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Splits lead into Thanksgiving weekend, plus looking ahead to international play · The PodKaz: USCHO Women's Hockey

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  Speaker 1: Uscho dot com. Hi again, Welcome to the podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: Todd Mleski here with Nicole Hosey from us echo dot
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  Speaker 1: com or a weekly look at NCAA Women's hockey. Nicole here.
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  Speaker 1: We are at Thanksgiving weekend, which gets us into some
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  Speaker 1: tournament play, but I want to take a quick look
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  Speaker 1: back at what we saw last weekend, which to my
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  Speaker 1: eyes was a lot of games where teams that were
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  Speaker 1: out shot ended up pulling out wins. You know, tip
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  Speaker 1: of the hap to the goalies and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: those situations. But that's you don't see that a ton
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  Speaker 1: where a team gets out shot by ten to fifteen
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  Speaker 1: shots and still is able to come out with a
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  Speaker 1: win like I saw Princeton do against Colegate, we saw
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  Speaker 1: like Colgate, then turn it around against Quinnipiac, Minnesota State,
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  Speaker 1: getting a win against Ohio State. These are all all
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  Speaker 1: games that the team has relied on good goaltending, got
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  Speaker 1: to the finish line with scoring enough goals.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, But also yeah, there were there were some good
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  Speaker 3: upsets this weekend, right, and I think to the not
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  Speaker 3: just that they were upsets, but they were again they
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  Speaker 3: were complete games from those teams that did it. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the biggest thing of that Minnesota State upstate set for
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  Speaker 3: me over number two Ohio State was that they nearly
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  Speaker 3: pulled it off the day before, and I really expected
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State to come back and sort of like really proove,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because no offense to Minnesota State, Ohio State's
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  Speaker 3: a pretty darn good team, right like when they are
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  Speaker 3: hitting on all cylinders like that's that they're literally the
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  Speaker 3: number two team in the country. So I really expected
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  Speaker 3: them to sort of buckle down and you know, sink
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  Speaker 3: Cloud State also upset Minnesota and in that first game
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  Speaker 3: they lost five too. I kind of expected sort of
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  Speaker 3: the opposite, right Like, I thought that that since they
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  Speaker 3: they Ohio State won in overtime, you know, nearly lost
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  Speaker 3: the game Ohio State had the Minnesota State had the
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  Speaker 3: game on their stick. I really just expected kind of
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  Speaker 3: a smack town and so I thought the most impressive
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  Speaker 3: part of that Minnesota State upset is just that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: they they came back after proving that they could push
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State to the very brink and then completed it
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  Speaker 3: the second day. That's that's hard to do it against
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  Speaker 3: a team like Ohio State, who's gonna you know, sort
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  Speaker 3: of regather and regroup and and have that fire to
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  Speaker 3: you know, sort of really prove their dominance. So that
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  Speaker 3: to me coming back and winning that second one was
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  Speaker 3: so much. It showed so much about the Mavericks. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it was. There were some interesting games, and I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, those teams that were out shooting, you know
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  Speaker 3: that loss, that there's just been a bit more of that,
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  Speaker 3: like sort of wildly fling the puck and see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: And I think there's a fine line there of like
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  Speaker 3: get pucks to the net, but don't just wildly fling
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  Speaker 3: the puck around and hope for the best. So I
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  Speaker 3: don't like there's there's a middle ground there that that
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  Speaker 3: takes some finesse, and I felt like maybe some of
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  Speaker 3: those teams didn't find that place right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's zoom in a little bit more on that
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State Minnesota State series. A game that went to
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  Speaker 1: overtime on Friday, Like you're saying, tied at one to one,
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  Speaker 1: Minnesota State has you know, a shot at a virtually
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  Speaker 1: empty net in the three on three hits the post.
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State goes the other way and eventually scores a
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  Speaker 1: winner through Joey donn for a two to one win.
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  Speaker 1: But like you said, Minnesota State, you know, either just
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  Speaker 1: shook that off or was even more motivated because of it.
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  Speaker 1: And on the House State side, there wasn't the push
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  Speaker 1: that maybe you thought there was going to be, because
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  Speaker 1: it ended up being four to one for the Mavericks
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday afternoon with an empty net goal. But it
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  Speaker 1: seemed like a pretty you know, a performance where they
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  Speaker 1: got thirty saves from Haley Hansen and goal and we're
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  Speaker 1: all shot thirty one to twelve. Obviously, making the most
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  Speaker 1: limited opportunities is a big thing when you're playing Ohio State,
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  Speaker 1: when you're playing in Wisconsin, when you're playing some of
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  Speaker 1: these top teams, and it seemed like that's what Mancata
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  Speaker 1: was able to do. Is maybe they did didn't get
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  Speaker 1: the the most shots of the best quality shots, but
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  Speaker 1: they when they when they got them, they ended up
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  Speaker 1: going in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, And I just thirty shots is actually quite
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  Speaker 3: low for Ohio State too, write like we're talking about
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  Speaker 3: a discrepancy, but I feel like it's not like they
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  Speaker 3: asked their goalie to to make fifty five saves. They
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  Speaker 3: held a state pretty well in check as well, so
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't. It wasn't just a matter of like praying
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  Speaker 3: on one end and getting lucky on the other. So
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  Speaker 3: I thought that that whole series is really interesting, like
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  Speaker 3: when I you know, I watched it, but watching on
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  Speaker 3: a stream, you don't get stats and things like that.
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  Speaker 3: So when I was writing the recap and I was,
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  Speaker 3: I assumed there was gonna be a ton of blocks,
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  Speaker 3: and there were there were a dozen blocks, like there
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  Speaker 3: weren't no blocks, but it wasn't the like massive number
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  Speaker 3: I thought that it was going to be in the
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  Speaker 3: shot numbers being low too. I mean, Ohio State does
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  Speaker 3: have injuries. I mean they are down I think to
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  Speaker 3: nine and forwards six, like they're they're as like lower rosters.
