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Sicko mode, engaged: On Josh Allen’s fight, Tyler Bass, James Cook & a stammering Bills D in 37-34 OT thriller · Go Long Podcast

• 0:00
  [music]
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: At SoFi Stadium.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: There is no time for pre-podcast banter.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: We did not even exchange one word before hitting record.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Bills 37, Rams 34.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: Overtime.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Josh Allen.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: There were struggles through the air.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Pushing the ball down the field.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: He discussed his mechanical issues after the game.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: There were penalties.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: There were penalties.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: They were feeling the loss of DJ Moore.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: He was off.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, there were guys open that he couldn't hit.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then Harrison Beavis has his kick in overtime blocked.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: And you just see the reaction from Josh Allen on the sideline.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's go time.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's Liam Neeson and Taken.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe he just wanted to go kick somebody's ass in the parking lot
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: for not returning a shopping cart.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: The look in his eye is a look that you don't see often.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why Josh Allen is different.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: He just took over the game.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: The Bills win.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: There was a lot of good.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_01: There was a lot of bad.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Gut reaction to an instant classic, Monday Night Football.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, gut reaction is that's when we talk about, let's just talk about quarterbacks.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, all we do is talk about quarterbacks.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's the game.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: Just watch that game.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: That's your every flavor of quarterback that you want was playing last night.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: Whether it was high level toughness, instincts, accuracy, arm strength, athleticism, legs.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: You saw every form of quarterback play last night at its highest level.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: Gets no better for me.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: Entertainment value through the roof.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Football value we're going to get into.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot to unpack.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_00: This Rams team is not done by any means.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: As you know, football is a long season and we'll get into this.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: But this is Josh Allen's signature moment again.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, maybe he's had some before.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like a Monday night football regular season type game
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: against this quote unquote Rams team this year.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_00: To do that, that was like Josh Allen.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's the old tennis.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: Who has the serve?
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: The basketball, Durant versus LeBron.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, who gets the ball?
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_00: Who can't stop each other?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: That type of.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_00: High level.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody can stop each other.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: When it's playing at that highest level, it's that good.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: You just got the sense he wasn't going to be denied.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was all guts.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: All heart.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't pretty, but that's why Josh Allen is Josh Allen.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: Tyler, I had a thought with Josh Allen, too.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was almost like peewee football.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: Take you back to when the biggest,
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_00: fastest kid, you just put him at quarterback, snap the ball, go run.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: There it is.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: Joe Brady, hey, things weren't working down the field.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_00: We don't have our number one wide out.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing's clicking.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: Josh, this is why we haven't had to do this all the time,
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_00: but we're going to snap the ball to you and just run.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like it.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever it takes to win, do it on the road.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's so impressive.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: Let's get into it.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: Here's what I want your take on right now.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you at with – well, a lot to unpack here.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_00: Couple questions.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: We got to get into the running back, Cook.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: I want to get into the defense.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: But where were you at with Joe Brady right now, head coach-wise?
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, there is a lot to unpack.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: where I think Joe Brady had
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: some clock management debates will be had this morning
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: on that clock management.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: I want to get your take as well.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: Joe Brady, James Cook, the defense,
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: Greg Russo.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: I want to get to all that.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_01: Let's stay on Josh Allen for a moment because you're right.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's the headline here.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: He's going back and forth with Matthew Stafford,
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: two different styles,
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: two different ways of decimating your defense on this particular night.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: And I was just trying to pull it up here because watching Josh Allen take over
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: with his legs, it brought me back to a couple of quotes.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: One from A teammate,
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: a friend of his,
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: a longtime Bill will just say,
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: this was in that three-parter a few years ago, quote,
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: he wants to run through your face and establish the fact that he's
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: the biggest alpha male dog quarterback in the history of pro football.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then there was another quote.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: Let me see if I can find it here.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because it just, this is the essence of Josh Allen.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: Quote like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_01: This ain't Tom Brady.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: This is a freaking 10-year-old kid who just wants to have fun.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: And by the way, that's pretty cool for the Buffalo Bills quarterback.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: The guy freaking makes him happy.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: Just let him be him.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's bananas.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Here we are.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_01: Coach is leaving a Super Bowl team for lateral moves.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: So that was, you know, back to the strife there with the coach and the quarterback.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: You just saw it uninhibited Josh Allen.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: Throwing the team on his back.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_01: He gave him a sliver of daylight.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: And Nate Landman was an animal in this game, right?
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Punching at the ball constantly forces the huge fumble on James Cook.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: Incredible.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's a take of yours that has aged very gracefully,
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: as I texted you, like the finest wine in all of France.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_01: But Nate Landman is right there.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's one-on-one.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: Josh Allen makes a miss, right?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: He gets to the corner.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: He's off.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: The very next play.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's a designed boot to the left,
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: and Aaron Donald looks like somebody that's been retired for a while.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, I know he had a sack.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: It was called back.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: He only had two tackles.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: He was mostly a non-factor in this game.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_01: This is the essence of Allen,
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: and this is exactly the kind of quarterbacking that he promised he would bring,
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: right?
