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Matlala disputes offering Sibiya impalas as a present. · Drive with John Perlman

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  Speaker 1: You're with John Pullman on 702. Let's walk the talk. Right,
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  Speaker 1: let's focus our attention on the Madlanga Commission of Inquiry.
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  Speaker 1: An intriguing day today. In fact, it's been a very,
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  Speaker 1: very interesting week indeed. I suppose two things happening. The one,
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  Speaker 1: a real issue between Vusimusi Matlala's counsel, Advocate Annelien van
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  Speaker 1: den Heerfer, and one of the evidence leaders involved in
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  Speaker 1: this particular round of Madlanga hearings, Advocate Matlape Sillo. Let's
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  Speaker 1: start with that and find out what happened. Joining us
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  Speaker 1: is Tulu Toku, who is our EWN colleague who's been
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  Speaker 1: covering Madlanga over the last couple of days. Tulu, welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Annelien van den Heerfer, making allegations. Advocate Mahlape Silo responding vigorously.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say. What exactly was said?
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  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, no, I mean, John, thank you so much
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  Speaker 2: for having me. It was a very shaky start at
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  Speaker 2: the beginning of proceedings today. So advocate Annalene Fandi here,
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  Speaker 2: but really raising concerns about Vosimuzi Matlala being questioned in
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  Speaker 2: relation to a statement that was taken from Matlala on
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  Speaker 2: the 27th of March, Now, this was taken by the
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  Speaker 2: commission's investigators. And Annalene just says that they were told
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  Speaker 2: that this consultation with the commission's investigators would be off
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  Speaker 2: the records. And to her shock, and I actually quote her,
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  Speaker 2: she says she's appalled that the commission yesterday decided to
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  Speaker 2: question Madlala on this conversation. Mata Pesillo says it is
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  Speaker 2: absolutely not possible that they would have promised advocate Annalene
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  Speaker 2: van der Heve and her client that what was discussed
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  Speaker 2: on the 27th of March would have been off records,
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  Speaker 2: given that any discussions that investigators of the commission have,
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  Speaker 2: they usually use that information and put statements together and
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  Speaker 2: it would come forth as statements and that will be
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  Speaker 2: used at the commission.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so was there any need for a ruling by
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  Speaker 1: the head of the commission, Justice Madlanga? And if so,
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  Speaker 1: what did he rule? I mean, what happens with all
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  Speaker 1: of this next?
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  Speaker 2: So Justice Mbuseni Madlanga actually ruled that Busi Musi Madlala's
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  Speaker 2: testimony should go ahead and that the evidence leaders should
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  Speaker 2: be allowed to question Madlala on that specific statement up
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  Speaker 2: until Advocate Annalene Fanehieva really puts together an application and
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  Speaker 2: really tells the commission what she would want from them
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  Speaker 2: in terms of saying that This is wrong, this was unethical,
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  Speaker 2: and we can prove that it is unethical. I will
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  Speaker 2: tell you, John, as well, that Advocate Malhape Sulu was really,
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  Speaker 2: really unhappy with the allegation from Advocate Pandehieva that she
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  Speaker 2: actually herself, during an impromptu meeting at the commission, told
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  Speaker 2: her that... This meeting was off the records. Advocate Mathapesulo
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  Speaker 2: did come back after the tea adjournment and actually demanding
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  Speaker 2: an apology because she says on that specific day that
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  Speaker 2: is referenced by advocate Anabin Fandahieva, she was not even
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  Speaker 2: at the commission.
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  Speaker 1: Right, let's get into when the commission got down to
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  Speaker 1: its core business, Vusi Musi Matlala, continuing to offer his version,
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  Speaker 1: continuing to be questioned on that. As I understand it,
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  Speaker 1: sharp exchanges with advocate Sisi Baloi.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Advocate Sisi Baloi was really not happy with Busumuzi
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  Speaker 2: Kat Matlala's attitude and she labelled it as Matlala not
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  Speaker 2: wanting to help the commission. I mean, there have been
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  Speaker 2: very often moments where Matlala has refused to answer questions
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  Speaker 2: saying that he does not want to incriminate himself or
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  Speaker 2: he's fearful that he will be charged with perjury and
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  Speaker 2: so forth. And Commissioner Baloi Sisi simply says, He is
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  Speaker 2: not on an outing here. He's actually at a commission
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  Speaker 2: where he's supposed to be and is expected to be
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  Speaker 2: helping them.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Doing a great job keeping us
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  Speaker 1: updated on two very, very interesting and important days at
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  Speaker 1: the Madlanga Commission of Inquiry. Thanks to EWN reporter Tzulu Tzoku,
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  Speaker 1: 702 Drive. It's 23 past five.