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The Late Debate | 11 February · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait Wait, welcome, Wait debate.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. I'm James
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  Speaker 2: Macpherson with Freeleitch and Caleb Bond. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Facebook and Instagram in the Dock sued by a woman
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  Speaker 2: who claims they caused her mental health problems. The CFMY
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  Speaker 2: you accused of massive corruption, including hiring strippers as cleaners
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  Speaker 2: so they could perform for workers.
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  Speaker 1: What's the issue?
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  Speaker 2: And the University debating Society that won't debate people it
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  Speaker 2: disagrees with. All of that coming up shortly, But first,
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  Speaker 2: of course, the big news tonight Angus Taylor announcing a
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  Speaker 2: short time ago he would resign from shadow cabinet. He
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  Speaker 2: is part of what he had to say.
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  Speaker 3: I don't believe Susan Lee is in a position to
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  Speaker 3: be able to lead the party as it needs to
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  Speaker 3: be led from him just a few moments ago. Attend
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  Speaker 3: to my resignation. I will continue to serve the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 3: You need strong leadership, clear direction and a relentless and
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  Speaker 3: courageous focus on our values. As a first priority. We
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  Speaker 3: need to protect Australian's way of life. We need to
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  Speaker 3: focus on restoring their standard of living.
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  Speaker 2: So the obvious questions. Will he defeat Susan Lee in
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  Speaker 2: a spill? And is Angus Taylor enough to turn the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal fortunes around? Who wants to start?
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  Speaker 4: I think he will defeat Susan. I think what is
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  Speaker 4: Susan's value proposition at this point? The status quo? Okay,
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  Speaker 4: well there won't be a Liberal Party in two years
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  Speaker 4: if we keep the status quo. So I think those
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  Speaker 4: MPs that are on the fence and it will come
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  Speaker 4: down to a couple of swing MPs that aren't locked
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  Speaker 4: in behind either leader. I think, really, what you have
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  Speaker 4: to lose, It's hard to see how things could get
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  Speaker 4: much worse for the Liberal Party. And I also think
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  Speaker 4: Angus Taylor is right the Liberal Party is not representing
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  Speaker 4: Australians or an effective opposition. There is so much they
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  Speaker 4: could be going after right now. One trillion dollars in debt,
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  Speaker 4: massive tax burden, NDIS fraud, China, Defense are so many things,
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  Speaker 4: the cost of living. This is all bread and butter
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  Speaker 4: Liberal issues. The fact that they are polling at fifteen
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  Speaker 4: percent in some polls is an absolute indictment on the leadership.
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  Speaker 4: So I think bringing on. But regardless of whether you
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  Speaker 4: support Susan or angus. It's good it's happening this week.
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  Speaker 4: We need to end the speculation, pick the leader, unite
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  Speaker 4: around them, and then move forward.
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  Speaker 2: We assume it's happening this week, Caleber actually say.
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  Speaker 1: No, it could happen tomorrow. It could happen Fridays, as
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  Speaker 1: has been broadcast on this station for the last couple
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  Speaker 1: of days by Andrew Clonel. It's very much Taylor's preference
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  Speaker 1: that they would have a spill on Friday, which would
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  Speaker 1: avoid him having to walk into christ Time tomorrow as
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  Speaker 1: opposition leader brand new without any prep done. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's got to happen at some point. So whether it's tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's Friday, it's going to happen. And it probably
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  Speaker 1: has to happen at this point because you can't have
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  Speaker 1: a senior member of the coalition resigning from the opposition
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  Speaker 1: front benches and then standing around as some sort of ghost.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there are plenty of miserable ghosts in the
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  Speaker 1: Liberal Party hanging over the head of Susan Lee for
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  Speaker 1: so long as she is leader. You need to bring
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  Speaker 1: it to a head so we can have an answer
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  Speaker 1: and move on from all of this once and for all.
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  Speaker 1: He also said this evening that the Liberal Party was
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  Speaker 1: in its worst position ever.
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  Speaker 3: The Liberal Party is at the worst position it has
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  Speaker 3: been since nineteen forty four when the party was formed.
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  Speaker 3: That is a confronting reality and we cannot ignore it.
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  Speaker 1: It is true, and I thought it was It was
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  Speaker 1: interesting to listen to Andrew Bolts analysis this evening, which
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  Speaker 1: I'm kind of on board with, which is he's come
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  Speaker 1: out and said there are lots of things wrong. You know,
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  Speaker 1: the party's going in the wrong direction whatever, so I
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  Speaker 1: can't stay on this front bench anymore. But there was
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  Speaker 1: very little in the way of what comes next. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we know there's something wrong. I mean, we've all seen
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  Speaker 1: the poll numbers. We know there is something wrong. The
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  Speaker 1: question now is how do you prosecute the case to
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  Speaker 1: bring the Liberal Party back to.
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  Speaker 4: We're yes, but he hasn't won the leadership yet. He
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  Speaker 4: can't come out there. He's just resigned from.
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  Speaker 2: Looking for the leadership. You're trying to convince people I'm
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  Speaker 2: the man. He was not convinced.
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  Speaker 1: You can't go to a spill simply saying, well, she's
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  Speaker 1: no good, but maybe I could be best.
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  Speaker 2: Well that detail that is although that's a winning argument.
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  Speaker 5: That's how bad You've got to remember.
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  Speaker 4: All you have to do is beat her by one
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  Speaker 4: vote and then you'll be the leader. And I think
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  Speaker 4: at this point the risk is if you say too
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  Speaker 4: much too early, you open yourself up pretty tak.
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  Speaker 2: There and said we need most of all courageous leadership.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't want to say too much too early
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  Speaker 2: in case you can't have it both ways. You can't
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  Speaker 2: claim to be courageous and at the same time be nervous, hesitant,
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  Speaker 2: timid and holding your cards closer.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're judging him too soon. I think we
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  Speaker 4: have to wait to see what happens at the spill.
