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Guest Hypnotist Jason O'Callhaghan's Journey Into Hypnosis · The Hypnotist

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Welcome to The Hypnotist, the show that gives you inside
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By The Hypnotherapist Demanded by celebrities CE OS and even
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So get yourself comfortable and enjoy today's episode of The
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Hypnotist. Welcome to the hypnotist.
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I'm your host, Adam Cox, and rather than me being your
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hypnotist today I'm joined by a very special guest hypnotist,
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Jason O'Callaghan. Jason, welcome to the show.
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Thank you very much for having me, Adam.
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It's a great pleasure to be here.
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A big fan of the show. Brilliant.
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It's great to have you here and you know, I've seen you perform
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stage hypnosis at the Irish Hypnotherapy Conference.
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I I see your wedding hypnosis clips online, but for those
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people not familiar with you, give us a bit of an intro in
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terms of who you are and how you got into this wonderful world
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that we call hypnosis. Well, I started as a
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psychologist and I'm still that's my primary education.
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I hold a degree and a master's degree in psychology and I was
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on my way to becoming a clinical psychologist.
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I'd sort of done 9 out of the 10 steps, done the undergrad, done
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the masters, done the work experience.
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And during that training I did a course.
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I was doing extra courses to help me get into clinical
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psychology. So I was doing mindfulness and
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CBT and counselling and training and all them.
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And then towards the end of my degree I did a course with the
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the NGH course and hypnotherapy, looking at it as really just
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another certificate. And then when I studied it, I
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suddenly sort of saw the light of the power of hypnosis.
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And once I finished my master's degree, it was simultaneously
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the same time I was finishing my NGH training.
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And I just decided to sort of skip the clinical Hypnothera
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clinical psychology route and instead go into hypnotherapy and
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sort of open the clinic in my in my front room.
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And that was 2012. And since then we've probably
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become the biggest hypnotherapy clinic in Ireland, if not one of
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the most well known. And as I was working my way
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through college, I used to play in a wedding band.
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So it's quite interesting that people often say, oh, you do
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this and you do that. I've only sort of had, you know,
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one or two careers, but they're kind of fairly unique careers.
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So when I was doing my psychology for all my years of
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training, I used to work weekends fronting a wedding
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band. And when the, when the crash
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happened after 2000 and eight, 2010, two, 1011, the wedding
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band industry kind of went downhill because nobody had any
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money. And the, the market then became
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saturated with people who were originally in the building game
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who then back into the wedding business to play guitar and
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bands. So I sort of started watching.
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So I was doing the clinical stuff and that was great.
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And I was doing a lot of weight loss and smoking primarily.
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And then I discovered people like Anthony Gailey, Richard
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Barker, Justin Trance online. So in between clinic sessions,
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I'd be watching my laptop and sort of watching hours and hours
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and hours of stage hypnosis. And I sort of there was a,
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there's a lovely chap in the north of Ireland called Dale
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Thomas, who is doing a lot of weddings up the north and
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another gentleman called Adrian Knight, both stage hypnotists,
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not clinical and book Dale was doing a lot of weddings, but
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there was nobody in the Republic of Ireland and the host the,
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the, the main part of Ireland who was doing shows.
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So I wondered, could I create a character and an act of the
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wedding hypnotist to continue my very lucrative income, do
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weddings, but were out of the band and then adding to my
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hypnosis skill set. So I always say the people that
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the, the Wedding Hypnotist stage show is a very lucrative side
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hustle. You know, it's not a full time
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job because you're only going to be working one or two nights a
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week primarily. But I think that it, I find it
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works well. I find what's interesting is I,
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I devote myself to whatever I do in my life 100% to that thing.
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I've got a very much Sherlock Holmes mentality.
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I don't know very much about sport, you know, very much about
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this or that. But once I do something, I do a
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little 110%. So I my life is hypnosis.
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During the day, it's in my clinic, in the evening, it's
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doing shows. I don't think you don't, you
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have to be 1 or the other. Now, I'd be the only
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psychologist in the world to this stage hypnosis and there's
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no order. I think God rest him, Anthony
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Gaeligs is like a therapist, but there's no one really else who's
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a psychologist who would do that type of stuff.
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So that's sort of my unique selling point, that I'm a
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psychologist that does hypnotherapy and a psychologist
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at this stage, hypnosis. And that's sort of what I've
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been selling myself on for all these years, which is great
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because in the whole of of our country, there's only three
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people who have psychology backgrounds who do even
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hypnotherapy. 1 is the girl who trained me, Neve Flynn, who's
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the NGH instructor like myself, and the other is a lovely guy
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called John Francis, Leader in Ireland, who was the recent head
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of the Psychology Society of Ireland.
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So it's interesting that even though for years maybe the
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mainstream, you know, mental health experts have maybe not
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looked at us in the right way, now a lot of people with serious
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credentials are doing hypnotherapy, which I think
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really adds a lot of gravitas to the therapy that the rest of us
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do. You know, you've got to see your
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doctors and psychologists and counselors doing hypnotherapy
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because I, I have a serious problem with people with no
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qualifications to do hypnotherapy as well.
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And because unfortunately there's a lot of rogue agents
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out there that I've come across, especially here in Ireland, who
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I, I remember telling someone going through training and they
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were saying, you know, they can cure heroin addicts, they can
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cure chronic Alcoholics, they can cure suicidal people, eating
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disorder people. And these issues are much more
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complex than, you know, a six week course in hypnotherapy can,
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can solve. And that's why I, I sort of, I'm
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very wary of a lot of people in our own profession because I
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want, I have very high standards.
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And that's why I think what's actually interesting is why we
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ended up here today is because your fabulous interview on GB
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News was just so credible. You came across in such an
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amazing, credible way. Like even the GB news, they
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weren't able to sort of use the whole your back in the room and
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chickens and swing watches, you know, because it was credible.
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You know, it made this guy actually, this is serious.
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You know what I mean? This guy's, no, you can't make
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someone's boobs bigger by hypnotizing, you know, this type
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of stuff. And I thought that was really,
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really a good point. That's why I sort of reached out
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to you. I thought it was just really
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credible of you. And I think my background sounds
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like it's similar to yours because I, I did a psychology
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degree and one of the very few courses in the, in the UK that
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was the university accredited hypnotherapy course was the one
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that I did. So I've got kind of 2/3 of a
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master's degree. It's just didn't do the, the
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research project. And, and I think very few people
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that become hypnotherapists start off in psychology.
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A lot of them, you know, they, they become interested in almost
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like a hobbyist kind of approach.
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They learn a few things and then they turn it into, into a
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career. And I think having that
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background in psychology certainly helps you to kind of
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look at hypnotherapy on the therapeutic spectrum compared to
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other modalities, which you can't do if you're exclusively
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trained in hypnotherapy and not the other the other modalities.
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No, you're, you're, you're. But it's really just my, my
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issue has always been, and I've discussed this with many people
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and it's on a popular subject sometimes, but I find it very
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difficult if you're going to deal with somebody with serious
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psychiatric problems or addiction problems or eating
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disorder problems, alcoholism, heroin use, child abuse, things
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like this. That you did a, you know, 3
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weekends, you know, and you got a certificate and last month you
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were a builder or a bricklayer or plumber, you know, or a
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postman. And now suddenly, you know,
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you're sitting in a room and someone telling you, you know,
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there were sexually abused and they've been suicidal.
