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Sharri | 20 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanya, who admonishes Albinizi
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Speaker 3: for appeasing terrorists and for failing to confront the antisemitism crisis.
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Speaker 3: Michalia Cash and Dave Sharma will be on the show
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Speaker 3: to give their views. Also tonight, captured on camera the
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Speaker 3: moment a woman was the victim of a daylight carjacking
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Speaker 3: in Melbourne. This Victorian crime wave is out of control.
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Speaker 3: More on that later, Plus Donald Trump says ending the
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Speaker 3: war in Ukraine could help him get to heaven.
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Speaker 1: I want to try and get to heaven if possible.
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing I'm not doing well well.
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Speaker 3: It might be easier for him to get God's approval
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Speaker 3: than the left wing media's. But first tonight Israeli Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister Benjamin Netanya, who has penned a blistering letter to
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Speaker 3: Anthony Albanesi over his recognition of a Palestinian state and
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Speaker 3: his failure to confront antisemitism. This right here is the
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Speaker 3: explosive letter Netinahu sent to Albanzi two days ago, where
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Speaker 3: in the strongest possible language, he tells him he's pouring
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Speaker 3: fuel on the anti Semitic fire. Now. I obtained a
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Speaker 3: leaked copy of this letter last night from a good
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Speaker 3: source after I got off air, and yes, it is
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Speaker 3: strongly worded, but it's a letter that had to be sent.
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Speaker 3: It's a message that needs to be delivered that Albanesi
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Speaker 3: and his ministers need to hear. In the letter, Netiya
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Speaker 3: who writes that following Hamasa's savage attack on the people
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Speaker 3: of Israel on October seven, pro Harmas extremists and left
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Speaker 3: wing radicals began a campaign of intimidation, vandalism and violence
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Speaker 3: against Jews across the free world. In Australia, that campaign
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Speaker 3: has intensified under your watch, so he said that to Albanesi.
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Speaker 3: He also outlined several recent incidents of anti Semitism that
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Speaker 3: have plagued Australia, and he pointed out that since Albanesi
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Speaker 3: publicly stated he'd vote to recognize the Palestinian state, this
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Speaker 3: will only intensify. Nettnahu wrote in June, vandals defaced a
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Speaker 3: historic Melbourne synagogue with graffiti praising Iran and calling to
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Speaker 3: free Palestine. In July, arsonists targeted the East Melbourne Hebrew
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Speaker 3: Congregation during Shabbat dinner, forcing twenty worshipers to flee for
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Speaker 3: their lives. That same night, masked rioters stormed in Israeli
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Speaker 3: owned restaurant in central Melbourne, destroying property, hurling furniture and
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Speaker 3: shouting death to the idf. These are not isolated incidents,
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Speaker 3: this is an epidemic. Nettiyaho went on to tell Alban
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Speaker 3: EASi that his call for a Palestinian state only palls
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Speaker 3: fuel on this fire. He writes, it is not diplomacy,
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Speaker 3: it is appeasement. It rewards Hermas. Terror hardens Hermus's refusal
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Speaker 3: to free the hostages, emboldens those who menace Australian Jews,
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Speaker 3: and encourages the Jew hatred now stalking your streets. The
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Speaker 3: Israeli Prime minister appointed to United States President Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: as the example for confronting antisemitism and not allowing racial
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Speaker 3: hatred to flourish and nettingnaw Who implores alban EASi to
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Speaker 3: follow Trump's lead and take decisive action. Again in the letter,
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Speaker 3: he writes, as President Trump has shown antisemitism can and
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Speaker 3: must be fronted. The President is protecting the civil rights
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Speaker 3: of American Jews, enforcing the law, protecting public order, and
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Speaker 3: prosecuting anti Semitic crimes. He has also deported Hermas sympathizers
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Speaker 3: and revoke the visas of foreign students who incite violence
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Speaker 3: against Jews. And Nadignja, who sets a date in about
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Speaker 3: a month's time by which he urges Albanezi to act
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Speaker 3: on this crisis. He writes, Prime Minister, anti Semitism is
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Speaker 3: a cancer. It spreads when leaders stay silent. It retreats
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Speaker 3: when leaders act. I call upon you to replace weakness
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Speaker 3: with action, appeasement with resolve, and to do so by
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Speaker 3: a clear date the Jewish New Year, September twenty third. Nadiya,
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Speaker 3: who ended he's personally signed letter with this final comment.
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Speaker 3: He said history, I will not forgive hesitation, it will
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Speaker 3: honor action. Now I got hold of this latter just
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Speaker 3: a few hours after Nadiya, who had publicly blasted Albanesi
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Speaker 3: on social media, calling him correctly, a weak politician who'd
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Speaker 3: abandoned Australian Jews. Now Here was Albanesi's response today to
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Speaker 3: this gathing attack.
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Speaker 4: Well, I treat leaders of other countries with respect. I
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Speaker 4: engage with them in a diplomatic way. I contacted Prime
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Speaker 4: Minister net Yahoo and met with him over the phone.
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Speaker 4: I don't take these things personally. I engage with people.
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Speaker 4: Diplomakers had similar things to say about other leaders.
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Speaker 3: Well, he should take this personally. This is all down
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Speaker 3: to him and how he has acted personally as a
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Speaker 3: leader since October seven. He also must know that voters
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Speaker 3: view him as weak. But Albaneze tried to stay above
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Speaker 3: the freight, and instead he had his attack dog, Tony
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Speaker 3: Burke hit back, and as if to prove Netdeyahu's point,
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Speaker 3: Tony Burke made further inflammatory and false accusations against Israel.
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Speaker 3: Burke is now firmly citing and even parroting propaganda from
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Speaker 3: the terrorist controlled hotspot instead of trusting our democratic ally.
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Speaker 5: Strength is not measured by how many people you can
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Speaker 5: blow up or how many children you can leave Hungary.
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Speaker 5: Strength is much better measured by exactly what Prime Minister
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Speaker 5: Anthony Alberizi has done.
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Speaker 3: That right there is Hamas talking points and Shadow Foreign
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Speaker 3: Affairs Minister Michaylia Cash said it was the most disgusting
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Speaker 3: comment she's ever hurt.
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Speaker 6: I think despite his calm and measured tome this morning,
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Speaker 6: they were possibly some of the most disgusting comments I
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Speaker 6: have ever heard come out all a minister in a government.