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  Speaker 4: If he becomes leader, then that is the moment where
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  Speaker 4: he needs to set out what defines him.
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  Speaker 5: He can't do it today, it's too soon.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think of as watching Paul Murray before
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  Speaker 2: we came on air and he interviewed the shadow Immigration Minister. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Paul scar and he's a supporter of Susan Lee. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm listening. I wrote down this is his pitch for
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lee remaining as the leader. She deserves a fair go.
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  Speaker 2: You don't think she's had one. She's been there nine months.
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  Speaker 2: Clear air. Well, she's only got polluted air because of
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  Speaker 2: the polls. That's been the problem, and then asked what
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  Speaker 2: of her achievements. He said she was very inspiring after
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  Speaker 2: the Bondbi terror attack. He claimed that she was responsible
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  Speaker 2: for the Royal Commission being called. I think Dawn Fraser
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  Speaker 2: had more to do with that than Susan Lee. And
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  Speaker 2: he said her energy policy is really good. I'm still
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  Speaker 2: not exactly sure what their energy policy is other than
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  Speaker 2: it's not a commitment to net zero.
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  Speaker 1: Nor is anyone else. That's why they're doing so badly
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  Speaker 1: in the polls.
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  Speaker 2: And look that's the pitch by one of her supporters.
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  Speaker 1: And it's fair to say that she I think was
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  Speaker 1: hitting her straps post Bondai. But that all went down
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  Speaker 1: the toilet when the Prime Minister then turned around and
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  Speaker 1: got them in the corner yep and wedged the Nats
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  Speaker 1: and the Liberal Party on the hate speech laws that
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  Speaker 1: the Libs had very much pushed for. And then you've
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  Speaker 1: got your co conspirators saying actually now they were not
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  Speaker 1: on board with that, and then you split up the
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  Speaker 1: coalition and then the coalition gets back together. I mean that
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  Speaker 1: they managed to turn what should have been a big
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  Speaker 1: win into a big mess, and that's why we've ended
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  Speaker 1: up here.
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  Speaker 5: And now I'm sorry on the Bondai point.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, anyone with half a sense of compassion and just
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  Speaker 4: and Australian patriotism would have done well on the Bondai point.
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  Speaker 4: And of course that is the moment where your leadership
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  Speaker 4: is going to look it's strongest. But it's not in
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  Speaker 4: those moments that your leadership is defined. It's when you're
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  Speaker 4: having to deal with the mess of the coalition of
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  Speaker 4: difficult hate speech laws, and that's where she has not succeeded.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, one of the arguments against Andrew Hasty
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  Speaker 2: is he's too green, he lacks experience, But as you
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  Speaker 2: pointed out Susan Lee and Alex Hawk's handling of the
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  Speaker 2: hate speech legislation, I mean they might as well have
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  Speaker 2: been brand new to Parliament the way they screwed that up.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a consequence to coalition. So I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: that Andrew Hasty being green is a real argument against him.
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  Speaker 4: And just one more point, James, you also forgot one
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  Speaker 4: of the key arguments that's being used to keep Susan
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  Speaker 4: in the role, that she's a woman, and apparently you
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  Speaker 4: can't dump the first female leader of the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm sorry, if you're having to resort to Susan's
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  Speaker 4: gender to keep her in the job, I'm afraid it's
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  Speaker 4: already lost cause.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely all right. A fascinating court case in the United
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  Speaker 2: States where a woman is suing Facebook and YouTube, claiming
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  Speaker 2: the social media giants are responsible for her mental health issues. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I should note she also sued Snapchat and TikTok, but
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  Speaker 2: they settled for an undisclosed sum and so they are
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  Speaker 2: no longer part of the case. They claim they will
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  Speaker 2: bring before the court people who will testify that Facebook
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  Speaker 2: and YouTube have been engineered such that they create an addiction,
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  Speaker 2: particularly in children, and the plaintiff is claiming that she
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  Speaker 2: became addicted to social media as a child and as
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  Speaker 2: a result now has all these mental health issues. Facebook
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  Speaker 2: and YouTube will argue that she had mental health issues
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  Speaker 2: as a result of other things going on in her
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  Speaker 2: world and her family. She'd been for counseling since she
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  Speaker 2: was three years older. It raises the interesting question because
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  Speaker 2: because we know through other whistleblowers, for instance, the guy
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  Speaker 2: who is the co creator of the like button on Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: He says, now he wishes he had never helped to
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  Speaker 2: invent that, because it catches people in this sort of
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  Speaker 2: loop of social or the desire for social approval. What's
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  Speaker 2: the balance between personal responsibility and the company's deliberate design
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  Speaker 2: of these apps so that you do get a dopamine
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  Speaker 2: hit and want to stay on longer than you ought.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean so, I think it's most likely she's
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  Speaker 4: trying to sue them for negligence. But to establish that,
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  Speaker 4: you need to establish that the social media company has
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  Speaker 4: a duty of care towards you. You can't just claim, oh,
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  Speaker 4: I got addicted, because that again, that's where the personal
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  Speaker 4: responsibility comes in. So you have to actually establish these
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  Speaker 4: social media companies owe me a duty of care. To
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  Speaker 4: do that, you have to show that the harm was foreseeable,
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  Speaker 4: which I think a lot of the documents that have
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  Speaker 4: come out from the inner wa of Facebook and these
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  Speaker 4: social media companies shows they actually knew exactly what they
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  Speaker 4: were doing when they engineered, particularly the algorithms. Also that
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  Speaker 4: they had sufficient control over the platforms, which we know
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  Speaker 4: they do.
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  Speaker 5: When you have.