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  Speaker 2: They want to have, uh to put out regularly for
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  Speaker 2: a game. So there's definitely been adjustments for them.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, just a sort of a fascinating little series
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  Speaker 3: and just.
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  Speaker 2: A ton of fun to watch.
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  Speaker 3: And just wanted to shout out Taylor and Trumba because
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  Speaker 3: she's the player that missed that hit the post in
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  Speaker 3: the overtime game and then she had two goals in
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  Speaker 3: an assist on Saturday, so just you know, really love
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  Speaker 3: that for her because man, that must have been just
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  Speaker 3: heartbreaking to have the game on your stick like that,
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  Speaker 3: know that it was a massive opportunity for your team,
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  Speaker 3: and then not only that, but have it pretty much
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  Speaker 3: go directly the other direction and lose the have the
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  Speaker 3: game be lost. So it was just really excited for
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  Speaker 3: her to be able to have that comeback game as well,
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  Speaker 3: just to you know, they they We've talked about it
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  Speaker 3: kind of with some of these you know, teams towards
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  Speaker 3: the bottom of some of the conference seannings that they're
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  Speaker 3: just they're putting together really good games. It's not one offs,
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  Speaker 3: it's not lucky goals, they're you know, they're getting odd
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  Speaker 3: player rushes, they're passing really well, and like you said,
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  Speaker 3: just really taking taking their opportunities and like making the
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  Speaker 3: most of them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ohio State or on Minnesota state side, four
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  Speaker 1: points out of six and a series is you know,
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  Speaker 1: most most times is pretty good. When it's Ohio State,
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  Speaker 1: it's really good. House State now has has dropped seventeen
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  Speaker 1: points this season through fourteen games, so halfway through the
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  Speaker 1: wh A schedule, and all of last season when they
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  Speaker 1: were just ran through everyone WHA they lost eight points total.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's been more of a challenge for them,
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  Speaker 1: and like you said, the numbers haven't been there some
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  Speaker 1: of the season, they've you know, been relying it really
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  Speaker 1: on three lines. It's it's still trying to find the
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  Speaker 1: right workings. I think with the you know who plays
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  Speaker 1: with who and and introducing new people into the lineup.
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  Speaker 1: We know they're going to be there in the end,
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  Speaker 1: but right now it feels like there's a there's kind
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  Speaker 1: of a one step forward, maybe half a step back
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  Speaker 1: kind of thing with the buck Eyes.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I also think like they they've been they've
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  Speaker 3: had the privilege the last few years of things just
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  Speaker 3: kind of working really well, you know, like their lines
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  Speaker 3: were clicking, they weren't dealing with a ton of injuries
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  Speaker 3: like things I wouldn't I won't say came easy because
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  Speaker 3: we know that they worked for them. But this season
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  Speaker 3: they're having to work even harder to make the stuff
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  Speaker 3: that kind of I think came naturally the last couple
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  Speaker 3: of seasons, and that's just it's just learning pain learning
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  Speaker 3: and growing pains. And as you said, they'll be there
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  Speaker 3: at the end, they'll figure it out, but right now
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  Speaker 3: they're in that part where stuff that probably came without
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  Speaker 3: much thought in the past that just sort of worked.
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  Speaker 3: I think they really have to like drill in on
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  Speaker 3: and take the time and examine and make it happen
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  Speaker 3: in a way that maybe they haven't had two in
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  Speaker 3: recent seasons.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll get back to the State of Minnesota in
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  Speaker 1: a little while here, but let's go out the ECAC
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  Speaker 1: where Quinnipiac had another opportunity to really take some steps forward.
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  Speaker 1: Leading three to one going into the third against Cornell
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  Speaker 1: on Friday, tied one to one in the third against
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  Speaker 1: Colgate on Saturday, and they come away with well, I
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  Speaker 1: was about to say one point one and a half
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  Speaker 1: points because of the uh it goes. It ends up
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  Speaker 1: as a tie three through with Cornell on Friday and
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  Speaker 1: then a four to one loss to Colgate on Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: That's a rough couple of home that's a rough home weekend.
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  Speaker 1: You know you're gonna be challenged by those teams. But
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  Speaker 1: when you have those opportunities, like I was just saying
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  Speaker 1: with Minnesota State, you have those opportunities in that situation,
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  Speaker 1: it's you know, puck on your stick. This situation is
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  Speaker 1: tie game in the third period. You really need to
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  Speaker 1: make the most out of that, and they just weren't
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  Speaker 1: able to do this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, And it's a bit of a swap too, right,
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  Speaker 2: because a couple of weeks ago, they.
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  Speaker 3: You know, beat Clarkson pretty easily, they beat Saint Lawrence.
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  Speaker 3: They're coming you know, they're coming out of a stretch
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  Speaker 3: where like they won games that that were tough were
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  Speaker 3: going to be tough for them, and so I felt
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  Speaker 3: like they probably had pretty good confidence going into this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, the results were kind of the complete opposite.
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  Speaker 3: So I mean, I think that's the part of battling
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  Speaker 3: at the top of the ECAC. It's you know, for
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  Speaker 3: years wha fans talked about the top teams beating each
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  Speaker 3: other up, and we're seeing that in the ECAC for
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  Speaker 3: sure this year, and not just you know, one or
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  Speaker 3: two teams, but a good five or six of them
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  Speaker 3: at the top of the ECAC. But yeah, for Winnipec,
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  Speaker 3: it was just about you know, really completing that game, right,
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  Speaker 3: like playing that full sixty minutes and so maybe the
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  Speaker 3: break is coming at a good time for them, and
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  Speaker 3: just need to find that little extra bit because you know,
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  Speaker 3: they played really well, they had themselves ahead and then
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  Speaker 3: letting that sup away. I think is it's not the
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  Speaker 3: loss so much as the way the losses came about, right,
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  Speaker 3: or the loss and the tie.
