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Religious Fanatic Dad Kidnaps Tot, ON THE RUN NOW · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Every day most of us
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Speaker 1: bring our children home. We call for them, they come running,
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Speaker 1: they hop in the car when they're supposed to. They're
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Speaker 1: in their beds when you go to wake them up
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Speaker 1: in the morning. That is not the case for Mom Janet,
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Speaker 1: her six year old little boy, Jojo, seemingly vanishes into
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Speaker 1: thin air. There is still a chance to bring Jojo
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Speaker 1: home alive. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in
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Speaker 1: series eleven. First of all, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: This is an emberreller. There are certain criteria that need
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Speaker 1: to be met for that to be issued. Among them,
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Speaker 1: law enforcement needs to believe that there's a chance that
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Speaker 1: the child could be in harm's way. So let's show
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Speaker 1: you who he is. This is the boy. His full
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Speaker 1: name is Jogei Garriel Morales. His nickname is Jojo. He
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Speaker 1: is a six year old boy with autism. He's got
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Speaker 1: brown hair, brown eyes, about three feet tall, weighing about
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Speaker 1: fifty pounds. He does have a scar under his right eye.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I want to go out. We've got
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Speaker 1: an all star panel joining us. But first I want
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Speaker 1: to go out to JoJo's mother, Janet consis joining us. Janet,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, Thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: Janet explained to me how his autism is affecting him.
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Speaker 1: It's such a wide spectrum. Very often autistic children can
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Speaker 1: be streamlined into school. People that don't understand autism would
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Speaker 1: never suspect there's anytism at all. Tell me about your son,
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Speaker 1: six year old JoJo's artism. How can he function through
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Speaker 1: therapy that we have been working very hard with him. Um,
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Speaker 1: he's able to communicate now and express himself. Um. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: he can express what he wants and feelings. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: have a normal conversation that two adults can have or
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Speaker 1: a normal six year old can have. But he's very
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Speaker 1: expressive now. And he can walk up to somebody and
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Speaker 1: just by looking at their car keys tell them that
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Speaker 1: he has this type of car or that other type
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Speaker 1: of car. He's just very thoughtful. Um, he won't have
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Speaker 1: a normal interaction, just observe and like he can walk
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Speaker 1: up to somebody and tell them that their pants or blue.
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Speaker 1: But he's communicating now. He walks on his tiptoes. Um,
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Speaker 1: that's very normal of him. Um. He does movement with
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Speaker 1: his hands. When he's happy, he flaps the the hand.
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Speaker 1: When he's angry, he UM he's also fluffed the hand,
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Speaker 1: but it's in a very um in a very particular way,
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Speaker 1: like he gets on the corners. He used to sometimes
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Speaker 1: hit himself none anymore to therapy. We have word to
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Speaker 1: that and we have advanced a lot. But overall he's
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Speaker 1: on the higher end of the spectrum, thankfully, and he's
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Speaker 1: able to communicate, and we're hoping with more therapy he
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Speaker 1: can function as a normal person and be part of
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Speaker 1: the community as a normal person and social life normally
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Speaker 1: like other kids. Right now, he plays very parallel to UM.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't like playing with other kids. He just likes
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Speaker 1: to wash them. But we were working on a lot
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Speaker 1: with him. How old was Jojo when you found out
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Speaker 1: he's artistic? UM. We had suspicions from T shirts that
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Speaker 1: would tell tell us that that they had a suspicion
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Speaker 1: around two years old, and he was officially diagnosed at
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Speaker 1: the age of three to neurologist. Once he was diagnosed
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Speaker 1: with neurologist, Janet, what did you go through trying to
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Speaker 1: help him? How much therapy? How many doctors have you
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Speaker 1: seen along with Joe, Joe, your six year old son.
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Speaker 1: We went through a special program from the community the
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Speaker 1: Miami Day It's called early Stuffs when the school gets
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Speaker 1: a professionals together to observe him and create a very
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Speaker 1: specific plan for his own education, and then that transitions
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Speaker 1: into an IP program, which is individualized education for him.
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Speaker 1: They meet with psychology, a speech therapy, behavioral therapist. We
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Speaker 1: all get together. They observe him, they run tests, they
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Speaker 1: play with him, and they create a very specific plan
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Speaker 1: for his school. We have a boor behavioral therapist and
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Speaker 1: the school with the behavior therapists and the therapy ward
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Speaker 1: together so that my son can go to a normal
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Speaker 1: classroom with regular kids, but he has a behavioral therapist
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Speaker 1: with him all the time helping him through because he
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Speaker 1: needs a lot of attention and he needs transitioning from
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Speaker 1: one activity to another one takes a total on him.
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Speaker 1: So they have that behavioral therapist with him, working all
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Speaker 1: the time and rewarding him for changes and helping him through.
