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- 0:02From Typhoid Fever to a community corridor linking the Parramatta
- 0:08and Cooks River, the Greenway.
- 0:12Hello and welcome to Urban Aling here.
- 0:15it's surprising when you're preparing for another, episode that you stumble
- 0:21upon these things that, were relevant in past episodes and you might recall.
- 0:26Then in the last one, my son Duncan, made a very interesting point that, um,
- 0:31oysters became absolutely essential, for the building of the European
- 0:36buildings in Sydney, because they needed mortar and they needed lime.
- 0:41in the course of looking at this, episode, which relates to, I'm Koval.
- 0:47For reasons I'll explain Shortly.
- 0:48Also known as Long Cove.
- 0:50I came upon this piece of information, and it's a government and general
- 0:56order, and it's from the Secondary's office of the Civil Department
- 1:01on the 21st of October 18, 18.
- 1:04And this is the text it being necessary to reserve for the making of lime for
- 1:09the various public government buildings.
- 1:12Now in progress at Sydney.
- 1:14All the seashells found in the surrounding coves, and particularly
- 1:20those in long and Iron Cove.
- 1:23His Excellency, the Governor is pleased, hereby to order and direct
- 1:27that no person whatever shall remove or otherwise possess himself of any of the
- 1:32shells in Long Cove or on Cove forset upon pain of being prosecuted for the
- 1:38same and on conviction of being fined.
- 1:43The direction of a bench of magistrates in any sum, not less than five pounds,
- 1:48which was pretty significant money in those days, Sterling, one half of which
- 1:52fine is to go to the informant and the other half to go to the police fund.
- 1:57So, uh, when I said, just in passing that you could say Sydney was built on
- 2:02bricks and, uh, oysters, it seems that was, uh, more correct than I've thought.
- 2:08the walk, the greenway begins just at the southern end of what we
- 2:11call arm cove, but there's been various names, over the years.
- 2:16Was originally named Long Cove and there's this description going
- 2:20back to the early 18 hundreds.
- 2:23Long Cove is as its name in ports, a long south arm of the Parramatta
- 2:28River, receiving waters of the Iron Cove and long cove creeks.
- 2:34It has several small bays, the principle being sisters and
- 2:38Half Moon Bay and Iron Cove Bay.
- 2:42There is a small rocky island called Burke Island about the middle of the
- 2:46cove, a favorite place for picnic and oyster parties, and a group of
- 2:52small rocks or washer, blow tide called sisters rocks on the east side.
- 2:58Obviously enough, the oyster parties on the island would've
- 3:01come to a, to a pretty sudden end and at an earlier time in a map.
- 3:06In fact, from 1822, it was referred to as Iron Stone Cove.
- 3:11So all that's a mystery of where it ended up.
- 3:13Probably doesn't matter much, but originally.
- 3:16iron Cove was just re, re reserved for a small bay, running roughly
- 3:21northeast, southwest towards the western side of what, was called Long Cove.
- 3:27So that's where it starts.
- 3:29again, it's, it's very accessible to public transport.
- 3:32You can get the light rail to, north, light car.
- 3:35I think it's, and, uh, it's a very simple and easy walk down to what is called the
- 3:41Hawthorne Canal, but was, long Creek now.
- 3:45It's been open fairly recently.
- 3:47It's, I think it's only a matter of months, but it
- 3:49certainly seems very popular.
- 3:52I was asked to, to describe the Greenway in two words.
- 3:56I think what I'd choose, is accessible and history.
- 4:01And within inaccessible there's two things really.
- 4:05There's, first of all, just, you know, people's physical and, other
- 4:08capacities, and dealing with that.
- 4:11The great thing about this walk, it's not that long.
- 4:13It's only around six kilometers.
- 4:17it's all beautifully, wide pave footpath.
- 4:19It's really pretty flat.
- 4:20There's something occasionally you'd call a small rise, but it's nothing difficult.
- 4:25But the great thing is it, it's basically running beside the light rail.
- 4:29So there's all these little stops along the way.
- 4:32so if you could take.
- 4:34You know, grandpa and grandma are right down to the small children, and
- 4:37I think everyone could be accommodated.
- 4:39So it's a, it's a fantastic resort.
- 4:42we did it recently.
- 4:43I didn't count the number of children's playgrounds, but I
- 4:46certainly recall there were two.
