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- 0:00Speaker 1: You're listening to bill handle on demand from KFI AM
- 0:04Speaker 1: six forty.
- 0:12Speaker 2: KFI AM six forty bill handle. Here it is a
- 0:16Speaker 2: Wednesday morning, August fifth. Stock market is up at another
- 0:20Speaker 2: six hundred points after eleven hundred points up.
- 0:23Speaker 3: And I guess that.
- 0:26Speaker 2: AI dealing with unemployment, the cost of oil and gasoline, inflation,
- 0:33Speaker 2: and not really knowing what the future is going to bring.
- 0:37Speaker 2: It does great for the economy. So the more you
- 0:41Speaker 2: are unemployed, the more gasoline and food costs you, the
- 0:46Speaker 2: more the chances you lose your job. The better off
- 0:50Speaker 2: we are, the better off you are. Now, tell me
- 0:56Speaker 2: how weird that one is?
- 0:58Speaker 3: Okay?
- 0:59Speaker 2: I now, ICE has some issues, one or two little issues.
- 1:04Speaker 3: And one of the reports they're.
- 1:06Speaker 2: Coming out right now is they have a around the
- 1:10Speaker 2: clock digital surveillance program scouring social media for threats, paying
- 1:18Speaker 2: millions of dollars to private contractors. And in those surveillance programs,
- 1:25Speaker 2: US citizens are involved. And what DHS is doing, Department
- 1:30Speaker 2: of Homeland Security is sending subpoenas the social media companies
- 1:34Speaker 2: to unmask the online critics who are anonymous. Now, DHS
- 1:40Speaker 2: says the program protects agents from threats. Civil rights lawyers
- 1:45Speaker 2: argue it sweeps up speech protected by the First Amendment.
- 1:48Speaker 2: Now this gets a little complicated because both sides have
- 1:51Speaker 2: an argument legitimately, so Facebook, to Instagram to x for
- 1:58Speaker 2: speech that ICE argues could endanger the mission and their
- 2:02Speaker 2: agents and police folks. The government has paid out millions
- 2:07Speaker 2: of dollars because they're looking at everything from potential threats
- 2:11Speaker 2: to agents to activities that could disrupt ICE's operations. And
- 2:17Speaker 2: so what the contractors are doing per those contracts, preparing
- 2:23Speaker 2: daily reports, dossier's on threats, threat actors, identifying the poster's name,
- 2:28Speaker 2: location data, birth, workplace, social security number, vehicle registration, criminal.
- 2:33Speaker 3: History if there is one.
- 2:36Speaker 2: And DHS has sent out hundreds of subpoenas to social
- 2:40Speaker 2: media companies. DSACH agents tracked down Americans at work on
- 2:45Speaker 2: the road and ask them to sign letters acknowledging their
- 2:51Speaker 2: online speech about ICE.
- 2:53Speaker 3: Maybe a crime, Come on, really wow?
- 3:00Speaker 2: Now, DHS says we're here to protect our agents and
- 3:03Speaker 2: their families from coordinated campaigns of violence that has fueled
- 3:09Speaker 2: an eight thousand percent increase in death threats since the
- 3:13Speaker 2: President took office. And I don't know if you're surprised
- 3:17Speaker 2: at all, I'm not. Now the issue is, and here
- 3:22Speaker 2: I want to throw this out at you, coordinated campaigns
- 3:25Speaker 2: of violence. I don't see that now. I see doxing.
- 3:31Speaker 2: I certainly see filming videoing of ICE operations that are
- 3:36Speaker 2: immediately put up on the internet.
- 3:38Speaker 3: I see that.
- 3:40Speaker 2: And if agents face can be recognized with facial recognition software,
- 3:47Speaker 2: we're instantly going to know who these agents are, which
- 3:50Speaker 2: is why you see them wearing.
- 3:51Speaker 3: Masks all the time.
- 3:54Speaker 2: It's not as if, or at least I don't believe
- 3:57Speaker 2: they are wearing masks because they're anonymously killing people. Although
- 4:01Speaker 2: people seem to be target the ICE practices target shooting
- 4:05Speaker 2: occasionally on people. Civil rights lawyers and even former DHS
- 4:10Speaker 2: staffers are saying the approach has swept up people just
- 4:13Speaker 2: expressing opinions that are protected by the First Amendment. Now,
- 4:21Speaker 2: this is where it's right down the line. How do
- 4:25Speaker 2: you navigate this line? And we've talked about this a
- 4:31Speaker 2: whole lot, because where is the line where does free
- 4:36Speaker 2: speech stop and where does criminality came in? And we
- 4:41Speaker 2: talked about this morning. We did a story about how
- 4:44Speaker 2: people are saying the president should be assassinated.
