatever he did. I feel like he had a point
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and he just went too far. Cause that's how they
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: was talking. Like he wasn't talking like, man, fuck you, dude.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: You know what you, he was talking like, You see
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, player? They got Jon Stewart on your
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: ass now, don't they?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: How do you know about that? Oh, I know, nigga.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I trained you.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: I know you. Do what I did.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, and then I thought Hal
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: was going to basically do what Sinestro put him up to,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: but Hal was still being a dick to Jon when
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: he got back, so I was like, maybe he don't
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: got it all the way in him.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I enjoyed the intrigue of that.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I thought they nailed that, and I'm in it for
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, because the Lantern lore.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: is fascinating.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: And in a grounded series like this, sometimes they almost
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: have disdain for that kind of like spacefaring, the politics
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: of the Guardians and all that.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, don't give me just a hick town, bro.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I need all that shit. And I felt like we
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: got more.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: No, I think we're going to get more on that.
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: Just real quick, one thing I just wanted to add
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: on that was the line Sinestro says when he says,
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: I was never anything but myself. I felt like that
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: was one of the most important lines.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: Of the episode. Mm-hmm.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Because he's probably the only person in this episode who
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: is never anything but himself.
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: Everyone else, I feel like.
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the other line was when Hal's talking to John
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: and he's like, who does that remind you of? And
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: John gives the most, like, Aaron Pierre is fucking acting
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: his ass off. In my quick review, I compared him
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: to Wonder Man when Yaya would give these performances when
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: he's a fantastic actor. And then in another scene, he's
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: a terrible actor. And it's, like, the ability to be
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: able to do both of those.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: And when he's like, you know, I guess it was making.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, nigga, you can't lie better than that.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: Like, that was fucking terrible.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: Even Howard was like, damn, you even tried a lot.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: You even tried, nigga.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: And, like, the reveal that how, like, as brash as
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: he is and all the, you know, negativity that comes
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: from that, The reveal that hell is not some bumbling
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: fucking idiot.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: It's important. Like the fact that he was reading John
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: the whole time to like, yeah, bro, I just want
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: to see if you was going to lie to me.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: And you did, bro.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not fucking dumb just because I be doing dumb shit.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Them dumb things is on purpose, my nigga. He's essentially
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: like that old.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Nigga that work at your job who just tired of
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: the steps, right? Like, where it's like, you know, you
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: got to send a report and triplicate. And he's like,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: here's a report.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Damn.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: What's the nigga from The Wire who worked in the
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: basement who made the little house? Yes, yes.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: That's Hal. Yeah, he's just like, we can skip all
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: the fucking conference calls, man.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Just get to the shit.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: And that, Hal does a lot of just kick down
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the door as get to the shit.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Get to the point. Yeah, but he's not dumb. No,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: he's never been dumb. And we've communicated that, that Hal's
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: not stupid. I've given the analogy of the drunken master
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: stance where it's just like, You act like you're not
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: all the way there, but you are more lucid and
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: more aware than everybody in the room. Right. And beyond.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: So that's what Hal has always given me. And I
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: wanted to address something you said, Rod, starting backwards, particularly
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: about John and his response or his reaction or non-reaction
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: to his order of taking the ring. He smooth pissed
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: me off. Like, smooth pissed me off. I don't know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: as a black person or as a future villain when
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: I get my powers, why would you not take the chance?
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Why did you not... This is the same thing he
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: did with the Gray Wolf situation. He had maybe two
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: opportunities to take that nigga out and didn't take it.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: He hesitated for whatever reason. And he did the same
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: thing again. Ben, what you about to say?
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely... get back to Janice. I know you
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: had another major point, but that's the thing.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: And this is something I have to address because it's
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: been coming up a lot in the comments. Like people
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: have been like, John is a sucker. He's a military man.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: His family is suckers. They believe this guardian, John does
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: whatever he wants y'all. I mean, we actually got called,
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: you know, like military, uh, I guess.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: You know, because we didn't disagree with John.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: And I had to point out, john has disobeyed not
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: only the guardians but how and everyone like in the
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: flashback okay we see john take the mission without question
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: but when he gets there he does not shoot the
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: dude because he's questioning and then after that he has
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: been disobeying everyone ever since that mission like he doesn't
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: he obeyed a military anymore he damn sure ignored the
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: guardians and In the first episode, he's not reporting back
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: to them. When Hal tells him don't go down to
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: the football field, he immediately goes down. And in this episode, he,
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, straight up disobeys the Guardians. And it's not
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: because he doesn't want the power, because he doesn't trust them.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Everyone is fucking lying to him.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: He says it.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: Everyone is lying to me. I know this Guardian is
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: lying to me. So if I just go by what
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: she's saying, what's going to happen? No, I can't do that.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: I do trust Hal a little bit more than I
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: trust the Guardians. So, I'm going to go with Hal
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: over them right now. But he knows everyone's lying. That's
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: why he didn't do it. So, it's a calculated decision.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Not because he don't want the ring, but because he
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: knows that this ain't the way to the ring. Like,
• 41:26
  Speaker 5: Rob said, this ain't the way you go and recite
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: the oath after you take it off.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: No, niggas die and get the ring off.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: That was shady as fuck, bro.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Like, I thought he was going to do it for
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: a second.
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: I was really.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: I was really going to judge the shit out of.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: This nigga if he would have been like, I was like,
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: what the fuck are you doing? That's not how you.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Get the ring.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: You know it.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: No, of course, yeah. I was over here like, do it.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Whisper it.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: I was like, do it. I'm whispering right now what
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: you're doing.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Whisper it. It's yours. Enough. And let me be clear,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't think he was a sucker. None of that shit.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't think none of that. So I agree with
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: you on that, Ben. I was more on the wave
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: of Genesia. Just, you know, I'm chaotic like that. I'm like,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: just fucking do it. Just try it and see what
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: the fuck happens. Y'all niggas been lying. What's another fucking lie?
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: Y'all niggas don't trust each other.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: How do y'all think y'all would have felt about him
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: as a protagonist if he would have did it? Because
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I'm imagining the scene in my head of him rushing
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: through that.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: That thing it didn't have it like give me.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: The ring back it's like it's my ring like I'm
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: like damn am I rooting for this or am I
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: like yo you got a shady nigga now but my
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: thing is that the theme of the episode just being
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: everybody's a liar including John Like, he's two-faced, too. The
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: way he talks, and that was so funny when that
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: engineer played the playback of the conversation with Linnea, or Liana, sorry.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: He was like, oh, that nigga old, and, you know,
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: he washed, right? Like, just speaking on him dirty, and
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: then the next minute, you know, when he's hearing the playback,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: he was like, ah, shit, I'm sorry I said that. Like, he, like... Like,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: he's playing the role. He's playing both sides of the situation.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: All lies aren't equal, though, right?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Like, so, like, there's certain lies you keep where I'm like, oh,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: you a bad person. There's certain, like, if you're trying
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: to protect your family. Spider-Man lies all the time, right?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, no, nigga, I'm not Peter Parker. And
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: you're like, okay, you doing that because you love people.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: But if you lie like, I just want this ring
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: and I'm just, whatever I got to do to get
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: the ring, I'm going to just do it.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I just wonder if we'd.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Be able to hold in another reality where they wrote
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: that scene.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Are we here on Monday like, yo, John.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: Got a wild boy. Yeah, I think that I would
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: be okay with it because this show has been really
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: good with showing the... I guess duality is a weird word,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: but people be racist, right? Hal is likable. He's smart.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: He's fun. I'd have a beer with him. Well, not
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: knowing that I know he's racist, but you know, easy
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: to have a beer with or whatever. He also says
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: racist stuff, does racist stuff. You know what I'm saying?
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: And so knowing that, right, knowing that, I would have
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: been okay with him taking the ring. You know, he's
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: the racist coworker who nobody knows is microaggressing all day
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: in every situation. And so it's really hard to translate
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: that to other people. People like, well, what happened? But
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: what do they do? What do you mean? You know
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? But you're living with this person who,
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: microaggressing at every fucking turn. So personally for me, I
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: would have been okay with it because, you know, fuck
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: that guy. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: share the same personal level, personal value of like, absolutely
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: do that shit. You know, fuck that nigga. At the
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: same time, from a straight mechanical logic perspective, that's the
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: narrative you gave me. The narrative you gave me was,
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: John has been built for this since he was five
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: years old. He was told, what do we call him?
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: The space messiah. Like, this is your destiny. And regardless
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: of if he's just lying to people, he keeps repeating
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: the mantra. You're a human. After a while, when you
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: keep repeating shit, you're going to believe it. So if
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: he did do that, I'd be like, well, the nigga
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: said he was going to take it. The nigga said
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: the ring was his. why not it wouldn't have felt
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: wrong at all and i don't i don't want people
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: to say well he has the integrity no he fucking
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: doesn't then you express over and over again where the
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: integrity was not fucking there he didn't have integrity when
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: he was fucking the fucking manhunter like come on guys
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: like it just would not it wouldn't it still would
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: make sense to answer your question rod if they did
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: write it that way that he took it.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I just feel like we'd have a different conversation on
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: a bunch of different blowback where it would just be
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: other people upset like Like, well, I don't want to
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: root for this guy now. He's, you know, like, what's
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: the Guardians thing? They like that he did that shit
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: just because they told him to do that shit. That's,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: you know, so I would I think that once again,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: that's what I like about these discussions, because I just
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: feel like writers make choices and then we talk about
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: the choices. And it's fun in my mind to think
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: of like, yeah, what if they did do that? Well,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: how would I feel? Like, cause I didn't want him
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: to give the ring back. I, and I felt like
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: the step on the plate thing was, uh, an acknowledgement
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: of the show going, yeah, we are going to pause it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: So you don't know.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Would he have given the ring back? Or was he
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: going to keep the ring?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: He says he wasn't going to, but he's been lying
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: all week. So maybe he was going to keep that shit.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed that moral quandary. And they're teasing it out, obviously.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, man, if he would have straight up ganked
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: that ring, I don't know, man.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: It would have been so titillating. It would have been lit.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: For me, I just think that the whole guardian thing
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: is in question. I feel like everyone is lying. Is
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: this person who's calling themselves a guardian actually a guardian?
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: If they were a guardian, why would they keep telling
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: this man that the only way for him to get
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: a ring is to take someone else's ring? That does
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: not make sense. And so for me, I think I
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: don't care about John's choices here. I really don't. Because
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: for me, it's more the mystery of it all is like,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: what is actually happening here? What are we actually allowing
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: ourselves to be misdirected into paying attention to when we
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: really need to be paying attention to X, Y, Z?
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: We're looking at freaking ABC. No, that's the wrong side
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: of the alphabet. We need to look over here. So
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: that's where my questions have been lying most of the time.