- 4:48So you'd be able to keep everyone occupied, and if someone didn't
- 4:51want to go the whole way, then they could stay in a park and whatever.
- 4:55But the other side of accessibility, which struck me, is that.
- 4:59It gives you a very interesting insight into various suburbs in that fairly
- 5:04small distance between the two rivers.
- 5:06And, we all tend to get stuck at our places in Sydney and don't
- 5:11really know a great deal about.
- 5:14other suburbs and we tend to get preconceived ideas, but what you
- 5:18discover on this walk is just again, how many delightful spots
- 5:22there are to live in Sydney.
- 5:24And, you get a real, I suppose you'd call it a cross section
- 5:27of, of the, those suburban areas.
- 5:29So that's the two levels of accessibility.
- 5:33Then the other word history there is enormous history here.
- 5:37and I'll come to in a minute, the fact that there were about three factors,
- 5:41which meant we were lucky enough to have the public land still available to
- 5:45actually build this, this great facility.
- 5:50and we'll touch upon that and some of the historic things that have happened there.
- 5:54Now look, the suming up, summing up the walk overall, that's, I mean,
- 5:58you wouldn't go to see the scenery.
- 6:00it's not.
- 6:02It's not stunning bush or gardens.
- 6:04There's bits and pieces that are pleasant.
- 6:06so you'd call it pleasant but not scenic.
- 6:10But look, it's certainly interesting.
- 6:12now if we can go back a bit.
- 6:14The story is, is all too common.
- 6:16I mean, going back some episodes we talked about how we, humans, European
- 6:22humans managed to successfully, wreck all.
- 6:26Early sources of water.
- 6:28We did it to the tank shrimp.
- 6:29We know we did it to the Cooks River.
- 6:31And again, we did it and did it masterfully to long, Cove Creek.
- 6:37And I should just explain.
- 6:39Long Cove Creek became later on, it was post-war in this, the last century.
- 6:44it was.
- 6:45Made into a canal, and it was named the Hawthorne Canal, after one of the
- 6:50members of parliament from those times.
- 6:53I think his name was John Hawthorne.
- 6:56the state of the river of the creek rather, was just extraordinary.
- 6:59in its disgusting.
- 7:01Depravity, and here are some of the descriptions from the the
- 7:05late parts of the 18 hundreds.
- 7:08The method in which that land has been laid out for building purposes has been
- 7:13conducive to the soil becoming charged with filth and fever, poison, and the
- 7:19evils arising from this state of things are becoming aggravated by additional
- 7:24surface drainage as a consequence of the increase in the population.
- 7:28now bear in mind, Haberfield, which was designed as a garden suburb in
- 7:33it's, you know, very lovely place, in the early part of the 19 hundreds.
- 7:37they must have improved things a lot before they began trying to sell houses
- 7:41in Haberfield, which actually adjoins the western edge at the beginning of the,
- 7:46of the canal, but going on again, and I mentioned in the, the title about typhoid.
- 7:51just this passage during the summer of 18 84, 85, there was heavier
- 7:56than usual outbreak of typhoid fever in Sydney, heavier than usual.
- 8:00That sounds encouraging, doesn't it?
- 8:02Local papers, published , instances of disease, municipal neglect,
- 8:07contaminated water and milk supplies, the state of the cesspits and so on.
- 8:13In February, 1886, an outbreak of Tyfort in ly car was traced to a
- 8:18dairy on the hemp hell Somal estate.
- 8:21Now, that estate was right up near the point where the creek joined onto a farm
- 8:26cove or long cove on the eastern side.
- 8:28this land was located near the Esry and on the east side of Long Creek.
- 8:32As I just said, report to the president of the Board of Health by the medical
- 8:36advisor, Dr. Ashburn and Thompson found that the dairy was served by
- 8:41a well that was located so as to receive the drainage of two cemeteries
- 8:47and night saw from its own backyard, particularly high levels of hygiene.
- 8:51Among 147 customers who were supplied from this dairy, there were 35
- 8:56cases of typhoid that was distinctly dis traceable to the dairies milk.
- 9:03and of course, it was a matter of a great concern was raised in Parliament
- 9:08and the local member Hawthorne.
- 9:10Mentioned John Stewart Hawthorne said this in Parliament, during a speech, at
- 9:16those times, the dairy is unfortunately situated on a watercourse and is
- 9:22subject to the abominable smells, which pour down from the surrounding
- 9:26municipalities into Arm Cove Bay.
