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Patriots Unfiltered 3/19: Deep Dive into Patriots FA Moves, Should New England Trade Down? · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 2: at j Let's Stadium. And what what, Deuce? I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say something.
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  Speaker 3: I was just pointing to the sky when you say
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Okay, Tuesday, all right, thanks to Lord. And uh,
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  Speaker 2: we're in the midst of free agency. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you call it a frenzy for the Patriots, but
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  Speaker 2: they're still making some moves. It's Deuce, it's tomorrow, Evan,
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  Speaker 2: it's Paul, myself, Matt and Jewels are in the booth.
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  Speaker 2: And why don't you run down the latest moves.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's well, it's just one. It's just kJ kJ Osborne.
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  Speaker 2: Who's in the building today.
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  Speaker 3: He is one year, four million. Yeah, pretty good move.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I think we were we were talking on
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  Speaker 3: the Draft show before this, and just feels a little redundant.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think he's a player. He can play
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  Speaker 3: in the NFL, and I mean.
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  Speaker 5: He can play in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: Now he and the US some big touchdowns. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he's had some uh some some clutch moments. I think, uh,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he's he's a productive guy. But you know
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  Speaker 3: it's I still kind of see him as you know,
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  Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne, that kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of players still need a number one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you still just you know, don't have an outside
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  Speaker 3: receiver really or somebody that that his presence on the outside,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for I mean, as much as DeVante Parker
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  Speaker 3: was not reliable, you know, that was at least one
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  Speaker 3: thing that where he kind of fits. So I think
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  Speaker 3: they're still searching for that guy. And and that's what
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about on Draft Countdown, which will be out tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: Just how do you find that guy? And can you
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  Speaker 3: find him in the draft? In the rounds?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean or trade yep. You know, you know
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  Speaker 2: I saw somebody everybody who was saying t Higgins you
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  Speaker 2: know for a second, you know, which if they did that,
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  Speaker 2: I would be fine with that. You have to pay him,
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  Speaker 2: of course, So basically you're using your second round pick
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  Speaker 2: for a receiver, which is kind of what they were
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  Speaker 2: planning to do anyway, except you.
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  Speaker 9: Know, yeah, I'm okay with that. Because I feel like
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  Speaker 9: I'm a big like quality over quantity type of gal,
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  Speaker 9: and I do believe that they probably put all their
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  Speaker 9: eggs in their basket obviously to get the wide receiver
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  Speaker 9: we all wanted, and Calvin Ridley or at least you know,
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  Speaker 9: that was the best one out there for us. And
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  Speaker 9: so now that he's obviously off the market going to
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  Speaker 9: the Titans, I'm wondering if maybe all of their focus
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  Speaker 9: was on that and they didn't really have a backup plan,
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  Speaker 9: or their backup plan was the draft. But I do
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  Speaker 9: think that they should at least try to go get
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  Speaker 9: Tea Higgins.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I you know, everyone's saying, now, oh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: now that they lost down to Calvin Ridley, they're all
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  Speaker 2: in on the draft. You know, it's you know, they're
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  Speaker 2: putting all their eggs in the draft basket.
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  Speaker 4: That was according to Justina Anderson.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why that from the Patriots. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know why that should be the case. Okay, so you
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  Speaker 2: missed the Calvin Ridley.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I feel like there should have been
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  Speaker 9: a backup plan, like or at least like some sort
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  Speaker 9: of like, Okay, if we do miss out on him,
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  Speaker 9: here's the next guy's up there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, they got Osborne. I mean, I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that was as it's not as sexy and he's not
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  Speaker 2: as good, but you.
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  Speaker 9: Know, or I would have tried to go get Jonah
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  Speaker 9: like I mean, okay, say, if we couldn't get our
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  Speaker 9: money to go to Calvin Ridley, could we get it
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  Speaker 9: to go towards our offensive line instead?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 9: And I feel like the Patriots fans, it looked like
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  Speaker 9: the people I follow really upset that they didn't try
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  Speaker 9: to make a move quickly for Jonah after they couldn't
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  Speaker 9: get Calvin Ridley.
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  Speaker 10: Oh.
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  Speaker 5: I think it came to like I was one of
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  Speaker 5: those people that was upset but they didn't go after
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  Speaker 5: Jonah Williams. But now they want mike on Whnny to
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  Speaker 5: play right tackle, so that that's right. That was their
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  Speaker 5: move at tackle in free agency. Whether we agree or
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  Speaker 5: not that Mike on whin who is a right tackle
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  Speaker 5: or not, their tackle big money tackle move was to
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  Speaker 5: bring back on when play them at right tackle. So
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  Speaker 5: that's what they're doing. I actually I see what they're
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  Speaker 5: trying to accomplish this offseason. So far, it's not exciting.
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  Speaker 5: It's not splashy. It's not the fireworks and all that
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  Speaker 5: kind of stuff, but guys like kJ Osborne. Whether you
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  Speaker 5: agree with this or that, you need to have depth
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  Speaker 5: on your roster. Yeah, and now they have a wide
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  Speaker 5: receiver room that I would say is really just missing
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  Speaker 5: the alpha guy. And if it's t Higgins for the
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  Speaker 5: thirty fourth overall pick, it's Ady Mitchell, it's Xavier Legette,
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  Speaker 5: it's whoever in the draft that's supposed to be your alpha.
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  Speaker 5: Now you cannot trust that they're going to draft the
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  Speaker 5: right guy based off their track record. But I understand
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  Speaker 5: what they're doing in terms of we're gonna use free
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  Speaker 5: agency mostly to supplement the depth pieces of the rosters
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  Speaker 5: that when we get to the draft, it's draft the quarterback,
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  Speaker 5: draft the receiver, and hopefully we hit on those two picks.
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  Speaker 5: And now we have the top end of the roster guys.
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  Speaker 5: I just don't know what top end of the roster
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  Speaker 5: guys were available on the open market besides Ridley, who
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  Speaker 5: they tried to get that was really going to fill
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  Speaker 5: that need in free agency.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why I have no problems if they have
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  Speaker 4: decided to sort of switch gears wide receiver wise, because
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  Speaker 4: I think that's the only one that was really left.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm not saying I wouldn't take kJ Osborne. I'm
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  Speaker 4: not saying I wouldn't be interested in Mike Williams. But like,
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  Speaker 4: in terms of big ticket items, it was Ridley and
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  Speaker 4: that was kind of it. The rest of them required trades,
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  Speaker 4: and that's a different animal. So the other part if
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  Speaker 4: they had, just like the moves that they made, it
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  Speaker 4: was exactly what Evan said in terms of, you know,
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  Speaker 4: adding some good players and some depth pieces, and I
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  Speaker 4: just wish there was something to sort of tie it
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  Speaker 4: all together, you know, with a big ticket item. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you know to lead that group. You know, when you
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  Speaker 4: lead that group among the re signed guys.
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  Speaker 2: Right well, you're kind of hoping that you had among
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  Speaker 2: tackle or wide receiver a big ticket just to take
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  Speaker 2: the stress off the draft.
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  Speaker 4: They have three major needs heading into the draft. They
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  Speaker 4: have addressed none of them.
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  Speaker 2: Right So like even if like let's just say you
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  Speaker 2: got Ridley, that means you can draft your quarterback, you
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  Speaker 2: can take a tackle with your second pick, and then
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  Speaker 2: you don't have to use you know, you can take
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  Speaker 2: a wide receiver in the fourth round because you still
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  Speaker 2: could get a pretty good wide receiver.
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  Speaker 4: In the fourth you absolutely can, you know you absolutely can,
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  Speaker 4: and I think now you are going to go that
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  Speaker 4: way because I think you know, and Evan talked about
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  Speaker 4: the when you move at tackle, which I really don't
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  Speaker 4: now like. I liked that signing. That was my favorite
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  Speaker 4: move out of all the moves they've made, that's the
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  Speaker 4: one I like the most. I still like it the most,
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  Speaker 4: but I don't like it as much. With this sort
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  Speaker 4: of decision that they've reportedly made, we should credit Ian
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  Speaker 4: Rappaport that the plan is that he's going to be
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  Speaker 4: the right tackle. I don't like him as the right
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  Speaker 4: tackle as much as I do as the right guard.
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  Speaker 4: But either way, to Evan's point, they still need a
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  Speaker 4: left tackle right and at some point you have to
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  Speaker 4: figure out how you're gonna how are you going to
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  Speaker 4: fill that that hole.
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  Speaker 3: I'm with you, Paul on not really loving that report.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we talked about it last show. But I thought,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Evan, I'll let you say we were talking
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  Speaker 3: about upstairs. I thought Evan actually had had a good point,
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  Speaker 3: not to say, actually, I was gonna say he actually
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  Speaker 3: had one time once once in two years. No, but
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  Speaker 3: but on when you. You don't want you to spit it out.
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  Speaker 5: I don't. I'm not sure what's the exact point you're
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  Speaker 5: talking about, but yeah, I make.
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  Speaker 3: So many Well, well just I mean, I'll I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we just talk a lot about I think we can.
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  Speaker 3: I'll admit, he's a pretty solid right tackle and it's
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  Speaker 3: a place to start for them, And it's a one
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  Speaker 3: year thing maybe and maybe if it doesn't work, they'll
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  Speaker 3: kick him back in the guard next year. And you know,
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  Speaker 3: but but maybe it's a starting point. They're at least
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  Speaker 3: gonna you know, go and hopefully with better coaching too.
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  Speaker 5: Sure, yeah, yeah, I mean, there's no doubt that he
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  Speaker 5: brings more value to the team at tackle. It's a
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  Speaker 5: more valuable position. But the problem that I see with
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  Speaker 5: on one tackle is pass blocking. He's got a short
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  Speaker 5: corner because he doesn't have the great movement skills and
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  Speaker 5: athleticism to get out to you know, pass sets and
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  Speaker 5: get out there and cut off the corners and things
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  Speaker 5: like that. Now, maybe an off season of tackle sets
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  Speaker 5: and then maybe he drops ten to fifteen pounds, ten pounds,
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  Speaker 5: maybe you know, to.
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  Speaker 4: Get a little bit thinner, at a little bit he's more. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: because I don't think he really wanted to do it
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  Speaker 4: last year.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe he's just lighter on his feet, maybe he's
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  Speaker 5: more into it. Maybe he's getting better coaching, Maybe he's
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  Speaker 5: got more experience there in the off season and he
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  Speaker 5: can individually approve. I believe that could happen. But this
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  Speaker 5: trickle down effect that it has on what they want
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  Speaker 5: to do schematically and on the interior of the offensive
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  Speaker 5: line is where my major concerns are with him playing tackle,
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  Speaker 5: because maybe I'm in the minority. I got a lot
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  Speaker 5: of pushback about this. I am not sold on Cole
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  Speaker 5: Strange yet as a starting left guard in the league,
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  Speaker 5: both because of injuries and because of performance. You know,
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  Speaker 5: the guy had one good stretch of play last year,
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  Speaker 5: gets immediately gets hurt. So like what do we we
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  Speaker 5: got to see it from Cole Strange. I like City,
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  Speaker 5: So I love so and on WHENNU next to each other.
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  Speaker 5: If you're gonna be a downhill run team, those guys
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  Speaker 5: are going to move the line of scrimmage together really,
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  Speaker 5: really well. But you're a little bit weaker in past
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  Speaker 5: blocking on the right side. You still have a question
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  Speaker 5: mark in my mind at left guard. And we don't
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  Speaker 5: even have a left tackle, So it's like there's still
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  Speaker 5: a lot of things to work out.
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  Speaker 4: It's more pressure on that group of young guys. Now,
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  Speaker 4: I think you should be able to figure it out.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's the end of the world, but
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  Speaker 4: I agree with Evan Strange. So Mafi Jake Andrews, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: now you need two of those guys to emerge as
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  Speaker 4: legitimate star because I thought when you would be one
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  Speaker 4: of those.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just going to say it not insignificant that it
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  Speaker 3: sounds like Cole Strange is not going to be jump
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  Speaker 3: right in the program, be ready to go. You know,
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  Speaker 3: like some of what they think they got Leverett for
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  Speaker 3: was to have some insurance on him. But if you're
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  Speaker 3: trying to pitch that Cole Strange is going to pick
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  Speaker 3: up where he left off before he got hurt, it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of hard, you know, to say, if he's not
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  Speaker 3: even really gonna.
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  Speaker 5: In practicing camp last year either because of an AD one.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know why I were convinced that that's an
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  Speaker 5: answer there yet.
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  Speaker 2: And I was mildly surprised that Tyron Smith was willing
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  Speaker 2: to go to the Jets for what he got in
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  Speaker 2: one year deal. I mean that's a good deal for
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  Speaker 2: the Jets, it really is.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good signing if they are I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: Mike Williams, if they're able to get Mike Williams and
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  Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson and you know, Breist Hall and Aaron Rodgers,
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  Speaker 3: is healthy, I mean they should have reason for optimism
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  Speaker 3: for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I thought Smith would be looking for and he would
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  Speaker 2: hold out until he got better money. Ye, good for them,
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  Speaker 2: but boy, we could use him.
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  Speaker 4: At his age. He probably wasn't going to get.
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  Speaker 2: The no, he's thirty three deal.
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  Speaker 4: But I do think that the Jets needed to overhaul
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  Speaker 4: their offensive line. I don't know if it'll work, but
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  Speaker 4: they did. I mean, that's three different guys they brought
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  Speaker 4: in right, two tackles with Moses and uh, what's it Joe?
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  Speaker 4: Who's the guard John something? I can't think of his name.
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  Speaker 4: But anyway, they signed three guys that ostensibly could be
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  Speaker 4: started starting for them on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they definitely shook it up. I wonder if McKay
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  Speaker 5: Beckton is at all on the Patriots radar because I
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  Speaker 5: thought about that. Those are the types of moves that
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  Speaker 5: I feel like they should be making. This is a very,
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  Speaker 5: very talented guy that hasn't been able to stay on
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  Speaker 5: the field, hasn't really been able to gain any momentum
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  Speaker 5: in his career, but has first round top really top
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  Speaker 5: of the ten, right. I think he's like ten or
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  Speaker 5: eleven in that draft in the first round talent. So
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  Speaker 5: maybe they they have an incentive laid and deal with
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  Speaker 5: Mackay Beckton who can play on the left side.
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  Speaker 4: John Simpsons.