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It takes so much. Not saying that even I can, I
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turn away a lot of clients, as do you, I'm sure.
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I don't have no knowledge of eating disorders.
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And so my wife's a pediatric dietitian and would back me on
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this. You know, you need a specialist
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skill. You need a specialist team.
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That's why if someone has a suicidal or special places to go
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to, there's a team of psychiatrists, psychologists,
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nutritionists, medical doctors to help them.
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Not Johnny, who was, you know, working as a postman and did a
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bit of hypnosis at the weekend and I was decided to open up a
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clinic. But that's what gives us a bad
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reputation. That's as I said, that's my
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compliment to you is how credible you get of hypnosis
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while saying, no, we can't do that.
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Then we can do a lot of stuff and we help a lot of people.
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And I'm sure like you, if you've got good reviews on Google from
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people that we've helped and changed our life and that's
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great. But equally, you know, you.
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I, I think Jerry Lewis, the comedian asked, was asked by
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Jerry Seinfeld, what's the, what's the difference between
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good and great comedian? He says you got to do the work.
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You can't you, you got to do the work.
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You got to, you know what then what are that's being a stage
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hypnotist or being a clinical hypnotist.
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You got to do the work. You know, I'm seeing people now
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and I love and respect a lot of them.
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Some of them in America, they're running, you know, training
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courses for stage hypnotist and they do 2 shows a year.
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You know, like how can you run a course to train somebody?
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You're not doing it yourself. So I would sort of look at a lot
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of people in in the hypnotherapy field, like they say about
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teachers, they say, you know, those who can do and those who
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can't teach, you know, So I would have a very high level of
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high standard of hypnosis because I think we need it to
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stop ourselves being laughed at as the swinging a watch, you
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know, cooking like a chicken brigade, you know, because I
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don't think that's I think we what we have is more valuable
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than that. And that's why I think what
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you're doing with your podcasts and your TV appearances,
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hopefully what the rest of us are doing is bringing
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hypnotherapy to a because we're, we're facing huge amount of
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bias. And the more people who drag us
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backwards by doing amateur stuff, you know, another thing
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about stage shows, but by doing amateur therapy, it's just
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dragging us backwards, you know, because we're already competing
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with every cartoon and every movie and everything that shows
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hypnosis doing type of stuff that even I can't do as a stage
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just, you know, so you're competing against that bias of
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what hypnosis is. And we're trying to make it
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better and better and better and for the standard, higher and
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higher. And if people are going around
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lowering their standards so low that they're going and
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practicing after, you know, 3 weekends of a course or I just
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think it just drags everything backwards for us, you know?
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Yeah, it certainly does. And, and what's interesting,
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it's great to to have you on because you're, you know, a
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credible stage hypnotist, but also a credible hypnotherapist.
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And, and when I was trained, the viewpoint of my teachers was
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very much that stage hypnosis is bad for hypnotherapy because it
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propagates myths and misconceptions.
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And, you know, certainly some of the hypnotherapists of the
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1980s, you know, lots of kind of sexual themed, you know, kind of
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acts in their shows. Yeah.
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Yeah. And and the consensus was that
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it's, it's bad for hypnotherapy. But I'm curious to take your
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point of view because you know, I, I know Rich Guzzi as well.
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And he says, well, actually being a stage hypnotist is great
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because you get to use the stage hypnosis as a convincer and say,
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well, what else is possible in in hypnotherapy?
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So. It's kind of pros and cons for
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of of being like a stage hypnotist.
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It's, it's funny you mentioned Rich because Rich is a great guy
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and I take some people very seriously in this business.
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Others I don't take seriously. And myself and as you, you're
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good friends with John Scanlon, our friend who runs the IR ship
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with Herpy conference. And he came to me three years
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ago with the idea and I was myself and Freddie, Jacqueline
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and Carl were a few people that he talked the 1st and I'm always
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stressing to John, you know, we don't want to go backwards, you
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know, and Rich Goosey is a guy who practices what he preaches
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him and his lovely partner. I think they're coming to the
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conference in Ireland next year. John was telling me he's doing
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150 shows a year. You know, you can't argue with a
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guy that good. You know, he's a he's a top
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level stage him with this. He's selling out shows.
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You know, I listen to people like that.
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I listen to daily. I got rest him.
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I I went to Vegas in January to the performing hitman as a show
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to meet Tom Silver before he passed away.
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You know, I would have a lot of respect for people who respect
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the craft and the art and I think that's what it is.
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But you need to be a very skilled stage hypnotist, just
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like you need to be very skilled clinical hypnotist.
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I think the skill set is, is still has to be very, it's being
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a stage hypnotist is probably the hardest thing I've ever
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done. And why I say that is within the
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whole of our country. Over here in Ireland, there's
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five people who can do hypnosis on stage 5.
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You know, 1 is me, one is Keith Barry who's did the back in the
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back in the room, the TV show Two Guys in the North.
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And then there's a lovely friend of mine, Alexi, who I'm
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training, he's myself a deputy. He sort of stands in for gigs
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that I can't do. So out of 5 million people,
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there's five of us. So that's one in every million
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people can be a hypnotist. Now in the UK it's probably the
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same. There's probably 50 guys for 50
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million people and it's a very hard thing, but I can understand
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the academic and this has been going on.
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You can watch clips from the 1980s of a very famous TV show
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over here called The Late Late Show where they had on Paul
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Golden who was a really famous stage hypnotist who by chance
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was also your trained medical doctor, Barry Sinclair who was a
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legendary Irish stage hypnotist. And then they also had them on
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with a medical doctor from a huge hospital here who was
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practicing clinical hypnosis in a hospital setting.
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Jack Gibson I think was his name.
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The very famous doctor did 6000 operations using clinical
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hypnosis and they were having this debate, the debate that
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you're asking me now, the debate that your lecturers told you.
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It's a debate that's going on. And yeah, I, you know, I can
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understand both sides of the coin.
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But as I say to people when they come in here, there's two
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different types of hypnosis. Clinical hypnosis is clinical
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hypnosis. You're not going to get a stage
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hypnotist doing operations or helping people to stop smoking
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or helping people to overcome anxiety or driving or swimming
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or whatever they have. And equally you're not going to
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have a stage hitting at this thing, you know, you know,
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progressive relaxation on somebody.
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So you know, if you say to someone that they're a nurse
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there, there's fifty different types of nurses, there's fifty
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different types of doctors, there's fifty different types of
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tradesmen. It's two different things
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completely. And if you look at the skill,
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the people people have mentioned already or people who are really
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top of the game, Richard Barker, one of the top guys in the
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world, just in trans, you know, guys like this who are just
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across the world, they're just doing huge, huge, huge work,
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huge business. But a lot of them add
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credibility to to the game, even though they do stage hypnosis.
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And then on the on the other side of the coin, you've got
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people doing stage hypnosis for 5 lbs in the local pub, you
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know, but they're not doing therapy.
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So I don't think it does any harm.
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I think it opens hypnosis up to a lot of people.