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: to get back to Sinestro before we pop too far
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: away from him. I think it's interesting. And I think, again,
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: everyone's lying. But also Sinestro says, I've been exactly who
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: I am this whole time. You just chose not to
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: see it. Be careful not to do that with John.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: So for me, my question is, are you trying to
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: tell me? Because Sinestro's point is that even while isolated
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: in this prison, he somehow got word that, about John
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: being the trainee of Hal. Mm-hmm. Okay, I don't really
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: believe that. What I actually believe is probably more probable is,
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: like Ben was saying earlier, you see how they hemmed
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: me up, I got thought about, like, how do you
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: think they're doing you? And so what I think is
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: more probable is that if Hal was Sinestro's trainee... then
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: Sinesha probably knew who got called to get that ring
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: that Hal finally ended up with before Hal did. So
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: he probably knew about the existence of Jon Stewart Sr.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: and about Junior, therefore then. So the idea of him
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: knowing about Jon being on the list of people who
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: would pop up if they wanted to get rid of
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: the threat, as Hal mentions later. Like, who serves... Because
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: when he's saying that, when he's describing how power works
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: in the car with John and what he's noticing, you think, okay,
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: he's talking about the Manhunter, but he's also talking about
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: the Guardians. He's like, who sounds like that to you?
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: To me, the first person that comes out to is
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: the Guardians. So when... John makes his mistake of showing
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: that he's lying. I don't think it's simply because of
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: the Manhunter situation. I think it's because he's also realizing
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: how much he can't trust the Guardians. He's already having
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: a moment where he didn't really... He's not following their orders.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: He has his parents basically being his handlers. Did you
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: make that phone call yet? Did you go to the
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: pay phone? So I think that what's going on here,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: there's more ties to the question of the Guardians and
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: what's going on with them.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: And.
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: I think Sinestro has known that Hal's always been in
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: a position of there's going to always be someone to
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: take his place. There's a contingency plan, and he knew
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: exactly who that contingency plan was. And so for me,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: I just have a lot of questions about What's happening here?
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: And it was a violation of Hal's oath to even
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: go talk to Sinestra.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Correct. Crazy. Apparently.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was wild.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: And for information that is extremely pertinent to what they're
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: trying to solve, this nigga does know stuff about the Manhunters.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: He does know.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: He had put together, okay, so this crash landing with
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: the ring shit, you would have known. And the Guardians
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: is like, yeah, you can't even be a Green Lantern
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: no more.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: Fuck the plan.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: We need to take your ring immediately. Why do you
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: want to disempower this man now? Like this moment. You
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: had a plan of succession. Now you just want to
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: steal it. Like I said, John's instincts to not do
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: it made me like him more, not less. I say
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: he's smarter than just, I have power in my hand.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take it immediately. This is a man
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: who sat nine months and grew a beard.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: This is true. Tyler Perry wig.
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: Like, this is a man that got, he got disciplined.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: And if anything, I question and authority was my only
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: real caveat for him.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: I was like, nah, bro, you, if you're going to
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: have the green lantern thing, you gotta be the, you
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: gotta be him.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: When you see something is wrong, you just go, that's wrong.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: You don't go, let me run it up the chain
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: at a garden and see what they got to say.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: This was the first week that I was like, Oh, OK,
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: because last week was a lot of following orders, even
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: if it was from a black perspective. It was a
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: lot of like, listen, man, this is what they say
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: you need to be able to do. You got to
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: shoot your own mama app off her head. That's what
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: you got to do. I'm like, that's still following orders.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: You got to show me the part of you that's
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: a hero. It's more heroic to me to see him
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: question authority than to just go along.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I also don't think it's, like, I'm just going to
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: say real quick, I don't think that it's a coincidence
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: that the first time we see him joke in this
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: series is the episode that he questions authority the most
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: in the series. Yes, agreed.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: And on that, like, I also agree with you because,
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: like I said, a lot of people have been saying
• 52:00
  Speaker 5: how he hasn't questioned authority, even though I point out
• 52:02
  Speaker 5: it has been subtle, but he has. But I love
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: that this episode makes it, you know, in your face.
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: And just a few quick things I want to point
• 52:09
  Speaker 5: out that where the Guardian, and I want to say Guardian,
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: That's real important. It's important.
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, their story just makes no sense. One, how the
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: fuck do you not know what happened on that prison? Like,
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: this is Sinestro. This is one of.
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: He killed a guardian.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: You would want to know if this nigga's whispering, if
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: he's thinking in his cell, you'd want to know what
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: he's thinking about.
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: With, irregardless of Hal being there or not, all right?
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: That does not make sense.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: The fact that they tell John that Hal has been
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: filing reports about John makes no sense when we know
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: Hal won't even update the hologram from 2016 or 2006,
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: 10 years ago.
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: So he's not filing reports on John. That was a lie.
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: You know? You're sounding like Maury right now.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: And that's good, though, because when she was like, he's saying, wait,
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: I wrote it down because I was like, he said what?
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: He said that. He said that he's... Oh, no, no, no.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: John did tell Sinestra that he was boring. But anyway... See,
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: it's tricky because the stuff that she said is stuff
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: that he would say.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: But I was like.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: That's a good lie.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: They said Hal hadn't even made that copy of himself
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: in 10 years.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Yes. so like yeah yeah i'm believing he uploading reports
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: like why are you lying to john like i like
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: i said i i hear what y'all saying but if
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: he would took that fucking ring i'm like you a
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: sucker now no you fell for that shit she's obviously
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: a fucking liar i don't like you got like you
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: smart in this i want to root for a smart
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: black man i want to believe right in fucking people's
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: wives for a good reason. I don't want to just
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: think this nigga can't control himself.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: He's just a.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Fucking idiot in town that trusts all the white people
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: in charge.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I just don't want to believe that. Me neither.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: And the joke part portion to me also gave like
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: niggas at work. Cause like you be at work, that's
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: your work. You, and every once in a while, real,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: you crack out.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Like as a person.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: That, that's had, that had a podcast and was the
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: most famous person in my building. And no one knew
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: every once in a while, it will pop out. And
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: I'll be like, Ooh, I don't know this white man
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know him like that. It felt like he
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: gave him because even how I was like, did you
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: just make a joke? It's like, you know what?
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: This boring ass nigga made a joke. Nah, nah. You
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: know what?
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: We could probably drill down there now that I think
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: about it. They probably got some stuff in there.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Portia, I like your theory. I think the theory makes
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: sense and it kind of leads me to, are we
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: saying that Liana is a rogue agent at this point? Yes. 100%.
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: And my last, well, probably not the last one, But
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: one of the other interesting connections and visual themes is
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: I pointed this out before when the cow, when we're
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: in the slaughterhouse and we see the cow walk through
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: the black hole, which seems to be the same type
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: of transport that the dude who sends John to go.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: See Leon uses. So they're both using the same technology, right?
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: And if you freeze frame it, the second before the
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: cow walks through, the black hole and the lights on
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: the ceiling.
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: Form the logo for the Black Lanterns.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: That's not... Yeah, that is not... I was wondering that.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is not, you know, a coinkydink.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: Is that the clip that we saw? Yeah, that's the
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: clip we see in the preview.
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: In the preview shot, they freeze framed it the second
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: before the cow walks out.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: And so you can see that that is clearly... you know,
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: the Black Lanterns.
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: And that's why I said when, so when they're using
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: the same black hole technology, I don't know what the
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: Guardian is.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: You know, I don't.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: That's why I think, okay, I do believe Zoe might
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: be the Manhunt, right? But what the Guardian is or
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: if they are like in the comics, even Leanne, I think,
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: is a rogue Guardian in the comics at one point.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: So the Guardians in general are just like the worst.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean, they're like the Jedi Council, you know,
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: like they are pure trash. and they someone is always
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: going rogue or they're all you know as a unit
• 56:19
  Speaker 5: just being garbage so.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Y'all tell me what the black lanterns what's their deal
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: because i know the yellow but okay well.
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: There's all the different spectrum of the lanterns and once
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: again it seems like we're gonna see this because in
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: the preview and next week we see somebody's eye turn
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: red it might be john and that's a sign of
• 56:37
  Speaker 5: the red lantern when the rage infects them but Jeff
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: Johns was the dude who wrote all these different colors
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: of the lanterns and like yellow is fear, blue is hope,
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: orange is greed or selfishness, green is will, purple or
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: indigo is like love, right?
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: White is day, black is night. Yeah, white is whack.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: Or darkness.
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we won't get into that part. But this one character,
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: the Black Hand, who starts creating his own... He's a
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: Green Lantern villain, and he gets empowered by this god
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: of death to create the Black Lantern Corps, and he
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: resurrects or makes zombified versions of a lot of people,
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: like Superman, et cetera, I mean, down the line. And
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: it was the series Blackest Night. And some people, because
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: Jeff Gunn has said that it's... all building to something,
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: you know, and the lanterns is a core part of that.
• 57:30
  Speaker 5: So some people think that that might be the big
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: crossover that they are eventually going to build to Blackest Night.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: If it is a Black Lantern situation, that kind of
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: also makes sense because when we're talking about the significance
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: of the colors, Black also means death for those lanterns.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: And the type of weapons that were being used on
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: Macon's Ranch, the darkness weapons. It was literally just nothing.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: It was nothingness that they were getting hit with. And
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: then it disabled the Green Lantern power. So that's why
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, that would make the most sense then. Yeah.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: And then one other thing, because we're doing colors right now,
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of yellow in this episode. Again, when
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: the motel, I didn't notice this before, but the motel
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: sign is yellow at night. It glows yellow when Zoe
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: shows up because she's always surrounded by yellow. when they
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: go into the slaughterhouse before they get to the Black
• 58:22
  Speaker 5: Lantern's room, everything in that bitch is yellow.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: The wires are yellow.
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: The tint, the hue of the scene itself. Yeah, the
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: paint bucket. I mean, the mop and mop is yellow.
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: Everything in there is yellow. So that was, you know,
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: all this type of stuff is intentional.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: Whether or not they're like, I want to say again,
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: that does not mean Zoe is Sinestro's granddaughter. Like some
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: people said, or any of that type thing. It just
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: means that fear is involved in these situations.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: I have a question and I really hope I was
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: not fucking tripping, but I, so I'm asking you guys
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: towards the end, um, when both John and how we're
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: in the car and, you know, they were having that
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: conversation about you lied, um, about, you know, like, you know,
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: you thought that Zoe was a man hunter. I swore.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: I saw the moon moving. Oh, shit. Oh, Like I
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: did not notice that I watched it twice just to
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: make sure. And it looked like it started moving down
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: a quarter of an inch like in the screen because
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: the way this the frame was like a really wide
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: frame of like the countryside. There's nighttime. It was just
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: the road, the car. It was the light post. And
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: that's the moon. And it kind of looked like moon
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: moved a little bit low. I could have been tripping,
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: but someone else, I need y'all to watch it and see,
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: was I fucking tripping or not?