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  Speaker 3: I thought I had John Simon.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was Simpson, but I didn't want to be.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So yeah, I couldn't thank Shepherd Simpson something Sampson,
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  Speaker 4: but he was a starter for the Ravens, good offensive line,
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  Speaker 4: run oriented team obviously, So I think they brought three
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  Speaker 4: guys in. We'll see if those guys can stay healthy.
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  Speaker 4: That's the big ift, especially with Smith. I saw, you know,
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  Speaker 4: everyone's favorite betting expert, Michael Party. You know immediately what's
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  Speaker 4: the over under on how many games Smith's gonna play?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, Like, would you say that
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  Speaker 4: if like Baltimore signed Tyron Smith or if the Patriots
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  Speaker 4: signed Tyron Smith. I mean, it's just because the Jets
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  Speaker 4: signed him, So yeah, he's destined to not play any games.
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  Speaker 4: Risk it's a legitimate there's an injury risk, yeah, no question. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but what do you think you can signed a one
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  Speaker 4: year deal for right right?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's I mean when you I mean go through
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  Speaker 3: the guys I rattled off. They've all had injury issues
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  Speaker 3: in the last two years except for I guess Karret
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  Speaker 3: Williams was you know, so I don't know they I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know how injuries are. Sometimes they hate you. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: you just magically get through the year without them.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see.
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  Speaker 3: But if they all stay healthy, I think that Jets
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  Speaker 3: team's gonna be a problem.
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  Speaker 2: So losing out on Calvin will Ridley. Looking at what
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  Speaker 2: the free agent market is right now, does this make
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  Speaker 2: it more sure that the Patriots are gonna take the
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  Speaker 2: third pick and take a quarterback or is there now
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  Speaker 2: more odds that they might trade down.
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  Speaker 3: I just think there's an I think there's an argument
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  Speaker 3: to be made to trade down. But you know, if
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  Speaker 3: you don't love Drake may or Jayden and I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it's pretty simply simple to me. Either take one of
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  Speaker 3: those two guys, or you trade down and try to
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  Speaker 3: get a tackle.
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  Speaker 2: And nothing changes. If they like one of those yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't If they like both those guys.
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  Speaker 4: Well, in terms of things that have changed. In our
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  Speaker 4: last show, that Minnesota trade, we mentioned that at all.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that changes really much for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that they're looking to go from eleven
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  Speaker 4: to three. I think they got something else in my
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  Speaker 4: But Minnesota acquired an additional first round pick from Houston
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  Speaker 4: twenty three. I think, so they now have eleven and
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  Speaker 4: twenty three, and the conventional wisdom is they're looking to
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  Speaker 4: get into the quarterback race. But a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: think it's JJ McCarthy, yeah, the Charge.
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  Speaker 5: Or four with Arizona. Yeah, one of those two teams.
• 14:40
  Speaker 5: I just if you take everything that they've said at
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: face value and all the reporting at face value, the
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: plan all along, going all the way back to the
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: Combine was a draft quarterback, and I don't think missing
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: on Calvin Ridley should derail you from that plan. I
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: don't think you should just throw the plan up in
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: the air because you missed out on a guy that's
• 14:58
  Speaker 5: a good player, but not we're not talking about you know,
• 15:01
  Speaker 5: prime Randy Moss here that they didn't sign. So I
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: would just say that if that's all that is true,
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: that they were really dead set, they've already checked the
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: Jacoby Brissett box, which is what everybody said that they
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: were going to do. So it seems like we're on
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: this path. Then why would you change your plan at
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: three just because you did missed out on Calvin Ridley,
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: Like it just seems like an overreaction.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: And then there's just this other raer report, which I
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: don't get how people extrapolate this rare reports that at
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: the combine the Patriots were approached by the Saints see
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: if they were interested in moving out of three and
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: and the Patriots said no. So now from that report,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: everyone's like, Patriots have no interest in moving out of three.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: No at that time with that team, they might have
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: said no, But that doesn't mean that everything else is
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: off the table. But that's the way it was presented.
• 15:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you can't based off of one team out of
• 15:51
  Speaker 9: thirty two, Like that's just such a weird thing to say.
• 15:53
  Speaker 9: Like if it was like five teams in the NFL
• 15:56
  Speaker 9: and one asked yeah, yeah maybe, but like thirty.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Two at the combine, Yeah, like you know last month.
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: I think the thing too, though, is with Minnesota, which
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: you know pretty much everybody does mock drafts and they're
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: looking for ways to keep them fresh. Is now trading
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: down with Minnesota and taking eleven and twenty three, And
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: it's like, man, if you just didn't need a quarterback,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: this would be the perfect draft to get a tackle
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: and a wide receiver at eleven.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: Let's let don't forget you're gonna add Justin Jefferson and let's.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Put our Kevin Costner hat on. Is there any strategy
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: that the Patriots can employ. You do the trade, you
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: take eleven and twenty three, but then you use that
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: to do something.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean Arizona did that last year, and
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: someone else did it.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: It was a Philly with Miami. Well, I forget the whole.
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: Before the they didn't made it. They made a trade
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: with Miami before the draft, like.
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: And then they but they traded down and then they
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: went back up. Right, it might thinking.
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: That I don't know, the one I remember is Areas.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: That's what you were thinking, Like you think that Kevin
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Costa they were going to trade down to eleven and
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: maybe slide back up to eight to do something.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Arizona last year traded out of three
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: with Houston, who took will Anderson and then Arizona it
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: was at twelve, and then they traded back up to
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: take Paris Johnson somewhere in like the five to ten range.
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: I can't remember, like seven or something like that. So
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: it's been done before. It's not like totally out of
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: the realm of possibility. But you're probably looking at them
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: doing that to take Ulufashanu instead of Telusi Fugala or
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: Romadoonsay instead of Brian Thomas Junior like that. Those are
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: not times, so.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: You still get the number one overall pick in the drafts.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Correct, But I'm just trying to work this out. So
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: let's just say that their intelligence tells them that Minnesota
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: wants JJ McCarthy and the Patriots don't want JJ McCarthy.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: So okay, if you're going to use our pick to
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: get him, that means Drake may or the other guy
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: is still available, Jadon Daniels. So we moved back to
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: four with Arizona.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: So basically you're trying to pull Jason Tatum, that's what
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: you're trying to do.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like down and get the guy you wanted the
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: most anyway, Yes, correct.
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: Wait, but what if they only want JJ, because that's
• 18:10
  Speaker 9: where they think he's going to fallow.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what you have to be sure of, you know, like, actually,
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: we didn't think he's going to be there. Yeah, that's
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: it is risky.
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: But the only way I see you doing that is
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: if you view them all the same. Yeah, if you
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: think there's no difference between J. J. McCarthy and Drake May,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: and you're just happy with either one of them, then
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: you can move around a little bit and maybe still
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: get one of those two guys. But yeah, I would
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: not do that.
• 18:41
  Speaker 9: I couldn't trust them.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I just want the Drake. That's what I want.
• 18:44
  Speaker 9: The Drake.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: So you're into May, just yeah, it's got to be May.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: It's got to be May.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: I say it right.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: I know nothing against Daniels. He's just he's a little
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: bit younger. He's a little bit less experienced, which is
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: you know, that allows you to believe that you'll have
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: a little bit more time with him and there's more
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: development to be happening.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Evan was pointing out, you know it took jayde Daniels
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: a while. He's a little bit older. I mean, you
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: know it's I take him. I'm not gonna you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: I'm not knocking him to say, I don't want him.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: I'm just that's why my preference goes a little bit
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: towards Drake May.
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: What I will say with Jane Daniels, I love how
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: this time last year no one would have guessed that
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: Jane Daniels would have been a top three pick, right,
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: and seeing how much he was able to grow in
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: one year at LSU, that makes me excited about the
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: potential for him to keep.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: But it scares me because she's twenty four. He's like
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: the PG at prep school who's just older than everybody
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: and he's more experienced, and you know, it's just mean.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of it around it.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: Like I see both sides of that. I see the
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: excitement from tomorrow and I see the trepidation. I mean,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Joe Burrow did it and we're wonderful maker, you know,
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: you know, guys just sort of come out of nowhere.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: They have a great year, and then you know other guys,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: you know, you look back.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: And you're like, we probably shouldn't have fallen for that.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: You know, the other two guys were you know, two
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: years ago, everybody thought that Williams and May were best
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: two quarterbacks in the class.
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: I think that that's a really good question for somebody
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: like Elliot Wolf is, like, how much do you put
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: into the twenty twenty two tape for Drake May? Because
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: in twenty two he has Josh Downs, he has a
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: little bit better offensive line, and he there was no
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: question coming out of that season that he was the
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: second best quarterback in this class. This year, he loses
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: some of those guys, their UNC offense, has a new
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: offensive coordinator, there's a lot going on around him that
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: isn't as good, and he wasn't as good it was
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: consistent this past season, whereas Jayden Daniels had the ascension.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: So if you flip those two seasons talent, right, if
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: you flip those two seasons, then how to you know,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: how do people feel about these two guys? And if
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: you put Jaden Daniels at UNC and you put Drake
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: May at LSU and Drake May is throwing them Elak
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior, are we even having this
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: conversation that they're this close together? So I think that
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: those are the types of things that you have to
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: ask yourself with those two guys in particular, is how
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: much of Jaden Daniels's breakout had to do with the
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: fact that he's throwing to two first round picks at
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: wide receiver versus Drake May's best receiver is probably going
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: to be like a third or fourth round pick.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: And again, same thing with Burrow, Like Borrow, was that
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: l s U that year that you know, record setting year.
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: Probably the best offensive stacked across the board?
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: You could you could certainly say, well, was it justin
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: Jefferson James or is it Joe Burrow? Turns out it
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: was all.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Of them except Terris Marshall. He's actually bad.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Sticking with quarterbacks. I think the Steelers made an interesting
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: move in bringing in Fields and now and with Russell Wilson.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's a perfect situation. You play
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Wilson this year, Fields gets another year to just sit
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: kind of decompress and and and watch, and then next
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: year you get rid of Wilson and you and you
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: play Fields.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: So you have to sign you're going to pick the fifty.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's he's the same as Max, So it's you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: it's well, I.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: Don't know, maybe in practice they'll be able to make
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: that evaluation if he's worth.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: It to.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Do that before then.
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: Obviously I'm extremely biased, but that was a steal for
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: Pittsburgh to be able to get Justin Fields for a
• 22:07
  Speaker 9: six round pick next year. Like if you look at
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: their like people were laughing at their quarterback room from
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: last season and to see how they completely flipped it
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: to those two guys this year.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Just to be clear, if he plays, it's a fourth
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: round pick. Oh wow, he plays half the If he
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: plays half the snaps.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's still pretty good.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Otherwise, if he doesn't play, then you traded the sixth
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: round pick for a backup quarterback.
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: Which is yeah, that's normal.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: I never said, but if he plays, it's going to
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: be a higher pick.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I never really sense the unrest with Kenny Pickett, though,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Is that something I just like, I didn't realize that
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: he was.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: That Jonesy situation there the gloves.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: I think he got a little bit bent out of
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: shape late last season when he got hurt, and that's
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: why Mason Rudolph started playing. And then when he was.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Healthy, they're like, yeah, you know, we're doing alright with
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: Mason Rudolph.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Why don't you sit over there? And I think he
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: was like, Okay.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: He got of he got a rod deal, you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: bit bad coordinator, not a ton of talent around him
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: in certain spots, like they had good receivers always in Pittsburgh,
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: but offensive line issues. But you know, Matt Canada should
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: not have been an NFL offensive coordinator and he was
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: there for two years, so that was tough. But I
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: love it for the Steelers. I'm not losing any sleep
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: over the fact that the Patriots didn't trade for Justin Fields.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: The Steelers are not in a position to draft one
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: of the quarterbacks this year, so they are taking their
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: upside swing on Justin Fields versus the Patriots have the
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: third overall pick. I'd much rather take Drake may or
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels than put my eggs in the Justin Field's basket.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I totally agree. I like it a lot for
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: the Steelers. I think they're also too, you know, sort
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: of similarly mobile athletic kind of quarterbacks, although Wilson doesn't
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: move anywhere near as much and as well as he
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: used to, so I think there's some replication there if
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: you need your backup quarterback. But Tomaraw tell Uncle Mike
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: that I think it's a mistake. Some of the reports
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: have come out that Pittsburgh is out of me, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it's true with Pittsburgh Post Gazette
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: supposedly from inside the organization, it is absolutely not a competition, right,
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: It's Russell Wilson's job. I think that's a big time mistake,
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: and I just hope that they're trying to.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: Appease a guy who, by all accounts needs to be
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: appeased at all times, and Wilson.
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: I did think it was interesting that the report came
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: out that as soon as they made the trade that
• 24:22
  Speaker 9: Uncle Mike texted him allegedly and said, hey, you're going
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: to be the starter. I think that was interesting. I
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: couldn't tell if it was because can he Pickett when
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: he found out that Russell was coming in that he
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: was like, Okay, I want to leave. I don't know
• 24:33
  Speaker 9: if it was to stop any turmoil that was going
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: to be in that locker room and just wanted to
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: make it clear communication.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I just hope that if they go through the off
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: season program and they get into OTAs in mini camp
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: and it's clear that Justin Fields is better than Russell Wilson,
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I would hope that they say yeah, I know what
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: we said, this guy's been better than you. He's going
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: to play.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: I think there's some psychology going on there too, though,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: with Fields of you're the backup now and what he got, so,
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, sure he's clearly aware of where he's at
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: in terms of potentially hitting free agency next year or
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: you know, does he want and wasn't he from Fields
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: around there? I think because he have like family, isn't
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: I think?
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I know, I know he pulled a ZAPPI he started
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: posting some workout videos. Justin Fields is soious.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: I just feel like Justin Fields has we were all
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: wrong about Justin Fields in the draft. I had him
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: as QB two. Most people had him as QB two.
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: He's not good. We were all wrong. It wasn't QB
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: too though, right, it doesn't mean he wasn't QB two,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: But like we all just got to let go of
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: the dream of Justin Fields.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Little bit.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: But that's but that's what so many people in the
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: media are being stubborn on it, Like everybody is still
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: believing in Justin Fields and his film is just not good,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: Like it's just.
• 25:52
  Speaker 9: How much of that though was also bad coaching as well?
• 25:54
  Speaker 9: Because in the same situation as Kenny Pickett. He had
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: horrible coaching in Chicago as well. And before they got
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: DJ or how many weapons did he really have?
