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Emmys Extravaganza: Inside 2024's Emmy-Nominated Costumes · The Art of Costume Podcast

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Oh, I got you to start watching baby reindeer.
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Yeah, I watched most of baby reindeer.
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I had to take a little breaky break because I was scarred.
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That's an intense show. And I also am happy to say that
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next week we're going to be having a bonus episode with
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Mikhail Bailey. So I think maybe we should give
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a little sneak peek. Hello and welcome to the Art of
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Casting podcast. I'm Elizabeth Joy Glass.
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And I'm Elizabeth the Very Tan Co host Spencer Williams.
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Hello Spencer. I like that San Diego glow.
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We were talking behind the scenes.
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I was like, wait a minute, did I tan a little bit?
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You did. I just got back from San Diego.
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Why not, Jess? It's been like a week and a half
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now. Gosh it.
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Feels like Jess. Yeah, it feels just like the
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other day, but also the past 2-3 weeks just being alive has just
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felt like too much, too much. Comic Con was so much fun,
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Elizabeth. I wish you could have been
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there. We had a great time.
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Oh. Same.
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I yeah, I wish I could have been there too.
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I need to get out there one day for it.
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Yeah, it totally was a lot of fun and thank you to everyone
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who came out to the panel 2 panels.
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I had moderated 2 panels and a few of our podcast listeners
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showed up to The Hunger Games panel we did, came up South
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High, took a few pictures and it was very, very sweet and it was
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good to see all of you and I appreciate it.
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I almost felt like I had to walk away to the bathroom for a
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minute and have like a quick like cry in the stall bag.
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Oh my God, this is crazy. And you know, get back to what I
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was doing. So it was, it was a really great
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time. So I really appreciate it and
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can't wait for next year. Oh, I I can't wait.
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I is so excited for you. Yeah, it's been a whirlwind for
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me the last couple couple weeks. I finished Margaritaville.
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Last week. So.
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Oh my gosh, it. Was it was the first time I
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didn't get to watch the full dress rehearsal 'cause last
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night was the first. It was the first time they had
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all the costumes. But I also had to like go over
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to the theater is on a college campus that they they use the
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spaces they have their theater and then they use some of the
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other spaces. So I had to go over and take
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measurements for the cast of Ride the Cyclone, which is
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their, the show they're doing next month.
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But I got to see two two of the numbers that have the zombies in
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them. OK.
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And it was the first time I had seen my work, like my complete
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work. Wow.
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And I was just it. Like it made my heart so happy.
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My gosh, Elizabeth, that's so cool.
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I'm so happy for you. I wish I was there.
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I was like, yes, okay, I did a good job, all right.
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So tell me, since, you know, I'm an interviewer now and you're
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the costume designer, how did you like, dive into the Parrot
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Head couture of Margaritaville? I would love to know like what
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your research process was like. Honestly it was literally
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Googling resort wear, seeing like what people are doing for
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resort wear and then like finding some of the cheapest
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sets that I could. My the most fun I had was doing
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the zombie jackets I. Know there's zombies in
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Margarita? Yeah, they're, they're
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somebody's hallucination, Yeah. Obviously.
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Obviously. But yeah, there is these zombies
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and they're only like, it's the, it's the ensemble in their
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beachwear with these jackets over them.
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And it's like they're like shredded and burned and like, I
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got to use like a blowtorch. And my dad was very nice.
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He like, helped me a little bit. We did some spray paint, some
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other like dirtiness on them. They look so.
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Good. This is amazing.
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Can you You have to send us pictures so we could share it
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with Oliver? I absolutely will.
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I need to. Last night was the first time
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they was the first time they took pictures and probably the
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only time they'll take pictures. It'll probably be a minute
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before I can get those. But yeah.
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If you're in the Maryland Cecil County area, go to Milburn Storm
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Theater. There you go.
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See Escape to Margaritaville. I, I am so jealous.
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I hope everyone goes, I don't even know what place you just
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said just now, but I hope if that meant something to you, you
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be there or be square. Because this is a once in a
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lifetime opportunity to see some of the beginnings of Elizabeth
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Glass's career as a costume designer in a theatre realm and
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her zombie costumes. My zombie costumes.
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I didn't know that you're doing Margaritaville zombies.
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That's like, totally my two favorite worlds.
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It was so much fun. And then for the I read the
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script for Ride the Cyclone Tuesday night for the first
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time. And then I talked to the
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director a little bit when I was taking measurements and I
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discovered that the bassist for the production, I'm going to get
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to dress up in a rat costume. Nice SO.
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I'm like, I'm here for it. Let's do it.
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Heck yeah. I'm so excited.
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Well, Elizabeth, well, we have a fun episode today.
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But. Before we even get to the fun
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stuff we have ahead and the reviews I'm about to read you,
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we have another something special we have to do.
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Oh. Yes.
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Your birthday's this weekend. Oh my God.
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Elizabeth, happy birthday. Thank you.
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Thank you. Comes out.
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You would have just had your birthday, what, two days before?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And you've crossed over, my friend.
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I'm entering into my 30 flirty and thriving era.
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I'm so excited. So what are you doing?
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I I'm taking a trip to New Orleans, OK, Meeting my sister
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and a friend there. We're gonna take a horse and
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carriage tour and a jealous a booze and booze tour.
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Oh, fun. I'm so excited.
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The happy hour one sold out before I could get tickets, so I
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was a little bit annoyed about that.
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But you. Know they had as his life.
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As his life. But yeah, I'm really excited.
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That's awesome. Happy birthday, I actually have
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a gift for you. Oh.
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Yeah, and I was, I was gonna mail it to you, but I was like,
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oh, she's not gonna get it before she goes on her trip.
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I mean, I will mail it to you, but I, you know, by the time you
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get it, it would be like a week or two after your birthday.
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So I got this for you at San Diego Comic Con.
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Oh. It is a autographed picture of
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Edward and Bella from Wendy. Chuck to you.
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Oh my gosh, that's amazing. So happy birthday, Sir.
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Thank you. Yeah, of course I I'll have to
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mail it to you as soon as I can, but Yep, I'm.
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Going to have to make space for that on my wall of.
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Course, she, she was so nice and was so willing to just talk
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about Twilight with me. And I was just telling her about
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how you and I were just such big fans of her work.
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And yeah, she's blown away by that.
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And she even said that she'd be willing to come on to the
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podcast and talk to us about Twilight.
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So I don't know it's it's your birthday, but I also feels like
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it's all of our birthdays. Yeah, yeah.
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Oh my gosh. Thank you so much.
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I I'm like looking at my mom and I'm like, where can I put that?
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Yeah. It'll it'll be when I get it,
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it'll be in frame. I'll I'll actually start like
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showing my background calling these zooms.
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I am keeping it safe but is coming to you very soon.
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I'm. Excited.
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Yeah, well, enough being happy. No, just kidding.
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Let's let's move on to the next part.
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We have some reviews we would like to read as we're making a
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habit of reading some of our reviews that we're finding on
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Apple podcast. So if we have two today, the
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first one is from Dimes and Nickels titled A Podcast for
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Detail Nerds. And the five Star Review says,
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not a costume person, but as a writer, I love the research and
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attention to detail that Spencer and Elizabeth put into each
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episode. I always learn something new
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while listening. Thank you, that's so nice.