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I was watching.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: Yes, please. And if I was, what the fuck was that?
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Why is this nigga letting him drive his car? That part.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: He can fly.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: He can fly.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Why is he a driver?
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: What is going on?
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: He jumped out the car on you one time. Then
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: he took your front bumper off of your car when
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: you was out of town on a rental, my nigga.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I know you roll with stacks of cash and all
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: that shit, but bro, he's disrespecting your credit score and
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: your good name. And now he done hopped out the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: car on your ass again. This time, if you get
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the ring, you got my permission to whoop his motherfucking.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: Ass because you owe him one, brother. That's a little
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: too much disrespect to me. This is the stuff I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: talk about when I'm like, y'all do silly things. Like,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: y'all purposely do silly writing things because it's like how
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: you get hit with the same trick twice. Like, this
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: happens to John. He got hit. He got jumped like two,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: three times in the same episode. He got hit with
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: a car trick twice. Like, you know, niggas just jumping out.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: He was even, Hal was even like situated the same
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: way with the one arm up. Like, you know, I'm
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: about to jump out this bitch, right? Like it was,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: it was just like, he keeps fucking. There's an element
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: of naivety or naivete, whatever the word is that makes
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: me a little bit uncomfortable when it comes to John,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: because it doesn't feel, it doesn't seem to align. Okay.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: And this kind of goes back to the nerd thing, right?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: So I... And by nerd, I mean, like, not just, like, uncool, but, like,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: he was sheltered from a lot of things because he
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: was busy doing other things, right? And so... I just
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: don't understand someone as skilled as he is as a Marine,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: as a sniper, as a studied person in fearlessness and yada, yada, yada.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Sometimes the way they present him as this young and
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: naive person... The things that he's naive about sometimes are weird.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: I could almost see, aside from the fact that she
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: didn't have any riz, I could almost see him being
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: naive when it comes to dating or sex or whatever.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: I could see that because he was busy doing other stuff, right? Yeah. But,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: you know, naive in situations like this, it's weird. I
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: imagine that he has had to learn how to read people. And, like,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: that's a part of fucking sniping niggas out. It's like,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: you know, knowing when and how to read people. So
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: there are moments where he's naive in this series that
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: feel a little bit weird to me sometimes. It's like
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: sometimes I'm supposed to remember that he's a badass and
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: other times I'm supposed to forget.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Doesn't he also talk about being alone his whole life, too?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: He's talked about that.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: He's talked about.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: They were like, won't you miss your family? That's what
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Liana asked him when she was telling him about it,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: being the Lantern. And he was just like, I've missed
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: them the entire time because he was treated differently. He
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: was separated. So yes, there's that aspect there. But it
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: is what Janisha said is what I've said before. It's
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: frequently at odds with everything else you've been telling me
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: about this guy. So yes, it's great in terms of
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: the banter and the conversation we're having, but it's also
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: just like... what is the real version of John? Who
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: is the real version of John?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: He doesn't know.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: We're on a journey for him to figure out who
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: he is. Because he's been built to be the Green
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: Lantern his whole life. What Hal has been throwing at
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: him is, are you sure you really want this? I
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: don't think you really want this. And he's kind of
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: in this place where he's like going forward with his
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: programming like yeah i do though like everything i've been
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: doing is about this but then at the same time
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: he's slowly picking up the clues of like it's not
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: just how being like a dick or weenie or whatever
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: like i legit like they're everyone's lying to me even
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: the organization of me getting this ring is like it's
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: all something that just makes me feel uncertain like why
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: i'm here but i don't know if i want to
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: do this I don't know if he's being challenged to
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: the question if he actually wants to do it. I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: don't think he's there yet. I think he's just like,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: I'm in the middle of it and I'm going to
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: get forward. I'm going to figure this out. Yeah. So,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: I don't know. His characterization, I think, I really 100%
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: agree with you. Like, their consistency needing to be there behind, like,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: what it is. But I think, when are humans consistent
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: about our, how we react to things? Like, we aren't. Like,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: just as beings, like, we are never consistent. Like, we
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: feel this one way about this one thing this one day,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: then we get over it. We don't feel that way
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: ever about it again. But some things will hold on
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: to you forever. Like, we, who knows? Like, so, I don't,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: As much as I do love whenever the writing makes
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: it all come together, I don't quibble with there being
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: waves of difference because that's human nature.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: So I'm not going to get too bad about it.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: It's also super hard to write what they're writing, which
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: is this idea of him... They're using his emotionlessness as
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: the display that he's fearless. It was an interesting choice
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: that they made at the beginning because it's, you know,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: acting and writing wise.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: He's going to have a moment in the next four episodes.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: We're like, oh, that's where he put all those emotions.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: You know, like clear, like how even says, you know, one,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: somebody might think you suppress it.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Your emotions. Well, he showed it in this episode. He
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: showed it in this episode. When they threatened the orbital
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: strike on their parents.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: And the other thing about it, too, because, like, these
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: are the same parents that he was shooting apples off
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: their heads. And he was supposed, real mastering of fear
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: is that you supposed to be able to shoot.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Your mama, apparently, and you was going to be one
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: of them ones. You could wear the ring if it
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: comes down to it. You fearless.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: You risk your parents' life. But not in that moment.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: He was not ready to risk his family's life like that.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: And the performances of Aaron Pierre and Kyle Chandler, to me,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: are both amazing. Because the thing about the Landers is
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: they're all at their core the same as far as
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: the archetype of, like, you got to be fearless. But
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: how it shows up for them is so different. Even
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: the constructs in which how they employ the ring. I
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: don't know that Kyle Chandler could have made that. thing
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: no he couldn't like i don't think he could have
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: like his oh you get it junior like i'm like
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: yeah he should have been like nah you do it
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: you got it because i don't think he can like
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: no even guy gardner when they show his ring in
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: superman it looks more like watery like it's.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: Open flowing or whatever yeah um.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: John shit is meticulous this nigga made a watch you
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: know what i'm saying um so i just i'm really
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: intrigued by it and the moment they had in a
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: car where Hal tells him advice of like, hey, so
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: it is lonely. And to me, both of their performances
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: get lonely. It seems lonely to be a Green Lantern.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Nothing about this feels joyful. John getting the ring just
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: feels like a relief. Not a moment of like graduation
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: and and enjoyment. It seemed like when he get the ring,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: it's going to be like, that's what I was supposed
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: to do. Like finally, you know, it's like, it's like parent,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: you know, as children of immigrants, where.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: It's like, you're going to be a doctor. The only
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: thing you can do from that point is fail to
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: achieve the dream they told you you better have.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: And if you get that ring, it's like, maybe you
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: won't be as or get that degree, you might not
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: get to enjoy it the same way as somebody who
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: was like, I got to pick this path for myself.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: And now I'm a doctor. It's like, no boy, you
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: going to be a doctor. Like, so that's how John,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: it feels. Both of them feel sad and lonely in
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: different ways to me.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: I gotta, I gotta bring something up. And cause one
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: thing that really bothered me this episode. And when I
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: really turned on the guardian was when they were talking
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: to John and they were like, I thought you.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: Was a good Negro, you know, basically.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: Like, your mama told me you was one of the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: good ones.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: And no, you're not.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: You know, you were trash like the rest of them.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: And that really bothered me.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: Sorry, not just like the rest of them, but like
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: your daddy.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: Like your daddy, yeah. Just like your daddy, trash. And
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: so that really bothered me and really turned me against them.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: But then what you were just saying, Rob, maybe, and
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: I'm going to have to ask this question on the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: panel is, Fuck, I didn't want to have to admit it,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: but this show is starting to feel like copaganda, man. Like,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: because it's like the idea that space cops being a
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: good thing and the fact that John isn't, you know,
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: and no one is questioning the police in general and
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: this whole, you know, one of the good ones thing
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 5: and like the fact that that's, but Like you said, Rob,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: maybe that's what we're meant to do.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: I was going.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: To say, propaganda to me presents these things without question.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: I think this whole show is questioning us all. From
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: the guardians to literally the local sheriff, everybody got some
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: great shit. Honestly, to give them credit even, I'll take
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: it because it's kind of like Watchmen. I think it's
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: the opposite of cop again, because our two protagonists were questioning.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they want to be Mr.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: Space Cop. And we're like, nigga, the way you moving
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: like i don't i don't think it's as uh giving
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: us a simple for straightforward like these guys need to
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: solve the problems of the universe and even the way
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: they present how how's brash shit is treated as brash
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: like they're not treating.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: It like But that's what he does, guys.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah. He's the best. He's the lone wolf.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: Because Hal Jordan will solve the case. You know what
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: I mean? Now, they're like, this dude is out of
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: fucking pocket.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: So, like, to me, I don't feel like it's propaganda.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: They got four episodes to prove me wrong, but... Even
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: True Detective was the opposite of cop. Every cop in
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: there is just dirty as fuck.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: And the fucking cases get, quote unquote, solved with question marks,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: which I'm setting myself up now. We get to episode
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: eight and we don't get no satisfying conclusion.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: I'm willing to be like, oh, yeah.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: Because that's what True Detective do, too.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: They be like, we caught the killer. Probably not. But
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: we closed the case. And that's what matters more than anything.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: To cops, is closing the case. That's the thing, too, about, like, cops. Like, it's...
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: So I think, too, the thought, because this is bringing
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: to mind the idea that, like, how Hal is moving
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: is kind of like a hazing ritual, basically, to him.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: And it's like, what is an order or fraternity or
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: whatever without some hazing into it? And that's what, like,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: cops are going to do. And so there's, like, I
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: think what we're getting subtly is every aspect of cophood
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: kind of being, like, questioned from military in the United States. Yes. So, like,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: elite sniper side of that to the sheriff in the
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: town to the militiamen who are on the ranch. Like,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: we're getting every version of cop put under scrutiny in
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: some ways that I enjoy. I didn't really think of
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: it that way. So thanks for adding that to the table,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: like the copaganda and Rod's kind of like, but is
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: it kind of part. I also want to note that
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: one of my questions around this is related to, like,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: I've been, sir, the, I've been served at all because
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: like you were saying, whenever the guardian, like that turned
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: you off and that was, it turned me off to that.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: Like basically what Bernadette's choice and decision for how to
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: train John has created is a rundown of like mental
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: methods of how the guardian can control and use what
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: she's learned from Bernadette to control John. And everyone has
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: been saying from, I forget the name, Anon, from the
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: alien group who are trying to bomb the town for
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: the Manhunter, to Sinestro, to Halim. They've all been saying
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: that you can control Jon. And so there's a lot
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: going on there that I have questions about. But then
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: the Alvin Sir part for me is also, why are we...