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: And you go back to last year,
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: how it ended,
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: the Denver play at the end of the first half,
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: all the turnovers,
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_01: and Every offseason, it's like, should he change his style of play?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: Should he do this?
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: Should he do that?
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_01: When we sat down in the summer, I'm going to play football.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: I know how to play it until I can't.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: And when I can't play it the way I want to play it, it's probably when I'm done.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_01: So what did we talk about last week off of his horrendous interception that cost him
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: the game against the Patriots?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: Don't change.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: Don't.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: Play your style.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: Play your brand.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because the competitive juices...
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: Are unlike anybody at the position in the sport, in my opinion.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: And they needed all of that in this game against the Rams.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's just every cent that has been paid to him.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: Terry Pagula can feel so good at night as there is no wasted money.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing going on like in Nashville with Cam Ward.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_00: There's no developing.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: There's no.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: I just gave Baker Mayfield a big contract, and this undrafted guy is better.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's none of that for an owner.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: For Terry Pegula, he can go to bed at night knowing every single cent.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: You might have to spend more whenever that comes up, but guess what?
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: You just keep getting more and more proof of concept for your investment.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I'm glad that we start heavy with 17 because he is the center
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: of this organization's universe.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: In every way.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: Make a lot of problems go away.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: And Lordy, they have problems.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: C.J.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: Gardner-Johnson was a mess.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: Not that you know through his celebrating.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm all for taunts.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: I'm all for celebrating.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: It is kind of interesting to see a player play so badly and try to stomp all over
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: the grave after the game.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what you were going to get in C.J.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Gardner-Johnson.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: The cornerback play.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: Maxwell Harrison's the first-round pick.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: He's benched.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: He can't even get on the field.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: For most of this game, that's a problem.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: On the heels of Kyrie Elam,
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_01: another first-round pick that you eventually have to jettison away for scraps.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: There aren't really options at that position.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_01: Igbenosin will at least fight.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Igbenosin
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: is tough.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was just going to say, we'll get into it.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: I'm hard on a lot of these guys, but I like him so far.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: His fight is exactly what they need right now.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry about it.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: You hit him and it sparked me.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: But Joe Brady was getting a lot of criticism for the way in which he speaks
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_01: about his quarterback and professing his love for Josh Allen and we're going
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: to do everything in our power to empower Josh Allen and the kind
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: of rhetoric really day one of that introductory press conference.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: I remember sitting there,
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: and you could see Josh Allen in row one looking up at Joe Brady with this gleam
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_01: in his eye.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: Almost like he's looking at his wife, Haley Steinfeld.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: This love, this affection that they have for each other, it's real.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: But this is why, because shit's going to happen in a football game.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: There's going to be special teams, snafus if you're the LA Rams, and man...
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: That problem isn't going anywhere for the Rams.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to have fumbles.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_01: James Cook, again, puts it on the ground, and you're going to have those issues at cornerback.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: But if you can just remember that you've got Michael Jordan,
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: Magic Johnson, all the names we've thrown around over the years.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: LeBron, Durant, Shaq.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: LeBron,
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: I bring up MJ and Magic Johnson because those teams also had to move on
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: to another coach to win a championship, right?
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Magic and Jordan had about 500 Hall of Famers playing with them.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: Josh Allen does not.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: He does not.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: He does not.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's going to be your source of hope, though, all season long.
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think it's important to note they have a coach who gets it.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: Joe Brady gets it.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: And he was far from perfect in his seat as head coach in this game.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: But I think the fact that cosmically he knows you have to take the reins off of Josh Allen.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's how you win a game, like you won.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let me get your take then on Joe Brady first.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: I guess, like, you know, let's reverse engineer it.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: The decision to just kick, what was it, 47?
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Should be at the ready here.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the... 45, I'm sorry.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: It was a 45-yarder in overtime for Tyler Bass when they could have tried...
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_01: Inch a little closer for their kicker.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: I did appreciate his explanation after the game where the Rams are in all out blitz mode.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to crowd the line of scrimmage.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to just take knees to melt the clock and lose two or three yards
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: and make it closer to a 50 yarder.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: But you also don't want to give the ball back to the Rams.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of bad things can happen if you try to run it to James Cook again, obviously.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of bad things can happen if you try to push the ball down the field.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_01: The passing game was a struggle.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Josh Allen, yeah, you could run a boot or something.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_01: That could blow up in your face, and you got somebody right there, and you fumble.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: Anything can happen.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: So they had a lot of time to think about that, right?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you remember, there was a good – the play clock and the game clock We're in their favor.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: So they had a good 38, 39 seconds to just think about this.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then it hit the two-minute warning.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then they had that long break.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: So Joe Brady said it took a long time.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: They were going through all these scenarios in their head.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: And they decided, okay, 45 yards, Tyler Bass, kick it, end it, win it.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: Initially, I was like, what in the hell are they thinking here?