- 4:49Speaker 3: Is that a threat? I don't think so.
- 4:53Speaker 2: The court pointed out in a couple of cases that
- 4:56Speaker 2: this is political speech, and man, there's a wide range
- 5:00Speaker 2: of political speech.
- 5:02Speaker 3: It can be vicious, it can.
- 5:05Speaker 2: Be vituperative, as the court says, but it is not
- 5:10Speaker 2: a threat unless a specific threat is made.
- 5:16Speaker 3: Go out and kill the president. That is a threat.
- 5:20Speaker 2: By the way, I'm sure there'll be a promo where
- 5:21Speaker 2: I just say that and everything else is going to
- 5:24Speaker 2: be eliminated.
- 5:24Speaker 3: Thank you, cono.
- 5:26Speaker 2: And yes, I'm going to be talking with a secret
- 5:28Speaker 2: service tomorrow afternoon as soon as you drop that promo. Yes,
- 5:32Speaker 2: it's pretty broad. I wish the president were dead. That
- 5:36Speaker 2: is not a threat.
- 5:38Speaker 3: I'll tell you.
- 5:39Speaker 2: What is a threat is taking a photo of seashells
- 5:43Speaker 2: on the beach. That right, eighty six forty seven, where
- 5:50Speaker 2: it refers to eighty sixteen, We're no longer there. As
- 5:54Speaker 2: in a restaurant when food is eighty six, something on
- 5:56Speaker 2: a menu is eighty six, So no longer there forty seven.
- 6:02Speaker 2: The forty seventh President of the United States, Donald Trump. See,
- 6:05Speaker 2: that is a threat that in fact should be prosecuted
- 6:12Speaker 2: until the courts laughed them out of that particular case.
- 6:17Speaker 2: So let's just say we've got certain aspects of the
- 6:19Speaker 2: government going a little crazy, but more importantly, when we're
- 6:23Speaker 2: talking about a legitimate threat versus a legitimate feeling, And
- 6:29Speaker 2: the line is when is the threat a threat? And
- 6:33Speaker 2: I'm going to come back with that and finish it up,
- 6:36Speaker 2: because there is a legitimate argument for ICE, well maybe
- 6:42Speaker 2: not the way they interpret it, and there is a
- 6:44Speaker 2: legitimate argument for civil libertarians the way they interpret it.
- 6:50Speaker 2: And as I brought up, both sides are arguing where
- 6:54Speaker 2: First Amendment starts and stops. Civil libertarians are saying that
- 6:59Speaker 2: ICE has no business looking for people who are looking
- 7:04Speaker 2: at people who have given political opinions. Now, ICE has
- 7:09Speaker 2: said that those opinions in many cases are threats and
- 7:14Speaker 2: doxing of police officers, for example, videoing ICE officials or
- 7:19Speaker 2: ICE officers engaged in some of these raids seeing their
- 7:22Speaker 2: face makes them vulnerable to attacks, which I think is true.
- 7:28Speaker 2: But at the same time, do you not video does
- 7:33Speaker 2: someone not video? Does someone not argue that what ICE
- 7:38Speaker 2: is doing is illegal and what ICE is doing is
- 7:41Speaker 2: Nazi like? And even that person who posted that was
- 7:46Speaker 2: investigated by ICE. Now, this campaign against online adversaries is
- 7:52Speaker 2: coordinated by the Office of Professional Responsibility of ICE. Under
- 7:58Speaker 2: prior administration, this office was known for work investigating ICE
- 8:03Speaker 2: agents for wrongdoing, corruption, excessive force. This is ICE contracting
- 8:11Speaker 2: with private organizations to go through the Internet and if
- 8:16Speaker 2: they deem someone at risk. By the way, who deems
- 8:19Speaker 2: someone at risk? Well, they have AI programs that do that,
- 8:22Speaker 2: scouring the Internet for things you have said, where you
- 8:25Speaker 2: have been, facial recognition, statements you made, who you hang
- 8:31Speaker 2: out with, and if it's all wrong, which incidantly is
- 8:35Speaker 2: perfectly legal. And your opinions about for example, ICE or
- 8:39Speaker 2: a bunch of Nazis, the president is a Nazi, the
- 8:45Speaker 2: government should be overthrown, should be overthrown. Okay, is that
- 8:49Speaker 2: an opinion? Well, it probably is opinion. Is that enough
- 8:54Speaker 2: to get ICE on top of you?
