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Speaker 1: Kids gives the bold reform it well. Good evening.
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Speaker 2: I'm James macpherson, filling in for Andrew Bolt, who will
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Speaker 2: be back next week tonight. Independent Senator Lydia Thoughpe makes
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Speaker 2: a fool of herself again declaring King Charles as not
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Speaker 2: her king. During an official event in Canberra, Boris Johnson
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Speaker 2: says the French should become part of the August Defense Pact.
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Speaker 2: But is Aucus ever going to deliver nuclear submarines or
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Speaker 2: is it just an excuse for our politicians to dither
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Speaker 2: on national defense?
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Speaker 1: Fired up, Greg Sheridan will join me.
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Speaker 2: The attack on Christianity continues, with school students told it's
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Speaker 2: inappropriate to wear their religious crosses and another or welly
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Speaker 2: and idea from the UK government, this time weight loss
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Speaker 2: jabs to get unemployed people back to work. Seriously, you
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Speaker 2: could not make this stuff up. But first a question
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Speaker 2: for our politicians. Can we get the old Australia back
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Speaker 2: or is it too late? Remember the old Australia where
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Speaker 2: Jewish Australians lived in safety and where pro Palestinian mobs
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Speaker 2: weren't marching through the CBD every weekend lionizing terrorists like
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Speaker 2: Hassan Israla and Yaya Sinwa, the Hamas leader who orchestrated
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Speaker 2: the horrific October seven attack on Israel, was killed late
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Speaker 2: last week, but pro Palestinian supporters wasted no time declaring
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Speaker 2: the man responsible for the slaughter of more than twelve
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Speaker 2: hundred Israelis not to mention the almost total destruction of
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Speaker 2: Gaza a hero. When did Australia become a nation where
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Speaker 2: Islamic terrorists were celebrated in the streets while receiving a
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Speaker 2: taxpayer funded police escort, I might add, and at what
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Speaker 2: point does our governments say enough? Anthony Albanezi is obviously
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Speaker 2: so busy buying furniture for his new beach house that
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Speaker 2: he either hasn't noticed or simply doesn't care that our
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Speaker 2: house has caught fire.
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Speaker 1: This is Sydney, Australia. Just yesterday he died.
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Speaker 3: He died a warrior's death amongst his men, one with
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Speaker 3: his people, in defense of his lands, of the innocent
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Speaker 3: Palestinian children slaughtered.
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Speaker 4: Against a Juno Silon invader and occupier and colonize. In
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Speaker 4: his death, he became a legend, a legend to be charged.
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Speaker 3: For centuries for his story and live on.
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Speaker 4: Jeez fire jeezpire resistances lay around the world.
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Speaker 2: Remember when we were told it was important to distinguish
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Speaker 2: between Hamas and the civilian population in Gaza who didn't
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Speaker 2: support them. Well, these days, in Sydney, it's increasingly difficult
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Speaker 2: to distinguish between supporters of terrorism and the pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: protesters who still think the rape, burning and beheading of
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Speaker 2: Israelis is you know, a bridge too far. Meanwhile, at
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Speaker 2: a conference in Sydney on Saturday, a sheikh was preaching
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Speaker 2: to a crowd of hundreds that Yaya Sinwa was one
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Speaker 2: of Gaza's champions.
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Speaker 1: And met a noble end here.
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Speaker 2: I was thinking it was against the law to support
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Speaker 2: a terrorist organization, But then what do I know? I
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Speaker 2: clearly didn't grow up here. Hang on, I did grow
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Speaker 2: up here. Wait where am I?
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Speaker 1: It's hard to tell these days.
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Speaker 2: Another Sydney sheikh, Ibrahim Dadoune, had this to say, I.
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Speaker 5: Say it again.
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Speaker 1: I am elated.
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Speaker 5: I am happy.
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Speaker 6: What lay I've never seen it hav in my life,
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Speaker 6: the shift and the tide that has occurred over the
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Speaker 6: last g against the Zionus regime w Lai, my brother
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Speaker 6: and my sisters in Islam.
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Speaker 5: Victory is coming and you and I in.
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Speaker 6: Shah Alah because we love alone, we love his prophet.
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Speaker 5: We are on that path to victory.
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Speaker 6: We are on that path of the civilizational struggle where
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Speaker 6: we're going to see Islam dominate.
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Speaker 2: Now, if the dune rings a rather unpleasant bell, it's
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Speaker 2: because you've heard his vile nonsense before. You remember him
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Speaker 2: on the streets of Sydney, this time a year ago,
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Speaker 2: right after Hamas invaded Israel, Smiling and unhappy.
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Speaker 1: I'm in Hayden.
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Speaker 6: It's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not surprised he's elated. This is a guy
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Speaker 2: whose employer, the United Muslims of Australia, has received one
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Speaker 2: point six million dollars in taxpayer funding to help promote
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Speaker 2: wait for it, social co Oohesian. Don't you love social cohesion?
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke says we shouldn't worry too
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Speaker 2: much because the United Muslims of Australia staff have been
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Speaker 2: working closely with the government. Well, that's what most of
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Speaker 2: us are worried about on this one issue alone. Labor
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Speaker 2: and the Greens must be decimated at the next election.
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Speaker 2: Cost of living is no longer the biggest issue facing
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Speaker 2: our country. Cost of living hurts, to be sure, but
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Speaker 2: the damage can be repaired. The effects of immigration policy, however,
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Speaker 2: a policy that has encouraged people with values opposed to
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Speaker 2: our own to live here while we celebrate their opposing
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Speaker 2: values in the name of diversity and shower them with
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Speaker 2: public money, Well the effects of that will last for generations.
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Speaker 2: I know of more than one Jewish family who have
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Speaker 2: already made plans to leave Australia if Labor wins the
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Speaker 2: next election, and who would blame them? Like me, they
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Speaker 2: don't want to live in a country that panders to
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Speaker 2: Islamic extremism. So what point will our government, state or
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Speaker 2: federal actually do something.
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Speaker 1: Will any of these Hamas.
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Speaker 2: Loving terrorists, celebrating Jehad, promoting reculcitrants be held to account? Ever,
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Speaker 2: Assistant Minister for Multiculturalism Julian Hill told The Australian that
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Speaker 2: political leaders had quote repeatedly condemned Sheikh dad Une's comments. Well,
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Speaker 2: thank god, here I was thinking Labour leaders hadn't done anything,
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Speaker 2: but no, no, they've commented Ondadun's comments. Well that's just wonderful.
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Speaker 2: Earlier this month, New South Wales police did something. They
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Speaker 2: charged an eighty two year old Sydney grandmother for allegedly
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Speaker 2: making two harassing phone calls to a local mosque. She'll
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Speaker 2: face court in November charged with using a carrier service
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Speaker 2: to harass Hey prestose social cohesion restored.
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Speaker 1: We can all sleep well.