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I think the one thing I would hear and I would do 100 to 150
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shows a year, The only thing that I hear at the end of every
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show is people saying I thought it was fake until I saw it with
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my own eyes. So and then people would also,
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you know, I heard you say during the show that, you know, if
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people want to see it was what I would say during my show is, you
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know, if you want to take part in the show and if you want to
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quit smoking or lose weight or whatever, you know, come up and
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talk to me. So a lot of people would see the
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show and even though it's entertainment, they would come
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up and say, I'd really, you know, do you do stop smoking or
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do you do whatever? So I think stage hypnosis can be
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a, a tool to add credibility because to see the phenomena of
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stage hypnosis, and it is a phenomenon when you see it done
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correctly, is it convinced or as you say to people to maybe book
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a private session or go and stop smoking or do whatever they want
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to do with a clinical hypnotist, you know, So I don't think it
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does any harm to it. And but it just depends on the,
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on the hypnotist, you know what I mean?
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It depends if you're, if you're, if you're able to show, do
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incredible good show and you're a professional, then it adds a
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lot of credibility. If you're an amateur and you do
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rude, like I don't, I do weddings as my, you know, people
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always ask me about weddings. They said because there's no
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shortage of people getting married, I don't need to sell
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any tickets. I don't need to do any
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advertising most of the time. And there's no, there's people
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always spend money on their wedding and you've got a ready
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made crowd so you don't need to sell.
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Like this week by chance, I'm doing one or two shows in
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universities and in inside of private venues who booked me.
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Normally I don't do that at all. I don't like to do it, but I
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make the exception. A week is quiet, but weddings
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are just, you know, it's 200 people in a room want to have a
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good time and the bride and groom on something unique and I
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can provide it. And there's low, low or little
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or no competition and people will always spend lots of money
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on their wedding. So as I said, it's, it doesn't
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affect my, I would, I would say one thing.
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I I promote my clinic on my shows, but I don't promote my
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shows on my clinic if that makes sense.
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Oh, it does, yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a one way
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St. rather than a two way St. And, and I think stage hypnosis
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can be a great on ramp because I think if someone sees a good
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stage hypnosis show, that becomes a convincer of the power
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of hypnosis, even if there's other things taking place there,
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like social proof and expectation and, and other
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things. But also I think for therapists,
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I think, you know, for me it was seeing some of the early Paul
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McKenna shows on TV and reading the book by Ormond McGill that
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kind of got me fascinated by some of these kind of
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suggestibility tests and that that's part of the way that I
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became a hypnotherapist. But I'm curious for you, Jason,
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like in what way do you be being a stage hypnotist help you to
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become a hypnotherapist? Is it, is it in the, the, the
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confidence, the the convinces like it?
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How does it help you become a better hypnotherapist if it
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does? Well it I'm lucky because as I
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said, I was in a wedding band for years so I had a lot of
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confidence, you know, on stage already, which is the main skill
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I think to be. Again, this is only said to John
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Scanlon when he started the Irish Hypnotherapy Conference.
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I said to him, just be aware when you're going into the space
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of meeting not just clinical hypnotists, but stage hypnotists
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that we're we're some of the most arrogant people you'll ever
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meet. And I didn't say that in a
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negative is a bad way. I said, but if you look across
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the board as maybe the top, you know, I've been putting
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countless times in the top five or 10 or 20 hypnotists in the
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world in these lists. And you have to be an arrogant
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bastard to be a stage shipment. Just you don't have a choice.
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If you go on stage at A at a university, in a pub, at a
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wedding, at a conference, at a fair, it's American cruise ship.
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If you are not super super Billy big balls of hypnosis walking on
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that stage, you are like a lamb to the slaughter.
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Because this is the thing that I say day in, day out to people.
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If I'm a guitar player, I can sit in my room and I can play
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all day long and I can rehearse all day long.
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If I'm a magician, I can sit in my room all day long and
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practice my cards. Every other form of
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entertainment, including stand up comics.
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Because they don't. That joke doesn't work.
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I'll do another joke. They are not reliant on the
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audience. The stage hypnotist is the
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loneliest job in the world because you are on your own on a
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stage and you are reliant on the participation of the crowd.
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Nobody else has to do that. The comic doesn't have to do
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that. The musician doesn't have to do
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that. If you're in a band they don't
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like, you know, Sweet Caroline, you'll play, you know, something
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else, You know what I mean? You got to be there for 45
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minutes to an hour, 2 hours of you're doing a theater show.
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And if they don't participate, if people don't, you know, want
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to get involved. And I've been in those
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situations. I've been in those situations.
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And when you start off, you don't know what you're doing.
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You do the local, you know, I'm doing an event in a, in a venue
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this weekend and I've taken over the whole of the lounge.
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It's booked out completely just for my show.
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But in the past I've done sort of Utah sort of Pope gigs when I
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was starting off because it's just, Oh yeah, it comes off for
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me a gig, I'll go do it. And there's like people having a
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drink, like 3 lads from the football team having a point at
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the bar next to you jumping around trying to do a hypnosis
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show and you die. You, you, you literally, you go
21:37
through such a pain, you know, it's horrible and you're left.
21:42
So you have to have this arrogance and this confidence
21:47
and you have to learn all the tricks of the trade.
21:51
And that's why I, you know, he he falls out with a lot of
21:53
people. But I'd be a big fan of Justin
21:55
Trance's show because if a train, it's the only train I've
21:57
ever done a stage hypnosis with Justin Trance.
22:00
It was based in Vegas. Because he shows you that, you
22:04
know, the one thing I've learned about stage hypnosis is from him
22:08
is that people think when you see a stage that knows the show,
22:11
that we're starting the show when the volunteers are sitting
22:14
in the chairs. But I start my show and then I
22:17
start talking and I'm giving instruction, as you say.
22:21
I'm giving, influencing them. I'm giving Lindsey the stand up
22:26
to sit down to give a round of applause, to give a cheer for
22:29
the organizer to come up to the stage and giving them
22:32
instruction after instruction. So the great thing I learned was
22:36
when you look at the stage, hit the show as a layperson, you
22:39
think he's starting. Oh, here, here the volunteers
22:41
were starting the show. I started way back there, way
22:45
back then. I've I've learned to do a bit of
22:46
magic and a bit of stand up comedy in the in the process.
22:49
And you know, but I'm just because the first thing you'll
22:52
hear, no matter where you do your first show, people will be
22:54
like, you won't get me, you won't fool me.
22:57
I won't be able to hypnotize me. So even at that, but like being
23:01
comedian and dealing with hecklers, you you know, my
23:03
opening line is always, you know, for the shows is always
23:07
I'm only looking for good looking intelligent people
23:09
because that automatically is such a psychological term.
23:13
People don't realize that what you mean.
23:14
I said, well, the minute the first Heckler comes up and he
23:17
goes, oh, you won't get me. I'm not, you won't fool me.
23:19
I can't be hypnotized. You get of course you can't.
23:21
I told you I'm only looking for good looking intelligent people.