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Speaker 1: So he is basically an a student and he does
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Speaker 1: pretty well with the behavioral therapist next to him with
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Speaker 1: me is JoJo's mother, Janet. I'm looking at the panel
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Speaker 1: of really all star experts we have, and I want
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Speaker 1: to go to high profile Atlanta trial lawyer, Emory Law School, professor,
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Speaker 1: past chair of the American Bar Association Family Law Section,
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Speaker 1: author of Divorce, Protect Yourself, Your Kids, and Your Future.
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Speaker 1: Randy Kessler and one of my personal heroes, Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation at class kids dot org.
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Speaker 1: When his daughter was Polly was kidnapped, he has since
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Speaker 1: devoted his life to helping find missing people. You know,
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Speaker 1: Randy and Mark, the reason I'm going to you right
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Speaker 1: now is because we've known each other for so long.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you recall the time that my son, John
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Speaker 1: David had a horrible blow to the head and he
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Speaker 1: was in the hospital for almost a week, and I
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Speaker 1: slept with him every night, and every night I was wondering,
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Speaker 1: what's going to happen, how is this going to affect him?
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Speaker 1: What will his future be? And they were giving us
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Speaker 1: all these dire predictions about what had happened to John David,
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Speaker 1: and I'm happy to report, knock on wood. At this moment,
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Speaker 1: he's got all a's in high school and he's six
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Speaker 1: foot five, and seemingly everything is okay. But Randy, I
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Speaker 1: remember those moments when we were in the hospital days
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out how badly he had been heard.
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Speaker 1: And I'm hearing Janet concepts. You don't describe everything she's
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Speaker 1: been through with her son, just trying to help him
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Speaker 1: forward one inch in life, and now some a hole
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Speaker 1: takes him. Yeah, you know, Look, it's a I'm so
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Speaker 1: flat an honor to be on with you and with
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Speaker 1: Mark who you know, and when we've been talking about
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Speaker 1: things like this for years and years, years and it
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Speaker 1: just doesn't stop. Mark class what about it? Well, there's
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Speaker 1: obviously no better advocate for this child on earth than
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Speaker 1: his mother, and she's doing absolutely everything she can to
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Speaker 1: give him a good life, and then to have him
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Speaker 1: just snatched away like that could cause the irreparable harm.
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Speaker 1: I think that people have to be aware that that
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Speaker 1: Jojo needs his mother, and his mother needs Jojo, and
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Speaker 1: that should be all. Anybody needs to be on the
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Speaker 1: lookout for this little boy and to make a report
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Speaker 1: to law enforcement should they see him. My concern is
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Speaker 1: if someone does see him, say he's in a convenience
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Speaker 1: store or something, He's not going to be able to
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Speaker 1: just go up to a stranger. I'm sure he's upset
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Speaker 1: and you heard his mother say. He flaps his hands,
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Speaker 1: which is very common amongst artistic children if he's happy,
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Speaker 1: you know, like at a birthday party or something, balloons
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Speaker 1: making him happy. But then it takes on a different
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Speaker 1: tenor when he's upset, and he may not be able
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Speaker 1: to react in a way that people can understand him
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Speaker 1: because he's under so much stress because he's away from
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Speaker 1: his mother. Guys, take a listen. Our friends at WPLG
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Speaker 1: ten detectives are considering this a kidnapping case, which is
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Speaker 1: why that Amber alert is in effect. These are the
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Speaker 1: billboards you'll likely see a major high waisted out South Florida.
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Speaker 1: The hope is that with an umber alert out will
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Speaker 1: be able to track the little jem Is or Jojo
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Speaker 1: as they call him. Now, we do know that perhaps
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Speaker 1: the child may be taking some type of medication. Now
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Speaker 1: it's already gone three to four days without that medication.
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Speaker 1: So now we start being our investigators get a little concerned.
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Speaker 1: Of course, he is off his medication. We don't know
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Speaker 1: how he's going to respond to strangers, to being away
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Speaker 1: from his mother and his routine. That's hard. Doctor Sherry
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Speaker 1: Schwartz is joining us. Doctor Sherry Schwartz. You know her well,
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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist, and you can find her at panther at
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Speaker 1: mitigation dot com doctor Sherry Schwartz. Nobody likes to be
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Speaker 1: taken out of their routine, Nobody, especially children, and especially
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Speaker 1: a child with autism. You take them out of their
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Speaker 1: routine and it greatly disturbs them. That's absolutely right. One
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Speaker 1: of the reasons, Nancy, is because for autistic children there
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Speaker 1: they can go on to sensory overload really quickly. So
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Speaker 1: any subtle changes in the environment, things that maybe make
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Speaker 1: noise that would be nothing to the rest of us,
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Speaker 1: could actually trigger an emotional response that sensory overload in
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Speaker 1: an autistic child. So this, you know, I'm listening to everyone,
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Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, you know, his autism might actually those movements,
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Speaker 1: those motor movements, and that sensory overload might actually help
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Speaker 1: draw attention to him in a public setting. I pray
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Speaker 1: to God you're right. Now. Take a list of our
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Speaker 1: friends at wfo R and PLG. It as a six
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Speaker 1: year old boy with autisms there. No one has heard
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Speaker 1: from them now for two days, and his mother is
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Speaker 1: desperate to get him back home. My biggest new complict
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Speaker 1: may hussion be taken away from me. I just miss
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Speaker 1: him so much. Janet Lyle's concepcione is beside herself, unable
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Speaker 1: to sleep, unable to eat, totally devastated that her six
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Speaker 1: year old son, Jojo has been missing since Saturday, missing
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Speaker 1: since Saturday. Time stories with Nancy Grace guys with me
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Speaker 1: is Janet concepts he on his mother and also mark
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Speaker 1: class mark every hour that goes by as another hour.