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  Speaker 1: In that Saturday game, Colegates win at Quinnipiac Culty Culton
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  Speaker 1: Covia scored two goals to go into the national goal
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  Speaker 1: scoring lead with fifteen. So that's a kind of a
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're seeing those numbersuple a little bit here
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  Speaker 1: before we get to the very fifteen goals, fourteen goals
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  Speaker 1: being in the national lead, and so we're gonna we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna see that that number whoever ends up winning that
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be in the thirties again, and it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a could be a big number if if some
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  Speaker 1: of these patterns hold.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: She also it was her one hundredth career goal, and
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  Speaker 3: according to Colgate, she's the only active NCAA player with
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  Speaker 3: one hundred career goals. I didn't have a chance to
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  Speaker 3: dig super deep, but kind of went on some of
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  Speaker 3: the you know, looked at like Casey O'Brien's totals, somebody
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  Speaker 3: anybody at Colgate to see if anybody else was close,
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  Speaker 3: and yeah, I didn't find any, So I assume that
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  Speaker 3: they had that correct but yeah, that's a that's a
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  Speaker 3: pretty a massive you know, we're gonna I will get
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  Speaker 3: into some of this, but all of the fifth year players,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that are are setting new records and breaking
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  Speaker 3: old ones, are gonna have some asterisks on the side
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  Speaker 3: of those records. And you know, I think that's it
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  Speaker 3: just something that's going to happen. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm a little torn on it. I do both think
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  Speaker 3: that we want to mark that it was maybe more
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  Speaker 3: games than the other players had. But I also I
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  Speaker 3: was saying to you, I have a kind of incomplete
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  Speaker 3: thought about how see, there's some records that will never
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  Speaker 3: be beat, like NCAA records, because it used to be
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  Speaker 3: that one player dominated. You know, we weren't seeing several,
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  Speaker 3: you know, ten twenty thirty goal scorers on one team.
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  Speaker 3: There was one player getting all of those points. And
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  Speaker 3: so some of the national scoring records are just never
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  Speaker 3: going to be touched because no team is going to
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  Speaker 3: score enough goals that one person gets that total, right,
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  Speaker 3: And so I feel like maybe the fifth years evening
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  Speaker 3: something that out. I'm not sure what exactly my full
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  Speaker 3: thought is on that, but it is an interesting way
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  Speaker 3: of making some of those previously unreachable things that happened
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  Speaker 3: when it was just a very different game, you know, ten, fifteen,
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  Speaker 3: twenty years ago. Some of those records will fall now,
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  Speaker 3: and so you know, good, bad or otherwise. It's happening.
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  Speaker 3: So I think everybody needs to accept it. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's pretty cool that to be the only
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  Speaker 3: hundred goal scorer currently in the NCAA, that's that's a
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  Speaker 3: pretty impressive thing for her to reach.
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  Speaker 1: This week, Colgate came back to win that game on
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  Speaker 1: Saturday after losing the Princeton in overtime on Friday. They
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  Speaker 1: see wonder overtime goal there to get Tigers a key
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  Speaker 1: a few points in their chase, and that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: like we were talking about, this is the way that
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  Speaker 1: ec A C is going right now, is that there
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  Speaker 1: is you know, so much up and down. You're bouncing
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  Speaker 1: back and forth between the high and the low, and
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  Speaker 1: it really feels like, you know what my coaches always say,
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  Speaker 1: you try to be the one that we can consistent.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen a lot of that yet, but you
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  Speaker 1: would imagine it's the team that can process things consistently
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  Speaker 1: that's going to probably have the best chance of coming
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  Speaker 1: out of this rather than a team that you know,
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  Speaker 1: might lose one then feel so bad that it turns
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  Speaker 1: into three losses in a row.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really good point. I think it's just
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  Speaker 3: the this is the new normal for them and who
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  Speaker 3: can handle that, right, Like Colgate's won, however many conference
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  Speaker 3: titles in a row. And so if you're used to,
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  Speaker 3: you know, being how things were, you need, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: you need to be able to adapt and understand that
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  Speaker 3: you're not gonna win every game. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean we were just talking about, ohiose s date
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  Speaker 3: like struggling, and there's still the number two team in
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  Speaker 3: the country, right, so like there's room for that. And
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  Speaker 3: so as you said, you just have to process it
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  Speaker 3: and be able to take what you can from those
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  Speaker 3: and move ahead. And you know, coaches talk a lot
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  Speaker 3: about like not too high, not too low, like you
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  Speaker 3: need to go game to game and like know that
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  Speaker 3: there there are no weekends off, and I think coaches
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  Speaker 3: have always said that, but there's players know that there's
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  Speaker 3: a rhythm to the season where you're not playing one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and ten percent every weekend because it's kind of
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  Speaker 3: just not possible with the really long season, right But
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  Speaker 3: the nature of the conferences right now is that you
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  Speaker 3: really you can't take your you know, take anything off,
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  Speaker 3: and you can't you don't get to relax.
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  Speaker 2: In the same way.
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  Speaker 3: So you're gonna have to go out every weekend and
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  Speaker 3: find a way to you know, store up some energy
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  Speaker 3: and use the weeks off and the breaks to recharge.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I think it's just that's the new normal
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  Speaker 3: in women's college hockey right now, and the teams and
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  Speaker 3: the players that figure that out and how to handle
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  Speaker 3: those ups and downs and mentally and physically because again
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  Speaker 3: it's only November. This season's got several more months. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I think that's that's going to be the difference.
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  Speaker 1: Maker right right Over in Hockey East had a really
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  Speaker 1: good series Boston College and Yukon that end up in
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  Speaker 1: a split with two to one goal games. Number eleven
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  Speaker 1: BC beat number fourteen Yukon three to two on Friday,
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  Speaker 1: Louren Glazier with two goals, including the tiebreaker in the
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  Speaker 1: third period. That was a game that again Yukon had
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  Speaker 1: a thirty five twenty two shots advantage, but BC was
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  Speaker 1: able to overcome that. Then Saturday, Ashley Allard puts Yukon
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  Speaker 1: had to one in the third and that era sorry
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  Speaker 1: in the second period, and that ends up being the
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  Speaker 1: final score. The points are split there. Uh, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: one of those situations now where you know, everyone's still
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  Speaker 1: chasing beu in in hockey so and it's been It's
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  Speaker 1: not like they're that far separated out from everyone else,
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  Speaker 1: but it does you know, weekends that are split give
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  Speaker 1: be you a chance to you know, keep that top
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  Speaker 1: spot for a while, and for a team that wasn't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily expected to be there. Uh, maybe playing with house
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  Speaker 1: money a little bit, feels like they if they can
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  Speaker 1: go into the break in the in the top spot
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  Speaker 1: in Hockey East, that's a pretty nice looking position for them.