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Speaker 2: This evening knowing Grandma won't be doing any more pocket dials,
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Speaker 2: A New South Wales Police spokesperson said following investigations, police
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Speaker 2: at the home of an eighty two year old woman
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Speaker 2: in five Doc about nine point fifty am on Saturday.
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Speaker 1: So let me get this straight.
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Speaker 2: An angry mob can little flares and scream what most
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Speaker 2: people believed was gas the Jews on the stairs of
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Speaker 2: the Opera House during a memorial for dead Jews, and
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Speaker 2: police do nothing. A she can yell into a microphone
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Speaker 2: that October seventh slaughter of Jews was a day of
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Speaker 2: victory and then say it all over again a year later,
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Speaker 2: and police do nothing. And Nimam can lecture his Western
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Speaker 2: Sydney congregation that jihad is the responsibility of every Muslim
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Speaker 2: and police do nothing. Dozens of people can march through
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Speaker 2: Melbourne and Sydney waving terrorist flags and calling terrorist tyros
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Speaker 2: and police do nothing. But when an eighty two year
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Speaker 2: old Granny finally gets so pissed off about what's happening
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Speaker 2: to her country she picks up her phone and dials
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Speaker 2: M for Mosque. Well that's where police draw the line.
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Speaker 2: Authorities are fine with mobs chanting support for a terrorist.
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Speaker 1: That's diversity.
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Speaker 2: But they can't have Grandma expressing her displeasure. That's Islamophobia.
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Speaker 2: And here's another thing that struck me about Grandma's charge.
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Speaker 2: The pro Palestinian mob, Well, they can march through city
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Speaker 2: streets week after week chanting for the erasure of Israel
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Speaker 2: and everyone just has to suck it up.
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Speaker 1: Oh, and pay for it.
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Speaker 2: The pro Pealestinian mob can tear down posters pleading for
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Speaker 2: the release of Jewish hostages.
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Speaker 1: And everyone's just got to suck it up.
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Speaker 2: The pro Palestinian mob can cheer for the man responsible
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Speaker 2: for the greatest slaughter of Jews since the Holocaust, and
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Speaker 2: we've all just got to suck it up.
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Speaker 1: But when Grandma.
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Speaker 2: Finally snaps and allegedly phones a mosque to say I
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Speaker 2: want my country back, or I assume words to that effect,
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Speaker 2: well that's when the police are immediately called. We're being
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Speaker 2: harassed by a grandmother, do something spare me. And while
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Speaker 2: I'm at it, the sutherland Shire Church Scott Morrison attends
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Speaker 2: was bombarded with nasty phone calls when he came Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: I'm told the church was getting more than two hundred
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Speaker 2: phone calls a day from people hurling insults and abuse.
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Speaker 2: And you know how many people were charged with using
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Speaker 2: a carrier service to harass Nil nada, not even one.
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Speaker 1: But if a grandma.
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Speaker 2: Dares to express her outrage at the receptionist at the
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Speaker 2: local mosque, well then New South Wales police can't get
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Speaker 2: to her retirement village fast enough. To be clear, Grandma
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Speaker 2: should stay off the phone. I tell her to call
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Speaker 2: the government, but they're not listening.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now is Australian Jewish Association President David Adler. David,
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Speaker 2: thanks for joining me tonight. And eighty two year old
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Speaker 2: granny is arrested and charged for making harassing calls allegedly
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Speaker 2: to a mosque. Yet these people praying tribute to the
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Speaker 2: leader of Hamas nothing is done.
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Speaker 1: How do you reconcile that.
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Speaker 8: You can't reconcile, James, and to join you. And speaking
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Speaker 8: of harassing phone calls, we've lost track of the number
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Speaker 8: of harassing phone calls that our organization has received, and
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Speaker 8: maybe the grandma slipped up. She should have been perhaps
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Speaker 8: wearing a Hamas headband, having a Hesbala flag, shouting for
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Speaker 8: jihad or into farder and she would have been fine.
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Speaker 8: But maybe she was harassing by arguing in favor of
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Speaker 8: Australian democratic values or something and saying that the other
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Speaker 8: didn't belong. Who knows what she said, but you're right,
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Speaker 8: it is irreconcilable and people are very, very concerned that
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Speaker 8: we have slipped into a quite distinct two tiers system
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Speaker 8: of law enforcement in this country.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, honestly, what you've got to do to get arrested
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Speaker 2: for hate speech or for supporting a terrorist organization? I
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Speaker 2: have no idea, but I can't imagine how real the
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Speaker 2: fear would be for Jewish Australians. As I said, I
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Speaker 2: know families who have already made plans to leave the
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Speaker 2: country if Labor win the next election. Overnight, we had
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Speaker 2: a number of suburbs in Sydney's East, which has a
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Speaker 2: major Jewish community, targeted and graffited with symbols of Hamas.
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Speaker 2: How does that make Australian Jews fear. What's the feedback
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Speaker 2: you're getting from the Jewish community.
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Speaker 8: Well, there's been a level of shock that we haven't
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Speaker 8: seen before, and it's been like three levels. The first,
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Speaker 8: of course, was what happened on the seventh October last
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Speaker 8: year with the most barbaric terrorism and the biggest attack
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Speaker 8: on Jewish people killings since the Holocaust. And the second,
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Speaker 8: which really surprised us and shocked us, was the almost
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Speaker 8: immediate outbreak of gross anti Semitism. We saw it in
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Speaker 8: some of the videos that you've already shown of what
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Speaker 8: happened in front of the Opera House on the ninth
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Speaker 8: of October, and it's continued since. Every day we have
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Speaker 8: more and more incidents. But let me tell you what
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Speaker 8: the third shock is, and that is the betrayal by
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Speaker 8: our government, James, the failure to deal with it, the
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Speaker 8: failure of leadership, the weakness, and in fact some of
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Speaker 8: the policies have poured fuel on the fire and the
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Speaker 8: whole concept of bringing in additional people from perhaps the
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Speaker 8: most high risk place on the planet at the moment,
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Speaker 8: which is from a terrorist controlled zone called Gaza into
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Speaker 8: Australia and expecting things to go well, well, we just
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Speaker 8: can't understand it. And we're very, very concerned about all
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Speaker 8: three levels. But in Australia, the next two the rising
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Speaker 8: end desemitism and the failure of political leadership to deal
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Speaker 8: with it.
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Speaker 2: David, I want to get to the failure of political
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Speaker 2: leadership in a moment, but I want to ask about
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Speaker 2: something else that really confuses or puzzles me. Where's the
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Speaker 2: outcry from moderate Muslims in this country saying what's happening
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Speaker 2: to the Jewish community is not right? Why are those
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Speaker 2: voices seemingly silent? Or am I missing something here?