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Speaker 3: And Michaylia Cash is just a few minutes away on
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Speaker 3: this show. But this is a fight. Tony Burke, Alban
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Speaker 3: Easy and Penny Wong want they will love this the
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Speaker 3: chance to openly attack Israel. But what we're seeing now
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Speaker 3: is genuinely dangerous language from Tony Burke. He must know
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Speaker 3: that by wrongly accusing Israel of just blowing people up
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Speaker 3: and leaving children hungry, which to be clear, it is
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Speaker 3: not doing, he's fueling hatred against Jews in Australia. And
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Speaker 3: this was the entire point of Nattiyahu's letter, of his message.
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Speaker 3: This government is pouring fuel on the anti Semitism fire.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 3: Kosa said something in that ABC interview that gives you
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Speaker 3: an insight into the mindset of this government that they
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Speaker 3: would like to censor the media and the Internet if
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Speaker 3: they could.
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Speaker 5: And I also have a view that words can be bullets. Now,
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Speaker 5: I can't stop what comes into people through news shows.
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Speaker 5: I can't stop what reaches people over the Internet. But
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Speaker 5: I do have a personal responsibility as to whether or
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Speaker 5: not Australia formally holds out a welcome matt to people
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Speaker 5: with extreme views and says come and express them here.
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Speaker 3: Tony Berg then claimed that Palestinians must be feeling invisible.
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Speaker 5: But to say to the Palestinian people, who at the
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Speaker 5: moment must be feeling so invisible to the world, to
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Speaker 5: say you are not invisible, We see you, we will
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Speaker 5: recognize you.
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Speaker 3: Is he areas There has never never been so much
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Speaker 3: media attention an activism on behalf of any people as
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Speaker 3: there has been for the Palestinians invisible. I'll tell you
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Speaker 3: who's feeling invisible. Australian Jews are feeling invisible because this
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Speaker 3: pro Palestinian Albanesi government clearly doesn't care at all about
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Speaker 3: Australian Jews, only about Palestinians far away in Gaza. Now,
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Speaker 3: Jewish leader Alex Richan today you probably have heard this.
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Speaker 3: He said that, in his opinion, Netanya, who shouldn't have
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Speaker 3: criticized Albanisi in this public and personal way.
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Speaker 8: No one wins from this sort of an exchange, from
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Speaker 8: these sorts of public trading of barbs and insults. Certainly
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Speaker 8: not the Israelis, not the Australian public, and definitely not
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Speaker 8: the strain Jewish communities. If the Prime Minister of Israel
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Speaker 8: wishes to make his views known to the Prime Minister
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Speaker 8: in a robust fashion. Our Prime minister here can handle it,
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Speaker 8: no doubt, but doing so on Twitter in that way
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Speaker 8: I think is unacceptable. And I've seen some remarks by
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Speaker 8: Tony Burke in response to the Prime Minister this morning
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Speaker 8: which are totally out of line as well.
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Speaker 3: Now I'm good friends with Alex and I understand his perspective.
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Speaker 3: I wish Australia and Israel were close allies and we
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Speaker 3: didn't have to hear constant criticism from the Australian government
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Speaker 3: of the Jewish nation which is fueling hatred and violence
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Speaker 3: towards Jews. But I have a different view. It's not
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Speaker 3: Israel that has caused these tensions, quite the opposite. Israel
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Speaker 3: continued to be a good friend of Australia and it's
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Speaker 3: Australia that has walked away and betrayed its long standing ally.
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Speaker 3: It's a bit like a battered wife syndrome. How much
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Speaker 3: abuse is Israel expected to take from Australia before it
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Speaker 3: stands up for itself, before it calls out what is
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Speaker 3: going on here in Australia Under the Albany government, now
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Speaker 3: Australia's longest serving foreign minister Alexander Downer told Mark Levy
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Speaker 3: this morning on two GB that Albanese's foreign policy position
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Speaker 3: was utterly wrong, and Downer didn't blame Israel for a
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Speaker 3: moment for calling it out.
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Speaker 2: Apparently we're taking the cudgels to Israel as it struggles
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Speaker 2: to fight an existential war and falling entirely for Hamas propaganda.
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Speaker 2: And it is weak. But it's very weak of the
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Speaker 2: Australian government because they're just responding to domestic politics. It's
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Speaker 2: such a shock. I mean, Bob Hawke, Paul keating former
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Speaker 2: labor leaders, not to mention the Liberal leaders over the
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Speaker 2: years have always been strong, resolute supporters of Israel. And
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Speaker 2: this is the first time in living memory that an
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Speaker 2: Australian government has sided with people who want to destroy Israel.
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Speaker 3: And here's another point. As the leader of the only
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Speaker 3: Jewish nation in the world, I believe Nedinnaho is right
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Speaker 3: to publicly defend Australian Jews. Who else is speaking out
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Speaker 3: for us. Albanezi still hasn't adopted any of the recommendations
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Speaker 3: from our Sky News Antisemitism summit held back in February,
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Speaker 3: nor from Anti Semitism Envoy Gillian Siegel's report. That report
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Speaker 3: seems to be on ice. Australian Jews are in deep distress,
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Speaker 3: and Israel's response gives comfort to many in the community.
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Speaker 3: At least one world leader understands what we're going through.
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Speaker 3: They see what Australia is dealing with with this prime minister,
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Speaker 3: and United States President Donald Trump now knows full well
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Speaker 3: what's going on as well. He can see exactly what's
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Speaker 3: happening now. The Albanese government's hostilities began well before October seven,
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Speaker 3: and Natiya, who is only responding in a direct way. Now,
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Speaker 3: any self respecting nation would do exactly the same. Okay,
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Speaker 3: big show coming up, a lot to get to, but
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Speaker 3: now let's bring in shadowfone Affairs Minister Mikhalia Cash. Michalia,
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Speaker 3: thank you very much for your time. Do you agree
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Speaker 3: with the sentiments expressed by Natanya who in his letter
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Speaker 3: to Albanizi that he's a weak politician who is appeasing terrorists.
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Speaker 6: Well, yes I do, and the direct evidence is there.
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Speaker 6: Mister Alberanizi has indeed rewarded the terrorists from US who
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Speaker 6: butchered and slaughtered Israelis on October The Sea twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 6: and in fact he's given them what they themselves I
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Speaker 6: have described as the fruits of October seven. Shari, I
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Speaker 6: have a very simple principle. You don't reward terrorists, and
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Speaker 6: that is exactly what our Prime minister, mister Albanizi has done.
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Speaker 9: It is a disgrace.
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Speaker 3: There have been attempts to blame that in Yahoo today
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Speaker 3: for the tense relationship. The way shouldn't is a respond
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Speaker 3: to more than two years of hostile foreign policy and
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Speaker 3: ratoric from the Albanese government. Well, Shari, I've.