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Okay, but last year they had DJ Moore, Darnell Moody
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: and Cole Comet. Those are three legitimate NFL weapons. But
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: before that he had Yeah, But like he had it,
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: he had it all together last year like last year
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: should have been.
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: But I thought he was decent last year, you know,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: down the stretch was the way they finished the season.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I thought there was some promise there.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: It's all That's why I'm kind of holding out home.
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: His his issues are all similar to Jayden Daniels' issues
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: as a passer, and it's just timing, progression, speed, decision,
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: making it the pocket and that that it's at the
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: end of the day that that's that's quarterbacking. As much
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: as we make it all this all these you know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: crazy throws and you know backfoot shots and things like that,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, you have to be
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: able to do that.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: He's got to be a.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Great He's got the traits that Mac doesn't have, you know,
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And that's why I think the people still, you know,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: believe in him. I mean, we saw it first hand
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: out here what he can do.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: All right, should we turn it to the listeners unless
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: you have anything else you want to put on the table.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say one thing. I saw
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: that somebody did a little study, which I always like,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: you know, just what percentage of quarterbacks strapped did a
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: certain portions of the first round, and you know how
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: many of them reached the playoffs? And I think it
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: was fifty eight percent. Top five quarterbacks fifty eight percent
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: go on to make a playoff game. So it seems
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: like a lot it does. It's just but you know,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: tell me, Mill, it's still even in the top five.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: It's it's a little bit of a you know, a
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: little bit of a coin flip with these guys.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: And I think those are pretty good odds.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, from when you hear that they're all busts and
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: then you find out that it's almost sixty percent of
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: those guys at least make the playoffs. You know, I
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: think a lot of people, as an example, would count
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield as a bust. Yeah, well he took two
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: different teams to the playoffs.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: Well, I certainly hear a lot about Trevor Lawrence being
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: a bust. Like absolutely. I tweeted the other day that
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: it thumbs up on Trevor Lawrence and people are like,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: why are we giving It's like because he's an NFL quarterback,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: Like he's a starting quarterback in the league.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Whether I still take it, but I know he's going.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: To say he's had a modicum of success. He finished
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: the opposite of justin Fields. He finished last year really slow,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: but it was clear that that ankle injury that he
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: suffered and run a night game impacted the rest of
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: his season.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just there's a conversation now to sort of
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: what Deuce was saying about quarterback evaluations in the league.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Saw Bucky Brooks tweeting about it. I think maybe Daniel
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: Jeremiah started it of just like why is it so
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: difficult to evaluate that position and why is it so
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: difficult to develop that position in the league? And it's
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: an interesting chicken or the egg. Is it that these
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: guys aren't very talented or is it that, you know,
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: the coaching and the infrastructure and the personnel department and
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: these teams all fail them. And I think a lot
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: of people feel like the NFL has a development problem
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: at the quarterback position, because all these guys are good
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: in college, and they're good in high school and then
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: they get to the NFL and they can't play. And
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: so at some point you have to stop blaming the
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: players and start thinking about what are the teams doing
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: wrong to develop these guys.
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: Yeah, especially like when you look at that whole list
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: of the twenty twenty one quarterbacks and you're like, how
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: did all of them but Trevor Lawrence fail? Like it's
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: just it's just weird when you look at the whole
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: list and it's like, how did that happen to me?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: That's that's my thing is like I think our bar
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: for evaluating these quarterbacks, you know, is determined by the crop,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and I think like we think every year there has
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: to be good quarterbacks coming out of the draft, and
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: that doesn't have to be the case. You know.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Well, and it's probably not a coincidence that the year
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: after that, which was a really really bad first round, right,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: you just go one for five. The year after that,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: there's only one guy chosen in the first round. So
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: I think the teams probably did a better job of
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: saying I'm not going to force the pick I'm not
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: going to make Kenny pick at a top five pick
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: just because he's the best quarterback in the class. But
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: it also probably is just kind of, you know, circumstantial.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: It comes a year after five different teams took it.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: No one's going to pull the plug on a rookie
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: immediately unless it's like JaMarcus Russell bad, you know, or
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Ryan Leaf bad.
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: There's not too many guys that fail that badly right
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: away that you're like, already look in the next year
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: for another quarterback. I was kind of well subdue.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Where I was going with it. It's just teams that
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: we need a quarterback. We're picking in the late first round,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: and we don't really believe in Michael Pennox. But Michael
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Pennix is there, right, And it's that like to have
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: the the you know, the courage to say we don't
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: really believe in him, even though that we need a
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: quarterback and there's really no one else after him. It's great,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: so to speak, like why how do you get to
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: that point?
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: And somehow teams, I think, talk themselves into well, it's
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: twenty eight, Yeah, who cares, Like, well, I do you know,
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: you can get a really good player at twenty eight,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: especially if a lot of quarterbacks are taken, because that
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: means all the rest of the positions haven't been picked
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: at as much as they probably should have been.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: It's the whole risk reward thing. You know, if he pops,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: we got a bargain. If he doesn't, you know, yeah, or.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: But I don't know why. It's not like if the
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: wide receiver we take a twenty eight pops, we have
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: a bargain.
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: That's what I was going to say. I was going
• 30:55
  Speaker 9: to say, to get a good wide receiver at twenty eight,
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: I'd rather take that. Start building the pieces so that
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: one I have a quarterback that I'm sure about and
• 31:02
  Speaker 9: select that.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: I just think it's easy for us to sit here
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: and be patient because.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Jobs are on the line.
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: Our jobs aren't on the line, and we're hopefully you
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: know we're talking about I get it, but I think
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: that you know, that's the big A big thing too.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: I feel like is just you might only have a
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: couple of years to figure it out. If you're an
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: Elliott Wolf, right, Like, you're not going to get ten
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: years to just keep on kicking the can down the
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: road on the quarterback. So at some point you have
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: to take a swing. And I think a lot of
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: these teams just get into these positions where it's like,
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: all right, well we've you know, we've been doing this
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: for a couple of years. We're still don't have the quarterback.
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: We got to take the swing, you know, Nick, Cassio
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: and Houston picked the right guy. But that was your
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: three for him. If he doesn't pick c J. Stroud
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: or if ends up being a bust, does Nick have
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: a job right now?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: Probably not, But that's like.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just if you if the person making
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: the pick in their heart of hearts really doesn't love
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: the player, you know, and it's just you know, it's
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: that tipping point.
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: Of isn't that what happened here with Mac?
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Probably?
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I don't mean, I don't think Bill was
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: in love with Mac Jones.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: He's he's he's kind of like a great example of that.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: I think he was with him.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: But if you would think though that with his relationship
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: to sab And, he would have gotten solid scouting.
• 32:17
  Speaker 9: But what if you love the player but you don't
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: have the right developer? Yeah, so what if that was
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: the pick, but then you just didn't have the right, right.
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: I think that happens to like, you know, the first
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: year him.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: But I think it has.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: First year the quarterback does okay in the second year,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: like his coordinator is a guy from the defense, Like, like,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: you're not.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Allowed to do that, after the way you talked in
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: the last years, you're allowed to make those kind.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Of you thinks you're allowed to do.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: There is that. I still think we should thank Matt Patricia.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: He didn't lobby for the job. He was asked to do.
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: It, and you don't know that he might have lobbied for.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: It no fault of his own. Let's see Matt Framihan's
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: fed up. Uh oh, Next person who tells me the
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Patriots don't need to spend a lot this offseason because
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be bad. Shit, Ask the players and coaches
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: on the team what they think of that. The careers
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: of players and coaches are short in this league, especially
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: if you keep losing because the rest of the league
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: is watching. I'm disappointed in this free agency period, and
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: I believe this team is doing a lot of wishing,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: especially with the third pick coming up in the draft,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: so they're doing a lot of wishing.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this might be going down a rabbit hole. I
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: don't want to go down, but I think I saw
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: somebody kind of make the comparison. And I'm not trying
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: to make the saying that this team will go to
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: the super Bowl next year, but it does kind of
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: smell a little bit like the one Patriots free agency
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: class to me, of and certainly not even the external guys.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: It was almost like they signed their own guys that
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: were kind of the infony. Jennings is not that he's
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: going to be Mike Frable, but he was kind of
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: like the third man, rotational linebacker that didn't get a
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: ton of playing time. I don't know, I just see
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: some parallels, and I think right now it's really a
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: hot button topic to talk about Bill Belichick and how
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: he would build the team, But I don't think that
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: he was necessarily wrong in two thousand and one to
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: approach it the way that he did, to remake that team,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: to reestablish kind of a new cores and then go
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: into the draft and draft you know Richard Seymour who
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: was a future Hall of Famer, Matt Light who stepped
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: right at left tackle. But I think what stands out
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: to me is the Patriots They didn't think they were
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: there in O one. They were surprised that that team
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: got there. They knew that they had to completely change things.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: That super Bowl was a surprise. I'm not trying to
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: sell the emailer that they're going to the super Bowl
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: this year, but I think that there is some element
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: to team building that they're taking from that two thousand
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: and one kind of philosophy.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't completely disagree with you, but I think
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: that this is more about the retain that they wanted
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: no put. They wanted to get rid of as many
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: players as they like. They had a lot of older
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: guys that they didn't you know, Chris Slade, Ben Coates,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: Bruce Armstrong over the two thousand and two thousand and
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: one seasons that I'm gonna use both. I'm just the
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: start of the Belichick So they weren't all in two
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: thousand and one, but they wanted to move past some
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: of those guys. They had an awful lot of talent
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: on that team coming back that people do not remember.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: It was a waiver wire super Bowl title. But you
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: tell me where Ty law Teddy Bruski, Willie McGinnis, Lawyer Malloy,
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: Troy Brown, Ted Johnson. They didn't have those guys aren't
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: on this.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Roster, but that.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: Was already here.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Like if I was gonna make the argument of not
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: to say Gonzalez is ty Law, but they certainly have
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: some talent on defense, and that offense wasn't good different games.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: But like I worry a little bit about the defense
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: with Bill Belichick gone, to be honest.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: With you, I do too.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think they have the players that are
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: just gonna win matchups. I think they were putting really
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: good spots.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: Now if that wasn't Bill Belichick and it was more
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Gerrod Mayo and DeMarcus Covington, great, I think the defense
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: would be solid, right, they might they might miss something more,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: you know, because I don't think man for man, that
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: was a great defense.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: No.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I think they, you know, like Bill Azo has done.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I think they game plan really well when at you know,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: the opponent's offensive weaknesses really well matched up, you know,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: figured out the matchups from play to play almost or
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: series the series anyway, And you gotta believe a lot
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: of that was Bill, you know, or and how much
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of it was Steve you know, So you hope that
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: it carried on to DeMarcus and Girod But you don't
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: know this, there's no guarantees there.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I am with Mike Doa. They're pretty talented on defense,
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Like you look at at their not just their their starters,
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: but they're too deep. Is as deep as any team
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: in the league.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: Like that, I mean, I guess we can disagree on that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not saying that their ty Law and
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: in Richard Seymour, but like in terms of comparing it
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: to the rest of the league, I mean, they're they
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: have They're pretty solid on defense in pretty much every area.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Like there's where's their week on defense? Maybe free safety,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Like I guess is if you don't really love those
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: safeties back there, I don't know.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: Up front, they have Christian Barmore, like Diatrich Wise is
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: better than guys around the league, Jowant Bentley's better than
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: guys around the league. Of lying tovies better than guys
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: around the league. It's I'm not saying that.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: I know, I'm not saying its Man Warner, but like
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: in terms of what they do in the system, within
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: the scheme that they're playing now that I.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: Agree with they I'd be curious to see if that
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: system remains in place, That's what I'm concerned about.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: That's fair.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: I think they were. They were very well coached and
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: very well schooled. I don't think man for man. I
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: think Gonzales has a chance to be that. I think
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: he has a chance to be one of those guys
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: that any team would say, oh, I'd like Christian. I
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: think Barmore is one of those guys. I think he
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: is a guy that any team would say, well, I'll
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: take him as an intern.
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: And I still think, even though he's getting a little
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: bit older, I still think Judon is one.
• 37:54
  Speaker 7: Of those guys.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: So if you're talking about you go into next year,
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: assuming Judon's here, and you have three guys that are
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: blue chip players on the defensive side of the ball, like,
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: that's not It's not bad. It's not bad at all.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: I mean there's not. I just there are not a
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: lot of defenses around the league that have that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I think one of the sneaky
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: good resignings they had I know you'll probably kill is
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Anthony Jennings. I think I think he's gotten better. He's
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: he's been in an upwards trajectory. I think he can
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: play against the run. I think he's decent against their
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: you know, rushing as well. I think he's a pretty
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: versatile player and I'm glad they brought him back.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I've said that's abouts, you know, one of my for
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: better or words, that's one of my favorite signings. But
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I you know, I think it is worth pointing out
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: though that that this team has really struggled to stop
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen on defense, that has really struggled to stop
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: to attack of Iloa. So, you know, I'm not I
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: think Paul is totally right. I think they have some
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: things on defense that they need to sort out. But
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: when we're talking about Bill and coming up with the
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: secret sauce to beat those teams, they haven't really been
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: able to find that secret sauce. Whether it's coaching, whether
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: it's players, so whatever it is, that's something.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: Miami is, especially Buffalo, they've had, you know, they had
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: to win here last year, and I think a lot
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: of that stems from you don't have an offense that
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: can keep up with the Bills and at the end
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: of the day, he's going to score twenty four points.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: So if they did do better, I thought in the
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: two games against Buffalo this patch Miami, they have no
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: chance against mine.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: That might have been a buffalo thing because they weren't
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: quite as explosive this year as they have been.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but they got nothing on Miami.
• 39:25
  Speaker 7: Don't.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Tyler in New York City says, I do not think
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the Patriots will take a quarterback with the third overall
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: During the free agency this year, Mayo and Wolf were
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: clear that they wanted a big weapon in this offense,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: and we're unable to get any. Two straight years. We
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: have lost a wide receiver bidding war to the Titans.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: For whatever reason, New England, whether under Bill Belichick drawn
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Mayo is unable to attract star power at that position.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: But do you know where you can get guaranteed star
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: power at the wide receiver position With the number three
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: overall pick, you don't even have to compete with the Titans.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: If Mayo and Wolf are leery about adding a corp
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: back to a roster that has so many holes, none
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: of which were plugged or addressed at all in free agency,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: and have enough self awareness to know that they can't
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: attract star power at the moment, then they need to
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: draft some star power, whether it's MHGT MHJ at three
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: or someone else at six or eleven. I think the
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Patriots are going to take the safe star power and
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: get the QB later.