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Speaker 8: You're not missing anything. We have yet to have any
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Speaker 8: significant Islamic leader in this country condemn the terrorism of
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Speaker 8: October seven, And in fact, we've seen the inverse. We've
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Speaker 8: actually seen the radical extremist a muss and hesbela supporting
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Speaker 8: end of the Muslim community in Australia, become emboldened, become louder,
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Speaker 8: have large meetings, gather thousands of supporters. So rather than
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Speaker 8: have the voices of moderation rise, we've had the voices
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Speaker 8: of extremism rise. And again it comes back to I
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Speaker 8: think the failure of leadership that we've been talking about, James,
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Speaker 8: that they feel that they can get away with more
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Speaker 8: and more and more. And some of the calls in
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Speaker 8: the video that you showed Islam will dominate, that doesn't
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Speaker 8: say Islam will coexist. This particular voice is calling for
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Speaker 8: domination and that should really concern all Australians.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I agree with you wholeheartedly. So final question.
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Speaker 2: You know, I played some vision and clips from those
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Speaker 2: protests over the weekend where you had people hailing Ya
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Speaker 2: Sinwar as a hero and a good man. But so
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Speaker 2: far there's been no condemnation of these protests from the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister or from senior Labor members.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of that?
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Speaker 8: Well, first, let's make it clear Jayam Singa is like
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Speaker 8: a mini Hitler. Supporting him should be unacceptable in this country.
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Speaker 8: And we actually would get behind what Peter Dutton has called,
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Speaker 8: which is that if these people are non citizens, or
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Speaker 8: even if they're dual citizens, deportation should be considered. The
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Speaker 8: failure of Labor and some of the senior Labor figures
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Speaker 8: to condemn it properly, to deal with it properly, really
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Speaker 8: raises concerns as to whether their priorities are not rubbi
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Speaker 8: domestic politics trying to protect certain seats in Southwest Sydney,
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Speaker 8: for example, rather than doing what is in the national interest.
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Speaker 2: David Adler, I really appreciate you joining me tonight. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for your time. Well, I want to go to
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Speaker 2: my political panel joining me as form Victorian Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: president Michael Kroger and former Labor Senator Stephen Conroy. Good evening, gentlemen.
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Speaker 2: Great to have you on the program. Before I get
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Speaker 2: to other news of the day. As I just said,
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Speaker 2: it's been more than twenty four hours since people in
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Speaker 2: the streets of Sydney were lionizing Ya Sinwa. Still nothing
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Speaker 2: from Labour condemning these protests. Stephen ought the Prime Minister
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Speaker 2: who keeps going on about social cohesion and how important
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Speaker 2: that is, ought he not say something about what we
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Speaker 2: heard and saw over the weekend.
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Speaker 9: Well, I don't know if you've noticed, but the King
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Speaker 9: and Queen are currently visiting and the Prime Minister has
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Speaker 9: actually been pretty busy hosting as you would expect him to.
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Speaker 9: I could just imagine if you know, he wasn't doing
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Speaker 9: those things. He's been criticized We're not going to Indonesia
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Speaker 9: and has been criticized for not doing He's actually got a.
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Speaker 1: Pretty full itinery.
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Speaker 9: But let me be really clear, I want to absolutely
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Speaker 9: support you on this disgusting, disgusting behavior we've witnessed where
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Speaker 9: people have recently been barracking for the terrorists supporting state
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Speaker 9: of Iran. They've been chanting and painting Hamas symbols on things,
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Speaker 9: and this latest one to in any way try and
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Speaker 9: glorify this butcher that justice was served upon in the
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Speaker 9: last few days is just a dispic act and not
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Speaker 9: worthy of the vast majority of Australians giving it the
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Speaker 9: time of day. And I do predict that Australians will
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Speaker 9: continue to turn away from organizations or pseudo political parties
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Speaker 9: or candidates that aren't prepared to condemn Hesbalah, aren't pared
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Speaker 9: to condemn Hamas and recognize the right for Israel to exist.
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Speaker 9: So I think those organizations that want to play in politics,
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Speaker 9: they've got to answer some pretty straightforward questions. Will you
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Speaker 9: condemn Hamas, will you condemn HESBA, will you condemn the
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Speaker 9: attacks last year? And if they can't give very unequivocal
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Speaker 9: yes is to the condemnation of all three of them,
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Speaker 9: they should have. You know, the mainstream of Australia will
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Speaker 9: turn their back on the anti Semitic Greens, and they
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Speaker 9: will turn their back on those candidates who aren't prepared
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Speaker 9: to say that.
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Speaker 2: Steven, I agree with everything you said, but I got
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Speaker 2: to say you lost me when you said the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister was just too busy to condemn people supporting terrorism
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Speaker 2: and to offer some comfort to our Jewish community.
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Speaker 1: Michael, what do you think.
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Speaker 7: Well, if that were right, as Charlie Penny One could
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Speaker 7: have come out and said something, isn't She's still a
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Speaker 7: foreign minister. She could have said something, or Richard Miles
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Speaker 7: could have said something. But this gapman's been hopeless on
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Speaker 7: this issue, as we know, and as we've said many
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Speaker 7: times before, and to see this going on in the
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Speaker 7: streets of Sydney, and you know, still going on in
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Speaker 7: the streets of Melbourne, it's just disgusting. But I'd say
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Speaker 7: to Sheik, I've got bad news for the Sheikh. He
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Speaker 7: may be elated but and sense victory is coming. But unfortunately, Sheikh,
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Speaker 7: I can say this to you. Victory is not coming
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Speaker 7: for your brand of Islamic extremism. You are not going
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Speaker 7: to take over the world. Hamas are being destroyed, hes
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Speaker 7: BLA are being destroyed. I think after the American election,
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Speaker 7: Iran might be a different country, and Sheikh, the worst
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Speaker 7: news of all for you is this Israel is not
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Speaker 7: going anywhere, not now, not tomorrow, not ever. The Jewish
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Speaker 7: state will live outlive you and your fanatical supporters for
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Speaker 7: generations to come. My friend.
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Speaker 2: Well said, Michael Well said, let's move to more local politics.
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Speaker 2: We spoke about the king just a moment ago. He
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Speaker 2: was at Parliament House today, but was the antics of
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Speaker 2: Senator Lydia Thorpe that's going to make lines around the world.
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Speaker 2: The UK is already going mad for it. Earlier in
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Speaker 2: the day she was involved in a scuffle with police outside.
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Speaker 1: The War Memorial.
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Speaker 2: Then she managed to get in the front row of
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Speaker 2: the King's arrival at Parliament, where for a while she
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Speaker 2: stood with her back turned and finally at the conclusion
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Speaker 2: of the King's reception, Well, she did this.
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Speaker 5: Kind of side against our people.
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Speaker 3: Get up our landbacks, give us by your style from us,
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Speaker 3: our bones, our scars, our baby, our people.
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Speaker 1: We want the.
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Speaker 5: Training in this country.
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Speaker 1: Give up, Steve.
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Speaker 2: And I was going to say she's a national embarrassment,
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Speaker 2: but it's worse than that, isn't it.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, Look, I mean the tragedy is we're even talking
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Speaker 9: about her. She should just be ignored. She is a coward.