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Speaker 1: I think of it as sixty mph, sixty miles away
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Speaker 1: further per hour. What should police be doing right now?
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Speaker 1: And why did it take so long to get up
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Speaker 1: an amber you know what? Why rehash what went wrong?
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Speaker 1: How can an amber alert help find Jojo? Well? First
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Speaker 1: of all, Nancy waiting a week to issue an amber
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Speaker 1: alert almost undermines the whole, the whole concept behind the
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Speaker 1: amber alert, which is exactly what you said, a mile
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Speaker 1: a minute, that's how fast your child can disappear. So
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Speaker 1: given the fact that it's been a week, that child
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Speaker 1: could theoretically be absolutely anywhere in the world. And I
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Speaker 1: think that that local authorities have to have to re
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Speaker 1: educate themselves on the whole issue of abduction and the
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Speaker 1: issue of amber alerts. This isn't something that's supposed to
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Speaker 1: be rolled out a week later. This is something that's
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Speaker 1: supposed to happen within hours of the child disappearing. And
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Speaker 1: this is a situation here. The little boy is gone,
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Speaker 1: he's missing. There are other circumstances that point to the
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Speaker 1: fact that he might not be coming right back home. Therefore,
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Speaker 1: you have to do everything within your power, particularly given
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Speaker 1: the fact that he's a special needs child. You have
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Speaker 1: to do everything within your power to alert the community
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Speaker 1: immediately so that they can be part of the solution.
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Speaker 1: Now we're learning more about who took Jojo. Taking us
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Speaker 1: to our friends at CBS four. George Morales is just
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Speaker 1: six years old. He also goes by Jojo, and it's
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Speaker 1: believed that he was kidnapped by his father and grandmother.
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Speaker 1: Now that happened just hours after JoJo's mother was granted
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Speaker 1: full custody. Now take a look at this fire. These
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Speaker 1: are the people who are believed to be with Jojo. Now,
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Speaker 1: his mother and Nes Conceptio tells us he is autistic
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Speaker 1: and was last seen in Homestead. She believes his father
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Speaker 1: may hurt him because of something he told his son too.
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Speaker 1: Janet concepts, you know this is JoJo's mom, what do
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Speaker 1: you believe the father told the son. My son repeats
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Speaker 1: a lot and against not a normal conversation. He would
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Speaker 1: just pace around my house every time that he will
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Speaker 1: be up sin and say that that would tell him
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Speaker 1: that he had to go to heaven before seven or eight.
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Speaker 1: And he constantly repeated that, and I was very concerned.
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Speaker 1: So we the procedures, we went to court. That's why
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Speaker 1: I was granted overnight. And but so he pole to
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Speaker 1: find a way. Let me understand, Janet, You're saying that
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Speaker 1: JoJo's dad told him that he Jojo would have to
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Speaker 1: go to heaven before he turned seven or eight. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: my son will repeat that and I will ask him,
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Speaker 1: but who's saying man? And he will tell me, but
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Speaker 1: BA says, I have to go to We have to
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Speaker 1: go to heaven before seven or eight. And and that's
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Speaker 1: my biggest fear that that's his plan. Guys, take a
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Speaker 1: listen now to our friends at wfo R. Now, as
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Speaker 1: I mentioned, JoJo's mother was granted full custody, but she
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Speaker 1: says when she went to pick her son up from
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Speaker 1: the apartment her ex husband lives with his mom, there
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Speaker 1: was nothing there and all of their numbers are now
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Speaker 1: disconnected now, Concepcion says her son is extremely smart, knows
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Speaker 1: her phone number by heart, but is unable to have
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Speaker 1: a normal conversation. I just want my pack will There's
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Speaker 1: nothing we weren't doing the word to have our ba
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Speaker 1: feeback and right now. The FDLI joining the search for
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Speaker 1: a missing boy with autism. Authority say six year old
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Speaker 1: Jojo has not been seen since Saturday. He is believed
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Speaker 1: to have been taken by his father, forty five year
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Speaker 1: old Jorge Morales. He and the child's mother have had
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Speaker 1: a contentious custody battle since they split three years ago.