- 8:57Speaker 3: Yeah? It is.
- 8:59Speaker 2: So when is your first amendment stop and a threat start?
- 9:05Speaker 2: And that is an issue that the courts are going
- 9:08Speaker 2: to have to deal with the Office of Public Responsibility
- 9:13Speaker 2: of ICE has a new Threat initiative calls calling for
- 9:19Speaker 2: the monitoring of twenty social sites Reddit, Discord, Snapchat, LinkedIn,
- 9:25Speaker 2: and they grab DMV records and police reports and they
- 9:29Speaker 2: look at relationships of users who have been flagged as
- 9:33Speaker 2: a threat originator. So let's say I have a friend
- 9:37Speaker 2: who is deemed a threat. I am being looked at
- 9:42Speaker 2: and everybody that friend has I don't know, six degrees
- 9:47Speaker 2: of separation, I don't know.
- 9:51Speaker 3: And they are there. And here's the one that is
- 9:54Speaker 3: really scary.
- 9:56Speaker 2: Using AI, through something called antis inpatory threat intelligence identifies
- 10:03Speaker 2: trends and patterns of potential threats before they come to fruition.
- 10:10Speaker 2: O are they actually does AI actually ascertain the kind
- 10:17Speaker 2: of person you are that you are likely to threat
- 10:23Speaker 2: to threaten well, ICE and public servants and the government.
- 10:28Speaker 3: Man, I don't.
- 10:29Speaker 2: Know, you know, do you wait until the actual threat
- 10:33Speaker 2: comes down? Are you a threat? No matter what your
- 10:40Speaker 2: political situation is, I'll tell you one thing. Republicans aren't
- 10:43Speaker 2: being watched, not even close. I mean, this is pretty
- 10:46Speaker 2: scary stuff, it really is. And again, where is the
- 10:50Speaker 2: First Amendment? And with the police officers? Now here is
- 10:53Speaker 2: where ICE has a legitimate concern, and that is videoing
- 10:59Speaker 2: ICE operations out in public and videoing ICE agents. And again,
- 11:07Speaker 2: with facial recognition software, a detractor, someone who's against the government,
- 11:14Speaker 2: could put up the face of the ICE agent where
- 11:18Speaker 2: he lives, members of his family, where he works, and
- 11:24Speaker 2: say things like, oh how about this one. Confront him
- 11:28Speaker 2: and tell him what you think of ice, and the
- 11:33Speaker 2: government is saying that is way too close. I think
- 11:39Speaker 2: you have to hit some level of reasonableness, and frankly,
- 11:43Speaker 2: I don't know where that is. I don't, Okay, Doctor
- 11:49Speaker 2: Jim Keeney, And we do the medical segment Medical News
- 11:54Speaker 2: every Wednesday, eight thirty till the top of the hour,
- 11:58Speaker 2: doctor Jim Keeney, chief Medical Officer for Dignity Saint Mary
- 12:01Speaker 2: Medical Officer or Medical Center in Long Beach. And Jim,
- 12:06Speaker 2: of course, as you know, is an er doctor, board certified,
- 12:11Speaker 2: And actually I think Jim ran.
- 12:15Speaker 3: The er part of the group that ran the er.
- 12:18Speaker 2: He was the Grand Puba, the uh, the veneer, the
- 12:22Speaker 2: grand Vizier of the r Do I have that right, Jim?
- 12:29Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that was the exact title.
- 12:30Speaker 3: Actually, so the Grand Puba.
- 12:32Speaker 2: Yes, all right, all right, Jim, of course you put
- 12:37Speaker 2: this in for me, I got it. And that's the
- 12:40Speaker 2: the debunking of the I guess theory of the argument
- 12:44Speaker 2: that autism and circumcision somehow are connected. Now, of course
- 12:50Speaker 2: we immediately go right into circumcision jokes. So this this
- 12:54Speaker 2: story is just the tip of the iceberg, right.
- 12:58Speaker 4: Okay, I mean I need to grab this one first.
- 13:01Speaker 4: I didn't know who needed to hear it besides you.
- 13:03Speaker 3: But well, I'm not listening.