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Speaker 9: She's stolen a seat from the Greens and fathomable, but
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Speaker 9: she should resign from parliament, can test the upcoming election
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Speaker 9: representing all those issues.
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Speaker 1: She's just shouted about. She'll find she's got about one.
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Speaker 9: Percent support if she's lucky across the country, is particularly
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Speaker 9: across the state of Victoria. Just like that coward Fadama Payman,
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Speaker 9: who should resign from the party, give the seatback from
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Speaker 9: the Parliament, give a seatback to Labor, and contest the
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Speaker 9: upcoming election as a Western Australian representing her new party.
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Speaker 9: And she'll find out very quickly that the Western Australian
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Speaker 9: public are not interested in her or her extreme views.
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Speaker 9: So the tragedy is she's going to get all this publicity.
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Speaker 9: She'll love it.
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Speaker 1: If it was possible to.
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Speaker 9: Just ignore her, not talk about her, that would be
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Speaker 9: the best service we could do to the country. But
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Speaker 9: unfortunately her behavior continues to be a disgrace. In the
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Speaker 9: harassment is not the first time I remember footage of
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Speaker 9: her discoffle with police earlier. It's just like she's an
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Speaker 9: attention saker. She's like that serial pest who ran across
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Speaker 9: the track and a horse race, invaded the pitch in
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Speaker 9: a football match. I mean, she's just like a serial
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Speaker 9: attention seeking individual and we should just ignore her as
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Speaker 9: best it's possible to.
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Speaker 1: Well.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love to ignore her, but the problem
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Speaker 2: is we can't. It occurs to me, if you're having
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Speaker 2: a reception for the King and you've got a known activist,
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Speaker 2: you do not permit them to enter the premises.
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Speaker 1: You keep them well away.
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Speaker 2: And she's a known activist, but unfortunately, Michael, she's also
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Speaker 2: an elected senator.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, she had every right to be there.
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Speaker 7: I think what's happening is the Left are magnificent and
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Speaker 7: manipulating the media, including this channel, social media everywhere. They
22:53
Speaker 7: know that these stunts, these dramatic stunts where they're dressed
22:57
Speaker 7: up and they've got, you know, all sorts of play
23:00
Speaker 7: cards and flags waving and flares burning. They know that
23:03
Speaker 7: to get attention, it's not to write a fifteen page
23:07
Speaker 7: policy paper about something or given a thoughtful lecture. It's
23:11
Speaker 7: to do these extreme stunts. And you know, it's interesting
23:15
Speaker 7: that the media keeps following all these things. I mean,
23:17
Speaker 7: it's oh, Lydia Thorpe's gone Burko again. Well, you know,
23:21
Speaker 7: well that's a surprise or that there are Jewish hating
23:24
Speaker 7: racists out in the streets expressing their bile and hatred
23:28
Speaker 7: of Jews, you know, and that's news. No, fifteen percent
23:32
Speaker 7: of this country, we now know there's about fifteen percent
23:35
Speaker 7: of this country who are extreme left fascist supporters. But
23:40
Speaker 7: the media keeps giving them support, gives them oxygen, gives
23:43
Speaker 7: them publicity, allows them to intimidate the working middle class
23:47
Speaker 7: in this country because they know that's the best way
23:49
Speaker 7: to get publicity, and that's what they do. So you
23:51
Speaker 7: have stunts like Thope today. This is part of the
23:53
Speaker 7: hard lefts you know, modus operanda these days. The more extreme,
23:58
Speaker 7: the you know, the outburst, the demonstr the statements, the speeches,
24:02
Speaker 7: you know, the more publicity you get. And that's exactly
24:05
Speaker 7: what they're trying to do. You know that Lydia Thorpe,
24:09
Speaker 7: you know, wanted to abuse King Charles, who otherwise whoms
24:13
Speaker 7: incredibly popular. I think in this country, by the way,
24:16
Speaker 7: is that news probably not, to be honest.
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Speaker 2: You know, back in nineteen twenty there was a labor
24:25
Speaker 2: politician who is expelled from Parliament for seditious and disloyal
24:30
Speaker 2: utterances regarding the crown. Maybe we should explore that again
24:34
Speaker 2: and Lydia Thorpe could become a second person expelled anyway.
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Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy, Michael Kroger, thanks.
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Speaker 1: For your time. I really appreciate you being with me. Well,
24:43
Speaker 1: I'll stick around because.
24:44
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break and update on the Royals
24:47
Speaker 2: World wind tour of Australia and the US is investigating
24:51
Speaker 2: a major intelligence leak that could have serious consequences for
24:55
Speaker 2: the war in the Middle East.
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Speaker 1: That's coming up in just a moment. Well, welcome back.
25:01
Speaker 2: Time for a quick Royals update with our Royal reporter
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Speaker 2: Julia Bradley. Julia, thanks for joining me. A busy day
25:08
Speaker 2: for King Charles and Queen Camilla. Am I correct in
25:10
Speaker 2: saying they had seventeen events in Canberra.
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Speaker 1: Today and with so much going on.
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Speaker 2: It's just remarkable that at his age, and you know,
25:19
Speaker 2: relatively recently having recovered from cancer, that he's able to
25:23
Speaker 2: conduct such a whirl win tour. The pace is quite remarkable.
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Speaker 10: At incredible pace, particularly today the second day of official
25:34
Speaker 10: engagements for their majesties. You're right in saying seventeen official
25:38
Speaker 10: engagements if you can believe it, all this well battling
25:42
Speaker 10: cancer seventy five years of age, so really an incredible effort.
25:46
Speaker 10: Today we've seen the Royal couple our first visit the
25:50
Speaker 10: Australian War Memorial this morning. There were some moments there
25:54
Speaker 10: for quiet reflection to pay their respects to Australian soldiers.
25:58
Speaker 10: We also saw the King this morning spat on by
26:02
Speaker 10: an alpaca called Hefner, and that was really where we
26:06
Speaker 10: started to see Royal fans gather and really warmly received
26:10
Speaker 10: the Royal couple. There were a lot of people outside
26:12
Speaker 10: the War Memorial, a couple of protesters, but all in
26:16
Speaker 10: all it was a pretty warm reception. They then made
26:18
Speaker 10: their way here to Parliament House and that was for
26:21
Speaker 10: an official event hosted by the Prime Minister, where we
26:24
Speaker 10: heard the King deliver some remarks and that is where
26:28
Speaker 10: we saw that moment from Lydia Thorpe, the Victorian Independent Senator,
26:33
Speaker 10: interrupting that event in protest, yelling he's not our king.
26:37
Speaker 10: But after that was really the moment where we saw
26:39
Speaker 10: Royal fans warmly welcome and received.
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Speaker 1: The Royal couple.