- 9:30ARD is one of the best situated suburban boroughs.
- 9:33It has several miles of water frontage.
- 9:36It is very high and naturally well drained, but unfortunately it is
- 9:41a receptacle for the drainage of Petersham five Dock and Asheville.
- 9:47And so it was a, it was a pretty appalling state that everything had
- 9:51got into, and it's really nothing, sort of a miracle that it's been
- 9:54brought back to this facility, the public facility we've now got.
- 9:59There was another interesting description about.
- 10:01The state of things.
- 10:03The residents were so outraged in 1889.
- 10:06They got the, the Minister for Public Works who was called Bruce
- 10:10Smith down to inspect the creek.
- 10:13And apparently, apparently the smell was so bad.
- 10:16He cut, he cut the, uh, visit short and lift filling decidedly ill.
- 10:22So eventually, obviously they, they got things done because that's why
- 10:27we've got what we've got today.
- 10:29now as I just mentioned before, there are a number of factors which combined
- 10:33happily to mean that there was this basic corridor of public land running this whole
- 10:40six kilometers between the two rivers.
- 10:43Now there are a number of factors.
- 10:44The first factor was that, long Creek itself was pretty substantial, and as
- 10:49you see it now, confined within the walls of the canal, is quite different
- 10:54to what, it wasn't spread out a lot more as you'd expect it would've been titled.
- 10:58So it was a significant waterway.
- 11:00So the solution happily, in this case wasn't just to pipe it
- 11:05underground, build over the top.
- 11:06So that's the first factor, the geographical factor that it was there.
- 11:12Now the second thing, is really quite interesting, and that is at
- 11:16one time there was a serious proposal to dam the upper reaches of the,
- 11:21of Long Creek by means of, three.
- 11:24Wes say it'd have a tiered reservoir, and it would've started roughly
- 11:29around where the main line from.
- 11:32Central to Strathfield goes and then, gone up from there.
- 11:36And how that came about is in 1867 and 68, there was a Royal Commission that
- 11:41were appointed by Sir Henry Parks, the then premier, the very famous premier,
- 11:46into this future of Sydney's water supply.
- 11:49And for those of you recall, uh, the episode about Sir James Martin,
- 11:54it was a matter that concerned him, and we were very fortunate.
- 11:59Foresighted people in those days who were trying to plan ahead for the fantastic
- 12:03water supply that we have got now.
- 12:06There were two members, there were, sorry, five members, for the
- 12:09Royal Commission, but two of them,
- 12:12One name.
- 12:12We know Edward Morte.
- 12:14There was an episode, a few back about him, a very interesting engineer, and
- 12:20another chap called Thomas War, W-O-O-R-E.
- 12:25Now, Morty.
- 12:27Proposed and, and pressed for the up and the Pean system, which is in fact
- 12:31the system that was ultimately built.
- 12:33And that starts way up near in the Southern highlights, up
- 12:37almost at Robertson, a very short distance north of Robertson.
- 12:41and he pressed that.
- 12:42But Mr. War's idea was, that.
- 12:46The there'd be a dam created on the Warwick Gamba River and the water then
- 12:51be taken by pipe or canal, down to a reservoir to be built on Long Creek.
- 12:57Now, there were apparently technical problems with war's proposal.
- 13:02Main one being that.
- 13:03To get gravity falls from Warwick and to Sydney, you would've needed an
- 13:07enormous dam, which was just beyond the, the capacities at the time.
- 13:13so ultimately the Royal Commission found in favor of two of,
- 13:17mortis up in the Pean system.
- 13:19And, war was outraged by this.
- 13:22And they all got quite fractious, but in a funny way, they were both right.
- 13:28Because War Who continued to adv advocate his war gamba scheme after the Royal
- 13:33Commission, he in fact was proved right?
- 13:36'cause ultimately that dam was built.
- 13:38and, it was in 1960 that the War Gamba Dam was built.
- 13:43And of course, by that time, the, the construction materials, the engineering,
- 13:47the, the building capacity was such they could build a large enough dam.
- 13:52Uh, and it's funny, when I saw that date, I remembered as a very young
- 13:57school child, we went on a, a bus trip, a school excursion to war dam.
- 14:02Just when it was built was, uh, yeah, it was a big deal in those days.