- 13:06Speaker 2: I am not the only one in this life that
- 13:09Speaker 2: is circumcised. Now, obviously for religious reasons. I was a
- 13:13Speaker 2: circumcised but also for health reason. Although I understand today
- 13:18Speaker 2: it's fifty to fifty that half of the male population
- 13:23Speaker 2: is circumcised in the United States and the other ones
- 13:27Speaker 2: have penises that look like and eaters. So can you
- 13:31Speaker 2: connect to autism and circumcision? And how in God's name
- 13:35Speaker 2: they were ever connected to autism?
- 13:39Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, honestly, I did not know that people
- 13:41Speaker 4: were worried about this until I read the article, and
- 13:44Speaker 4: apparently there is online lore that circumcision is connected to autism.
- 13:49Speaker 4: I mean, what haven't people tried to connect to autism,
- 13:52Speaker 4: because you know, we don't know what closed it, so
- 13:54Speaker 4: everyone is trying to throw out some explanation. But it
- 13:58Speaker 4: turns out in a very large study that there is
- 14:02Speaker 4: no correlation between circumcision and autism. So there does not
- 14:06Speaker 4: seem to be a connection there. So if you were
- 14:08Speaker 4: one of the people that I was not aware of
- 14:10Speaker 4: that are worried about that connection. It doesn't exist. And really,
- 14:15Speaker 4: circumcision is one of those things that really is a
- 14:18Speaker 4: like you said, cultural religious, personal preference. You know, there
- 14:21Speaker 4: are some medical reasons to get a circumcision, so you
- 14:26Speaker 4: know those are the kind of decisions you make, not
- 14:28Speaker 4: based on the fact that it might cause autism.
- 14:31Speaker 2: No, but is it based on the fact that it
- 14:33Speaker 2: does have legitimate medical reasons that you are better off
- 14:38Speaker 2: medically circumcised than not circumcised.
- 14:43Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I'll give you just the most clear
- 14:44Speaker 4: example is sometimes the opening isn't large enough, you know,
- 14:48Speaker 4: for the foreskin to retract, so and what happens is
- 14:53Speaker 4: you can actually get in the situation where it does
- 14:56Speaker 4: forcefully retract. Now the head of the penis is is
- 15:00Speaker 4: caught by the foreskin and it cuts off blood flow
- 15:04Speaker 4: and circulation. So in those circumstances, you know a circumcision
- 15:09Speaker 4: would relieve that. So that's a real clear easy one.
- 15:12Speaker 4: People talk about cleanliness. They people talk about diseases, but
- 15:17Speaker 4: you know, there aren't necessarily enough of a reason they are.
- 15:22Speaker 4: There's some small association, but not enough of a reason
- 15:25Speaker 4: there for things like like skin cancer or stuff like that.
- 15:30Speaker 4: To actually justify doing it for everyone. All Right.
- 15:33Speaker 3: I don't want to get personal, Jim, But how about you.
- 15:39Speaker 4: I knew this was.
- 15:42Speaker 3: We've been working way too long together. Yeah, are we.
- 15:47Speaker 2: Going to Well?
- 15:48Speaker 4: You know what happened basically is right, most families, the
- 15:52Speaker 4: child that the parents want the boy to look like
- 15:55Speaker 4: the dad. Right, And that's really what it comes down to.
- 15:57Speaker 4: I'd say ninety percent of the time. Okay, and so yeah,
- 16:01Speaker 4: I look like my dad and I am circumcised.
- 16:04Speaker 3: WHOA, there you go.
- 16:05Speaker 2: And in the Jewish religion, of course, it's a religious ceremony.
- 16:10Speaker 2: It is done at eight when the child is eight
- 16:14Speaker 2: days old. And here is a little bit of religious
- 16:19Speaker 2: law and Jim, we'll get back to a couple of stories.
- 16:22Speaker 2: And that is the reason it is so important in
- 16:25Speaker 2: the Jewish religion is that is the covenant with God,
- 16:30Speaker 2: that is the contract between Abraham and God to declare monotheism.
- 16:36Speaker 2: That's how important it is. That's one of the major
- 16:39Speaker 2: major tenants. Now, as I'm thinking, that was a pretty
- 16:43Speaker 2: rough God where he said, Okay, here's what we're going
- 16:45Speaker 2: to do to make this contract valid.
- 16:47Speaker 3: You are going to circumcise your kids.