23:25
You're safe. Go sit down and that turns the
23:27
thing around on them. So that's my point about being
23:30
super confident and super arrogant to be a station that is
23:34
within the clinic. Then I found that again, one
23:38
thing I've had to accept, and I'm like your point on this and
23:42
my friends who are doctors and dentists and other stuff, and
23:44
they would say I have to accept and it's very hard that I can't
23:48
fix everybody, you know, that I, I can't get everyone to stop
23:51
smoking. I can't get everyone to overcome
23:53
a phobia. I can't get everyone to lose
23:55
weight. I can't get everyone to become
23:56
with an amazing public speaker. You know, I've, I've really
23:59
worked in the past year on my reviews on Google and I, I, I
24:04
never for 10 years even bothered with Google reviews, just didn't
24:07
bother. I was all about testimonials,
24:08
gonna get testimonials, get testimonials.
24:10
So I didn't bother. And I think, but in the past
24:12
year, I think I've got the reason of 125 star reviews on
24:16
Google since I actually focused on it.
24:19
So I can see the changes I'm making.
24:20
But it does make the one thing I'm trying to accept is that as
24:24
a therapist, I can't fix everybody.
24:26
And I feel sometimes a bit of a fraud when you take someone's
24:31
money and you can't fix them, you know, you just, you know,
24:35
just it's too big a problem or the person isn't willing to
24:39
change or wanting to change or you know, and you, you go
24:42
through all the stuff we're supposed to go through.
24:43
But sometimes it just doesn't work.
24:45
And that's, that's the thing that gets me, you know, is that
24:48
I want to help everybody. I want to cure everybody.
24:51
But sometimes I just can't, you know, it's just not possible.
24:53
So that's something that I find that's sort of the the Achilles
24:58
heel of my job is that I want to help everybody.
25:01
I want to do, but I can't, you know, I don't know if you you
25:04
feel that yourself. Yeah, I guess that's the the big
25:07
difference between stage hypnosis is that if it's not
25:10
quite working with one volunteer, you can just kind of
25:13
find a different volunteer. But with a client, they're the
25:16
one person in front of you. You can't, you can't just swap
25:19
them with someone else. And, you know, I've, it doesn't
25:22
happen very often, but you know, the occasional client that I
25:25
haven't been able to make some progress with, you know, if
25:29
sometimes it is, look, you know, have your money back or, you
25:32
know, let's try this different approach, you know, and, and,
25:36
and that kind of stuff because I'm like you, you know, you want
25:39
to create as much value as you can.
25:41
Yeah, sometimes it, it, it doesn't just work.
25:44
And I think, you know, as far as I'm concerned, as long as you're
25:47
creating value of some kind, then it, it's OK.
25:49
So it's, you know, but, but, but I did something interesting when
25:54
I was learning because going back to what you were saying
25:56
before, like you get good by putting in the hours.
26:00
My belief is that with hypnosis, like, yeah, it's like swimming.
26:04
You can't learn to swim by reading a book.
26:06
You've got to jump in the pool. And, and the decision I made
26:09
very early on is that if I wanted to be a better
26:11
hypnotherapist, I needed to see lots of clients.
26:14
And, and I think that's what separated me from other people
26:17
that did my course is that I was pretty good at generating new
26:20
clients. And the more.
26:21
Clients you work with, the more experience you get and I do feel
26:25
as an element of what you learn from one client definitely does
26:28
apply to the next client, you know, and you, you, you figure
26:31
out these different kind of, you know, approaches, but you can't
26:35
help every single person because there are unique variables.
26:38
But, you know, I think it's setting the right intention and
26:41
and doing what you can, you know, in the best way that you
26:43
possibly can. But it but yeah, it's, it's
26:47
tricky. You, you know, there is no, I
26:49
think people see hypnosis sometimes as a magic wand.
26:53
What I emphasize probably in the same way that you're priming
26:56
people before they they get up on stage, is, you know, I have a
27:01
little video that clients get before they work with me.
27:04
And I said, look, one of the big misconceptions is that hypnosis
27:07
is something that happens to you rather than with you.
27:10
And it really does need to be collaborative.
27:13
And I think that helps them to kind of feel more invested and
27:16
actually realize that, OK, I use a metaphor, in fact, that you
27:21
might appreciate. I compare hypnotherapy to almost
27:24
like stabilizers on a bike in the sense that if a child is
27:29
learning to ride a bike, if they don't have the stabilizers,
27:32
they're going to fall. The stabilizers support them,
27:35
but the child still has to pedal and steer.
27:38
And, and for me, I feel like hypnotherapy is like that.
27:41
It doesn't do the change for them, but it can facilitate and
27:45
kind of support them while they're making that, that kind
27:48
of change themself. And it, and it works with them.
27:51
But, but you're right, it's, it's, I wish it was a magic
27:54
wand, but it, and, and I think it's like, it's like magic in
27:57
the sense that when it's done well, it looks magical.
28:02
It, you know, but with a good illusionist, if they shared
28:06
their secrets as to what was happening with kind of
28:08
misdirection and mirrors, it loses all of the kind of, you
28:13
know, impressiveness. And I think, you know, sometimes
28:16
with hypnotherapy, it's better that there is this kind of
28:18
mystique that they don't know necessarily what's happening.
28:22
And it just looks like, oh, I had this phobia for decades, and
28:25
now it's gone like that. That seems magic, Anthony.
28:28
Anthony Jackwin would call this the witch doctor effect.
28:31
That's his, if you watch some of his videos, Anthony and Freddie
28:36
are great and again, hugely credible people.
28:39
And as I said, that's really why what I think is important is, is
28:42
the credibility of, you know, success.
28:45
You know, and Anthony said that in his videos, he said that, you
28:48
know, this is the witch doctor effect for some people and what
28:51
he's talking about stage or clinical, and he's saying that
28:53
the witch doctor effect is that it's like you and I going to see
28:56
AGP, you know, and you got to go, this is a doctor.
28:58
He tells me I'm not I've got anxiety and I'm going to be
29:00
fine. So that's going to be fine.
29:02
You know, and that's the same thing.
29:04
It's that sort of, you know, going to see your that your
29:06
accountant, they're going to see your lawyer or going to see
29:08
someone, they're telling you, no, no, everything's fine.
29:10
You don't need to worry about that.
29:10
You kind of go, OK, and it's the same again.
29:13
The other thing I was told, and it's very true is you never
29:16
hypnotize anybody that you know, you know anyone who's a family
29:20
or a friend, the enemy because they don't see you as a
29:22
hypnotist. They just see you as Jason or
29:24
Adam or whoever. Whereas you know, you're these
29:27
people are going in, they go see, going to see the hypnotist
29:29
guy today, you know, I'm going to go and see this guy's going
29:32
to fix my phobia. You know, the most important
29:34
thing I find that really helps me and it's not a skill that you
29:38
can learn in a classroom is for 10 years before I studied
29:43
psychology, I was a journalist at the biggest newspaper in
29:46
Ireland for a whole decade. And it's a thing that I learned
29:49
being a journalist. And I was also prior to that,
29:51
when I was in college as a kid, I was a waiter.
29:54
I went to worked around the world as a waiter when I was my
29:56
sort of 19 and early 20s. And it's it's building rapport.
30:00
You know, that rapport is walking into dining room as a
30:04
waiter and and talking to people at a table that noon since I was
30:07
15 years old as my family business.
30:10
So, you know, walking up to strangers and making them
30:12
welcome and introducing yourself.