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: It's not safe star power. There's no such thing like
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: he could be the best player in the draft. Orm
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: elite neighbors could be. As Daniel Jeremiah tweeted yesterday. So
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: what if he's the best receiver and you took Harrison.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe he's great anyway, Maybe you got the two. You know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: maybe they turn out to be the two best players
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: in the draft and no one cares. It won't matter
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: if you don't have anybody to throw it to him though.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: That's the bottom line for me. I've said it one
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: hundred times and I'll probably say it. These two guys
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: are worth missing on. Like if they draft Jadon Daniels
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: or Drake May, it doesn't work. They can't figure it
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: out for whatever reason. Okay, you know, but I think
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: they're both worst.
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you a line of thoughts.
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Sorry, Yev. You know, just doing the mail bag this week,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: and there were a lot of questions this week. I mean,
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: obviously this draft, that's you know, you have the third
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: pick of the draft. But I was surprised. There's a
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: tenor among the questions that are sort of hopeful about
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett that I just don't I just don't understand.
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: Oh, you should read my film review tomorrow.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: I just, I really just don't understand how anybody could
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: have watched the last seven years of Jacoby Watch.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Him in Cleveland in twenty two with this coaching staff,
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: did I Yeah, yeah, I watched him against the Patriots,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: one of the worst games I've seen. So that's one
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: game he started eleven of them. That was his worst
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: game by far.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I watched him underthrow about seventeen wide
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: open guys in that game, starting with like the second
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: play of the game.
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: He did not play well.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Now that's fair, and he.
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: Is below five hundred for seven years. He's never had
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: a winning season. He's not an odning team, not one.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Shaan Watson did so much better in twenty twenty two,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: when for then Jacoby Ressett.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: It's not about Deshaun Watson'm talking about Jacoby Brissett. When
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: he plays, he doesn't play well. Yeah, played to Shawn Watson. Okay, great, Okay,
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: keep going to Sean Watson's not on the team. I
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: Sehn Watson's in Cleveland. I'm talking about the Patriots quarterback.
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: There's a tenor that I that I felt, and maybe
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: Evan got them started based on this argument.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: He's better than I think, he's better than you think.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: That's all.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: I think he's worse than people think. I think people
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: haven't watched him. I think I just think people haven't
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: watched him, and they just think that the Patriots took
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: him and he's got the magic sauce or I just
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: don't think he's a very good player. He's a He's
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: a stop gap who I would hope plays about five
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: or six games max, and then whoever we pick at
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: three gets plugged in.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: You think that's my ideal.
• 42:51
  Speaker 9: I have seen this, like random spark of hope from people,
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: like I was a salon or something and someone's like,
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: my husband said, the Patriots signed a quarterback, and I
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: was confused by the enthusiasm, Like she was really excited.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: People don't see quarterback yeah.
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: And I was like, I could see why you could
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: be happy, like to have a competent guy back out there.
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: But he's not the answer. No, it's just one. No
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: one is saying he's the I don't think he's anymore.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: People are He's what.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: I'm trying to talk. We're talking themselves into it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: On the field, he's nothing more than what Paul said,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: a stop gap. However, however, fault, did you hear what
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I just said?
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, people think he's a stop gap.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: However, no, I think on the field he's nothing more
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: than a stop gap. However, in the quarterback room, he
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: elevates that room immediately in terms of quality. Like everybody
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: who has worked with him says how amazing he is
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: as a as a teammate and a person. And I think, again,
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I know this is not sexy to talk about, but
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Gerard has to worry about the locker room. That's part
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: of his job. And you're bringing in a quality person
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: who can be a stop gap into the quarterback room
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: that was in hav It. It was not talking. It
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: was a terrible room last year. So right there, he's
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: upgraded at least the room if you bring in if
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the plan is to bring any young quarterback, that's a must.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: You need a veteran presence in there that's a quality person.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: And for that reason, I think it was a good signing.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think that He's more than just a
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: clipboard holder. That's all. Like, I agree with you one
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: hundred percent. And I made that point in the film
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: review I'm publishing tomorrow about him, that yes, there's good
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: habits that he had brings to the table, whether it's
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: during the week even in game, like you see him
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: blocking forty yards downfield on reverses and stuff like that. Now,
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: I don't want, you know, the first, you know, the
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: third overall pick to necessarily do that, but it's the
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: effort thing, right that he puts out there every single day.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: I think that Jacoby Presset's better than Paul does. That's it.
• 44:51
  Speaker 5: You know. You look at twenty twenty two in this
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: offense with Alex van Pelt with the Browns, he was
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: eighth in QBR. He's basically a top fifteen to sixteen
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: quarterback in the league. During his starts with the Cleveland Browns. Statistically,
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: he's eighth in QBR, he's twelfth in PFF grade, he
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: was tenth in EPA per dropback. Like, all the numbers
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: are right there telling you that this guy was playing
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: well for the Browns. And now is he the answer?
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: Is he a long term solution at the position? Of
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: course not. But the point is is that he's a
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: very capable player in the role that they're going to
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: ask him to play.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Do you think that those numbers can be kind of
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: just managed by being conservative.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: No, because he threw a lot of big time throws
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: down the field too.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, like it, just what about game winning drives?
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: That was his one achilles, his one achilles. He had
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: two games, one against the Jets, one against the Dolphins, ironically,
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: where he threw picks on game winning drive attempts. One
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: of them the Jets one was like thirteen seconds left
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: and they were twenty yards out of field goal range
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: and he tried to fit one into, you know, a
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: tight window and he got intercepted the Dolphins almost bad.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: He threw a pick in the end zone that was
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: pretty bad. But you look at his numbers, you look
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: at some of the film that he's able to put out.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: Is he the long term answer? No, of course not.
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: But is he a very capable stop gap quarterback for
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: next year? I think the biggest thing to me is
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: you don't need to rush the number three overall pick
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: onto the field.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: You think he's better than mac jonesy, I agree with you.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Think he's better than Mac Jones could be some day.
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: I think that Jacobe presseaid in twenty twenty two was
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: better quarterback play than what they got out of the
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: last two years from MC and Bailey's app.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: See what you said about the locker room makes this
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: a proper move, right, But I don't think he's any
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: better than Mac Jones. I don't know.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: It's just you don't want to rush the third overall
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: pick on the field, and I don't think they're gonna
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: feel like they have to totally because Jacoby Pressett's terrible
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: to get.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: Him off the field.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: I'm totally with that.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Like, this is a professional backup who will hold the
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: spot until you want You don't have to until you
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: want to, and there's probably not a ton of pressure to,
• 46:55
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• 46:58
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• 48:11
  Speaker 2: What's up, Christian?
• 48:13
  Speaker 11: Hey, how you.
• 48:13
  Speaker 12: Guys doing today? Great great discussion. I'm started by saying
• 48:18
  Speaker 12: I am absolutely sick and beside myself with different themes already,
• 48:24
  Speaker 12: it seems like they overvalue dugger and miss on the
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: free safety.
• 48:31
  Speaker 13: It seems like they are doing the same stupid thing
• 48:35
  Speaker 13: by trying to plug people into positions that they don't
• 48:38
  Speaker 13: really play on, will you, because they want to get
• 48:41
  Speaker 13: a value or something like this, the guy cold strange
• 48:43
  Speaker 13: who is absolutely not qualified to be a starting guard.
• 48:48
  Speaker 13: And then we do the same thing at receiver that
• 48:51
  Speaker 13: we've always done. We don't really push the envelope to
• 48:55
  Speaker 13: spend the big money, but we get a guy who's almost.
• 48:58
  Speaker 10: Good enough to be good.
• 49:00
  Speaker 13: And now we're in position at number three to take
• 49:03
  Speaker 13: a quarterback who's almost good enough to be great or elite,
• 49:07
  Speaker 13: but he's really not right. And so now we're going
• 49:10
  Speaker 13: to just go another year or two waiting and hoping
• 49:13
  Speaker 13: for these guys to turn into what we should have
• 49:15
  Speaker 13: just actually went out and got. I think the most
• 49:18
  Speaker 13: intangible thing, and I'll rafle Abyss is every two Bowl winning,
• 49:24
  Speaker 13: playoff winning quarterback, the guys that get really up there
• 49:26
  Speaker 13: have one in tangible you can say, this guy's unusually this,
• 49:31
  Speaker 13: you know, like Josh Allen unusually strong, Patrick Mahomes unusually dexterous,
• 49:37
  Speaker 13: Lamar Jackson unusually athletic, even back to Joe Montana and
• 49:41
  Speaker 13: all those guys. When you look at Drake May and
• 49:43
  Speaker 13: Jaden Daniel or our print to possible choices? What are
• 49:47
  Speaker 13: they unusually good at?
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: And I would say Daniels does too. I agree with Fred.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: No, I think I think they they each have traits
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: that are putting them in the first round. Yeah, there's
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: no doubt.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: And I would disagree that that that Drake May.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: What I've watched their teeth.
• 50:06
  Speaker 13: I haven't seen a NFL I've seen them throw the
• 50:09
  Speaker 13: open gun.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: I say, great, okay, I've seen I've seen a lot
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: of NFL thing about Lamar Jackson.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: You just mentioned Lamar Jackson. You mentioned his dexterity or
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: whatever athleticism, so he.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: What you hear? Said Joe Montanna the same thing.
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: What was his what was his extraordinary thing?
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Coolness? U?
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: But really so that was something you identified.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I'm joking, but I think with Lamar Jackson he didn't
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: have NFL throws on his tape, so the only I
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: would just just right, So does Jayden Daniels.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: And Drake May.
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like these guys are really good athletes.
• 50:46
  Speaker 13: Great.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not telling you believe or not believe. I'm just
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: telling you this NFL talent for both of them, Like
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: just saying that they're they're not quite good enough to
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: be good. Well, Drake May might miss Drake No, you
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: said no, you said good, they're not quite good enough
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: to be good. That's what you said. And Drake May
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: is more than talented enough to be an excellent player,
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: whether he is or not is going to rely on
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: all the other things that that we have no way
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: of knowing. Does he have an aptitude for the position.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Does he have the ability to to put bad plays
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: behind him immediately?
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: Is he clutch?
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: Is he understanding and adapting to the when teams make
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: adjustments to him? And he's got the the anterest that
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of things that go into being good.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Talent will not be the reason why Drake May fails.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: And even if it's like if you you know, and
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: thanks for the call, Christian, you know.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Like Drake May is one of the more talented guys
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: that you'll see. His upside is through the room. But
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean he's going to be great.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: If you look at, you know, the thesis that he's presenting.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: You know, anybody who's going to be great has that
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: thing early on that you can point to that's you know,
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: his secret. Sauce Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow in his last
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: year started winning and producing. But was there any one
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: thing that Joe Burrow did that was like elite? No,
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: he just did it all pretty good, you know.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: And then I mean, I think he did but yeah,
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: that's me. But there was questions for him about all
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: the stuff we talked about.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: His difference that we found out once he got here
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: was up here.
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: It's upstairs skills, so ridiculous. Yeah, I think that that's
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: when I mentioned that all this conversation about why these
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks fail is making the rounds today. I think I
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: feel like it's all the things that Paul was kind
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: of getting at, which is, we don't know about their
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: competitive toughness, We don't know about their work ethic, we
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: don't know about, you know, how they're wired. Like we
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: can watch them on film, we can watch the highlights
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: and we can say, oh, this guy can do this,
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: this guy can do that. But what makes all of
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: these guys truly great that are great is this like
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: maniacal competitiveness.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Let me let me just just use this one thing
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: as an example. No right or wrong answers here, But
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: would you say how would you say Lamar Jackson and
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Kyler Murray compare like physically, athletically pretty comparable. Yes, athletically,
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: why do you why do you think Lamar Jackson is
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: so much better than Kyler?
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: He's six inches taller.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: No, I also that's that's a reason.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: That's one.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: That's that's a reason. But I'm not going to say
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: it's the only one.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: But I also think he was on a better team that.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to say it's built around stuff that
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Evan just talked about with work ethic and.
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: Is writing his contract. He can't play videos, his.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: Willingness to learn and watch film and study and be
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: prepared and do all the stuff that it takes to
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: be a great quarterback. And I don't know that based
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: on reports, I don't know, Kyler Murray might be unfair.
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: I'm going off reports that may or not be accurate,
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: but that's not his reputation. I think athletically, I think
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: Christian would have said athletically, that's the one thing that
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: makes him athletic. I mean, this is a guy who
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: was going to be a number one draft pick in
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: baseball too. This guy's athleticism is through the roof. But
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: yet he's not as good as Lamar Jackson. Why is that.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: He's not as pretty to watch Ronni either.
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: I mean, by the way, Arizona two years ago, three
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: years ago had as good a team as anybody in football,
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: you know, talent wise. They were at the top of
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: the league with like one loss, right there was like
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: one loss. They were as talented as anybody. So it's
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: not like he didn't go to Cleveland and was never
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: heard fro him. Again, it wasn't just about that. There's
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: a there's a drive that Tom Brady has that other
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: people don't. It's not just like having that elite ability.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: But I think Mac is an interesting one too, because
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: I feel like he was one of those guys that
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: has a lot of drive but doesn't have a lot
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: of talent. And that was kind of the question going
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: into this year was can you work hard enough to
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: elevate yourself? And I mean I just I mean, he's
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: a special case and all that, but but I I.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: I definitely get this position.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think at this position you can do it
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: on just you know, heart want to. You know, it's
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: not a.
• 54:58
  Speaker 9: Want to have like mental toughness too, So I think
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: like there's another asset to it in terms of like
• 55:04
  Speaker 9: you can be a hard worker, you can have the talent,
• 55:07
  Speaker 9: but if you're not mentally tough, you're not going to
• 55:08
  Speaker 9: survive in this league.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: And processing speed, like how do you how do you
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: replicate that in a tryout? You can't. Until there's a
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: fear of getting killed, you can't replicate.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: And Drake May may not have any of those talents.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: And I count them as talents, not just in tangible I.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: Think a lot of the you know, to the caller,
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: what's Lamar jack you know, or what's Jaden Daniel's superpower?
