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Cardinals bounce back with series win over Dodgers: Are they officially a good team? · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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Speaker 1: What's that?
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Speaker 2: Oh, no, no big deal, just another series win, this
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Speaker 2: one over the Rainy World Series champions. Welcome back to
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Speaker 2: Cardinal Territory, Katieu, Bernie Nicholas, here with you. The Saint
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Speaker 2: Louis Cardinals played another thrilling series here at Bushetia, and
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Speaker 2: they took two or three from the Dodgers, won five nothing,
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Speaker 2: shut them out on Friday, the walk off win two
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Speaker 2: to one on Saturday, and lost seven to three today.
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Speaker 2: But a lot to like about Michael mcgreevy's spots start,
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Speaker 2: which we'll get into. All around, though, pretty good weekend
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Speaker 2: for the Saint Louis Cardinals.
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Speaker 1: They seem to be back on track. Bernie, your opinions.
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Speaker 3: Well, I know, we'll talk about McGreevy. I'm totally cool
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Speaker 3: with the way he pitched the to day. You know,
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Speaker 3: he showed some real quality And as I told you
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Speaker 3: before we started recording, I mean, did we really think
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Speaker 3: that in three days the Los Angeles Dodgers wouldn't score
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Speaker 3: some runs?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know it's inevitable. They did an incredible
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Speaker 3: job really holding the Dodgers down, as like Otani and
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Speaker 3: Freeman especially so. But I like the way McGreevy looked
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Speaker 3: today like the way he battled back up. The other
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Speaker 3: thing is, and we were talking about this, so the Cardinals,
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Speaker 3: you know, win a series from the Dodgers, and is
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Speaker 3: it time? And I'm nationally is one thing, but I'm
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Speaker 3: even talking about locally, isn't it time that we sort
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Speaker 3: of view the Cardinals differently? You know? Whenever they beat
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Speaker 3: a really good team, like they win in Philadelphia or
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Speaker 3: you know, something like that. You know, they beat the
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Speaker 3: Mets here, you know, whatever it may be. Now, the
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Speaker 3: Dodgers and Arizona before that, there's always kind of like,
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Speaker 3: you know, collectively, we're like surprised, we're a little surprised. Well,
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Speaker 3: why should we be surprised? The Cardinals have been once
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Speaker 3: they got their bullpen straight. The Cardinals have been winning
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Speaker 3: series against really good teams, you know, for more than
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Speaker 3: to say April May, you know, almost two months. So
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Speaker 3: this is who they are. But we we you know,
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Speaker 3: I think I think in Saint Louis, you know, and
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Speaker 3: this applies to everybody. I'm not dogging fans, there's almost
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Speaker 3: this tendency to just kind of like, okay, they you know,
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Speaker 3: they didn't have a good series against Kansas City, at
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Speaker 3: least what you know with It's like everybody's like, oh
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Speaker 3: the other shoe about the drop type thing. I think
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Speaker 3: it's I think it's kind of funny. There's anxiety over
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals when they lose a series, but we sort
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Speaker 3: of we almost minimize the fact that they've had so
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Speaker 3: much success against really good teams.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're reading my mind. Shocker, because I
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Speaker 2: struggle with this a little bit. The Cardinals had that
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Speaker 2: not good series against Texas and I got a lot
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Speaker 2: of here they go aggressing to their met and the
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Speaker 2: real Cardinals are here, and I thought, well, they just
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Speaker 2: won eight of their last ten series and they tied
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Speaker 2: one of those, So really nine out of ten successful
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Speaker 2: series and they have one bad one that's going to
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Speaker 2: happen over the course of a one hundred and sixty
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Speaker 2: two game season. I think we're being a little dramatic.
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Speaker 2: And the Royal series didn't go much better. But look,
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Speaker 2: there's a doubleheader in there. It is really hard to
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Speaker 2: win both games of a doubleheader. I know the Cardinals
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Speaker 2: have done that a couple times, but that does not
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Speaker 2: take away from how difficult that task is.
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Speaker 1: And came in and you know, it was like the
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Speaker 1: sky was.
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Speaker 2: Falling, you know, the pitching. Here comes the regression. Matthew liberatory,
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Speaker 2: he is who he is. That was his first bad start,
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Speaker 2: like really bad start, where the metrics weren't there and
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Speaker 2: the mechanics weren't there all season, And I get we've
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Speaker 2: been conditioned to expect the worst with his organization, So
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Speaker 2: maybe that's why we're a little hesitant to accept that
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Speaker 2: good things are happening here. But my argument there, especially
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Speaker 2: seeing how this how this team played against the Dodgers,
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Speaker 2: is I actually think the average is a series like this,
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Speaker 2: and the anomalies are a series like the Rangers series
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Speaker 2: and to an extent, the Royal series. So I don't
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Speaker 2: think it was that bad of a series. And maybe
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Speaker 2: the Saint Louis Cardinals are a good team this year.
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Speaker 2: Are we ready to say that?
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Speaker 3: You know, you and I did this a couple three
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Speaker 3: weeks back, maybe, and I think we agreed at that
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Speaker 3: time we were, Yeah, I think they're good. But I'm
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Speaker 3: even more convinced that they're good. You know why, because
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Speaker 3: you find out of the team when they hit their
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Speaker 3: first little rut, like the Cardinals have been just rolling
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Speaker 3: over everybody. You know, and they lost what was it,
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Speaker 3: they lost three three out of five series, two in
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Speaker 3: a row, and you know, they were like five hundred
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Speaker 3: for about two weeks, and so you're like, okay, well
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Speaker 3: they've they've come back to earth. Now what now they
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Speaker 3: beat the Dodgers two out of three and they're pitching
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Speaker 3: for two days, held them to one run in eighteen innings,
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Speaker 3: you know stuff. So I think we need to have
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Speaker 3: a little more confidence in them. But the other thing,
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Speaker 3: and I'm not going to get into like, you know,
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Speaker 3: a lot of numbers in terms of but I was checking.
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Speaker 3: You know, you go through all the teams in the
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Speaker 3: National League that are considered better than the Cars. Okay,
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Speaker 3: they've all had patches where they're terrible. They all, they've all,
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Speaker 3: you know, they're like, this isn't a Saint Louis thing
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Speaker 3: where the team plays well and then it maybe stinks up,
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Speaker 3: it stinks a couple series. Everybody does that, everybody.
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Speaker 2: So literally, the Phillies got set by the Pirates this weekend.
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Speaker 2: Are we ready to say the Phillies are not a
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Speaker 2: good baseball team?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? I didn't even realize that. And then the other
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Speaker 3: thing I was telling you about this this morning, you know,
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Speaker 3: just to update it. Maybe we shouldn't be surprised that
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Speaker 3: they beat the Dodgers two out of three at home,
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Speaker 3: because number one, First of all, the Cardinals are very
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Speaker 3: good at home. The Dodgers are about a five hundred
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Speaker 3: team on the road. But the other thing, that's here's
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Speaker 3: stuff I don't think most Cardinals fans realize. And by
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Speaker 3: the way, I didn't realize it either until I looked
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Speaker 3: it up. The Cardinals actually have a better record than
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Speaker 3: the Dodgers since April eleven. That's early in the season.