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  Speaker 4: Children involved, I think the duty of care is even
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  Speaker 4: more easy to establish, and she was a minor when
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  Speaker 4: this harm apparently happened. And then you have the added
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  Speaker 4: factor that Facebook profits off the risk it creates to
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  Speaker 4: your mental health, which I think would also strengthen her case.
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  Speaker 4: So if she does establish this duty of care, it
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  Speaker 4: will be massive. But at the same time, the UK
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  Speaker 4: has now legislated a statutory duty of care, so it's
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  Speaker 4: already been established in the UK. They want to do
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  Speaker 4: the same thing in Australia. I fear this will unleash
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  Speaker 4: a wave of lawfare against social media giants, but look,
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  Speaker 4: perhaps they deserve it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of I know, sitting on the fence
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  Speaker 1: gives you splinters, but I can see her point, and
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  Speaker 1: I think she's probably right that they are. Well, we
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  Speaker 1: know they're designed to keep you hooked. That that is
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  Speaker 1: the entire point, because you're running a business. Business has
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  Speaker 1: to make money the longer you can keep people engaged.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it might have only been the other
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  Speaker 1: day I heard something about Meta's latest results and they're
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  Speaker 1: bragging that, you know, their engagement has gone up, And
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  Speaker 1: of course an increase in engagement means an increase in
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  Speaker 1: advertising revenue because people are on the platform for longer,
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  Speaker 1: so you've got more opportunity to sell ads to them,
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  Speaker 1: and that makes money for companies lack matter. So it
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  Speaker 1: is built into the fundamental basis of these outfits that
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  Speaker 1: they need you to stay on it for as long
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  Speaker 1: as possible. And you know, to some degree that's a
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  Speaker 1: level of trickery. But you could also say the same
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  Speaker 1: is true of newspapers. I mean, you know, I've worked
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  Speaker 1: in newspapers my entire professional career, and at one point
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  Speaker 1: I was a chief of staff, which means my job
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  Speaker 1: is I'm responsible for the news generation of the news
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  Speaker 1: and constantly, what is going through my head and what
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  Speaker 1: is going through the editor's head is what order of
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  Speaker 1: stories do we put in a paper to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that people keep turning the page and they keep reading
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  Speaker 1: these stories, and therefore we can sell ads in the paper.
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  Speaker 1: That means I get a wage. So we're all kind
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  Speaker 1: of doing that. I mean, we're doing it on this program, right.
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  Speaker 1: We sit down at night and go what stories are
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  Speaker 1: we going to do and what order are we going
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  Speaker 1: to do them in? Because we want you to keep
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  Speaker 1: watching this show. So we are kind of designing the
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  Speaker 1: thing to be, you know, addictive quote as much as
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  Speaker 1: it possibly can.
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  Speaker 2: And if you go down this track, you'll see Sesame Street.
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  Speaker 2: Because in the sixties, one scene would last for you know,
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  Speaker 2: however long. These days, I think the average scene on
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  Speaker 2: Sesame Street it was like five seconds or something such,
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  Speaker 2: designed to be fast paced to keep kids attention. That
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  Speaker 2: of course, has had negative consequences in the classroom. Sesame
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  Speaker 2: Street now liable for lack of a concentration in young people.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think social media's probably had a more
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  Speaker 4: direct and observable impact on mental health in Sesame Street.
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  Speaker 2: Like the data is very the point though, they're just
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  Speaker 2: doing what everybody has done. They've just used the latest
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  Speaker 2: technology to do it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I would say social media is probably more
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  Speaker 4: analogous to Pokey's where you have infinite scrolling. You're literally
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  Speaker 4: hacking the dopamine system of your brain, and you're not
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  Speaker 4: giving users a warning that this is what you're doing.
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  Speaker 4: They just think they're having this organic experience. So I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, it's a very interesting case. But speaking of Facebook,
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  Speaker 4: Mark Zuckerberg is upping and leaving California. He's just bought
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  Speaker 4: a multi hundred million dollar house in Florida, which has
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  Speaker 4: now been nicknamed the Billionaire bunker, and it's because there's
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  Speaker 4: pressure mounting in California to implement a one off five
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  Speaker 4: percent wealth tax on everyone with a net worth of
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  Speaker 4: over a billion dollars.
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  Speaker 5: Now, for Mark Zuckerberg, that will cost him a.
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  Speaker 4: Small eleven billion dollars in tax And I just don't
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  Speaker 4: understand these left wing states, especially in the United States,
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  Speaker 4: where you do have competitive tax between the states. California
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  Speaker 4: is simply just going to lose all of Silicon Valley,
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  Speaker 4: lose all of their wealthy people that pay the lion's
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  Speaker 4: share of the state's income tax.
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  Speaker 5: This is going to backfire massively.
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  Speaker 2: I just love the irony here that Zuckerberg is a
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  Speaker 2: Democrat supporting person who just doesn't want to live under
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  Speaker 2: Democrat policy. So he's up and moving.