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  Speaker 1: But what did you think about BC and Yukon. I guess,
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  Speaker 1: going with that one.
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  Speaker 3: First, mostly just how easiely matched they were, right, And
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  Speaker 3: I also thought like so BC had the series last
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  Speaker 3: weekend with BU and that was a little more like
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  Speaker 3: run and gun, right.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lot of up and down the ice.
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  Speaker 3: I thought the particularly the Saturday game where Connecticut took
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  Speaker 3: the lead in the second and just held it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: for twenty plus minutes, was just really interesting. It's not
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  Speaker 3: what we've seen from these teams and b C, it's
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  Speaker 3: hard to keep BC to one goal at this point.
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  Speaker 3: So I thought that was a really great effort from
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  Speaker 3: from Connecticut. And again it wasn't just you know, one
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  Speaker 3: goalie performance or things like that. So I think that
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  Speaker 3: will be taped that a lot of other Hockey East
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: teams will be watching just to see to kind of
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: how to slow b C down a little bit. But
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: also I think, just interestingly, like those last two series
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: with BC have been home and homes, and the home
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: team is won i think every game, and then that
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: happened with Saint Cloud in Minnesota too in that split
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: this weekend. So uh, I don't put a ton in
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: home versus a way like the good teams need to
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: win everywhere. And you know, it's just not like a
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: thing that I followed too much in terms of like
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: does it mean, what does it mean?
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Who's playing where?
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: But it is something I've noticed the last couple of weeks,
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: particularly with these home We've had a bunch of home
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: and home series. Interestingly, the home team is pulled out,
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: So something I'll be keeping an eye on and see
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: if those splits continue to make a difference. In influence.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: You know, how I expect a team to do and
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: then then how they actually do.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: Let's go back to Minnesota and Saint Cloud State. That
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: was Minnesota winning at home on Friday five to two,
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Abby Murphy with a hat trick there, but Saint Cloud
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: getting the split in the series in Saint Cloud on
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Saturday with a three to one win. Sorry for to
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: one three one might have written this down Row, I'm
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: gonna have to look this up. Well, while we're talking
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: about either way, it was. It was a game where
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Minnesota was you know, I had the again had the
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: shots on goal advantage. It was three one. I was
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: right the first time. And Sonni a Hola makes thirty
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: eight saves as when the Gophers had a thirty nine
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: to twenty eight shots on goal advantage. Again, a goalie
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: can get you very far in hockey. And uh, that
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: was an opportunity for Saint Cloud to show it like
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: they have a lot of times, maybe not always aginst
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the top teams, wha, but occasionally that too.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Well, interestingly, in that one, I mean the Gophers had
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: twenty three shots in the first period, which is just
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: a massive shot total, and then just eight in each
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: of the successive two periods, so a really interesting like
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: EBB and flow to that game, right and good for
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Saint Cloud's for sort of weathering that first period. I
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: think that probably the momentum and being able to to
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: sort of keep that in check and allowed Saint Cloud
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: to build from there right like they were. They got
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: out of the first with no score and then you know,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I mean they scored three in a row like Minnesota's
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: goal came came in the third. So yeah, again, both
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: this and the Minnesota Sato House t came it. They
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Saint Cloud held the game from start to finish, right
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: like they they weathered sort of the push from Minnesota,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: and then they were the ones scoring the goals and
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: they got I mean, they got some lucky bounces as well.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: They're the two of their shots deflected into the net.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: But you know, you also have to be in the
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: right position and putting the pucks to the front of
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: the debt for that to happen. So sometimes you just
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: get the puck luck. It's not as though they weren't
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: you know, they weren't putting, they weren't making the shots
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: that they need to be made. But yeah, for me,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: both of those upsets were interesting in that I think
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: the team that won was controlling more of the game
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: that you than you would expect based on who they
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: were playing.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, any other thoughts from this last weekend before we
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: take a quick break, Yeah, I.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Just wanted to You were sort of talking about like
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: the splits and one team, you know, being able to
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: control things more. Sacred Heart two big wins over Franklin,
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: Pierce and lu did not get all of their points
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: this weekend, right, they tied Post and so, yeah, they
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: left some points on the table and that allowed Sacred
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: Hard to open up a little bit more of a
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: lead in nu Hat. So I just thought that was interesting.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: It was something I noted when I was doing some
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: recaps and things just kind of as you mentioned, like
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: it opened late, like it gave you a little bit
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: more breathing room when the teams below of them are
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: kind of fighting against each other. And I thought that
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: was a good sort of statement weekend of taking those
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: two big wins from Fink and Pears for Sacred Heart,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: so gave themselves that's still a pretty close race in
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: New Hub, but to give themselves a little bit of
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: a gap.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Well, when we come back we will discuss some of
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: the rosters that have been released by Canada, US and
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: other countries for the six Nations tournament. So stay with
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: us on the podcast. Welcome back to the podcast. Top
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Loski here with Nicole Hosey and let's talk a little
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: bit of international hockey. We've got a a new event
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: to look into this holiday break. I guess the sixth
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Nations Tournament that is happening in Finland and it starts
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: December eleventh, goes through the fifteenth. The US, Canada, Checchia, Finland,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Switzerland and Sweden all part of that event. And we've
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: seen some rosters come out of the US and Canada
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: and you know, dominated of of course, it's a kind
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: of a developmental tournament, so the college players abound on
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: those those two rosters, but also on I believe you
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: said it was a check yet that had theirs out
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: as well, and seeing some players who are either in
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: college or headed towards college being part of that group
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: as well. What's uh, what are you looking forward to
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: out of this tournament? First of all, and then we'll
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: get into the rosters a little bit later, but this
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: this seems like a really just cool event. To have
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: in in December for college players.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean just going back. The euro Hockey Tour
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: apparently is a big deal on the men's side. I
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: say apparently, like a European Hockey b men's hockey not
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: at all my wheelhouse. But when I interviewed CHECKI Women's
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: GM Treesa Sadalova at Worlds last year, she was looking
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: forward to the fact that they were doing euro Hockey
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: Tour with the women this year. So this is something
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: that's been happening outside of this particular. So like when
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: the international break happened in the US and Canada, we're
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: doing rivalry series. Several of these teams were playing euro
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Hockey Tour games, So this isn't the first.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: This is sort of happening.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: It's wedged into part of the euro Hockey Tour that
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: some of the European teams are playing, and they invited
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: us in Canada to this one, and the teams all
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: agree that this should be sort of a developmental area.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: So I think that's really cool. I think, you know,
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: you and I both talked to IHF and asked about,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you know, are we gonna get World Juniors for girls?