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I mean, that's what we try to do, give you something to learn
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while also listen to us making fools of ourselves.
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We'll talk about costumes. Thank you Dimes and nickels, we
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appreciate it. Yeah, the next one is from C
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Fonzler. The title is Love it and never
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thought much about costume design until I found this
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podcast, now I'm hooked. If you like film and learning
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about the behind the scenes, this is definitely the podcast
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for you. Spencer, Elizabeth and Daniel
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always have awesome guests talking about movies fresh in
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the theatre as they release and throwbacks to all the
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favourites. This podcast adds a great layer
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of knowledge to any film buff. Love it.
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Thank you and thank you to all the people who weren't really
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costume nerds listening to this and loving it as much as we do.
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That's that makes me feel like out we're reaching more people
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than we thought we would. Yeah, yeah.
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I mean, we are casting a big net here.
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If you even like Time Out Film or TVI just feel like there's a
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spot in this costume nerd community for everybody, because
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Elizabeth and I are not. What's the word disciplined
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enough to just talk only about costumes?
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We without a doubt, to Daniel's detriment, we can always go off
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top. We definitely wander.
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Yeah, that's fine. I guess people love us for that.
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So you know, if we're making someone happy, Well, thank you
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all for those reviews. As we mentioned every episode,
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please leave us a 5 star text review on Apple Podcast and
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we'll be happy to read those reviews on the episode.
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And also you could rate US on Spotify, which also really helps
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as well. Elizabeth, because you are
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travelling for your birthday, we had to kind of switch up today's
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episode a little bit. We we were going to talk about
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funny face, but with me being in San Diego and you now leaving to
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New Orleans and it's just been. Things been crazy.
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The lights are on, but no one's home at the heart of Costume
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Studio except Daniel. So we decided instead of waiting
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a month or so to do this, we were going to talk about the
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Emmys and all of our Emmy nominees.
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Yes, I'm so excited this year. I'm just like blown away by how
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good the nominees are, how many there are.
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Like I, I don't know how I always forget.
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There are so many like categories.
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And then I'm like, oh, of course there are.
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There are so many talented people creating so many amazing
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shows and limited series and movies.
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It's so exciting. It's like it's such an exciting
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time of year. It's like the best and worst
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part of the Emmys, you know, It's like, I love the Emmys are
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kind of because like so many of our friends get nominated, you
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know, 25, sometimes 30. I go like, that's so exciting.
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You get to see so many different aspects of costume design get
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recognized. But then also at the same time
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you're like, Oh my gosh, there's so many people.
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How are you able to like? Watch all.
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This, yeah. And watch, although I'm still
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you and I are both still working through all these shows and we
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watch these shows for a living. Oh yeah, and I feel like this is
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like one of the years where I've seen the the least amount of
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shows nominated just because I've been busy working so much.
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I haven't had time because a lot of these shows I like to sit
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down and pay attention. It can't just be a background
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show while I'm doing other work. So I like, I was like so
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overwhelmed this year. I get that, which is why I
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always, I'm like, I look forward to the Oscars usually too,
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because I'm like, oh, that's just five movies, you know, like
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we could watch. Those five movies out.
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But then at the same time, we're like, so many people deserve
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that nomination. So it's catched way too.
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But yeah. So today, Elizabeth and I are
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going to walk through each of the five categories and talk
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through, you know, a lot of these shows, all these
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designers, a lot of them have been on the podcast already and
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talk about maybe some of our favorite facts and who we think
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maybe might win, who we would like to see when, I don't know.
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Well, we're going to get a little crazy here.
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We'll see what happens, but we're going to take a little
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break first, though, right Elizabeth?
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Yes, we had a little break and we'll be right back.
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Spencer We are starting out with personally one of my favorite
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categories, one of the categories where I'm so excited
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for all these shows, but unfortunately a category where
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I've only been able to watch one of the shows.
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We are starting with outstanding period costumes for a series.
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Yeah. I mean, period is the one I feel
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like we as costumers always look forward to because that's the
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one where you're like, it's usually a lot of like technical
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talent and period, you know, it's a lot of research, a lot of
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understanding of the history and the colors and the silhouettes.
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I'm always excited for this category.
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Same, I I love seeing how people interpret the time period
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they're working in. I also think it's very funny to
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see the discourse online about what people did and didn't get
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wrong. I'm always just like, let it go.
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I know that's you, and I hear about that way too.
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Much way too. Much so.
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Let's let me walk you through the nominees here.
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So we have Palm Royale by Alex Friedberg and Lee Bell, Shogun
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by Carlos Rosario, The Gilded Age by Kasha Waliska Mamona and
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Patrick Wiley, The New Look by Karen Mueller, Sorrow and
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Winning Time, The Rise of the Lakers Dynasty by Emma Potter.
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Those are our five nominees. Congratulations to everybody
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'cause even what I didn't see like the full series of I saw so
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many clips and videos of these things.
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Everything is gorgeous in the category.
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This is a strong category. I do find it difficult to have
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the rise of the Lakers dynasty show in the same category as,
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like, Palm Royale and like, it's just the Gilded Age and the
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Gilded Age, just such, like, two different kinds of period, you
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know? Yeah, the Lakers show looks
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fantastic. And I'm really me, like, in my
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basketball era, I'm just, like, dying to get into the show.
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But it is like, I just love how these categories are put
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together because sometimes you're just like, come on, like,
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how is this? You know, yeah, seeing the
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Shogun picture and the the winning time picture, like kind
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of next to each other is a little bit I'm like, whoa, like
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these don't feel, don't feel like they should be in the same
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category, but I understand why they are.
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There should be like a very old period category and then like a
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period category from like the 80s and 90s.
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Yeah. There's two different types of
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periods. Absolutely, yeah.
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So, but yeah, well, it is no secret that I am a big fan of
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Shogun. We had Carlos Rosario on a
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podcast. I think he's just incredible.
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Alien Romulus is about to come out in a few weeks, which is
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another film that he did that's going out right now.
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But Shogun is just such a beautiful show and I believe
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it's the most nominated show this year.
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It's racked up. Sounds right.
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Yeah, I believe through all the categories, so Shogun really is
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the one to beat. I've gotten to see a little bit
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of Shogun and it's just top to bottom, technically beautiful,
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visually stunning. Like, Oh my gosh, like I feel
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like it's going to run away with everything.
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Yeah, I really do think I think Shogun is the one to beat in
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like every category and not just costume, but the attention to
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detail in this show. And, you know, working with
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these consultants on, like fabrics and the way that, you
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know, these kimonos are folded and this direction are worn in
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this way or the meanings. It's just the amount of detail
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actually to me just feels kind of impossible really for this
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type of show. And they achieved it.
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So I think Shogun is such a strong nominee.
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I feel like Gilded Age is right behind it.
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Yeah, I mean, you know how we feel about the Gilded Age.
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I am so glad the Gilded Age was nominated.
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Yes, I me too. I was like, if it didn't, that
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would have like been absolutely shocking.
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Although I like I will say in this category, would not be
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surprised to see the new look when just cuz like I feel like
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whether it's the Emmys or the Oscars, I really think people
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like movies and TV shows about fashion designers.