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Get closer.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: And...
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's all resulting.
• 12:19
  SPEAKER_01: I remember Sean McDermott used that word with me once when I sat down with him.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: We all do it, right?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good decision if it worked out.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's a bad decision if it didn't.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: Joe Brady can't get caught up into that.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: The process that led him to that decision to just kick it versus inch
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: a little closer with that element of risk.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: What did you make of that?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm laughing because you are right.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think after this weekend too, we are,
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I love it too,
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_00: because we are, everybody now is a game time clock management expert.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Just like I used to say when I was in personnel, everybody's definitely a draft expert.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: On the day of the draft, the grades come out.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody's played football.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Reuben Bain destroying the NFL.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: You see what I'm saying?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_01: We got the Reuben Bain.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we're going to get into,
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going to finish with him because we're going to,
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: we're going to talk about him at the end.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: But my point is that Everybody thinks they can do everybody's job.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: And for this to be his fifth game as a head coach at whatever age he's at
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: and experience that he's had, A-plus, man.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: Just keep going.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to learn.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Learn from whatever you want from this game.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: You got away with one because you have 17, however you want to phrase it.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: But learn from it.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: You can't be too critical of Joe Brady right now.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: They're playing a big-time team, one of the best head coaches in the NFL, McVay.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: On the road, Monday Night Football, and you just won.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: Great job.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, let's fine-tune it.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: We know there's a mess going on on defense.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: We can get there when you want.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: Here's one thing I love that Joe Brady's doing,
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: the way he's handling Cook, because not everybody's gone through this before.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: When you have a leading rusher who,
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: at this point, I mean, we've talked about it for two years now, it's real.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_00: The fumbles are real.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now, those punch-outs were amazing.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not taking away the punch-outs are incredible.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't really know what else Cook can do because you have to give credit to the defense too.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: But it's in his head.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's in Brady's head as a head coach now.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: If he's thinking about,
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: can I not run Cook in the fourth quarter, which we've talked about before.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: So this is where they have to iron out.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: But what I love what he did was he just kept giving him the ball and didn't phase.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he phased him out a little bit.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_00: He mixed him in, but he got him right back involved.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's key.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_00: You're not getting away from it.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: I talked about Adrian Peterson's the only one I keep thinking of with this,
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: where you have a top-level talent, but there is a serious issue.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I always say when I worked for the Saints in that NFC Championship game
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_00: when we beat Favre and the Vikings,
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: early in that game, the Vikings were the better team.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: They should have won that game that day.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: But Peterson fumbled early that killed some momentum for Minnesota.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just telling you,
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: I remember thinking that – This guy,
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: you can never put Adrian Peterson as the greatest back ever in your conversations
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: because of that.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: He just had that issue.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what Cook has.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I think you live with it as best you can,
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: but you have to still have, you have to believe in him, have faith in him.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: He has to know it.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: You saw one of the greatest running backs in
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: the NFL look like every high school kid you've ever seen that you've played with
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: or you've seen have a bad game.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: It brings you all back to it's humbling.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_00: It hurts.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: We're all rooting for Cook right now because we know how good he is.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: But it's not like second base Chuck Knobloch when you get in baseball
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: and you can't throw to first base from second base.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's not that because it's not that he has a mechanical issue, a toughness issue.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: I went back.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: I've looked at his fumbles.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: They are some really great plays by the defense, too.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: I don't always want it.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_00: They really do.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: And he does have a lot of attempts.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: So you're going to have some more fumbles.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we can get into all the basics of it.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I think you just got to keep keep the faith.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Keep going with him.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: He is so good.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: And the combo right now with Josh Allen and Cook in the backfield for any defensive coordinator.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Can't mess with it.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: You can't stop it, so just keep riding it.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to figure it out, and let's go.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: The whole city, the whole team at Buffalo, everybody just keep backing Cook.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: He'll be all right.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_01: And it aligns with what Joe Brady has said all along and believing in his players.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: You're not going to screw up and grab some bench and be in the doghouse
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: because you're going to – You're going to mess with a guy's mentality in
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: the short term and the long term.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: James Cook is one of, if not the best running back in football.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: And he showed it in this game.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know he's averaging 5.6 yards per carry this season?