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Speaker 1: The family went to pick up Jojo from Moralice's house
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Speaker 1: in southwest Miami Dade along southwest one hundred eighty fourth
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Speaker 1: Avenue Saturday evening, but the two of them were nowhere
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Speaker 1: to be found and more from PLG. When Conceptsion went
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Speaker 1: to pick him up Saturday evening, as was the plan,
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Speaker 1: no one came out to bring him to her. Police
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Speaker 1: came and the landlord opened up the apartment, but everything
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Speaker 1: was gone and there was no sign of Jojo, his
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Speaker 1: father or his grandmother. We were all trying to call him,
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Speaker 1: what's up? Everything from all sources all phones and they're gone.
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Speaker 1: Their car was nowhere to be found either. Police are
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Speaker 1: actively searching for him. Janet concepts on Judge's mom. Janet,
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Speaker 1: you had just gotten full custody, Is that right? Um? No,
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Speaker 1: that we had overnight that that doesn't didn't I was
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Speaker 1: not allowed to have overnight after the incident where we
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Speaker 1: went to court and when we got granted full custody
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Speaker 1: and full decision making the monday after he disappeared, so
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Speaker 1: that the police could be could have more weight on
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Speaker 1: the search because as long as he had some kind
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Speaker 1: of custody, they couldn't do much. I understand question to you.
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Speaker 1: I don't understand why he had the ability after he
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Speaker 1: told a little boy he had to go to heaven
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Speaker 1: before age seven or eight, why he had custody at all.
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Speaker 1: But let me understand this. Randy Calster joining me, high
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Speaker 1: profile lawyer out of Atlanta, you know, repeated this quote
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Speaker 1: many many times. But a dear friend of mine that's
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Speaker 1: a defense attorney, says she would rather try a drug
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Speaker 1: lord or a murder case as opposed to a divorce
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Speaker 1: or child custody case because she's always afraid one of
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Speaker 1: the part is just going to shoot her. These custody
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Speaker 1: battles are so contentious, and I think JoJo's father was
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Speaker 1: furious he didn't get what he wanted. Nancy, not only prosecutors,
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Speaker 1: but also judges. Any judge that tries a custody trial
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Speaker 1: will tell you the same thing. I've been doing this
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Speaker 1: thirty five years, and without exception, nobody likes him. And
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Speaker 1: custody matters because you can't get it right. There's competing,
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Speaker 1: you know, dilemmas. You want children of a relationship with
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Speaker 1: both parents. You're trying to make sure that dad and
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Speaker 1: mom both get to be in a child's life, but
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Speaker 1: you're also trying to protect the innocent child. It's just
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Speaker 1: sometimes there's no right answer. And you know, I'm sure
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Speaker 1: this judge was trying to do what he or she
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Speaker 1: thought was the right thing. Oh my goodness, you know
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Speaker 1: that's a good reason not to be a judge exactly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we can look back and say would it,
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Speaker 1: could have, should have all day long, but it's not
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Speaker 1: helping find Jojo. Right now, this little boy six years old,
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Speaker 1: snatched away from his routine, his home, his mother on
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Speaker 1: the run with a father who's apparently lost his mind,
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Speaker 1: and the grandma, the paternal grandma is the hinch person
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Speaker 1: of all things. I'm sure she's blind to everything her son,
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Speaker 1: the father has done. Take a listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: Leanne Moore John. This area where we're standing right now
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Speaker 1: is the place that he was last seen on August
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Speaker 1: twenty seventh. This is in rural southwest Miami date. It's
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Speaker 1: where the grandmother picked up little Jojo, just six years old,
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Speaker 1: and he hasn't been seen since. We also want to
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Speaker 1: mention that this has been upgraded to an amber alert.
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Speaker 1: We had mentioned for the last couple of days that
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Speaker 1: he'd been missing. Now this is an ambre aller. Okay,
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Speaker 1: straight out to special guests joining us, David Neil with
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Speaker 1: the Miami Harold if you can find them on Twitter
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Speaker 1: at David J. Neil UM and on Insta at Natalia's dad. David.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Explain describe this area
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Speaker 1: for me where the little boy is lasting and the
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Speaker 1: grandma is the one who picked him up. Right, Yeah, yes,
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Speaker 1: from what we know from where police told us and
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Speaker 1: the area is. It's in southwest Miami Dade County. It's
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Speaker 1: very it's very it's like suburbia, suburbia, it's it's rural. Um.
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Speaker 1: There's as much as South Florida is being based on
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Speaker 1: real estate and tourism. Uh, you know, they're going to
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Speaker 1: be more places built there all the time in the
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Speaker 1: rural area gets smaller. But it's it's not a heavily
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Speaker 1: you know, it's not as heavily traveled as say, uh
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Speaker 1: more well known in Miami places such as downtown or
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Speaker 1: a little Havannah South Beach out in a rural area.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is Joe Careo, private investigator with
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Speaker 1: Leverage Investigations LEVERAGEPI dot com founder Bringing Them Home project. Joe,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. What how would that
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Speaker 1: affect how this boy was kidnapped and our chance is
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Speaker 1: of finding him that he's taken from a rural area.