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Yeah, I'm, I'm with you 100%. I think just because it's kind
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of like the evolution of like our own work and something that
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like inspires so many costume designers and just, and people
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across like the so many creative arts, I feel like those always
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have a really good chance of winning.
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Yeah, I do too. I I always, you know, feel like
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there's like, this built in bias toward a fashion show or film in
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the costume category because it's like, oh, like that's kind
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of like the obvious pick. I mean, this new look show looks
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incredible. I've seen lots of pictures, and
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it is truly stunning. Deserves to be a nominee.
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But yeah, I would I definitely wouldn't be shocked if the new
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look took it because people love of story about fashion too.
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We've seen that before in the Oscars a lot with I felt like
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Cruella was a strong fashion movie.
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Phantom Thread. I, you know, I was pretty
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outspoken about how I thought Barbie was going to win because
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it was like the fashion movie in my eyes.
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So, you know, it happens, but some, I don't know, we don't
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know for sure. The new look looks beautiful and
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Karen Mueller's Sorrell's team should be super proud of what
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they did, especially doing something based on Dior.
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I mean, talk about the pressure. Yeah, It's like you're having to
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emulate a fashion icon while also putting your own spin on it
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and making it make sense to the eye of a modern viewer because,
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like, not everybody is going to understand.
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I mean, not, I haven't seen the show.
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Maybe they explain it, but just like how historical events
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impacted the new look so much. And you know what Dior was
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trying to do with that? Like it's there's so much to
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consider when it comes to the costumes for that, it's crazy.
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Yeah, I think that has to be my next show.
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I'm going to get into it. Same same.
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But we don't really get to talk about the Gilded Age too much.
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I mean, I just feel like this season of the Gilded Age is
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outstanding. We have.
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Outstanding. The two episodes, I believe the
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one that Kasha submitted for her nomination was the Easter
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episode. Yeah, which I mean, come on,
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that Easter scene is crazy. It's so crazy.
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I also what I think I love so much about Gilded Age is it
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shows how much creativity people had in the past and how like I
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feel like we simplify like what people wore, how creative they
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were and like a lot of times. And I feel like she really shows
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like what people were doing and how creative and like willing to
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create their clothes to be art. Yeah, it's it's it's it's
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stunning. And I mean, even if she didn't
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submit this episode, I also would have considered the opera
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episode to be a good one to submit.
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Also seeing all the opera costumes and Oh my gosh Bertha
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Russell walking down the stairs like that moment will always get
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me. Yes, Oh my gosh, I just thinking
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about that, the Easter episode, I can't, I can't stop thinking
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about what she said about like they couldn't even make the hats
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big enough. That keeps like popping into my
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head. Yeah, that's a good clip,
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Daniel. Maybe you could play a little
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bit of that for us. The first thing that I realized
23:07
from the research was the size of the hats, you know, and that
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that that idea of those hats, it still continues.
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I mean, we still see elements of those hats in pockets of the
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society in the stage. And I think there was this
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amazing discovery. I also realized that in the in
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the first season, we had to train our eyes and, and almost
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like prepare ourselves for what was coming in the second season.
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In reality, those hats were that big.
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And I think it just took so much courage to go for it.
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And I went even bigger in the in the test trials, like we made a
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hat for one of the characters that was taken from the
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research, the size of it and it did not fit in the frame of the
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doorway. So we had to chop it up.
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We all. Put in charge.
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Like, Oh my God. This one too far.
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We need to scale back a little bit.
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Another show that I it's lots of people are talking about in this
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nomination, Palm Royale by Alex Friedberg and Lee Bell.
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It is a very colorful, fun show that I'm just dying to get into.
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I yeah, I really want to see that.
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I saw the previews for it forever ago and I was like, oh,
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I should watch that. And then it kind of just like
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slipped my mind. And then when the nomination
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came back came out, I was like, Oh my gosh, absolutely.
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And then I I was seeing images from it and I'm like this looks
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like so much fun. Yeah, it, it really looks so
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much fun. It's starring Kristen Wiig and,
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of course, none other than Carol Burnett.
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So wait. What?
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You didn't know Carol Burnett's in this?
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Carol Burnett is in that show. Carol Burnett is in this and in
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full costume looking fabulous so.
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You go, girl. I know I, I can't believe I
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haven't seen a show. It's a, it's a Apple show I
25:04
believe, though. So I'm just like really bad with
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Apple shows. Oh, Carol Burnett's in it.
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It's very colorful. I believe it's set in either
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Florida or Palm Springs. I want to say Florida Palm Palm
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Real is set in Palm Beach, FL so I just feel like maybe you might
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have got your Margaritaville inspiration from Palm Royale
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also. So, you know, maybe, maybe
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something go back to watch too, Yeah.
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Yeah, no, that'd probably be fun to watch.
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And finally we have to talk about winning time to rise of
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the Lakers dynasty. It looks like such a fun show.
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Like I said, I am like really in my basketball era.
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I've been watching Olympics basketball.
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I'm just really excited to get into the show.
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I have to admit I haven't seen it, but I've been wanting to.
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And the costumes are like fantastic.
25:56
And it just like feels very nostalgic and also is about a
25:59
time in Lakers history that is very important to the team that
26:04
is around today. So I'm excited to get into it.
26:07
Yeah, I I'm not a sports person generally, nor am I inclined to
26:17
watch sports TV shows. However, I did watch a wrestling
26:22
show not that long ago and I enjoyed it, so I think I might
26:27
give this a chance. It looks it looks fun, so I feel
26:32
like I should I should give it a chance.
26:35
I feel like I've been all about sports shows lately.
26:38
I just watched like the Michael Jordan 1.
26:40
There's one about like the Olympics team, the new American
26:45
crime stories coming out soon about Aaron Hernandez.
26:49
Oh yeah. There's, you know, maybe he's
26:53
maybe he's sports genre is like something I'm getting into.
26:56
So I'm, I'm excited for this one.
26:59
Moving on to our next category, Elizabeth, we have outstanding
27:03
period costumes for a limited or anthology series or movie.
27:07
And this is the category that we were kind of afraid to talk
27:11
about because neither I nor Elizabeth have seen any of the
27:14
five shows. But I am quite familiar with
27:18
them having spent a lot of time with these designers.
27:21
At this point we have Feud Capote versus the Swans by Lou
27:26
Eirich and Lee Katz Nelson. We have Chris Elda by Safa
27:31
Bright Bisselberger Lessons in Chemistry by Mirren Gordon
27:35
Crozier, Mary and George by Annie Simons, and Ripley by
27:40
Maurizio Molinotti and Gianni Casanovo.
27:44
This is one of those categories where I've wanted, except for
27:49
Ripley, which I didn't even know existed till my father was
27:53
watching it. I've like intended to watch all
27:57
of these shows, as is Lessons in Chemistry.
28:01
Like. I cannot wait to watch that
28:05
show. Yeah, those are very Elizabeth
28:07
coded shows. I'm actually been wanting to see
28:10
Ripley very badly. I, you know, I got to work with
28:14
Netflix quite a bit earlier this year and Ripley was one of the
28:19
shows that was showcased a lot at these Netflix events.
28:22
And I am a sucker for anything black and white.
28:25
I just think filming in black and white is so cool to me.
