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ITB Contract Series: Cost Efficiency At Safety Helping Eagles – For Now · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is.
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  Speaker 2: Back, what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Everybody is Jeff Mosher, Adam Kaplan and this is it.
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  Speaker 2: This is the finale. We finish off.
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  Speaker 1: Our long but very insightful, really interesting discussion contract podcast
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  Speaker 1: series Eagles Contract Podcast Series. We're gonna finish it up
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  Speaker 1: looking at safeties. We've done this by position group. I
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  Speaker 1: think has been really enlightening. I think it's allowed us
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  Speaker 1: to really understand what the Eagles look future or current
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  Speaker 1: looks like, and what it's gonna look like in the future.
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  Speaker 1: Who's gonna be easy to assign, who's gonna be difficult
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  Speaker 1: to assign? All the difficult decisions that will go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: So we will finish us off with safety in this podcast.
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  Speaker 1: But there was some transactional news that we also wanted
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  Speaker 1: to get to. We have discussed a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: the aj Epenesa signing and then in the aftermath the
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  Speaker 1: retirement of.
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  Speaker 2: Joe Tryon Shoyinka.
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  Speaker 1: There were a couple of you know, we mentioned a
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  Speaker 1: couple of guys at him, like Gutavius Brown and DeVante Parker,
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  Speaker 1: but there were a couple we forgot, like Miles Jack.
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  Speaker 2: Miles Jack retired, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then the one Alexander last you forgot about that
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  Speaker 3: one that that was so strange, that one.
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  Speaker 2: Which one I forgot? Oh yeah, yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: When he retired and he practiced once apparently we understand
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  Speaker 3: he practiced well, and then and he was bothered him
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  Speaker 3: again and that was it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That that that that that and that tells you a
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  Speaker 3: lot about when you're when you don't you've got one
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  Speaker 3: play when player's a stud. But on the other side,
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  Speaker 3: you're struggling and you're depending on a guy like JayR.
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  Speaker 3: Alexander has had massive injury problems mm hmm. Like you
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  Speaker 3: don't want ever be in that position, so that that's
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  Speaker 3: what happens. Sometimes you get desperate. The Phillies are going
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  Speaker 3: through that right now. If you're a Phillies fan with
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  Speaker 3: all their needs, for sure, you know they haven't solved
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  Speaker 3: the outfield thing in five years.
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  Speaker 5: It's longer, yeah yeah, yeah, but.
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  Speaker 3: It's pat you don't want to go, you don't want
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  Speaker 3: to patchwork. That's what how he had done at corner back.
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  Speaker 3: Now he's trying with Reek Wolan. We you know, we
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  Speaker 3: talked about his situation on the other show. But the
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  Speaker 3: safety position, it's a little bit of patchwork. It's I know,
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  Speaker 3: you can't the one has a perfect roster, but this
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  Speaker 3: is one. This has become a little bit the new
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  Speaker 3: linebacker for them in a minor way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's hopefully no we will retire on them
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  Speaker 1: in the Yeah, well that would be yeah, yeah, exactly,
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  Speaker 1: but oh on epiness.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's kind of funny. They essentially gave him the
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  Speaker 3: exact same contract. Now it's not essentially it is dollar
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  Speaker 3: to dollar, the same contract that gave to Joe try
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  Speaker 3: On Shayinka.
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  Speaker 1: Which was basically guaranteed what like six hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 1: five thousand.
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  Speaker 3: Was you're close, yeah, one, The exact number is one
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  Speaker 3: point four oh two five, so just barely over one
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  Speaker 3: point four million. Uh, they guaranteed six hundred and sixty
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  Speaker 3: two five, so you know, just around half of the
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  Speaker 3: money just replaced one guy for another.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that.
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  Speaker 3: What it probably tells you is he probably informed them
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  Speaker 3: either sinking or was going to retire. But last weekend,
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  Speaker 3: because remember when he missed the two the two mandatory
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  Speaker 3: days and nothing got out. It's just odd for for
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  Speaker 3: if they don't, because usually they'll let the reporters know
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  Speaker 3: that it's excused nothing either got out and that was
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  Speaker 3: it for him.
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  Speaker 4: And then Epodessa.
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  Speaker 3: You know, as we talked about before, he had a
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  Speaker 3: one year, five million dollar deal with the Browns didn't
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  Speaker 3: pass the physical.