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Speaker 3: Remember when the Cardinals got home from they had that
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Speaker 3: terrible trip to Boston then Pittsburgh. Since that road trip,
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals have a better record. They're thirty two and
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Speaker 3: twenty three, and you know the Dodgers over that time, Well,
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Speaker 3: I don't. I didn't look the Dodgers' record up, but
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Speaker 3: I know putty this way. See, I'm screwing up my
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Speaker 3: own note I got. Since April eleventh, the Cardinals have
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Speaker 3: the third best winning percentage of the National League, behind
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Speaker 3: Chicago and the Mets. Now, if you want to go
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Speaker 3: to April thirtieth, if you want to go from the
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Speaker 3: start of May, you want to go. Since May fourth,
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals have the best record either in the National
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Speaker 3: League or the Majors. And the thing that's really kind
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Speaker 3: of funny to me. Since May the fourth, when the
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Speaker 3: Cardinals got hot, going into today, they were seven and
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Speaker 3: a half games ahead of the Dodgers. Since May the fourth,
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Speaker 3: they have a better record than the Dodgers since April eleventh.
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Speaker 3: So I gotta admit, though, I'm not being a hypocrite.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna same way. I was the same way.
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Speaker 1: I get it. You know.
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Speaker 3: I thought, maybe, like, well, they'll probably yeah, maybe they'll
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Speaker 3: lose two out of three, you know, the Cardinals, And
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Speaker 3: so I was a little skeptical, even though the Dodgers
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Speaker 3: are torn up, just chewed up by pitching injuries. But no,
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Speaker 3: I think maybe we need to give the fellows a
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Speaker 3: little more confidence, show a little more confidence to them.
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Speaker 3: I tend to have a little bit of an overreaction
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Speaker 3: when they play a couple they play an ugly series.
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Speaker 3: I don't like it. It's also a good sign because
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Speaker 3: it means that I expect more from them, and we
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Speaker 3: should because they're good.
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Speaker 2: They are, They've I think they've earned this kind of again.
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Speaker 2: I know when you've had trust issues with his organization,
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Speaker 2: like many of you feel that you have.
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Speaker 1: I certainly understand you have this. You've been guarded. I
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Speaker 1: get it. Let's unpack that. But they've done a really
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Speaker 1: nice job in coming out.
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Speaker 2: A here and after the Rangers series sucked and they
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Speaker 2: come out against Kansas.
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Speaker 1: City and doesn't go their way. The weather does play
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Speaker 1: into that.
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Speaker 2: Then you're all of a sudden looking at the Los
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Speaker 2: Angeles Dodgers and you're like, oh, great, But good teams
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Speaker 2: respond to that. And something that Allie Marmal said postgame
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Speaker 2: today stuck with me. He said, look, we dropped the
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Speaker 2: game today, didn't sweep them, but they felt us every
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Speaker 2: single inning of all three of these games. They felt
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Speaker 2: us pressing, they felt our advats, they felt our defense.
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Speaker 1: They could not let up.
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Speaker 2: And that was so true because while the Cardinals didn't
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Speaker 2: cash in on an abundance of scoring opportunities in Sunday's game,
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Speaker 2: they were there and the Dodgers had to keep tacking
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Speaker 2: on to ensure that they felt comfortable with that lead.
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Speaker 2: That's a sign of a good team that they came
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Speaker 2: out here and they said, yeah, we had not a
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Speaker 2: great week of baseball. We're facing one of the best
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Speaker 2: teams in baseball at home, and this can go one
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Speaker 2: of two ways. We can roll over or we can fight.
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Speaker 2: They fought, They took two out of three, and even
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Speaker 2: their lost today. I didn't really have a lot of
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Speaker 2: issue with and we'll get into McGreevy later in the show.
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Speaker 1: Sure, but look how many good teams do the Cardinals
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Speaker 1: have to beat?
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Speaker 2: I mean, let's look at the records between the two
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Speaker 2: right now, Bernie at the Dodgers are thirty nine and
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Speaker 2: twenty seven. The Cardinals are thirty six and twenty nine.
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Speaker 2: That's not that far apart from each other. So the ironically,
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Speaker 2: the last I think truly good team the Cardinals have
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Speaker 2: to face in the National League it's the Chicago Cubs,
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Speaker 2: and they'll see them for the first time at the
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Speaker 2: end of June. But I mean, am I out here
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Speaker 2: saying that the Cardinals are like the favorite to win
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Speaker 2: the World Series?
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Speaker 1: No, of course not.
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Speaker 2: But when I'm looking at the National League, do I
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Speaker 2: throw the Cardinals now in.
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Speaker 1: The competitive team bucket? I do, I very much, do
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Speaker 1: you want?
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Speaker 3: And yeah, one more point to add, and this is
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Speaker 3: something I know a lot of Cardinals fans know and
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Speaker 3: even the Cardinals loss today, but coming into today, you know,
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Speaker 3: they had the third best record in the majors against
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Speaker 3: teams with a winning record. They were, they were behind
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Speaker 3: the Mets and the Yankees. They were. They have they
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Speaker 3: had a better they had they Yeah, the Cardinals, the
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Speaker 3: poor little Cardinals had a better record against winning teams
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Speaker 3: than the mighty Dodgers with their If you add in
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Speaker 3: the penalties and all this stuff of the luxury tax,
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Speaker 3: the Dodgers are gonna end up spending five hundred and
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Speaker 3: sixty million players this year. So the poor little, the
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Speaker 3: poor little you know, the poor little weak Cardinals, a
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Speaker 3: little the little engine that could. You know, they're they're
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Speaker 3: they're a good team. So let's let's show let's show
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Speaker 3: them some respect.
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Speaker 2: We're declaring this five fifty two pm Central Time Sundays.
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Speaker 2: You may say, Louis Cardinals are a good baseball team.
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Speaker 3: They got, they got they got another test though Toronto
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Speaker 3: has been red hot there, so this will be another
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Speaker 3: test for our poor little Cardinals.
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Speaker 2: I think heading into play today, the buddhas had what
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Speaker 2: eleven of their last twelve, but some really good base fall,
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Speaker 2: so we'll see a never ending test over the course.
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Speaker 1: Of six months. What a season?
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Speaker 2: All right, Cardinal territory listeners, fans, whatever you call yourselves,
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Speaker 2: bear with me. We got a segment here from Arena Club.
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Speaker 2: You know how I am with the technical duties, but
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Speaker 2: I feel good about it.
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Speaker 3: You'll do it.
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Speaker 1: Bit about myself.