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: It's very interesting to me that Hal got the ring
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: from Alvin Sir, But there's like no loyalty there because
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: he was like, I've been Sir King down with the Manhunter.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Like for me, for how to say that was very question.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: I had so many question marks. I'm like, does he
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: not have any sense of loyalty to the person who
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: bestowed upon him the ring?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: And like, why is like.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: that the first time we're learning that the Manhunter wasn't
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: just some, like, like they were in like some air
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: fight or whatever. And Alvin, sir, like kind of crashed
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: to earth in an air fight with the Manhunter. Like, um,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: how basically said to Hector, he was like, if the
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: Manhunter was in, uh, if you were in the plane
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: with Alvin, sir, you would know what the color of Alvin,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: sir was. So, um, The whole thought here is that
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: Abin Sur was in a mix with the Manhunter, who
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: is the greatest, I guess, antagonist of the Guardians, right?
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: So I'm just like, I have so many questions. What
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: are we supposed to be doing with that information? Especially
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: because Abin Sur had the ring before Hal got it.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: So what is that situation? What was that relationship like
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: between Hal and Abin Sur? What? Well, Abin Sur dies quick,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: but the thing is that... But he has, like, memories
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: stored on, like, the ring, right?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: And what we've talked about is why is Sinestro... Why
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 5: did he rebel against the Guardians in the first place?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: And what did Abin Sur find out when he went
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: to pick up the Manhunter?
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: Because, remember, the.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: Manhunter had exterminated Anton.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: That's, dude, his whole family, his whole planet.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: So then this Green Lantern, Abin Sur shows up, picks
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: up the Manhunter... And they were like, Anton was like, yo,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: they didn't even let us know what they were going to.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 3: Do with it.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: And now whether or not something happens where the Manhunter
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: causes Abin Surtur crash or what happened to cause Abin
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: Surtur crash, they crash and then the Manhunter gets out
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: on Earth. But Sinestro, I think what I've, you know,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: my theory is that Sinestro has found out that the
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: Guardians created the Manhunters before the Green Lantern Corps, set
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 5: them out there. They did all this damage, killed all
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: these people. And then the Guardians create the Green Lantern Corps,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 5: tell them to go clean up the Manhunters, but don't
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: explain to anyone that they even created the Manhunters in
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: the first place. So I think Sinestro finds out this
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: and it's like, yo, what the Negro, what? And turns
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: on them. And that's what causes all this. And I
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: think Hal has found out all this too. So Hal
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: knows about this or knows some of it. And that's
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 5: why he kind of sides with Sinestro where he's like, yo,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: this dude's not wrong.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: He might not be right. It's like the kill Margaret situation.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: It's why he goes to ask him for help. That's
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: what Hal did. Hal went out there to get help.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: He went out to go to his daddy to say, Daddy,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: how am I supposed to... deal with this and what's
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: going on. What the fuck is a Manhunter? What should
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: I know about this, right? And just on that conversation
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: that they had, I just wanted to touch on the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: fact that it was actually a refreshing conversation, particularly because
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: everything we had said about Sinestro basically is like, every
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: other nigga is lying. I'm being me. You still could
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: also be lying as well. We know you're working with
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Liana and friends because you're part of the control construct, right?
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: I did love that he told how, like, I don't
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: care now. None of that Manhunter shit. That's your op.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: You need to go smoke him. I love that. And
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: we was talking about John. Um, and just before we
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: move on to the next, like the final point, like
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: just what everyone's been saying, or Ben, you, you positive
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: theory of this being propaganda, Rod, your response to that overall,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: this show is showing you that being a green lantern
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: is dirty work. The entire universe is dirty as fuck.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: And that's an aspect that I personally, like with the
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: little bit of knowledge I do have of this DC
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: character and the stories is that I didn't realize how
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: deep it went. And I think that is potentially, we'll
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: see episode eight, but that's potentially a triumph of what
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: this series is trying to do to show that, one,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: this is not your typical superhero thing where it's just
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: like there are very black and white lines that there's
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: not a lot of in between or ambiguity between people.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: Like there's stuff that we question. We've been questioning every
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: single last person here, including the quote protagonist, right? Or
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: the quote good guy or whatever that person is, right?
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: Like none of this is, all this is meant to
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: make you feel uncomfortable about everyone involved is to make
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: you question everything you thought and are thinking about where
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: the story is going. I do think it's potentially a
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: commentary on cops. Rod, you were speaking to that. And,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: you know, and it's also just like we have the
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: inward commentary, the outward commentary. It's also just like, again,
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: showing how much you can really play with a character
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: that is a comic book character that it's not as
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: straightforward as we've been led to believe, you know, that
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: there's cute shit that's happened over the years with all the,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: you know, the 20 years that we've been seeing quote
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: superhero films and TV, but this is different. This, this,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: this series has moved us in a different way than any,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: I don't remember having conversations like this in most of
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: the shit we've been seeing. So I will say that
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: if anything else they got to get, they meaning that
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: the lanterns team, I want to give them kudos for that.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Even other DC properties like Peacemaker and shit ain't going.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: It feels different from even that.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Completely. I want to touch on, I want
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: to touch on the, uh, one of the good ones
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: kind of, um, thank you.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: Cause yeah, I think.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: That, yeah, I think it might be its own thing.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 3: And I fully understand like all the points that were
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: made about that. And I, right. I love what you
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: said about like all the things that are actually being questioned.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: Like just because you present something doesn't mean that we, that,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: that as a writer or as a creator in these shows,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you're in support of it. You know,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: like even all the, Even all the nuances of toxic
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: whiteness that we see here, it doesn't necessarily mean that
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: they're presenting it like, yeah, we think this is great.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: It's like, no, look, this is what it be. People
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: are weird, you know? But one of the good ones,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: it made me think about episode three and the excitement
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: at the parents, at the possibility that, okay, one of
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: our children is going to be able to potentially... What's
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: the word? Get up out the mud? Get us up
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: out the mud. Get us up out the mud, but
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: not the mud, right? Because I won't go deep into that,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: but they're carrying on the legacy. Like the baton is
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: going forward. Right, but no. One of our Black children
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: is going to be able to, I'm not trying to
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: say transcend race, but is going to be able to transcend.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: Make a generational curse? But we're not the ones that
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: are cursed. One of our children is going to be
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: donned a Green Lantern and not have to navigate... blackness
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: in the way that we are forced to navigate blackness
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: we're not cursed being black is fucking lit you're dope
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: but we are treated a certain way and if you
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: are a cop if you are a doctor if you
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: are a green lantern if you quote unquote make it
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: right if you make it in one of these ways
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: if you become an academic all the things that these
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: revolutionary niggas who are online but then they go and
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: they clock into their jobs and they do what they're
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: told all of the things that they aspire to, okay,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: when they're not online, all of that, that to me,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: that's the one of the good ones thing. Like it's unfortunate,
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: but the reality is in the world, there's the world
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: that we want and then the world that we live in.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: In the world that we live in, Being black in
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: the colonized world is very difficult. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: The things that we have to navigate, not being black,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: but the way that we're treated is fucking whack. And
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: so the excitement is, at the opportunity for one of
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: your children to be able to transcend that experience as
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: an individual, right? And potentially by proximity to that child
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: or their legacy or whatever, be able to navigate the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: world in an easier way. And that means that's the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: very basic things that we all aspire to, having enough
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: financial access to be able to live where and how
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: we want to live. Having access to fucking healthcare. Basic shit. Not, oh,
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: he wants to be white or they want to have
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: with this class. It's not as basic as fucking that.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 3: It's the real material issues that we face as Black
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: people in this country that limit our access to healthcare.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 3: The basic necessities of life. And so that that element
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: of like, oh, he'll be able to be, quote unquote,
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: one of the good ones. Yeah, this class or white
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: folks see it as, oh, he's one of the good ones.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: We see the opportunity to transcend the experience. of existing
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: in a hostile white society so yeah I do think
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: that that element is there but in this series I
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: don't necessarily think it's so intrinsically tied to the copiness
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: of it it's tied to this opportunity that you know
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: even For any of our nerd kids out there, the
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: opportunity when you move from the regular classes to the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: nerd classes and how excited your parents be that now
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: you'd be set on a trajectory to potentially get into,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: you know, get into a better school and this, that
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: or whatever. It's not like, oh, we've arrived and we
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: can ascend into whiteness. It's We've seen how difficult and
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: how whack we are treated when we don't have these
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: quote unquote things that a toxic white society has decided
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: are special. You know what I'm saying? And so that's
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: that I think is important. We can't ignore the material
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: realities of oppression. Yeah, no.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: And I want to add that. And that was such
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: a word.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: That's a word, man. Yeah.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: And I think the potential for copaganda and what John's
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: parents and what John's journey is.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: Are two separate things.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: And that's why I was so offended by what she said,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 5: because like you said, Jay, it's also the fact that
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: she called out his dad. And it's like, his dad
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: should have been fucking Green Lantern. His mom should have
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: been Green Lantern. It's this bullshit ass rules that y'all
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: have that prevented them.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: And when.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: some certain.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: Commentators are quite, or people have been like, Oh, why
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: did the parents do this? Why would they trust this
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: guardian and all that? It's like, again, in this world,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: this woman, this person comes down from space and says,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: your kid could be Michael Jackson. So of course they're
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: going to turn into Joe Jackson.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: Like, you know, it's.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: Like if someone in, in this reality, this is Greenland
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: or like you said, this is a person who's.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: Not getting stopped by the cops. You know what I mean?
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: John is Greenland and driving down the street. Oh shit.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: It's John Stewart. You know, it's not, Oh, shit, nigga,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: get out the car.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: So that is what they are looking at.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: But they are doing that, though. Like, he's in this
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: town and they're like, oh, well, that's a sidekick. So
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: he don't know.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: But see, this the parents don't know that, you know,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: as as that time they're hoping for this not to
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: be the reality.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 3: And and then like, wait, wait, wait. Before you move
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: on to that, before you move on from that.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: I also let's let's be for fucking real. black children
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: and and this is not a uh this is not
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: a monolithic existence as i've gotten older i realized oh
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: i was beaten like a slave but not every black
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: kid was beaten like a slave and my parents weren't
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: even military then at least you had military uh a
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: military dad my my two of my both my grandfather's
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: military but my parents ain't have shit to do with
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: that and so you know i was beat by multiple
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: people regularly right i was beat like a slave And
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 3: so my point is that, and again, while it's not
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: a monolithic experience, there are lots of black children who
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: have had that experience.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: We've been beaten for less.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: We've been abused for less.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: I'm a smart, loving, caring person, but I'm not the
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: fucking president. You know what I'm saying? The abuse, I
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: don't know what the goal was. It does not qualify
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: you to become Michael Jackson. It does not make, it
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 3: does not. Yeah. So these people, black children have been
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: abused for less and i think it's clear in the
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 3: show that even though his parents were very um hard
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 3: with him they were also they also very clearly loved
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: him and it's why we were all fucking offended we
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: should start started talking sideways about his fucking daddy yeah
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: it was intentional i think the writing writers knew that
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: we would be fucking offended or whatever.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: Right reminds me of uh sports parents like like if
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: you've ever seen like a sports parent for a kid
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: who's they who they really think is going to be
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: a professional uh that shit is no fun and games
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: like all the fun that me you and all the
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: other kids had playing sports they don't really have fun
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: playing sports they're the it's a job from them from
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: the time they're a child and it felt like that
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: too and i didn't take it as a representation of
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: every black parent when i saw it i took it
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: as like this shit went to the black parents that
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: would be the LaVar Ball parents. Like, there's plenty of
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: people who also were rejected that wouldn't have ran that
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: shit back.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like, man, get the fuck
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: out of my yard.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the diamonds.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: Bye. I'm good.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: Like, do white people crazy.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: And they just happened to get to, you know, Gary, Indiana,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: Joe and Catherine. And they they was like, boy, you're
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: going to be you're going to be a Green Lantern.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: Your brother Tito, they don't got it.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: And my point about about certain black children being beat
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: for less is that the you know, obviously lots of
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: us were beat. out of anger and ignorance and all
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 3: kinds of things, right?