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Speaker 6: Been asking myself this question, how do you get to
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Speaker 6: a state in Australia where diplomatic relations with one of
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Speaker 6: our closest allies, Israel actually implodes? I mean, this happens
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Speaker 6: to be the situation. Israel is a democratic nation that
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Speaker 6: is fighting for its very existence against terrorists whose sole
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Speaker 6: aim is to wipe them off the planet. And yet
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Speaker 6: the same terrorists are actually delighting in what our prime
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Speaker 6: minister is saying, and indeed they are praising him. I mean,
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Speaker 6: mister Alberizi has a lot of explaining to do in
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Speaker 6: terms of a how he has managed to destroy a
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Speaker 6: relationship with a close democratic ally, but b what is
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Speaker 6: he going to do shari to get this relationship back
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Speaker 6: on track?
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Speaker 8: Why?
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Speaker 6: Because ultimately this is a long and enduring relationship. We've
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Speaker 6: stood together now for decades and decades and decades, going
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Speaker 6: back to the Battle of Beersheva.
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Speaker 3: But more than that, Israel.
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Speaker 6: And Australia share intelligence and as you'd know, in twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 6: Israel assisted Australia in thwarting a terrorist operation when a
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Speaker 6: plane was going to take off from Sydney Airport and
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Speaker 6: potentially kill hundreds of Australians. The assistance that the Israeli
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Speaker 6: government gave us meant that we're able to thwart that
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Speaker 6: terrorist operation. So look, I shake my head. The israelis
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Speaker 6: the democratic nation. Our relationship has imploded. The terrorists who
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Speaker 6: are killing people are praising mister Alberanesi. I mean, mister
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Speaker 6: Albernesi has a lot to answer for. But in particular,
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Speaker 6: how do we now get this relationship back on track.
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Speaker 3: I just don't believe it is going to get back
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Speaker 3: on track under this government. I think it will in
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Speaker 3: the future under a different government. But I mean, you
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Speaker 3: look at Tony Burke, pro Palestinian activist for over a
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Speaker 3: decade and in the Albinizi pro Palestinian activist for more
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Speaker 3: than two decades, So it was always going to end
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Speaker 3: up like this. You know, I don't want to say
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Speaker 3: I've been winning everyone, but I have for years, since
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty two. This is always where it was going
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Speaker 3: to end up, because they are just at least in
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Speaker 3: their adult years, lifelong activists. I want to ask you
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Speaker 3: about these comments though, that Tony Burke made today. I mean,
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Speaker 3: he ignored the point of Nadiyahu's letter and then he
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Speaker 3: continued to, in the worst way possible, demonies Israel today,
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Speaker 3: claiming it was just bombing civilians and starving children. Here
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Speaker 3: was that shocking Let's play that shocking comment again.
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Speaker 5: Strength is not measured by how many people you can.
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Speaker 3: Blow up, Mikayliae Cash. Is this her Musk propaganda from
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Speaker 3: the Home Affairs Minister.
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Speaker 6: All Her Musk would certainly welcome the comments by the
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Speaker 6: Home Affairs Minister. I mean, without a doubt he was
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Speaker 6: playing to a domestic audience. They were disgusting, they were deplorable,
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Speaker 6: they were reckless, and quite frankly, they have done nothing
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Speaker 6: to calm the fears of the Jewish community in Australia.
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Speaker 6: In relation to the rising anti Semitism. I mean, this
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Speaker 6: is what Tony Burke as a minister has done. He
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Speaker 6: has said on the record now that Israeli democratic ally,
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Speaker 6: that it's fighting for its life against terrorists whose one
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Speaker 6: objective in life is to wipe them off the face
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Speaker 6: of this earth. He has now said they measure their
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Speaker 6: strength by the number of people that they kill and
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Speaker 6: the number of children that they starve. That is just
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Speaker 6: an absolute disgrace when they're fighting for their life. But
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Speaker 6: you see, Tony Burke, Sharry has also forgotten this Jumas
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Speaker 6: are the terrorists. They are actually the one who butcher
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Speaker 6: and slaughter people. But he also forgot this important point
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Speaker 6: which you and I are prepared to say. Hamas use
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Speaker 6: their own people, the Palestinians, women and children as human shields.
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Speaker 6: In other words, the terror arrists kill their own people.
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Speaker 6: And yet Tony Burke has the audacity to make those
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Speaker 6: comments about Israel. But Shari, you make a good point
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Speaker 6: about the Prime minister. Where's the Prime Minister asking mister
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Speaker 6: Burke to apologize? And in fact, I would have thought
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Speaker 6: that Tony Burke's now had over twelve hours to reflect
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Speaker 6: on those comments, and I would have thought he should
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Speaker 6: have come to the conclusion that, given the seriousness of
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Speaker 6: what he has now alleged against Israel, he would actually
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Speaker 6: be apologizing both to the Israeli people but also to
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Speaker 6: Australian Jews who don't feel safe under this government exactly.
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Speaker 3: And his comments are just at playing wrong. Israel is
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Speaker 3: delivering the aid. The proof is there, absolutely, and that's
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Speaker 3: not distributing enough of it and harmas that's still and.
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Speaker 6: Tamas who are taking it exactly Kamasa taking it for
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Speaker 6: their own people exactly.
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Speaker 3: PTEs GISTs about how this could affect Alia's relations with
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Speaker 3: the United States. Do you think Albin Easy could be
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Speaker 3: risking Australia's alliance with the United States by antagonizing Israel
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Speaker 3: in this way because this is also about America's security
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Speaker 3: interests and the way America votes at the United Nations.
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, I think you've already had credible commentators
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Speaker 6: in our saying that Australia is slipping from a first
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Speaker 6: tier ally of the United States to a third tier ally.
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Speaker 6: I would argue that that unfortunately started occurring some time ago,
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Speaker 6: well before the decisions in relation to the recognition of
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Speaker 6: a Palestinian state, while the terrorists are Hamas are still
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Speaker 6: in charge of Gaza and Israeli hostages are still being
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Speaker 6: held in the tunnels. But I mean these types of
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Speaker 6: comments should actually start to really worry Australians because when
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Speaker 6: you no longer have a good reputation in Washington that
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Speaker 6: has a direct impact on our security the United States,
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Speaker 6: Australia or the Australia US Alliance Shari, that is the
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Speaker 6: bedrock of our security as a country. Who do people
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Speaker 6: think we're picking up the phone to when it all
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Speaker 6: goes wrong? So I think mister Alberanisi is in very
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Speaker 6: very dangerous territory when it comes to turning away from
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Speaker 6: the United States. Yes, it does put Australia's national security
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Speaker 6: ultimately at risk. I mean that's more than evident with
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Speaker 6: the fact that he still hasn't been able to get
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Speaker 6: a face to face meeting with the President of the
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Speaker 6: United States.