26:43
Speaker 10: A lot of people holding up signs, waving Australian flags,
26:47
Speaker 10: a lot of makeshift crowns as well. A really exciting
26:50
Speaker 10: day for a lot of people because this is the
26:53
Speaker 10: King's first official visit to Australia since ascending the throne
26:56
Speaker 10: two years ago. So really a moment for the history books.
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Speaker 9: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I know there's been a few protesters, but overwhelmingly crowds
27:04
Speaker 2: have been very warm and you know, Lydia Thoughte made
27:07
Speaker 2: a full of herself, but overwhelmingly, as I said, people
27:10
Speaker 2: have been incredibly excited about the visit. Just tell me
27:14
Speaker 2: tomorrow what's on the agenda. They're back in Sydney tomorrow.
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Speaker 10: They are, so the King of Queen making their way
27:22
Speaker 10: now as we speak to Sydney for another big day.
27:25
Speaker 10: So they'll begin taking part in a smoking ceremony this morning,
27:29
Speaker 10: a few smaller events after that, and then there will
27:32
Speaker 10: be a typical Aussie barbecue and that will be held
27:35
Speaker 10: should I say, in Western Sydney, hosted by the Premier
27:38
Speaker 10: of New South Wales. They're talking it up as a
27:40
Speaker 10: celebration of multiculturalism and also regional New South Wales produce
27:45
Speaker 10: for the big opportunity will be in the afternoon, that
27:47
Speaker 10: is when more royal fans can gather outside the Sydney
27:50
Speaker 10: Opera House in order to catch a glimpse of the
27:52
Speaker 10: Royal couple or maybe have a conversation or two with them.
27:55
Speaker 10: Then this afternoon taking part, sorry tomorrow afternoon should I say,
27:59
Speaker 10: taking part in a Royal Australian Navy fleet review. This
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Speaker 10: all before they had to Samoa for the Commonwealth Heads
28:05
Speaker 10: of Government meetings. So another big day on the cards tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Very good, well, Julia Bradley, We appreciate your update. Thank you.
28:14
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to the United States, where an investigation
28:17
Speaker 2: is underway into a major intelligence leak of top secret
28:20
Speaker 2: documents which show the Israeli military preparations for a strike
28:24
Speaker 2: on Iran. Joining me is the Australian's Foreign Affairs editor,
28:28
Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan. Greg, the leak is apparently from images generated
28:32
Speaker 2: by American reconnaissance satellites and other intelligence.
28:36
Speaker 1: What does it show and just how serious is this leak?
28:41
Speaker 11: James, Look, it's not the end of the world, but
28:43
Speaker 11: it's a pretty serious matter. It's very bad by the Americans,
28:47
Speaker 11: very poor formed. I think both the Americans and the
28:51
Speaker 11: Israelis are mismanaging the way that Israeli is going to
28:55
Speaker 11: respond to Iran. I mean, although military urgency is coming
28:59
Speaker 11: out of since they have this kind of kabuki theater
29:02
Speaker 11: about what the Americans will allow the Israelis to do,
29:07
Speaker 11: and they're sort of inviting Iran to wage a political
29:10
Speaker 11: campaign to say no, can't touch our nuclear facilities, can't
29:14
Speaker 11: touch our royal facilities, and just to add an ever
29:17
Speaker 11: growing list. And America seems to be acting on Iran's
29:20
Speaker 11: behalf here to limit what Israel can do. Meanwhile, they're
29:24
Speaker 11: publishing it all in the media via the normal Washington leaks.
29:30
Speaker 11: You would really think the Biden administration might find a
29:32
Speaker 11: way to have a confidential dialogue with a Net and
29:35
Speaker 11: Yahoo government about this. I mean, at the end of
29:38
Speaker 11: the day, it doesn't really compromise anything, but it's pretty unsatisfactory.
29:45
Speaker 2: Before I let you go, former UK Prime Minister Boris
29:48
Speaker 2: Johnson says France should be brought into the Orchest Pact.
29:53
Speaker 1: What do you think about that suggestion?
29:55
Speaker 11: I think Boris is just blowing smoke. You know, he's
29:59
Speaker 11: doing media in views now for his book. So I
30:03
Speaker 11: am very dubious about whether Ucus is going to add
30:06
Speaker 11: up to a hill of beans. Anyway, The purpose of
30:09
Speaker 11: ucas is for Australia to get nuclear powered submarines. Well,
30:12
Speaker 11: the French have got nothing to do with that. We're
30:14
Speaker 11: talking about bringing everyone into Pillar two of Aucus. Japan
30:18
Speaker 11: would be a strong candidate, obviously, but so far Pillar
30:22
Speaker 11: two has amounted to nothing. I mean, August has been
30:24
Speaker 11: going for three and a half years or whatever it is.
30:26
Speaker 11: It hasn't delivered a single weapon into the Australian line
30:29
Speaker 11: of battle. And you know, James, if they get submarines
30:34
Speaker 11: in the life of my grandchildren, I will be surprised.
30:37
Speaker 11: Maybe your grandchildren will will see them. But I think,
30:42
Speaker 11: really this is sort of nonsensical talk from Johnson and
30:47
Speaker 11: Ugus is in a kind of a land of make
30:50
Speaker 11: believe at the moment. It's very dubious. I'm all in
30:53
Speaker 11: favor of nuclear submarines. I'm one thousand percent in favor
30:56
Speaker 11: of them. But what has happened is the Albanese government
31:00
Speaker 11: so far, the opposition of the Liberals when they were
31:02
Speaker 11: in government, have used August as an excuse to do
31:05
Speaker 11: absolutely nothing else in our defense force. So we have
31:10
Speaker 11: an unbelievably feeble defense force which we never discuss, and
31:15
Speaker 11: we discuss August all the time. And nothing is actually happening.
31:19
Speaker 11: It's kind of make believe quality. There's so much of
31:22
Speaker 11: our politics and the August is like that. It's like
31:25
Speaker 11: discussing Alice in Wonderland or Dorothy in the Rainbow or something.
31:29
Speaker 11: You know, it's fun, but it doesn't amount to anything.
31:35
Speaker 2: Well, greg you say we may end up with nuclear
31:37
Speaker 2: subs for my grandchildren.
31:39
Speaker 1: Have we got that much time?
31:42
Speaker 11: No, of course not. So here's the fatal contradiction, James.
31:47
Speaker 11: Every strategic document says we're in the worst strategic circumstances
31:51
Speaker 11: we've been in since World War Two. The other Nazy
31:54
Speaker 11: government has proclaimed this minister after minister. The Liberals will
31:57
Speaker 11: no better. Scott Morrison and Peter Dutton are always talking about
32:00
Speaker 11: the possibility of war with China, that we might have
32:02
Speaker 11: to go to war with China. Meanwhile, we have no weapons.
32:06
Speaker 11: Anthony Albanezi, in an interview with me, said we're very
32:09
Speaker 11: derelict in missile defense. This is when he first became
32:11
Speaker 11: Prime Minister. And now they've decided not to do missile
32:14
Speaker 11: defense for any of our air bases in the North.