30:15
And then as a journalist, that was literally my job every day,
30:18
my life for, for 10 years. Umm, and then I found that, you
30:22
know, when people come to see me in my clinic, umm, you know, I
30:27
stand at the door and I'm welcoming them as I, I don't do
30:30
online primarily I'm moving into it as, as things go on, but
30:33
primarily I like to work 1:00 to 1:00 with people, uh, face to
30:36
face. And I find that the results
30:38
better. Umm so I find that, you know,
30:41
welcoming people in and chatting and having the consultation and
30:45
I would spend, you know, maybe 20-30 minutes alone just talking
30:49
to people, just finding something.
30:51
I'd always ask people where to come from, what they do, and
30:53
then they go on and then get into a conversation about that.
30:56
It just brings down, it builds an empathy, it builds A rapport.
30:59
It's a skill that that I think is overlooked by a lot of
31:03
people, You know, especially doctors are lots of problems
31:06
with doctors because they have no rapport.
31:08
And it's building that confidence they're going to go,
31:10
this is actually OK, I'm not, this guy's not going to control
31:12
my mind. This guy's not going to do this,
31:14
this and this. So it makes it much easier for
31:16
you to then put them in the hypnotic position where you want
31:20
to sit. Like in my clinic here.
31:22
What I do is I built a specific clinic on the side of my house.
31:26
I live in a very nice area, thankfully where and I've got a
31:29
huge church across the road with huge car parking.
31:32
I've got a side entrance with the clinic aside.
31:34
So I'm here all the time. So I've made it as cozy as a
31:37
sort of easy for people. They don't need to.
31:39
And I, again, it's sort of more of a business side of things
31:42
that I do it. I don't have gatekeepers.
31:44
They don't have to meet a receptionist.
31:45
They don't have to go to a strange building.
31:47
They'll just sit in the waiting room and they don't have any
31:49
trouble finding me. They don't have trouble parking.
31:52
It's in a very calm, you know, scenario.
31:55
It's a very non formal environment that I want people
31:58
to sort of just come in and talk to a friend and this friend's
32:01
going to help me get over this stuff, you know.
32:03
So I think that's a really important skill for that, that
32:06
you can adapt that. He said maybe I got more to get
32:09
it from the stage as well from the confidence on the stage.
32:12
But it's definitely something that that has really helped me
32:14
to build my practice higher and higher.
32:17
And then on the flip side, you know, I wanted to talk about
32:21
those people who were hypnotists who were listening to the
32:24
podcast, The downside of working on your own in a room all day.
32:29
You know, it's it's a very lonely profession sometimes.
32:33
Some people are lucky enough that they work maybe to have an
32:35
office in a practice with other therapists or doctors or
32:38
psychologists or hypnotists. But I think, you know, for any
32:42
hypnotist listening, a hypnotherapist or wannabe
32:44
hypnotherapist, First off, working for yourself is pretty
32:48
hard. The first week in September,
32:51
last week I found it really difficult.
32:52
The phone just didn't ring. You know, it's just a quiet
32:54
week. This is, you know, one of the
32:56
honest things about being working for yourself and
33:00
self-employed. Some weeks, I'm sure, I'm sure
33:02
you'd agree. Yeah.
33:03
Some weeks the phone doesn't ring, the e-mail doesn't come.
33:05
They're literally think of a switch next day you've got 10
33:08
new clients. There's there's no predicting
33:11
it. It's not the comfort of working
33:13
in the bank or being a school teacher.
33:15
You know, it's a fabulous profession to be in, but it it
33:19
goes up and down, you know, on a Monday you get 10 calls.
33:21
You made a fortune. Great.
33:22
This is great. I'm booked out following Monday.
33:24
There's no one ring and you're going.
33:26
Well, I haven't changed anything.
33:27
Changed my website that I hadn't changed my ads on Google.
33:30
I didn't to get a bad review. What's it's just the world.
33:34
And that's something that I find that my own personal development
33:38
finds very difficult. And I, I talk to my hypnotist
33:42
friends about this. I go, this is an issue that I
33:44
have and I'm trying to understand.
33:47
It's not that I'm short of money.
33:48
So OK, it's not just the money that I need.
33:51
So it's not because I have no money coming in.
33:52
What is it that's driving me? Why am I, why do I feel like
33:56
this? Do I feel useless?
33:59
Do I feel I've done something wrong?
34:01
So that's the thing, you know, the people never talk about when
34:03
they talk about working for yourself in whatever business
34:06
you're in. We're talking about, you know,
34:07
therapists here, but it's not worse than, you know, you've
34:10
given up your job at the post office and you've set up your
34:12
lovely clinic and you've rented your room and you've got your
34:14
Google ads running and, you know, this therapist out there
34:17
that no one's ringing, you know, or they're charging so little as
34:19
we've talked about it, that it's not really worth your while.
34:22
My cleaning lady makes more money than some hypnotherapist,
34:25
you know, So it's about, there's so many parts to this puzzle and
34:31
they're all hypnotherapist or any therapist or anyone who's
34:33
working on themselves. We all have to understand, which
34:36
is actually good in a way, because a lot of our clients
34:39
come in and are self-employed and business people and people
34:41
are having a hard time sort of empathy and understanding.
34:45
You would have to put yourself in other people's shoes because
34:47
you've been through stuff or because you're going through
34:50
stuff. So I think it's just a, it's
34:52
something that needs to be talked about a bit more that
34:54
everyone wants. Everybody wants to be on stage.
34:57
Everybody wants to be a clinical hypnotist.
34:59
Everybody wants to be doing, you know, podcasts and TV interviews
35:02
and making a lot of money as a as a speaker and all the stuff
35:05
that a lot of us do. But like, it's, it's like if you
35:08
talk to actors, we look at them on the on the movie and say, oh,
35:11
wow, how do you're in that movie and oh, you must make so much
35:15
money and you're on a friend the year it's great to go.
35:17
Yeah, that was for six weeks. The other 40, you know, six
35:21
weeks of the year. I wasn't working.
35:23
You know, I'm friends with the great quote I came across as I'm
35:28
friends with Liam Cunningham and I don't, you know, Liam
35:30
Cunningham, he's the actor from Game of Thrones.
35:33
He plays her Davos in Game of Thrones and he's Parliament.
35:37
Yeah. You know, the guy I'm talking,
35:38
you look him up. He used to be an electrician,
35:40
you know, and he's a fan of the mine from when I was a
35:42
journalist. And he, he, Game of Thrones was
35:45
his big breakthrough role. You know, he said it's going to
35:48
be on his grave because he was doing sort of, he's very much
35:51
about the work. And he was doing some theater
35:52
stuff and doing, you know, cameo roles and small roles, but he
35:56
never really. And he said there's nothing
35:58
worse as an actor than being famous and broke.
36:02
That's the thing that really gets them.
36:04
You know, everyone recognizes you.
36:06
You ain't got no money because you only worked for six weeks
36:08
last year. And so it's, it's quite, you
36:12
know, when, when you do something that you love and
36:15
everyone listening, like ourselves, loves hypnosis, loves
36:18
hypnotherapy, loves the community, loves watching it or
36:22
learning about it or, but you know, it can be a very lonely
36:26
Rd. sometimes because some days, as I said, the phone doesn't
36:29
ring, you know, and that makes you question so much.