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: And I mean that was a couple of summers ago,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: but we got a non answer. And you know, I've
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: asked Luke Tardifigan, you know, in subsequent years, and he
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: keeps sort of saying wait and be patient. And I
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: think that's clear that the federation said, well, we don't
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: want to be patient and we'll do it ourselves. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I think that's what's happening here, is that there is
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: just that gap between you eighteen and the senior national team.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: We've got stuff with the PDA. There's just so many
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: more opportunities for players and to like sort of lose
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: that development and not be able to act like we
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: can have touch a player at seventeen and either she
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: needs to go straight to the senior national team or
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: she just sort of gets lost.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: In the middle.
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: You know that that's such a waste of talent and
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: it's not something that they would ever do on the
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: men's side. And so I think kudos to the federations
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: who obviously just made this decision that like, we need
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: to do this ourselves. And so, as you said, the
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: two US and Canada rosters are full of college players,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: like that's all that's on it. And then the Canada
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: or the Chechia roster is interesting because it does have
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: some of the younger players, but the younger players are
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: the players we should say, they are players that are
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: committed to have not yet played the NCAA, not necessarily seventeen,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: like there is some interesting several of them are you know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: playing in Sweden and other places, and when they enroll
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: as nca freshmen will not be necessarily eighteen year old freshmen.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, it's a you know that, I think
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: several recognizable names on the Czechi roster, not and not
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: just from international play players that have already played in
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: the NCAA. I'm not sure what age range was decided
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: upon things like that, but yeah, it's just really exciting
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: to see.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I hope that it's successful.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I hope that it does what the federations wanted it
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: to do, because it's just this massive opportunity in a
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: massive gap worldwide that we are not feeling, and that
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: is a problem in the US and Canada as well.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: So I am also thankful that it's not just that
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: those two North American nations doing something, but that we're
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: we're seeing this as a push across you know, six
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: six countries.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: So the Rivalry series is great along those lines for
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: what it does in November taking up that four Nations
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: window that had been there. But it was better when
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it was the four Nations, when you had more countries
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and bringing bringing other countries up along with you. I
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: felt like it was a big part of that. And
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you know, now it's a rivalry series. It's basically, well,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: we're we're making each other better here, But that doesn't
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: necessarily help the next tier of teams that we want.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: We all want to see develop more as countries as
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: as women's hockey playing countries. We've lost a little bit
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: of that. So to your point, this is a really
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: great opportunity to to build some of that back at
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: at a younger age and in some respect. But going
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: back to your point about that conversation we had at
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the u U eight teens a couple of summers go
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: here in Madison with Luke Tardiff. I remember that being
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: and I remember you asking about this and he was
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: saying about patients, and I had in my head at
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: that point like, okay, it's good, you know, you'll be patient,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: and that's fine, you know, for the you know, for
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: his perspective, but that also means you're probably saying, let's
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: let other people take care of this and then we'll
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: just kind of jump in when it needs sanctioning or
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: something like that, because that's really the way these things happen.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: It's it becomes a there's too much pressure to do it, uh,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: and one of the country takes a lead. Others jump
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: along and it becomes a thing, and then all of
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: a sudden there's an I double IHF stamp on it
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: and it has a logo and things like that, and
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: it becomes an event. And maybe this is something that
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: follows along those lines.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I don't want to give him too much credit because
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of thoughts, but I will say that,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: particularly in a post COVID universe that IHEF had a
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: small staff. They there was lost money there, you know,
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: all of that sort of stuff. I do think they
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: leave a lot on the table, particularly on the women's side,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: but that's you know, I'm trying to be a equin
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: amused here, but they he basically yeah, basically was like, well,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: we don't want to grow too fast and then fail
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: and like at some point, sir, like just just do
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: the thing. Like there's this huge women's sports move maybe
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: you know, be a part of that. But yeah, I
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: will say I do get just from a like, while
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: they are the governing body, they are actually quite a small,
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: you know operation, and the yeah, they do kind of
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: need the countries to take, uh, you know, the lead
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: on things. But also like you're you are the leader,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: you're the governing body.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: It's it's a tough situation.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't love Obviously, it was great that
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: when we got you eighteens in Madison and that that
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: opened up a whole thing and journey for me to
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: be really becovering you eighteens. So I'm always me thankful
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: for that, But I really hated that they basically were like, well,
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: if you want to have the tournament, you figure it out. Like, no,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: you're the governing body. You're the one that's still holding
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: the men's and boys tournaments. Like you're the one that's
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: making decisions that are not like equitable to the players
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: that have to fall under your umbrella and don't have
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: a choice about it. And so yeah, I mean I
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: remember seething a little when he like Luke's laughing and
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: it's just you and I and him and you know,
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: in a hallway and he's like, well, we just need
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: to be Haitian and I was like, ugh, I have
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: so many not nice words to say right now. And
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: you know, again, that was two and a half two
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: years ago, two and a half years ago, that was
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: the summer of twenty twenty two, and we haven't seen
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: growth or change from the IHF in any of that
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: sort of stuff. So the fact that the federations had
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: to do with themselves, I mean, not all that surprising.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I before we go on too much of
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: our ant on that, I guess I just yeah, I
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: both understand that it is a fairly small entity and
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: also think that they managed to do plenty of stuff
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: for the men and boys, and so I have little
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: patience with him and these sort of like oh we
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: can't grow too fast, we can't do too much sort
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: of platitudes.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: There's a comparison in my mind to be made between