32:16
Speaker 11: Our ships are so ancient, so decrepit. They need the
32:20
Speaker 11: RACV or the NRAM mador come and help them every
32:23
Speaker 11: time they go to sea. We're not going ahead with
32:25
Speaker 11: a final squadron of F thirty five's, So the government
32:29
Speaker 11: has taken orcas as a license to do nothing else.
32:32
Speaker 11: So all the things we could have in our defense
32:35
Speaker 11: force we don't have, and we're spending all the money
32:37
Speaker 11: on submarines which we're never going to get. Final example, James,
32:41
Speaker 11: we're almost the only military in the world which spends
32:45
Speaker 11: as much money as we do, which doesn't have a drone.
32:47
Speaker 11: We see how dominant drones are in the Ukrainian conflict
32:51
Speaker 11: and how important they are in all maritime conflicts. But
32:53
Speaker 11: the Ukrainians are sinking the Russian fleet with drones. Our
32:58
Speaker 11: Australian Defense Force doesn't have a drone, even though we
33:02
Speaker 11: make drones for the Ukrainians, but we don't have one ourselves.
33:06
Speaker 11: But yet we have a fantasy that we're going to
33:08
Speaker 11: get nuclear submarines in ten or twenty or thirty or
33:12
Speaker 11: fifty or one hundred years time, and that's somehow other
33:14
Speaker 11: meant to take care of our defense. And I'll tell
33:17
Speaker 11: you what. By the time we get nuclear submarines, either
33:19
Speaker 11: we'll all be speaking Mandarin or China will be ruled
33:22
Speaker 11: by the Christian Democratic Party. It'll be long after all
33:26
Speaker 11: of this, all of this is resolved one way or
33:28
Speaker 11: the other.
33:31
Speaker 2: Greg, I've got to go, but I need to just
33:33
Speaker 2: ask you one more question. You said that both Labor
33:36
Speaker 2: and the Liberal Party are responsible for this inertia when
33:39
Speaker 2: it comes to providing us with suitable defense.
33:42
Speaker 1: Just very quickly, what's the reason for it?
33:44
Speaker 2: If they say the threat is real and yet do nothing,
33:47
Speaker 2: how does that add up?
33:49
Speaker 1: What's the reason?
33:50
Speaker 11: I think there are two main reasons. The first is
33:53
Speaker 11: that they don't want to spend the money. So any
33:55
Speaker 11: country in the world in all of history, whichever country
33:58
Speaker 11: has gone for nucleus up marines has to increase their
34:01
Speaker 11: defense budget massively because nuclear submarines are so expensive. So
34:06
Speaker 11: if you're going to go for nuclear submarines, you've got
34:08
Speaker 11: to increase your defense budget. The Albanesi government hasn't increased
34:10
Speaker 11: our defense budget at all, and the Morrison government barely
34:14
Speaker 11: spent a dollar on defense. We're still just out or
34:17
Speaker 11: below the two percent threshold, and we're one of the
34:19
Speaker 11: highest cost countries in the world, so we get almost
34:21
Speaker 11: nothing for our dollars. But then secondly, our defense force
34:26
Speaker 11: has never thought of defending Australia. It just exists to
34:31
Speaker 11: perform niche operations within an American task force. And I
34:36
Speaker 11: think this is a crippling, terrible syndrome in the Australian
34:40
Speaker 11: Defense force. And our politicians have been so weak and
34:45
Speaker 11: so fly by night. You know how many defense ministers
34:49
Speaker 11: have we had in the last fifteen years. We had
34:51
Speaker 11: what was it six or more under the Coalition government.
34:56
Speaker 11: We had six before that under Rudd, Gillard Rudd. And
35:00
Speaker 11: no politician has ever taken control of defense. We haven't
35:04
Speaker 11: had a proper defense minister really since John Howard was
35:06
Speaker 11: Prime Minister. And so they've let the bureaucrats and the
35:09
Speaker 11: defense courses run and they what they do is they
35:12
Speaker 11: get very very high tech gizmos in tiny quantities which
35:16
Speaker 11: allow them to be part of a United States task force.
35:20
Speaker 11: The last thing in the world they want to do
35:22
Speaker 11: is have a whole lot of boring stuff to defend Australia.
35:25
Speaker 11: Here's Bala has two hundred thousand missiles, where lucky if
35:28
Speaker 11: we've got two hundred and as I say, we don't
35:31
Speaker 11: have a single drone. And you know Richard Marles, I
35:34
Speaker 11: mean he talks in private like Dick Cheney, but he
35:37
Speaker 11: governs like Bernie Sanders. You know, we've just got nothing
35:40
Speaker 11: out of this government. But I don't want to make
35:42
Speaker 11: a political point out of it because we've got nothing
35:44
Speaker 11: out of the previous government. Tony Abbott was going to
35:46
Speaker 11: give us Japanese subs. That would have been a good idea.
35:49
Speaker 11: Then Malcolm Turnble went for French subs. Okay, well, at
35:51
Speaker 11: least there are something, and then Morrison scrapped them to
35:54
Speaker 11: went for the to go for the Orchest subs. But
35:57
Speaker 11: the Orchest subs are going to come in star Trek time.
36:00
Speaker 11: In the meantime, we have nothing. And that's how we
36:03
Speaker 11: ented World War Two. You know, we had subs in
36:05
Speaker 11: World War One. We didn't have them in World War Two.
36:07
Speaker 11: And I think whatever conflict might come, we probably won't
36:11
Speaker 11: have subs when the next conflict comes.
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Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan, you have thoroughly depressed me. Thanks for your
36:19
Speaker 2: time tonight.
36:20
Speaker 11: Thanks so much, James.
36:23
Speaker 1: We'll stick around.
36:24
Speaker 2: Because after the break, the attack on Christianity continues, with
36:27
Speaker 2: school students told it's inappropriate to wear their Christian crosses.
36:32
Speaker 1: But here's the maddening part.
36:33
Speaker 2: It's a supposedly Christian school that's telling Christian students not
36:37
Speaker 2: to wear their Christian crosses so as not.
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Speaker 1: To offend non Christians. It's coming up in a moment.
36:46
Speaker 2: Well, apparently it's inappropriate to show your Christian beliefs now,
36:50
Speaker 2: even at a Christian school. A group of girls at
36:53
Speaker 2: the Methodist Ladies College in Melbourne were reportedly told by
36:57
Speaker 2: teachers to remove their Christian crosses because it could be
37:00
Speaker 2: offensive to students who weren't Christians. Now the year twelve,
37:04
Speaker 2: students bravely called out the school staff, accusing them of
37:08
Speaker 2: religious discrimination and they wanted to know why they weren't
37:12
Speaker 2: allowed to identify as Christians out of Christian school, mind you,
37:15
Speaker 2: when other students were allowed to identify as cats by
37:19
Speaker 2: wearing furry ears and tails, or as LGBTQ members by
37:23
Speaker 2: wearing rainbow themed pride items. Joining me as Stephen Shivra,
37:28
Speaker 2: an author and senior lecturer in history at Campion College,
37:31
Speaker 2: and Damien Currie, a corporate communications consultant and host of
37:34
Speaker 2: his own video podcast The other Side. Stephen, the school spokesperson,
37:40
Speaker 2: said the college was quote deeply committed to fostering a
37:43
Speaker 2: culture of inclusion, respect and diversity. They're going to diversify
37:48
Speaker 2: themselves out of business, aren't they?