36:31
And then like I always my wife gives out to me as I say, Oh
36:34
God, it's quiet this week. You know, what do I do?
36:36
And and it brings me, I always go back to the same metaphor as
36:41
you call it, or quote is from Steve Jobs, who does that great
36:45
sort of Greek quote, which is, well, when the fishermen and
36:48
fishing, they're fixing the Nets.
36:50
And that to me is something that gets me, you know, gets me back
36:53
on track. It's like, OK, this week is
36:55
quiet. I'm not doing any shows or this
36:57
week's quiet. I don't know how many clients
37:00
people are busy or people, maybe you don't need hypnotherapy to
37:02
this week, you know, So I was like, OK, let's work on my
37:05
website, let's work on my podcast, let's work on my book,
37:07
let's work on my advertising, let's work on my accounts.
37:10
That's, you know, there's always something to do.
37:12
And I think that's something that will help a lot of people
37:15
who are starting off, you know, if your phone isn't ringing,
37:17
you're not booked out with 60 clients this week.
37:20
OK, well, you know, what else could you be doing?
37:22
You know, could you be doing another course?
37:24
Could you be doing more study? Could you be listening to
37:25
podcasts like this one? Could you be learning more about
37:28
the business with the advertising, the marketing, the
37:30
Google ads, the social media There's so could you be
37:33
contacting your local newspaper to try and get an interview in?
37:36
You know, I find working for yourself and I've done it for my
37:38
whole life as as stuff at the wall.
37:41
So Jason, I'm, I'm curious, like if there was a gun to your head
37:44
and you had to choose, not that you do, but if you had to choose
37:47
between only being, let's say, a stage hypnotist doing your
37:52
wedding shows or being a hypnotherapist and you couldn't
37:55
choose both, what do you choose? Stage hypnosis.
38:01
And the reason is I would work two nights a week.
38:05
I would work 100 nights a year and I would know for the next
38:09
year where I'm going to be each weekend.
38:12
So I would say, well, next year I'm going to have 100 grand in
38:15
the bank. You got 100 shows in my diary
38:18
and I spent my week going to the gym, swimming, eating healthily,
38:23
spending time with my children, spending time with my wife,
38:26
walking my dogs. And that's what I did when I was
38:28
in my Wedding Bandit. I mean, I was in college.
38:31
I've sort of the only thing left for me to do is to do a
38:33
doctorate because I've already got to the master's level.
38:35
So in my youth, my 20s and 30s, we've been OK, I've got a
38:38
certificate now I'm going to get a degree.
38:40
Now we got a degree and I'm going to get a master's.
38:42
Unless I go and do a doctorate and I'm 52 years old.
38:44
I don't know if I really want to go back to the doctorate, what
38:47
the benefit would be. Maybe I should.
38:49
But I just think getting through the masters, as you mentioned,
38:53
you know, doing the, the thesis and the masters nearly broke me.
38:56
You know, it was the heart. I passed all my exams and my
38:58
master's in Trinity College and I had to redo my thesis.
39:02
And that was the hardest thing I've done in my life, I think.
39:04
So I don't think I could go back and do a PhD.
39:07
So yeah, I would be quite happy. And as I get older, like I, I'm
39:11
very lucky, I've changed a lot of my business model.
39:16
Like I know we talked about a lot of people like yourself do
39:19
stuff online. I don't really do that because I
39:22
don't have to. But I've also on the same side.
39:24
I used to have somebody answering my phone, you know,
39:27
because my kids were young, I got rid of that service.
39:29
Now I answered my phone myself. I used to rent an office with a
39:32
waiting room. I got rid of that.
39:34
So I've got rid of all my, a lot of my overheads, which also
39:39
gives me a lot of peace as well. Because you're not going, OK,
39:41
well, I can, I can charge more. I can see better clients.
39:45
I don't need to sort of prostitute myself out constantly
39:48
to try and get money in because, OK, it's OK if I have a week or
39:51
two, it's not really busy. I thankfully, you know, it
39:54
always works out and I always get anxious and there's always a
39:57
week or two here and there that I get anxious and then like a
40:00
week later, you know, you're making a fortune and you're at
40:02
the door busy. So it always comes around.
40:05
But as I said, that's the mental health part of working for
40:08
yourself as a hypnotherapist that I don't think people see.
40:11
When they see these conferences and they see these shows and
40:14
they see this media, and I think that's one thing that I come
40:18
across in my own clinic and one thing which I deal with myself
40:21
is that, you know, working for yourself, being a therapist, it
40:25
can be very lucrative and it's very rewarding.
40:27
But there is a tough side as well.
40:30
You know, like you've got to do so many different things, so
40:33
many balls. You got to keep up in the air to
40:36
be successful and to not work, you know, the nine to five life,
40:41
which, you know, it's an interesting thing.
40:42
There's a great hypnotist in America called Jason Lynette.
40:46
And Jason will often talk about, he'll say about hypno, what we
40:51
call Hypno Muggles. And he'll say, you know, a lot
40:54
of people like the idea of being a hypnotist.
40:57
You know, as I said, they're in America.
40:58
They they're working for the Postal Service.
41:00
And after 40 years, they want to quit working for the man and
41:03
they want to go and do this and they want to go and do that.
41:06
But, you know, the reality is a lot of people who train in
41:10
hypnotherapy never make any money and never have a job and
41:15
never have a full time income out of it.
41:18
So I think that's something that people who are, you know, don't
41:21
spend. The best advice I would give
41:23
anyone who's getting into hypnotherapy or starting or is
41:25
running a business, cut your overheads.
41:29
You don't need a fancy office. You don't need a fancy business
41:32
card. You don't need fancy Flyers.
41:34
You don't need, you know, I've seen a lot of people who come
41:36
from a a background where they're working, you know, and
41:40
they think, OK, I'm not working in the bank anymore.
41:42
So the first thing you're going to do is open an office and I'm
41:44
going to be a big sign above the door or says, you know, Johnny
41:46
Smith hypnotist, you're going to spend, they're going to have a
41:49
secretary. I'm going to have a lovely
41:50
office in a way. You're going to decorate.
41:52
It's going to be beautiful. And they spend all their money
41:54
and have no, but it's attempt to they don't get any clients.
41:58
And by the time they get clients, they spend all their
41:59
money on everything. So all their money on stuff that
42:04
you know is completely irrelevant.
42:06
So that's what I'm saying is that they have to, you have to
42:08
know what you're doing. And I think listening to your
42:11
podcast and talking to professionals in the business is
42:16
really the educating yourself about the reality of working as
42:20
a full time hypnotist. Because when I, when I started
42:24
1213 years ago, I remember someone coming into the training
42:27
to, I always remember this as long as I did.
42:29
Two guys came in who had done the course beforehand and one of
42:33
them his business card for his hypnotherapy.
42:38
I still can't believe I'm saying this was a refuse company.
42:41
He worked in a refuse company. And it was like, you know, Adam
42:45
Cox, hypnotist care of such as such refuse company.
42:49
You know, when I was like, OK, And he said, look, let me tell
42:54
you this, there isn't enough business out there for it to be
42:57
a full time job. So what I do is I book people in
43:01
to come and see me in my office on a Saturday.