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: There's an element of these beatings that were also associated
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: with the.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: Hope The hope that.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: You will do well, right?
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: I'm beating you because I love you. I'm beating you
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: to keep you out the fucking, you know, the strip
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: club or whatever is seen as bad. I'm beating you
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: to keep you off the street. I'm beating you to
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: keep you out of jail. I'm beating you, you know,
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: for the discipline so that maybe you'll be this other
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: thing or whatever.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: But, like.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 3: None of us were being beat to potentially be the
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: fucking Green Lantern.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: So it's a big deal. And for all of the
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: kids who were abused and then turned out to be
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: one of the Jacksons or for all the kids who
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: were abused... And then, you know, we're successful as the
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: ball children are. I mean, we knew what the dream was.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: So we're like, are they successful? They're fucking doing great. Okay.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 3: Those kids are doing great. For all of those people,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: there are lots of kids who we didn't become whatever
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: we thought we was going to become or whatever the
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: hope was that we would become when we were being abused.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Or we fucking did. You
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? Or we fucking did. And we're
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: not in.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Jail or we're not whatever.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: So it's just.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: it's not uncommon. Like I just, I think people are
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: being too hard on these parents and they're not connecting
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: with the actual material experience of certain classes of black
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 3: people who don't have access to the things that we need.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's also a commentary on the unseen cost
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: of black excellence and how a lot of this is also, uh,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: us as a society growing, right? Because it, I think
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: it is good that people saw it and went, Oh,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: You know, like, I don't want to live in a
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: world where black people look at it and be like,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: that's how it be to be. Put that heat on
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: his ass.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: Like, no, you should be like, whoa, this is what
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: it take to be the Jackie Robinson of space.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: That might not be an admirable goal.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: In the way that he has to be introduced to
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: trauma to achieve it in that these are the tools
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: that they had to be like, this.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: Is what we think we can get.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: And only because of that episode, it becomes intertwined with
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: white privilege because of how, right?
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: It becomes like, this.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Is what you have to do to a black kid
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: in order to put them in a world with the
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: confidence of a mediocre white man.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: You got to do.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: All this shit just so he could be like, I
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: ain't scared because there's a lot of very real shit
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: that a black child should be scared of that he
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: is not making up. So you almost got to reverse
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: engineer this motherfucker from.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: Introducing all these Scary elements to him so that he
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: can one day hopefully become the white man's successor if
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: he gets the ring and steals it from him when
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: he lets him borrow it for one second.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: That's the dream his parents had. And we would have
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: felt great about it when we saw it on the screen.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 3: I think that's the actual humiliation of witch rule, right?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: It's like, that, like, the guardian saying that to John, like, oh,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: I guess you are, like, your father. I guess your
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: mom is progress. Because, like, she's not just dissing his father.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: She's also dissing his mother. Like, I thought she was
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: doing the work she needed to do. So, both her
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: parents getting dissed in one breath. And, like, what he,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: what is being said there is that, like, you are
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: supposed to be the hope, that you're the hope of
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: the race. Like, you're the, like, you're supposed to be
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: the answer. And, like, he's what is he going to
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: say to that? How is he going to respond? She
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: knows which buttons the press. So the humiliation behind that
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: is like, Now I have to answer, and that's the
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: humiliation that each story of Black excellence is. It's like,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: my people have been downtrodden, disempowered, systematically not resourced, under-resourced,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: under-given everything. And so despite all these things, I'm making something,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: something new is happening for me. And for me to
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: get close to it, for me to just touch it,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: I can't just simply say, get called one day and
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: have the ring like the last person in front of
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: me i have to snatch it i have to go
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: right back to the base things that they call my
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: people all the time they call us thieves they call
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: us all these things they say that we don't deserve
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: anything that we do they say it's affirmative action they
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: say all these things and the humiliation at the end
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: of it all is you're not you don't deserve it
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: you did all these things you still don't deserve it
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: you gotta snatch it actually right he would have went
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: through all that shit just to be a fucking ring
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: thief just to be a thief my third eye is
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: open on that man but the show is telling us
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: that I love it like none of us thinks the
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: guardian is a good person after that scene like we
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: already was borderline when she was like the regular like
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: microaggression racism of like I don't even see race but
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: it's even like it's like very macro oh yeah but
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: here's a huge diamond yeah exactly it was like that
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: first one was like oh she just clueless she ain't
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: from here she don't know it's racist on earth this
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: time she does know She wasn't clueless.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: She showed up.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: As a white lady in the form of a white
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: woman on the purpose.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: I guess what I'm.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: Saying is the commentary we could have the excuse is
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: built in.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, she's an alien. She just saw humans. What
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: the fuck she care about? Does she think we tripping
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: with racism?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Like, really?
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: Y'all tripping over this? Then two weeks later, or two
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: episodes later, she using racism. Like, yeah, nigga, you really
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: not him.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: You really.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: She knows from the beginning.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: And I want to... And I'm glad you... mention that
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: because there were some comments before that said you know
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: people were getting on us when we pointed that out
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: and they said well how should she know she's an
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: alien from outer space I'm like that's the bullshit that
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: they're showing you in this show that you will fall
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: for you don't think as is what I said you
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: do not think that this quote alien that studied us
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: inside and out don't know who can fucking pick it
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: up off Wikipedia because apparently the sheriff could pick up
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: shit off Wikipedia about Sinestro about goddamn Sinestro You're telling
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: me that this one, who, as I know, far as
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: I know, has infinite powers and infinite access, could not
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: understand or figure that out? Come on. That's another reason.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: She came out in the bubble, Doug. Like, what do
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: you mean? That's my thing. They expect for us to do, like,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: this is also, like, a race thing. They expect for
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: us to do all this due diligence. Like, we're supposed
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: to be steeped in white culture in order to make,
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: get ahead, to do well in their systems that they create.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: And.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: Whenever it comes to us, they misstepped. They hung around
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: some Black kids and they thought they could take up
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: the slang. They didn't know they couldn't say it like that.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: That's just the ooh, ooh, oh, oh. They meant well. No,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: we had to be steeped for generations just so that
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: we could be safe. And y'all look at whatever we
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: do and are just like, oh, well, what am I
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: supposed to think about that? It is what it is, whatever.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: And I think for the alien to just come, like
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: you said, she has infinite resources. Why is she not Ultron-ing?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: Why is she not just hooking up to the whatever
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: satellite and then just absorbing all the information and being like, well, shit.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: She did already. She, she, she, they petty. I don't know.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: These are the same people. These are the same people. She's,
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: she's probably the same people who made the man hunters.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 3: Like this is, I said before, this is a dirty
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: fucking universe. This is everybody's on dirty work and the
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 3: levels of the dirty work. are infinite almost so we
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: are seeing that in real time and that's where this
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: show gets real good and where I'm like okay I'm
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: seated because now we're playing around with even from an
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: intergalactic level like fucking we were like oh Marlboro man
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: he's typical white man he was all like Nobody who
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: wasn't born here can be it. He took it another level.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't even know how.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 3: You could be that type. You know what I'm saying? Like,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: this show is bringing it up several different levels. I
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: also want to note that Hal is not just racist.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 3: He's xenophobic. Like, every time he talks about different alien races,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 3: he talks about them denigratingly. He's saying it in a joking,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 3: jocular manner, but he's saying it to make fun of,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 3: punch down on those alien races when that, which to
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: me comes off as like, and you could write it like,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: please do not write off to me. someone feeling uncomfortable
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 3: and so they make a bad joke please don't do
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: that for me because what i'm getting from that is
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: that like he's he goes to these planets he's the
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: one human he keeps bringing up i like whenever he's
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: in a car with um john he was like i
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: he's um john is like there's other guardians i mean
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: other lanterns and he's like well i'm the only human
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: so you can't talk to any other freaking, like, they're guardians,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: lanterns regardless. You can talk to any other lanterns because
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: they're not human. They don't get what you're going through.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: There's no one else. His response is not only steeped
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: in xenophobia, it's steeped in white manning. That is a
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: white man response that no one else is the, I'm
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: the default. Everybody else is on some other shit. Everybody's weird.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: Everybody else is weird. Everybody else's culture is weird. Everybody
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: else's movements don't make sense. So I need to speak
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: of them and move on them as if that needs
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: to be changed or fixed or whatever. Colonization, racism, all
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: this stuff.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like that makes so much sense because I
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: think if John was the lantern, that job, you're going
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: to end up disliking.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: It's like cops.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: You're going to end up disliking the people you police, right?
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: But assuming you got the default correct perspective is a
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: white thing.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: Like they crazy on these other planets.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: They embed that. They embed that in, in cop culture. Like,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: as well, like it is. Yeah.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Like he feels, Hal feels like a cop. Like he
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: feels like a police officer to me.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Cause he's very much like.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: And these motherfuckers had to do that shit on the
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: other planet. These backward savages. Like, Jesus, brother.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: Like, didn't they give you a ring? Like, you don't
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: ever go to the pizza parties with these motherfuckers. It's
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: all just beef all the time. Are you just fake
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: the whole time? Like, you're just fake every time you
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: interact with them. Like, you don't care about anything you
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: say to them. You don't have any actual relationships. You're like,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: I like the planet one. That's my guy, the planet.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: The other lanterns, I don't F with them, but the
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: lantern is a planet. That I can barely talk to.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: That's him. That's my guy. In a very real way,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: this makes me question, and not in a negative way,
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: in a very, like, thoughtful way, it makes me question
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: the integrity of what it means to be a Green Lantern, right? Right.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: The green is meaning willpower, right? Right. And there's nothing
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: inherently bad or good about the aspect of willpower. And
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: that's the point. That's the point. And that's why, like,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: you know, when you see, like, are somebody's good or
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: bad or, you know, are they rogue or not? It's
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: just like, but to whom's perspective? To what perspective?