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Speaker 2: Let's let's hear about our We'll call it a player
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Speaker 2: of the series. He did not play, but it's important
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Speaker 2: to have an injury update here on Jordan Walker. So
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Speaker 2: we'll do that, presented by Arena Club. All right, no
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Speaker 2: pressure or anything. So Jordan Walker, we have an update
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Speaker 2: with him. He went on the injured list out in
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Speaker 2: Texas and the Cardinals were hoping to activate him before
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Speaker 2: or today before the game against the Dodgers. Now that
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Speaker 2: did not happen, and the reason for that is because
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Speaker 2: he had a minor setback, had a little bit of
10:53
Speaker 2: some some soreness in that risk, so he got an
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Speaker 2: injection earlier in the week, some anti inflammatory injection. So
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Speaker 2: he was not able to take swings for the last
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Speaker 2: couple of days. He did take swings today and according to.
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Speaker 1: Ollie Marble, everything looked good.
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Speaker 2: Club night. So took swings and it sounds like well,
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Speaker 2: the Cardinals were hoping that he would not have to
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Speaker 2: uh want to rehab assignment.
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Speaker 1: He might have to take a couple of days, but
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Speaker 1: they still don't think it's.
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Speaker 2: That serious with Jordan Walker. He could be back as
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Speaker 2: early as the end of next week. So yeah, a
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Speaker 2: little bit longer than his originally planned injured league st
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Speaker 2: are injured injured listent, but all things considered, he's respondibilly
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Speaker 2: well to that shot and should be good to go,
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Speaker 2: hopefully later in the week. We'll have a better idea
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Speaker 2: on Tuesday if he does need a rehab assignment.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, there are no.
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Speaker 2: Minor league games on Mondays, so the earliest he'd be
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Speaker 2: able to go out would be Tuesday.
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Speaker 1: So that's where they're with Jordan Walker.
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Speaker 2: In the meantime, we've seen a lot of Ryan Belay, honestly, candidly,
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Speaker 2: a little bit more than I thought we would.
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Speaker 1: I thought we'd see.
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Speaker 2: More of Nolan Gorman, and I know that the Cardinals
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Speaker 2: have faced a lot of lefties, including today Clayton Kershaw.
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Speaker 2: They had two lefties in the doubleheader against Kansas City.
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Speaker 2: I'm a little disappointed in the lack of playing time
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Speaker 2: we've seen from Nolan.
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Speaker 1: Gorman so far.
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Speaker 2: I hope with the stretch of right handers coming up
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Speaker 2: that we'll be able to see more of him because
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Speaker 2: I thought he actually took some really good at bats
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Speaker 2: and some really good swings, So we'll see something I.
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Speaker 1: Really liked about Nolan Gorman.
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Speaker 2: And you can see these in the swings, even if
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Speaker 2: they don't really amount to contact at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Is watch his front stride.
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Speaker 2: It's way less in front, his hip is flying less out,
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Speaker 2: it's more in control. He told me he's been working
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Speaker 2: on this since the series in Kansas City, where he's
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Speaker 2: trying to limit that French stride and limit the amount
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Speaker 2: of motion in the front and stay more at level,
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Speaker 2: and he feels like he feels like it's really helping.
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Speaker 2: He had a textbook swing and the ninth inning to
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Speaker 2: lead off for that Grandmial double that ultimately won the game,
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Speaker 2: and I think that's.
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Speaker 1: The swing he's trying to replicate.
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Speaker 2: So while we don't like this for Jordan Walker, fully
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Speaker 2: this does ley for more playing time for Nolan Gorman
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Speaker 2: this week. I don't really know what we need to
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Speaker 2: see out of Ryan Blade. He's done a nice job.
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Speaker 2: I thought he'd be a twenty six man, not a starter.
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Speaker 2: So hopefully we'll see some playing time more in Nolan
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Speaker 1: Saw him?
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm actually disappointed. I wanted to see an Otani
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Speaker 2: Homer so bad.
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Speaker 1: Is that too much to ask? Is that what?
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Speaker 2: That too much to ask for this weekend? I just
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Speaker 2: for for the optics alone. I know it's not what
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Speaker 2: we should be rooting for, but I wanted to see
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Speaker 3: and Freeman in this series against Cardinals five for twenty four,
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14:08
Speaker 3: starting to hit. He was starting to becoming an increasingly
14:11
Speaker 3: important member of that lineup now, and this ties into
14:17
Speaker 3: who was playing. Who was the Aufner you mentioned Latti, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I say his name wrong. So that's why I've been
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Speaker 3: insecure about that. All right. Here, here's why this is
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Speaker 3: all intertwined. You know, not enough at bats for Gorman,
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Speaker 3: Walker being injured, having to rely on you know, a
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Speaker 3: kind of a triple a quadruple a player to start
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Speaker 3: games in the right field. I think other teams realize
14:42
Speaker 3: the Cardinals are really heavy with left handed hitters. Right,
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Speaker 3: So the Cardinals have had going into today, They've had
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Speaker 3: it today, won't change it because Kershaw is great. The
14:54
Speaker 3: Cardinals have had the third most played appearances against left
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Speaker 3: handed pitching this year, and they are twenty sixth in
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Speaker 3: the number of plate appearances against right handed pitching. And
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals as a team, because of all the lefty
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Speaker 3: bats are you know, frankly are below the numbers say
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Speaker 3: they are below average against left handed pitching, and they
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Speaker 3: are very healthily above average against right handed pitching. So
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Speaker 3: it isn't a matter of like, oh, I hope Walker
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Speaker 3: can do, but you know they need Walker because he
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Speaker 3: can make a difference because I was surprised to see
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Speaker 3: Maybe I shouldn't be surprised that they were so, you know,
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Speaker 3: so mediocre against left handed pitching this year and they're
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Speaker 3: seeing a lot of it. It all makes sense because
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Speaker 3: they just have that heavy population of left handed hitters.
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Speaker 2: They do, and I think you're seeing some of that
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Speaker 2: across the board. Some you know, Burlison can mash and
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Speaker 2: Righty's not too great against lefties. Victor Scott going through
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Speaker 2: some struggles right now, specificly against lefties.
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Speaker 1: So it does make sense.
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16:53
Speaker 2: Spanish radio broadcaster, and I were going to seven eleven
16:56
Speaker 2: before a game and they just had these these packs
16:59
Speaker 2: and I was like, I haven't seen them, like just
17:02
Speaker 2: available out to buy. Anyway, I pulled a twenty twenty
17:06
Speaker 2: two Stephen matt In a twenty twenty two Eric Fetti
17:08
Speaker 2: and they asked me. I told both of them I
17:10
Speaker 2: was very excited about it, and they were like, it's
17:12
Speaker 2: probably worth the combined two dollars.
17:13
Speaker 1: Said, okay, probably, but no, rita club really cool way,
17:16
Speaker 1: a real modern way to keep up with with trading cards.