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: And that's the best of his career on the heels of leading the NFL in rushing
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: and everything that he can do.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: There's not many backs in the NFL that are that tough between the tackles and a home run threat.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Usually you're one or the other.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Or skewed heavy one way or the other.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: He does it all.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: You need him on the field.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I said.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Last night it just hit me.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's Adrian Peterson.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: The production equals all that tolerance, production.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: You got to live with it.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: The talent is that good, so keep moving.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: That being said, 15 fumbles in the last three years and five games.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it is a problem that he's got to figure out.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, production equals tolerance.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: You just take it.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_00: You can take it.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_00: But to think about, like, so we're saying Joe Brady keeps, hey, keep riding it.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you saw the clip of the Alabama head coach this weekend,
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: but they had a play at the end of the game against Georgia,
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: and a player had like a penalty, a bad penalty.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: And as the player's coming off, you can read his lips saying, you just cost us the game.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like that is, that's a little bit of the opposite of to me, how you want to handle.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: I did see that actually.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: How you want to handle your players when they're a little fragile and they had
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: a rough play and they know it.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: You might not want to just, I just think about how we always preach.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's, it's never one play will cost you the game.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, no, there's never one play.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a,
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think X Packer, ha ha Clinton Dix.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's on the Alabama staff.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: He grabs the player and, Like, no, you need to listen to your coach here.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: And that was being praised by many for what I saw as, oh, I don't know if that's good coaching.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm all for hard coaching, but there is some sort of line to straddle.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Fine line.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Are we ready to talk defense?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to start or shall I?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well,
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_01: Let's start here.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: To me, most underrated play of the game.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's talking about it.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Two snaps before the Mavis block.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: Russo, you know, he's 6'6", the long arm, unbelievable block.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: But he might have made a better play two snaps before that.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: It looks inevitable.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Cook fumbles, the Rams drive right down the field.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: They're already in long field goal range.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I know Sean McVay was killing himself.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: And good for him, I guess.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: He wants to fall out all the swords that he can.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_01: And he was so conservative in that Bears divisional round game last year.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: I still remember that one where he just turtled up.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: They stopped the Bears at the goal line when it really could have been a pick six.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: On fourth and goal.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: But they get the ball, and they just were running into a brick wall.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: They gave it right back to Caleb Williams.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_01: Caleb Williams had the improbable TD to Cole Komet.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: And Chamevae said it then.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: He got way too conservative, way too safe.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Should have put the ball in Matthew Stafford's hands, all that.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: And he kind of said the same stuff after this game.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: And true, they did run it on third and five.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: The play before that, though, they had a nice little receiver screen to Puka Nakua.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: And before that, Tyron Williams is wide open down the middle of the field.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the Bills linebackers are also a mess right now.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: That was a nice day.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: And Greg Russo saved the day.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Russo was in his face.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: He forced the errant overthrow.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's a completion, a touchdown, walk off.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: And Russo saved the game there and then saved it again with a blocked field goal.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: He's been incredible for the Bills.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Deion Walker has been incredible for the Bills.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't make as many splash plays in this game.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: But he has.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: We've got a story at Golong.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: But he has.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: He's a presence.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: I was laughing.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: I read your story,
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: and it was awesome on Walker because last week when we were talking about him,
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: or a couple weeks ago,
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: I mentioned I went back and watched him at Kentucky from a couple years ago
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: because he had a high production year, and you had kind of smiled.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: And you didn't tell me at the time.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: You were already digging away on that.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: So it was fun.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: It was cool.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, okay.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: That's why he was laughing.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: It was good to hear all the...
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: But go ahead.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: But to your point, those two...
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: I want your take, though, because you're... As an aside, Eagle Scout, St.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Scout, Bill's Director of Personnel, Jim Onus, obviously.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: I was really fascinated by his fall to 109 overall.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's tattooed on his shoulder.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: He doesn't have a chip on the shoulder.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: He's...
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it's Deion Walker himself,
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: his coaches,
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: everybody says he doesn't use that as motivation,
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: but he does have a tattoo of where he was picked.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: And we heard about the back issue, and that obviously was a problem.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it's a pars defect,
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_01: which a lot of adolescents get,
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: where it's like a crack between the vertebrae, right?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: And he just got it later in life.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: And he attributed...