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Speaker 3: What more do we need. It's an absolute disgrace, it
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Speaker 3: really is. I mean it's sticking up to close to
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Speaker 3: ten months since he was elected. It really is a disgrace.
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Speaker 3: Michadia Cash, thanks so much, Thank you so much for
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Speaker 3: appreciate it. All Right, let's turn out to the Governments
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Speaker 3: around table. I am going to come back to that topic,
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Speaker 3: by the way, a bit later with Graham Richardson and
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Speaker 3: Dave Sharma. But now let's turn to the Economic Roundtable.
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Speaker 3: And Treasurer Jim Chalmers open today's productivity section of the
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Speaker 3: agenda by talking about some of the key points that
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Speaker 3: we're in that leaked Treasury brief.
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Speaker 10: They identified four reasons why we don't have the productivity
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Speaker 10: we need in our economy yet. Firstly, it's not dynamic
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Speaker 10: or innovative enough. Secondly, we haven't got that capital deepening
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Speaker 10: that we talked about in some detail yesterday. Thirdly, we're
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Speaker 10: not doing as good a job as we can matching
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Speaker 10: skills with opportunities, again a big focus of yesterday, but
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Speaker 10: also our changing industrial base and particularly the growth in
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Speaker 10: services has made productivity gains harder to measure but also
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Speaker 10: harder to find for analysis.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is AMP Chief Economist Shane Oliver. Shane,
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Speaker 3: thank you very much for your time. One of the
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Speaker 3: main takeaways from today's meeting is reform of the superannuation
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Speaker 3: fund performance test. Now the ACTU put this on the
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Speaker 3: table yesterday. They said the current model acts as a
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Speaker 3: disincentive to super funds from investing in housing and green energy. Now,
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Speaker 3: the Treasurer told around table he'll consider adjusting the superannuation
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Speaker 3: test in order to drive more investment in housing in
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Speaker 3: net zero. Shane, can you explain exactly what this reform
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Speaker 3: would be and also do you think it has merit?
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Speaker 3: Do you think that's what we need? More super funds
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Speaker 3: in investing in net zero willout drive productivity?
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Speaker 11: Well, not on its own. I think there is an
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Speaker 11: issue with the performance test, which was introduced four years
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Speaker 11: ago to weed out underperforming super funds and also help
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Speaker 11: lower fees. So in that sense it's been good, but
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Speaker 11: it also has the effect of, I guess, hurting superannuation
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Speaker 11: funds together to adopt the same strategies so they don't
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Speaker 11: take any risks, in other words, risk failing the performance test.
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Speaker 9: If you can relax that a little bit, then you can.
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Speaker 11: Encourage super funds to invest more in investments that may
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Speaker 11: take longer to bear fruit. I don't just mean clean
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Speaker 11: energy or housing. I'd also refer to private equity, startup
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Speaker 11: companies and so on.
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Speaker 9: That's where I think.
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Speaker 11: The Treasurer they're referred to the Treasury statement about a
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Speaker 11: lack of innovation and dynamism in the Australian economy. If
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Speaker 11: super funds can be encouraged or given the flexibility to
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Speaker 11: invest more in startup a venture capital sort of stuff,
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Speaker 11: then I think that would also go some way to
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Speaker 11: help boost productivity. But of course it's not the main game,
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Speaker 11: but it's certainly one big factor in this puzzle.
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Speaker 3: Well, looking at the main game, what do you think
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Speaker 3: is the best idea to come out of this roundtable
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Speaker 3: so far out of the first two days.
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Speaker 11: Well, so far, I'd have to say it's around regulation,
24:45
Speaker 11: a streamlining it that I think was the focus today.
24:49
Speaker 11: That's an area where we've had a major problem over
24:51
Speaker 11: the last few years. I sort of agree with the
24:54
Speaker 11: Productivity Commissioner. Commissioner and I've long long thought this that
24:58
Speaker 11: in Australia we seem to have this mentality that whenever
25:01
Speaker 11: a problem is identified, we think, well, how can government
25:04
Speaker 11: fix that with regulation, or how can government fix that
25:07
Speaker 11: with more government spending. And that's been the track that
25:10
Speaker 11: we've been on for many years now, and we're paying
25:12
Speaker 11: the price for that. So we can get rid of
25:15
Speaker 11: a lot of that regulation. The classic example, of course
25:18
Speaker 11: is that it now takes fifty percent longer to build
25:20
Speaker 11: a home, whether it's a unit or a standalone house,
25:23
Speaker 11: than it did ten years ago. That's a national disgrace. Yes,
25:27
Speaker 11: we need good regulation there, but not to the point
25:29
Speaker 11: that it makes our housing crisis even worse than it is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, indeed, an approval processes seem to take even longer.
25:38
Speaker 3: As you were just talking about now you just mentioned
25:40
Speaker 3: government spending. Well, there was a rival round table today
25:44
Speaker 3: which was organized by Matt Canavan. Ross Greenwood was hosting it.
25:48
Speaker 3: We're broadcasted here on Sky News, and I just want
25:51
Speaker 3: to play you a comment that the former Productivity Commission
25:54
Speaker 3: Chair Gary Banks made about spending. It this at Matt
25:58
Speaker 3: Canavan's rival table. Have a look, and.
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Speaker 6: The government's productivity agenda is mainly a spending agenda.
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Speaker 9: Indeed, you could see a spending more agenda.
26:09
Speaker 3: So, Shane, does government spending need to be addressed, as
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Speaker 3: Gary Banks says.
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Speaker 9: Look, it certainly does. It's gone out of control in
26:18
Speaker 9: recent years.
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Speaker 11: We had that surge through the pandemic that was a
26:22
Speaker 11: special situation. It then comes back under control, and over
26:25
Speaker 11: the last few years it's blown out again to the
26:27
Speaker 11: point that a federal government spending is sort of running
26:30
Speaker 11: around or heading towards around twenty seven percent of GDP,
26:34
Speaker 11: well up from its pre COVID average which was below
26:36
Speaker 11: twenty five percent. Likewise, when you look at total federal, state,
26:40
Speaker 11: and local government spending, it's also surged by around four
26:43
Speaker 11: or five percentage points of GDP. So, in other words,
26:46
Speaker 11: the public sector is taking up more of the resources
26:50
Speaker 11: in the economy, whether that's capital or labor, and of
26:53
Speaker 11: course that crowds out private sector activity. And we know
26:57
Speaker 11: that private sector activity is more productive in growing our
27:00
Speaker 11: living standards.