- 16:49Speaker 2: You couldn't just sign an next, you couldn't sign a
- 16:51Speaker 2: contract with an X right that side of the question.
- 16:54Speaker 3: You have to be circumcised. That's a tough one. It
- 16:57Speaker 3: really is.
- 16:59Speaker 4: Okay in a battle too, by getting all the the
- 17:02Speaker 4: opposing side to get circumcised first or something like that.
- 17:06Speaker 3: You know, I don't know O Neil would know that.
- 17:09Speaker 4: Yeah, they used them as rubber bands and fought their
- 17:12Speaker 4: way out.
- 17:13Speaker 3: Pretty that's what I thought. That's true.
- 17:17Speaker 2: And I have a bunch of oil jokes which we're
- 17:19Speaker 2: not going to get into, but they're very good. All right, Jim,
- 17:23Speaker 2: tell me about the farm effect. I have not heard
- 17:26Speaker 2: of this. What is it and how.
- 17:28Speaker 3: Does it work? Yeah?
- 17:31Speaker 4: So the farm effects is something we've known for a while.
- 17:33Speaker 4: It's that kids who live in a farm seem to
- 17:35Speaker 4: have less asthma, less exzema, and less allergies in general,
- 17:40Speaker 4: and they get sick less often. So it was always
- 17:42Speaker 4: called out the farm effect, and so I just thought
- 17:45Speaker 4: the study was kind of interesting because it brought out
- 17:47Speaker 4: that they looked into what bacteria that they're exposed to potentially,
- 17:52Speaker 4: because that was the theory that they're exposed to farm
- 17:55Speaker 4: animals and dirt and more bacteria than the average kid
- 18:00Speaker 4: who doesn't grow up on a farm and that somehow
- 18:02Speaker 4: preps their immune system to be better as far as
- 18:06Speaker 4: not over responding such as asthma. So they looked at
- 18:10Speaker 4: this and they found two different bacteria. They're in the
- 18:13Speaker 4: gut of cows that's most highly associated with protecting from
- 18:19Speaker 4: asthma and allergy. And so they found those two bacteria
- 18:23Speaker 4: in the air in the shed of where the cows
- 18:25Speaker 4: are kept. And then they also found them even inside
- 18:29Speaker 4: the house to a much lower degree of course, and
- 18:32Speaker 4: in the children's bedding. So this bacteria gets everywhere and
- 18:36Speaker 4: they're exposed to it. So the bottom line is we
- 18:39Speaker 4: try and you know, bubble wrap our kids, and really
- 18:42Speaker 4: kids need to get dirty, they need to play in
- 18:43Speaker 4: the dirt, they need to be exposed to bacteria. There's
- 18:46Speaker 4: actually some good part to that. Now. Of course, before
- 18:49Speaker 4: you eat, before you you know, you do certain things.
- 18:52Speaker 4: You want to wash your hands and make sure that
- 18:54Speaker 4: you're not over exposing yourself unnecessarily to bad bacteria. But
- 19:00Speaker 4: in general, at the exposure to dirt and bacteria, it's
- 19:03Speaker 4: not necessarily all a bad thing.
- 19:06Speaker 2: So yeah, the inverse of the good news is if
- 19:10Speaker 2: someone has their kid at home homeschooling and doesn't do
- 19:13Speaker 2: a whole lot of socializing, the kid has a much
- 19:17Speaker 2: greater risk of getting these weird and of course unvaccinated,
- 19:20Speaker 2: which is completely crazy.
- 19:22Speaker 3: Of getting these childhood diseases.
- 19:25Speaker 2: So so, yeah, you have some children, a couple of boys,
- 19:29Speaker 2: and did you take them to the farm and have
- 19:31Speaker 2: him meet the dirt when they were young.
- 19:35Speaker 4: Yeah, we definitely did a lot of play in the dirt.
- 19:37Speaker 4: We didn't necessarily always go to farms, but we went
- 19:40Speaker 4: you know, we went out. We backpacked a lot and
- 19:43Speaker 4: were out in the in the dirt and the mud
- 19:46Speaker 4: and playing around quite a bit and the surf and
- 19:49Speaker 4: the you know, just outdoor a lot. And there was
- 19:51Speaker 4: a period of time, by the way, where they were,
- 19:52Speaker 4: they were homeschooled, they were vaccinated, and they were playing
- 19:55Speaker 4: with other kids.
- 19:56Speaker 2: Well there you go, so you put them all through
- 19:58Speaker 2: the other together. Okay, how many the complaining health and meditation?