17:20
Speaker 1: That's a really fun part of the game. So I
17:23
Speaker 1: like them. I think it's fun.
17:24
Speaker 3: Now.
17:24
Speaker 2: Something else I thought was really fun was watching Michael
17:27
Speaker 2: mcgreeby today. As we know, I'm cardinal territory. This is
17:29
Speaker 2: a pro Michael McGreevy podcast. Yes, and I thought his
17:33
Speaker 2: outing today I actually had zero issue with.
17:35
Speaker 1: I know, the line isn't like super great.
17:37
Speaker 2: Six innings, four or runs, eight hits, no walk, So
17:40
Speaker 2: got to like that five strikeouts.
17:42
Speaker 1: Threw one hundred and one pitches.
17:43
Speaker 2: But it was the way that the outing came together
17:45
Speaker 2: that I thought was super encouraging. He comes out first
17:48
Speaker 2: pitch of the game, one hundred and six mile power
17:50
Speaker 2: laser off of Battle of Tani, standing on second base.
17:52
Speaker 1: All right, here's your test.
17:54
Speaker 2: Ollie Marmel said before the game that this would be
17:56
Speaker 2: a really good test for Michael mcgreeby because of the
17:59
Speaker 2: amount of lefties in the Dogger's lineup. But yeah, when
18:02
Speaker 2: you have lefties like Otanni and Freddie Freeman, that certainly
18:05
Speaker 2: checks out. So he goes out there. In the first
18:07
Speaker 2: eleven batters, he faced eight registered exit bulows of ninety
18:11
Speaker 2: five miles per hour or higher. He was getting rocked.
18:14
Speaker 2: It led to a three to zero deficit by the
18:18
Speaker 2: second inning. Could have been a lot worse if not
18:20
Speaker 2: for an estellar play by Mason Winn and the favorable
18:22
Speaker 2: outcome for replay review.
18:24
Speaker 1: I kind of thought Conturers was off the bag. But yeah, oops.
18:28
Speaker 1: And then here's what I really liked about the outing.
18:31
Speaker 2: Bernie McGreevy had a mid game adjustment, came out in
18:35
Speaker 2: the third inning, switched it up, kept his same mindset though,
18:38
Speaker 2: didn't panic, just executed differently and allowed oneer and run
18:41
Speaker 2: over his last four innings offer fifty five mile per
18:43
Speaker 2: hour like Swibbler off the bat of Tommy Edmund, and
18:47
Speaker 2: everything played up. The whips played up, the execution played up,
18:50
Speaker 2: the hard contact was down, and he found a way
18:53
Speaker 2: not only to mitigate the damage, but stay in this
18:56
Speaker 2: ballgame for six innings to relieve a very tax bullpen.
19:00
Speaker 2: I thought that was well. Of course, the Cardinals didn't
19:03
Speaker 2: get the win. That's the ultimate goal. That's a huge
19:05
Speaker 2: test from a greevy and where he's at in his
19:07
Speaker 2: development and where he can adjust at the big league level.
19:10
Speaker 2: Being able to do so and get such good results
19:12
Speaker 2: that to me is super super encouraging.
19:14
Speaker 3: No, you're absolutely right. Listen, and all pitching performances, especially
19:18
Speaker 3: by starters, should be we should always put it into
19:22
Speaker 3: proper context. I mean, the Dodgers came to town, and
19:26
Speaker 3: even though the Cardinals did an incredible job of limiting
19:29
Speaker 3: them in the first two games. The Dodgers came to town,
19:32
Speaker 3: and the reasons for some of their losing ways ninety
19:36
Speaker 3: eight percent of it is pitching. Lack of pitching depth.
19:39
Speaker 3: They came to town basically ranked first or second in
19:42
Speaker 3: the majors in everything offensively. I mean, it's just like
19:45
Speaker 3: just a scary deep lineup. So you have McGreevy who
19:49
Speaker 3: is really very much in experience at the major league level,
19:53
Speaker 3: and like you said, they were hitting rockets and it
19:56
Speaker 3: started off pretty rough, very loudly for him to make
20:02
Speaker 3: to not fall apart, not get rattled, and to calmly
20:06
Speaker 3: make adjustments on the fly and to shut them down
20:08
Speaker 3: for what did you say, four more innings after that.
20:11
Speaker 3: I mean that that's a victory within a loss, if
20:16
Speaker 3: that makes sense.
20:17
Speaker 1: Oh, is that a great way to put it.
20:18
Speaker 3: Because that really it was a victory because he saved
20:21
Speaker 3: the bullpen with Toronto coming in. But it was a
20:23
Speaker 3: victory also because he earned credibility even though he's the
20:27
Speaker 3: losing picture in the game. He earned credibility as a
20:30
Speaker 3: young starter because he was a total pro. It's like, Okay,
20:33
Speaker 3: these are the Dodgers they're getting wax, I better change
20:37
Speaker 3: some things up and approach this different, and he did.
20:40
Speaker 3: This is a kid, I mean, this isn't an experienced
20:42
Speaker 3: major league starting pitcher. So I was very impressed by
20:46
Speaker 3: the way he adjusted on the fly.
20:48
Speaker 2: Same and this is how we evaluate under Kiwante might
20:51
Speaker 2: be liberatory, right, if their starts are going walking to
20:53
Speaker 2: begin the outing, how do they adjust? And you know,
20:56
Speaker 2: Livy especially has been able to do a really nice
20:58
Speaker 2: job of that. But with macgree this is the first
21:00
Speaker 2: time that we really seen him at the major league
21:02
Speaker 2: level have to do that, and that game could have
21:04
Speaker 2: gotten really out of hand. I mean, it could have
21:05
Speaker 2: been six seven, nothing after three innings if he didn't
21:08
Speaker 2: do that. So that to me shows where he is
21:11
Speaker 2: as an early major league caliber starter. Look, I know
21:15
Speaker 2: Michael McGreevey does not have anything left to prove in Memphis.
21:19
Speaker 1: He should be on the major league club.
21:20
Speaker 2: We all know this. The Cardinals know this, he knows this,
21:24
Speaker 2: we know why he's not. And we're not going to
21:25
Speaker 2: rehash the say margament we had alive spring training because
21:27
Speaker 2: I do. While I don't lug it, I do understand it,
21:30
Speaker 2: and I do ultimately think it's the right call for
21:33
Speaker 2: the organization. But in terms of what's next for Michael mcgreeby,
21:39
Speaker 2: I can see him taking his immediate.
21:41
Speaker 1: Future at least one more spot start this month.
21:44
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be any time in
21:45
Speaker 2: the next week or so, because the Cardinals on June
21:47
Speaker 2: sixteenth have their one off day this month, so there
21:51
Speaker 2: is a way to keep the projected five your five
21:54
Speaker 2: starters on.
21:55
Speaker 1: Their six day schedule using that off day.
21:57
Speaker 2: But after that off day, the next scheduled off day
21:59
Speaker 2: is not July third, So I believe this is my speculation, but.