37:51
Speaker 1: Well they should.
37:52
Speaker 12: I mean, we know now that the word inclusivity means
37:55
Speaker 12: exclusivity and diversity means uniformity. But I want to praise
37:59
Speaker 12: the girls to standing up to woke bullying because that's
38:03
Speaker 12: exactly what happened. They were being bullied when they were
38:07
Speaker 12: asked to take off these crosses. Nobody has a right
38:10
Speaker 12: not to be offended, especially to not be offended when
38:14
Speaker 12: by other people exercising their normal rights in any liberal democracy.
38:19
Speaker 12: And what I want to say to all the girls
38:21
Speaker 12: at this school is where your crosses. If you have
38:24
Speaker 12: a cross, turn up the school and wear that cross
38:27
Speaker 12: and send a message to other students and to teachers
38:31
Speaker 12: and to the school in general that this is a
38:34
Speaker 12: Christian school. It is not a Marxist woke school. And
38:38
Speaker 12: so I praise those girls who did that, and I
38:40
Speaker 12: can tell you right now the school will back down.
38:44
Speaker 1: Don't be bullied. Yeah, good advice.
38:48
Speaker 2: Well, while we're talking about the war on Christianity, have
38:50
Speaker 2: a look at this exchange over the weekend, while Kamara
38:53
Speaker 2: Harris was promoting abortion without limits, the entire crowd erupted
38:58
Speaker 2: into loud cheers, But then a lone student in the crowd,
39:02
Speaker 2: who is a Christian and so pro life called out Jesus' Lord.
39:06
Speaker 2: Now instinctively and without pause, Kamala mocked him, telling him
39:11
Speaker 2: he was at the wrong rally.
39:13
Speaker 1: Take a look at what happened. Oh, you guys are
39:18
Speaker 1: at the wrong rally.
39:32
Speaker 5: No, I think you met to got it the smaller
39:34
Speaker 5: one down the street?
39:40
Speaker 1: Just wow, Damien, what do you make of that? Well?
39:46
Speaker 13: I think it's interesting, isn't it that you know, someone
39:48
Speaker 13: cries Jesus's Lord at a Democrats rally and they're immediately
39:51
Speaker 13: told by the party's presidential candidate that they're at the
39:54
Speaker 13: wrong rally. What does that say about the Democrats and
39:58
Speaker 13: their beliefs and their views. I mean, we've replaced Christianity
40:01
Speaker 13: in the West, or in modern Western culture with you know,
40:05
Speaker 13: this woke ideology, cult, religion nonsense, and it's just leading
40:09
Speaker 13: us into all the sorts of rubbish that we've seen
40:11
Speaker 13: at that school in Melbourne. And I think obviously the
40:17
Speaker 13: principle there has to show some leadership as well. I
40:20
Speaker 13: think she needs to get out there and stand up
40:24
Speaker 13: for those girls that stood up for their right to
40:26
Speaker 13: display across but it just speaks to where we're heading.
40:28
Speaker 13: Every day you wake up and there's just another crazy, insane,
40:32
Speaker 13: woke madness story out there, and in this case, you know,
40:36
Speaker 13: talking about late term abortion on demand. Could we just
40:41
Speaker 13: have a little bit perhaps, you know, debate and discussion
40:45
Speaker 13: about this incredibly complex ethical issue without just assuming that
40:48
Speaker 13: everybody who suggests that, you know, it might be a
40:51
Speaker 13: little bit more complex than just my body my choice
40:54
Speaker 13: is some sort of you know, right wing, far right
40:56
Speaker 13: nutjob that's at the wrong rally. I mean, if that's
40:59
Speaker 13: the inclusivity of the Democrats, they're going to inclusive themselves
41:03
Speaker 13: out of office pretty quickly, I think.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, And when Kamala Harris says you belong at a
41:10
Speaker 2: smaller event down the road, I tell you there's some
41:12
Speaker 2: churches in America that have crowds Kamala Harris would die for.
41:16
Speaker 1: Let's move on to King Charles.
41:18
Speaker 2: Visit here in Australia he continues his royal tour. Former
41:22
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Tony Abbott has made a timely reminder of
41:25
Speaker 2: why now even more than ever, it's important for us
41:28
Speaker 2: to remain loyal to the crown and stay part of
41:31
Speaker 2: the monarchy. Tony Abbott says that whatever your views on
41:33
Speaker 2: the monarchy, with so much social division and with wars
41:37
Speaker 2: threatening to break out around the world, this is not
41:39
Speaker 2: the time for Australia to be weakening existing relationships, especially
41:44
Speaker 2: not with family country.
41:46
Speaker 1: Stephen. I think Tony Abbott raises a very good point here. Yeah,
41:50
Speaker 1: I agree.
41:51
Speaker 12: I'd put it in a slightly different way. I would say,
41:53
Speaker 12: at a time when Australia's sense of self identity, that is,
41:57
Speaker 12: who are we is so weak and so thin, and
42:01
Speaker 12: at the time where there are so many other people
42:04
Speaker 12: and collectives with a very strong sense of self identity,
42:08
Speaker 12: whether that's Islamists, whether that's Indigenous activists who want to
42:13
Speaker 12: divide Australia into two, whether it's Woketavists, at this time
42:19
Speaker 12: we really need to be trying to sort of remind
42:22
Speaker 12: ourselves about who we are historically, rather than severing ourselves
42:27
Speaker 12: from our institutions. And one of the institutions that has
42:31
Speaker 12: defined Australia is the monarchy, and the monarchy is an
42:34
Speaker 12: expression of the very undergirding of Australia, and that is Britishness.
42:40
Speaker 12: We must remember that in seventeen eighty eight Australians did
42:44
Speaker 12: not come to Australia on the first freet fleet. The
42:47
Speaker 12: British came to Australia and they set up British institutions.
42:51
Speaker 12: They brought the English language, they brought British expressions of Christianity,
42:56
Speaker 12: British laws. This is who we are. And as we
43:00
Speaker 12: sever ourselves from that British heritage, we make ourselves more
43:04
Speaker 12: vulnerable for other groups of people to redefine us in
43:07
Speaker 12: ways that can potentially be really terrible, really destabilizing. I
43:12
Speaker 12: actually predict a renaissance of appreciation for Australia's British heritage.