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  Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about that, which.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about this in our nine years, it is
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  Speaker 3: fascinating where like one team goes, oh, well, we can't,
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  Speaker 3: we can't do this, we can't, we don't like his knee, right,
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  Speaker 3: and then the other teams we're fine with it. Now
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  Speaker 3: obviously they're paying much less, but that's not the point, right.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know how much the Browns had guaranteed in
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  Speaker 2: that five years.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. Yeah, it's a good question, but I
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  Speaker 4: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think so. I think there's a misconception about the
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  Speaker 2: epinessa signing.
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  Speaker 1: And I was having this conversation with Josh hanneget our
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  Speaker 1: Partners ninety seven to three ESP because he was sort
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  Speaker 1: of he thought it was like one of those shrewd
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  Speaker 1: type of offseason signings, like a le Garrett Blunt or
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  Speaker 1: a Chris Long, where this guy's got a legit shot
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  Speaker 1: to make the fifty three. And I think if you
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  Speaker 1: look at Epines's career and how he played with the Bills,
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  Speaker 1: and you know the fact that he was it was.
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  Speaker 2: A Day two pick, right, he was a tech center
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  Speaker 2: und pick.
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  Speaker 1: I can understand why people would think that, but we
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  Speaker 1: always say the contract will tell you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this guy was out there for a while.
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  Speaker 1: The Browns try to sign him only to a one
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  Speaker 1: year deal, didn't like what they saw, didn't sign him,
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  Speaker 1: and then the Eagles basically signed him after they realized
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  Speaker 1: Tryon Shoyinka, who was a long shot to make the team,
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  Speaker 1: was probably not going to be with the team. So
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  Speaker 1: to me, Epinessa is as long of a long shot
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  Speaker 1: as he can now. If he plays well, if he's healthy.
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  Speaker 2: Sure he does have a good background, but I wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: if I'm.
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  Speaker 1: If you're a fan, if you're a big follower of
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles and you do your own fifty three man's
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  Speaker 1: or if you thought this was kind of one of
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  Speaker 1: those Chris Long, Legarrett, no kay Beck, and it's not that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this guy's got a long, long climb to
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  Speaker 2: make the fifty three.
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  Speaker 3: He's not a good pass rusher, He's he's gotten better
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  Speaker 3: at it. That's talking to some people in pro personnel.
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  Speaker 3: He's a really good run defender. He was drafted to
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  Speaker 3: play the left defensive end for the Bills and their
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  Speaker 3: forty three front or Sean McDermott. So here this is
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  Speaker 3: a little different where they Eagles run an odd man front.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, you you made a good point when
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  Speaker 3: we talked about him earlier this week, is that he
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  Speaker 3: could play a nickel. You could play him inside if
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  Speaker 3: you want. Now, obviously you have to take somebody off
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  Speaker 3: the field. But he's It's a depth sign, is what
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  Speaker 3: he is. It's a depth signing. We'll see if he
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  Speaker 3: could push because right now they know who the four
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  Speaker 3: edges are, Grenard, Hunt, Smith and Epiquetty the only dress
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  Speaker 3: for so unless someone gets hurt, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: The other guy is not gonna play.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to be an active So honestly, Epinessa makes
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  Speaker 3: way more sense to be in the practice squad, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, so we'll see what happensolutely, we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Let's start our discussion with with a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a carryover for anybody who may not have
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  Speaker 1: caught yet corner or nickel that we did in the
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  Speaker 1: last podcast and any of our conversation about Cooper to
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  Speaker 1: gen but Cooper to Gene is gonna be a safety
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  Speaker 1: slash nickel this year. And I suppose theoretically at him
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  Speaker 1: he could play really well at safety, and then maybe
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  Speaker 1: they really like what they see. This is a hypothetical
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  Speaker 1: based on the conversation of contract. Right, Let's say they
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  Speaker 1: really like what they see out of a Michael Carter
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  Speaker 1: junior or a mac McWilliams. There's somebody in that nickelback
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  Speaker 1: spot for the following year they like, and they want
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  Speaker 1: to keep Cooper to Gene at safety next to Macouba.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of contract would that help the Eagles financially?