22:03
Speaker 1: It makes sense somewhere.
22:04
Speaker 2: Between June sixteenth and July third, we will see Michael
22:07
Speaker 2: McGreevy in the same role again, the same spot start.
22:09
Speaker 2: But to me, it seems like the Cardinals that's how
22:12
Speaker 2: they're gonna use him, that's how they're gonna keep him
22:13
Speaker 2: in the majors.
22:14
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he's gonna be on the major league roster
22:15
Speaker 1: all the time.
22:16
Speaker 2: In fact, I would not be surprised if he's optioned
22:18
Speaker 2: on Monday just to bring in a new bullpen arm.
22:20
Speaker 2: Because the Cardinals aren't spots of through fifty pitches right,
22:23
Speaker 2: They'll be down to six bullpen arms.
22:24
Speaker 1: That's not gonna fly.
22:26
Speaker 2: So if the Cardinals do option McGreevy tomorrow, I still
22:30
Speaker 2: think we see him at least one more time this
22:32
Speaker 2: month and then who knows from there. But again, McGreevy
22:35
Speaker 2: doesn't have anything to prove in the minors.
22:37
Speaker 1: He should be at the majors. He's not right now
22:39
Speaker 1: because of the lack of depth issue.
22:41
Speaker 2: But I think the way that they're using him right now,
22:43
Speaker 2: they're alling Marble and Dusty Blake, are finding ways where
22:46
Speaker 2: he can come help them win.
22:48
Speaker 1: It's smart and hopefully.
22:50
Speaker 2: Soon well not hopefully soon, because I would mean someone
22:53
Speaker 2: is hurt, but hopefully we'll get to see Michael McGreevy
22:56
Speaker 2: in some capacity as a regular starter going forward right now,
23:00
Speaker 2: although using him as a spots start I think makes
23:01
Speaker 2: sense for all parties, including McGreevy, and I'm excited to
23:04
Speaker 2: see what he does when he does take that next one,
23:06
Speaker 2: or whenever that is.
23:08
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this because I'm curious, and
23:10
Speaker 3: I know everyone watching us, listening to us, and thank
23:14
Speaker 3: you very much. As always, I know that this is
23:17
Speaker 3: on the minds of the masses. So let me ask
23:19
Speaker 3: you this. How long do they stay with Polante. He's
23:23
Speaker 3: got a five eight er eight his last night starts.
23:26
Speaker 3: More problematic than that, I don't have the stats. I
23:28
Speaker 3: ask people to trust me because I'm all over this stuff.
23:31
Speaker 3: He is. He is statistically one of the worst pitchers
23:35
Speaker 3: in the major leagues starting pitching the major leagues. In
23:38
Speaker 3: his performance against right handed batters, they're just crushing them.
23:42
Speaker 3: He's almost I'm going to I'm gonna exaggerate it, but
23:45
Speaker 3: he at times he's almost defenseless against them. If that continues,
23:49
Speaker 3: how how long can you stick with that because you
23:52
Speaker 3: face a lot of right handed hitters. You know you can't.
23:55
Speaker 3: There's no way for him to duck right handed batters
23:57
Speaker 3: right The numbers are terrible and they are what they are.
24:01
Speaker 3: And then there's a also, Matthew Libator, And I'm gonna
24:05
Speaker 3: get differ to you on this one because you were
24:07
Speaker 3: down there talking to everybody. But I'm glad that what
24:11
Speaker 3: appeared to be a big time scare the Cardinals are
24:14
Speaker 3: minimizing and saying everything's fine. Libby said, everything's fine, But
24:18
Speaker 3: I think we all want to see evidence of that,
24:20
Speaker 3: you know, not that anybody's lying, not that anybody's lying.
24:23
Speaker 3: I really don't think anyone's think so. But still his
24:28
Speaker 3: next time out, you know you were going to be wondering, Okay,
24:31
Speaker 3: what's up? Is he going to get in sync this
24:32
Speaker 3: time or is he going to maintain his velocity? So
24:35
Speaker 3: my point is there are Polonte, especially, there's a rotation
24:40
Speaker 3: spot that is very wobbly right now. And Polonte starts
24:43
Speaker 3: against the Blue Jays tomorrow night, He's scheduled to very
24:47
Speaker 3: very wobbly. So to play the devil's advocate, how could
24:51
Speaker 3: they stay with him if nothing gets better? When they
24:54
Speaker 3: have a guy like McGreevy who's earned a lot of
24:56
Speaker 3: respect up here already, but keeping him down, Like, at
25:01
Speaker 3: what point do they reconsider that? Do you think this
25:04
Speaker 3: is a.
25:05
Speaker 2: It's a great question because this brings our theme of
25:07
Speaker 2: the year, runway verse results back into play. If you're
25:10
Speaker 2: playing for results right now on June eighth, which there's
25:13
Speaker 2: honestly not really that much of a reason to I
25:15
Speaker 2: think maybe you're having a different discussion. But this season,
25:18
Speaker 2: for as successful as the Cardinals have been in the
25:20
Speaker 2: win loss column, remains focused on Runway. So they're going
25:24
Speaker 2: to give onre Polante an extended look. They're same with
25:26
Speaker 2: Matthew Libert where we know this and that meant good
25:29
Speaker 2: or bad.
25:30
Speaker 1: He's staying in.
25:31
Speaker 2: The rotation because we need to figure out what he has. So, yes,
25:34
Speaker 2: the last month for Polante has not been great. It's
25:36
Speaker 2: been frustrating. He's frustrated about it. We saw the results
25:40
Speaker 2: in a it was Texas, right, all the day, all
25:43
Speaker 2: the time, one together. Okay, we saw the results in
25:45
Speaker 2: Texas and no, do you know he's not happy with that.
25:48
Speaker 2: But for the Cardinals, is it really fair for Polante's
25:51
Speaker 2: long term career and what they need from him long
25:54
Speaker 2: term to yank him after a month?
25:56
Speaker 1: Probably not. It's it's complicated because it's pitcher.
26:00
Speaker 2: You get one start every five six days, and very
26:04
Speaker 2: much the team result hinges on how a starting pitcher does.
26:06
Speaker 1: So I understand that.
26:08
Speaker 2: But in a season that was designated about runway and opportunity,
26:12
Speaker 2: they're going to continue giving Polante some until they have
26:15
Speaker 2: to make a choice between runway and results.
26:17
Speaker 1: Right now, they still don't have to.
26:19
Speaker 3: The one thing I would say is that you know,
26:22
Speaker 3: earlier in his career, you know, when he came up
26:24
Speaker 3: to the Cardinals. One of the reasons why they liked
26:26
Speaker 3: him in the bullpen a first because he was very
26:28
Speaker 3: good against left handed batters, but they also realized that
26:32
Speaker 3: he was ironically, because he's a righty pitcher, he was
26:35
Speaker 3: vulnerable to right handed batters. And for a time they
26:39
Speaker 3: kind of fixed that. In fact, was when he took over,
26:42
Speaker 3: when he got a rotation spot. From May twenty ninth
26:44
Speaker 3: to the end of the season last year, he did
26:47
Speaker 3: a nice job of neutralizing right handed batters. They did
26:50
Speaker 3: some damage, but it wasn't like it was a route.