- 20:04Speaker 2: Gut health and meditation, that's a weird one explain that?
- 20:08Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, Well, I mean, connecting just to what
- 20:11Speaker 4: we were just talking about, bacteria, did you know that
- 20:13Speaker 4: there's like between two and five pounds of bacteria in
- 20:17Speaker 4: your gut?
- 20:19Speaker 3: So no, idea.
- 20:21Speaker 2: You know, bacteria doesn't weigh very much, and you're telling
- 20:24Speaker 2: me there's that much bacteria.
- 20:27Speaker 4: That's that much better that your gut is a pretty
- 20:28Speaker 4: amazing thing. It's that we call it the second brain.
- 20:30Speaker 4: There's actually more there's more nerves in the in the
- 20:35Speaker 4: gut than there are in the spinal column. The gut
- 20:39Speaker 4: is really a fascinating area. And and so basically the
- 20:43Speaker 4: bottom line here is that this study showed that meditation
- 20:47Speaker 4: improves gut health. And there's a strong connection between the
- 20:51Speaker 4: brain and the gut that we really ignored when I
- 20:53Speaker 4: was in med school, I thought that we learned about
- 20:55Speaker 4: the vagus nerve. It's the tenth cranial nerve. It's the
- 20:57Speaker 4: thickest nerve in the body, goes from the brain all
- 21:00Speaker 4: the way down to the gut. And we thought it
- 21:03Speaker 4: sends signals from the brain to the gut. Turns out
- 21:06Speaker 4: eighty to ninety percent of the signals go from the
- 21:08Speaker 4: gut to the brain. So all these five pounds of bacteria,
- 21:14Speaker 4: you produce ninety percent of the serotonin in your body.
- 21:17Speaker 4: You know, serotonin is the kind of happy chemical in
- 21:20Speaker 4: your brain. You produce ninety percent of it in your gut.
- 21:23Speaker 2: Hey, you explain what the guy is the gut, the
- 21:25Speaker 2: large intestine, is it the stomach?
- 21:29Speaker 3: What do you refer to when you talk about the gut?
- 21:32Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, Okay, I should explain that the gut
- 21:34Speaker 4: is all of that, right, So it goes all the
- 21:36Speaker 4: way from your gut, this eu esophagus, all the way
- 21:40Speaker 4: down to your rectum, so everything your stomach, your small intestines,
- 21:44Speaker 4: you're large intestines, and then the attached you know, secretary
- 21:48Speaker 4: glands you know, like the gallbladder and those type of things,
- 21:53Speaker 4: So all of it. And so yeah, there's a strong
- 21:57Speaker 4: connection between your gut and your brain. There's a strong
- 22:00Speaker 4: connection between the bacteria and your gut and your and
- 22:02Speaker 4: your brain. So it's interesting. And so this was this
- 22:06Speaker 4: one meditation is more your brain affecting your gut. But
- 22:10Speaker 4: I just thought it was an interesting, you know topic
- 22:12Speaker 4: in general. Did just bring up that this is a
- 22:16Speaker 4: pretty fascinating area because we've all had butterflies, right, so
- 22:18Speaker 4: we know the brain when you're stressed, the brain affects
- 22:21Speaker 4: your gut.
- 22:23Speaker 3: Do you know how any times I've meditated in my life?
- 22:26Speaker 4: It probably is zero.
- 22:28Speaker 3: That is absolutely correct, absolutely zero.
- 22:32Speaker 4: I know you've done yoga.
- 22:33Speaker 3: I do. I do yoga three times a week. I
- 22:36Speaker 3: do yoga three times a week. I mean that's who
- 22:40Speaker 3: would ever think that I would do yoga?
- 22:45Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I didn't think so I didn't either.
- 22:47Speaker 4: But but it is a form of meditation. It's a
- 22:51Speaker 4: form of movement, you know, you know, connecting your movement
- 22:54Speaker 4: to your breath is a form of meditation.
- 22:56Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me tell you. I don't meditate. Just go, ah, crap,
- 22:59Speaker 2: you can't expe me to do this, and uh.
- 23:02Speaker 4: You don't feel relaxed at the no. No, no, I
- 23:05Speaker 4: feel like you're about.
- 23:05Speaker 3: To know no.
- 23:07Speaker 4: Wow.
- 23:08Speaker 3: Yeah, nice talking to you, Jim. You've been listening to
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