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  Speaker 1: Because now you're we talked about his comp being Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Hamilton because he can play safety and nickel, and Hamilton's
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  Speaker 1: at twenty five million a year kind of player. But
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  Speaker 1: if he was just a safety, and a really good
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  Speaker 1: one at that, then he falls into you know, top
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  Speaker 1: ten safety. Does that really helped the Eagles from a
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  Speaker 1: contract standpoint? And it could, right, because you know your
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  Speaker 1: top three or four safeties you'rre Derwin James or Kyle
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  Speaker 1: Hamilton's Antoine Winfield are versatile guys who play safety nickels
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  Speaker 1: all around. So you're probably looking at something like that,
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  Speaker 1: and that's still twenty one to twenty five million. And
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  Speaker 1: even if you were just saying Cooper you're just gonna
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  Speaker 1: play safety, you get into like eighteen to twenty million.
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  Speaker 2: So while that might be different from.
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  Speaker 4: Thirty, you won't get that. But here's the thing, Derwin
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  Speaker 4: James just got his extension done, right. It was a
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  Speaker 4: little bit. It's interesting how this works with the agents.
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  Speaker 3: So Hal Hamilton got twenty five point one million, Joe
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  Speaker 3: and James got twenty five point two million. YEP average
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  Speaker 3: per season or ap y average per year, right, not
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  Speaker 3: all contracts.
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  Speaker 2: Guy, he does move around a lot too. He might
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  Speaker 2: follow down he plays.
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  Speaker 3: He'll see him play as almost a linebacker. Sometimes he'll
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  Speaker 3: play up.
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  Speaker 4: We'll play back.
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  Speaker 2: Right, he's a.
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  Speaker 3: Safety, and he's a safety, and he's not cope in
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  Speaker 3: terms of move of movement or the way that you
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  Speaker 3: would use him. So to me, he's got to get
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  Speaker 3: He's in the twenty five plus range, Coop if they
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  Speaker 3: if they get one done after the season, plus you
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  Speaker 3: have to see the other shafeties that get done.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So he's not getting thirty, there's no way. He's
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  Speaker 4: just he's not corner's.
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  Speaker 3: You can't justify paying him that it's it's not easy,
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  Speaker 3: but let's get back to what this looks like for
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  Speaker 3: the future.
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  Speaker 5: So and Vick. Look, it's really Vic's call about where he.
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  Speaker 4: Plays in twenty seven and beyond.
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  Speaker 3: So he's a safety, and then Nicol this season, the
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  Speaker 3: snap counts will help them determine when they structure the
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  Speaker 3: contract where he played the most, and you know, you
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  Speaker 3: look at the comps and you go from there. Then
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  Speaker 3: you got mccooba's in year two of his four year deal, yep,
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  Speaker 3: obviously a big year for him.
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  Speaker 4: He's got to stay healthy.
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  Speaker 3: Then you got Marcus Eps's on a one year deal.
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  Speaker 3: Michael Carter got the pickup, which we told you he
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  Speaker 3: was going to get.
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  Speaker 4: He took a shave he had to.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to make over ten million to be a
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  Speaker 3: backup or you're not coming back at that number, and
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  Speaker 3: they they.
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  Speaker 4: Shortened it up a little bit. Michael Carter will make.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see two point two four million, and they guarantee,
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  Speaker 3: they guaranteed at signing one point four to five million,
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  Speaker 3: So he's going to be on the team most likely.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, that's a drastic reduction from what
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  Speaker 1: the original contract called.
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  Speaker 4: From Oh he was gonna make over ten million. This
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  Speaker 4: is yeah, right right.
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  Speaker 3: They leveraged because there was very little guaranteed. Yeah, so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: we told you this a year ago that he's not
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  Speaker 3: coming back anywhere close to that number.
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  Speaker 4: Now here's the thing.
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  Speaker 3: You got Marcus Epps, a veteran who doesn't really have
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  Speaker 3: Michael Carter's versatility. Carter could play nickel, or he could
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  Speaker 3: play safety, and they cross train him to play safety,
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  Speaker 3: which he played in.
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  Speaker 4: College at Duke.
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  Speaker 3: I know it sounds obviously EPs is the start of
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  Speaker 3: going in. I'm not rolling out Carter beating him. We'll
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  Speaker 3: talk more about that when we talk about depth charts
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  Speaker 3: closer or a training camp in about a month or so. Ye.
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  Speaker 4: Apps.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, one year deal worth one point five
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  Speaker 3: to five million. The guarantee is very small. Came in
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  Speaker 3: the signing bonus at one point two to five of
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five thousand, which is comical.