26:52
Speaker 3: It wasn't like they were beating him up. So I'm
26:54
Speaker 3: not sure what's happened here. They're killing his four seam fastball.
26:57
Speaker 3: I did a lot of numbers on that. Just trust me,
27:00
Speaker 3: they're killing his four seam fastball. But this year, because
27:04
Speaker 3: I looked it up, Yeah, I can multitask, even doing
27:09
Speaker 3: live believe, even doing a live recording right handed batters.
27:12
Speaker 3: This year, hitting three hundred with a three sixty four
27:15
Speaker 3: on base percentage and a four ninety six slug eight
27:20
Speaker 3: sixty oh ps, six home runs, five doubles in a
27:23
Speaker 3: triple and he acts and he also walks. He doesn't
27:27
Speaker 3: get much swing missing strikeout against him because they're just
27:31
Speaker 3: crushing his four seam fastball. So my only thing is
27:34
Speaker 3: that he sort of went through this earlier. And I
27:37
Speaker 3: definitely get your point about the runway, and he had
27:40
Speaker 3: to show this year that he could do what he
27:43
Speaker 3: did last year because he was a very pleasant surprise
27:45
Speaker 3: last year. So I'm just wondering He's like, this is
27:48
Speaker 3: a this is a question for Dusty Blake. But I'll
27:51
Speaker 3: ask ally about a Tuesday when he's on KMOX, what
27:53
Speaker 3: is it noon on Tuesday? I'll ask him, you know,
27:56
Speaker 3: what is it about Palante where he that's where he's
28:01
Speaker 3: sort of back to where he began in a way
28:03
Speaker 3: where he's so vulnerable against right handed batters, because that's
28:05
Speaker 3: a big problem.
28:07
Speaker 2: I think it's a fair question and we'll see that.
28:08
Speaker 2: We'll see that with Polante. There's early yes tomorrow against
28:11
Speaker 2: the Blue Jays. Again they've had.
28:13
Speaker 1: They've been on a year lately, so it should be
28:16
Speaker 1: a good test for Polante. We'll see where he's going.
28:20
Speaker 2: I get why this is a question, and I don't
28:23
Speaker 2: disagree with the sentiments behind it, but also just knowing
28:26
Speaker 2: how the organization is thinking and knowing the overall point
28:29
Speaker 2: of this season was to figure out what you have
28:31
Speaker 2: long term if Libby was struggling like this after a month,
28:35
Speaker 2: would we be having the same conversation.
28:37
Speaker 1: Probably not.
28:38
Speaker 2: And I think while Polanate has had an extended role
28:39
Speaker 2: as a starter much longer than Libby, it's still the
28:42
Speaker 2: same sentiment.
28:43
Speaker 1: It's still we need to see what he is.
28:44
Speaker 2: We need to give them the opportunity to bounce back
28:46
Speaker 2: and figure things out at the major league level, because
28:48
Speaker 2: I too say similar with the Greevy, don't think Polante
28:51
Speaker 2: has anything left to prove in Triple A. I don't
28:54
Speaker 2: think we know who he is as a Triple A pitcher.
28:57
Speaker 2: We need to know who he is as a major
28:58
Speaker 2: league pitcher, and part of that is figuring out how
29:00
Speaker 2: to make those adjustments when things aren't going well, Very
29:03
Speaker 2: similar to offensive players.
29:04
Speaker 1: So that's where I think there are Burnie out. We'renna
29:07
Speaker 1: come back to you with one more segment.
29:08
Speaker 3: Good good discussion, good discussion.
29:10
Speaker 1: Yeah I like that one because I can see both
29:12
Speaker 1: sides of it. But we'll do one more. We'll get
29:13
Speaker 1: you ready for the Blue Jay Series. After a quick
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29:49
Speaker 2: You heard them, go get after it all right, Bernie.
29:51
Speaker 2: As we're heading to another week, we'll have three against
29:54
Speaker 2: the Blue Jays and then four in Milwaukee, my favorite
29:57
Speaker 2: road city.
29:58
Speaker 1: You can't wait for that? What are you looking at?
30:00
Speaker 2: What's what's as a player that you're monitoring Nolan Gorman?
30:05
Speaker 3: And again I say that without looking ahead to seeing
30:08
Speaker 3: who the Blue Jays are scheduled to start uh in
30:11
Speaker 3: the series. But Nolan Gorman has been doing really, really,
30:16
Speaker 3: really well. I mean, whether you want to talk about
30:19
Speaker 3: his last ten or eleven games, but his numbers are
30:21
Speaker 3: very good and he's had some big hits. How many
30:24
Speaker 3: times you and I have talked about this here on
30:27
Speaker 3: Cardinal Territory, He has made major, major improvement in his
30:31
Speaker 3: plate discipline. Strike out total down, chase rate way down,
30:35
Speaker 3: swinging mis rate way down. And he had to slow
30:38
Speaker 3: up his bat a little bit, not to be so
30:40
Speaker 3: jumpy and ferocious. He had just stay within himself to
30:43
Speaker 3: make that plate discipline work. So he wasn't really doing
30:47
Speaker 3: a lot of damage. But now he's starting to. He's
30:50
Speaker 3: starting to take what he learned with Brent Brown about
30:53
Speaker 3: plate discipline and the way he's got to approach his
30:55
Speaker 3: at bats. But now the bang is starting to come.
30:59
Speaker 3: Now the are starting to come, and I think especially
31:02
Speaker 3: with this offense at times sagging a little bit, they
31:05
Speaker 3: need they need, you know, an infusion or a transfusion,
31:08
Speaker 3: whatever the proper word is there. They need another guy.
31:12
Speaker 3: They just need another guy to start, you know, cranking
31:15
Speaker 3: some big hits and hitting for power. And Jordan Walker,
31:19
Speaker 3: you know, was he had found a lot. He had
31:22
Speaker 3: found a lot, and he was still striking out too much,
31:24
Speaker 3: but boy was he just blasting baseballs. So Gorman is
31:27
Speaker 3: starting to do that now. And that's a pretty scary
31:30
Speaker 3: thought for opponents if if these two guys get going
31:33
Speaker 3: at the same time. So Gorman's first up, while we
31:35
Speaker 3: wait for Walker to get back. And uh, this is
31:38
Speaker 3: a big week for the Cardinals. They all are because
31:40
Speaker 3: Toronto's a good club, Milwaukee has been on a roll,
31:44
Speaker 3: and they're getting pitching back so these and it's a
31:48
Speaker 3: four game series, which are always tough. So I'm really
31:51
Speaker 3: curious to see how this will play out this week
31:54
Speaker 3: because it's going to be an interesting week. If the
31:56
Speaker 3: Cardinals go three and four, No, I'm not going to
32:00
Speaker 3: be I won't be sitting here next week and saying, oh,
32:03
Speaker 3: well see they they can't sustain theirs And I'm not
32:07
Speaker 3: going to overreact to that. Well maybe if they go
32:09
Speaker 3: one and.