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Speaker 9: That public sector activity is.
27:03
Speaker 11: So it is part of the issue here, and I'm
27:05
Speaker 11: a little bit surprised that it hasn't got as much coverage.
27:08
Speaker 11: Hopefully it will maybe in the next day. But if
27:11
Speaker 11: we want to get our budget deficit under control on
27:14
Speaker 11: a sustained basis, and if we want to boost productivity
27:17
Speaker 11: on a sustained basis, we need to get the government
27:20
Speaker 11: out of the way wind back government spending. Yes, there's
27:23
Speaker 11: priority areas, but if we're going to spend on those
27:26
Speaker 11: things like more on defense or age care and so on,
27:29
Speaker 11: we have to find other areas where we need to
27:31
Speaker 11: wind back that spending.
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Speaker 9: So I totally agree with Gary Banks on this.
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Speaker 3: Look, I'll be very surprised if it is on the
27:38
Speaker 3: agenda tomorrow. I don't think the government wants to talk
27:40
Speaker 3: about cutting its own programs. It just likes to find
27:44
Speaker 3: other things to spend money on. It seems that's right, Shane,
27:48
Speaker 3: really appreciate your time. Thank you. Now, just a couple
27:51
Speaker 3: of things before we go to the break. You may
27:53
Speaker 3: remember earlier this year a Brisbane mother was given the
27:57
Speaker 3: shocking news that the child she'd given earth too was
28:01
Speaker 3: not biologically hers. There'd been a mix up at the
28:04
Speaker 3: IVF clinic. And then there was another similar mix up,
28:08
Speaker 3: this one in Melbourne where the wrong embryo was mistakenly
28:12
Speaker 3: implanted into a different woman. Now, Monash IVF launched an
28:17
Speaker 3: independent review into both of these incidents. Today we find
28:21
Speaker 3: out the news. They concluded that the Brisbane incident was
28:24
Speaker 3: the result of human error. However, Monash has refused to
28:29
Speaker 3: publicly release the report to explain precisely what went wrong.
28:34
Speaker 3: So this is a mother giving birth to a baby
28:36
Speaker 3: that's not biologically hers, a different embryo. Now this has
28:40
Speaker 3: shaken the confidence of many women in IVF, and in
28:44
Speaker 3: my view, the firm does need to properly explain how
28:47
Speaker 3: this happened and what they're doing to ensure it won't
28:50
Speaker 3: take place again. News today that ABC employees have been
28:58
Speaker 3: warned that they're private so media use could compromise the
29:02
Speaker 3: independence or integrity of the ABC. They've even been told
29:07
Speaker 3: that they're risking their job. The Australian reports that ABC
29:11
Speaker 3: employees could be sacked under new public comment guidelines drawn
29:16
Speaker 3: up by the Media organization. Now it hardly comes as
29:20
Speaker 3: a surprise that the ABC is introducing new guidelines on
29:24
Speaker 3: this after the Antoinette Latouf saga. But she's not the
29:28
Speaker 3: first ABC journalist to be accused of perceived bias. Remember
29:33
Speaker 3: when Laura Tingle referred to the Morrison governments and I
29:37
Speaker 3: quote ideological barstardury on social media. Now it's highly unlikely
29:44
Speaker 3: that Laura Tinger would Laura Tingle would still be working
29:47
Speaker 3: at the ABC had she made those comments under these
29:50
Speaker 3: new rules. Well still to come the moment a woman
29:55
Speaker 3: was the victim of a daylight carjacking in Melbourne. Plus,
29:59
Speaker 3: should Australian schools be renamed with Indigenous words? Dave Sharma
30:03
Speaker 3: and Graham Richardson, We'll talk about this next welcome back,
30:11
Speaker 3: and let's bring in now our panel tonight, Liberal Senator
30:14
Speaker 3: and former Ambassador to Israel Dave Sharma and labor legend
30:17
Speaker 3: Graham Richardson. Great to see you both. Look, I want
30:20
Speaker 3: to return to the top story today that Israeli Prime
30:23
Speaker 3: Minister Benjamin Netta and Ya who has written a blistering
30:26
Speaker 3: letter to Albanezi admonishing him both for recognizing a Palestinian
30:31
Speaker 3: state and for failing to act on the anti Semitism crisis.
30:35
Speaker 3: Main Richo, This might be confronting to read, but he's
30:39
Speaker 3: not wrong, is he?
30:43
Speaker 12: Well, I'm not sure. Out Look, there's a terribly difficult question,
30:48
Speaker 12: and especially for Elwow I think I'm given his antecedents
30:56
Speaker 12: and where he comes from, this is a tough always roll.
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, but I'm saying to you Netanyao, who's not wrong?
31:04
Speaker 3: Is he? I mean Albanezy hasn't confronted the antisemitism crisis?
31:10
Speaker 12: I think I think who's pretty right on this? One year?
31:15
Speaker 3: David? Is it? I mean you were Australia's top diplomat
31:19
Speaker 3: in Israel in your view? Is this the lowest point
31:22
Speaker 3: in the Israel Australia relationship? But even worse than the
31:26
Speaker 3: past spot scandal under Kevin Rudd.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think it's the worst shape I've ever seen
31:33
Speaker 13: at Sharry And I think when you've got leaders trading
31:37
Speaker 13: blows and insults and criticisms in public, I think that
31:41
Speaker 13: shows you the depths at which we've plumbed. And look,
31:47
Speaker 13: I think both sides are to blame here, both sides
31:49
Speaker 13: carrying something out.
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Speaker 9: Of the bome.
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Speaker 13: I don't think, you know, I don't think this is
31:53
Speaker 13: the right way for Prime Minister Ntano how to express himself,
31:56
Speaker 13: to write a letter which is intended to be made
31:59
Speaker 13: public and to throw round some quite incensorary charges as
32:01
Speaker 13: he has. But by the same Australian ministers, including Tony
32:06
Speaker 13: Burke just this morning, have been far too ill disciplined
32:09
Speaker 13: in their use of language and the sort of charges
32:11
Speaker 13: that they've leveled against Israel as well. And I think
32:14
Speaker 13: what we're seeing is a consequence of actions from both sides.
32:18
Speaker 3: But David, it's not really from both sides, is it.
32:20
Speaker 3: I mean, up until today it's all been one sided.
32:24
Speaker 3: Even before October seven, this government's foreign policy position towards
32:28
Speaker 3: Israel turned hostile. So you've had two and a half,
32:31
Speaker 3: if not three years of hostilities from Australia towards Israel.