28:29
I love watching a translation of color and Ripley seems to have
28:32
really got it down to a exact science.
28:35
So I've, I'm still very interested to see this show.
28:40
I also am pretty familiar with Griselda.
28:42
I haven't actually, you know, I actually haven't seen an episode
28:45
or two of Griselda and it's such a interesting show.
28:49
I love a good true crime type series.
28:53
That's, you know, oh, it's. True crime.
28:55
It's loosely based on a real person.
28:58
OK, OK. Yeah.
29:01
So you might get into it. Yeah, no, that's one I've seen
29:05
was like, oh, I should watch that.
29:09
The transformation of Sofia Vergara is like shocking.
29:13
I, I love Sofia Vergara, so I was like, I got to watch this
29:19
because it's, it's such a different role for her.
29:22
I'm like, I'm like, oh, excited for her to get into her like
29:26
gritty drama era. Yeah, it looks fun.
29:28
I mean, there's lots of like sequins because it's also, I
29:31
believe set in Miami. In like the 80s, right?
29:35
Yeah. So it has like a very like kind
29:37
of like 80s Miami vibe, which I'm all about.
29:41
I'm still trying to figure out a way to convince Elizabeth to do
29:44
Scarface on the podcast, but that's neither here nor there.
29:49
I think Elizabeth that the one to watch out for is Feud Capote
29:55
versus the Swans. I think you're probably right.
30:00
I mean, Lou, I, Rick is just someone that I've looked up to
30:03
the majority of my career while being an adult.
30:08
I I agree. I absolutely agree.
30:11
If like if I had to like blindly choose like the top two
30:16
contenders for this, it would be Mary and George and feud.
30:22
I wasn't really interested in seeing this.
30:26
And then I saw it like kind of like extended preview at some
30:30
point, I don't remember where or not, I saw the costumes and I
30:33
was like, Oh my gosh, yeah, this is gorgeous.
30:37
This. Incredible.
30:39
Like I wasn't interested in whatever the story is because I
30:42
have no idea what. Oh, it's a very fascinating
30:46
story that I've I've been dying in this show.
30:49
It's right up my alley, actually.
30:51
Oh yeah, I am surprised you didn't see it.
30:54
I thought we would come like, to this category and you'd be like,
30:57
Oh yeah, that's the one I saw. I know I meant to see it, but I
31:01
don't know why. I just totally, I always talk, I
31:05
talk a big game about how I want these shows to come out with an
31:07
episode every week, you know, and not all at once.
31:11
And then which is great, that's what I want.
31:13
But then sometimes, like, you know.
31:15
You lose track. I bit off more than I could
31:18
chew. It just came out and I miss the
31:20
first episode and now I miss the second episode.
31:22
And then I just feel overwhelmed.
31:24
Yeah. But I guess it's the same thing
31:26
as binging a whole series. But Lou Eirich, she is
31:30
incredible. She is like also like doing like
31:34
3 Ryan Murphy shows at a time sometimes.
31:37
She's a producer. She she'll be like
31:40
simultaneously doing like American Horror Story.
31:43
She'll be doing Feud, she'll be doing like a, you know, another
31:46
show. Ryan Murphy has like 3-4 shows
31:48
going, like all at once, all the time.
31:50
I. Don't know how that man does.
31:53
He's a machine. Everything.
31:54
And Lou, Eric is right there next to him.
31:56
And it was also really cool to see Leah Katz Nelson on the
32:00
nomination as well. So yeah, I'm I, I know I'm going
32:05
to love the show when I finally get into it, which will probably
32:07
be very soon. Spencer, I don't know about you.
32:13
I know I said I always look forward to period drama, but I
32:16
kind of think this next category was my favorite this year.
32:20
Yep. Our next category is Outstanding
32:24
Fantasy Sci-fi Costumes. Yeah, This is, I mean, I think
32:29
this one's my favorite. It kind of always is.
32:31
It's always the one where I've like seen the most too.
32:33
So it must be. Yeah, this and period are kind
32:37
of like equal for me. But like this year, I've I've
32:40
seen three of the five nominees like.
32:43
Nice. Well, let's get into it.
32:47
So this year's nominees for outstanding fantasy sci-fi
32:50
costumes. We have Ahsoka, designed by our
32:54
dear friend Shawna Terpsik. We have Echo designed by Amber
32:59
Riley and Stacy Cavallaro. Fallout designed by Amy
33:03
Westcott. Loki designed by our friend
33:06
Christine WADA. Yeah.
33:08
And last but definitely not least, what we do in the shadows
33:11
by the one, the only, the Mistress of Darkness, vampire
33:16
costume designer Laura Montgomery.
33:18
Yeah, yeah. This is a powerhouse of a of a
33:23
line up here. Oh yeah, like, I'll be honest, I
33:26
really like any of these. Could win and I would not be
33:30
surprised. Yeah, I, it's almost like I
33:33
can't even comment on it. It's just such a, such a strong
33:36
category. Let's go through them.
33:38
I mean, what We Do in the shadows, Have you seen the pride
33:40
episode of What We Do in the Shadows as features?
33:43
Of course I have. It's so good.
33:45
It's so stupid. And so good.
33:47
It's so like and just what she comes up with, I feel like
33:53
continually redefines these characters while still having
33:58
just like just the most perfect through line like for each of
34:05
them, like they always come back to is.
34:09
It's fascinating. It is so funny.
34:12
I think Nandor is just hilarious through the episode.
34:15
I just love how the clothes fit, which is like it's it's kind of
34:19
crazy on the vampire. Seen them in like something
34:22
that's not like they're regular vampiric robes.
34:25
It's yeah, this perfect episode. And I know Laura personally was
34:28
very excited about this episode too because I mean, it's I
34:32
fully. So it's a pride festival that
34:34
takes place at night with vampires because they're
34:37
vampires and they can't do a daytime.
34:39
No, it's just, it's so stupid and I love it.
34:43
Oh, man. But then we have Loki designed
34:46
by Christine WADA, which we just had Christine WADA on a podcast.
34:50
So you all know how we feel about this one already.
34:52
Yeah, I yeah, I love it. I love just like her perfect
34:58
redesign of Loki for that final scene.
35:01
Oh yeah, And just her talking about the the big suit they made
35:08
to like go into the time stream. So they don't get spaghettified.
35:13
So they don't get spaghettified. It's so brilliant.
35:17
Daniel, why don't you play that clip?
35:22
And there are these consensual rings inside of the legs and the
35:27
sleeves to keep everything expanded and cylindrical in it.
35:31
Because really, when you move an armor or leg, things want to
35:34
collapse in when they're that size.
35:37
It seems like an impossible challenge, but you won't pull.
35:40
It off it's a really it's, it's so funny because so many people
35:44
have asked me if it was CG, all CGI in the show.
35:48
And it was actually almost all practical.
35:51
And that was the aim of the show. 1st and 2nd season is try
35:54
is to try to, as we said, analog to try to do as much in camera
35:59
as possible. So there's actually the aged
36:01
suit. We did a aged one.
36:03
That's a real eight. That's real aging in the show
36:07
and and it's predominantly the the suit itself and the the
36:14
fabric, the reason it has kind of that density to it.