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: The lack of production,
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: his junior year at Kentucky,
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think he had seven and a half sacks as a sophomore, one as a junior.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, as a nose tackle, though,
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: not to cut you off,
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: but as a nose tackle or D tackle at his size, sacks, the stats, we don't give it.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: We don't care about the stats.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: What we care about is that freak movement that you have.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: And now I want you to get back on this,
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: but I think where you're headed, the medical thing may be the reason.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_01: It was, but where I want your scouting perspective is,
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: and Brandon Bean was really honest,
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: because whether it's the GM in Buffalo,
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: the GM for any of the 32 teams, you're trying to get the truth.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: You're trying to get into these buildings and get the good, the bad, the ugly.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know there's a lot of dabbles out there that are going to just wax poetic
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: about everybody in the building being a stand-up human being.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to get the truth.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: So Deion Walker doesn't even blame the NFL for his fall to 109.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: He pinpointed it.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: It was the offensive coordinator and people on the offensive staff bad-mouthing him
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: to NFL teams, saying that he's lazy.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that was where they got out.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_01: There it is.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Vince Moreau was the associate head coach.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: He was there in Kentucky.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: He liked the head coach kind of had his back as well.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: But he's like, you know, The NFL teams, they don't really know.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: They're just trying to get the truth.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're hearing that I'm lazy from these coaches,
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_01: and he didn't even want to blame some of those coaches because he's like,
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_01: they're not exactly talking to the trainer about my pars defect and what I'm going
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: through and the pain that I have out there.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: So anyways, he had it all up.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, he would play high.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: He admitted he'd kind of stand up right away and get pushed around at times.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's how a Deion Walker falls somehow to the fourth round.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, that's the strength of the team.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Walker, Dwayne Carter had a big play.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: Greg Rousseau had the two game-saving plays.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: I suppose you hang your hat on that if you're Buffalo.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: You're going to be relying on these guys to get any stops,
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: to get any turnovers, because there are issues galore.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: In the secondary, especially.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Matthew Stafford, he got it.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: I felt like he threw to Puka Nakua 50 times.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: 24 targets to Puka Nakua.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: It seems like every game, too.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Almost to the point.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's funny you're saying.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't seem like there's enough catches to go around for the Rams,
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: for all these guys, but they're doing it.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: I would be frustrated if you're a Bills fan out there,
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_01: though, is, okay, Obviously, there are holes at safety, at corner, at linebacker.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Why isn't Jim Leonard just going down swinging?
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I talked to Russo about this.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'll write a story this week.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: He loves the scheme.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: He loves creating havoc up front,
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: sending pressure,
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: attacking, not just sitting back and letting offenses go 12 to 15 plays.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yet, You watch the Bills' defense, and I don't know.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't crunched the numbers.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: It didn't seem like they wanted to pressure Stafford a ton or show him a bunch
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: of different stuff.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: I suppose Stafford's seen it all, and he'll carve you up that way.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: But you're getting carved up anyways.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: And they were playing that 15-play drive kind of style in this game.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Brady even referenced it at halftime and then after the game that they were pleased
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: with the fact that the Rams had to work for their points,
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: work throughout their drives.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Puka's longest reception was 21 yards on his 17 receptions.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: But that strikes me as the defensive old.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: The defensive new should be attacking.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_01: Even if it's not pretty, do whatever you can to wreak havoc.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Get a turnover.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: Get a stop.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Get the ball back to Josh Allen.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: Big picture-wise, something is amiss there, it appears.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: We were texting a little bit earlier in the week on...
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: When a defensive coordinator starts using the word simplify,
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: like Jim Leonard did, that that can be a problem.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe they are trying to simplify things in a complicated scheme, and this is the result.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: The reason I roll eyes or when I text you simplify scares me is because
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_00: when you enter a – coaches are teachers.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're teaching, anybody knows.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: You build your syllabus, your outline for the class, your whole – There's a progression.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't like if you're coming in blazing and now you got to back off and simplify.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: That doesn't make sense to me.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: The great teachers, you teach.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: You establish your base.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: This is what we are.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody knows it.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: This is what we do.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: These are our core values.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Until that is done, until the core value is in place, then you add on.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: That might be the old school in me.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: But that's how football I've always been raised and taught with it.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen it from my whole life,
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: from my father,
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: who's a Division III Hall of Fame head coach,
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: to Andy Reid starting a West Coast offense in Philly,
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: to Sean Payton starting his offense from fresh in New Orleans.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen all of this, and there are progressions, and it goes on defense too.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what I always worry about when I just, what are you?
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_00: I still don't know what you are.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me what you are.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: Don't tell me you're a mix of 4-3.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: You're a match.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: You're this.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: We're a zone.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: We're multiple.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: I want to know you're 3-4, 4-3.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: I want to know roles because those are the teams that draft the best, too.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: The teams that know what you are, you draft the best.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_00: I always felt that way in New Orleans.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: We could close our eyes, hear another scout talk about a player from his area and already know.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: He's probably going to end up on our team.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like he hit all the check marks that we look for, blah, blah, blah.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's the great teams when you're rolling like that.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where you got to get to is the Bills right now.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not, it's still, look, it's game five for all this.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't mean it can't be corrected because you have some things going on,
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: like we say, that are good up front on the D line that you like.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now, last night, I didn't notice much, but it's okay.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: It was a tough game.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: You're going against, you know, world-class players.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: We can shootouts or shootouts.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, But like I said, there's some good things on the D-line.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: So can you build on that?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but man, the rest of that defense to me, I don't know.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: I keep saying it.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_00: I've said it now for a year and a half on this pod.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see the talent.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think – I tell you.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm already documented.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to come across too like I'm against it.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: I just don't see the talent.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why it's hard
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: for me to say how do you fix it.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: Missing on two first-round cornerbacks would be really bad.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: Now – The saving grace with the Kyrie alum pick was Christian Bedford finding him.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: But what have I said?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: How does he look to you, though?