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  Speaker 1: Though he did come and kiss the ring with Trump
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  Speaker 1: the election and all that sort of stuff. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there does come a point, no matter how left wing
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  Speaker 1: you are, that you're always going to back the horse
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  Speaker 1: named self interest. And there was we were going to
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  Speaker 1: do it last night. We didn't get to it, but
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: there was a story floating around yesterday sort of along
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  Speaker 1: these lines where the because the Super Bowl was played
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: in California this year, what California does in terms of
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  Speaker 1: the income taxes is they don't just levy you on
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  Speaker 1: the money you've made in the state. They levy you
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  Speaker 1: based on how long you've spent in the state and
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  Speaker 1: what being entirety of your wages are. So players who
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: rocked up to the Super Bowl and spent the week there,
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  Speaker 1: in one example, it was seven days a player had
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  Speaker 1: spent there, they had to pay tax not on the
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty seven grand that they received for
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: playing at the super Bowl, but on the money they
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: had through the entire year. And there are players who
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  Speaker 1: played in the Super Bowl and won the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: on Monday who have to pay more in tax to
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  Speaker 1: the Californian government than they earned from winning the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: If that doesn't tell you how insane this taxation policy is.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing will. While we're talking about insane, let's go down
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  Speaker 1: to Victoria, seemingly the sort of California of Australia where
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: insanity lives, and let's now do a live cross to
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  Speaker 1: Victoria's Big Build. Jam. I know it may seem like
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: a strange segue, but that is indeed what has been
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  Speaker 1: going on that Victoria's Big Build. We learn today from
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  Speaker 1: an inquiry that was being run out of Queensland. It
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  Speaker 1: should be noted but Jeffrey Watson Case was appointed up
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  Speaker 1: there to do almost like a royal commission into the CFMU,
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  Speaker 1: the construction Union, and what mister Watson KC uncovered is
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  Speaker 1: that the Victorian CFMEU is basically as corrupt as you
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  Speaker 1: can allegedly get. Now we'll go into some more detail
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  Speaker 1: of what was found in this report in the papers.
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  Speaker 1: It's on the front of the Heralds tomorrow. But one
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  Speaker 1: of the most interesting things to pull out of this
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  Speaker 1: report was quote women employed as peggys or cleaners on
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  Speaker 1: more than one hundred thousand dollars a year were recruited
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  Speaker 1: from strip clubs during the night shift. The mean would
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  Speaker 1: pay cash to have the women perform a site shed
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  Speaker 1: for goodness sake, So the c for MEU these union
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  Speaker 1: run big bill projects operating with taxpayers money, allegedly going off,
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  Speaker 1: according to this inquiry, to strip clubs and saying how
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  Speaker 1: would you like to be a cleaner on one of
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  Speaker 1: our work sites? And then on the side the fellas
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  Speaker 1: in the in the night will get you to dance
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  Speaker 1: around the mop.
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  Speaker 2: Or something, and so they're being off at one hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars as clean as that was the wage? They meant,
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  Speaker 2: what a great plus whatever plus whatever cash you earn performing.
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  Speaker 4: That's actually not very much compared to what strippers normally,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm surprised they got anyone to do that.
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  Speaker 5: Some of them earn a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: But they're getting a hundred plus the tips. So one
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  Speaker 1: hundred k base pay plus the tips is pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. I think they own more than
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  Speaker 5: you think.
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  Speaker 2: Let's face it, how do you if you're employed, how
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  Speaker 2: do you know what a strip?
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  Speaker 5: No comment on one game?
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  Speaker 2: What are you reason about the standard cleaning though? Because
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  Speaker 2: they're not being employed for their cleaning services, they're employee
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: strip right then he played one hundred grand. Whether they
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: clean the floor or not, everyone's just waiting for SMOKEO.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: They kept themselves clean, I suppose. I mean, you know,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: can we get this gang it's goar and news or something.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, what an amazing rot I mean, and this
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: is that we can to talk more seriously about it.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: This is the stuff that the CFMU has been able
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: to get away with on our dime.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: And here's a crazy thing like this is one of
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: the least defensive things I.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Know, I know, which is this. Yeah.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: No, it also came out that they as soon as
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: the new c FMU you administrator was appointed, they put
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: out a professional hit job on it. They had millions
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: of dollars going through Mick Gatto and Underworld figure and
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: these work sites became basically drug distribution centers for gangs.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: It's just staggering to think that this all happened on
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: the Victorian taxpayer dollar. Fifteen billion dollars is what they
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: reckon has gone through these sites. I mean, it's just
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: truly extraordinary.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: And this, as we should note, this is according to
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Jeffrey Watson's report. There's been no criminal action taken yet,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: but I would not be surprised to see the DPP
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: in the police in Victoria now taking a very close
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: look at this report and saying, my god, we've got
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: to do something here.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: And did you hear just into Ellen's comments now, no,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: I neither did. She was in hiding today, staying in Victoria.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: We spoke the other night about Darrebin Council. They've been
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: flying the Palestinian flag for two years. They put it
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: up pretty quickly after October seven, it's been fluttering away
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: there for two years. But after the Bondai terror attack,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: council members started to get complaints and people wondering why
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: are we flying the Palestinian flag after fifteen Jews were
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: killed at Bondai, and so the council CEO recommended to
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: councilors that they fly a peace flag. Now, there wasn't
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: a spare flag pole, so they suggested maybe we take
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: the pride flag down put a peace flag up, But
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: councilors didn't want any bar of that. So then the
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: suggestion was made, let's take down the Palestinian flag put
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: up the peace flag. Well, councilors delayed voting on that
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: because they wanted a flag policy that encompassed all flags,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: not just what to do about the Palestinian flag, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: so they were to vote on it just the other night,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: but they've put it off again until at least the
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: end of March because they want the CEO to provide
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: clarification on their flag policies. Specifically, they want clarification on
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: how flag policy can be safe for staff and community.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure how a flag is safe or unsafe.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: We've got an unsafe flag policy.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: They want clarification on governance issues as pertaining flying flags,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and they want to know about the diverse views of
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the community and how those are represented in the flag policy.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: So the Palestinian flag, which has been flying for two years,
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: will fly for a couple more months while all of
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: this information is provided to councilors. This is just more
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: proof that we get I think, the worst of Australia
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: sitting in local government council chambers. The big question here, though,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: is why doesn't the federal I think I know the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: answer to this already. I was going to say, why
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: don't the federal government just mandate a flag policy for
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: every council in the country and be done with very
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: mediocre people wasting a lot of ratepayer time and money
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: arguing about rubbish like this.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Well, the simple answer to that is that the federal
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: government has no jurisdic to do.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: So, but the state. The states local councils don't have
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: any jurisdiction for anything. They're not in the constitution. They
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: get rid of them overnight.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: A state could bring in that policy because the councils
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: exist under the basis of the local Government Acts of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: the veryous states. So the state government could say you
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: can only fly these flags and they'd be well within
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: their rights to do so, or they could just abolish
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: the councils. I think that'd be a pretty good start.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, how do you end up in such a
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: flat over a bloody Palestinian flag. It's a foreign flag,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: it's an Australian council. You shouldn't be flying foreign flags.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Apparently part of this new flag policy that you know
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: they must receive more detail on before they pulled the
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: flag down or not, is going to say that you
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: can't fly a foreign flag for try saying that three
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: times fast, fly a flop, fly a foreign flag. I
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: messed it up the second time? Should it stayed first time?