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the double IHF and the NCAA, and that that both
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: run really really big events on the men's side that
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: make a lot of money. We know that, and that's
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: where a lot of money comes from that pays for
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of other sports. We know that, we understand
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: that but there's also a when things kind of turn
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: negative towards them, it's like, well, we're just a membership organization.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: It's really the the in the NCAA's case, it's the
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: the schools that make these decisions, or in the wahf's case,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: it's well, it's the countries that are making the decisions.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: So that that's kind of the way I look at
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: them as being a little bit of the same type
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: of entity there. But there's some some good things, some
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: bad things about that kind of comparison, I.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Guess, yeah.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: And I would just say too that, like I just
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: get really hung up on the like, well, this makes
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: money and that doesn't, and like you have to there
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: has to be buy in. I mean, I think, you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: I've probably ranted about this before, and we talked about
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: like we are, what three four years away from the
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Women's CU eighteens being broadcast on a fish eye lens
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: camera like a ring Norbelle camera that in the ra
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: in Slovakia, and.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: So like, gee, I'm chocked that this is not an
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: event that like.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's not broadcast, it's only you know, only
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: broadcasts because Canada sends TSN and then ESPN buys t
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: you know TSN's feed, and then sometimes it's on ESPN.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I just there has to be in all women's sports.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: There's just this complete lack of understanding that, like the
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: product you put out isn't very good. There aren't always
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: very good commentators. I'm not saying just on you eighteens.
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: This is I'm not picking on anyone from ts but
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: like when you don't have great production, when you like
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: don't have knowledgeable people doing the stuff. When you don't
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: you know, there's not packages of information, you know, when
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: you're reading the same bits of information over and over
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: because you just got like one research sheet. All of
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: that happens in women's sports. I mean it's changing, it
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: has changed a bit, but I mean all of that
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: stuff leads into whether or not people are going to
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: watch something. If it's not a good production, that it's
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: not going to happen, and so, you know, I just
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: people really sort of underestimate or don't think about, like
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: the poor process of putting out women's hockey. Like I've
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: been talking about, like the watching streams that look like
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: they're taking place in the dark, and then they're like, well,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: people aren't watching and it's like, well, yeah, I mean,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: I'm an idiot that's got three streams on because you know,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: like this is my job. But like I wouldn't want
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: to watch that either, you know. So when we talked
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: about the price of having the you know, different subscriptions
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: to watch all the NCAA games. Anyway, the moral of
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: the story is it's like, well, it doesn't make money,
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: like you have to you have to invest, You have
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: to make it a product that people want to watch.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: The hockey itself is great. You don't have to do
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: anything there.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: You don't have to convince people if you gave it
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: a production value that was worth people putting on their television,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: and explain who the players were, you know, understood, like
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: any of the histories, you can say so and so
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: is being is committed here and they're going to go
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: play with somebody that they already played with.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Like, not being able to.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Provide any of that doesn't make it an interesting broadcast.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: That's why people aren't watching.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Right, And we should give credit to TSN for what
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: they've done for the yest thing, for elevating the broadcast
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: of so much international women's hockey over the last few
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: years to a point where you do expect high quality
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: out of those productions, and then so when you don't
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: get that, it really is a stark kind of slap
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: in the face of like, oh I remember this now.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: So I think that's that's an important part of this too,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: is that someone has stopped up and gotten sponsors and
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: done the legwork on that.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: It's production value and it's not them that and.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: More attempts to find sponsors here on this side of
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: the border too.
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: I would also say though that like TSN didn't send
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: any they sent cameras and production crew to Switzerland last year,
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: but they did all of their commentating and everything from
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: in house. So that did mean that like at U
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: eighteen's the twenty four in Switzerland, I was pretty much
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: the only English speaking reporter there. So it was me
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: and the person that works for the IHF that produces
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: the content for their tournament website, and we were the
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: two people in the mix zone. Now, there were occasionally
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: people from the various countries participating, but like it's not great,
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: you know, like you're you're not gonna be able to
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: storytell when it's the production guys just shoving a camera
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: at you know, a seventeen year old and hoping that
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: she said something fun. You know, so I will put
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: that small asterisk on it, and I do get it,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: and blessed tis n for what they do because nobody
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: would get to see any of this. But I also,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: you know, like they're the game that they lost to
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: check you in the semifinals that wasn't broadcast live, so
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: there's still plenty of work to be done. It's it's
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: obviously a major soap box for us, and I will
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: say too, as far as I understand this, Six Nations
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: will not be broadcast anywhere. I did ask somebody at
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: USA Hockey and they understood that there will be a
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Finland feed stream, so you would need a VPN to
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: be able to watch it. So, as far as I understand,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: that was what we knew as of last week. Could
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: that change, absolutely, somebody could pick something up. But when
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I did ask if this was going to be available
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: to watch, I was told a finish stream and you
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: would need a VPN.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: To watch it, so as much as I because.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my dms are open. Yeah.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: So on the one hand, this tournament's great and in
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: a nutshell, you know, the the development is awesome and
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: that's the most important part here. But it is, you know,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: frustrating all people. As soon as it's announced, people are
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: asking how to watch it, and that means that you're
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: missing out that it's not being broadcast.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: So that's in Finland, the UA teens also in Finland.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: Then in January, so it's a busy, busy Yeah.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I leave New Year's Eve day, so I'll be in
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: it is uh in the suburbs of Helsinki, so yeah,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: so I will be there the whole time, covering the