- 14:07So that's the, the second factor that it, it didn't end up as, as a reservoir.
- 14:13And the third factor is probably the.
- 14:15Probably the most important one.
- 14:17and that is the building of the goods line, which is of course
- 14:21now what is used by the light rail and the corridor that was there.
- 14:26the goods line is where The pathway is substantially placed now.
- 14:32The suburban line, that's the line running from Central to Strathfield,
- 14:36all the stations in between, that was built in about 1855.
- 14:42And in 1895, they built a spur off the Illawarra line and ran a line
- 14:48out towards D Hill and Marrickville.
- 14:52Now the problem that arose, was that all the rail, trucks and carriages
- 14:58and trains, from all over the central and southern part of the state,
- 15:03all had to come down that one line between Strathfield and Central, and
- 15:07that was causing enormous problems.
- 15:09I should just say.
- 15:10That how the railway system evolved is there was the Sydney railway system with
- 15:15all the lions going west and southwest, coming to Sydney, and then there was
- 15:19the separate Newcastle system where all the lions went up to the north and
- 15:23northwest, but ended in Newcastle and they weren't joined up by the Newcastle
- 15:28Sydney Lion until roughly 18, 18 85.
- 15:32In 1894, there were 10,807 railway trucks, brought to Darling Harbor.
- 15:41But by 1,908, that figure had more than doubled to 23,829.
- 15:48And another just interesting, probably irrelevant, uh, fact is by 1,909
- 15:55there were 595, uh, trucks, carriages, whatever you call, uh, laden with wool.
- 16:02Were arriving at Darling Harbor, uh, in November, which was
- 16:07the time after the, the she.
- 16:10So there was another parliamentary inquiry.
- 16:12It was mercifully quick.
- 16:13They sat in February, 1910, and in, July, 1910, they gave the go ahead.
- 16:18So the line was built and the idea was that it would run from Darling
- 16:24Harbor and also, Glebe Island.
- 16:26Rose Hill down where it.
- 16:29Currently runs now to Dulwich Hill and join in with that line, which in
- 16:34turn to the west, fed into the big Enfield marshaling yards, out in the
- 16:39Strathfield area so they could bring all the goods traffic off the Strathfield
- 16:44central line and bring them round.
- 16:46So it was a very sensible and necessary proposal.
- 16:49And, um, because the, railway was there and of course there was a
- 16:53lot of country produce coming.
- 16:55So a lot of the industries saw this as a great opportunity to, uh, have
- 16:59their businesses and, um, uh, have the transport right beside them.
- 17:05And it's also interesting that once the railway went in both the.
- 17:09Commonwealth Department of Defense and the New South Wales, department
- 17:14of Public Works, had large depots just in the area of Charles Street
- 17:19at Lyt, between the railway and the the canal and the Commonwealth.
- 17:26depot was approved in, March, 1918, and then remained there,
- 17:32As recently as early two thousands, 2003, there was this Commonwealth Depot,
- 17:38and they were very keen to have it.
- 17:39One of the reasons was they said that it would have water access, which, could
- 17:44be terribly important in times of war.
- 17:46As indeed it was during the Second World War, and the, American forces
- 17:51made substantial use of of that area.
- 17:54during the war, and one of the side benefits of that when defense were
- 17:59there is they took over the dredging of the, the entrance to the creek and,
- 18:04and the bottom of, iron Cove because they wanted to have, make sure they
- 18:08could have all their craft landing.
- 18:09They were also proposed that it would be a very good spot for
- 18:12loading troops in barges onto boats.
- 18:16So again, there's a bit of extraordinary history, in the area.
- 18:20And, one other thing you'll see on the walk, one of the great things is they've
- 18:24got all those little explanatory signs.
- 18:26And when you get up to, near Parramatta Road and where the main central
- 18:30Strathfield line crosses, just as you go under that, have a look and
- 18:35you'll see there's this old form of a, a segment of Lattice bridge.
- 18:41and that was the original, part of the original bridge for the railway.
- 18:45And it's interesting in itself because it was an unusual method of
- 18:49construction by something called a Whipple, W-H-I-P-P-L-E, truss Bridge.
- 18:56And that was the invention of the us engineer called Squire Ripple.
- 19:02Whipple rather, fantastic man.
- 19:04He sounds like some English Noble.