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Speaker 1: JoJo's father, George Morales Senior, planned us for over a year,
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Speaker 1: and when he instigated his plan on the twenty seventh
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Speaker 1: of August, it began to fall apart within twenty four hours.
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Speaker 1: I can't get into any more details. Okay, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: you can't give any more details, Okay, details about what? Well,
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Speaker 1: there's people that assisted him and and have come forward
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Speaker 1: to give information, and that's why I can tell you
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Speaker 1: that his plan began again to fall apart. He abandoned
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Speaker 1: the vehicle. Okay, hold on just a moment. Can we
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Speaker 1: talk about the initial kidnap, where it was and why
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Speaker 1: that location will help or hinder finding him. I don't
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Speaker 1: think the location where he was picked up does anything
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Speaker 1: to help us or hinder to find him. I think
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Speaker 1: what's going to help us find him is the amount
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Speaker 1: of help that now is out there and the amount
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Speaker 1: of eyes that now are out there, and the understanding
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Speaker 1: on the beliefs that George Senior had and where he's
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Speaker 1: going with his fanatical beliefs. What okay, what fanatical beliefs?
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Speaker 1: You know? When when when when when a child of
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Speaker 1: six years old comes home and begins to recite things
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Speaker 1: like he did, like that he has his rhyme that
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Speaker 1: I'm going to be in heaven by the time I'm seven,
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Speaker 1: and I see those videos that shows me a very
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Speaker 1: very deranged father. We have tied him to certain organizations
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Speaker 1: that that that that also have the type of medical
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Speaker 1: views that he has that the world is ending and
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Speaker 1: cryptocurrency's going to thick off and I need to live
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Speaker 1: off the grid. Well, he certainly is in an area
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Speaker 1: to live off the grid and understanding those believes Nancy
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Speaker 1: is what led us to the area that we're searching now.
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Speaker 1: On one Mom, I'm going to get to the search
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Speaker 1: area we're at right now, but first I want you
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Speaker 1: to hear our cut fourteen Jackie. This is bridget Matter
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Speaker 1: at WPLG. She says he spent time researching living off
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Speaker 1: the grid and last September her son began making cryptic
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Speaker 1: comments back people away. Excepsion recorded some of these conversations.
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Speaker 1: Mama over technique, he commented to me. Then he wanted
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Speaker 1: to take him to leave in a farm with mouth,
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Speaker 1: and he wanted me to go with him. When Concepsion
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Speaker 1: went to pick up her son as part of a
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Speaker 1: custody exchange in late August, they had picked up and left. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me get down to it. Mark Class joining me,
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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation. Living off the Grid. That
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Speaker 1: is going to hinder finding Jojo. But on the other hand,
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Speaker 1: law enforcement knows exactly who they're looking for, and they
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Speaker 1: know about him. Apparently they know organizations that he has
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Speaker 1: associations with. So this whole idea of living off the grid,
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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine it. You would just need to
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Speaker 1: have so much gear, so much knowledge, so much money
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Speaker 1: to be able to do that successfully. It's only a
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Speaker 1: matter of time, Nancy, before this guy makes an appearance,
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Speaker 1: and it's only a matter of time before somebody recognizes
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Speaker 1: exactly what's going on here. So I think that they're
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Speaker 1: at a great advantage just simply knowing who has the
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Speaker 1: boy and who he's connected with, what his beliefs are.
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Speaker 1: You're right, Mark Class, You're right, And to you, doctor
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Speaker 1: Sherry Schwartz, following up on what Mark Class just said,
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Speaker 1: what does it mean to you? What kind of people
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Speaker 1: want to go live off the grid? Well, people that
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Speaker 1: want to go live off the grid, generally speaking, are
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Speaker 1: trying to hide from something. They're trying to run from something.
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Speaker 1: They don't want the authorities poking around. And so if
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Speaker 1: he is involved in known sort of off the grid groups,
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Speaker 1: once the police, law enforcement, federal authorities start poking around,
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Speaker 1: it's highly likely people will talk because the other people
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Speaker 1: involved in these organizations don't want law enforcement around. Absolutely
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Speaker 1: not Randy Kessler. They off the grid factor in this
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Speaker 1: case is very disturbing, and not only that claimed fanatical
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Speaker 1: beliefs on the part of the father seeming religious beliefs,
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Speaker 1: and it reminds me of cult mom Laurie Valoe, who
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Speaker 1: was willing to kill two of her children, have them
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Speaker 1: killed because of her fanatical religious beliefs. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: cases like these and like that one that actually help
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Speaker 1: other families. When nomincourt arguing in a custody situation where
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Speaker 1: there are these sides and indicators, it does happen. They're
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Speaker 1: the outliers. They're rare, but when they happen that the
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Speaker 1: ramifications are devastating, and you know, it does happen. Human
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Speaker 1: beings are not all nice people. This is just a
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Speaker 1: terrible situation, you know. Hindsights twenty twenty. I wish the
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Speaker 1: judge had seen this coming. I wish the mom had
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Speaker 1: seen this coming. But who would believe that a father
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Speaker 1: could do something like this. It's just it's beyond comprehension.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen hour cut nine from wp LG Local ten.