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  Speaker 4: The comical part is four year void on a deal
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  Speaker 4: that's so late. I just I love it. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 4: is interesting to me.
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  Speaker 1: That makes him one of those guys who could definitely
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  Speaker 1: get I guess it would be released that.
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  Speaker 2: Cut down at the UH at the end of the
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  Speaker 2: camp and then brought back to the practice.
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  Speaker 5: Squad because yeah, the guarantee is small squad salary.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see how he played with them. And he
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  Speaker 4: is thirty.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not forget he's not the same player he once was. Yep,
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  Speaker 3: he did turn thirty in late January. And after that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, GJ. Gray is a special teamer. Colebysznowski he
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  Speaker 3: was a seventh rounder. Andre Sam's there, but really, contractually,
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  Speaker 3: go looking at the future past the season. It's Coop
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  Speaker 3: potentially u being a safety in twenty seven and beyond,
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  Speaker 3: and we won't know. We won't know whether it'll be
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  Speaker 3: he'll be a one position player, two position player. And
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  Speaker 3: then obviously it's mccuba. You know what's interesting about maccuba
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  Speaker 3: and Grego Salt TOLDA says when he played at Clemson,
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  Speaker 3: he was a pretty good nickel. Greg thought he moved
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  Speaker 3: very well. That's a suggestion they're going to change positions.
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  Speaker 3: But you never know the mind of Vic Fangiel how
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  Speaker 3: it works. He sees stuff no one else sees. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: Zach Bonne wants an all time call by Vic.
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  Speaker 4: No one saw that at all.
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  Speaker 3: And playing linebacker, so you never know, So that's just
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  Speaker 3: something to keep in the back of our minds. Here, Uh,
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  Speaker 3: what I'm gonna look you know, I'm gonna look at
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  Speaker 3: cause of this stuff with vic A training camp, I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna look for that stuff. Does he give does he
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  Speaker 3: give mccooba some snaps at at Nickel?
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  Speaker 4: Who knows?
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  Speaker 3: You know, if if Michael Carter is kicking ass, you know,
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  Speaker 3: if he's doing well, safety, does he give does he
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  Speaker 3: give mccuba a couple of snaps at Nickel?
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  Speaker 4: You never know.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting that when mccooba transferred to Texas, they use
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  Speaker 1: him as a more conventional safety and didn't sort of
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  Speaker 1: expand that safety nickel role for him like Clemson did.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, not in maybe Texas had a
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  Speaker 1: lot of talent in their back end and didn't have to,
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  Speaker 1: But I always thought that was really interesting that they
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  Speaker 1: didn't decide to do that. And then you know, you've
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  Speaker 1: got four years, well this is year two of mccouba, yep,
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  Speaker 1: so you really wouldn't even have to start to think
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  Speaker 1: about paying him for the long term until the end
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  Speaker 1: of twenty and twenty seven, and by then he's got
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  Speaker 1: to improve and not only that he's held down that
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  Speaker 1: starting job.
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  Speaker 2: But stayed healthy.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, this is a position that just right now
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  Speaker 1: is very cost efficient for that it has to because
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  Speaker 1: they're paying now now.
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  Speaker 4: It is right, But.
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  Speaker 5: It could look it could it could go so many
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  Speaker 5: different ways.
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  Speaker 3: It could be really really cool, look great if Coop
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  Speaker 3: takes the safety and the belief is it will look good,
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  Speaker 3: he'll play it well there, but it doesn't work well,
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  Speaker 3: it's a quagmire again. It's like, Okay, what do they
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  Speaker 3: really have mccoba who he told you Personal people in
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  Speaker 3: the league thought mcouba is an nickel and he's a
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  Speaker 3: he's a safety in Nichol's body.
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  Speaker 4: He just doesn't. He's not. He's just not built like
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  Speaker 4: a safety. It's not what you want.
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  Speaker 3: But he moves really well and we'll see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: It's it's it's if you want to call this position
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  Speaker 3: of weakness, it's it wouldn't be unfair, but you just
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  Speaker 3: have to see how it plays out. Because Coop may
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  Speaker 3: being i mean may be an all pro, who the
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  Speaker 3: hell knows a guy's freak and Macouba was a second
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  Speaker 3: round pick, pretty good athlete versatility. Let me ask you this,
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  Speaker 3: since this is the last show until we get We're
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  Speaker 3: next week is our NFC East Draft.