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: His athleticism? You said that for Lamar Jackson, it's Jaden
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: Daniel is one of the best runners in college football
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: since Lamar Jackson.
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: I agree.
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: You know, Drake May, what's his superpower is his arm
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: talent and his like his sheer size. Yeah, I mean
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: the guy, the guy has an absolute howitzer, Like he
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: can throw it off his back foot, he can throw
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: it eighty yards in the air like there. It's that
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: that's what he's got going for him is pure pure gas,
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: pure arm talent, and that that's you can't teach that.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: You know, It's got something that he's physically, he's the prototype.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: He's Josh Allen, He's Justin Herbert. He's six foot four,
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: he's two hundred and twenty five pounds, and he's got
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: a huge arm, Like he's the prototype.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Like some of these guys, I think, you you get
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: talked into and they they do lack some physical abilities,
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: you know, And you know, maybe Bryce Young is one
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: of these guys that is just flat out not big
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: enough to play at the NFL level without the ability
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: to move around and run, and they probably at his
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: size don't want him doing that a lot. Right, So
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: there might be some physical but most of these guys
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: are off the charts in terms of physical ability, but
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: some of them don't hit.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: Why I think, like Mac, I, this draft class probably
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: not want it's because we're back into this whole thing unfortunately.
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: Like with Mac, I think the one thing that I
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: did learn is to to douce his point that that's
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: not enough, Like you have to have a baseline foundation
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: of physical skills in this level. You can't just be
• 57:00
  Speaker 5: Matt coming out was the worker. He was the processor,
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: he was the decision maker. He was the guy you
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: know that he's going to play, you know, chess at
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage and do all all. That's all
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: well and good, but this isn't you're You're not sitting
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: with a Madden controller like actually I go out there and.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Actually that was Christian's point, But I think that by
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: using Jaden Daniels in Drake May as examples was wrong.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: They do have physical yeah ye, well.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like so dexterity or something abnormal dexterity, No superpower,
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: superpower is abnormal dexterity. Do you ever see the angles
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: that he's made, some of those? He always working, Blue,
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: He's always working.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: I was going to say something really smart, and then
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: you just had to do that.
• 57:45
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• 57:49
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• 59:02
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• 59:09
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  Speaker 16: All right, Chris shaking his head. Chris doesn't even know
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  Speaker 16: who that is, all right. As we said last time,
• 59:43
  Speaker 16: the new league year started a couple of days ago,
• 59:46
  Speaker 16: and with that comes some rule change proposals, all right,
• 59:50
  Speaker 16: And so every year these get submitted, and not every
• 59:54
  Speaker 16: single one gets put in, Chris, and some of these,
• 59:57
  Speaker 16: some of these have pretty some of these clubs have
• 59:59
  Speaker 16: pretty good I and they vote on them. So, for example,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 16: the Eagles put in request to permit a team to
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 16: maintain possession of the ball after score by substituting one
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 16: offensive play fourth and twenty from the kicking team's twenty
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 16: yard line for an onside kick attempt. That's an example
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 16: of one. And Chris, this is done because the onside
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 16: kick has been ruined. It never hits anymore, honestly, like
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 16: it's absurd, And so these teams need a way to
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 16: get the ball back. And so we're not gonna go
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 16: through all of the uh rules brought in, but we
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 16: thought it'd be fun to maybe go over some rule
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 16: changes that we'd add to the league.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: Well, you mentioned the on side kick one tis and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, yes, they don't hit, but at the same time,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: when they do, you like, oh.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: That was sick.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 16: Well, they used to Chris, don't if you remember in
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 16: the twenty ten they used to hit all the time,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 16: all right, all right, like like it's it's now it's
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 16: just like you're just you're, you're. It's like a lottery
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 16: hit and it barely works. They didn't hit all the time,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 16: they hit more than more than now.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: I think a big thing with the on side kick, though,
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: is how creative teams try to be with it, Like
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: they set up two people on both sides of the ball,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: like I'm gonna kick it to the left and I'll
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 6: kick it with my back heel. Now it doesn't go
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: ten yards. Now, everybody's scrambling to try to get the ball,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: try to wafer it to go ten yards, and if
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: it does, the other.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 16: Team just diving up. Anyway, they change it because of
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 16: player safety. And I hate to be the old man,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 16: like I know I've turned it into one, but like,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 16: listen that at some point it's a contact sport and
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 16: just bring back the old ones kick. But that's not
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 16: gonna happen. So these teams need to find out a
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 16: way to get the ball back. And it's just kind
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 16: of crazy though, because if you have a player like
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 16: Mahomes like the fourth and twenty. He gets third and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 16: twenties all the time, so it's it could be electric,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 16: but I don't know.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 7: It's harder than you think, though.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 16: I feel like, oh, obviously, obviously, but teams will find
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 16: a way to get done. But anyways, some rule, some
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 16: rule changes I'd like to see, and so somebody, I think,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 16: I forget what team was, they submitted that the play
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 16: clock shows tenths of a second and or maybe it
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 16: was just the overall scoreboard for the final two minutes
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 16: and a half. I think that'd be electric. But to
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 16: go off that, I think they need to incorporate a
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 16: buzzer for the play clock because it's really just being
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 16: the ref looking at the eyes. Think about how many
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 16: times the play clock expires and the ref looks but
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 16: the ball is already snapped. If there was a buzzer,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 16: I don't know it would I think a lot of
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 16: things would change.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: I agree with that. I think the buzzer is a
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: good play there. I mean it makes a big difference
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: in basketball, like being able to hear it and you know,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: hanging onto the ball for too long obviously get penalized
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: and also looks way worse on you and hear that buzzer, You're.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 16: Like, oh no, and hey, I'm be transparent to the past.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 16: We've gotten lucky. I forget it was last year, maybe
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 16: two years ago we had one where the play clock
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 16: gets fired and it just snapped. So I and it
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 16: just like, it's the rules, and now we're just having
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 16: a ref where we already have ref situations. Yeah, give
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 16: them some help to go off that too. We got
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 16: to get rid of the chain gang. All right, it's
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 16: I know it's a football staple, but it is twenty
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 16: twenty four. Put some damn sensors in the ball. Where
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 16: we're going with this visible yellow line. Chris, you really
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 16: you really think your chain guys, and you don't want
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 16: any backup because there are times you'll see it. Players
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 16: will move the balls. You're having the sixty five year
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 16: old man spot the ball with millions of dollars on
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 16: the line because of all the gambling and stuff. And
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 16: he's like, oh, I'm going to push back a little
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 16: in it's game benches, I know, but it doesn't need
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 16: to be. We can have like some sat and stone
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 16: stuff here.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know who does good job with that
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: is tennis tennis doesn't really good. Yeah, with their VR
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: and kind of immediately if there's a close play they
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 6: go to it. They nope, that was out. All right,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: on to the next thing. But I think you don't
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: want to change football too much, okay, And a big
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: reason behind that is everybody that has grown up with
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: it are so used to everything like change is good,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 6: Like there has been changes, like change is very good
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: in a lot of senses. But there are a lot
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: of ways, I should say. But I think changing the
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: little intricate things like that a little bit different.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 16: You know, there was a time without instant like challenging
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 16: to play, right, Yeah, if people like didn't like it
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 16: at first, could you imagine not being able to challenge
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 16: a play now, Chris, I think I.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: Have been alive for the entire the entire time to play,
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: so I can't I can't look back on the old
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: times like that. But I didn't. I don't know. I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: think I just think the change.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 6: Screw like makes like football get more like whoa, Like
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: you're more engaged, not like alright, yeah, first.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 7: Down games over, you know what I mean? Something like that?
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: All right, get down to the wire. I think the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: chain crew actually provides more of a you know, I.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 16: Think it's there, but I think you can enhance it.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 16: That's why I'm getting that. Any any other any other rules, Chris,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 16: any other things you want to add.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, if I if I were able to change
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: one of the NFULL rules, I think I would try
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 6: to add like a three or four point play.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 16: Big XFL guy here, Yeah, I mean, I'll it's football, right,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 16: you'll tune in XFL.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 6: But in the NFL, I think trying to add a
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: three or four point play. I mean, this is probably
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: a crazy take that people could rip me on. But
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 6: set somebody up at the fifteen, you know, if they
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: convert it three points, set them up at twenty five,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 6: convert it get four points. I think that's it. Like
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 6: you like, level it at that, but I think that's difficult.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: I think it's engaging. I think fans are like, oh,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 6: that was actually pretty interesting seeing what they just did there.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 6: You have to develop a whole their play style. Like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: I kind of feel this way for the on side
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 6: kick idea, where it becomes now something you're practicing rather
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 6: than just a kick ten yards, like a ball going
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: ten yards on an onside kick, or you know, going
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: for two from the two yard line.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 16: So, so here, are you pro kicker or anti kicker?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 16: I'm pro kicker, Okay, I think it takes a lot
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 16: of talent to be a kid. Okay, all right, well
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 16: I'm pro kicker too. I like, I don't like that
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 16: they're being phased out.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: So I think you're you're a soccer guy. So I'm like,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: I guess I'm pro kicker because I support ut is there.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: So I mean, I think it's interesting. I think it's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: something to be considered. I think what the XFL does,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 6: it's a much different brand obviously yea now the UFL,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: but a much different style of football, and that's their
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: whole point of their business. And the NFL has its
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 6: own brand, so I you don't want that to become
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: the UFL.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: Yep, God, you can definitely grow.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 16: And so one more thing is that they need to
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 16: sort out these overtime rules. I hated how they did
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 16: the Super Bowl. I don't like it in the regular season.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 16: We just need one solid thing. That is a story
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 16: for a different day, though, Chris, because I could go
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 16: on about that for twenty minutes. Listen, all these teams
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 16: put in rule changes. They don't always get overturned or approved.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 16: It says all proposals must be proved by seventy five
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 16: percent of the owners to be adopted. So we'll see
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 16: what happens. I don't think we did any this year,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 16: but you know that's probably because we have our own
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 16: crap going on. We gotta gotta, we gotta build our
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 16: team before we change the rules. All right, all right, guys,
• 1:06:43
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• 1:06:46
  Speaker 16: thanks for joining. As always, let's get back to the show.
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  Speaker 3: just candy, you know what was your your your household?
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  Speaker 4: Like I had an Easter basket like everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: Now the kids would go on the Easter egg hunt
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  Speaker 2: and the parents would bet on who's gonna find.
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  Speaker 4: More they Uh, it's always open season on Paul.
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  Speaker 3: We just definitely go to that mass though, what's that?
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  Speaker 3: It's a long mass. They do like the whole thing,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: the whole like stations.
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  Speaker 2: Did you ever have as a kid have to walk
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: the station of the Cross?
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  Speaker 7: Uh?
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  Speaker 2: Probably yeah, probably at.
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  Speaker 3: The Rosary beads I was confirmed and everything I was.
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  Speaker 5: I don't have a lot of second time in my
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  Speaker 5: life not too long ago, and I felt dirty, like
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  Speaker 5: I'm really sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I think if I walked in, I'd be struck
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  Speaker 2: by lightning.
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  Speaker 3: They've changed stuff though, Like you know, you get used
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  Speaker 3: to the Catholic masses. They're not They're not the same anymore.
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  Speaker 5: doing this on purpose.
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  Speaker 2: We had some trivia at halftime. I know Paul likes
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: it's my favorite time of the show. What College? This
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  Speaker 2: is so easy? What college did Richard Seymour go to?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 4: How old myself?
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Georgia, Georgia Claire got it?
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: Hey girl, someone had to say the right answer?
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  Speaker 3: Cleaning up on trivia? How many times had she won?
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: Claire? I think we need to dcute her. I know,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: it's like the Tom Brady commercial with vincevon Now it's like,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: not you Tom.
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  Speaker 3: She's got like twenty five PU T shirts.
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  Speaker 2: Who won the Well? I don't think she received any.
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  Speaker 5: Of It's got them all?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: Who won the nineteen ninety eight Rose Bowl michieteam ninety eight.
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  Speaker 5: Michigan, Michigan is correct against Miami. Right, why do you
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  Speaker 5: know that because Tom Brady played in the game.
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  Speaker 4: That has incorrect?
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: John and San Diego got it?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: Is it ninety nine?
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: Tom Brady didn't play in the Rose Bowl?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: He did?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: Isn't that the Orange Bowl? Orange Bowl? Yeah? I knew
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: it was one of the big bulls, big breakout.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Michigan played.
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  Speaker 4: In it, so it would have been Brian Greasy.
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  Speaker 5: The year before, assuming that they're referencing the Orange Bowl
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  Speaker 5: that Brady played in that was like his bib.
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  Speaker 4: That would have been ninety nine, right, because that would
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  Speaker 4: be the last Brady's last year.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, could have been the ninety eight yeah, I think
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: ninety seven they won the national title, so it would
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: have been the ninety eight Rose Bowl. I think it's
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: Brian Greasy.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Finally, what number did Rohan Davy? Six? Six is correct?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: And it was over here?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 4: It was always center.
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  Speaker 5: I believed in Rohan Day, Jacoby Brother.
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  Speaker 3: Michael Bishop.
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  Speaker 4: That was another one.
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  Speaker 3: People believe that.
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  Speaker 15: Clar says she's only won twice and she's received both shirts.
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  Speaker 2: I'm back, Claire, you say so, all right back here?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Eight five five past five hundred is the ace taken?
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: Hout line. Let's get right back to the phones. Chris
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: and Connecticut has been holding on. What's up, Chris? Chris
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: been holding on too long?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 7: He gave up.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Uh. Todd's in North Carolina. What's up? Todd?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 16: Hey?
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  Speaker 8: The I know it wasn't the Chris with the t
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 8: I N that called in earlier, but I think he
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: kind of had a point with what he was saying
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 8: about a quarterback. I don't think that it's a superpower
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 8: you're looking for. You're looking for somebody that can elevate
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 8: the people around him, and it's going to inquire a
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 8: little bit of leadership, but that it requires the skill.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 8: It's the culmination of the two and I don't think
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 8: mac Jones could do that. I think mac Jones was
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 8: elevated by coaching and maybe some other people helping him.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 8: I think it's you know, you need somebody like a
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 8: and Peyton Brady could do it, and right now you
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 8: see Mahomes can do it.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: You have to be a leader.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 8: What's the face in Buffalo actually does it? It doesn't
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 8: feel like he he doesn't feel like he elevates them.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: It feels like he just improvised. So I think that's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 8: the quality that you really need in your quarterback? What
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 8: do you guys think?