36:19
I found these great 1950s scuba suits where they do this
36:26
quilting, they did this quilting of foam and that quilting of
36:31
foam expands when you put yourself in it.
36:35
And so that's these are all on little 8 by 12 looms.
36:40
It's quilted in this channel quilting, but it gives it that
36:43
nice texture and weight underneath the latex canvas
36:48
that's. So much.
36:51
I I can't believe it came together.
36:54
Yeah, either. And yeah, we, yeah, we didn't
36:56
have a ton of time. So we're really like, Oh my God,
37:00
yeah. How many do you think there
37:02
were? We made we only could make 4
37:06
full 50 OK, yeah all. Right, because I kept turning
37:09
into spaghetti. I'm guessing so.
37:12
Yep. So there was a hero, one that
37:14
was not spaghettified, and then there was a spaghetti semi on
37:20
its way to being spaghetti suit. It's such a fun show and I just
37:25
think Christine Watt is the coolest too.
37:27
Like this is such a cool category full of cool, talented
37:30
people. And then Fallout.
37:33
I mean, you know, I could go on and on about Fallout.
37:37
The the power armor is just insane to me.
37:41
The fact that's even real still doesn't.
37:44
My brain cells can't really comprehend the power armor's not
37:48
like CGI or whatever and that they actually walk around with
37:51
those. Those are insane.
37:52
And just I'm a big fan of the vault tech suits because in the
37:56
video games they're like these very, you know, very flat kind
37:59
of form fitting. Like they don't really fit in a
38:03
video game, you know, So then it's like, how do you take
38:05
something that's so wacky in this video game and translate it
38:09
in real life? That's something that's actually
38:11
quite, I don't know, it was kind of stylish too in the way that
38:15
they did it with the different lines and textures.
38:17
Oh. Yeah, it was stylish and
38:21
stylized. Like she definitely just like
38:26
pulled that 1950s influence and like, just played with it and
38:32
such a like, fun and interesting way that it, it made it grounded
38:40
but still had such a sense of fantasy about it.
38:43
It was really she did such a good job and just like made the
38:47
costumes very interesting to look at.
38:50
Yeah, Elizabeth, our next show is Echo, designed by Amber Riley
38:55
and Stacy Caballero. I actually have not seen this
38:59
show, but I'm such a big fan of this character in the MCU, Maya
39:05
Lopez, played by Eloqua Cox, a a fascinating character.
39:09
I'm very excited to get into this one.
39:11
I know that in this series you get to see a lot of like
39:14
indigenous costuming as well, so I'm excited to dive into it.
39:18
I just haven't, which is crazy 'cause I'm a big Marvel nerd.
39:22
Yeah, same. I, I, I love the character of
39:28
Maya. She's so interesting.
39:30
And I, I, I saw it's a little tiny bit of it, 'cause someone
39:35
in my house was watching it and, and I can't wait to go back and
39:39
watch all of it. Yeah, 'cause we we left her in
39:43
the Hawkeye Show, which we have a.
39:45
Episode about if. You all really want to dig deep
39:48
into the library of the Art of Costume podcast episodes that.
39:52
Was a minute ago. Yeah, I don't even remember what
39:55
season that is, honestly. I want to say one.
39:58
No, no, no. Like two maybe?
40:01
Three season 2 'cause it followed our Twilight episode.
40:06
OK, yeah, you remember better than I do.
40:09
Yeah, it's all right. But yes, Echo looks like such an
40:13
incredible show. Very glad it's nominated.
40:16
And then of course, you have none other than Ahsoka, designed
40:20
by Shawna Terpsik and assistant costume designer Elisa Alcala,
40:25
who we just had an episode with Elisa just last week.
40:29
And I know you. I don't think you've seen Ahsoka
40:32
yet. No, I'm behind on Star Wars
40:36
universe. Well to me I think this specific
40:41
series in the Star Wars series is serieses is series movies.
40:47
This is my favorite one, not just because of the story, but I
40:50
think like the costuming 2, Shawn and her team really took
40:54
it to the next level with this series.
40:58
There is a incredible scene toward the end where you get to
41:02
see these very interesting stormtroopers that may or may
41:07
not be undead. I don't really want to give too
41:10
much away, but the the stormtrooper uniforms are like,
41:16
you know, years and years old. So they're broken and they're
41:19
dead and Shawna and her team got to do like this.
41:23
Really interesting. Like gold.
41:27
I mean, I can't even describe it.
41:28
Why don't we just have Elisa talk about it?
41:31
It is really cool. I have to show it to you.
41:34
Each piece. Has.
41:37
The Konsuki, which is the gold and they all actually have like
41:42
they got dremeled out and then we put actual gold leafing into
41:45
them and then each of them had to get the red put on them and
41:49
we all including Shawna, we were all there just finishing and and
41:55
or packing these up. That is wild.
41:59
I know with the dathomerian red like fabric wrapped around them
42:05
too. Oh, it's very cool.
42:07
But then I can't wait. That makes me so much more
42:10
excited to watch this show. Yeah, it's a great show and I'm
42:15
so glad that Shawna was nominated.
42:17
Of course, as we all know, she passed away last October, which
42:21
has been very hard, but I'm just so happy that the Academy was
42:25
still willing to recognize Shawna and her team because this
42:30
was really a triumph in terms of costumes and Star Wars series is
42:36
and you know, it's a really incredible show.
42:40
So I'm really glad that they got that nomination.
42:44
But Elizabeth, let's move on to a category that I know that you
42:47
have some skin in the game. For this category, we're talking
42:50
about outstanding contemporary costumes for a series.
42:54
We have Hacks designed by Kathleen Felix Hager, Only
42:58
Murders in the Building by Dana Kova, Rubius the Bear by
43:02
Courtney Wheeler, The Crown by Amy Roberts, and The Righteous
43:06
Gemstones by Christina Flannery. This is a thick category.
43:12
Yes, literally the only show I have not watched is hacks I have
43:17
watched. Which is crazy.
43:19
It's. So crazy.
43:22
And like, that's not like I tend to watch contemporary shows the
43:27
least. So when I saw that I had seen
43:30
every show except Hacks, I was like whoa, have I been watching?
43:35
Yeah. But I feel like the like this
43:41
category for contemporary costumes, so many of them, it
43:46
was like the costumes were fun. They weren't just contemporary
43:49
or they were designed to be fun, like Righteous Gemstones and
43:54
Only Murders in the Building, like these are fun shows.
43:58
Yes, they're set now. It's a contemporary setting, but
44:03
those designers are not afraid to have fun with the fashion of
44:08
now. Yeah, I have to agree with you
44:11
actually. I feel like each of these shows
44:12
really, yeah, we're like, yeah, they stay true to what
44:17
contemporary fashion or costumes are for their for their series,
44:22
for whatever it is that the subject matter is, but they are.
44:25
So I feel like what makes good contemporary is also that
44:28
willingness to be off. You know, sometimes, like, for
44:33
example, in Hacks, the I have a picture for Elizabeth in the
44:37
first episode, Deborah Vance, she takes her stylist to her
44:42
closet, which is in the airport hangar.
44:44
That's how big it is. Oh.
44:45
My gosh. And she's trying to find the
44:47
most perfect dress for this event or something.