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  Speaker 4: We're gonna do that next week. How good could this
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  Speaker 4: defense be?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I you know that our series where we've explored these
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  Speaker 1: contracts right has made me really look deeply at the
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: Eagles defense, which I already thought was going to be
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  Speaker 1: pretty good. But when you go through so many guys
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  Speaker 1: where you think have the ability, if they just have
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  Speaker 1: the same kind of year as last year to really
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  Speaker 1: cash in and reset the market or be an impact player,
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  Speaker 1: and you add Rekwell into it, this defense could be
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  Speaker 1: really really good. I think it has the potential to
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  Speaker 1: play more like the team that we saw against the
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  Speaker 1: Packers and Lions last year back to back weeks, where
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  Speaker 1: those teams were just flum mixed.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you remember those games, now, the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: Offense struggle, they got the oh god, I think the
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  Speaker 1: Packers only scored nine points. I forget, I'll go look
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  Speaker 1: real quickly with the scores. But it was like, you know,
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: the Rams scored as much as the Eagles and their
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  Speaker 1: opponents score in one week in those in those two games,
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  Speaker 1: so it was their defense was just unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they beat the Packers ten to seven, and they
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  Speaker 2: beat the Lions sixteen to nine. I mean that that
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  Speaker 2: to me is.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say the Eagles are only going
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  Speaker 1: to allow eight points a game, but I just think
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  Speaker 1: that they've got.
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  Speaker 2: A really good, deep collection of players.
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  Speaker 1: Up front in the back end. A lot of this
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  Speaker 1: is the the nonrequel and coming here and being a steadying,
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  Speaker 1: stabilizing force. But I don't expect him to regress too much.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, even if he's inconsistent like last year, that's
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  Speaker 1: still better than Dori Jackson, right. I do think that
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  Speaker 1: Jihad Campbell brings things to the defense that Nikobe Dean doesn't,
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  Speaker 1: but also lacks some of the things that Nikobe Dean had,
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: you know, the building to stake downhill. Yeah, but he's
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: got a lot of time to grow, so I think
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: it could be really good. I'm a little worried about
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: run defense, said, but I know most coaches don't care,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: and the Eagles have been able to overcome some really
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: ugly throws sometimes of run defense. But other than that,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: they should be able to rush the passer. They should
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: be able to narrow lanes, and the biggest thing I
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: think and some of the guys were talking about this
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: in the press conference. I think Zach Blunt said it too.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Was that they said Vic is so comfortable with his
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: first now that he spent the offseason thinking of new stuff.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, don't get fangio. There's enough
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: time and comfort to think of new things.
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  Speaker 5: Mom said that, Yes, Zack hit a great quote. I'm like,
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: is he just saying this is?
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: Believe it is? What does he mean? I would have
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: loved to have known.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: But the only quote, Well, we'll talk again when we
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: will have our top questions for training camp and what
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: the strength loop look like. But the you've got the
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: injury questions about Grenard and Campbell, they're pretty significant. Grenard
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: coming off shoulder surgery, Campbell shoulders both, he's had them
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: done over the last three years.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Throw Macouba in there because he's slight a frame.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: He's what he's like, you know, right right?
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: How could is he going to hold up? And then
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: you mentioned Woolen. So but the upside is tremendous. The
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: depth is better with Jonathan Jones now that that you're
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: you're upgrading a third corner.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: It matters.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: He's got experience. You know, we'll see how much he's
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: got left. And they've got tremendous depth at edge, like
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: if everybody's healthy, like Vic has got. I know he
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: doesn't like substituting much, but you know what, Vic, you
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: can if you need to. Yep, you know, nobody needs
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: to get tired, because I know that was a problem
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: for the forty nine ers.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: In the Super Bowl run in twenty twelve.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: I know they were they thought that they there are
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: people in their front office, remember that they thought that
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: the guys got gas late in the season against.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Baltimore in particular and super Bowl.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: Right, So we'll see what happens, but they could have
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: They certainly have the makers of elite defense. Not if
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: real weaknesses, like real weaknesses other than injury and okay,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: in consistency, there's I don't really see a weakness on
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: the defense.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: I would agree with you on that.
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: I will.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: Let's close this off because now I want to wrap
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: up this podcast series with a question for you.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Okay, uh.