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: I think you do, and I think, but I think
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen has it.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: No, he's trash, Yeah, I have him, he's supposed to be.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: I can't do it with Patriots fans of Josh Allen like,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, he's really really good. I'm a lot of
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: people's feelings.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: But yeah, all the great quarterbacks are good.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Leader guy has a stud I mean, it's it's hard
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: to be great at that spot and not be a
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: great leader. I agree with I agree with that premise
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 4: of it, but.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's not what Christian was saying.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: No, Christian was saying that you have to have the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: elite talent to be in that spot, and he doesn't
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: believe that these guys do, which is fine. That's the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: ironic part of the whole discussion is if you don't
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: think that Jayden Daniels or Drake may or Caleb Williams
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: or any of these guys has the ability, that's nothing
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: wrong with that. I think everybody has different opinions on
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: different guys. But I just don't know how you can
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: watch a guy play like Jayden Daniels and not say
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: he's got elite athleticism. I don't know how you can
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: come to that determination.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's elevate, but I also think there's an
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 3: element that guys have to want to play for you,
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: like and you know, it's it's not like you're necessarily
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 3: elevating them. It's just they're gonna play hard for you.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: And you know, even quarterbacks who aren't necessarily the most talented,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: like I would say, like a Ryan Fitzpatrick is the
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: first random example that comes my head of just a
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: guy that he's not great, he doesn't have a lot
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: of but guys like him, they want to play for him,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: and he won some games over the years that especially
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: one here that you know he probably shouldst.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: Yes, but yeah, your point is absolutely valid, Like there's
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: a guy who got the most out of what he
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: had because of all those other things. Breaking new sound
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: when news breaks Adam's.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: Bengals are signing Trent Brown according to Ian Rappaport.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 9: Okay, anyways, so Kirk Cousins falls into that category that
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 9: you're maybe.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: A little bit, but I think he's I mean, he's
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: got more talented, tremendous leader. Yes, yeah, but yeah, I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: think you know it's and you know, it's I don't know,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 3: I just I'm trying to draw the connection between like
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: how do you elevate guys like you know, It's like
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 3: you don't really elevate them. They play, they play harder,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: they play better, you know you I mean, I.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: Do you do elevate? But I think people feel like
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: some of these guys are not that good. They just
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: you know, they're a great leader, they're scrappy, they're overachievers.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: But there's a level of ability that isn't like Kirk Cousins. Listen,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: Kirk Cousins isn't my cup of tea as a quarterback,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: I think you're limited. But he's a really good passer
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: and he's obviously smart enough to understand defenses to the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: level he's had as much success as he's had in
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: the league. Right, So this isn't this ability there that's
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 4: high end. Then you add in Tamara's leadership qualities that
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: I think put him probably at a level a little
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 4: bit higher.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's a good play I mean, I don't
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: love him, but he's a really good player and has
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: been for a long time.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: And there's so many instances with kir Cousins of like
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: you like that or him with the chain dancing Gregory King.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: He's just a lovable kind of.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: Guy and I'm still trying to figure out what game
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 5: this is bugging the craphead of me.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 9: I'm interested to see I'm interested to see him in Atlanta,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 9: Like I just feel like the whole chain thing is
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 9: just going to continue to.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 5: Just that offense should be good. I mean, they have
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: all the pieces for that offense to be really, really good,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: So it'll be interesting to see what they look like.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: Barton Poland rights and I'm cautiously optimistic about this offseason.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: When you listen to people from the outside the organization,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: they praise the Patriots for the moves they've made so far,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: for not going crazy with the money, which almost never
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: works out free agency in the long term. Most of
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: the complaints come from Patriots fans, and that's understandable. The
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: team's fans will always have a slightly skewed judgment, and
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: it's not exclusive to Patriots fans. How many Bears fans
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: want to lynch the front office for an objectively good
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: move moving on from fields. In drafting, Caleb an appeal
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: to fans be patient a.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 5: Little bit, but I agree with his overall point that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: the national media seems to be a lot higher on
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 5: what the Patriots are doing than the local people. And
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: I think the local people are uneasy, like there's just
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: unrest here and they want to be competitive again, and
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: they have that angle of it, which I totally understand.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 5: But a lot of these national places are saying the
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: Patriots have had a very shrewd, very tepid, but smart offseason.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: Can I apply on that?
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'm going to start by saying I think
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 4: that this free agency year in general has really not
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 4: been like Fred you started the whole show by saying
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: like something about Patriots haven't really made any splashes. I
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: don't really think there have been very many splashes period
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: in the league. I don't think it was a great
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: free agent class top to bottom. There was some good
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: players available, and some of those, you know, Christian Wilkins,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: got big money, but I don't think there were a
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: lot of those. So I think it was kind of
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 4: quiet in general around the league. But the reason I
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: think that national guys are higher on what the Patriots
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: did than the local guys is because the local guys
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: no more and the national guys are still in denial.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: They're still in denial as to how far down the
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: Patriots fell over the last couple of years. And they
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: think by resigning guys and you know, mixing in a
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: couple of quality veterans, that represents a great offseason. And
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: I'm fine with I am not killing the offseason. Let
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: me state that definitively. I think some of the moves
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: they made have been fine. But I think people look
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: at it like, well, this was twenty seventeen. They didn't
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: need to go out and sign Christian Wilkins or Daniel
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: Hunter off the air, didn't need to make those kinds
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: of moves. They just plug in a couple of guys
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: here and there, and you're fine, that's not with the
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: Patriots are right now. And I've seen a lot of
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: I've seen a lot of national guys I think, you know,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: say like they were one of the better I think
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: I think I saw they were like seventh in the
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: AFC for a grading in the the the off season,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: the free agency, and like, okay, then that either I
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 4: don't think much of what everybody else has done, or
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: you just think that these moves are going to put
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: the Patriots in a position higher than I think they are.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: I don't yeah, I just think I agree with what
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: you're saying. I just just to tell you what I
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: think they're saying is more on the lines of it's
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: it's been proven that going out and spending a bunch
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: of money in free agency to fix your team is
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: not as a way to turn yourself into it. And
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: I would agree with that. They've spent the good amount
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: of money though. Well, but like you know, the Splash signings,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: you know the.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: Think do you think the rankings would be higher or
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: lower if they had signed Calvin Ridley higher? So basically
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: you're telling me what the Patriots do is going to
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: be given that grade. And I think we're still there
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: nationally like the Patriots did it, so it's right. I
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: think we're still there. I don't know how I agree
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: with you. I don't know how.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 5: I just think it's they look at it from a
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: we know here back in twenty twenty one, we just
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: did this, that you spent all the money.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: It looks great in March, f and in December we
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: still did this. We were all talking for months about
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: Bill won't be back next year. Nationally, they were laughing
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: at us. The talking heads in Boston want to run
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: Belichick out of town. Those mean talk show hosts on
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: your show, my shows wanted to run Belichick out of town.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: They were in complete denial. They had no idea that
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: he was getting fired. They had none.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: Nope. Who was right, Rich Eisen The people that are
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: watching were right. They're not watching. They still think it's
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 5: twenty sixteen.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go to the A Sticket Hutline Johnson, York,
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  Speaker 2: Hey John, John, Wow, it's only on for twelve minutes. Uh,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Ben and Chestnut Hills.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: There's another good segment on the sports up coming out?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Does Hey? Ben?
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 11: I was just wondering your thoughts. I was thinking about
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 11: like team building and just like how the NFL has
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 11: been in the past few years. And I'm honestly not
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 11: too upset like that we didn't over spend and like
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 11: make a big splash. I think like this really goes
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 11: a little more long term than that. But I just
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 11: I'm not familiar enough with like how cap space work.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 11: Can you guys talk a little bit about like if
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 11: we had like thirty million dollars left of cap space
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 11: going into the season, Like what does that mean for
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 11: the team?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: It rolls over, so the caps space will roll over
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: into next year. Now, you have expenditures between now and
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: then the draft signing, the draft class, injured reserve, practice squad,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: you know, things like that that will cut into it.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: But if they let's say they they spent about ten
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: to fifteen million of it and all those different types
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: of things, they have twenty million dollars in cap space,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: you add, it rolls over into the twenty twenty five
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: year league year.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: But it also does it doesn't limit them like going forward,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: like to leave money for next year. You know, it
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: doesn't really matter because even though you have thirty million,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: that's that's different than what you have to spend. So
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: like they could spend one hundred million this year, and
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: the way they structure the deal still be under the
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: cap as long as they figure it out. So no,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: but they have to make decisions in order to do that,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: and that's where the cap comes in. But you can
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: how you structure the deal is more important, and the
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: guaranteed money and when it's paid out is more important
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: than the cap number.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 5: Okay, I will say that a lot of the deals
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: that they've signed and a lot of like they don't
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: have a lot of players under contract for twenty twenty five.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: I mean the veterans. Only one of them got more
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: than two years and that was Gibson.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: I think, yeah, he got three. And they don't have
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: the one and everybody yet time. Yeah, I think I
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 5: think they have something like forty in house free agents
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five right now, So forty.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 9: Does that money goes towards the reports of working on
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 9: Judon's contract in the short term.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: Shirt Judon. That's news to Judon by the.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: Way, Yeah, I loved that.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, That's why I said, because that was the bot.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 5: That was one of the bots. Yeah, and I love that.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, In like a Christian Barmore extension will probably cost
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: them money in the immediate as well if they were
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 5: to do that. Obviously, if they agree to an extension
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: with Duggar, that would that would lower his number potentially,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: but like guys like bar More Judon, any new money
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 5: would potentially kick in this year.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: So this is March twentieth, twenty twelve and eight and
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: eight zero win for the Bruins.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: Okay, Jonathan, why one of those this is this day
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: in history?
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: Such a random game, Jonathan?
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: Is it has an MBA in accounting and is a
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: CPA candidate. He just has that in his email. Longtime
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: listener first time emailer Meryl Hodge came out and said
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: he has a second round grade on May. Meryl has
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: a good stretch of being correct. Do we put any
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: steak in his opinion? Sure?
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: Put in his opinion, just like I do anybody else
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: added to the soup of all these people's opinions.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't we all got I'd like to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: know why, Like.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: I'd also like to know what his stretch of being
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: correct is.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: Chris Sims had had Harrison like third receiver.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: Well, Chris Sims has Joe Milton his number four, right
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: or something like that. No, I don't think he has
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: no HEAs does something weird like that he.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: Got is something weird? Otherwise people won't talk about it.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I but I put that in with all
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: the other guys, Like why why should I ignore one
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: guy because doesn't agree with.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: My I just like to know his details, like what's
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: he seeing or what's he not seeing that others are.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: Trent writes in He's got a Dynasty question. By the way, Dynasty,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: we're going to have another final episode of our wrap
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: up with Jeff Benedict and Matt Hammachuck. We had them
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: both in studio at the same time, so yeah, that'll
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: be good, he says. In the episode of The Dynasty,
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: there was a clip from Super Bowl forty two, the
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: eighteen and one season. About the last thirty seconds. It
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: appeared Bill told Brady to play for a field goal.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: Immediately after, Brady said to Moss, we're canning that, and
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: then he threw a bomb. Do you guys think it
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: was edited to come across as Brady saying we're canning
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: that and going for the win? Or do you think
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: Brady really ignored Bill and threw the hail Mary to
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: Moss on his own. Interested to hear each of your
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: thoughts on this and also what are your opinions of
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Craft and Bill and Tom after watching The Dynasty? Did
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: it change the way you view any of them? So
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: I remember that part of the Remember that in The
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: Dynasty Brady just kind of went out, he went rogue
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: and said not with I.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: I don't remember I do in I would also, just
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: you know, not to be nitpicky. I don't think it
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: was a hail married Moss. I think they had Moss
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: deep down the side, you know, regular double coverage like
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: they had most of the year, and the guy made
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 4: a great play, got a hand on the ball.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: It was close.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: They had a.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: Shot, but that was from what I understand, Like, maybe
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: I guess they could have gotten into field goal, but
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think it was. It was like, how many
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: seconds were left?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: Thirty like thirty seconds. They could have gotten into field
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: but range.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: There was thirty seconds left.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they would have would if he had
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: caught the ball, they would have been like, he wasn't
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: gonna he caught that ball, absolutely, yeah, but they weren't
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: gonna go That wasn't gonna be a touchdown. He's going
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 5: to get tackled.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: But do you think that I think the question would
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: be that that the email is trying to get in
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: matriculated down the Can we can we throw three crosses
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: to Welker and get in field goal?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: Maybe I didn't remember that they got.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: It was feasible, sure, but I think they got sacked
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: on the first place. To me, that kind of eliminated
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: that right.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: And wasn't the throat of Moss the last play of
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: No, that was a bad editor edit Okay.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: They made it out to be that was the last
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: play of the game.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: It wasn't. Okay.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: I would also say that I wonder how your opinion
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: would change nothing. Who is this game?
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: It's ate nothing, brus.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: I also like, now getting into field goal range in
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: thirty seconds is nothing, Like you can you can do
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: that in a second.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: I mean like if that was Mahomes now I mean.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: Thirteen Yeah, And that's.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: That's why, Like I just remember my feeling there like
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: it was a lost cause.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: It wasn't. It wasn't a lost cause. It's because of
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: the I think the sack probably eliminated the chances of
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: a field goal.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, snarky Paulo.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: Chi mean you know, if cut it, would they have
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: gone for the field goal or they've just gone for it,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: try to get a touchdown.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: I don't trust didn't trust Castowski.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: So that's snarky.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: Sorry, missus Kestowski. If you're still listening. I say, I
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: went back and watched that last episode. I mean we
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 3: we watched it all together, but as a as just
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: a fawn, I went back and watched it, and I
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: think the last episode was really good. I just think,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: you know, and I say this as a as a
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: as a Patriots fan, not a Patriots like it's a
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: necessary part of this to tell the whole story. And
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: as I said on the wrap up, we'll always have
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: three games to glory. Do your job. You know, every
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: nice team I own, I own all of them.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: We will always have Paris, but I.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: Own all of them. And that'll that'll tell you what
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: all the games were and what the drama was of
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: the seasons and the ups and the downs. But look,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: as much as you don't want to admit it, like
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: all this other stuff, as they became the biggest thing
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: in sports, it was a part of that story and
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: they told it their way, and yes there were some holes,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 3: but I think in the end, if somebody watched that,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: they would have a full sense of what this Patriots
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: dynasty was. If you just watched America's game, you'd be like, wow,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: that's not the whole story. Like, you know, really, in
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: the context of the history of space, they were really good.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 5: This is part of it, you know.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: And now you watch the dynasty and it's like they
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: were really good and in a lot of ways even
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: more impressive, especially to win that last one, you know,
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: under the circumstances that they wanted. When you know, guys
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: like mccordy and Slater are telling you just how untenable
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: the situation was among between I should say Tom and Bill. Yeah,
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 4: you know, Slater was literally a goal between.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: But the joy had been taken out of winning. And
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: you know, I look at somebody.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: It didn't have to f and be that way.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was talking to someone because you know,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: if you were making a documentary about a wedding, would
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: you just focus on the negative? And I said, well,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: if it, yeah, I mean you'd want to know why
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: did it end?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: Where were the seeds being planted?