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Speaker 1: This his father. He's also named Jim Morales. He is
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Speaker 1: forty five years old, with brown hair, brown eyes, and
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Speaker 1: his six feet tall. Yesterday, Miami Date Police announced that,
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Speaker 1: together with the State Attorney's Office, they issued a warrant
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Speaker 1: for his arrest for illegally taking Jojo. He does not
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Speaker 1: have overnight custody of him. His grandmother picked him up
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Speaker 1: from his mom's house here in deep southwest Miami date
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Speaker 1: on twenty seventh and when mom went to pick him up,
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Speaker 1: he was nowhere to be found and hasn't been heard
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Speaker 1: from since. To JoJo's mom, Janet joining us everybody. By
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Speaker 1: the way, there was a ten thousand dollars reward to
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Speaker 1: help find Jojo, ten thousand dollars offered by the US Marshals.
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Speaker 1: The tip line is one eight eight eight fl Missing,
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Speaker 1: Florida Missing one eight eight eight f l Missing one
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Speaker 1: eight eight eight three five six four seven seven four. Janet,
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Speaker 1: what type of fanatical religious beliefs? Do you know what
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Speaker 1: your husband? What's going on in your husband's mind? I
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Speaker 1: have no idea everything. I divorced them. He became a
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Speaker 1: complete different person. He every time I will become my son.
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Speaker 1: He would tell me that he needed to create the
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Speaker 1: demons out of my head and that I will go
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Speaker 1: to hell because he could only get married once in
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Speaker 1: a lifetime, and that everybody that got divorced was going
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Speaker 1: to go to hell. And then my son will repeat
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Speaker 1: certain things about the devil all the time, and he'll
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Speaker 1: sit down and think of the devil is coming and
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Speaker 1: the word is ending, and these are all very concerning.
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Speaker 1: I mean as a six year old, I mean, let's
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Speaker 1: talk about candy, let's talk about something else. And it
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Speaker 1: was it was very concerning to me. And I will
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Speaker 1: sit with my son every time that I will get
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Speaker 1: him from him. I will have to sit with my
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Speaker 1: son and explain to him that the devil is not
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Speaker 1: out to get him, that nobody is out to get him,
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Speaker 1: that he's only six years old, and and I will
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Speaker 1: try to just, you know, get that in his hand.
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Speaker 1: Even though he didn't fully comprehend when he was saying
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Speaker 1: because of the autism. He would just repeat words. But
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Speaker 1: it was still very concerning, even though he didn't know
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Speaker 1: what it meant, you know. And and he just became
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Speaker 1: a person that I don't know. I don't know this person.
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Speaker 1: I don't know this guy. And people keep asking me
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Speaker 1: about him or I don't know him. I don't know
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Speaker 1: this guy. I don't know what he became. I have
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Speaker 1: no idea what happened to him. Did he start morphing
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Speaker 1: and to a religious fanatic during the marriage, Did you
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Speaker 1: see it happening or did it happen after you guys
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Speaker 1: split up? It was after we split up, and I
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Speaker 1: know he was going to church and he became very
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Speaker 1: involved in church. And then around a year, around a
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Speaker 1: year and a half, they stopped going to church and
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Speaker 1: a and I asked my son, because I will ask him, ay,
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Speaker 1: did you go to church? Do you see your friends?
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Speaker 1: And he told me no, we don't go to that
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Speaker 1: church anymore. The church is praising the devil too, and
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Speaker 1: that's what my son would tell me. So I don't
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Speaker 1: know if they were going to another church. Okay, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute. A six year old little boy, obviously repeating
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Speaker 1: what his father had said, says, the church was praising
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Speaker 1: the devil, yes, you know, daughter Cherish Wartz. Even little
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Speaker 1: children that don't have autism, so all normal children are
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Speaker 1: afraid of the devil. When my children first saw somebody
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Speaker 1: dressed up like the devil at Halloween, they were so
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Speaker 1: we had not talked about the devil per se or Satan.