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: And it's almost like it's not a good system for
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: a police.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: It's not a good system. It's a good system to
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: enforce people to act in one certain way or another.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: It's almost as if it's a very arbitrary.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: The ring just picks motherfuckers and they get all the
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: power on the planet. Yeah.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: Like Hal said, who does that remind you of?
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: Who does that remind you of? Yeah. So through all
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: of that, what we've been saying, my perspective on should
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: Jon have just stolen Reynaud, that would have been cheap.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: That would have been cheap move. Yes, it would have
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: been like, you did all this work just to be like, okay,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: now go steal it like a fucking thief. At the
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: same time... It's.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Because the Guardian told him. I just want to let
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: y'all know, my objection... is to.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 3: The guardian telling him and then him doing it. If
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: he would have did this shit on his own, I
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: would be like, yeah. And that's why I was like,
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: at the same time, my personal view is still fuck
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: Hal Jordan.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Like, if he would have did it on his own,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: I would be like, it'd be like that, Hal.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Like, you've been acting the ass the whole time anyway.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: You should have just gave him the ring. But, like,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: doing it because Dave was like, you not a good nigga.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: Yes, there we go. Nah, bro.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's a hero.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: That's not it.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: That's not it.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: I gotta say this because, like, I did a, you know,
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 5: quick review this morning and we're already getting comments saying
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 5: that we are projecting about the race stuff with the
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 5: Guardians because they're saying the Guardians.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: We're projecting with the three Black writers on the show. Okay.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: Three Black American writers.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, no problem. I've said this before.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: There has never been a time in the history of
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 5: the universe that a Black person has ever had.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 4: To project or, you know, create race things or.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: played a race card these things are all done for
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: us you know there is never a need for me
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: to ever see race in a situation when it's always
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: there you know i'm not the one who created the
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: idea of race you know like it's all.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: One race anyway it's all the human race so y'all
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: created the system to make us think that this is
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: a thing and construct in the first place.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: All analysis is is projection all analysis we're all like
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: taking on some of our life experiences there's whatever white
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: people are reviewing this show they also are projecting like
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: if you're leaving a comment about these people that we're
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: like you looking at my face leaving a comment on
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: youtube you're projecting on the us you don't know me
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: nigga like like this is like we're all doing it
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: so calm the fuck down bro we're enjoying the show
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: to it's not even like we're just shitting on the
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: show cause and that's the thing we're enjoying this we're
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: enjoying the show but we're like these aspects matter too
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: and where are they I want to talk about the
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: tapestry and the paint and the colors that which these
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: artists are painting with. Damon Lindelof has come on this show.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: I gained a new respect for him coming here because
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: I said, oh, he do think about this shit.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: He not, it's not, I'm not projecting. The motherfucker himself
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: is like, yeah, that was, y'all right. That's what I did.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm 100% tapped in.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: If anything, if you upset with this, you not tapped
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: in enough.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: I'm going to paraphrase Toni Morrison. Like, the whole objective
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: of racism is to derail us from the mission, like
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: what we're actually here to do, what we actually want
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: to do. And so having this conversation time after time
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: with folks, in the comments, in real life, however it
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: shows up, where it comes on to be dismissive of
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: our understanding of what's being projected, like the experiences that
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: we've had, but also the things that have been projected
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: onto us, the things that we have to battle in
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: order to exist in this world. It's just why, like,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: why is that even necessary? What is it within you?
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 3: I would, you, the person making these kinds of comments,
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: I think you should question yourself. Just like, just like
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: we're questioning everything that's happening in the story. Why is
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: it important for you to talk to us about why
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: you think that we're doing too much? Why aren't you
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: questioning more? Why is this an opportunity for you to
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: think about, well, I think they're doing a lot, but
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: let me just take a second. and listen to what
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: they're saying. And if I sit and take what they're thinking,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: what would that actually look like? What would I actually
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 3: see if I thought it from that point of view?
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: Maybe I can just do my imagination for five minutes today.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm going to do, which is imagine what they.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Said could be a possibility.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'll do that. And maybe I'll see what happens.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: But I think for me, it's just like, for all
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: of that, I'm saying this, but I also read the stats. Like,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: 56% of all the bullshit on the internet is bot farms.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: So there's a high likelihood that just continuing this, like
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: those little, like what we're getting, they present as human,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: but that's the whole point of being a bot. Like
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: they're just on a server somewhere, just throwing the same
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: bullshit that they do to every person of color who
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: has any question about race on anything. So yeah, For
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: the real humans out there who are really interested in
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: doing the work, and hopefully you're clicking on this video
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: because you want to hear this perspective, because why else
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: would you even be here if you don't want to
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: hear these perspectives? Then please take a moment, take a breath,
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: consider what if this was true? What if this is
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: actually what's happening here?
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: All alien stories are race stories. white people don't want
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: to write about race directly. So they'd be like, the
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: green Martians ate the white Martians.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. Everything's the allegory, bro. Fucking Green Lanterns itself.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: The creation of Jon Stewart as a character is all
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: steeped in this shit. And how can you not see that?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 3: It's not even hidden. The part that gets me is
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: not even hidden. And you still question me. I have
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: said it before. The shit that's been happening for over
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: 500 years is still happening live and live in color
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: the same exact way. There is no embellishment. There is no, oh,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: I could be projecting and making up. It's right there.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: I don't even have to do anything. It just happens.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: But no, it's got to be something else. At some point,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: I stopped saying, oh, do you want to take a
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: step to think about it? There's nothing to think about.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: It's right there. And that's when... towards what you're saying
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: but that's that's the part where like I get to
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: a point where where you are and then I stop
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: I'm like you just willingly don't want to meet me
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: there you willingly don't want to go across the bridge
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: you willingly don't want to see the truth because it's
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: never been hidden from you in the first place I
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: for me where I'm sitting at is that like I
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: just don't have the energy to go back and forth
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: for long I'm gonna be like open your mind, do
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: what you're going to do. Don't open your mind, do
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: what you're going to do. That's not my tea. That's me.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: But I do want to say for the 56% remark
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: as well, I really do hope that we're engaging with
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: fellow humans who are willing to like, please help us
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: beat the 56%. Please be another voice on the internet
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: that is human, that is like working with us against
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: all of that tech BS stuff. Like I don't, I
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: would feel so much better knowing a real human being
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: sat behind just a modicum of thoughts and consideration than
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: engaging with something and being like, All this time, it's
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: been a fucking bot. It's been a bot, which unfortunately
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: is the name of the game on the internet right now.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: Most of the time, and sometimes you can really tell
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: very easily, but most of the time, it's just repeated, regurgitated... racist,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: ridiculous thought that it's just meant to derail. And that,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: that goes back to your original point with the, with
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: the Toni Morrison summarization, just like we cannot be derailed
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: from our real truth and our real purpose of why
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: we're trying to, what we're trying to do. And then
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: just like for the real humans who are engaging with
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: this and having, having difficulty, the real in good, in
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: good faith humans who are still having difficulty understanding this
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: perspective and, Just a reminder that everything in the colonized
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: world is catered to whiteness, like hair care, all the basics,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: all the basics, hair care, skin care, health care, all
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: the basics are catered to whiteness. And that includes... you know,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: day to day, everyday stuff. So like when you listen
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: to a rap song or when we watch, um, you know, there,
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: there are other, there are other films, like as, as
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: the Disney universe has opened up to exploring other cultures,
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: there are things that are not explained that are culturally
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: relevant to whatever culture is being explored that I might
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: watch and see, oh, this is, yeah, this is funny or, oh,
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: I get it, but I'm not getting the full depth
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 3: of it. And someone from that culture is understands the
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: full depth. And for Black folks in the U.S., the
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 3: way that we engage and understand how we are treated, racism, microaggressions,
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: you know, you're not going to get every nuance. So
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: we sit here and we spend time to say, hey,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: this is how it relates to real life and this
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: is what it means and this is what it is.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 3: you know, to say, oh, well, I'm white and I
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: don't see it and I don't understand it. And I
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: understand everything because everything is for me. And so if
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: this is a moment where something where I don't understand,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: then it must not be real and it must not exist.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: I think it's just important to take a moment to
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: understand that that infiltrates everything. everything that's in everything so
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: it would the likelihood would be that you would watch
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: you know five black people talk about blackness talk about
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: how a toxic white society engages with us how we
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 3: engage with the fact it would make sense that you
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: would look and say i've never considered any of that
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: shit that's exactly where you should be that's exactly what
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: you should feel you know um And that's all I
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: have to say to white people today. But I think
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: that that's really important. And that goes for non-Black people
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: of color as well, as somebody who has been blessed
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: to be in community with mostly Black and non-Black POC.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 3: I will say that my experience, especially during the height
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: of the pandemic, during the awakening post the murder of
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: George Floyd, My experience has been mostly with non-Black POC saying,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I didn't know it was like that.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: But we went to college together. You've known me my
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: whole life. But it's because you have also bought into
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: the delusion that my experience is invalid and your Black
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: friends who you claim to love have been exaggerating and
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: you didn't believe me until someone else told you or
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 3: you had to sit home and watch it or whatever.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: So I just want to... Say that the discomfort that
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 3: you're feeling, the wait, what? Wait, what are they saying?
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: That's exactly how you should feel. And to Portia's point,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: consider that the five of us who did not write
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: a script to do this and are all making similar points,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: the five of us know what we're talking about as
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: it relates to how we experience the world, how we're treated,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: and what white people have been doing in the colonized
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 3: world since the beginning of the colonized world. Wow.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: I don't think there could be much more said.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: I did have a couple quick Easter eggs that I
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: noticed in this episode. Hector Hammond, the person that the
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 5: engineer is acting like he is, is a big DC
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: Green Lantern villain. We see him in the Ryan Reynolds movie.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 5: He's in it, and then at the end, he starts
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: to get his enlarged giant head, which is his trademark
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: of having this giant brain and all that.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to see him at all
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: in this universe, which... Maybe not, but that is the
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: backdoor to Gorilla Grodd. Because the way he gets his
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: powers is through that same meteor that Gorilla Grodd touches. And...