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean if they just had this magical
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 4: romance that never had any product story, then none of
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: them No, but none of that would make it into
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: the documentary. If they stayed married but they had an
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: affair between you, did they just ignore that part of
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: the story.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: Well, so showing the love part was set up the
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: tragedy pretty good, though, you know, Yeah, I.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: Think that the one thing, as someone that didn't watch
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: it with you guys, so that I think that that's cool. Honestly.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: I The one thing that I don't understand still is
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: why why did Bill even sit down for this and
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: it all it's either one thing. It's either that he
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: knew it was going to make him look bad so
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: he just let them do it to almost make them
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 5: look himself look sympathetic. I get like, is that possible
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: that he was sitting there and he was like, well,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 5: if they're just gonna drag me for ten episodes, I'll
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 5: just let them do it, and then they look like the.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's what it looked like.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: You say that.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: I think. I think as an organization, we made a
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: commitment to cooperate with this, you know, and I and
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: maybe it was naive to hope that it would come
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: out all rosy.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: I just feel like he had so many opportunities to
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: a to defend himself in some circumstances, but also to
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 5: show how great he was like and talk about some
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 5: of these games and some of these moments, and he
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: just didn't take any well.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. You know. The question in the
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: email was did after you see that, did your opinion
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: of any of the three change? My answers, No, I
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: think they're what I thought about them before the documentary
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: is what I think about them Now.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: It made me actually like Tom Brady, which was weird. No,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: I'm just kidding out, No, I I really felt I
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: didn't feel like I learned anything new or gain a
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: new perspective on anything. Really from one through set eight
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: those episodes like you know, the good stuff, bad stuff,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 3: I kind of knew it all. But those last two
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 3: episodes I think really just pulled the curtain back a
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: little bit on how much it was really falling apart
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: and the things. And we talked about it many times. No, well,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 3: I wasn't really listening to you at that point, so
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you're saying as much as I
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: was definitely a fan of the show. But but talk
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: about twenty nineteen. I was here for that, and I
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: saw the tension. I could see Brady looking miserable. I
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 3: could this is how it is. So I was here
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: for a season you know, of that, And that was
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: what was amazing to me was how did they get
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: to that season? I mean, how did they even get
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: through twenty seventeen and bring it back in eighteen. I
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: mean there's even probably more to mine out of that season,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: and then they just kind of skip over twenty nineteen,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: which is like, no, they went two more years together.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: They continued to do this.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: In twenty nineteen season, because that was my second year
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: on the beat, and that Brady that season was a
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 5: miserable human being, right, and they were what eight and
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: nine to zero or something before the Baltimore game, and
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 5: that's what.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: They get some criticism for the documentary for not illustrating.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 5: That I will never forget standing in Tennessee or is
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 5: it Detroit one of those joint practices Detroit? And somebody
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: asked him about his contract and it was it was bad.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 5: Like he was like, mister yeah, go ask mister Kraft.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: And you could tell on his face that like at
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 5: that point, I was like, this is it, Like he's
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 5: he's gone.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, they could have added that in, but I
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: think probably and not, you know, not to speak for them,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: but they felt that we made the point that he
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: was miserable. We didn't need to show nineteen to show
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: that because we already made.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: Would say, my only point be a technical thing, which
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: was you made it. You kind of was misleading because
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: it felt like they won the super Bowl and then
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: he left two.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Years later without for someone who didn't know I could
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: see them thinking that, and I do think.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: That the people that have been critical it's been like, oh,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: they're showing the rift between Bill and Tom. Well, clearly
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: there was another rift that was there and it was
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: playing for everybody to see. They glossed over that in
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: that twenty nineteen season, Tom was mad at the world.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: In two thousand, it wasn't just Bill at that point.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: I remember Philly, he got to the podium and they
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: played they played a rock fight against the Eagles, but
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: they won the game, and yeah, Edelman double pass, yeah back,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: and he was just he was just miserable. I mean,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: he was just miserable. Were eight no, yeah, yeah, and
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: then they went to Baltimore.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 4: Was blown Yeah, and then they they stumbled down the
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 4: stretch four and five, I think.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: But his look on his face after the Titans loss
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: here in the wild card round was like relief. And now,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: you know, I had my first year on the BA,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: they won the Super Bowl, so I had never seen
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: him lose a playoff game. I was expecting him to
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: be miserable, and he looked like he was happy.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: They were four and four down the stretch because he
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: got tired of the twelve and fourth season.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 4: That was true, he was tired, not for me. Then
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: we lost the playoffs.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: Lucky for you guys.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: Never but that's when Al Michael said Tom Brady was
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: the most miserable eight no quarterback in football.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: Everyone.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: It was that Sunday night game against Baltimore that they got.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: They got blood.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Let's see who's this, Jeff writes in uh stay, if
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: May trade back if Daniels, as Duke said, we want
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: the Drake if he's not there, the best outcome for
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: one of the draft is wow. I can't believe how
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: much we got for trading back from three. And what
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: do you guys think Cliff Kingsbury and Adam Peters in.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: D C will prefer I hope they take Jane Daniels.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: And I don't mean this is like I don't want
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: Jane Daniels. I would be totally happy with him, but
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: I just I would.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: Prefer I would prefer May And I think we got
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: to do some strongly.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 11: In the.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: Sorry no, I like no, you know, I mean, it's
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: it's just kind of my process of what I you know,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: I continue to kind of watch these guys a little
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: bit here and there and dig and you know, and
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: it's just I mean, I again, like it's hard to
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: take a stand on one of them without trying to
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: feel like I don't like Jade. Like I think Jane
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: Dams would be great. I would be excited to see
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: him out here. I just think, if I have to
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: roll the dice on one of these two guys, I
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: would just take a chance on the guy who's a
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: little bit younger and you know, still has some skills
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: to develop. But I mean, they both have skills to develop,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: so you know, I I won't be complaining at all
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: if they take Daniels. But honestly, after those two, I
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: don't really have any use for any other quarterbacks.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 7: In this draft.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: I couldn't agree more that tell Aldred that it stinks
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: that it we all have to trash Daniels to support Like,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: I like both these guys a lot too. I think
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: the difference, just to me, is that so much of
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: Jaden Daniels's production came on throwing fades to those two receivers,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 5: and it's like, if he doesn't have those two guys
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: that are true ball winners on the outside, that can
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: really win matchups and things like that, and it's all
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: on him to process the field and make decisions, and yeah, exactly.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 5: I just I think that that's gonna be Justin Field's
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: ish for him early and whether or not he pulls
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: out of it, it's going to be if they can
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: get him the receivers to win on the outside.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Patrick's and Florida. What's up, Patrick?
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 8: Hello?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 17: Yes, Hey, Hi, Yeah, a longtime listener, first time caller.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 11: I just wanted to.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 8: Say, you know, a lot of people are talking about
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 8: not being able to get receiver talent in free agency.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 8: I think if we take a quarterback this year.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 17: At three, it's gonna make it a whole lot easier.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 8: To attract those receivers to come to us.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: That's the Oh yeah, I mean that's the hope down
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: the road. I mean, that's and that's kind of speaks
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: to what I said of guys want to play for him,
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: you know. And I think, you know, you can go
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: back to Paul and Bledsoe in the nineties where you
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: felt like you were building a little something. I don't
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: think anybody came out of last year feeling like we're
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: building a little something here. It felt like we were
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: kind of hanging on to an old model that wasn't
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: working anymore.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like ninety four Patriots. They weren't a contender,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: but they were clearly on the rise, and you could
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: say ninety six you're a contender.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: Yep, Thanks Patrick, appreciate the call. John in New York's
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: giving in another shot, what's up, John?
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 17: Hey, I was just wondering, is this smart to pick
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 17: Luke McCaffrey at thirty four or wait until day three?
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 17: Thickens he can play quarterbacks, but he changed his position
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 17: to wide receiver.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 5: So Luke McCaffrey is Christian.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: McCaffrey, like Brendan Wright, likes family.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 5: Thanks, so, yeah, Luke McCaffrey is Christian McCaffrey's brother who
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: plays wide receiver. And it is a Day three guy.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: They probably fourth fifth round something.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: Pretty sure he knew that based on yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: Following, because you could get like a Luke chant for.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: I just like to know some people are talking about
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: so I just, you know, want to make sure everybody
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: I do find that though a lot of people are
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: Marvin Harrison, Junior, Brendan Rice, Luke McCaffrey, all because of
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: the bloodlines, you know, it's all because of who their
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: fathers are and who their brothers are and stuff like that.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: Who's the linebacker two from the Eagles that's got a
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: kid in this one?
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: That's crazy?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: How about me?
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: That's how old doing your research?
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: Not really long, Gino from Jersey writes in I just
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: want to express that it's very understanding why Belichick doesn't
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: answer media questions. Hearing from Paul shows and seeing mostly
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: on other social media how often people bring up Mayo
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: and Elliott quotes about weaponizing the offense and having money
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: to burn. It's ridiculous how much they get ridiculed for
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: saying those things, as much as I understand why they
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: said that. Realistically, you can't fix everything in free agency,
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: especially if players don't want to come here. But there's
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: still time, and I'm hoping they can get three hits
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: off the draft. I know the chances aren't that good,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: but one can hope.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: That's I was thinking that this is a learning process
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: for these new guys, I think, and I think they've
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: slipped up a couple of times with stuff that Bill
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: in his first go around made have made that mistake,
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: and that's why he shut it down. Where you can't
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: kind of make an off the cuff kind of comment
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: like money to burn or weaponize and this is what's
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: gonna happen. It's going to get thrown back in your face.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: I strongly agree with that notion. That's why Bill didn't
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: say anything. But I completely disagree with like, it's been
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 4: unfair to criticize. You don't say those things, not do
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: them and expect everybody to say, oh well, And you
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: don't have to be mad that they didn't spend money
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: because you know, we talked about the off season. I
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: don't think there were a ton of opportunities to spend
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: a lot of money. Ridley the exception, right, but.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: When they were willing to spend a lot.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: But when you say that and then don't do it,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know why it's unfair to then question that.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: And I don't think they've been questioned over the top
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: about it.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: I think that's my biggest critique so far of the
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: off season is you over promised, under promise, and over deliver.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 16: Right.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: So, there was a really interesting thing and I want
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 4: to give you a plug here, Ev and you and
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: Mike when you talk to when you talk to Elliott
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: Wolf at the combine and your boy Alex brought this
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: up on Sunday. I had an unbelievable two hour stint
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: with Alex Body, which unbe.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: But Alex called out the quote that you guys had
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: from Elliott. It was much more measured than full throttle
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: money to burn all this. And he talked about, and
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: I'm paraphrasing a little bit, just you know, the different
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: ways that you have to do it. It's not just
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: about but to ignore free agency is foolish or something
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: like that, you know, and that's like, that's what he's
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: talking about. Well, they kind of did. They resigned, Like,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: I understand that money is money, so you spend money
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: on your own guys, you spend money on other guys.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: I do not count re signing your own guys as
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: free agency. It's necessary in some cases. I'm not diminishing it.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: But free agency to me is the guys that they
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: signed from other teams. That's that's your free agency. So
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: like they kind of did ignore free agency in this
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: that they chose to get a handful of guys on
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: one year deals that aren't really gonna be.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 3: Gibson and Talkie TALKI the only ones that got more
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: than one.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 2: Paul, is it okay to ignore the supplemental draft?
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: Hey, Terrell prior came from the supplemental draft. Tim writes
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: in to Gerrod Cherry, don't disrespect Tim.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: Our friend from Duncan says, I missed the first part
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: of the show, and you may have already talked about
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: the Tom Brady ceremony on June twelfth, if not to
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: have any more details other than the time and date, Well,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: season ticket holders have first priority and tickets. Yes you will.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: If you're season ticket holders, you're probably get to notice
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: in the mailiness been made.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: Had that not been made public until yesterday.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 5: I Roberts say June twelve, I think he did. I
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: thought I could have sworn he did. Yeah, but everybody we.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: Did it was confirmed.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 5: Is the thing that we released the full schedule the
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: spring and put it.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: Everybody was like, oh, and the Patriot's gonna also could
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: have sworn.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 9: He said about that us getting a full schedule.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: I know, yeah, people don't know what you're talking about.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: Go ahead and explain.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 9: Oh, just having the ability to see your entire like
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 9: off season schedule, OTA's mini camp, rookie minicamp, all the things.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 9: It's crazy. We never usually get there, no usually find
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 9: out seventy two hours.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: Before Well, I what I agree, and what I'm even
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: more excited about is we get to go to a
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 5: day of rookie mini.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: Camp, which I'm a little bit I'm concerned about that.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 5: I am concerned about it as well. But if they
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: do take a quarterback third, overall, it's gonna.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: He can't hit anything. He looks terrible as.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: Someone who covered out, as someone who covered about fifteen
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: rookie mini camps before Bill stopped allowing the media to
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: go to that, you're not gonna be happy with that.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna let you know that.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: You mean, not happy with what they're doing having to
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: cover it.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: It's having to cover it. It's not it's not a
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 4: fun of it is that because not much goes on.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 4: It's like hurting cats. Yeah, and it was also it
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 4: was also the time that I got but tell you
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: just Chad Jackson.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well, I'm sure he looked Freddy.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: They got a good one in this.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: Chat, certainly.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: But that scares me even more because if there's nothing
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: really to watch or say, people are going to start
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: to have opinions about what they saw and start to draw.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 5: And all of a sudden, That's exactly what I'm talking right, and.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: So this I you know, and I would I would
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: connect this to money to burn, like are we sure
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: like we want to you know, start having people forming
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: opinions about how Drake may held his shoulder pads when
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: he walked onto the field or you know what I mean,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: like those stupid things, and that will happen and people
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: are going to start to.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: Be It was one of the was it was one
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: of the less is more things that Bill did that
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: I agreed with. Yeah, I think that the rookies have
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: enough to worry about then to have for people standing
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: on the sideline watching their every move as they're simply
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 4: trying to learn the new terminology of what the system
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: that they're coming into is. They're not ready to be evaluated.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: And I don't care how many times the coaches say
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: this is not evaluation. Everybody there is going to be evaluating.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: There'll be people putting video clips up on their timeline
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: showing this guy's great, this guy's stinks. It's not fair
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: to the rookies, and I understand why Bill stopped allowing
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: us to go to it.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: They say the same thing about Mini camp, where it's
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: this is teaching, this is and it's the same thing
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: and we're guilty of it two but.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: We all do it. Yeah, I I I'm excited for
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: us from a content standpoint, because it's great to get
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: the content in the off season, is what I'm more meant.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 5: But I couldn't agree more that we don't need to
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 5: be there. It's not it's not for in the best
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: interest of any of the guys out there.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: There's really nothing to be gained from an analysis standpoint.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: You know, I think it was the year do you remember, right,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: I mean I forget.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: I mean it's it's it's for the dumb side of
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: me that likes like football aesthetics, and they might actually
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: get their numbers and they'll have like their little get
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: up on all that nerd part of movie, like oh
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: he looks like he looks good, you know.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: But hopefully they can do that. Hopefully. That's one of
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: the things that Bill did that we.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: So so what we were talking about this upstairs with Tease.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 5: Drake May wore ten in in college. Zero ten was
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: obviously he's not gonna wear twelve. So I you know
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: what quarterback number I'm not.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 3: They'll tell you what. Taki Taki wearing sixteen tried me nuts.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: So that's why I'm worried about it.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: I mean it was sixteen last year.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 3: No, he's wearing it now like it just was on
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 3: like Instagram, he put it on it will.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: Be the first one to write Jacoby Brissett went through
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: the drills first. Does that mean he's gonna start?