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: How does he fit into this?
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he looks a little he looks off.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: He looks I don't want to say slow, but he looks off.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean,
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: literally off these third and three and third and fours where
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_01: the cornerbacks are not even on the screen.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: Create pressure, send blitzes, have your cornerbacks up in their mug.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: If you get beat for 70 yards, who gives a shit?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: Josh Allen is going to get the ball and he's going to score.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's the beauty of an attacking scheme.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: And Russo talked about that.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, we got to get the ball back to Josh Allen as often as we can.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: And this was a point made by a coach on the Packers staff
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: with How Jeff Halfley's defense and Matt LaFleur's offense really clashed toward
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: the end of last season when Green Bay's offense was at its best.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: And you think about that Bears playoff game,
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: quick strike, Watson, Golden,
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: who are like, I guess the best one-two punch at receiver in the NFL right now.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: And it's five plays, 80 yards, touchdown.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then the defense with Halfley, it's very bend but don't break.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: McDermott-like, keep it all in front of you.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Force them to go the length of the field because there'll be a holding call.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: There'll be a sack.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Something will screw it up.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's sound logic.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: It works for a lot of teams.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: But then you have a case that Chicago, the three and outs start adding up.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: The defense is on the field forever.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: They're getting gassed.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_01: They're getting worn down.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it all comes to a head.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: So why not when you've got Josh Allen?
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about it before the season, Jim.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: Just let the dogs out.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: Go.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Hell, whatever's being called isn't really working right now.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Granted,
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_01: you had the MVP winner and then the player who finished just,
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: what, a vote shy of winning MVP in back-to-back weeks, but it has not been pretty.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe what the doctor ordered is a little Kirk Cousins out there in Las Vegas.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that leads me.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know if the Bills are staying out West?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_00: Are they going back?
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: They are.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_00: What would you do?
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Is that smart?
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Not smart?
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: Smart.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Stay.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: That's tough.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: And now you're in this, you go into kind of a, you know, you're in this bunker mentality.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's kind of, it breaks up the season, to be honest.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think they, and nobody hates LA and Vegas.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: So wherever they're staying is going to
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: be all right.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Josh Allen had a quote.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm paraphrasing.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: We're trusting guys to be professionals here.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I told you before, we had those talks in draft meetings.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: I worked for New Orleans all the time.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's a different beast when you live in certain cities, New Orleans being one of them.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the curfew is there in Vegas or how many days they're staying in Vegas.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: I would imagine,
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: a few of these vested vets who have lived in Hamburg or Orchard Park or Colton,
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: New York may Want to explore.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe want to stray from the nest.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: They got the win.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: And you don't care how you get it.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think the identity on defense is a major question mark.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: The identity of the team is not, though.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, the resilience that they showed is evident once again, whether it's whoever.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it starts with Josh Allen.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's the Energy source for everything.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: But even like a Ty Johnson, he had some really big plays in this game.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: It seems like whenever he touches the ball, good things happen.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: Bench and Russo, Khalil Shakir had the 57-yarder.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: The play right before Cook's fumble, I think it was a shoestring tackle by Kitchens.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: So to hang in there through the ups,
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: through the downs,
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: through the ebbs,
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: through the flows,
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: there are a lot of teams with a lot of players who just don't respond
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: to things going haywire well.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: Green Bay got back on track, 31-7 against Chicago.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: We'll see where their season goes now.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: But that has been a problem for LeFleur's teams up to that point.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: But that's what stood out to me, Jim.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, just...
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: The guts, the resiliency, deriving hope from 17.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_01: What was your final takeaway from this win?
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, a couple things.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_00: I want to touch real quick for you.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: The Rams, the special teams coordinator, I would think, may be out like today.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_00: I have a feeling that could be going down.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: I've been through that before.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: The way McVay spoke, you know, kind of after the game, he was angry.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: He was angry for a reason.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: So that's going to get fixed.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: The other thing,
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: that safety,
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: the Bills may have cost the Rams safety number 37, last name Lake from UCLA.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: They may have cost him his – Quentin Lake.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Quentin Lake needs to be a – he doesn't move.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: The Bills exposed him badly last night in space.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: He's a slow guy to begin with.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: He was a late-round pick.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: That guy can't be playing.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: He should not be in space like that.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: He can't move.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I think the Rams,
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: they have some things to clean up there that the Bills definitely exposed
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: that player on defense for sure.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: But, yeah, this was the Josh Allen moment.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's his team.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Can't wait to see where it goes.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: The defense has to hang tight, keep getting after the quarterback, pop that ball out.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: That's like break and serve at this point, and you should be good to go with 17.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's where they're at, and keep pulling for Cook to hold on.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I think we know what this team is right now.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the real question is, Josh Allen, does he get a few days off a change in diapers?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: He took such pride in it and detailed the art of a tightly strapped diaper
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_01: and waking up in the middle of the night.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like, let's give Josh just a night or two off.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_01: He earned it.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: He earned it.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_01: I know they don't like nannies and help,
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: and him and Haley are doing it all themselves, which is awesome.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_01: I just hope he gets at least one full night's sleep after that game.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you're saying this.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: I love the analogy.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_01: I forget who said it.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody's like, he's treating his body like a rental car.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the Bills don't want to hear that.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: No, but the way you're just talking, you're right, though.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_00: The Bills owe him this week in Vegas.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, Cook, everybody owes Josh Allen a little bit, okay?