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: whole tournament.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Very interesting, exciting set up. This year. There are several
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: off days.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: Like last year there was only one day in the
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: entirety of the tournament with no games, and that's not
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: happening here, so we'll have some longer days that'll be interesting.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I will cover that whole thing over at
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: the Victory Press, the other website that I write for,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: and so definitely come over follow us there if you subscribe.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: I will do things like post postgame interview video, so
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: like talking to the player's post game in the mixed zone,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: which I just think is a kind of a fun
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: behind the scenes thing that people get to see.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Hard to believe that is I'm basically a month away.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: You will definitely talk more about that when as that
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: gets closer, so make sure you hang around with that later.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I guess we didn't really dig in on the rosters.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: The one thing I would say I thought was interesting
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Canada Chloe Primorano is not on the roster either. They
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: are I mean, these are all development players. These are
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: not players that we have seen playing with the senior
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: national team. So either that was the decision, but we
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: also went and looked Chloe is still eligible for the
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: U eighteens, and so it's possible, knowing that the eighteen
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: tournament is two weeks later, that she is not doing
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: this development camp and would be named to the U
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: eighteen roster because the way that the rule is written,
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: she turns eighteen January second, and as long as you
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: turn eighteen in the calendar year of the tournament season,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: which lasts obviously till April or whatever when Senior Women's
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Worlds is that she is still eligible. So my guess
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: it's it's one of those two things. It's either they
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: didn't put anybody from the senior national team, you know,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: on their list, which the US did so again just
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: different approaches and interesting or it's that she's playing you eighteens.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that US roster, we've were seeing players that
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: you know, we've seen with the national team before, like
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you mentioned or just recently in the Robbers. There's a
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: lot of people back from that because that was a
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I think there were what thirteen current college
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: players something like that, and the rivalry series roster. I'm
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: looking at all of them included on this this list.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: I don't have enough the top of my hand, but
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of those names. Yeah, I mean
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's part of the group. I mean it's
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: you know, the the Abby Murphy is, like Case O'Brien's.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: It's these players that you've seen, right, those chances in
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: the last couple of years.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: La Janeckey, Sims, Joy Dunne.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so those players are all here, which is
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: interesting and like arguably taking up roster spots, like maybe
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: there could be more people getting more developed, you know,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: half dozen, one six or the other. Like who knows
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: your approach, But yeah, I did think it was interesting
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: just to note that this is sort of a mix
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: for Team USA and Hockey Canada's roster. Is is pretty
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: much sort of U eighteen graduate standouts currently in college
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: as opposed to players that had spent any time with
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: the senior team. Nicole Gossling maybe the.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Only one, right, Yeah, So there's, uh, there's some intrigue
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: in in in that how it's gonna turn on and
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I guess what the what these federations try to get
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: out of it. We talked about that a little bit
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: in the Rivalry series a few weeks ago. Right different, right,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: which is.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Which is either good nor bad? Just interesting to note,
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I think definitely.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's uh, look at the the international landscape. When
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: we come back, let's talk about what's coming up in
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: NCAA hockey this weekend for Thanksgiving weekend. Stay with us
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: on the podcast again. Welcome back to the podcast. Todd
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Laski here along with Nicole Hosey. Let's look at what's
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: coming up this week. There's some post Thanksgiving tournaments, one
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the Nutmeg Classic, the for Connecticut team playing off that
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: one at Sacred Heart this year. There's the Nashville Showcase
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: happening in Nashville, Merrimack, Penn State, Clarkston, Sat Thomas and
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that one. But there's also some what might be interesting
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: East West matchups going on non conference play over this weekend.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: One of them is a matchup of a coach and
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: one of his former players. That's Mark Johnson and everyone
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Wisconsin going out the main and that being Molly Ankstrom's team.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: And she was a really dependable player for the Badger's
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: team there over four years and ended up being on
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: an Olympic team with Mark Johnson, I believe in twenty ten,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna ask that.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: I was like, I think that's the same timing.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: And you know, so there's a lot of connections there.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Maine's trying to build, we know that Wisconsin is well built.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: So maybe it might not be the most competitive series
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: on the ice, but there's that interesting connection of a
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: coach and a former player being on the benches next
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: to each other. I guess depending on where you are
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: across from each other.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd imagine Mark would have lots to say about,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: you know, being old and coaching against former players. But
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: I think just from a like you know, zooming out,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: like from a concept of the growth of women's hockey,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: it's really great that we've got these former players, this
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: next generation sort of moving behind the bench and helping
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: to continue to grow the game. So it's just it's
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: really good to see these former players. I feel like
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: we've sort of had that first group of the players
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: that played in the late nineties early two thousands when
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: the NCAA started sanctioning and the first Olympics, and so
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: now this is sort of that like second wave of
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: players that we're seeing more and more get behind some
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: of the benches. So I just think that's really exciting,
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: and I hope we continue to see. You know, we've
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: seen some even more current players be hired as consultants
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: and things in the ped up, so good to keep
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: building and exciting.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: I think Vermont playing at Minnesota Duluth and Saint Cloud
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: State going to Union or some of the other East
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: West series this weekend, but it's also Minnesota State playing
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: at Dartmouth, and Dartmouth coach coach mor Kroll obviously knows
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit about playing Minnesota State from her time
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: in the w c CHA at Duluth.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, normally I think that would be a
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: sort of a matchup where a team like Dartmouth just
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: isn't super familiar with like that style of play, and
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: you know it would have to watch a lot of tape.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: So I just think it gets a little more interesting
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: because she's so familiar with the sort of grind it
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: down defense style of it that Minnesota State can play.