43:03
I'll wait all month and I'll book three people in at the end
43:06
of the month. And they're my hypnotherapy
43:08
clients. And that was the first
43:11
introduction was like, really? So you can't get any.
43:15
And like I've obviously made a full time living out of it for a
43:17
long time as a view. And but that was that was his
43:20
opening line to us was that, you know, you're not going to make
43:23
any enough money to be a full time hypnotist and you guys, so
43:27
you'll see you're looking to get past the next Saturday.
43:30
I've, I've, I've gone to conferences where I've literally
43:33
overheard people say, you know, it's a very fulfilling
43:35
profession, but you can't, you can't make money from hypnosis
43:40
and you can, it's, I, I think sometimes a lot.
43:44
Of money, you can make a lot of money if you, if you, but again,
43:48
the downside to doing this business or any business is you
43:53
can't. I suppose the problem with it
43:56
is, and this would be the same over any complimentary therapy,
43:59
maybe some who do alternative therapy, some of our counselors
44:01
or whatever, we psychologists, acupuncturists, massage, doesn't
44:06
matter. A lot of people are what we call
44:08
woo woo in this business, you know what I mean?
44:10
They're all about the woo woo and they're all, you know, this
44:11
is all spiritual and stuff like that.
44:13
And they can be the, you know, they can be the nicest people
44:15
and they can be the, the kindest people and they can be a great,
44:18
great therapist. You know what I mean?
44:19
That I'm sure they can help a lot of people, but they have
44:22
absolutely no business IQ whatsoever, just not zero,
44:26
absolutely 0. The other don't charge or don't
44:28
charge enough or don't know how to run the business or are
44:31
talking about. Like the one thing that gets me
44:34
and it just drives me crazy is not just what I mentioned
44:36
earlier, but people saying, you know, we can cure everything,
44:38
you know, with hypnotherapy, which isn't true, but also
44:41
people who will, you know, I can talk to dead people.
44:44
Like it's just sitting there going no, no, you can't.
44:48
This isn't psychic, you know, you know, Mystic Meg, you know,
44:52
if you want to be taken seriously and then the next
44:54
thing you're there to say, yeah, I used to be a, you know, a milk
44:58
maid in my former life, you're just going to go like, just put
45:01
yourself. Imagine your doctor told you
45:03
that. Imagine your dentist told you
45:05
that. Imagine your clinical
45:06
psychologist told you that. Imagine anybody that you wanted
45:09
to take seriously, that you went into your doctor.
45:11
And the doctor says, well, you know, the reason you've got
45:14
this, this illness is because in your past life, you were a World
45:17
War Two general. You'd be gone.
45:20
Really. This is so that's, that was, you
45:22
know, I think that's more of an issue than somebody doing a
45:25
stage show. You know, it's more of an issue.
45:27
Someone saying, oh, I can, you know, we can regress you back to
45:30
when you were a one year old baby in the cot.
45:33
OK, maybe you can, but it's not you're not going to get you're
45:37
going to get a lot of blowback because of that.
45:39
You're going to get a lot of well, this guy told me I could
45:42
be a baby again or just by telling me I could see my dead
45:45
mother again or this hypnotist that he could bring me back to
45:47
when I was in World War 2 general again.
45:50
He's just gone. Everything we're working on has
45:53
just gone off a Cliff because you see that.
45:57
Yeah. As I say, I say this interesting
46:01
I said is to our friend John, who runs the Irish Trip and
46:03
Therapy conference, which is on April next year.
46:05
And I'd recommend everyone go to it.
46:06
Adam will be there and a lot of great people are coming to be
46:08
there. But, and I often say the John is
46:10
you. We, we have to add credibility.
46:13
You know, you have to have credibility, especially at these
46:16
conferences. I know you probably got to the
46:18
London one. I've been to a lot of them.
46:21
But like I remember someone saying to me, one of the
46:23
conferences, someone that you know, I've been a hypnotist like
46:25
6 months was now speaking at the conference and I'm like, why?
46:30
You know, what are you bringing to the conference?
46:32
What why would someone pay to see you at a conference when
46:36
you've got no experience? So I think next year I think
46:39
Rich Goosey might be coming over.
46:40
I think John has a lot of big people like yourself coming
46:42
over. And any of these conferences, if
46:44
I go, if I want to go, if I want to waste my weekend, it's not
46:48
just about woo woo and let's have a few drinks.
46:51
It's about what am I going to learn, you know?
46:53
And I think people will often talk about McKenna or Darren
46:57
Brown or people like that. Like McKenna is only McKenna
47:02
because he's a brilliant business person.
47:05
I don't think Paul is any better hypnotist than you or I.
47:08
Most people don't realize that Mckenna's Stark came because
47:12
McKenna was a radio DJ who interviewed a hypnotist.
47:15
Who? And do you know Adam who
47:17
Mckenna's best friend is by any chance?
47:20
Have Richard Bandler No. No, no, no, no, no.
47:23
Let's see. This is the thing.
47:24
Richard Bandler is is a friend of Mckenna's now.
47:27
But McKenna started as a radio DJ.
47:30
And who would you meet if you were a radio DJ back in the 80s?
47:33
Nineties was Simon Cowell. Simon Cowell is.
47:38
True. Mckenna's best friend, their
47:39
best man, each other's wedding. So you get on the TV and listen,
47:45
if BBC can call you tomorrow or my country RTE can calling me.
47:49
And they said, Jason, we're doing a show on hypnosis phobia
47:53
thing or whatever it is, or we're going to give you your own
47:55
show on stage. You would.
47:58
So you would be the next Paul McKenna, the next Aaron Brown,
48:01
the next whoever. The TV gives you that
48:04
credibility. But it's just because you were
48:06
picked and the guy next door, he wasn't picked.
48:09
So it doesn't. And that's one thing that you
48:10
know, whoever's learning hypnosis.
48:12
Don't think that this person or this person or this person is
48:15
better because maybe they're on TV, whatever that adds a lot of
48:18
credibility. But and, and it's great for
48:21
sales and so on. But don't compare yourself with
48:24
these other people. Compare yourself and your
48:25
results. Compare yourself on your bottom
48:28
line. You know, as we we talked about
48:30
people like Rich Guzzi or people like Richard Barker or people
48:32
like the late, amazing Anthony Gailey, these guys are just, you
48:36
know, they're making great living.
48:38
They're helping a lot of people. They're doing a lot of great
48:41
shows. They're practicing what they're
48:43
preaching. You know, so if you're going to
48:45
follow anybody or train under anybody or listen to anybody,
48:49
you know, listen to the people like, like yourself, Adam, you
48:52
know, you got a podcast, you got a successful thing, you're on GB
48:55
News, you're credible, you know, they're serious and it's the
48:59
same. You have your psychology
49:00
qualifications. You're a serious guy to talk to.
49:03
I consider myself the same. And that's where I think we
49:06
should be going was that the people who are representing us
49:09
in the media and in the press and our conferences need to be
49:13
people who are credible. And that's anyone who's
49:15
listening. That's what they should do as a
49:17
therapist or a wannabe therapist or a future therapist or a
49:20
current therapist. Give yourself credibility.