32:36
Speaker 3: What's Israel just meant to sit there and take it
32:38
Speaker 3: and never respond. It is one sided. It has been
32:41
Speaker 3: one sided.
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Speaker 13: No, look, I don't agree with you there in Tyler Sherry.
32:46
Speaker 13: I think certainly this government has changed our policy approach
32:50
Speaker 13: towards Israel in ways that I fundamentally disagree with, in
32:53
Speaker 13: ways that I think are not in the national interest.
32:57
Speaker 13: But by the same token, I don't think they have
33:01
Speaker 13: gone out of their way to intervene, if you like,
33:04
Speaker 13: in Israeli domestic politics. This is a pretty clear attempt
33:08
Speaker 13: by Netanya to intervene in Australian domestic politics. You've already
33:12
Speaker 13: seen the reaction from organized parts of the Australian Jewish
33:15
Speaker 13: community saying they find this incredibly unhelpful. And I think
33:19
Speaker 13: it's going to make the position of the Jewish community,
33:22
Speaker 13: you know, it's going to compromise that position further, which
33:26
Speaker 13: I don't think that's Nettania's intention, but I think it's
33:28
Speaker 13: certainly going to be the result.
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Speaker 3: I just really have to say that I completely disagree.
33:33
Speaker 3: I think Australia couldn't have been more aggressive in its
33:36
Speaker 3: rhetoric and its foreign policy platform towards Israel, and Israel
33:41
Speaker 3: has been nothing but a friend to Australia. And you've
33:43
Speaker 3: got the one Jewish group, the ECAJ led by Alex Rifchin,
33:46
Speaker 3: who is objecting to this. But AJAK the other group
33:49
Speaker 3: led by Colin Rubinstein and Joel Bernie and others, they're
33:52
Speaker 3: not objecting to it at all. And I understand Joel
33:54
Speaker 3: Bernie's got a piece in the Daily Telegraph tomorrow. I
33:58
Speaker 3: just think it has been one sided. But rich O,
34:02
Speaker 3: you know, we sort of heard this inflammatory language from
34:05
Speaker 3: Tony Burke today. These false accusations are muss propaganda. I mean,
34:11
Speaker 3: how did it get to this point, Richo? I mean
34:13
Speaker 3: you're from the right of the Labor Party, mainstream Labor.
34:17
Speaker 3: How did it get to this point where we've got
34:19
Speaker 3: these left wing activists running our country.
34:23
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a it's a fair question. I wish I
34:27
Speaker 12: had the answer. One thing I'm well and truly aware
34:32
Speaker 12: of is that dealing with Nittanya, who isn't easy. This
34:37
Speaker 12: guy is a master of dealing with people all over
34:44
Speaker 12: the world. He's he's a star when it comes to
34:48
Speaker 12: that sort of stuff, and he's a I mean, I've
34:51
Speaker 12: had I've had enough time with him one on one
34:55
Speaker 12: to realize how how strong the personality and the character
34:59
Speaker 12: is this. This guy's no weakling. He is what he
35:03
Speaker 12: seems to be a tough guy.
35:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is, indeed, and you have to be a
35:07
Speaker 3: tough man to lead Israel when it's being attacked on
35:11
Speaker 3: seven fronts plus the international community. All right, let's turn
35:16
Speaker 3: to the NDIS. Health Minister Mark Butler has announced that
35:19
Speaker 3: he's going to reign in the NDIS after the Sydney
35:22
Speaker 3: Morning Herald revealed that almost one in six six year
35:26
Speaker 3: old boys are enrolled in the scheme. One in six
35:31
Speaker 3: boys are part of the NDIS and the Herald also
35:35
Speaker 3: reported that more than seventy one percent of new participants
35:39
Speaker 3: have entered on an autism diagnosis. So let's have a
35:42
Speaker 3: look at what Mark Butler had to say about this.
35:46
Speaker 5: Children with mild to moderate levels of developmental delay and
35:49
Speaker 5: autism should not, in my view, be on a scheme
35:53
Speaker 5: set up for permanent disability.
35:56
Speaker 3: So Dave Mirk Butler is saying that these children with
36:00
Speaker 3: mild cases of artism will now be moved across to
36:02
Speaker 3: a different scheme. It's going to be called Thriving Kids.
36:06
Speaker 3: But is this do you think this is the answer.
36:08
Speaker 3: This isn't really solving the issue, isn't it. It's just
36:11
Speaker 3: setting up another taxpay funded scheme.
36:15
Speaker 13: Well, I think that's right. That's my concern. I think
36:18
Speaker 13: that the big problem here is the growth in the NDIS.
36:21
Speaker 13: NDIS spending has been growing and I think twenty to
36:24
Speaker 13: twenty two percent over the last several years. At this rate,
36:28
Speaker 13: next year it will eclipse our entire spending on our
36:31
Speaker 13: defense forces, which is a horrifying statistic. And all the
36:37
Speaker 13: government has committed are doing is reducing the spending to
36:40
Speaker 13: eight percent annualized growth. That's still about four to five
36:43
Speaker 13: times faster than the economy is growing. It is simply
36:46
Speaker 13: not sustainable, and I think tough decisions need to be
36:48
Speaker 13: taken about eligibility, about means testing potentially, and about what
36:55
Speaker 13: sorts of conditions warrant your inclusion in this scheme, in
36:59
Speaker 13: which one's time, becausewise, the scheme will continue to grow
37:01
Speaker 13: out of control and basically eat more and more of
37:04
Speaker 13: the government budget.
37:06
Speaker 3: Richard, what do you think about this? Do you think,
37:08
Speaker 3: like Dave does, that the NDAs has to be seriously
37:11
Speaker 3: curtailed because it's just unsustainable. For our budget.
37:14
Speaker 12: I think the spending has to be rained in. You
37:19
Speaker 12: can't allow it to go on the way it is.
37:22
Speaker 12: The increases each year are getting ridiculous, so there has
37:26
Speaker 12: to be some government intervention and a change in the
37:30
Speaker 12: way we do business.
37:33
Speaker 3: Just finally, the Herald Sun reported today that new schools
37:36
Speaker 3: in Victoria are going to be given indigenous names rather
37:40
Speaker 3: than geographical ones. The move is in the name of reconciliation.
37:44
Speaker 3: We'll bring up on the screen some of the names
37:47
Speaker 3: for new schools. Dave, Is this just the case of
37:52
Speaker 3: virtue signaling or do you think this will help close
37:55
Speaker 3: the gap?
37:57
Speaker 13: No, I don't think it will help close the gap.