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Speaker 1: They got so scared they were really little. They wouldn't
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Speaker 1: even say the word devil. They still to this day
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Speaker 1: called Satan the d guy. They will not even say
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Speaker 1: the name like Valdemort. You're not supposed to say his
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Speaker 1: name or may conjure him up much less this fear
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Speaker 1: to an autistic child. Well, and the thing is, when
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Speaker 1: we're told stories about Satan and the devil, it is
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Speaker 1: a form of social control, right to try to control
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Speaker 1: someone's behavior and get them on a path that is
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Speaker 1: opposite of whatever the devil stands for. So you're absolutely
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Speaker 1: right when you're saying this to a child. The images
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Speaker 1: that disconjuous for a child, and in particular a special
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Speaker 1: needs child is something that it's cruel. It's a level
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Speaker 1: of cruelty. I can't imagine any one doing that with
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Speaker 1: child blood, a love their parents, crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys,
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Speaker 1: the situation for Jojo is so serious. He is with
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Speaker 1: his religious fanatic father and the Hinch person, believe it
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Speaker 1: or not, the grandma Janet, what about this grandma? How
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Speaker 1: does she get wrote into this? She agrees with all
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Speaker 1: this religious fanaticism. Um, she moved back in when I
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Speaker 1: when I divorced her son and um and they were
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Speaker 1: always together. They isolated everybody else, they pushed away everybody else,
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Speaker 1: and he which just her him and that was it. Um.
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Speaker 1: When I got divorced. She made sure to tell me
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Speaker 1: that she was going to show me what a divorce
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Speaker 1: was and ever seen he's just being a bottle. And
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Speaker 1: she has never agreed with the divorce, also saying that
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Speaker 1: that's a devil seeing to do. And and she just
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Speaker 1: became her advocate and when nobody else would because nobody
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Speaker 1: else will advocate from him, So she just became her advocate. Guys,
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Speaker 1: let's go straight to our cuts ten and eleven, take
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Speaker 1: a list to our friends at PLG. Here's another look
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Speaker 1: at those involved. You see six year old hold Jojo Morales,
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Speaker 1: his father, forty five year old Hold Morales. There is
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Speaker 1: a warrant out for his arrest. Police say that they
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Speaker 1: may be accompanied by the boy's paternal grandmother, sixty eight
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Speaker 1: year old Lillian Pega Moralist. She's the person that the
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Speaker 1: mother says, I came to pick him up the day
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Speaker 1: of the day that he went missing. That was the
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Speaker 1: last person to pick him up. She usually facilitates with
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Speaker 1: the handoffs between mom and dad. Let's show you dad's car.
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Speaker 1: This is a gray two thousand and six Ford Expedition
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Speaker 1: with the license plate CSIU fifty three. Local ten did
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Speaker 1: speak with a boy's mother on Monday about how she
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Speaker 1: and JoJo's father have been in a contentious custody battle
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Speaker 1: ever since they split up three years ago. She is
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Speaker 1: begging for JoJo's safe return. I'm afraid, I'm terrified. I'm
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Speaker 1: really broken. I just wish that you will know that
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Speaker 1: we're looking for him and more from Bridget Manner. Listen.
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Speaker 1: Days later, police found a potential clue close to two
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Speaker 1: thousand miles away, this suv. Main State Police say the
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Speaker 1: three may have been in the suv. It was found
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Speaker 1: in Littleton, Maine, near the Canadian border. Conceptsion is working
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Speaker 1: with private investigator Joe Carrillo, who's worked thousands of missing
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Speaker 1: persons cases. Well, I think it's a very dangerous case.
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Speaker 1: It's not the run of the mill. And with us
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Speaker 1: on the private investigator who has handled literally thousands of
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Speaker 1: missing person's cases, Joe Career is with us with leverage investigations. Joe,
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, this is not the run of
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Speaker 1: the Meal case. Now, finding the SEV was significant, but
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Speaker 1: I want to hear what you mean and all of
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Speaker 1: your experience about this not being a run of the
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Speaker 1: meal case. Well, I think I think like the attorney
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Speaker 1: is right on with he's saying that we have a
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Speaker 1: very complacent attitude towards these content child custody cases here
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Speaker 1: in Miami. There was a lot of this evidence that's
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Speaker 1: coming out now that you have heard and are putting
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Speaker 1: on your show today of the videos of Jojo saying
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Speaker 1: these horrible things, and the judges just so would not
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Speaker 1: have part of it. And I think that is to
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Speaker 1: blame for the delay in the Amber alert and so forth.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of interest is being put on the father.
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Speaker 1: I think the grandmother needs to have a really hard
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Speaker 1: look at it. I think she's a one driving this ship.
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Speaker 1: You know, everybody has worked very hard to Miami Dade
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Speaker 1: Police Department doing a parallel investigation that we've been doing
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Speaker 1: on the ground has led us to a very remote
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Speaker 1: area in Maine. It's an area that is exactly how
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Speaker 1: Jojo has been describing where Daddy wanted to go to live.