49:23
Give the profession credibility. It doesn't matter if someone's
49:26
doing a stage show. That's not kind of effective.
49:28
It is kind of effective. You can tell somebody, yeah, I
49:30
can fix your 16 year old anorexia because you can't.
49:33
Or someone rings as a heroin addict.
49:35
No, you can't. Or a chronic alcoholic, They
49:37
should be in a should be in a program in hospital.
49:41
You can't. They need proper help.
49:43
They need more help than we can give them because they need a
49:44
team or you can't talk to dead people or you can't, you know,
49:48
all these type of things. Stop doing that.
49:50
Give us credibility and then we'll all do much better out of
49:52
it. So Jason, before we wrap up, is
49:55
there any kind of experience, demonstration, guided experience
50:00
you want to give the listeners? Well, my I'm not going to do 1
50:03
live, but I'm going to tell you what I do, which makes my clinic
50:07
very different, if that's OK. What I, I, what I've learned
50:11
over the years is that I try to make my therapy immersive.
50:16
I mentioned to you sort of like an IMAX experience.
50:18
So here in the clinic, I won't show you, it doesn't work well
50:22
on camera, but we have PA system setup.
50:25
We have microphone headsets set up.
50:27
It's not just high for them. Close your eyes.
50:30
In my clinic chair, I have the recliner, which most people
50:33
don't realize comes from psychiatrists.
50:35
Psychiatrists like Freud. What was Freud?
50:37
A hypnotist. So an interesting link there.
50:39
So we have our recliner. I give people to be blanket, be
50:43
blanket to keep them safe and warm underneath them.
50:45
I give them an eye mask, like a sleeping mask.
50:48
I block out all the light. I make sure there's no
50:51
discomfort as in they're not cold because under the blanket
50:54
they're not blind about the lights, so there's no need to
50:56
distract them. Then they sit in a dark room and
50:59
what we do here is they're already eyes are covered.
51:01
The only sense I allow them is hearing.
51:05
That's the only one. They can't see anything.
51:07
They're not cold, they're not warm, they're nothing.
51:09
And then the room is surrounded. My room here is surrounded with
51:12
one 2-3 different types of speakers.
51:15
There's a big PA system which the microphone comes out of.
51:18
There's also an iPad which plays our our our music.
51:22
It can sample will come out right beside me.
51:26
Here there's a tablet, there's phones, there's ATV.
51:30
There was Ike I wowed a room like sound therapy.
51:35
I have the hoive treed. I've waves crashing on one side.
51:38
I've got bells and and birds singing on the other side.
51:41
I've got, you know, certain Hertz of relaxation music coming
51:47
out beside them on Bluetooth speakers.
51:50
So I surround them in this thing.
51:52
So that and I found that so successful with people because
51:56
you're not battling the elements of the traffic passing or
51:59
whatever the dog barking down the road that the only thing
52:02
they can use then in this setting is their unconscious
52:06
mind. So I find that it's it could the
52:09
success rate will be 99% of people that I can hypnotize.
52:13
I always say 99 because you're never going to say 100.
52:15
And those 99% of people that come into the clinic, because I
52:19
do it face to face are surrounded with this sound
52:22
effect. And another interesting thing
52:24
that I do, which most people don't do, and I've been doing
52:27
this for in 10 years, is I record all sessions on people's
52:31
phones. Now, excuse me, you can charge
52:35
extra for this. You can charge a premium price
52:37
for this, whatever. But it's something that a client
52:39
said to me years ago. She said, oh, would you mind if
52:40
I recorded this? And I was doing this maybe two
52:42
or three years in business, and it was like one of these light
52:45
bulb moments. So rather than charging less
52:48
money, what I do is I say to people, look, it's going to cost
52:51
you more, but we'll be able to fix the problem quicker because
52:54
you're not going to do 1 hypnosis session.
52:57
We're going to record this on The Voice note on your phone.
52:59
And you're going to do 33 hypnosis sessions or 31 or 32.
53:03
You're going to do it 1 today. And then you're going to do it
53:04
every day for the next 30 days, at least two weeks to a month.
53:08
So they're reinforcing, reinforcing, reinforcing the
53:11
therapy. So we blocked out all their
53:13
senses. They're completely surrounded.
53:15
And then they get to go home and lie in their own bed and repeat.
53:19
The experience and the successes I've had with this have been
53:22
phenomenal. You know, I've gone from, as I
53:25
mentioned, you know, a handful of reviews to hundreds of five
53:29
star reviews, which is affecting my business in a good way.
53:32
And I think that's just really the, the thing that I found that
53:34
it makes my therapy completely unique is that it's an immersive
53:39
experience. We also have a fan down beside
53:41
there that I can control my phone.
53:44
And so I'll put them on the, you know, on the stereotypical beach
53:47
during the relaxation, but they'll feel the warm air from
53:50
the fan. They'll.
53:52
Be in the total darkness. They'll hear the birds.
53:55
As I said, I have a control panel here beside me.
53:57
And then, you know, they'll hear, you know, birds singing,
54:01
they'll hear, you know, wind chillings and frogs.
54:04
And I can just, I can, as I go through the visualization
54:07
myself, I can bring people wherever I want to go on that
54:10
journey. You know, I'll go and let's go
54:12
to an abandoned, you know, beach shack somewhere in the, in the,
54:16
in the Cayman Islands. And they can feel that tropical
54:19
warm breeze and they can hear those birds of paradise.
54:22
So it's like a virtual reality scenario for them, which makes
54:26
them so relaxed and puts them down into that theatre level so
54:30
quickly. So I just find that that sort of
54:33
works really well for me and and my clients are really happy with
54:36
it, you know, So I think that's sort of the one thing I'd leave
54:38
you with is that I think that giving them that unique
54:41
experience really does make a difference to my client Alan has
54:45
over the past few years. Some amazing ideas there Jason
54:49
and if people are listening and they want to work with you one
54:51
to one or maybe they want to book you know you as as a
54:55
wedding hypnotist for their wedding, where can they go For
54:57
more information? Well, mostly people will be
54:59
contacting me for, for my clinical stuff.
55:03
You look, if you just look up D4, the letter D and the number
55:06
4D4 clinic on, on the Internet, you'll find me there.
55:10
So that's the quickest way to get me.
55:11
Look up D4 clinic on Google and you'll find me there.
55:14
And like yourself, you know, I work at home, I work remotely, I
55:18
work all over the world. I travel all over the world
55:20
doing this stuff. And and hopefully some of your
55:23
wonderful listeners we'll we'll probably see next April at the
55:26
the Irish ship method of becoming once where I'm looking
55:28
forward to another, another talk by the fabulous Adam.
55:32
Absolutely, Jason. Thank you so much for joining me
55:34
on the show today. Thank you me.
55:35
Thank you very much for having me again.
55:36
See you later all. Take care.
55:38
Thank you so much for joining me on today's episode of The
55:42
Hypnotist. And if you've enjoyed this show
55:45
or got some benefit from it, you may know of one other friend or
55:51
family member that may also benefit from this hypnosis
55:55
session, in which case I'd like to ask a favor of you.
55:59
And that is, if you could spend 10 seconds to share this episode
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with someone that you know, that may also benefit, that would
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really help me to access new people that don't already know
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listening and I will see you again on the next episode.