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, he needs to be able to maybe let him step up this week.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: Against Vegas.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: They owe him.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: 54 pass attempts for Stafford.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: He was only hit four times.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that's what I was going to say.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't notice.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: I was really, I thought the Rams, if you really, I went back, I was looking enough.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: They were paying attention to Walker.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: He was having a tough time getting his initial.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: He likes to like, like just shock people with that length off the ball.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then he can kind of get you off balance.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then, you know, he just gets you awkwardly pushes people around, but.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: To be honest,
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: like his movement skills aren't,
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: he's not a great, like Marcel Darius was a top high level athlete at D Tackle.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: Walker's not a great athlete.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: He's a big, powerful, kind of just move straight ahead type player.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: But his actual speed and so it's his numbers, his testing numbers are bad, like combine stuff.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: So when I watched him, but anyway, point is they did a good job on him.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: They paid attention to him, kind of grabbed him off the snap, neutralized him a little bit.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: And Stafford, what do I always tell you about the great quarterbacks?
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: They get rid of the football.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: They don't take sacks.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Jeff Rogers, the Bill's special teams coordinator, let's give him a game ball, too.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: Whether it's Tyler Bass getting his confidence back.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know that Jeff Rogers has to relay that to Joe Brady at that two-minute mark
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: in overtime.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_01: Is where's CBass' head at?
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: In so many words.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: And he's got to sound like this is what he did at warmup.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: This is where he's at confidence-wise.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's such a mental position.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: Got Trey Smack is hitting 60 yarders.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_01: Now he can't make a kick.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: Harrison Beavis had the game winner in the frigid cold against the Bears.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_01: Now he can't make a kick.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: Week to week, you don't know where these kickers are mentally.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_01: And that wide right to in the 23 divisional round against
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: the Chiefs could have ruined Tyler Bass's career.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: And they've got the confidence in him to step up, drill that kick.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_01: And also Jeff Schwartz, former NFL lineman, does an excellent job wherever you hear him.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: We've had him on the pod too.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: He pointed this out, just how the schematics of that block.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: It was to a tee.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Hoyt to Rousseau right down the line.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody just did their job perfectly to allow Rousseau to get in there and get an arm up.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's coaching.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: And you get what you emphasize, as Mike McCarthy loved to say.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: It does not seem like the Rams really give a damn about special teams.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a nuisance to McVay, Shanahan, LaFleur, these coaches from that tree.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, ugh, I don't want to deal with special teams.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's for...
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: That's for the fools.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_01: That's for the peasants.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_01: Screw it.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: It matters.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: It matters.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: You saw it in Philly, Jacksonville.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: Eight seconds.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: It matters.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: And whatever Jeff Rogers is doing is working.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: So kudos to him.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: Just do whatever you can to.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only thing I've ever learned with kickers.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: You're never going to be able to fully.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to go through it.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: They're going to have breakdowns, and it's hard.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: So do whatever you can to avoid having to use kickers.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: Score touchdowns.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I've always said.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: We do want them eliminated from the game.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: We're giving kickers way too much love.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: We want them out of football.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: Stop.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: They're not yet.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: Don't let those guys ruin your careers.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: You guys are out there killing yourselves.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm with you on Joe Brady.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's like his first nut cutting time making decisions on the fly game.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: That former fifth string wide receiver in high school running on the field
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: when it wasn't his turn.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's a strength of his to make decisions quick.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: And however that went down at the end,
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_01: he was going to be praised or killed and to have the conviction to do what he did.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: He did it.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well done, Joe Brady.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: But he might do it differently next time saying he learned from it, you know, and it's.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: The chip shot field goal though, Jim.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: The chip shot field goal.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: It made me want to puke.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Hard to believe.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know it's going to be a shootout.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm with you.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_01: Even though the defense did a pretty good job against Stafford for a while,