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: That you can't do it for more than seven days
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: in a row or seven days over the period of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: a year. So if that's going to be in the policy,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: why are they arguing over whether it should still be
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: there two years later? Just take the damned thing down.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: It's so ridiculous. But it gets more ridiculous because we
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: are learning more about the death toll that's coming out
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: of Gaza. Of course, when the conflict was actually raging,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: it was hard to get an accurate picture of how
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: many people died, how many of those civilians, how many
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: were terrorists. There were numbers ranging from seventy thousand to
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy thousand, and it was all very muddied.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: But the official death toll that seems to be the
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: consensus between Hamas and also Israel is seventy thousand. But
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: now here is Trump revealing the number of terrorists of
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Hamas fighters that Israel killed.
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: Don't forget. You had October seventh, which was a horrible day,
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: twelve hundred people killed. But Hamas has lost fifty eight
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: thousand people. That's big retribution. That's big retribution. People understand that.
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: So no, I think they're all tired of fighting.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: So fifty eight thousand out of the seventy thousand casualties
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: that is the consensus number, were actually terrorists. That makes
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: this conflict one of the best combat to civilian ratios ever, ever, ever, ever,
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: in the history of modern warfare. And then you add
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: in the fact that Harmas that Gaza is basically one
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: massive fortified city with underground tunnels larger than the London
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: tube network. I mean, these terrorists were so embedded in
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: the infrastructure. The fact that eighty percent of everyone who
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: died was actually terrorist. I mean, it just adds to
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: the absurdity why his councils still obsessed with Palestine when
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: we now know that the vast majority of those who
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: died were terrorists.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Well, adds to the absurdity of people chanting genocide every
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Sunday at Hyde Park and other places around the country.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: It also means that rather than dragging the leaders of
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Israel before the Hague, they should give them all the metal.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: It's astonishing achievement if that is true.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: And they might like to ask the question of why
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Hamas was putting so many people in harm's way because
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: it suited their agenda. We knew that from the beginning
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: and we are still at the same point now. If
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you are a university, you are meant to be a
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: hub of free thought. It's meant to be a place
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: where people can come and debate ideas, even dangerous ideas.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Everything is on the table, academic rigor applied to every
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: possible idea, every idea interrogated to the nth degree, except
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: if you are bangor University in Wales, where they're debating club.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: This is an important point. They're debating club which is
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: meant to I don't know, debate things. I assume. I
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: guess that's why they call themselves a debating society. They
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: have banned MPs from the Reform Party Nagel Faraja's Reform
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Party from coming to visit them so that their members
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: can ask them questions and debate them. How strange.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: This is a.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Statement from the Bangor Debating Society. The Debating and Political
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Society received a request from Jack Anderton and Sarah is
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: at post or poken anyway. I'm sorry Sarah for mispronouncing
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: your name if I've done so, of Reform UK to
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: a ten Bangal university and give a Q and A
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to students in line with our values. This request was refused.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: We stand by this decision as a committee. Their approach
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: to the lives of others is antithetical to the values
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: of welcoming and fair debate that our society is upheld
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: for one hundred and seventy seven years. We are proud
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: to be the first of the debating unions to take
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a stand against Reform UK. There might be a reason
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: for that. We strongly implore our fellow societies to join
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: us in keeping hate out of our universities. So there
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: you go. They're a debating society that is now banning debate.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Ah, they're going to defeat Reform by hiding from them.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: That's amazing what they're saying. They specifically mentioned reforms record
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: on racism, homophobia and transphobia and Sarah Poachin. Is that
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: how we're going to hide her name? I mean, let
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: me play you a quick grab of Sarah talking about
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: transgender issues and apparently this is so hateful that she
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: is no longer welcome to debate at Bengal University.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: Under for women's safety, for girls safety. Another aspect that
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: I feel very passionate about is that no female spaces
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: should be invaded by biological males.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I think she's simply saying what most reasonable normal people
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: would feel, but no longer welcome at Bengor University. This
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: is going to have an effect on enrollments, is it not.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: If you're a parent thinking about where will I send
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: my son or daughter of the university, you wouldn't exactly
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: be enamored with this, would you?