- 19:07and it was very unusual at the time when they chose that because obviously
- 19:11inevitably they always used to favor the English, systems of construction.
- 19:16But the advantage of the Whipple Bridge was said to be that it was lighter.
- 19:21Consumed less steel, and was more graceful and, I think they're right.
- 19:27Stop and have a look at it.
- 19:28It's a very, quite an interesting pattern, you know, when you look
- 19:31at it against the sky and, it was in fact in operational till 1993.
- 19:38And, when they removed the bridge, the railways department agreed to leave a span
- 19:43precisely so that it could be on exhibit.
- 19:45And now they've got the path there and, and all has explode As I mentioned,
- 19:50because the, rail line was there, a lot of industries, especially ones depending
- 19:54on agricultural matters, a a agricultural products, set up along the goods line.
- 20:01And here's just a list of some of the industries that sprung up beside the.
- 20:07The Lewisham Freezing Works in 1924.
- 20:10Lavender and Hudson in 1924.
- 20:13Sounds like a perfume business.
- 20:15Sanitarium Health Foods.
- 20:17Our Wheat Bits, mgo SCO Flour Mill in 1920 and that's still there.
- 20:22It's now been turned into a very nice residential, multi-use complex.
- 20:27Some of the old Conical Towers, I can't think of the name are still there.
- 20:31Mgo Scott's a wonderful, wonderful sounding name, but I
- 20:34couldn't find anything about him.
- 20:36The some mentioned that there was a Mgo Scott, but there we go.
- 20:41Next, the great Western milling company.
- 20:43In 1916, the city council, that'd be the Sydney City Council's coal Sid.
- 20:50It'll be an interesting story in itself.
- 20:521917, Sydney Williams engineering company he was associated with the other business.
- 20:59That was 1920 and the come work Come works and I, Sydney Williams
- 21:04was involved in Comet Windmills.
- 21:07They were founded in 1925.
- 21:11There was also CanDos Cement.
- 21:15Sury sightings.
- 21:16Well, what assumes that, uh, that had something to do, presumably
- 21:21with me and interesting.
- 21:22The, the government abattoir used to be at, at blue Points.
- 21:26but it was moved to, home Bush many years ago.
- 21:30And of course, ultimately it was there until it was used for the Olympic Park.
- 21:35And finally there was the Dulwich Hill Goods Yard.
- 21:39So enormous, number of industries, but the, and you can have a look
- 21:45at the science about them all, but.
- 21:47one I just wanna mention is, is the Comet Windmill factory because,
- 21:52it, it's a very interesting story.
- 21:53Uh, windmills aren't all that common these days, but certainly when I was
- 21:57young, there were windmills everywhere and most of them were comets on the tail.
- 22:02The tail blade, that you'd always have the comment.
- 22:05And I saw an interesting fact.
- 22:07windmills, all the windmills scattered around the state.
- 22:09Were capable of raising 200,000 gallons of water a day.
- 22:15It's an extraordinary, uh, extraordinary figure.
- 22:18So Comet was founded, in Rockhampton actually in 1879, but in 1920 they set
- 22:25up their factory in Sydney and it was a big factory, 2.5 acres, in Dulwich Hill.
- 22:31And it was very fortunate they were there because when the second World War
- 22:34came, they were pressed into service and instead of windmills, or they would've
- 22:39made a few, they were manufacturing tanks, parts for armored carriers.
- 22:44And still framed army huts.
- 22:47And there is a bit of a, a one of those informative plaques there.
- 22:51It's worth having a look at.
- 22:53And the works were there until 2002.
- 22:56So it was a very example of, of renewable energy use in a very early time.
- 23:01And it's just a bit sad that, we didn't pursue something in which
- 23:07we had a lot of, knowledge and, uh.
- 23:09We're ahead of the times there, but there it goes.
- 23:11But the company still exists.
- 23:13It's got a facility manufacturing in, in Maxville on the North coast and
- 23:18they still do a lot of manufacturing to do with renewable energy.
- 23:23there's only two other things I'll mention time's marching on.
- 23:25Amazing how it does.
- 23:27Um, as you get down a bit further, almost to the end, near Dulwich Hill, look on the
- 23:31right, if you're going south and there's a little area, it's quite green and you'll
- 23:34hear frogs creaking, which is wonderful.