44:51
I don't really remember something big that she was
44:55
obviously looking forward to. And she's like, I know the
44:56
perfect dress and pulls out this yellow Bill Blass dress.
45:00
And it's hideous. Like, everyone on her team,
45:04
though, tells her how amazing it is.
45:07
And it's not until that the other character, Ava, sees this
45:11
dress in Deborah's hotel room, and she says it's fugly ass and
45:15
reminds her of Big Bird. And like, this ugly dress is
45:19
like leads these two characters to like kind of reconnect.
45:23
So like, it's moments like these where the costumes really get to
45:27
tell a story. I actually I have a clip that
45:31
has not even been released yet from a podcast with Kathleen if
45:35
we want to hear her talk about this dress.
45:37
Let's hear it. So we have to talk about the
45:41
hilarious yellow bill blast dress that sort of brings
45:44
Deborah and Ava back together. I believe Ava described it as,
45:48
and I quote, fugly ass. And that is giving Big Bird.
45:52
I was laughing my ass off when I saw this scene.
45:55
Yeah. How did you settle on this look?
45:57
And it's actually a bill blast dress.
45:59
It's so fun. It is a bill blast dress.
46:03
It's quite more embellished than the original Bill's original
46:07
design. It did have the horse hair on
46:10
it, but we added it on the skirt.
46:13
I found it on the real rail. It was just the script initially
46:18
said Deborah wears an ugly dress.
46:19
I mean, I think the original title of the episode was called
46:22
The Ugly Dress, but they changed it.
46:26
It's always fun for me when a costume.
46:29
It drives the story like this. I mean, and also sort of
46:33
terrifying because it had to be right.
46:34
It had to make sense for the comedy of the show.
46:38
It had to be ugly enough that people would were going to lie
46:42
to her about it. But also, at some point in
46:44
Deborah Vance's history, you would have believed that maybe
46:48
she would have thought it was chic.
46:49
So it had to it had to accomplish a lot of things for
46:55
the story. And I found it on the real real.
46:59
And it was the first dress that I tried on her and she loved it.
47:03
I loved it. The producers loved it.
47:05
It made us all laugh. It actually fit her so well.
47:08
It was very flattering. So it that part helped the story
47:12
that you would believe that Deborah would have thought it
47:14
was chic at one point. It's it's from the 1986 Bill
47:17
Blast Collection, if you're wondering so.
47:20
I am wondering. There's a hot pink version that
47:22
we also own so. That would be fun to see, yeah.
47:26
Yeah, I had a little, I know I had a little pitch that maybe DJ
47:30
and Deborah did a photo shoot in the pink and yellow versions of
47:34
the dress, but that never happened.
47:36
Oh man, I wish that still would. Just for me, at least, yeah.
47:42
That's hilarious. Yeah, it's so funny.
47:47
I just, yeah, I love how storytelling costumes could
47:50
really help tell a story. But then, Elizabeth, our next
47:54
show after Hacks is, of course, only Mergers in the Building by
47:58
Dana Koverubius. Shows within shows within shows.
48:02
I feel like this is your pick. Honestly, absolutely.
48:08
Only Murders in the Building might be the most charming show
48:12
on television right now. That's just, that's just what I
48:17
think. And so much of that is the
48:21
costumes. We just had Dana Covarrubias,
48:26
you just interviewed her and it was incredible.
48:30
Everyone go back and listen to that episode.
48:33
She's clearly just having so much fun and just really
48:38
enjoying the just wacky storylines and giving so much
48:45
life to these characters through the costume and then having to
48:49
like also design for like a Broadway show on top.
48:55
A show within a show is crazy. Yeah, a show within a show is
48:58
nuts. Still wanna know more about the
49:02
crab people? But you know, that's.
49:05
Neither here nor there, No. Yeah.
49:08
I mean, I love only mergers in a building.
49:11
And yeah, I mean, you, you nailed it.
49:13
I love that each season she has a different theme.
49:16
This one was very, very fun. And I just can't wait for season
49:19
four. We're going to have to get
49:20
together with Dana again after season four.
49:22
You'll you'll have to ask her about the crab people.
49:26
Of course I. Dana, if you're listening, I
49:28
know you just had a baby, but just so you know, we're coming
49:33
back with the crab people questions.
49:35
Yes. Then we have The Bear designed
49:39
by Courtney Wheeler. I just started watching the
49:41
bear. I'm on season two and oh cool, I
49:44
get the hype. It's such a good show.
49:46
I really love it. It's such a good show and I I
49:51
love that it was nominated because every, every part of
49:56
this show is so much care is taken and it's a show where for
50:04
the most part, the costumes kind of blend in, but when they
50:10
shine, they shine and they're so suited to every character.
50:15
Like the way she designs these costumes is just so beautiful in
50:21
its subtlety. I'm so happy she was nominated.
50:25
Yeah, I've, I've yet to meet Courtney, but I've heard such
50:29
incredible things and obviously her work speaks for herself.
50:32
Because it is really great work and I'm excited to keep watching
50:37
this show. I'm almost there.
50:38
I'm on season 2. I know season three is out.
50:41
I'm going to be caught up as soon as Emmy season.
50:43
You know, I catch up with the 100 other shows that we're
50:47
watching right now. And Oh my gosh, she has like
50:51
such an eye for fit like it's insane.
50:55
Yeah, totally. Then we have a interesting
50:59
newcomer to this category that we talked about.
51:03
The crown designed by Amy Roberts is here, which has
51:07
typically been known to be dominating the period
51:10
categories. So the crown's here for a little
51:13
bit of, I guess, payback in another category I.
51:17
I guess, I guess like I was shocked to see it in the
51:22
contemporary category because I feel like I'm like, yes,
51:27
technically it is a contemporary show for the the last season,
51:32
but it's it it felt period to me still, because it's still like
51:38
the late odds to the early 20 tens.
51:41
Like that feels like such a specific time and place to me.
51:47
Like that feels like it's own like time period.
51:51
So I thought I was a little shocked to see it in the
51:54
contemporary category, but entirely understand, entirely
51:59
understand. They did a beautiful job.
52:01
It's an Emmy's rule, you know, once a show hits like a certain
52:05
date or whatever, then it's considered contemporary or
52:08
period. It's just funny to me though
52:10
that The Crown is contemporary, but that Los Angeles Lakers show
52:16
that we were talking about in the period category is period
52:19
'cause it takes place in the 80s and that one looks contemporary.
52:23
So it's like, well, I mean, contemporary to a point.
52:26
I mean, it's just like something that looks familiar, but I mean,
52:30
you know how we feel about The Crown.
52:32
I love the Crown. I think we've had Amy Roberts on
52:36
a podcast actually last year, and her and her team are
52:40
incredible. Like, they.
52:42
Oh yeah. This is why she's nominated like
52:43
basically every year, because their show does not miss when it
52:47
comes to costumes. No, not a single time.
52:50
And then we have to wrap up with a show I am dying to see here,
52:56
the Righteous Gemstones, designed by our friend Christina
52:59
Flannery. So well deserved.
53:02
So well deserved. So well deserved.
53:06
I I wish you were there. When I saw that this was
53:08
nominated, I screamed so loud everyone in Pasadena must have
53:13
heard because it's just like, I feel like The Righteous
53:16
Gemstones, it's such a perfect show, but it's not watched by
53:20
enough people. Like it's not, it's not really
53:23
marketed at the level that like Hacks is.