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Zi use if the chairman of Reform UK came out
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: and said, well, if Reform gets elected, wagniestrap thirty million
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: pounds worth of funding to bakor At University. So the
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: university was pretty quick to distance themselves from this decision
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: so called debating society. But it really doesn't surprise me
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: very much at all, having graduated from Sydney University a
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: couple of years ago. I mean, the left stranglehold on
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: all of these societies is suffocating. And when we as Conservatives,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: I was president of the Conservative Club, when we hosted events,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: we had Tony Abbott, we had Constantine Kissen on campus,
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: we had to foot the bill for our own security,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: even though it was the Left that would come and
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: protest and shut down events and deny our freedom of speech.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: So campuses are just as cesspool for this stuff.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, doctors in the UK are being told
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: to stop discouraging people from marrying their first cousins and
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: having children. Now in the British Pakistani community, some studies
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: estimate between thirty to fifty percent of that community marrying
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: their first cousins. Here's a report from the Telegraph. In
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: the UK, the National Child Motel Databases told NHS staff
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: it is unacceptable to discourage close relative marriage in a
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: blanket way because parents are only at a slightly increased
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: risk of having a child with the genetic disorder. Now,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: most of the stuff I've read today says the risk
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: in the general population of having a baby with a
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: genetic disorder is about two to three percent. It's more
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: like six percent if you are married to your first cousin,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: so slightly increased risk will double the risk. It goes
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: on to say genetic counselors should meet with couples and
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: their relatives to advise them on how to consider arranging
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: future marriages outside of the family. This is incredible that
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: the NHS would be telling doctors don't discourage people from
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: marrying their first cousins and having children. It kind of
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: begs the question, Caleb, how did the UK get to
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: a place where this is not only practiced, but is
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: being approved of by people who are supposed to be
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: providing health advice.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Because cultural sensitivity is now more important than sanity, And
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: that's how you end up with not having a country
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: at all, if you just get rid of all your principles.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, the evidence is just so damn clear, And
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: there's a long study that's been done out of a
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: part of the UK where they have a high proportion
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: of children who have been born to first cousins, and they,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: over a period of twenty years, have analyzed the data
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: in terms of hospital presentations, GP presentations, school results, all
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: sorts and have found that on every single marker, children
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: who are born to first cousins are suffering from some
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: form of retardation in terms of their school results or
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: their health results. They are backwards compared to the rest
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: of the general population. So it's just it's there. There's
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: no debate about that. And so for a health outfit
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: like the NHS to be advised not to give basic
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: health advice, the NHS don't forget last year put up
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: a blog post on its website saying that there could
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: be various potential benefits quote unquote to first cousin marriages,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: including that it keeps families closer together, I mean. And
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: they took that down very quickly because it caused a
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: raucus in the UK. What a surprise. But when you've
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: got health bodies advising people in this manner, you've got
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: to ask the question, are you a health body at all?
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Exactly.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: And we do know from many studies that these first
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: cousin marriages and the congenital birth defects that often result
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: are costing the NHS tens of millions of pounds a
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: year in extra healthcare costs, not to mention the lost
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: tax revenue for citizens who simply can never fully participate
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: in society. And actually the risk of birth defects compound
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: when you have multiple generations of first cousin marriages, so
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: it actually gets worse and worse and worse over time.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: But I think this is just a great example of
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: how the Left, in their desire to be inclusive, tolerant
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: and compassionate, are actually blind to what is truly compassionate.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Because think about these poor children. The compassionate thing to
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: do would be to say, this is going to set
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: your child up for life long problems, disability, birth defects
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: that's going to follow them around forever. This is the
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: opposite of compassionate. But speaking of children, over in Queensland,
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: the Christo Foley government's crackdown on youth crime is continuing.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Now they're expanding ankle bracelet monitoring to children as young
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: as ten years old. But for some reason, the Police
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: Union is coming out and criticizing the move, saying it's
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: going to increase their work and not produce any results.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: This is what the head of the police union said.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Police are getting sick and tired of picking up the
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: slack of other departments. Whatever promise is made and whoever
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: makes it, it seems to fall on police to deliver.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: It's just common sense that you can't keep loading up
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: one workforce otherwise it will break. And what they're concerned
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: about is they got five six hundred and seventy seven
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: alerts from this ankle bracelet monitor trial. Only thirty three
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: resulted in an actual bail breach and one in five
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: were simply because of a dead ankle monitoring battery. So
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: when you see those numbers, I kind of understand what
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: they're saying. Is that really an efficient use of police resources?
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: No, it's not an efficient use of police resources. But
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: the balance is do ankle bracelet monitors reduce crime?
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: David Crystal fully and I'll show you him announcing this
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: in a moment, but he reckons that there's a twenty
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: five percent reduction in crime because of these ankle bracelets.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Here he is back in December announcing that children would
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: be subject to this measure. It is more police, it's
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: early intervention.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: It's rehabilitation.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: It's making sure that at every element there is an
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: opportunity to make sure that we can turn a young
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: person's life around. My question is if you're putting a
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: bracelet monitoring device on a ten year old. I mean,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: I've had ten year olds. I know where they are
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: at all times. They're not jumping out a window in
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: the middle of the night. I'm a parent. It's shocking
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: that we've got ten year olds who would require this.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you have a mom or a dad at home
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: who say, you know what, will make sure little Johnny
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: is not out thieving in the middle of the night.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: That was a rhetorical question, wasn't it, James. I mean
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: there clearly that that's been the problem all along, is
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: that they either don't have any parental oversight or the
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: parental oversight is so bad that I think in many cases,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the kids are going out and finding other people to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: hang out with that lead them into crime because they
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: don't want to be at home because the situation at
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: home is no good. And so I feel sorry for
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: some of these kids in that way, because they fall
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the tracks and then they're
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: in deep and there's no way of getting out. But
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: how do you end up in a situation wherein not
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: charging their ankle monitors, And that's what the police have.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I sympathize with the police that they're going out and winning.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Farther of these things is one that hasn't been charged up.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Surely you have to make it part of your bail
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: conditions or whatever, that you have to charge your ankle monitor.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: And then if they're a child, it should fall on
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: the parents to take responsibility for that. I mean, if
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: you're a ten year old, yes, your parents should actually
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: be involved in your life.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: If the parents can't keep the ten year old in
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: the bedroom at night, I'm not sure they'll keep the
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: ankle bracelet charged. We're to go to a break. When
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: we'll come back, we'll look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: including an in credible story a ninety nine year old
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: couple waiting for age to care support told I'll have
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: to wait twelve months. That's coming out next. Welcome back
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: to the program. Let's have a look at what's making
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: news tomorrow, Caleb. You've got the Australian some good stories
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: on the front page of tomorrow's OZ.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Indeed, innocent, young Canberra bakery worker or a Chinese spy
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: took a bit of a turn, didn't death headline patriotic?