32:10
Speaker 1: Six and six we can never react.
32:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, deal, But it's like this is the Cardinals have
32:16
Speaker 3: so many checkpoints and this is another one. And it's
32:18
Speaker 3: not that I doubt that they're a good team, because
32:20
Speaker 3: we talked about that they are a good team and
32:22
Speaker 3: their record against other good teams shows that. But the
32:27
Speaker 3: Cardinals all season long, locally and nationally, people are going
32:31
Speaker 3: to be keeping an eye on. I'm still wondering if
32:34
Speaker 3: it's for real.
32:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's fair because of the hole that they
32:38
Speaker 2: put themselves in two seasons ago, because of their weird
32:40
Speaker 2: ass off season because of their transition plan. I'm not
32:44
Speaker 2: saying I get it, again, I do I get it.
32:46
Speaker 2: I would probably feel a little bit of the same
32:47
Speaker 2: way if I was a fan. But seeing this team
32:49
Speaker 2: every day, seeing the buy in, which I know is
32:51
Speaker 2: like kind of a tired cliche phase a phrase.
32:54
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't say it if I didn't see it.
32:56
Speaker 2: Seeing the work that Alling Marble is done, seeing the
32:57
Speaker 2: clubhouse get behind him, and seeing most importantly, these young
33:01
Speaker 2: players start to believe in themselves. I mean it's it
33:06
Speaker 2: gives me optimism that this summer might be a lot
33:08
Speaker 2: more fun than we envisioned.
33:10
Speaker 1: Also, is that a younger hat?
33:11
Speaker 3: It is? Yeah, you told me.
33:13
Speaker 1: I would have worn my younger shirt. We could have matched.
33:15
Speaker 3: Because I you know, I know some people say, what
33:17
Speaker 3: is a senior citizen man wearing a younger Yet well,
33:20
Speaker 3: first of all, I'm not young, but I am hungry
33:22
Speaker 3: because all I do is say I'm so hungry, and
33:25
Speaker 3: I'm literally physically hungry too. Spaghetti's waiting downstairs. But but no,
33:31
Speaker 3: But but also I got this like timing because Victor
33:34
Speaker 3: Scott's really struggling right now. I'm not turning on them, see,
33:39
Speaker 3: but I just don't believe.
33:40
Speaker 1: So that's my pick.
33:42
Speaker 2: That's actually who I'm picking to watch this next week
33:44
Speaker 2: because the ups and downs are going to come offensively,
33:48
Speaker 2: especially with Victor, who you know, never really profiled as
33:50
Speaker 2: an offense for a centerfielder. His glove is going to
33:52
Speaker 2: earn him plain time every single day. There is going
33:54
Speaker 2: to be no optioning Victor Scott to Memphis. As many
33:58
Speaker 2: of you have decided to DM me on Twitter if
34:00
Speaker 2: you're gonna if you plan on dming me that, do
34:01
Speaker 2: yourself a favor, don't. There was not gonna be a
34:04
Speaker 2: diminished playing time of Victor Scott as he struggles through this.
34:07
Speaker 1: This is part of the plan.
34:08
Speaker 2: This is part of the transition season, part of your
34:10
Speaker 2: favorite buzzwords of the year. He is supposed to struggle
34:13
Speaker 2: and figure it out. Same thing with Walker. It was
34:16
Speaker 2: a brutal three weeks and then he started figuring things out.
34:19
Speaker 2: You're starting to see the light hopefully with Nolan Gorman.
34:21
Speaker 2: So same things apply with Victor Scott. The second how
34:24
Speaker 2: is he going to adjust to players making adjustments to
34:26
Speaker 2: him and so on and so forth.
34:29
Speaker 1: It is that's.
34:30
Speaker 2: Baseball, you guys, and we're just gonna see it we're
34:32
Speaker 2: seeing it a lot because there are so many young
34:33
Speaker 2: players on this roster, but that's the whole point.
34:36
Speaker 3: The other thing is like, again, I agree, listen, it's
34:39
Speaker 3: it's a weird season because yeah, you know they're gonna
34:43
Speaker 3: they're gonna keep the runway in place, and they should.
34:45
Speaker 3: That was the whole main objective of the season. So
34:49
Speaker 3: the Cardinals better than a lot of people thought. So
34:52
Speaker 3: now there's we all have to fight these impulses to like, oh,
34:55
Speaker 3: you got to send this guy down, or you know,
34:57
Speaker 3: you gotta bench this guy if he's off to a
35:00
Speaker 3: as a bad couple of weeks. It's just not going
35:02
Speaker 3: to happen. And some people say, well they benched Gorman,
35:05
Speaker 3: they didn't Bence Gorman is more more more along the
35:08
Speaker 3: lines of Burlesson deserved more playing time than he did.
35:11
Speaker 3: And also just again, they see so much left handed
35:15
Speaker 3: pitching that works against Gorman's bid for playing time. But
35:19
Speaker 3: now some people would argue, and I think I would
35:21
Speaker 3: be one of them. But if you ever want him,
35:23
Speaker 3: if this this is major League Baseball knows you're top
35:26
Speaker 3: heavy with left handed hitters. You can't hide a guy
35:30
Speaker 3: that can be an impact hitter. He how is he
35:32
Speaker 3: ever Gorman, how is he ever going to get better
35:35
Speaker 3: against lefty pitchers unless he faces them? You know, that's
35:38
Speaker 3: a great right, you know. So the runway is going
35:42
Speaker 3: to be in place. And I would also I would
35:45
Speaker 3: also say this, and I know that we have all
35:49
Speaker 3: not me because I'm being sarcastic. Now we've all turned
35:52
Speaker 3: Thomas to Jayce into Rogers hornsby Okay, Like I'm surprised
35:56
Speaker 3: they don't have the hall of fame like the Bronze
35:58
Speaker 3: Bust outside the state him yet you know, just settle
36:03
Speaker 3: down on that. That's my thing because his time's coming.
36:06
Speaker 3: His time is coming. But it's really hard to sort
36:10
Speaker 3: of have it all, like, you know, you can't when's
36:13
Speaker 3: going to be the shortstop every day? Gorman will play
36:15
Speaker 3: third when Aronatto can't. Uh, Donovan is really good at
36:20
Speaker 3: second base, second here, So if j C was a
36:24
Speaker 3: corner outfielder or he could play center field, I would say, yeah,
36:27
Speaker 3: get him here. But he's not right. So, you know,
36:30
Speaker 3: the Cardinals are still the island of misfit toys when
36:34
Speaker 3: it comes to the roster. There's no question about it.