43:17
Speaker 1: God Save the King. Yeah, I concur Damien just very quickly.
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Speaker 1: What do you think for me?
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Speaker 2: I really love seeing the Royals, and I'm not a
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Speaker 2: massive Royal fan, but it's just nice to reconnect, that
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Speaker 2: Stephen said, with our history. With so much turmoil around
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Speaker 2: the world, and indeed domestically, well, we live in a.
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Speaker 13: World where we pretend that we don't have a history,
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Speaker 13: or pretend there's sort of this moral equivalence across all cultures,
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Speaker 13: and we have this multicultural environment. It's one thing to
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Speaker 13: be multi ethnic, but we have to have a single
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Speaker 13: unifying sense of culture and place and where we've come from,
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Speaker 13: and we don't seem to have that in Australia anymore.
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Speaker 1: And the Royals represent.
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Speaker 13: Part of that, as does a Christian or Christian heritage
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Speaker 13: as well. So we're going to throw all of this
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Speaker 13: stuff away.
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Speaker 1: OUI.
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Speaker 13: The great news is though, that nobody wants this. That
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Speaker 13: survey that came out last week that showed that only
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Speaker 13: thirty three percent of people thought Australia should become a
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Speaker 13: republic was very refreshing. But the most interesting part of it, James,
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Speaker 13: was the fact that that was across all age groups.
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Speaker 13: They surveyed boomers, gen X and millennials, and the millennials
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Speaker 13: were also at thirty three percent. So nobody wants a republic,
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Speaker 13: nobody's looking for one, and I think in these as
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Speaker 13: Stephen as sets a sign of the times.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're quite right, Damian Stephen. Appreciate your time tonight.
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Speaker 2: We'll stick around. Coming up after the break, the UK
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Speaker 2: government is going to jab obese people with weight loss
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Speaker 2: drugs in order.
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Speaker 1: To get them back into the workforce. Good idea.
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Speaker 2: Sounds like a dystopian nightmare to me. Ester Craco will
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Speaker 2: join us after this. Well, every time you think the
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Speaker 2: Western world could not possibly get any more dystopian, we
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Speaker 2: end up being surprised by an even more or well idea.
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Speaker 2: The UK government has announced it will provide free weight
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Speaker 2: loss jabs for the unemployed to get obese people back
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Speaker 2: into work. It's hardly a surprise the announcement. Announcement has
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Speaker 2: prompted fierce backlash, with some going as far as calling
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Speaker 2: it dystopian and suggesting it's only one step away from
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Speaker 2: making welfare benefits conditional on getting the JAB. Labour's Health
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Speaker 2: Minister Where's Streeting insists there's nothing sinister.
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Speaker 1: We just want to help people.
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Speaker 2: Joining me from London is writer and commentator Esther Kraku. Esther,
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Speaker 2: what do you make of this announcement? Should our ethical
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Speaker 2: alarm bells be ringing here?
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Speaker 14: Well, it's less ethical alarm dolls and more gros incompetence
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Speaker 14: as we're seeing more and more with this government.
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Speaker 5: So this is part of an experiment, a sort.
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Speaker 14: Of a plan roll out in a collaboration with the
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Speaker 14: pharmaceutical company Lily and it's a trial that's being done
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Speaker 14: in Manchester with five thousand obest people that are unemployed
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Speaker 14: to see if they can get them back into work,
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Speaker 14: But unfortunately the labor government is just using this as
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Speaker 14: some sort of prog right. The real issue with unemployment
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Speaker 14: in this country is not obesity, say, even though we
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Speaker 14: do have an obesity problem, is.
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Speaker 5: The fact that work doesn't actually pay.
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Speaker 14: So you see that the threshold between people getting from
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Speaker 14: benefits to work is so slim that they might as
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Speaker 14: well stay on benefits for a long time.
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Speaker 5: You know, if they were actually interested in.
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Speaker 14: Getting people of benefits, they would make it, for example,
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Speaker 14: more difficult to be able to be unemployed. Definitely for
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Speaker 14: things like depression and anxiety.
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Speaker 5: I kid you not. There are seven hundred thousand.
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Speaker 14: People, many of whom are under the age of thirty five,
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Speaker 14: that never have to look at the job or look
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Speaker 14: for a job in the UK, that are on benefits
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Speaker 14: basically indefinitely for anxiety and depression.
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Speaker 5: And you just have to think, well, of course you're
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Speaker 5: anxious and depressed. You don't have a job.
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Speaker 14: That's pretty anxiety inducing and depressing. But the government solution
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Speaker 14: is is try and get those people back into work.
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Speaker 14: Apparently we need to wrap them in kid gloves and
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Speaker 14: just allow them to live on the doll and definitely,
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Speaker 14: the real issue.
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Speaker 5: Here is in obesity.
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Speaker 14: When it comes to employment is the fact that the
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Speaker 14: tax speciold is so low that actually going.
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Speaker 5: Into full time employment is not beneficial.
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Speaker 14: I know people that have decided to even actually leave
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Speaker 14: their full time jobs to go part time so they.
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Speaker 5: Can claim benefits.
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Speaker 14: So they decide to work less and then are subsidized
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Speaker 14: by the stage because it's more beneficial financially than to
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Speaker 14: actually go into work. And these are the kinds of
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Speaker 14: things that the labor government should be talking about and
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Speaker 14: should be trying to tackle, but they're not on the
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Speaker 14: obesity front. You knowin thirty percent of the English population
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Speaker 14: is actually obese, and sixty seven percent of the entire
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Speaker 14: population is class is overweight or obese, and that has
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Speaker 14: little to do with unemployment and more to do with
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Speaker 14: the fact that we live and more sedentary lifestyle. It's
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Speaker 14: a lot easier to be unhealthy and to be overweight,
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Speaker 14: and there are no consequences for bad lifestyle choices. The
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Speaker 14: NHS is free, even though you know, if you can
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Speaker 14: actually see a GP that's a miracle on its own.
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Speaker 14: But people are not incentivized to be healthy and to
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Speaker 14: eat properly and to actually take responsibility.
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Speaker 5: For their health. Every time we mention some sort of.
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Speaker 14: You know, dual insurance scheme like most of the world,
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Speaker 14: most of the developer has, like France to Germany and
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Speaker 14: other parts of the European continent. People lose their minds
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Speaker 14: as some sort of crime for people to take some
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Speaker 14: responsibility for their health. So this is just another ridiculous
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Speaker 14: argument and it just shows the encompasence of the labor government.
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Speaker 2: Tell you, the other interesting thing they're trying to do
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Speaker 2: is they're going to apparently find people if they miss
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Speaker 2: a doctor's or an NHS appointment, because so many people
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Speaker 2: are missing the Mester Cracker, appreciate your time tonight. Well
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Speaker 2: that's all I've got time for this evening. I'll be
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Speaker 2: back tomorrow night, but stick around. Coming up right now
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Speaker 2: is Sherry Markson