37:59
Speaker 13: And mean, look, I've got no problem with indigenous names
38:02
Speaker 13: and language being used, but I don't think it needs
38:04
Speaker 13: to be a uniform policy that every new school should
38:07
Speaker 13: be named after a place which most people would be
38:09
Speaker 13: unfamiliar with the meaning of that place. I think it's
38:14
Speaker 13: I think it is virtue signaling. I think it's going
38:16
Speaker 13: way too far.
38:18
Speaker 3: Rich O, what do you think.
38:19
Speaker 12: Here it is? I'm not going to sit here and
38:23
Speaker 12: try and defend that. It's just way over the top.
38:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, like so many things with a Victorian government, all right,
38:29
Speaker 3: Dave Shama rich Oh, thank you so much, really appreciate
38:31
Speaker 3: your time. Now still to come. Is Trump headed for heaven? Well,
38:36
Speaker 3: he thinks perhaps if he can solve the Russia Ukraine war,
38:39
Speaker 3: Aaron Patrick will be here to talk about it. Plus
38:42
Speaker 3: the shocking footage of a daylight carjacking in Melbourne. That's next,
38:49
Speaker 3: welcome back. Well, let's turn out to Victoria's crime wave.
38:52
Speaker 3: And here was the moment a woman became a near
38:55
Speaker 3: victim of daylight carjacking in Richmond. Amazing footage and Johnny
39:15
Speaker 3: we now is Victoria Shadow Education Minister Jess Wilson. Jess,
39:19
Speaker 3: great to see you. Look, it's great that those bystanders
39:22
Speaker 3: rushed into help. Amazing in fact, because I think too
39:25
Speaker 3: often people don't step in and help others. But the
39:28
Speaker 3: fact of the matter is this crime wave shouldn't be
39:30
Speaker 3: unfolding and it's a shock to see it in the daylight.
39:35
Speaker 3: Well that's right, Chari.
39:36
Speaker 7: We have a situation in Victoria where crime is simply
39:38
Speaker 7: out of control. It's brazen, it's violent, and the Allen
39:42
Speaker 7: Labor government is failing to take the action needed to
39:45
Speaker 7: make sure that we see these rising crime rates stalled.
39:49
Speaker 7: Even in my own Electra. Just a few days ago
39:52
Speaker 7: there was an incredibly violent attack, a home invasion in
39:55
Speaker 7: the early hours of the morning, where five offenders allegedly
39:59
Speaker 7: broke in and stabbed the father in the face, in
40:03
Speaker 7: the arms, in the eyes, terrifying that family. This is
40:07
Speaker 7: absolutely out of control here in Victoria and as a
40:10
Speaker 7: result of the Allen Labour government weakening Victoria's bail laws,
40:14
Speaker 7: failing to take the immediate action of prohibiting machetes, and
40:17
Speaker 7: unfortunately the government refuses to take control of the situation,
40:21
Speaker 7: even acknowledging we have a crisis in this state.
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Speaker 12: Mmm.
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Speaker 3: No, it's really appalling and are just going on and
40:27
Speaker 3: on and on with not enough action taking place. Jess,
40:30
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about this front page story
40:33
Speaker 3: in The Australian a few days ago, very controversial program
40:38
Speaker 3: that's being rolled out in Victorian schools where five year
40:41
Speaker 3: olds are taught ideology that their biological gender might not
40:47
Speaker 3: match their identity or what they believe is their gender.
40:53
Speaker 3: I mean, this is an incredibly complex topic for children
40:57
Speaker 3: at such a young and impressionable age five and six
41:00
Speaker 3: years old. You know, do you think does the coalition
41:04
Speaker 3: plan to counsel this program if you're in the election
41:07
Speaker 3: next year.
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Speaker 7: Well, every parent has a right to know and to
41:13
Speaker 7: take an interest in what their children are being taught
41:16
Speaker 7: in schools and a reasonable expectation Shari that that's age
41:21
Speaker 7: appropriate and we saw the government's reaction to this and
41:24
Speaker 7: the premiere should be more sensitive to the expectations of
41:30
Speaker 7: Victorian families in this space. But what I think it
41:33
Speaker 7: really does demonstrate on what we're committed to as the
41:36
Speaker 7: opposition here in Victoria is looking at a curriculum that
41:40
Speaker 7: is a mile wide at an inch deep and what
41:43
Speaker 7: it does. It tries to teach so many different topics
41:46
Speaker 7: without providing that explicit instruction to teachers and to schools
41:51
Speaker 7: about how to spend time on those foundational skills that
41:54
Speaker 7: we're seeing more and more students in Victoria fail to
41:57
Speaker 7: actually grasp. Recent Naplan data here Victoria shows that nearly
42:02
Speaker 7: a third of students are failing to meet basic proficiency
42:06
Speaker 7: standards in literacy and numeracy. That is, our education system
42:11
Speaker 7: absolutely failing students in this state. We as the coalition
42:15
Speaker 7: here in Victoria, are very very focused on how do
42:18
Speaker 7: we address that and make sure that kids in schools
42:21
Speaker 7: are being taught those foundational skills that are going to
42:24
Speaker 7: set them up for the future so when they graduate
42:26
Speaker 7: and they can go into the workforce. And unfortunately, our
42:29
Speaker 7: education system is being let down on every turn.
42:31
Speaker 3: No exactly, it can't go wrong if you focus on reading, writing,
42:35
Speaker 3: and arithmetic just before you go. The Herald Sign has
42:38
Speaker 3: reported that a former principal founder, who was found to
42:41
Speaker 3: have act acted unlawfully by the federal court by failing
42:45
Speaker 3: to protect Jewish students from serious and semitic bullying, is
42:49
Speaker 3: still on the state government payroll. So, jess, you know,
42:53
Speaker 3: one student told the court that he was spat on,
42:56
Speaker 3: told to die in an oven, and even held at
42:58
Speaker 3: nine point and yet we find out the principle is
43:01
Speaker 3: still on the payroll. Is this good enough? It's not
43:05
Speaker 3: good enough.
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Speaker 7: And I've called on the Minister for Education to explain
43:09
Speaker 7: how he thinks it's appropriate that this individual is still
43:12
Speaker 7: employed by the Department of Education and on the payroll
43:15
Speaker 7: here in Victoria. We know that antisemitism is rife in
43:19
Speaker 7: Victoria and it's spreading into our classrooms and into our schools.