- 23:37And it's a bit of, it's the remnant of a creek, which used to be a tributary To the
- 23:41Cooks River, and I assume it, this must be the only bit that's left, not in a pipe,
- 23:46but, and good on the council's endeavoring to rehabilitate it as best they can.
- 23:51It's a very commendable exercise and obviously they're having some success.
- 23:57I'm gonna give one plug here, which I normally wouldn't do, but can
- 24:01I just say that, the MGO Scott.
- 24:04Mill, uh, just near there on the eastern side.
- 24:08The left side is heading south.
- 24:10Uh, there's a very pleasant little cafe.
- 24:11It's about halfway.
- 24:13And we called in there and I must say they had the best ham and cheese Swiss
- 24:18pancakes that you could ever eat.
- 24:20So very nice people.
- 24:22So a bit of a plug for them.
- 24:24And, a great spot just to, to have a break.
- 24:28So that's it.
- 24:30as I said, they're not terribly, scenic, but very interesting.
- 24:34Great exercise.
- 24:35If six kilometers isn't enough, you can just walk back.
- 24:39you can get the light rail.
- 24:40It's all these advantages and if you want to continue on, there's
- 24:43one thing I forgot to mention about the Cooks River or two things.
- 24:48the first is that if you, get to the end of the Cooks River at the Princess
- 24:52Highway, near Tempe House Crossover.
- 24:55You go past the, the, rowing club I've mentioned, and you keep walking.
- 25:00Say you're heading out to Botany Bay now, there's no clear path there.
- 25:03You've just gotta find your own way.
- 25:05It's not hard to do, but what you'll come across when you get near the, you're on
- 25:10the south side of the Cooks River, you're near the end of the East West runway.
- 25:14there's in fact this spot that time forgot.
- 25:16There's all these little market gardens and it's just quite extraordinary.
- 25:20It's developed all around, but there's these small areas of market gardens.
- 25:23Now it's about four years since I've been there, but someone mentioned
- 25:27to me the other day, it's still there and it's worth looking.
- 25:30and just finally, when you.
- 25:32Stop at the D Hill station, but I suggest you just walk down.
- 25:36It's only a couple of kilometers to the river.
- 25:39And as you get near the river, there's a very wonderful line of
- 25:42paper bugs, very old paper bugs.
- 25:44And there's a good explanatory sign there.
- 25:47It's worth having a look at.
- 25:49But what it says is those.
- 25:51Paper, were originally on the edge of the Cooks River, so you get a
- 25:55sense of how big the river was.
- 25:56And I checked on it, and in fact had, this is before it was diverted for the airport.
- 26:01It had quite a delta and apparently there was a, an incredible forest there at
- 26:06the, the entrance of, of the Cooks River.
- 26:09So you can imagine, what a wonderful.
- 26:12place It would've been for the Gadigal peoples who were the, people who lived
- 26:18in that area before we all turned up.
- 26:23There it is, enough for me.
- 26:24The little fact of the day, uh, is just something that took my fancy a bit.
- 26:29I I never really knew much about St.
- 26:32George, uh, the Saints.
- 26:34I knew the flag of England was the Red Cross of St. George.
- 26:38but as you probably heard, people get excited and think it's important to wrap.
- 26:45The flag of St. George around buildings and poles.
- 26:48but as someone pointed out, someone better explain something to them because
- 26:51a lot of it is sort of anti-immigration, but I don't wanna go into all that.
- 26:56But, someone said, well, someone should point out to them in fact, that St.
- 27:00George was a gentleman born in Turkey and he, in fact never set foot in England.
- 27:06and, he became the saint because.
- 27:09The, the legend, the, the learning about him came back with the crusaders from the,
- 27:15from the, middle East when they returned.
- 27:18But the other interesting thing is, is that, amongst the cities that,
- 27:23that claim, St. George as their patron saint is Moscow and be Beirut.
- 27:29Probably two places you wouldn't wanna visit.
- 27:31And countries apart from England, such as Portugal, Bosner, Hertz,
- 27:36Govia, Bulgaria, Georgia, Ukraine, Malta, Ethiopia, Catalan, and Aragon.
- 27:41So there you go.
- 27:42People should perhaps learn a bit of history before they get
- 27:45carried away with about things.
- 27:47Well, that's it.
- 27:47I've gone far too long.
- 27:49thanks for listening.
- 27:50Until next time, keep rambling, keep exercising, choose to be
- 27:54happy, and until next time.