53:26
So to say this just gives me hope.
53:28
I feel like more people are watching The Righteous Gemstones
53:31
and they're game familiar now with these characters.
53:34
Game familiar with Christina Flannery and her incredible work
53:37
in season three. Currently working on season 4,
53:40
familiar with Sarah Tross who did a costumes for seasons one
53:44
and two. There's just so much good stuff
53:46
in Righteous Gemstones and I'm so glad it's finally being
53:48
recognized. Yeah, it's it's really
53:51
incredible. And just that's that's another
53:55
one of those shows where I'm like, Oh my gosh, they're having
53:57
so much fun. They're.
53:58
Having so much fun. It's contemporary, there's some
54:01
real fashion moments, and then there's some moments where
54:04
you'll see, you know, Walton Goggins in a clamshell jumpsuit
54:09
inspired by Liberace by a pool. Yeah, I it's brilliant.
54:16
It's beautiful. It is fun.
54:18
If you're yeah, if you're not watching Righteous Gemstones, go
54:21
go watch that. I can't wait for season four.
54:24
It's not probably not even close to coming out.
54:26
It's probably a 2025 or 26 but still I'm like please I need it.
54:33
And Spencer, we have our final category, Outstanding
54:39
Contemporary Costumes for a limit, limited or anthology
54:44
series or movie. Yeah, this is this is another
54:49
good one. I don't know which way this
54:51
one's going to go, but we have American Horror Story Delicate
54:55
by Jacqueline Demetriou. We have Baby Reindeer by Mikel
55:00
Bailey, Fargo by Carol Case, The Regime by Consolata Boyle, and
55:07
True Detective Night Country, designed by our friend Alex
55:10
Bouverd. Most of you probably don't know
55:14
because he wouldn't. We actually had to take a break
55:16
halfway through this recording so I could go talk to Alex
55:19
Bouverd about True Detective Night Country.
55:22
So we had to take a little bit of a pause.
55:24
Yeah. Have you seen any of these
55:26
shows? Oh, I got you to start watching
55:29
baby reindeer. Yeah, I watched most of Baby
55:32
Reindeer. I had to take a little breaky
55:34
break because I was scarred. I That's an intense show.
55:45
Yeah. It's funny, once you like,
55:47
texted me after episode 4 and you're like, I need to go lay
55:51
down. I realized that I'm, I'm like, I
55:54
remembered who I was talking to when I told you to during the
55:58
show. And I was like, Oh yeah, that
56:00
probably was a bit heavy for Elizabeth.
56:02
Yeah, that was definitely a lot. Excellent.
56:08
Oh my gosh it is so good. Costumes also excellent.
56:16
Also another one where you can tell they were having fun like.
56:22
Yeah, it's. It's interesting.
56:26
It's very interesting. And I just, I can't believe that
56:28
the show, like the actor playing the main character whose name is
56:33
escaping me like that. This is his story, you know?
56:36
And that that just really blows my mind.
56:39
And I also, I'm happy to say that next week we're going to be
56:43
having a bonus episode with Michael Bailey talking about
56:48
baby reindeer. So I think maybe we should give
56:51
a little sneak peek. So what do you want to hear,
56:54
Elizabeth? Do you want to hear about
56:55
Donnie's suit or do you want to hear about Martha's mixed
56:58
matched clothing? How's your sneak peek?
57:01
Let's let's hear about Donnie's suit.
57:04
All right. Initially, and actually the
57:08
pilot episode, it was a suit that was referenced with loads
57:12
of pockets. So it that was the first kind of
57:15
sketch. So it was loads of pockets and
57:18
then me looking at the pockets. How are we going to design these
57:21
pockets? Well, as you know, was it be
57:23
print on print? Would it be these pockets of see
57:26
through? Because, you know, we can see
57:28
through to himself. So all of this and then we
57:32
progressed and evolved into know it's going to be like tartan and
57:36
Plaid then in that it was then playing around with the
57:40
different materials and the fabrics and me going to loads of
57:43
fabric shops all around London and US playing around with the
57:46
swatches. So we'd play dress up with
57:49
Richard one day in the studio, this one tartan head and he had
57:54
one round his waist and he was just taking non-stop pictures
57:56
and trying to work out what was the right, how does it work, you
58:00
know, against his skin also to tell the story.
58:03
It's also a comedy suit, but it's also him, you know, he
58:06
takes himself serious here. It's also an element.
58:09
Do we go big shoulders? Do we go small?
58:11
Are we fitted? Is it straight?
58:13
Does all of those elements with that with that suit and then
58:18
when we finally found the right fabric ordered cooled up the the
58:22
the fabric store. Yeah.
58:24
Can we get this amount of meters?
58:25
Oh, it's sold out. So so we had to do it all again,
58:32
but we kind of already whittled it down to our top ones.
58:34
So then we just yeah. So yeah, that was a little
58:37
behind the scenes. Yeah.
58:39
What happened there? But then it worked out for even
58:41
better. So then that it was the tie.
58:44
So finding the right tie to then work with the suit and then also
58:48
the coloured shirts underneath and he's the different colours
58:52
also represents a different place where he is at within
58:55
himself. It's so good talking to Michael
58:59
Elizabeth. He's such a cool guy you would
59:01
love. That I, I should, I should have
59:04
gone on that interview with you. I was available the one time I'm
59:08
available and I'm like, Oh yeah, go, go do the interview.
59:12
Should have been there. I I mean I didn't know I watched
59:15
it all literally the night I watched the entire You took a
59:18
break after episode 4. I watched all what, 8 episodes
59:22
and one sitting? I don't know how you did that.
59:24
And like and then woke up the next morning.
59:27
Yeah. Interviewed him first thing in
59:30
the morning. Yeah, it was wild.
59:33
I was not OK on honestly. That's a lot to take in at one
59:37
time. But some other shows, American
59:41
Horror Story delicate. You know, I'm a big fan of
59:43
American Horror Story and the costumes.
59:46
Honestly, I feel like the costumes are consistently the
59:48
best part of American Horror Story through all the seasons.
59:52
I'll, I'll be honest, I've been out of the American Horror Story
59:55
universe for a while, but when I heard Kim Kardashian was going
1:00:00
to be in it, I was kind of like, OK, maybe, maybe I'll watch
1:00:02
that. And then like, I forgot about
1:00:05
it, I've been busy, whatever. Then when I got the nomination,
1:00:09
I'm like, OK, here we go, officially on the list.
1:00:13
Game back into it. I I love American Horror Story I
1:00:16
did watch parts of this one and it's it's good.
1:00:19
I mean, Kim Kardashian actually holds her own as an actress.
1:00:22
Are they trying to? Bring the devil into the world
1:00:24
again. I didn't.
1:00:26
I honestly couldn't tell you what was happening, which has
1:00:30
been my qualms with American Horror Story recently.
1:00:35
But as always, the costumes did kill.
1:00:39
I just the one you have here. I'm like, Oh yes, Kim
1:00:42
Kardashian. Yeah, it's such a strong one.
1:00:45
I just, I've always loved American Horror Story.
1:00:47
It just takes me back to like when Lou Ehrich did American
1:00:49
Horror Story Coven like those are.