43:23
Speaker 7: We've seen various reports over recent days of a student
43:26
Speaker 7: that's been forced out of the public education system here
43:28
Speaker 7: in Victoria because she's been subject to Nazis, s lutes,
43:33
Speaker 7: so swastik and graffiti. We've seen this example where antisemitism
43:37
Speaker 7: was rife at a secondary school and the leaders failed
43:39
Speaker 7: to take action, and a court has found that this
43:42
Speaker 7: is a situation that is getting out of control here
43:44
Speaker 7: in Victoria because the Premier the deputy premier are failing
43:47
Speaker 7: to actually take control of the situation. And when it's
43:50
Speaker 7: permitted in our classroom, when it festers in our classrooms,
43:53
Speaker 7: is it any wonder that it's spilling into the streets
43:56
Speaker 7: in terms of violence. We need to get a handle
43:58
Speaker 7: of antisemitism at a young age, make sure that there's
44:01
Speaker 7: education programs in place to prevent that, and ensure that
44:04
Speaker 7: Jewish genes feel safe in this state.
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Speaker 3: No, it's so important, Jess. Thank you very much for
44:08
Speaker 3: joining us. Really great to have you. Ore show right
44:12
Speaker 3: still to come. Trump edges closer to securing peace in Ukraine,
44:15
Speaker 3: but journalists still can't accept that he could be on
44:18
Speaker 3: the verge of a major victory. That's next. President Trump
44:25
Speaker 3: has made incredible progress in brokering the first face to
44:28
Speaker 3: face meeting between Putin and Zelenski, meant to happen in
44:32
Speaker 3: the next fortnight. But strangely, most media outlets seem unwilling
44:36
Speaker 3: to accept that he could be on the verge of
44:39
Speaker 3: a peace deal. Here was his Press secretary, Carolyn Levitt
44:42
Speaker 3: speaking about this today.
44:45
Speaker 14: All weekend following those historic US Russia bilateral talks, we
44:49
Speaker 14: listened to clueless pundits on television trying but failing to
44:53
Speaker 14: clean that the president had failed.
44:57
Speaker 3: And joining me now is The Nightlies chief writer Aaron Patrick.
45:00
Speaker 3: Aaron is Caroline Wright.
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Speaker 15: Let's sway and see, Shari, certainly it's heading in the
45:08
Speaker 15: right direction, but it's probably too early tonight for certain
45:12
Speaker 15: if this meaning is going to happen. But look, it
45:14
Speaker 15: looks like the President is doing everything you can to
45:17
Speaker 15: bring about peace in Ukraine. And you know, even those
45:20
Speaker 15: who dislike him, I think sort of have to acknowledge that.
45:24
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a show of I suppose unity with
45:28
Speaker 3: all the European leaders. The meeting with Zelensky was as
45:33
Speaker 3: positive as it could have been, far charmer than last time.
45:36
Speaker 3: The media were very critical of the fact that Trump
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Speaker 3: even met with Putin, but you know that if it
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Speaker 3: could lead to peace, then of course you've got to
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Speaker 3: talk to the Russian dictator.
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Speaker 15: Well, they were very critical of the president for allowing
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Speaker 15: Ladimir Putin to come to Alaska or go to Alaska
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Speaker 15: and sit down and sort of have all the cute
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Speaker 15: loss of the presidential face time.
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Speaker 9: Maybe it'll work.
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Speaker 15: Look, Donald Trump, it is an experienced, very experienced negotiator,
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Speaker 15: and he's been president before, He's had four years to
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Speaker 15: learn the job. So no, the professional the professional pundits,
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Speaker 15: particularly in foreign affairs, hated that he allowed President Putin.
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Speaker 9: To visit him.
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Speaker 15: But I do think it's too early, too early to
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Speaker 15: conclude that it's worked yet. But I think besides are
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Speaker 15: hitting direction.
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Speaker 3: A lot of difficult negotiations ahead over territory. Now. Trump
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Speaker 3: I was kind of joking about whether he might get
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Speaker 3: to heaven if he does manage to put an end
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Speaker 3: to the Russia Ukraine War. Have a look at this interview.
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Speaker 1: If I can save seven thousand people a week from
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Speaker 1: being killed, I think that's there. I want to try
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Speaker 1: and get to heaven if possible. I'm hearing I'm not
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Speaker 1: doing well. I really hit the bottom of the totem pole.
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Speaker 1: If I can get to heaven, this will be one
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Speaker 1: of the reasons.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of funny, but he wants to get to heaven,
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Speaker 3: but the ones a Nobel Peace Prize, doesn't he apparently.
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Speaker 15: Look, I think he's got a bit of a sense
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Speaker 15: of humor, which he doesn't often get credit for. And
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Speaker 15: I interviewed Foreign Ambassador Joe Hockey this week in Perth,
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Speaker 15: where I am now, and Joe said, look, he's not
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Speaker 15: a religious man, but he was profoundly affected by that
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Speaker 15: attempt on his life.
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Speaker 9: Next year.
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Speaker 15: The president is seventy nine years old, and my latest
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Speaker 15: research shows me that the average age of an American
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Speaker 15: man and his death is seventy eight and a half
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Speaker 15: years old. So I think he's feeling his mentality, and
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Speaker 15: I think he's thinking about life and the way all
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Speaker 15: of us do at the end of our lives is
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Speaker 15: what's my legacy and what have I achieved? And clearly
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Speaker 15: he wants to have a legacy of being a good
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Speaker 15: president to save people's lives. And I think that's terrible.
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Speaker 3: I think if seventy nine is still young, still got
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Speaker 3: a good couple of decades in him. Probably now, Aaron,
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Speaker 3: you just mentioned your interview with Joe Hockey, and Joe
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Speaker 3: Hockey said that Trump is the most influential US president
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Speaker 3: in a century. Can you in forty seconds, can you
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Speaker 3: tell us a bit more about this?
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Speaker 15: Well, he was comparing Donald Trump to Teddy Roosevelt, and
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Speaker 15: his argument is is that Trump's a disruptor and we're
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Speaker 15: living in a state in a disrupted world, so he
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Speaker 15: is a president fit for.
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Speaker 3: His time, Right, Aaron, really appreciate your time. Thank you
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Speaker 3: so much. And it's true. I mean, you know, we
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Speaker 3: have to look at what Trump achieves at the end
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Speaker 3: of this presidency, but his legacy, it could be profound.
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Speaker 3: We'll have to see if he can end this war.
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Speaker 3: But there's one thing for sure, it doesn't matter what
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Speaker 3: he does, he doesn't get the credit for it. He
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Speaker 3: just gets admonished by our government and other left leaning
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Speaker 3: leaders around the world. All right, that's all we've got
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Speaker 3: time for today. I'll be here tomorrow at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 3: Look forward to seeing you then and stay tuned. Right now,
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Speaker 3: here's for Murray.