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: did not notice Hector Hector actually like basically stands in
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: front of the damn thing and kind of absorbs the
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: radiation and that's how he gets his powers and shit
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: so and I'm and I'm paraphrasing I'm sure it's a
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: little bit more to me but that's what happens.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: That's so amazing they are doing a Grodd spin off
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 5: yes they are and that's what I'm saying why I'm.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: Saying it's a backdoor to it because it's it's the
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: same meteor so that Grodd gets his powers so maybe
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: maybe not it kind of doesn't matter at this point
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: but at least we see that there's potential connecting tissue
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: with the Gorilla Grodd show.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 5: This one I didn't know until I went on to Reddit.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: Might be a big reach, but also might be right
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 5: on point. Issue 185 of Green Lantern is when Jon
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 5: Stewart first debuts and it's his origin story. So when
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 5: Hal says, you know, 185 for his weight, that, you know,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: could be... a tie into that.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: This is less of a Easter egg and more of
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: just like a similarity that I saw. We were talking
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: about like the darkness weapons. It just reminded me a
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: lot of like Death Eaters and Harry Potter and how
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: they move. And it's all darkness and smoke and can't eat.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: And like I said, the whole Black Lantern theory that,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: you know, this is about death. It just kind of
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 3: all and it could just be a coincidence, but it
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: all connected. It's HBO, too. So it's the same. They're
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: saying the same people. Parent company. Yeah. So I had
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: a question about, this is the Easter, it's an Easter egg,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: but I don't know what the answer is where they
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 3: said that like the, whenever he hit the.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 4: Switch with his foot, great movie.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And like, which movie was that? Indiana Jones. Thank you.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: Indiana Jones.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 4: I thought it was Indiana Jones.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: People said set it off because they said set it
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: off right then, but I think that was like black people.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: I saw that too, man. I was like, is this
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: a set it off reference? But that speaks to not being,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: not knowing, you know what I'm saying? The nuances of
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: this film culture. So it was what? Indiana Jones?
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: How I set it off?
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 4: And for Hal to say good movie, that was impressive.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: I was like, yeah.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: You know what? I'm his judge, you white man.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: He watched the Cosby show. He watched the Cosby show.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: Everybody wanted the Cosby show.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: Like I said, we call Hal racist, but Hal's definitely
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: racist in the racism that I grew up with.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: Like where I grew up, like.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 5: Some of my best friend's parents, you know, I talked
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: about last week, they were a bit racist, you know,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: which is.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: How it was. You know what?
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: Hal reminds me of is the white dude that played
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: basketball at the black basketball court.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, God. Yeah.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Even his whole thing about being the only human lantern.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: Is very giving. If you talk to those white dudes,
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: they're cool.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: They feel like they something.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: They cooler than the vast majority of white dudes. Don't
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: get me wrong.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: I love a basketball playing white boy. They are, listen,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: salt of the earth. But- They always overstep into like,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: I know what.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: It's like, man.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: I've been the only white person. I was the minority.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: They are constant habitual line steppers. And it's like, you
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: are not part of this.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: And that's why we say, who gonna check the white
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: boy to your face?
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 2: It's because you do shit like this.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 5: To disrespect the jazz, bro, I lost it.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: I was like, this nigga here.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: But that, again, in terms of Easter eggs or callbacks
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: or even references, the whole jazz thing, with it being
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: Hal in the room, I thought of Hal 3000. I
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: thought of the fact of, you know, you being in
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: whatever the space, obviously, right? Like you just in this...
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 3: room that looks very futuristic very alien like and then
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: you're playing the jazz music because in every and they've
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: been talking about movies throughout this episode and references of
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: movies maybe you know again just another reference of like
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 3: you know when you're in a room like that with
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: that type of music playing it's all bad.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: So hilarious hilarious delivery by the.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: Way hilarious And especially because it was like elevator music jazz,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 5: so I felt it.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: Because I can't stand that shit either.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: It wasn't my shit. It wasn't my shit.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: That shit's whack as fuck.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: I hate that. The fact that it denotated.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: It was an R & B song. It was a jazz... Yeah.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: It was a weird, like, creepy cover. Yeah.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: The fact that.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 3: denoted ominousness to him.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 2: It's so funny to me.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 4: Racism.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, what? Like, when I'm in an elevator
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: and that shit is on, I'm not like, oh, one
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: of these.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: But he's like, black people music. Right, right. At least it.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: Wasn't hip hop.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: I think it would have ran out the room.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: This their kind of music, Junior?
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: You like this? As we close out, just about just,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: you know, what we're going to see the next episode,
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: even just the rest of this series. um the whole
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: i mean just starting on the most first point the
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: whole manhunter zoe thing um she's not dead no yeah yeah.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah well according to them he's not.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: Recording that yeah john let us know because he was
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: he was tripping over his parents but he didn't give
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: a fuck i.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: Think it's up there man i was like whoa that
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: was that what.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: That's one of my, that's one of my thoughts, too,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: is that I think we're going to see, or it's
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: possible that we're going to see more, because we got
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 3: more of, I think the Sinestro scene with Hal is a, like,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: basically foretelling us seeing something similar with... Zoe and John, because, like,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: we saw a portion of Hal and Sinestro's conversation at
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: the end of episode two, and I feel like we
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: only saw a portion of Zoe and John's conversation in
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: this episode. We're going to end up seeing more of
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: what they just talked about in that discussion. I think
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: that the recording being played shows us that, like, Like,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 3: Hector says it's the Manhunter who had the, like, recordings happening.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: But he's... Because he's saying that... He said it's Makin.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: He said Makin's the Manhunter. I don't think that the
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 3: recordings happening is on Zoe's behalf. I think it's just
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: solely Makin doing all that. So I don't know how much...
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: How aware she is of, like... if her conversation with
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: John was recorded. Because she does say to him, if
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: I tell you everything, then you're going to die, and
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: I don't want you to die, basically. So I think
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: we're going to see more of that conversation come up
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: in some way. I don't know if it's going to
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: be another slip of the recording happening, an audio version
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: of it, or we're going to actually get a flashback
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: to that scene, but I think we're going to see
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: more of why.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: John believes that she's the Manhunter and why he believes
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: that she also like made it through the satellite coming
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: for her truck. So that'll be interesting.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: I have theories about that, too. It might be a
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: hot take and I might be wrong. But if I'm wrong,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: it's so crazy.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: Nobody's going to remember I was wrong.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: But if I'm right, it's so crazy. Everybody's like, damn,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: this motherfucker smart. So here's my theory. What if the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: Manhunter is the Guardian and Zoe?
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: I thought that earlier today, yo. I thought that, actually. Okay,
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: so I'm not crazy. I thought that earlier.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: Why y'all didn't say it? Was y'all also feeling like
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: it's crazy?
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: We haven't seen him in the same room yet.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 5: I was trying to put it all together. It's like,
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: the Manhunter can be anyone. And the Manhunter, the one
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: thing that bugs me is how they... I mean, not
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 5: the Manhunter Guardian. When they appeared in Jon's room, how
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 5: are they doing that shit?
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: You know, like, are they.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: invisible and then they're appearing or.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: They don't like circle or anything that half appears or
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: something that.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 6: Makes them like the man hunters also have psychic powers
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 6: in the in the comics i don't know if they
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 6: don't have it in this show but they can project
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 6: themselves into your brain too and the reason i that
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 6: is interesting to me is because they're both in the
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 6: form of these.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: Older women that are manipulating.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 7: John um he's their favorite playboy toy yeah and he
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 7: and Um, and then it would make the sex stuff
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 7: feel different to me.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: Cause it's like, Oh no, John kind of knows it ain't,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: it's something's up, but he don't want to reveal that
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: he knows something's up. Even the way they got the
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: recording is kind of like, okay, so like, Who was
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: in that room first?
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: Because other people was in that room with you. They
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: could have left a recording device.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: They could already set something up. It's just, I don't know.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 3: It could.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: That was a small thing. I'll run through a couple
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: quick more things real quick. When the Guardian asked, and
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: what did they talk about? I feel like she was
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: just testing to see if John would tell her.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: They both are testing him.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: I think she knows and wanted to know is how
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: close are you with Hal? Is Hal telling you that
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: we shady? Oh, he hasn't really revealed that you can't
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: trust us?
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: You're still our perfect fucking.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: Like- Negro.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: We're going to use you. Now I'm going to put
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: the vice on you. I actually love the detective work
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: between Hal and John. Like that's a true detective thing.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: Cause they make, they always make the two leads hate
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: each other. And then they sit down for five minutes
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: and they do detect. And you'd be like, these niggas cooking.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. I thought they was, I thought these
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: motherfuckers didn't know what they was doing. They was like, yes,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: that's called the weenie. And that's why the four guard
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: towers do this. I was like, oh shit. So that
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: was actually a cool moment. I love the special effect
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: of the digger.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: I loved it. Yes, that was fire.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: Anytime this show gives us like a, nah, we got
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: a nice little budget over here.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I like that. I liken
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: it to how Game of Thrones or really House of
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: Dragons have done with the dragons where it's like they
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: don't overplay that hand And they had made a point
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: to mention that they didn't want to overplay it and
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: cheapen it, right? Yes. We don't see, besides how, like,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: doing shit like constructing money, we don't really see, like,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: stuff that's too, like, basic being done. It's, like, mundane. It's, like,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 3: when it happens, it happens for a really expressed purpose,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: and it has meaning behind it, and it carries weight.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: You know, literal secrecy.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: So to see that, and again, the way that John
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: does it, where it's from the inside out, and it's
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: very meticulous, and it's very solid and stoic and all
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: this other stuff, like... And then, again, just the effects
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: themselves to be so good. It's just nice. Not only
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: does it not cheapen the idea of the Green Lantern
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: and its powers, it also, like, to me, elevates the
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 3: series because it's not just like, oh, look at this
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 3: cool shit that we're doing.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: Like, it's not like that all the time.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 3: They're not forcing, like, a space battle into every episode
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 3: just because they're like, this is what people can't, like,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: they're using it practically. Correct.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: But I love the way that effect looked. It looked great.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 1: And then John lost his concentration when Hal brings up
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: his mother, Don.
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Which, you know, I mean, I don't know how many
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: times the show can lean toward it. Like we're saying
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: mommy issues, but also like.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 3: Like, like, Everybody's mom can't be Martha.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 5: But Hal makes that great point, too. He's like, that
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 5: is standard superhero origin story.
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: The parents try to die. We're already breaking that fourth wall.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: He did that several times this episode. He's like, it's
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: kind of weird your mama alive, if we be honest.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: You really had to earn the ring. Let's go in
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: here and get your mama killed from a laser. That's
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: part of the hazing process. Then I'm going to give
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 3: you the ring.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 4: I'm going to leave.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: And then lastly is the, the order versus chaos of
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: it all. Cause I like how much the guardians are
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: trying to place order on the chaotic universe.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: And you got to get dirty to do it. Cause
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: you're not.
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: Letting things take their natural course. So of course them
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: niggas gotta be dirty, man. You can't imply order on life.
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: Life is by itself is too random. And so the
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: arrogance of any group that, to think we know what's
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: best for the planet. We give one person a ring
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: and then tell them how to go police. Their planet
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: is insanity.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: And so they have to be evil at the end
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: of the day.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: It's just no way they get to be good people.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: And I love that because I feel like of what
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: I know, cause I'm not as deep in the comics
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 1: as y'all were with DC, but, of what I know
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: from like Justice League and stuff, it always kind.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: Of felt like, yeah, it always kind of felt like, yeah.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 1: The Guardians are good because they're gave people the rings
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: and they're, they want the good things.