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: I know, I know, I have some names for you.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: Jalen Ragers. Jalen Raggers leading the wide receivers. He's shooting
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: up the depth chart. Oh my god, like.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: Off Jayden Daniels is five. Was trying to think of
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: it off the top of my head. I think five
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: is taken right by your boybrill.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I know.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: It's I'm fine with I'm fine with ten. I think
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: it's a quarterback.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 4: It's probably going to be ten.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I like ten as well.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 4: Like eleven.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: I won't bum me mac mac did not ruin ten
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: for me. Like the litany of receivers who are failed
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: in seventeen have, which is what I.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: If Xavierly get where seventeen?
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think what's his face? Is going to
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: take it? Osborne? He was seventeen minutes.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: Oh so that's fine. I just let him take it.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: Bust there's a bust guy. Sorry, I would like Gonzales.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 5: I know a lot of people probably bought his jersey already,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: so I'm sorry. But Zero. I know everybody likes zero.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: I want him in twenty four, like getting you Oh
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 5: the zero no, No, twenty four is that's the Patriots
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: cornerback number, ty Law, Durell Reeves, Stefan Gilmore.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 9: Okay, but what if Stefan Gilmore comes back?
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 7: Be open to it?
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: Then that's a different story. Open to it. But I
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 5: want I want thy Law to hand Christian Gonzales twenty
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 5: four and be like it's yours now, kid. Well, there
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: you go with a bottle of fud.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 9: If Stefan Gilmore comes back, he's gonna want twenty four.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 9: So gonza, who are zero?
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: I hate zero? Can I tell you?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 7: I like six.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: I think that decimal points should come into play.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: Might get that, might open up about slash point two.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know about symbols, but like you know.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: Just the period pie symbols.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one and a hey.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 4: He's three point one four.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: Drake is gonna wear the pound symbol.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 9: I will say certain colleges they have like mascots, and
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 9: they have like a normal sized mascot and then they'll
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 9: have a baby one and it'll be like half the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 9: jersey will say like yeah, like like that, it's like
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 9: a little cub, so.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: Cute, Like.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 4: One of these days on the show, I'm going to
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 4: get this out nice, you.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: Know, like guy goes by three quarters three quarters, Yeah.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 3: I mean, just you just need to identify him. At
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: what point did they realize that guys didn't need to
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 3: have the first like if they had the same last name,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: you didn't have to have the first initial because they're
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: different numbers, Like you don't need to have like J.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: Mccordy and D m accordy because they're thirty two.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 5: And the easier thing is is the you know, when
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: you watch them on the All twenty two, you got
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: to look at like are they wearing long socks? Are
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: they wearing one sock is up, one sock is down,
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 5: They're wearing like an armband. You're not looking at it,
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: because that's how you have to figure out like who's
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 5: who's who sometimes from the bird's eye, because you can't.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: See the numbers and the numbers on our shoulders well
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 3: and it's.
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 5: Not clear enough. You know, you're so high at the
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 5: angle is so.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 2: What about like like triangles, trying circle.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: I mean Prince went to a symbol. You know, you
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: could just make it up. Yeah, I just wish that
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: it was more like TV twelve is just TB twelve.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: Now he's not at twelve these.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 9: TV next thing, you know, the next thing, you know,
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 9: it's great radio. Next thing. You know, it's going to
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 9: be social media handles on the back of the jerseys.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: Sure, oh yeah, that's right right there.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: Put their last names. They're going to put them.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 7: I think you see.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 9: I think U c F did it for like nil purposes,
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 9: like their guys wore social media handles.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: Come back crazy.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: Oh that was a big thing in basketball coming out
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: of the VID. Yeah, all the all the teams.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: That I heard that on the radio too this morning.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: Someone called it the VID. We might have been listening
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: to it as.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: Hard and I certainly didn't invent it.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: Patty's what's up? Patty going on?
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 10: Everyone?
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 3: He Patty.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 10: Collin because I'm going to be on a plane Thursday.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 10: I just I just wanted to express something that's been
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 10: really bothering me lately, and that's I think there's a
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 10: lot of fans with unrealistic expectations that even if they
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 10: had knocked free agency out of the park, not number
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 10: three like with either Daniels or May, that this team
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 10: was gonna just turn it around in one season, And
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 10: I just I don't get it, Like, yeah, maybe I'm
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 10: not smoking the good stuff like a lot of these
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 10: other fans are smoking. But realistically, I mean, if you
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 10: look at Holprep, this offense was with talent, I don't
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 10: know how anyone realistically and logically could think they were
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 10: going to turn it around in one year.
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: This mean, well, I've heard I haven't heard a lot
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: of people saying and I'm talking about fans and then
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: people on Paul's shows, thanks for the call. But I
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 2: haven't heard a lot of people say I think they're
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: going to make the playoffs this year, because there's no
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: basis in which to say that. There might be a few,
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: but the vast majority of people are just looking for
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: signs of improvement and hopefully.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 4: I agree with you, Fred, but in that regard, like,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think that you have to be unrealistic and
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: think they're going to make the playoffs. Who have wanted
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: them to do more to improve the team, Like I
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: think people are looking at it realistically and saying, Okay,
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: maybe they won't be great this year, right, but you
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: get a couple of people that can help you, and
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: then you get a couple more people the next year,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, you are great at some point,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 4: Like you can't just go from we're bereft of talent
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: on offense, we don't add anybody on offense, and all
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, two years we're going to be great.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was two nights ago, maybe
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Badard and Felger got into like a little debate on
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: the TV show, and I don't know the genesis of it.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: I only caught some of it. Felger was basically his
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: side was why can't we be you know, why don't
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: you want them to win games now? And Badard was
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: more like, you know, be patient and all that.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: I just think it's how I feel.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 3: I feel like, well, I think it's just a little
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 3: bit it's a little bit extreme, and it's I think
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 3: it's it's okay to be disappointed without saying that they
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: totally blew it. I think they're disappointed, probably that they
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: weren't able to secure Calvin Ridley, so I can express
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: disappointment and not feel like, well, just forget it then,
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: And I've heard a lot of that, like why would
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: you want to spend money on players who aren't going
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: to be here? A why would you want to spend more?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: What good is he going to do? Like you're not
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: going to be good anyway? So does that mean we
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 4: shouldn't try to prove our team? Like should Antonio playing
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: this year because he'll be a better third down back
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: than the they're down back that everybody's been saying that
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 4: they didn't have last year? Like should he not try?
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: I just think that there's a middle ground. And I
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: think one of the concerns that I have is that
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 5: you do want jirod Mayo to have some success next
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 5: year for his sake, for his sake, for the program's sake.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: And I think one of the biggest thing that we
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: don't you know, I think some people think it's an excuse,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: but the reality is that they weren't a draw for
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: free agents. The only thing that was drawing free agents
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: here was money, and when the money got silly on
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: certain guys, they bowed out of it. But the only
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 5: thing that they could have done to draw Calvin Ridley
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 5: to the New England Patriots was pay him a hundred
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 5: million dollars. That was it. And I think that you
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 5: have to have some things that you can sit here
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: and say in a year, we have Drake May, we
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 5: have Christian Gonzalez, we have this, we have that, and
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: we're building towards something here. Last year we overachieved maybe
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 5: a little bit, and we won six or seven games
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: like that. If you don't get to that point, then
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: where's the momentum? And I worry that that they're going
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: to be stuck.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: They must do well in the draft.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: It's the it's I agree, but it's the argument that
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: like it's not gonna matter anyway that I don't understand.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: And that's where I agree with Fellows, right, and I'm
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 4: gonna watch good football, Like he said, Okay, so you're
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: going to draft a guy at number three as a quarterback,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: but he's probably maybe you don't want him to play.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 4: Can we get the best quarterback that we could possibly
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: get to put us in position to win as many games?
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 4: Even though I understand that I'm drafting someone the third pick,
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: and when I'm good again, that third pick is going
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: to be the guy that's going to court. Like, I
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: think that that's a rational idea. Now, if you think
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett is better than every other guy, that's fine too.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: That's your opinion, you know, But I don't think most
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: people think that way. And I'm not saying that you do.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: That wasn't take.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: Kobe over a lot of these guys. I mean, I
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: he would have time for another show? Is we're getting
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: up against it? But I have an example? Sure, give
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: me one. Uh, I don't know. I mean, like I
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 5: think him and Gardner Minshew to me are a wash.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: I would agree with that, and I I just I
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 5: think that Brissett's a better fit for the things Fred said.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 5: So I just think there's a.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: Line too though, of like how much you're gonna give
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: this guy, like you know, you need to be fiscally responsible?
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 5: Like what was like what was the move?
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 7: Was it?
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 5: Russell Wilson? Is that what?
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 7: Oh?
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 4: No, I was right? So what was I actually think
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: Wilson's falling so far. I don't think there's much of
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: a difference between him and I mean neither.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 5: So what's the different Like, what's the move that everybody
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 5: like to make? The Oh, we could have taken this
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 5: better quarterback, veteran quarterback, Like, who is it?
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, you would have had to have been involved
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: in the guys that we're going to cost you some money.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we were talking about Baker Mayfield before
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: he signed. But to me bringing Baker Mayfield, you're not
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: drafting a quarterback at three.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: Right, but I would have Yeah, you're not paying one
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 5: hundred quarterback.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: And then I'm trying to Yeah, I don't really care
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 4: about the money, like it's just it's not mine. I
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: get it.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: No, if you were GM, you would care about.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: But I would. I would want both, and I didn't
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: get both.
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: It's a tough conversation for Elliot Wolf to go to
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: Robert Craft and say, we're gonna, yeah, I need a
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  Speaker 3: hundred million from Mayfield and we're gonna sign this guy
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  Speaker 3: and we're gonna have to give him one hundred million
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  Speaker 3: and three years.
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  Speaker 2: By that time, Mayfield strong in five years. Eldred's in
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  Speaker 2: North Carolina? What's up? Eldred?
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  Speaker 18: Hey, Tomorrow fell, how y'all doing?
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  Speaker 2: All right?
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  Speaker 18: Hey, I ain't got enough time, but Paul throwing Daggers
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  Speaker 18: Towns back. But I can't do it today, Okay, I
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  Speaker 18: got a question next shows at me? Really yeah, No,
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  Speaker 18: it's just all the fun, Paul, just all the fun.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, I hope I hope you know
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  Speaker 4: that because I don't throw it one of my favorites.
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  Speaker 5: I don't throw any daggers at you.
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  Speaker 2: I think somebody might have said something about Panix.
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  Speaker 4: Certainly wasn't me. I like Michael Pennick.
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  Speaker 18: No, I wasn't that. It wasn't that. It was about
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  Speaker 18: the quarterback, the best throws and all this and that. Yeah, whatever,
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  Speaker 18: But okay, left tackle Josh Jones still idea for free
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  Speaker 18: agent if I got any.
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  Speaker 5: Interesting yeah, him, Charles Leno, if you want like the
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  Speaker 5: veteran guy, h then there, you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 5: William I mentioned Becton earlier as like the lottery ticket.
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  Speaker 4: I'd be interested in Becton. He would intrigue me as
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  Speaker 4: a one year guy more than the other guys, you know,
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  Speaker 4: DJ Humphrees twenty a c L.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I'm tempted with Leno to just say, you know, he
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  Speaker 5: could be a serviceable left tackle for twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 5: and when you draft a guy day two that you
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  Speaker 5: develop and all. But I agree that if you're trying
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  Speaker 5: to go for upside. Then Becton is definitely that guy.
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  Speaker 13: Beckham the guy.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, well they got at Okay, last question, Uh, yes, sir.
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  Speaker 18: Did you say Daniel's best throat.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 5: Is the fade corner slot fade?
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 18: What's Drake Maye?
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  Speaker 7: Oh?
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  Speaker 5: Good question. Probably I would say probably the post. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'd say probably the post.
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  Speaker 18: Yeah, here it comes, all right, Well, oh that's he
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  Speaker 18: is wide over received.
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  Speaker 5: He's well done. I fell for it.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: I must have the most unbelievable offense ever. Then, because
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: all their guys were wide open, somehow we completed all
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 4: those passes.
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  Speaker 2: All right, that's gonna be infelice edition of Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're gonna drop Patriots Draft Countdown tomorrow in full
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 3: episode focusing on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, looking forward to that.
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