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: So patriotic that maybe that's part of this story. But
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: the word is actually polait I should read this a
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: little better small print. I'll actually let you in on
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: a secret. There's a reason James never reads the OZ
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: and it's because he can't read the small print on
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the print outside.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: By the way, I can read the normal Australian newspaper,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: but it's just not our producers.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: I know because we get because we get it on
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: age three, so it's like half size anyway. It's his polite,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: young and even quietly patriotic. That's where I got it from.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: To her adopted country, Jing Suru presents a hard working
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: bakery assistant serving coffees and buns to busy can beerans,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: but federal authorities alleged the peaceful life of Miss Jing
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: in since leads is a facade, and that the thirty
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: one year old with a shy smile is actually a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party agent working surreptitiously to monitor members of
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Australia's Chinese community. Miss Jing on Wednesday, Sat in the
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Act Magistrate's Court charged with an alleged foreign spy together
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: with a twenty five year old Chinese man who cannot
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: be named for legal reasons. Police accuse the pair of
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: collecting information on a Canberra Buddhist group for Beijing's Public
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Security Bureau. With another Chinese woman who was arrested in August.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: All three faced charges of reckless foreign interference, which carries
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: a maximum fifteen year prison term. Now, of course it
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: will be up to the courts to decide whether or
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: not this is actually what has happened. But the fact
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: that we're even talking about or considering the idea that
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: there would be Chinese spas working in Canbern bakeries keeping
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: an eye on Buddhist groups in Australia is quite extraordinary. Well.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Mike Burgess, the head of ASIO, spoke was that November
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: last year and talked about the fact that there are
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: at least three nations that are capable of carrying out
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: political assassinations, and not just political assassinations, but dissidents in
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Australia who speak against whatever regime they have fled from.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: We know Iranians in this country complaining that they are
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: being harassed if ever they speak out against the Islamic
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Republic of Iran, so Asier I have put this on
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: everyone's agenda. Now we see the courts deciding on allegation.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's probably a lot more than one bakery
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: worker to be uncovered here. I think there's a And
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: actually what's interesting is there are a whole bunch of
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: visas that get canceled all the time for foreign agents
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: that we never actually hear about in the public. So
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: this is a massive issue in Australia.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: It wasn't patriotic, it was pastriotic.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Another story on the front of the odds which will
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: probably make you want to be pastriotic because you'll need
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: something to get over this. Just gross debt to hit
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: one trillion dollars Early gross debt is on track to
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: crack the one trillion dollar mark in a matter of weeks,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: and before Jim Chalmers delivers his main budget, the country's
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: biggest bank expects. Has Treasury revealed an embarrassing and previously
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: undisclosed fifty four billion dollar blowout in the government's medium
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: term position. As you can just have a fifty four
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: billion dollar blowout, isn't it. While Treasury's forecast in the
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: mid year Fiscal and Economic Update in December was for
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: gross debt to hit nine hundred and ninety three billion,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: or thirty four percent of GDP by the end of
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: this financial year. The government's debt manager, the Australian Office
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of Financial Management, has recorded that that level has already
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: been hit And if this had happened ten years ago,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: it would be everywhere, huge story, trillion do get insane?
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: How has this happened? But of course last time someone
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: tried to do anything about it was Tony Abbott and
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Joe Hockey and they got absolutely dreamed for trying to
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: bring in a bit of austerity and save some money.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And everyone's been afraid to touch it ever since. And
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: so it's basically just fallen off the political logic.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Can I have your front page? I can't show mine
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: because I've doodled on it. I can see if you
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: look at the front page of the OARS like here's
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Angus Taylor right, Liberal leadership Australia are trillion dollars in debt,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: little story here And that's the tragic situation we've got
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: in our country now. That should be the main story tomorrow.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: A trillion dollar debt. Instead, it's reduced to a small
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: piece of the front page because the Liberals have got
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: leadership was well.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: It gets even more tragic when you remember that when
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: Howard left government in two thousand and seven, the country
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: had no debt. It actually had assets, which is unheard of.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: And so in under twenty years we've gone from a
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: position of having net assets having a trillion dollars in debt,
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: and I hate to say it, both sides of the
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: political aisle are responsible for that terrible performance. In the
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Daily Telegraph tomorrow, the headline is oz Greed's real estate
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: double play electricity monopoly. Osgried is selling off prime land
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: to assist a company that is on selling the profits
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: the properties for huge profits to line shareholders' pockets rather
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: than cut electricity bills. In one instance, Osgrid sold an
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: electricity station at Kuji for twenty thousand dollars to sister
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: company Aurora, which is listed it at auction for one
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: point two five million as six thousand percent increase. An
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: investigation by the Daily Telegraph has found multiple properties sold
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: by Osgrid to its property arm at bargain basement prices
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: totaling seventy one million dollars and of course massive splash
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: on the front page. Angus Taylor, no Gus, no Golas.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: But how about that Osgrid selling on properties at a
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: basement price to itself, to itself for its shareholders when
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: we're copying, you know, twenty five percent increases in power bills.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: It's such a weird setup that they move the property
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: from one basis one outfit to another, and then an
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: outfit goes and sells it for lots of money. Look,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I understand why a business would want to do that,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: but when they're charged with providing power to the rest
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: of us, surely their first obligation ought to be to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: deliver the best service for us.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Right soft, All right, let's go to the Tasmanian Mercury
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: because there's a couple of great stories on the front page.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: We'll start with. When I say great, it's kind of
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: sad but ridiculous. At the same time, five thousand died
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: waiting for aged care. Almost five thousand people died waiting
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: for appropriate aged care support at home. It's been revealed.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: This is the part I wanted to highlight in an
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: illustration of just how hard it is for Australians to
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: get the help they need. A ninety nine year old
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: couple was told they'll have to wait up to twelve
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: months for new package funding to come through. Here's the kicker, though,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: if they had been an Aboriginal couple or a Torres
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: straight eiland the couple, they would get immediate funding. But
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: because they're just your average I presume ninety nine year
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: old Caucasian couple, they'll have to make it to one
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: hundred before the government will provide them with proper support.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Or joke, they've paid taxes all their life.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: You'll make it another year, right, ninety nine?