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: And don't we like Hal? Don't we like John?
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: I prefer this version because it's so much more adult
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: and complicated and accurate than just good versus evil. The
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 1: same way I prefer like the acolyte version of the Jedi.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: I like, I like the, hey man, motherfuckers that want
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: to impose.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: Order on the universe under the guise of good are
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: very rarely good.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: They're always a problem. The thought that's just left off
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: of my brain is around this idea of we have
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 3: been able to get here in this, like, the nuance,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 3: the grayness. Like, because we, like, if we think about
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 3: where we have been in superhero depictions for, like, as
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: Tati was saying, like, the last 20 years, 30 years,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 3: when Blade was the thing, when Batman Forever came out, whenever, like, the, um...
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: whatever west adam west's version of things came out right
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: it's been so many years of us getting that basic
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: black white this is what a superhero is this is
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: what like and that's all giving us been giving us
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: narratives of like how to be people how to be
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 3: heralded as good people how to have like star power
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: what does it take to be like a version of
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: someone that you actually can respect for yourself that other
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: people respect as well. And over time, we've gotten to
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 3: the place now where we can have these more nuanced,
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: more thoughtful, more considerate. It actually is pulling us and
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: pushing us into conversations that we've needed to have and
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: we just haven't had the spell for. So I think
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: Lanterns is kind of like the peak of of superhero
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: storytelling in a way that we have not... We've been
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 3: seeing hits and misses for the past few years, fumbles
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: and stuff that have been happening from Marvel to DC
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: to independent creators. We've been seeing so many fits and
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 3: starts with this. So I think one of the reasons
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: why Lanterns is having the reaction it's having from the
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: audience is that we're getting so much of what it's taken...
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: years of storytelling for us to get to with the
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: budget and the means and the creators and the storytelling
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: and the beings and the creators who actually get us there.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: So I really just appreciate that. And I think that
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: And having the people here in this room to be
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 3: able to talk about this in this way, I'm actually
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 3: feeling very grateful that this is an experience that I
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 3: get to have and that we get to share this
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 3: out with other people and engage with them. Because there
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 3: are times where I've looked at the stories and been like,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: and I can still do it to this day. I'm
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: not going to pick up this story. I'm not going
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 3: to watch this one. It is what it is. Pick
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 3: and choose. this is a very special project and it
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: feels like it and just our ability to talk about
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: it this way and for so long and people still
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 3: want to engage with us about it. Like it just,
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 3: it feels very special and I really appreciate that. All right.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 5: I think there we do need to wrap this up though. Janicia,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 5: please let the people know where they can find you at.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: Hey, y'all can still find me right now for now
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 3: at Tea with Queen and Jay. I'm on Patreon mostly,
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 3: Tea with Queen and Jay podcast, wherever you listen to podcasts,
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 3: that's where I'm at. I'm on social media mostly as myself,
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: at Janicia F. J-A-N-I-C-I-A and then the letter F. And
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 3: if you hit me up at T with QJ, I'm
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 3: there as well, but mainly at my main page. So yeah,
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 3: that's where I'm at. And thank y'all so much for
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: having me. I watched all the previous reviews that y'all
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: did of this show and the conversations are so... They're
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 3: just so dynamic. I really, congratulations on 10K. I'm so,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: you know, impressed would imply that like, I didn't expect
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: this from you guys, but like, I'm just really, I'm
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: blessed to be in community with y'all and just what
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: you've been doing, the work that you do is just brilliant.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: So shout out to y'all.
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 5: Now, I want to personally thank you as well, Janisha,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 5: because you have definitely been a driving force in my
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 5: personal growth and recognizing when I'm fucking up And, you know,
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 5: like you.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 3: Said, why did you say that?
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 5: And, you know, I've learned, I won't say regretted, you know,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 5: I've like learned, you know, I shouldn't have said that
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 5: and why I shouldn't have said it. And, you know,
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 5: I want to thank you for helping me, you know,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 5: get to see through those blind spots that I had.
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: Thanks for that. Thanks for saying that out loud. I
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: really appreciate it. And it, it does like, it does, um,
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: It means something to say that out loud because we
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 3: all know that people have had that experience with all
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 3: of us and have hesitated to say that out loud.
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: So thank you for... Oh, no.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 4: That's the funny thing because it caught me up a
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: couple weeks ago.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 5: Somebody in the comments said something where they were like,
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 5: you know, John, I think they were complaining about John
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 5: or Hal. And I wanted to be like, nigga, if
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 5: you'd known me four years ago, I would have.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 4: Said shit out my mouth that way. I had you like,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 4: fuck Ben.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 5: You know, and it's like, we don't allow people to
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 5: grow and we don't allow people. There's a lot of the,
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 5: especially people who raised on this internet. They don't, they,
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 5: because they've said things on the internet, they're like, they
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 5: feel like they're stuck with it. You know, they can't
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 5: ever say, I was wrong.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 4: And so I'm the first to be like, yo, I
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 4: was fucking wrong. I've grown.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 5: Like, this show has helped me grow so much. You know, Tatiana,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 5: Genesia Rodgers, You know, Portia, everyone here has helped me
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 5: grow so much. And if you looked at, I mean,
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 5: you can go back and listen to the shit I said,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 5: you know, when we started this show.
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 4: And a lot of it is like.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, fuck.
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 4: You know, I'm sitting there like, fuck, man, you were
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 4: an idiot. You know, like, what were you thinking?
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 2: Are you listening, Stephen A. Smith?
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: Are you listening?
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: Can y'all send this clip to him real quick?
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 3: That's all you gotta say. It's been over already. It's awful.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 5: A lot of y'all niggas like, As a.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 3: Creative, it's such a unique, as a creative and then
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 3: just people who have been on the internet, it's really
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: a blessing to be able to look back and see
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: how far you've come. Because that's a part of why
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: people forget who they used to be. We have it
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: on tape who we used to be. We have it on,
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 3: you know, it's on the socials, the bullshit we were
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: saying if we forgot to delete that shit. So it's important.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: I've grown so much just from like listening back to
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 3: the things that I've said on my podcast, on this podcast.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: You know, I also sounded ridiculous. Not like you, because
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 3: I'm not a cishet man. But I have also said
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: ridiculous things. You know, things that I can never take
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 3: back because it's on tape. All I can do is
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 3: be a better nigga. And that's what we should all
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 3: be striving to do. You know what I'm saying? Is
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 3: to be better niggas. Gender neutral, race neutral. Be better niggas.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: I love that rainbow.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 3: Put that on a shirt.
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 4: Be better niggas, okay?
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 3: That's what we should all be striving to do. And
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: it's important that we recognize... you know, that we, that
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: we are doing that work and that we are all growing.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 3: Because I think one of the things about like youth
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 3: and just, you know, people, maybe we're just not tapped
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 3: in with lots of different things or whatever is feeling like,
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 3: you know, like there's no capacity for anyone to grow.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 3: Whoever he was five years ago, that's who you are today.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: And that's how I treat you. Like, that's just not,
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: you know, I will personally never forgive how Jordan for, uh,
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 3: walking up in his parents' house and spoiling the surprise
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 3: that he's about to be the Green Lantern. I will
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 3: personally never forgive that. I don't care that it happened
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: back in 20- whatever, 06 or whatever the fuck, 16,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: whatever the fuck it happened, I'm still mad. But maybe
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: he grew from that. That's the point. Maybe he's a
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 3: different nigga now. I don't know.
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 4: Maybe he's being a better nigga.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 3: I want to add just.
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: To Ben, I mean, thank you. I do want to
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 3: add to that just to you specifically, Janicia, because you
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: have also been a part of our history and our journey.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 3: Like you've been a part of us for all nerds,
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 3: the Bible of the of us. Right. And and where
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: we've gone, where we've been. And and and I just
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: think that it's. We could have done it without you. Like,
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: we could have got to the 10K without you. We
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 3: could have been who we are without you. Same thing
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: with you, Rod. Yeah. Same thing with you, Rod.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: No, don't include me.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 5: No, when we talk about me, like, inspiration and people who, like,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 5: you know, set the bar, you know, like, The black
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 5: guy who tips is one of them ones where I'm
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 5: always like, fuck, you niggas get up and do this
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 5: shit damn near every day.
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 4: I got to step my game up.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 3: Like, I'm lazy. You know, that's all I say.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 4: And this nigga's funny. You know what I mean, Karen?
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 5: I always say whenever I have you on the show,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 5: if I get you to laugh, I've done my due
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 5: diligence for the day, you know, because that's like, you know,
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 5: it's like impressing my favorite comedian.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 3: If you made Rod laugh, that means you really that nigga, right? So, but,
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 3: but I'm not, and I'm also not saying that Rod
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: just to be like a me too moment. Like also
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 3: you like, no, for real. Like you've been part of
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: our journey, our culture, our history. You've been part of
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 3: this too. So you're just as very much to thank
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 3: for where we are now, as much as Janice, as
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 3: much as a few other people, but the blacks that
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 3: are here in this room right now, I want to say,
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 3: thank you. Like this really matters. And again, thank you
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 3: for sitting with us on here for two hours.
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: I've been listening to you since you was a grand
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: Duchess of tech, man.
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 3: Forever and always.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: Come on now.
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Thank y'all. All right.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 5: As always, you can find me at DJ Ben. I mean,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 5: at Tatiana King at Porsche knows on all the social
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 5: media platforms. You can follow us all at for all
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 5: nerds on pretty much everything. Like everyone said, we hit 10K.
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 5: We over 10K now, working on that 20, working on
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 5: that 50. All the way up. We're celebrating to the
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 5: end of the year. A lot of big things coming.
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 5: Make sure you head over to 4allnerds. com and get you
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 5: some of this fly merch, like the 4allnerds logo joint.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 5: We got the Lionel Richie on Porsche. Tatiana got the
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 5: Flex Luthor. We are two weeks out. Oh, there we go.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 5: You know, you know, we represent everybody black right there.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 5: The ampersand joint. And we are three weeks out from
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 5: Baltimore Comic Con, where we will be tabling table 410
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 5: in the main hall with Anyone Comics.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: Your boy will be there.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 4: We got a bunch of super special guests.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 5: We'll also be at New York Comic Con down in
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 5: Artist Alley within Stephen Harris.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 4: We'll let you know which table we're at pretty soon.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 3: Not Stephen A. Smith. Not Stephen A. Smith.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 5: No, we're with a brother who actually can say he's
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 5: sorry and regret some of the dumb things he said
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 5: in the past. Yeah, you know, not that one. So
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 5: some other super big things coming up. You know, we
• 2:10:03
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• 2:10:06
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• 2:10:09
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