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Speaker 1: There are plenty of wind meals up there, plenty of remoteness,
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Speaker 1: and I think we're in the right area. The fact
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Speaker 1: that the word is getting out now, I think we're
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Speaker 1: going to have a good conclusion, and I think that
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Speaker 1: conclusion is not going to take too long. But there
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Speaker 1: is a lot to worry about with the father. He
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Speaker 1: can tell you that the father is believed to be
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Speaker 1: armed and he's a very dangerous person. So if anybody
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Speaker 1: sees him, do not approach him. I know everybody wants
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Speaker 1: to go rescue a six year old child in need,
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Speaker 1: but call the people that know. I think we need
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Speaker 1: to be very careful here. This is one of those
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Speaker 1: cases that comes out of thousands that is a very
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Speaker 1: dangerous of custody case. You know. I think you're right.
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Speaker 1: And Mark class joining us, a founder of Class Kids
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Speaker 1: Foundation who has worked as like Joe Correo on thousands
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Speaker 1: of missing children cases. Mark, I'm afraid that if he's cornered,
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Speaker 1: the dad may start shooting. Well, that's obvious possibility. I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you Janet, listen, I've been through what you're going through.
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Speaker 1: I was missing my child for two months, and what
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Speaker 1: I can tell you is that you have to stay strong.
35:44
Speaker 1: You have to put your faith in law enforcement and
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Speaker 1: in your private investigator. You have to strive to get sleep,
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Speaker 1: you have to eat something, You have to take care
35:53
Speaker 1: of your personal needs because Jojoe needs you now more
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Speaker 1: than he's ever needed you before. If you just do
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Speaker 1: those things, and you stay strong. Hopefully you'll get your
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Speaker 1: child back sooner rather than later, and you can continue
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Speaker 1: on with his healing and trying to ensure that he
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Speaker 1: has the good life that he deserves. To you, Joe Carrio,
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Speaker 1: you were saying that you think the grandmother, the paternal grandmother,
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Speaker 1: the father's mother, is driving the bus. Why do you
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Speaker 1: believe that? Why would he fall for everything? His mother says,
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Speaker 1: I've got grown kids that are married and divorced and
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Speaker 1: divorces between a couple. But when when the family members
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Speaker 1: start to make threats to and that divorced very the
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Speaker 1: grandmother has made to Janet, then you come to not
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Speaker 1: only the assumption the knowledge that there's not one bad
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Speaker 1: person here and Jo's mother going along. There are two
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Speaker 1: very bad people that took Jojo to Janet. This is
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Speaker 1: JoJo's mother. If the father Jorhai, I can hear you
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Speaker 1: right now? What is your message to him to please
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Speaker 1: do the right thing, not to stop himselfish is not
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Speaker 1: about him, This is not about me, This is about
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Speaker 1: This is about Georgie. And Jojo needs his routine, he
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Speaker 1: needs his therapy, he needs his friends around, He needs
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Speaker 1: to be doing the same thing he does every day.
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Speaker 1: He needs to be setting off his alarms like he
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Speaker 1: always does, and he needs to go back to his
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Speaker 1: normalsy don't you He's putting him in in danger. He's
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Speaker 1: this is not normal for him. This is a not
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Speaker 1: a routine for him. And he needs his mother. And
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Speaker 1: just like he needs his mother, Georgie needs his mother
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Speaker 1: to you know, nobody better incapable to to to look
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Speaker 1: out for for the kids than a mother, you know,
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Speaker 1: and and to please do the right thing. Please do
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Speaker 1: the right thing. Janet, let me understand what Jack Korea
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Speaker 1: I was saying. He showed a Florida judge these videos
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Speaker 1: where JoJo's talking about his dad says he's going to
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Speaker 1: go to heaven before he's seven or eight, and all
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Speaker 1: the fear about the devil and how he's going to
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Speaker 1: be an angel. He showed that to the judge, and
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Speaker 1: the judge still gave the dad partial custody. We don't
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Speaker 1: we don't do videos on court. Third, I don't think
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Speaker 1: they are miserable, but we did document it. I did
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Speaker 1: emergency emotions, and is what we were all saying. They're
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Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing by the kid, and
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Speaker 1: through documentation we documented the thing that my son were
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Speaker 1: saying with my lawyer. I understand, Randy Kessler, such a
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Speaker 1: video is allowed when an autistic child cannot speak as normal.
38:47
Speaker 1: That's a yes, no right. Yes. Some family law is
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Speaker 1: unique in that. Let it all in, figure out what's better.
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Speaker 1: I know. I don't know what this judge was thinking,
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Speaker 1: but here we are now. According to Joe Carrio, he
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Speaker 1: believes Jog Joe, a kidnapped six year old little autistic boy,
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Speaker 1: is being held in a remote area of Maine near
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Speaker 1: the Canadian border. Please help us bring this child home alive.
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Speaker 1: There is still time to save him. Tipline one eight
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Speaker 1: eight eight fl Missing one eight eight eight three five
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Speaker 1: six four seven seven four. Goodbye friend,