• 17:39
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  Speaker 2: Twenty one and up. So now that we've done on.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: This series, give me two guys who popped up in
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: your mind that no matter what, you have a real
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: you can't see them back on the team in twenty
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: twenty seven, even if they.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Oh on defense anywhere, no anywhere.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Can I take low hanging fruit Jonathan Jones.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: That's of the starters, Yes, starters or very key situational players.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Tyler Steen would be one. I mean.
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: He could go anywhere from getting extension to walking walking.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Plus, I mean you gotta get let's let's say Jurgens
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: is fine and has a good bound a decent year.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: You gotta get Kendall on the field somewhere by year three.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Right, So I mean they don't have to it's a
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: fifth round.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: But I know right here, let me put.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: It this way.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: In each of the last I don't know how many years,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: there's always been one offensive lineman on a rookie deal
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: or a cost efficient deal, because they've got guys on
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: on extensions between my lot, between lane, between Jurgons and Dickerson.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Right, So if they're all going to be back next.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Year in twenty twenty seven, then they gotta have one
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: cost efficient guy and it wouldn't be Steen if you
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: gave him an extension.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's put guys on my raider that could
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: who could potentially leave it would be Steen would be one.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Okay, we'll see how Howie handles his situation.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: Top two. Yeah, I mean there's plenty of them.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: He won. Dickerson's got to be up there because of
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: his because of his his major injury history.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: They can get out of it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: Where they can't get out of durgun'st deal without a
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: major cap impact after the season.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: They gotta wait till after twenty seven.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: That's not a bad one. I put others ahead of him,
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: but that's not bad.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Well, Lane is obvious because that's the obvious.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: That's up to him.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean okay, all right, I mean I could
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: have taken him that that that's an obvious one.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Who did you say again, who's Nane Johnson?
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: Lane?
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: No, that's a good one. It's not obvious because if
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: he wants to come back, he'll come back.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: No that No, Well, that's my point. He could come
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: back if he wants. I just he goes year to year.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: But this is like, who is not coming back no
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: matter what.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm it's it's honestly, it's it's I don't
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: see that no matter what.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I just don't see how they bring a Jomo back
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: at this point. If the Carter, if they're gonna they
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: got David don we're gonna do Carter. I just I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be very, very difficult.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: That would be my number one guy.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: That's a good one. That'd be. It'll be really tough.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: And if it makes especially tough, if Woolen shocks made
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: he balls out and wear, that would have been my
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: number two guy, by the way, But then Jomo's gone. Yeah,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: now remember o Jomo Jomo did. He did change representation.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Doesn't mean he's getting a new deal wang Ship did
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: last summer. He didn't get a new deal, different money. Obviously,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Jomo is gonna make much more money. But back to
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: what we said, to finish this out, you can't pay everybody.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Yep. It's gonna be so hard. I don't know how.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: It's gotta be painful. It's like you they they walk
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: away from Milliwilliams. You know they couldn't compete because they'd
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: so many guys. That's really why they did it. Plush
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: the cash bend, as we've been talking about for last years.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: It was going to be down there. There's only so
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: much you could spend. Yep caps one thing, but cash
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: allocation is everything. That's the number one thing for running
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: a football team. And you can't be you can't have
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: a five hundred million dollar team.
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: You just can't. Can't.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: You can't do it.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: You're not can put out a half a billion dollars
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: in contracts here. You just cannot pay everybody.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: That is true, all right, this has been a really
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: fun series. I already got some feedback even on Football
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: at four saying how we've been killing it during the
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: contract series. I hope everybody has a better understanding of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: what the contracts mean for individual players, for not just now,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: but for the future and the decisions that the Eagles
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: will have to make. I know, next week, Adam, we're
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: going to have our annual NFC East Draft podcast series
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: where we draft a team for both offense and defense
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: just from NFC East players, and then we're also going
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: to do a look at some of the players who
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: are gonna enter training camp under the rate, you know,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: kind of the guys who are under pressure and we're
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: gonna say why it's really important to perform in training
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: camp and things like that, so we'll have a lot
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: of great content. And soon after that we are going
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to have Greg Cosel back with us to do his
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: tape breakdown of NFC teams as we preview the NFC
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: East with training camp just a few weeks away, I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: mean not too many, not too close, four four weeks away.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: By the time we get to Greg Cosell, it'll be
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: even sooner than that.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: So love it.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: God, yeah, love it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Looking forward to it me too.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: That's gonna do it for this episode of Inside the
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Birds of the Leading Podcast.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And Eagles Intel. As always, we thank you for flying
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