1:00:52
Those. Costumes are still like so it's
1:00:56
just such like a great lineage of AHS costumes.
1:01:00
Absolutely. Then we have Fargo, designed by
1:01:03
Carol Case. I have not gotten into this one,
1:01:07
but we're about to have an interview any day now actually.
1:01:11
So more on Fargo coming soon. But I know that's quite a
1:01:16
popular show. I always get confused.
1:01:18
I thought the show was a movie. Turns out it was a movie, but
1:01:21
there's also a show. So when people tell me they're
1:01:24
watching Fargo, I'm like, why is everyone rewatching this movie?
1:01:26
But it's just, that's just my own stupidity.
1:01:29
No, I this is one of those TV shows like I really want to get
1:01:33
into and this most recent season I I've seen some pictures and
1:01:39
videos and I'm like, oh, I might, I might finally need to
1:01:43
get into this. It, it looks really interesting.
1:01:47
She does a great job. She's a great job.
1:01:52
Yeah, well, I really want to get into it.
1:01:53
And Carol Case, from what I've done my research about as I'm
1:01:58
getting ready to interview her, she's such a cool costume
1:02:00
designer too. So that we have the regime which
1:02:04
I've been wanting to get into this one.
1:02:06
It just feels like such up mine and yours is is alley.
1:02:10
I know I this is another one. I was like, oh, I want to watch
1:02:14
that. I'm going to be honest, I
1:02:16
thought this was kind of like a fantasy show.
1:02:20
Obviously more contemporary, but like still like very much
1:02:23
fantasy. I'm like this almost looks like
1:02:25
the opposite of an apocalypse. Like.
1:02:29
Show like, yes, it's an alternate, it's like an
1:02:32
alternative future totally fantasy whatever.
1:02:35
So I, it completely went off my radar.
1:02:38
And then when it got nominated, I was like, Oh my gosh, yeah.
1:02:43
Again, like it's on the list. It's it's probably going to be
1:02:47
after I after I finish rewatching House of the Dragon.
1:02:51
This is my next show. Yeah, the the HBO shows are
1:02:55
killing it this year. The regime looks really cool.
1:02:58
I had thought it was a period show, but then I'm like, oh,
1:03:02
it's like it's a contemporary show that's taking place on like
1:03:05
a modern day. Kind of like I want, I want to
1:03:08
say dictatorship, but I haven't seen it.
1:03:10
So I don't want to throw that word around.
1:03:13
But that's kind of like the vibigate, kind of like a Fidel
1:03:15
Castro type, like contemporary. But you know, I haven't seen it,
1:03:20
so maybe I don't want to throw that word around.
1:03:23
Yeah, we'll watch it first. Kate Winslet's probably like
1:03:27
what Kate Winslet if you're watching, we will watch it very
1:03:32
soon. Yes, yeah.
1:03:33
And then if you want to come talk about it, let us know.
1:03:36
Oh, yeah. Doors open, Miss Winslet.
1:03:41
Then we have True Detective, Night Country and Elizabeth.
1:03:43
I have two episodes that I'm game ready to finish after you
1:03:48
and I stopped talking. And this show's really cool.
1:03:51
At first I was like a little on the fence.
1:03:54
And this mystery is so sick. It's like.
1:03:58
It's like a sick little true crime series that you can't help
1:04:02
but like. I want to know what happens is.
1:04:04
The whole thing taking place at night as well.
1:04:07
Pretty much, which adds like a level of horror to it because
1:04:10
it's taking place in Alaska during their days of night.
1:04:14
That is so that's wild. And like, good job, Alex Bovard.
1:04:22
Because like, I cannot imagine like having to think about like
1:04:27
making sure people can see your costumes the entire time.
1:04:31
Yeah. Like if your characters are in
1:04:34
the dark half the time, like like, how do you make that?
1:04:38
How do you make that pop? How do you, how do you like
1:04:40
define them? That's so interesting.
1:04:43
It's it was quite a challenge. That's what Alex and I just
1:04:46
talked about right before I got back on a call with you.
1:04:48
But she, like lighting really was like its own character in
1:04:52
the show because so much of the show, they're walking around
1:04:55
with flashlights or you have like the headlamp.
1:04:57
So you only see like glimpses of the costume.
1:05:00
So that's something you have to watch out for.
1:05:02
But also, just to put in perspective, Alex Bovair did the
1:05:05
costumes for the White Lotus and Nope.
1:05:09
And then also the second White Lotus in Italy.
1:05:13
So she's doing very hot, deserty tropical vacations.
1:05:17
And then she had to go to Iceland and her and her crew had
1:05:22
the film in these like days of night in Iceland.
1:05:26
With the show can. You imagine.
1:05:28
Struggling so much island I would constantly be texting you
1:05:34
like Spencer. I cannot do that.
1:05:36
I can't do this. And it's a lot of, it's like 2,
1:05:40
like police uniform costumes. So you're like, really?
1:05:43
Those are dark to begin with. Yeah, so she did such an
1:05:47
incredible job. I am so proud of her and but you
1:05:50
will know that her and her crew did survive 2 days of night
1:05:53
because when we were on a call she was in Thailand finishing
1:05:57
the White Lotus season three. So she made it out OK and.
1:06:01
She got a tropical vacation out of it.
1:06:03
Yeah, she made it to the other side, Elizabeth.
1:06:08
And that brings us to the end of her Emmys walkthrough.
1:06:13
What do you think? It's such a good year.
1:06:15
I, I'm so excited for all the nominees and like, like I have
1:06:20
who I hope wins each category, but I don't think I think I'll
1:06:25
be disappointed no matter who wins.
1:06:28
And that's I, I kind of feel like that's a little rare.
1:06:31
There's usually one or two where I'm like, why were these
1:06:34
nominated? But this year I'm like, Oh yeah,
1:06:38
of course, of course. It's a bangers only kind of year
1:06:41
at the Emmys honestly. It's just so many good
1:06:43
designers, so many great shows, so many incredible crews.
1:06:48
So happy for all of you and Elizabeth, I'm happy we got to
1:06:52
do this. It was lots of lots of good.
1:06:54
Fun, yeah. I'm glad we could talk before
1:06:58
you whisk away on your birthday vacation.
1:07:02
I'm going to go relax in New Orleans.
1:07:04
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1:08:03
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1:08:06
Speaking of faces, what are we actually watching next week?
1:08:09
For real. Next week, everyone, we are
1:08:12
finally going to two. Weeks from now.
1:08:14
Two weeks from now we will be watching Funny Face.
1:08:19
I'm very excited for this episode.
1:08:21
Yeah, for real this time. We are very excited.
1:08:24
Yeah, sorry, life got in the way and we really want this.
1:08:29
We want this to be a really good episode.
1:08:31
So we we're going to give ourselves the selves the time to
1:08:34
to get it to be great. We got to make Edith Head proud.
1:08:38
OK, we're not going to half ass that Edith Head episode, so we
1:08:42
are taking a little extra time, but we also have some bonus
1:08:47
episodes coming up as we talked about too.
1:08:49
So thank you all so much for listening, Elizabeth.
1:08:53
Happy birthday and I can't wait to talk to you soon.
1:08:56
I cannot wait to talk to you either.
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