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: So just yeah, I made that series a little more
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: interesting and I think could be fun to watch. I Dartmouth,
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like, is like on the trajectory. You know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: we've talked about Brown a bunch and how much they've grown.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: I feel like Dartmouth is in that sort of same trajectory,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: maybe a few steps behind it. So I think they're
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: a team to watch for what they can do, you know,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: in the next couple of years, particularly once More has
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: been there a few more years. But I just I
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: like some of their really young players. I like Mikaela Hesseva,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: their goalie from Chechia, And yeah, I just I think
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: that could be fun to see how those two it's
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know. East West games are always just nice
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: to see. It helps us get a better concept of
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: how teams would possibly match up as we head towards
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: the postseason. Right, So even if these games individually aren't like, oh,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I you know, Union Ver Saint Cloud's going to tell
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: me something we now Union has played against other teams
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: in the conference, and so we can.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Sort of extrapolate some of that stuff.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: So yeah, and also just makes the sort of NPI
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: in those calculations more robust, right.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Right, got a crosstown rivalry gain the Mayor's Cup between
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Brown and Providence, that one being at Providence this year,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: that happening Saturday afternoon, and that's uh, you know, Brown's
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: had a little bit of a stumble last few weeks
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and looking to get back going, and no better time
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to do it than rivalry series in Providence. Looking to
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: kind of keep things you know, going in the right
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: direction there too.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've had some of the quite a few I
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: think overtime games, right, and so they've just there there
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: feels like they're a team a little bit on the
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: verge and trying to find find their sort of their footing.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: So they're just over five hundred, but you know, play
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: they're Yeah, there are last four games they wanted to shootout,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: lost in a shootout, want in a shootout, and one
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: in overtime. So maybe they'll just be looking for like
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: a nice easy game. But I think you know, it's
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: uh again, another team that I think can we can
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: see what's coming for them, right, Like it's not going
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: to be this year, next year, but I think there's
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: there's improvement and growth there and so yeah.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: And then in Hockey East, a game that's on Nissan
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Saturday night, Boston College at Northeastern. That should be a
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a good look at some teams that you know are
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: kind of hanging in the periphery there or kind of
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: in that that next little group in in Hockey East
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: and looking to make a run for sure.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: And we should note that they they did announce that
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: the women's beam Pot will be played at TD Garden again,
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: which was really successful lst year. So this is a
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: little bit of a preview of some of that, right
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: and putting those to those two teams on nesson and
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: pretty exciting. I like, who knows what's going to happen.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: I think that's one of those fun rivalry games that
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: like we have we kind of have no idea how
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: it's going to play out, but I expect it to
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: be really hard fought, and uh, that's what's you know.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: That feels like a great way to spend my Saturday
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: of the holiday weekend as far as I'm concerned, and.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: We should mention before we go that the p DOUP
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: starts this weekend and second season for the p w HL.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: A couple of games going on. I think you've got the.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Saturday at to eastern, we've got Boston at Toronto,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: and then at five Eastern Ottawa at Montreal. And then
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: on Sunday at five Central it's New York at Minneso
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: and Minnesota will be doing a banner raising and they've
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: got they're gonna be doing some live media, live podcasts beforehand.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Lots of stuff around happening for that, and then yeah,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: then we're off.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Right. There's a game Tuesday, two games Wednesdays.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: So at the moment, all in the US, all those
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: games will be on YouTube.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: There's different.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: Broadcast things happening in Canada, so depending on what you
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: subscribe to and where you are, you should look that
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: all up, because I admit I don't know that off
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: the top of my head, but yeah, I mean, the
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: thing that I loved most about the pub last year,
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: you know, like from when they first announced that there
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: were so few weekend games there were weeknight games, I
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, I don't know, but man, was it
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: nice to be able to put on a game pretty
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: much every night of the week. And yeah, so coming up,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: we've got you know, two games Saturday, Sunday, Tuesday to
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Wednesday Friday and we're off and so yeah, it's it's exciting.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: It feels like it took forever to get for this
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: season to start. You know, they've kind of been releasing
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: little bits of information every couple of weeks to keep
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: it at the forefront, and so then I'm like.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, but when are we actually playing?
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: So pretty exciting waivers worn outs tonight, so uh, there's
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: like a twenty four hour free agent signing I believe,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: and then official rosters are due Wednesday. So yeah, that's
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: that's pretty exciting.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it feels like you know, when when
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: the NCAA schedule starts at the end of September and
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: you do have to wait too.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: You're waiting for for the p W Everybody.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I understand, you know, I understand that there's there's six
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: teams of schedules. The more compressed that it doesn't you
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: don't needed to play out over that long of a season,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: So get away from the busier times of the year
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and and play the meat of your schedule in in
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: the winter and when when it's going to be hockey season,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: then you have more eyes on hockey. So I do
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: enjoy that concept.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and like as opposed to trying to sort
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: of squeeze it in with the college stuff and then
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: in before Worlds, they're just going to take that break.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, very excited for them. Excited. You know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: it was really successful first year. I think it's hard
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: to remember that it's only been a year, right, Like
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: they had one season and so still still growing, still
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: a little fledging, and so I think it's amazing, Like,
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: don't take it for granted that it's here, and make
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: sure that you keep following and watching the games and supporting.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: And yeah, I'm just I'm really excited that at this
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: point it feels just completely natural, like it's just a
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: given that we have this professional league, and so yeah,
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: it's it's really good for the game. It's really good progress.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: So keep supporting, keep following, particularly since it's in particularly
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: in the US, so easy to watch all the free
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: streams right there on YouTube.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Absolutely well, given that it's Thanksgiving week, I want to
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: say Happy Thanksgiving to all of our American listeners. We
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: should have said it to our Canadian listeners back in October.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: That's my bad. I'll own that one. But Happy American
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Thanksgiving to everyone, and we appreciate your listening and to
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: you and your family as well, Nicole.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you as well to our listeners, you know, and
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: we hope you have a relaxing a couple of days.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: The definitely a lot of feelings that can come up
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: with Thanksgiving, so we hope that you find time to
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: spend uh with the people that you like and love
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: whoever they are.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Kin love, yes, exactly. That's a good way of putting it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Awesome for Nicole, I'm Todd. Thanks for listening to the podcast.