36:37
Speaker 3: You know, they's still there, and there's even going to
36:40
Speaker 3: be more of that coming. When you look at all
36:42
Speaker 3: the left handed hitters they have in the system making
36:44
Speaker 3: their way up here, come on Joshua Bias.
36:48
Speaker 1: Oh, he's going to tear it up.
36:49
Speaker 5: He's a right handed power bat and he's he is
36:53
Speaker 5: on all of a sudden, taken off right, and it's
36:56
Speaker 5: I looked because I want to say, oh, but don't
36:58
Speaker 5: tell me he's another left handed hitter outfielder, because I
37:00
Speaker 5: couldn't remember.
37:03
Speaker 3: This is like two am. This is my life. So
37:05
Speaker 3: I'm looking at him up last night at two am,
37:07
Speaker 3: laying in bed, I'm like, oh, my gosh, is he
37:09
Speaker 3: another left hand edding outfielder. Not that he's going to
37:12
Speaker 3: be up here, like in an imminent basis, but he's
37:15
Speaker 3: you know, he now has put himself on a much
37:17
Speaker 3: faster track. And they got JJ weatherhold coming up, you know,
37:20
Speaker 3: Chase Davis in the mix somewhere. It's all lefty, lefty, lefty, lefty, lefty.
37:24
Speaker 3: So the argument for j C is, you know, you
37:29
Speaker 3: need a better right handed bat than Barrero coming off
37:32
Speaker 3: the bench. But I just don't see where j C
37:35
Speaker 3: would get that much playing time. I just don't.
37:38
Speaker 1: So what's the point.
37:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what's the point, what's Yeah, what's the point
37:41
Speaker 3: of keeping him in there, keeping him up here to
37:43
Speaker 3: sit on the bench. And so I'm just sort of
37:46
Speaker 3: doing a little preemptive strike on the rogers hornsby talk.
37:50
Speaker 3: You know, we got oh, you got to get you
37:51
Speaker 3: got to get the next Rogers hornsby up here. You know, No,
37:55
Speaker 3: actually you don't, you know, because okay, it's okay.
37:59
Speaker 2: Right now, should be time for Gorman and I hope
38:01
Speaker 2: we see that, you know you were I mean, do.
38:04
Speaker 3: People really want to pull the plug on Victor Scott?
38:06
Speaker 3: Do they really want to pull the plug? How many
38:07
Speaker 3: people pull the plug on Walker and Gorman? I mean,
38:11
Speaker 3: we talked, everybody talked about this for months in the offseason,
38:15
Speaker 3: what this was going to be all about. And just
38:18
Speaker 3: because they're better and expected, it doesn't mean you just
38:20
Speaker 3: bury these guys now.
38:21
Speaker 1: That would be the worst thing. That'd be the worst
38:23
Speaker 1: thing they could do.
38:24
Speaker 3: And it's not like they have great options in the
38:26
Speaker 3: minor leagues either.
38:28
Speaker 1: They're they're not They're not.
38:29
Speaker 3: Like, like, look at who they brought up right, No
38:32
Speaker 3: disrespect to him. I mean, I know he's trying the loatti,
38:35
Speaker 3: but you know they're starting him every day like me
38:38
Speaker 3: and Kevin Wheeler of the you know cam Wix. We
38:41
Speaker 3: were texting each other like, my gosh, he started how
38:46
Speaker 3: many games in a row now? And Gorman's on the bench,
38:48
Speaker 3: you know.
38:49
Speaker 1: So that's that's what I have a little bit of
38:51
Speaker 1: an issue with.
38:52
Speaker 2: I would like to see more Gorman and nothing against
38:54
Speaker 2: Brian whose I just thought he'd be up here as
38:57
Speaker 2: a twenty six man, right, but you know, he had
39:01
Speaker 2: a really good at baut today and he did it
39:02
Speaker 2: was wonderful. That was a very good at bat. So
39:04
Speaker 2: maybe they'll turn things around. But I would like to
39:06
Speaker 2: see more of Nolan Gorman this week. So Ollie Marvel,
39:09
Speaker 2: if you're watching, you're not just no, just not that
39:11
Speaker 2: someting to ask you about tomorrow for pregame. Uh, speaking
39:14
Speaker 2: out of the future, we have a lot of fun
39:16
Speaker 2: things coming up on Cardinal Territory. Both Andre Polante and
39:19
Speaker 2: Matthew Libertoo are going to join the show early next week,
39:21
Speaker 2: and Dusty Blake will be our second guest, that's right,
39:23
Speaker 2: two guest episode week, yes, and then Berniane, I'll be
39:27
Speaker 2: back with.
39:28
Speaker 1: You, hopefully after the Brewer series. So let's look forward
39:30
Speaker 1: to here on the show.
39:31
Speaker 2: Lots of lots of lots of look forward to in
39:34
Speaker 2: Cardinal Land as well.
39:37
Speaker 1: I know, Bernie, and I certainly appreciate your support.
39:38
Speaker 2: Bernie, got anything any fun projects up on STL Sports Central?
39:44
Speaker 3: Long story, long long story, short stop. STL dot com
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39:52
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40:03
Speaker 2: I don't know, Bernie. I think I know of a
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Speaker 2: certain other hub that's much more popular.
40:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying, right, So yeah, So
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40:15
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40:22
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40:26
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40:29
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40:34
Speaker 3: So yeah, thank you thanks for letting me plug that
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40:40
Speaker 1: Change, same same site, different name, but here are Cardinal Territory.
40:45
Speaker 1: We're gonna stick with you.
40:46
Speaker 2: And you can read all about Michael McGreevey what's next
40:49
Speaker 2: for him on the Athletic that will be out tomorrow morning,
40:51
Speaker 2: Monday morning, and hopefully lots of fun stuff ahead for
40:55
Speaker 2: the Cardinals. So Bernie, thanks as always for doing this.
40:58
Speaker 2: I'm going to get out of Bush Stadium. I've been
41:00
Speaker 2: here for entirely, way too long this week, and I'm
41:04
Speaker 2: going to go enjoy.
41:06
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even know what's on my agenda.
41:07
Speaker 1: I'm just so excited to go home. You know.
41:09
Speaker 3: They turned the light out on you.
41:10
Speaker 2: I know. I'm actually I don't I don't even think
41:12
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be here. I don't Cardinal pr If
41:14
Speaker 2: you're watching this, sorry, I don't know.
41:15
Speaker 1: I don't know.
41:16
Speaker 2: I just need a quiet place. Yeah, Bernie, Thanks is always.
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Speaker 2: Courting Territory subscribers.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. We'll be back with you with Tuesday.
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Speaker 2: Andre Polante Matthew Libertore two guests of Specials.
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Speaker 1: Should be a lot of fun. Thanks for watching