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_01: you know they're going to put up points to settle for.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: It was a, oh goodness, a 23-yard field goal.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to believe.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: A fourth and three?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: We're better than that.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a fourth and three from the Rams five.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: No, we're better than that.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: Agree.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: You break my heart.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: We're better than that.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: We have 17.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's end it there on a somber note involving kicking.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, last thing.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: I snuck in Reuben Bain, the defensive end rookie for Tampa.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: For your people that follow prop wagering, he's going to get a sack this week.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: They play Pittsburgh.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: He's going to get the old man.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Bain, his first sack in his NFL will be this week against Aaron Rodgers.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: He's got to get one.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: He's done nothing.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Noted Bain hater, Jim Otis, says Bain.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: No, not hater, just thought he was overdrafted.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: A little overdrafted.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: A little overdrafted.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_01: A little overdrafted.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: I like the player.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_00: He is tough.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: He is a tough player.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: I like him.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I think he's going to get one because I feel now I'm kind of pulling for him.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, all right, now it's time to do something.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: Reuben Bain will sack Aaron Rodgers.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: I hate gambling.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's a poison on society.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: And here you are dropping frickin' prop bets on a Bills podcast.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to talk about Bain.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: You're killing me.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: I just wanted to talk about Bain.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: We'll allow it.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: We'll allow it.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't mention Keyon Coleman.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: I thought we were going to get to Keyon, but we'll save that for another day.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: that was a problem when Kincaid,
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Knox, and Keyon Coleman combined for three receptions for 20 yards.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: They got to get that passing game going.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: They need DJ Moore on the field.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we buried the lead here.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's a good point.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: Offense look different without him.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, he can get separation.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: He gets open.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Josh goes to him.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: They need DJ Moore back ASAP.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_01: But in the meantime, you get this crazy-ass win.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: The Bills will take it and head to Sin City to face the Raiders next.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: Jim Onus, thank you so much for your time.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody out there, thank you so much for watching, listening, sharing, and reading.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Deion Walker got a lengthy feature live at golongtd.com.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody can read it.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I sat down with Deion Walker at his locker, Greg Rousseau, Dwayne Carter, Jason Rebrovich.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: The senior defensive assistant he's been coaching forever.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you were with him in Buffalo.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_00: Rebs is, hey, D3 Nation.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: Rebs, he's part of D3 Nation.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: SUNY Cortland, he was awesome, Jim.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_01: He was awesome to talk to.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: His analogy for defensive line play was great.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, it's like you're driving down the road.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: A deer jumps in front of you, and you've got to make that decision right now.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: Am I going to hit the deer?
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: Am I going to swerve?
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: Am I going to break?
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: And there's so much that leads up to that millisecond decision that Deion Walker,
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think we answered the question,
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: how in the hell is he doing this at 6'8",
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: 3.30, moving like he moves, as physically imposing as he is.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_01: It really is...
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_01: All between the ears.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_01: He's not just guessing out there.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_01: He really is.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_01: No, he's powerful.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: He's putting in a lot of film work and reading linemen and knowing how
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_01: to redistribute somebody's weight.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_01: He did it to Panay Sewell in week two.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, Rebs, he was great.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I totally forgot about your connection.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: He was there for Marone, for Rex, worked a lot with Marcel Darius.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: And we'll finish on Rebs because I want to give him respect
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: because he has been around some great defensive lines.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: Players and as a unit and coaches, he has been through it.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: So he, I have a lot of respect for Rebs and the coaching he is.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: And when you hear him speak,
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  SPEAKER_00: I know you were loving it because he is a true football,
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: you know, he's blood and guts type.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_00: Rebs is, he's, he's through and through old school football.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I know you like that.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: No, he's, he's qualified.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: Rebs is a good football coach.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: He was with the Saxville Jaguars.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that crew that went down there.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: They took him down there.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Robbed of the Super Bowl.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: Miles Jack wasn't down.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: And he's not a bullshitter, which I appreciate.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: You can tell he's given it to these guys straight.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: He's had a lot of heart-to-heart conversations with Deion Walker.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's pulling the best out of Deion Walker.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what it takes.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: You know,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I think one question that a lot of people had in Kentucky,
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  SPEAKER_01: even early on in Buffalo,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_01: Brandon Beam,
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: where they had him in on that top 30 visit,
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: and they're trying to see what makes him tick.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_01: You got to make sure this guy loves football, that he's got that fire inside.
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_01: Some have it, some don't.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: And his personality is very jovial.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Rubbervich called him like a bumbling giant.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: And then he dove into the story of, yes, one day they had a heart-to-heart conversation.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_01: And he was blunt, I'm sure, and used rhetoric he could not repeat.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: Then practice began.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: They dispersed individuals.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_01: And Deion Walker absolutely launched him.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: And he crashed on his shoulder.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: The coach did.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: Just drilling his own boss.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: And to this day, he says, I got a Dion shoulder and I have a Marcel shoulder.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's in there.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: And we're seeing it now out of Dion Walker.
• 45:58
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