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Forget like, what do you get a letter from the
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: king or something?
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Ah, government, what a great place to live. This is
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: a story that Caleb would absolutely love. It's about two thousand,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: four hundred meters. Reads the headline, Hobart Cup run thirty
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: seven meters short, cost my horse the race. The article
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: begins channeling the Sydney Olympics inspired TV comedy The Games.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Tasmanian Races Racing's premiere event, the Hobart Cup, was mistakenly
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: run thirty seven meters short of the required twenty four
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: hundred meters because the starting barriers were set up at
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: the wrong point on the track. Now the furious trainer
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: of the third place getter is demanding his share of
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: the winner's prize money. Caleb, you are the racing expert
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: on the late debate. How the heck do they make
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: a mistake like that?
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I do not know. That is just extraordinary, But yes,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that the horse that came in third was gaining at
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: the line, and had there been another thirty seven meters there,
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: there's a good chance the horse would have won.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Do you know how they figured it out? Because it
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: was a wet track and the winning horse set the
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: record on that track over that distance, and everyone thought,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: hang on a second, how could an outsider have done that?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: And they realized that, Well, they.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Referenced the games there. I imagine this is something like
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the discussion they would have been having at the racing
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: club the other day.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: And mister Wilson, have you measured the one hundred meters track?
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, of course, Well let me.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: How long is it?
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: How long is the hundred meters track? Yes, it's one
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: hundred meters track. Yeah, I know what it is, mister Wilson.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I'm asking you how long it is. It's about one
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: hundred meters it's about one hundred meters long.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, how long should it be, mister.
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Wilson, that's about the length.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: It should be.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: About hundred meters long. Is the two hundred meters track
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: about two hundred meters long?
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Well, the two hundred meters track is different.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: I mean it's a twenty four hundred meters race. How
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: is it not twenty four hundred meters exactly?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break. When
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: we come back, you swim inside the shark nets because
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: there's no sharks, right, But if there was a shark
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: inside the shark nets, you wouldn't go into the water,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: would you. It's coming up next. Well, people who went
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: for a swim this morning at the harborpool at Manly
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Cove got a surprise when they found a one point
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: two meters shark inside the netted swimming area. Council were
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: immediately advised and took steps to remove it. It took
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: them more than three hours to help it out of
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: the netted area, but swimmers continued to swim inside the
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: netted area with the shark. Regardless, more than a dozen
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: people went for a swim. One guy with the name
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: of Frank Topham told journalists if you leave it alone,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: it'll leave you alone, and another man visiting from Cyprus
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: swam over the top of the shark, saying it looked
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: a bit stressed, maybe a bit sick. It was just
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: swimming up and down. Are these people crazy?
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: What on Earth?
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: I mean maybe it was confused at a big Cypriota
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: swimming over the top of it, going what is going on?
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: But the port? I mean, I do feel bad for
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: the shark.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: It wouldn't be stressful being stuck inside a shark net,
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: but for the swimmers who on Earth decides to go
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: in win the shark?
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to swim. I want to swim with
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: a child shark, not a stressed out I don't want.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: To swim with any shark at all. If I was
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: going for a swim in a netted beach and I
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: saw a shark, I'd probably crap Madax. And that's how
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: we end up at the Adelaide Quatic Center. Because you
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: may remember a few weeks ago we told you the
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: story of the new Adelaida Quatic Center and that I
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: think it was the first day that they opened it up,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: someone took a dump in the child's pool so they
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: had to evacuate it. Well, it turns out they have
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: more problems of contamination at the brand new Adelaida Quatic
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Center because they have discovered some sort of parasite to cryptosporidium,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: which apparently gives you gastro intestinal problems. So they've had
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: to evacuate a few more of the pools in the
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: aquatic center because I don't know how that got there,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: whether someone else took it dumb, but what happened. But
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: they seem to have a lot of problems with things
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: turning up in the Adelaida Cordic Center.
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: That shouldn't be there indeed.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: And look, if you need to relieve yourself from the
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: gastro intestinal problems that you've acquired at the Adelaide pool,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: if you do end up doing that at the Flinders
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Rangers National Park public toilet, make sure you look down
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: before sitting on the toilet.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they go down, Stay up mane, No, you don't
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: be a geese for his Now.
• 48:15
  Speaker 7: I can't believe this.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: So that is the head of a python found inside
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: the toilet. You know that irrational fear you get that
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: there's something in there.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: You just got to check. Well, it turns out it's
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: not irrational.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Wow, imagine I mean, what if it hadn't popped its
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: head up though, because it could still be That would
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: just make me check every time. Yeah, because it's quite
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: a national park, right, so you've got to expect a
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: national park toilet you would check it thoroughly before you
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: sat on it.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know that you normally check for like living
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: things in the toilet. Imagine if you're sitting there the
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: thing comes up and bites you're on the bum. It
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: couldn't be very pleasant anyway. I'm sure it's not the
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: first snake that that toilet has seen. It normally deal
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: with as the snakes, but it's a new variety. It is.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: There you go. That's it from us sticking around. Coming
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: up in just a moment, is the reader Pennekey show
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: good night?
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah,