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David Bacon Pt. One · The Path Went Chilly

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to our latest series from the Pathway Chili.
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Speaker 1: I'm Robin, and like we mentioned in our last series,
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Speaker 1: Ashley has taken some personal time off, but she should
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Speaker 1: hopefully be back soon and in the meantime, I'm once
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Speaker 1: again going to be sharing some details about a case
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Speaker 1: with Jewels and getting her live reaction. So our last
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Speaker 1: series was the Disappearance of Gene Spangler, and we had
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Speaker 1: a really good time doing that one. So I have
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Speaker 1: selected another old time Hollywood mystery from the nineteen forties, Jewels.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard about the murder of actor David Bacon.
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Speaker 2: No, I haven't. I'm really excited that it's an old
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Speaker 2: Hollywood mystery, and Robin made sure to point out to
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Speaker 2: me that he isn't related to Kevin Bacon, the actor.
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Speaker 2: But I did say that there must be some kind
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Speaker 2: of six degrees of Kevin Bacon, because pretty much everybody
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Speaker 2: can be connected to Kevin Bacon within six degrees.
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Speaker 1: It is true David Bacon did star in a couple movies,
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Speaker 1: so I'm sure you could do six degrees and connect
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Speaker 1: it to Kevin Bacon somehow. But yes, they are not related.
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Speaker 1: He was born many many years before the other famous bacon.
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Speaker 1: This is one that I covered on The Trail Went
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Speaker 1: Cold many years ago. You might know that before I
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Speaker 1: became a podcast or, I used to write articles for
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Speaker 1: the website list fers dot com and one of my
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Speaker 1: most popular ones was titled ten Entertainment Careers Cut Short
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Speaker 1: by unsawd Mysteries, so much so that it actually got
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Speaker 1: included on a list Fir's book that actually got released
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Speaker 1: couple years later, so I found it on a shelf
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Speaker 1: out of chapters, which was really cool. And for my
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Speaker 1: first anniversary of the Trail Went Cold, I came up
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Speaker 1: with the idea where my listeners could vote on which
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Speaker 1: case I cover, and I decided to put up a
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Speaker 1: poll on Facebook with the ten cases from my article
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Speaker 1: ten Entertainment Careers Cut Short by Unsolved Mysteries, and to
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Speaker 1: my surprise, the murder of David Vacan actually wound up
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Speaker 1: getting the most votes, and one which I found surprising
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Speaker 1: because it isn't as well known as some of the
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Speaker 1: other entries that were on that list, like it included
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Speaker 1: the disappearance of Gene Spangler, which is really famous. But
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Speaker 1: I think the reason people voted for this one is
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Speaker 1: that there were just so many weird details surrounding this crime.
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Speaker 1: But when I started doing research, I found myself surprised
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Speaker 1: that some of these sensationalistic details were not actually true.
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Speaker 1: If you go to David Bacon's Wikipedia page, it is
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Speaker 1: very bizarre some of the details each year, but unfortunately
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Speaker 1: some of them are likely untrue. And I have to
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Speaker 1: give a shout out to a website called ladailymer dot com,
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Speaker 1: which is a blog run by a Los Angeles Times
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Speaker 1: copy editor named Larry Harnish and a deep dive into
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Speaker 1: this case where he looked into a lot of the
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Speaker 1: old police files and newspaper articles, and while researching it,
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Speaker 1: I learned that some of the more sensationalistic details aren't
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Speaker 1: mentioned anywhere in the original media coverage or the police
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Speaker 1: files and are probably false, and that the sole source
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Speaker 1: of them is a very sensationalized book, which I'm going
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Speaker 1: to be talking about later on. But even though there
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Speaker 1: are a lot of untrue details, there are enough weird
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Speaker 1: ones that this is still a pretty perplexing case.
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Speaker 2: Well. I think that must have been a product of
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Speaker 2: the time as well, because if people wanted to put
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Speaker 2: a little jog on a story to sell papers or
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Speaker 2: for their own gain, especially when it came to true
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Speaker 2: crime stories. There wasn't the way to fact check them
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Speaker 2: like there is today. Obviously there was not the Internet.
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Speaker 2: There wouldn't be any way to cross reference it with
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Speaker 2: police files unless the police files were made public, which
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Speaker 2: very rarely is going to happen. So I would think that, like,
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Speaker 2: if you're in a position where you are the consumer
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Speaker 2: and you're reading about this case, how would you be
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Speaker 2: able to suss out the correct details from what could
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Speaker 2: be potential fabrications?
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Speaker 1: And the fabrications do not come out until decades after
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Speaker 1: the fact. I'll talk more about him later, but the
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Speaker 1: sole source of a lot of these details is a
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Speaker 1: biographer named Darwin Porter, who is known for writing like
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Speaker 1: sensationalized biographies about famous Hollywood actors and celebrities from yesteryear.
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Speaker 1: But his mo is not publishing them until the celebrity
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Speaker 1: and everyone else associated with them are long dead and
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Speaker 1: can't really refute a lot of the claims that they made.
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Speaker 1: So that's kind of the thing, is that he's sharing
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Speaker 1: secondhand information or just making stuff up, and there's no
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Speaker 1: one around to tell him that this is not true.
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Speaker 2: Is it that he doesn't want his claims to be refuted,
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Speaker 2: or that he doesn't want to be sued.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's because he doesn't want to be
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Speaker 1: sued because a lot of the claims that he made
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Speaker 1: are for people who are long deceased and can't do
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Speaker 1: anything to him.
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Speaker 2: Because I feel like you could sue somebody into oblivion
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Speaker 2: for misrepresenting your loved one and waiting until all parties
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Speaker 2: are deceased who are connected with the case, it feels
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Speaker 2: like then you're given the artistic license to dress up
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Speaker 2: the story, make whatever allegations, drop whatever false details you want,
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Speaker 2: and it becomes this sort of blend of fiction and nonfiction.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just state right up front, like this case
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Speaker 1: is going to feature a very famous figure who died
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Speaker 1: a long time ago, and there were allegations in this
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Speaker 1: book that he might have been involved in David Bacon's murder.
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Speaker 1: But needless to say, if this book was published several
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Speaker 1: decades ago, there would have been a huge lawsuit because
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Speaker 1: I'm completely sure that David Bacon did not even know
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Speaker 1: this person, let alone they were involved in his murder.
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Speaker 1: So going into the background, David Bacon was originally born
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Speaker 1: in Barnstable, Massachusetts and had a great birth name Gasper
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Speaker 1: Griswold Bacon Junior. He was born in a very prominent,
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Speaker 1: wealthy family because his father, Gasper Griswold Bacon Senior, was
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Speaker 1: the president of the Massachusetts Senate for a time time,
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Speaker 1: was on the board of Harvard University, and he once
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Speaker 1: served as Lieutenant govdra of Massachusetts. So David seemed prime
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Speaker 1: to maybe enter a career in politics. But he decided
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Speaker 1: that no, I want to travel to Hollywood and try
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Speaker 1: to make it as an actor and went on a
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Speaker 1: completely different path than the rest of his family. And
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Speaker 1: of course he changed his name to David Bacon because
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Speaker 1: I think he knew that if I go to Hollywood
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Speaker 1: under the name Gasper Bacon, I'm not going to find
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Speaker 1: too much success.
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Speaker 2: I feel like the name Gasper Griswold Bacon Junior is
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Speaker 2: a lot more captivating than David Bacon. David Bacon just
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Speaker 2: sounds like, I don't know, it sounds a little more pedestrian,
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Speaker 2: whereas Gasper Griswold Bacon Junior sounds like upper echelons. It
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Speaker 2: sounds classy, it sounds lux.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of surprised he didn't go with that,
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Speaker 1: because at least it would make him stand out, but
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Speaker 1: it also kind of sounds like a Bond super villain
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Speaker 1: or somebody like that, like Beyond Heartthrob, which David was,
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Speaker 1: so I think he just wanted a more traditional name.
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to mention one of the untrue details
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Speaker 1: which is often associated with this case. If you go
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Speaker 1: to David Bacon's Wikipedia page, it says that while he
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Speaker 1: was in college, he joined a summer stock theater group
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Speaker 1: for college undergraduates called the University Players and became good
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Speaker 1: friends with Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda before they became
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Speaker 1: two of the biggest stars in Hollywood, and even said
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Speaker 1: that when David was struggling as an actor, he wound
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Speaker 1: up living with them. But I think that is completely
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Speaker 1: fabricated because if you go and look up their birth dates,
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Speaker 1: you'll see that Jimmy Stewart was six years older than
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Speaker 1: David and Henry Fonda was nine years older than David.
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Speaker 1: And while it is true that both men were with
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Speaker 1: the University Players while they were in college, that would
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Speaker 1: have been when David was still in high school and
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Speaker 1: hadn't even entered university yet. So I don't think that
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Speaker 1: he ever knew them. Let alone, was good friends with
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Speaker 1: them and live with them. And I think that is
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Speaker 1: just one of those details that was completely fabricated to
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Speaker 1: make it look like David was much more prominent than
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Speaker 1: he really was and that he had in with these
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Speaker 1: big Hollywood actors.
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Speaker 2: So this is where our jumping off point is where
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Speaker 2: the fabrications start and refresh my memory. You might have said,
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Speaker 2: what David's birth date was, what year was he born? Again?
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Speaker 1: He was born in nineteen fourteen, and Jimmy Stewart was
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Speaker 1: born in nineteen oh eight, and Henry Fond was born
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Speaker 1: in nineteen oh five. So there's no way they would
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Speaker 1: have been going to college together and being roommates because,
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Speaker 1: like I said, David would have still been in high
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Speaker 1: school when they were in the university players.
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Speaker 2: But imagine you have that information at the time and
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Speaker 2: you're hearing about this and you don't have the ability
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Speaker 2: to look something up like we do today. I mean,
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Speaker 2: how would you even get that information. Say you want
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Speaker 2: an information about like your favorite star, like Henry Fonda
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Speaker 2: or something like that, and what would you do. Would
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Speaker 2: you just go and check out a biography on Henry Fonda?
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Speaker 2: Like how would one get information look up newspaper articles.
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Speaker 1: I think so, like and I'm sure they would publish
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Speaker 1: books when they gave the birth dates to like the
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Speaker 1: because they were two very famous actors. But someone like
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Speaker 1: David Bacon, who was not famous, Like, you're not going
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Speaker 1: to be able to just look up on Wikipedia when
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Speaker 1: his birthday was. So when you hear that he was
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Speaker 1: friends with these two guys, you're not going to check
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Speaker 1: the ages, and you're automatically gonna assumed, well, it must
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Speaker 1: be true, because why else will they say this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like somebody did some kind of research
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Speaker 2: and realized that they were at the same university and
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Speaker 2: they were in the same you know, acting club, but
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Speaker 2: they didn't actually go so far as to make sure
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Speaker 2: that the dates matched and that they were within like
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Speaker 2: a four year period, which would make sense for like
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Speaker 2: an undergraduate degree, but that's way off, like you know,
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Speaker 2: nine years off or whatever. It's like, they're not going
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Speaker 2: to be at university during the same time period, unless
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Speaker 2: it was something like Peter Fonda was doing a medical
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Speaker 2: degree or something, which we know that he wasn't.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course this information did not come out
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Speaker 1: until after all these guys were dead, so there was
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Speaker 1: no one around to refute it. So by nineteen forty three,
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Speaker 1: David was twenty nine years old and was living in
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Speaker 1: Santa Monica in the Hollywood Hills region, and he had
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Speaker 1: a forty year old wife named Greta Keller. She was
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Speaker 1: actually a famous cab race singer from Austria who decided
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Speaker 1: to move to the United States and during the nineteen thirties,
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Speaker 1: and they seemed like an unlikely couple because he was
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Speaker 1: like from an upscale family in Massachusetts, he was eleven
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Speaker 1: years younger than her, and she also had one previous
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Speaker 1: marriage under her belt. But she actually became pregnant for
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Speaker 1: the first time at age forty, which is very unusual.
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Speaker 1: And at the time this story tooks place, Greta was
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Speaker 1: five months pregnant and David was finally starting to have
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Speaker 1: some success in his acting career.
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Speaker 2: He said, there was eleven years difference. I thought you
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Speaker 2: said he was one of them was forty and one
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Speaker 2: was forty three.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, this is many years later, like after he
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Speaker 1: left the university. He was living in Los Angeles and
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Speaker 1: got married to this woman, Greta Keller.
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Speaker 2: Oh what I thought you said. Greta was ten years
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Speaker 2: older than him.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, she was.
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Speaker 2: So what was his age and what was Greta's age?
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Speaker 1: He was twenty nine and she was forty.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that would have been like a really progressive move,
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Speaker 2: like you said, on the surface, to have somebody be
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Speaker 2: eleven years older. Women get a lot more mier and
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Speaker 2: judgment when it comes to age gap relationships when men
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Speaker 2: don't really get a side eye for something like ten
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Speaker 2: or eleven years. I think times are changing and people
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Speaker 2: are a lot more accepting, but in the nineteen forties,
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Speaker 2: I feel like it would have been more of a challenge,
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Speaker 2: especially because you said the backgrounds are so incredibly different.
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Speaker 2: But it sounds like Greta must have captivated him because
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Speaker 2: she's obviously this beautiful singer, and she has this ability
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Speaker 2: to entertain and to pull you in. So I would
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Speaker 2: love to hear more about their love story, but I
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Speaker 2: have a feeling that even if we have those details,
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Speaker 2: it might not be true.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Unfortunately, we really don't have many details about how
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Speaker 1: they originally met. We'll talk more about the Slater, but
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Speaker 1: there has been speculation it might have been some sort
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Speaker 1: of lavender marriage where maybe David was interested in men
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Speaker 1: and was only hooking up with this woman for appearance's sake,
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Speaker 1: and there might be some truth to that, because she
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Speaker 1: already had some substantial money because of her success as
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Speaker 1: a cabaret singer. So as possible, maybe David decided to
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Speaker 1: hook up with her because she had money and could
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Speaker 1: help support him while he was starting his acting career.
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Speaker 1: But she was also pregnant and there was nothing to
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Speaker 1: indicate that anyone else was the father, So if he
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Speaker 1: was having a child, maybe he was really interested in
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Speaker 1: a long term relationship.
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Speaker 2: And do we know if she was an American citizen
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Speaker 2: at this point or if a green card could have
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Speaker 2: come into play as well.
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Speaker 1: Unfortunately we don't have this information, but it sounds like
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Speaker 1: she was living there legally, so I don't think she
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Speaker 1: I think she got her citizenship before she met David,
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Speaker 1: so it wasn't just a marriage for the purpose of
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Speaker 1: getting a green card. So David got some parts in
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Speaker 1: some B movies like Nothing too Big, so he wasn't
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Speaker 1: like a big star yet, but he was making a
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Speaker 1: bit of money, and he had his biggest success starring
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Speaker 1: in a serial drama called The Mask Marvel. And I
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Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever seen any of these serial dramas,
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Speaker 1: from like the nineteen thirties to the nineteen fifties, where
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Speaker 1: they were usually like about superheroes, like they were the
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Speaker 1: first incarnation of like Batman, Superman, Captain America before they
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Speaker 1: even became full time TV shows or movies, where they
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Speaker 1: would show like a twenty minute short film before the
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Speaker 1: start of a movie and it would always end on
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Speaker 1: like a cliffhanger where your superheroes in like a bad
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Speaker 1: situation and it was supposed to like compel you to
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Speaker 1: come back the next week, because then they would show
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Speaker 1: the masks chapter and show how they got out of
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Speaker 1: their situation, and they were usually about like twelve chapters
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Speaker 1: long before they reached the end. And this one the
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Speaker 1: Mass Marvel. He was a mass superhero who was fighting
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Speaker 1: some Japanese spies, an evil Japanese sabateur, and of course
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Speaker 1: this was just after Pearl Harbor in the middle of
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Speaker 1: World War Two. So if you watch some of these
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Speaker 1: on YouTube, they're not exactly the most politically correct portrayal
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Speaker 1: of Japanese characters. They're kind of stereotypically evil. But what's
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Speaker 1: kind of funny is that David's character was technically the
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Speaker 1: Mass Marvel, but it was kind of a thing where
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Speaker 1: they had like four main characters and you wouldn't find
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Speaker 1: out until the very last chapter which one was the
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Speaker 1: mass Marvel. So most of the scenes were of the
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Speaker 1: Mass Marvel well pretty much just a stunt man in
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Speaker 1: a mask doing like all the fight scenes and all
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Speaker 1: the stunts, and technically not David. And then at the
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Speaker 1: very end they have like an insert shot of him
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Speaker 1: pulling off his mask and revealing, oh my god, David
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Speaker 1: was the Mass Marvel all along, even though he never
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Speaker 1: actually did any of the previous scenes.
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Speaker 2: This is so smart. This sounds like viral social media marketing,
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Speaker 2: but way before there was social media. So you're saying
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Speaker 2: in a movie theater they would preview like rather than
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Speaker 2: having like all the previews, they would run this like
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Speaker 2: twenty minute short film, but then you'd have to come
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Speaker 2: back and see whatever film was playing the next week
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Speaker 2: to get the next installment. Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: Pretty much like going to the movies was an event
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Speaker 1: where you'd get like a cartoon and use reel and
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Speaker 1: a short film before you got the main features. So
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Speaker 1: you could pretty much spend like an entire day just
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Speaker 1: going to the theater, and then the next week, if
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Speaker 1: you had a cliffhang, or you're thinking to yourself, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm not really interested in the main feature, the main movie,
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Speaker 1: but I want to find out what happened to the
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Speaker 1: mass Marble. So I'm gonna come back just to see
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Speaker 1: like the next chapter in the serial.
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Speaker 2: That's brilliant. And I'm sure that David probably thought that
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Speaker 2: like this was going to be his entree into like
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Speaker 2: being a real movie star, that it would catch the
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Speaker 2: eye of the right person and hopefully it would get
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Speaker 2: him in front of the right executives and then cast
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Speaker 2: in the right project, because you have to feel like
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Speaker 2: you get a movie project or like a I don't
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Speaker 2: know what would you even call that. It would be
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Speaker 2: like a superhero short film, superhero series, but attached to
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Speaker 2: a movie. I don't know what to even parallel it
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Speaker 2: to or what to compare it to. These days, yeah.
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Speaker 1: They don't really do that now, Like they'll have stuff
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Speaker 1: on YouTube, like maybe serial dramas and Netflix and whatnot
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Speaker 1: where you can tune into the next chapter. But these
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Speaker 1: days you actually had to go to a theater and
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Speaker 1: pay money to see how this would turn out. And
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen the movie Misery with
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Speaker 1: Kathy Bates.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I love that movie. It's so disturbing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that. There's actually a part where she's
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Speaker 1: talking about when she went to see a serial drama
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Speaker 1: when she was a kid, and that one of them
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Speaker 1: man did on a cliffhanger where someone was trapped in
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Speaker 1: a burning car and then at the start of the
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Speaker 1: next chapter he suddenly escaped, but they didn't explain how,
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Speaker 1: and it made her so angry, and that's where she
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Speaker 1: utters the Imooral line he didn't get out of the
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Speaker 1: cock a duty car.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, I wouldn't have remembered it being attached to
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Speaker 2: a serial drama, but like that gives us some cultural
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Speaker 2: context for me. Yeah, I had no idea that these existed.
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Speaker 2: And it reminds me of like there's a on the
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Speaker 2: reality show that you did a revamp of Ander Pump Rules,
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Speaker 2: and with the new cast, there's just one cast member
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Speaker 2: named Shane and he makes his living basically doing It's
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Speaker 2: like a movie, but they shoot them in like one
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Speaker 2: minute installments and so like you have to watch it
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Speaker 2: over like I don't know, however, sixty parts or you know,
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Speaker 2: ninety parts or whatever it is, and so like he
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Speaker 2: makes his money like shooting these tiny little installment movies
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Speaker 2: and they've become really, really big. So I guess that
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Speaker 2: would be like the closest thing to what I would
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Speaker 2: consider these Mass Marvel like promotional videos, almost like let's
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Speaker 2: drive butts to the theaters, right, Like, let's get butts
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Speaker 2: in seats. How do we do that. Let's appeal to
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Speaker 2: them and give them a news feed. Let's give them
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Speaker 2: a cliffhanger with the superhero storyline where they have to
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Speaker 2: come in again next week. Then the movie can almost
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Speaker 2: become an afterthought if you get them hooked on that
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Speaker 2: pretty much.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard like some of the kids who grew
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Speaker 1: up in that time period would sometimes go to the
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Speaker 1: theater just to see the serial dramas rather than the movie,
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Speaker 1: Like the movie's interest was second. They just wanted to
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Speaker 1: see what happened to their big hero and how they
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Speaker 1: escaped the cliffhanger. But unfortunately, it sounds like the Mass
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Speaker 1: Marvel was kind of a cursed production because David was
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Speaker 1: pretty much only the fifth choice to play his character,
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Speaker 1: because they actually cast four actors in that role who
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Speaker 1: all had to drop out before they found David because
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Speaker 1: they got injured or they got ill. Or they had
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Speaker 1: like conflicts in their schedules. So I don't know if
18:29
Speaker 1: David should take that as a compliment that he got
18:31
Speaker 1: this role, because he was pretty much the fifth choice,
18:34
Speaker 1: And ironically enough, when they finally completed the production without
18:37
Speaker 1: him getting injured, he made a remark I'm probably gonna
18:40
Speaker 1: get hurt going home in the car, and it didn't happen,
18:43
Speaker 1: but David would wind up dead just two weeks later
18:46
Speaker 1: in a car, which is prophetic.
18:48
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, so this almost makes this movie set
18:51
Speaker 2: like the Passion of the Christ or The Exorcist or
18:57
Speaker 2: The Crow, any of these movies that there's been like
19:00
Speaker 2: these accusations of a curse attached to them. It is
19:03
Speaker 2: so compelling. Even though I don't necessarily believe in curses,
19:07
Speaker 2: I think that sometimes very strange things can befollow a movie,
19:11
Speaker 2: and it can be very very difficult to explain within
19:14
Speaker 2: our known framework of explanation. Some of these things seem
19:17
Speaker 2: to defy that, like the injuries to Jim Cavizl on
19:21
Speaker 2: the Passion of the Christ. But it seems like this
19:25
Speaker 2: production could have also been quote unquote cursed in a
19:29
Speaker 2: sense just that like you have these multiple people who
19:33
Speaker 2: drop out, David Bacon's probably thinking like, Yes, this is
19:37
Speaker 2: going to be my big break, this is going to
19:39
Speaker 2: be what gets me into Hollywood. And then to know
19:43
Speaker 2: that he doesn't get to actualize his dreams and he
19:46
Speaker 2: doesn't get to go past doing this short serial drama
19:51
Speaker 2: is really kind of sad.
19:53
Speaker 1: Yes, And if you want to hear of another creepy
19:55
Speaker 1: PostScript of this story, there was another actor on the
19:57
Speaker 1: Mass Marvel named Rod Bacon who was a no relation
20:00
Speaker 1: to him, but he wound up dying in nineteen forty eight,
20:03
Speaker 1: just five years later, of a cerebral hemorrhage at the
20:06
Speaker 1: young age of thirty three. So what are the odds
20:08
Speaker 1: that this cereal would have two actors with the last
20:11
Speaker 1: name Bacon, who are not related, who would both wind
20:13
Speaker 1: up dead at young ages just a few years later.
20:16
Speaker 2: It sounds statistically improbable, doesn't it. But I guess it
20:20
Speaker 2: has to be one of those things with such low
20:22
Speaker 2: probability that it does end up occurring. But it seems
20:26
Speaker 2: when you look at it on the surface, like how
20:28
Speaker 2: does this even happen? Like how could it even be real?
20:31
Speaker 1: Yes, and you would think this is one of those
20:33
Speaker 1: details that was fabricated and sensationalized. But no, this is
20:36
Speaker 1: actually one of the details of this story that's one
20:38
Speaker 1: hundred percent true, which is crazy.
20:41
Speaker 2: It's strange to me that there's even two people with
20:43
Speaker 2: the name Bacon.
20:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, like long before Kevin Bacon. So maybe
20:47
Speaker 1: that's why they chose Kevin Bacon for this whole six
20:50
Speaker 1: Degrees of thing, because they had this curse production where
20:53
Speaker 1: two actors named Bacon died within a few years.
20:55
Speaker 2: Oh, I like that conspiracy theory.
20:59
Speaker 1: So well. On September the twelfth, nineteen forty three, David,
21:03
Speaker 1: like I said, was living in the Hollywood Hills in
21:05
Speaker 1: Santa Monica with Greta, and he had just gotten a
21:08
Speaker 1: role in a new movie, so his acting career was
21:10
Speaker 1: picking up. And on this particular day, David said that
21:13
Speaker 1: he wanted to go swimming, and Greta was initially planning
21:16
Speaker 1: to go with them, but she had spoken to her
21:19
Speaker 1: physician who advised her against it because she was five
21:22
Speaker 1: months pregnant at this point, and David apparently initially said
21:26
Speaker 1: that he didn't want to go swimming without Greta, but
21:28
Speaker 1: then they got into an argument because he wanted to
21:31
Speaker 1: have sex and she just wasn't in the mood. So
21:34
Speaker 1: Greta then went and took a nap sometime between noon
21:37
Speaker 1: and two pm, and when she woke up, she was
21:39
Speaker 1: just surprised to discover that David had left the house
21:42
Speaker 1: in her car without telling her, and she initially thought
21:46
Speaker 1: that he was going to go swimming, but curiously, even
21:48
Speaker 1: though he usually took their three dogs with them whenever
21:51
Speaker 1: he went swimming, he left them behind this time, and
21:54
Speaker 1: she found it surprising that he just decided to leave
21:57
Speaker 1: without telling her where he was going.
21:58
Speaker 2: Well, thank god he the dogs behind, because this could
22:02
Speaker 2: have been an even bigger tragedy than it was if
22:05
Speaker 2: you have David passing away and poor Greta is pregnant.
22:10
Speaker 2: She's probably angry because David's pushing her for sex, and
22:14
Speaker 2: she's not in the mood because she's pregnant and just
22:18
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like it and doesn't want to be harped
22:20
Speaker 2: out about it. So she's well within her rights to
22:24
Speaker 2: just go and have a nap. And then when David's gone,
22:28
Speaker 2: and it seems atypical because his typical pattern of behavior
22:31
Speaker 2: would be take the dogs, so she's probably wondering is
22:34
Speaker 2: he really going for a swim? Is he going to
22:36
Speaker 2: do something else. What are his plans? Because if he
22:39
Speaker 2: was going for a swim, wouldn't he take the dogs?
22:43
Speaker 1: And that's why I think this argument is a very
22:44
Speaker 1: important detail, because when you learn the circumstance of what happened,
22:48
Speaker 1: I think it's likely that because Greta didn't want to
22:51
Speaker 1: have sex with him, David wanted to go somewhere else
22:53
Speaker 1: to have sex and use this whole swimming as a
22:56
Speaker 1: cover story. But then things went horribly wrong and he
22:59
Speaker 1: would wind up dead short time later. So the couple's
23:02
Speaker 1: favorite swimming spot was a beach house in Santa Monica,
23:05
Speaker 1: which belonged to a friend of theirs, But of course
23:07
Speaker 1: it would turn out that David never actually went there,
23:10
Speaker 1: so it seems very unlikely that swimming was his main
23:13
Speaker 1: reason for leaving the house. And a couple hours later,
23:16
Speaker 1: at around five pm, some witnesses would see Greta's car
23:20
Speaker 1: driving erradically along Washington Boulevard in a rural area just
23:23
Speaker 1: outside Los Angeles, and I wound up swerving across the road,
23:27
Speaker 1: jumping a curb and crashing into a bean field. And
23:30
Speaker 1: when witnesses ran to the scene to the help, they
23:32
Speaker 1: saw David stumbling out of the car wearing nothing but
23:35
Speaker 1: a pair of blue denim shorts. He fell to the
23:37
Speaker 1: ground and whispered out the words please help me before
23:41
Speaker 1: he died, and then they noticed that he had a
23:43
Speaker 1: stab wound in the left side of his back. So
23:46
Speaker 1: the police were soon called to the scene to investigate
23:48
Speaker 1: and found out that David's stab wound was between five
23:51
Speaker 1: and six inches deep and caused a hemorrhage of his
23:54
Speaker 1: left lung, and that the probable weapon was a stiletto blade,
23:57
Speaker 1: though the murder weapon was never found, so they figured
24:00
Speaker 1: out that David was likely stabbed while he was leaning forward.
24:03
Speaker 1: He might have literally been stabbed in the back and
24:06
Speaker 1: was unexpecting it, and that even though he somehow managed
24:09
Speaker 1: to climb into his car and drive away, he wouldn't
24:11
Speaker 1: have lived for more than twenty minutes after receiving the wound.
24:15
Speaker 2: Wow. Okay, this is very very interesting. And let me
24:19
Speaker 2: just add that the conspiracy theories that they have a
24:22
Speaker 2: lavender marriage that seems unlikely. I mean, it's possible that
24:25
Speaker 2: David was bisexual, but I just don't think that Greta
24:29
Speaker 2: would put it out there that he was demanding sex
24:33
Speaker 2: and that she wasn't interested. If that wasn't true, it
24:36
Speaker 2: just seems like a really odd story to fabricate. So
24:40
Speaker 2: I'm willing to kind of cross that off as a possibility,
24:43
Speaker 2: and I'm definitely believing that their marriage is a genuine one.
24:48
Speaker 2: And what type of scenario would you be leaning forward
24:52
Speaker 2: and showing somebody your back in an intense moment of vulnerability.
24:57
Speaker 2: It could be a sexual situation where David felt safe,
25:01
Speaker 2: because I don't feel like you're going to let somebody
25:03
Speaker 2: that close to you unless you feel like you're safe
25:07
Speaker 2: or that no harm will befall you. So it seems
25:11
Speaker 2: like you'd alluded to earlier that his objective for going
25:15
Speaker 2: out was certainly not to go swimming, that it seems
25:18
Speaker 2: more likely that he was meeting up with an individual
25:20
Speaker 2: for something a little more intimate.
25:23
Speaker 1: Definitely, also the fact that he was found wearing nothing
25:26
Speaker 1: but a pair of denim shorts. And I do agree
25:28
Speaker 1: with your point that it is possible that David was bisexual,
25:31
Speaker 1: but I think he still had an interest in women,
25:34
Speaker 1: and that he genuinely wanted to have sex with Greta
25:37
Speaker 1: and have a child with her, even if he did
25:39
Speaker 1: have a side interest in men. So his shorts were dry,
25:43
Speaker 1: so he had not worn them into the water recently,
25:46
Speaker 1: but there were specs of sand on them to indicate
25:48
Speaker 1: that he had been on a beach. He also had
25:51
Speaker 1: his wallet autumn which still had thirteen dollars inside, and
25:54
Speaker 1: he was wearing two rings, so robbery did not seem
25:57
Speaker 1: like a motive for the murder. And even though there
25:59
Speaker 1: was no blood on the exterior of the vehicle, there
26:02
Speaker 1: was a great deal of it inside, so he was
26:04
Speaker 1: likely stabbed inside the car, maybe in the back seat,
26:07
Speaker 1: maybe while bending over or maybe getting intimate with someone.
26:10
Speaker 1: And there was also a bathrobe on the back seat
26:12
Speaker 1: which was covered in blood, but since there was no
26:14
Speaker 1: knife mark on it, he had likely not been wearing
26:17
Speaker 1: it while he was stabbed.
26:19
Speaker 2: There's so many options here for what could have happened.
26:23
Speaker 2: We think if somebody is stabbed, that is much more
26:26
Speaker 2: likely going to be a man who's going to commit that,
26:28
Speaker 2: because the probability is always higher that the attacker, especially
26:32
Speaker 2: of a violent death, is going to be a man.
26:35
Speaker 2: But it doesn't necessarily mean that this encounter was with
26:39
Speaker 2: a man. There's obviously a scenario where it could have
26:44
Speaker 2: been somebody who had a boyfriend or a husband, a
26:47
Speaker 2: woman who had a boyfriend or a husband, or if
26:49
Speaker 2: it was a sex worker, it could have been their pimp.
26:52
Speaker 2: It also could have been a woman who decided to
26:55
Speaker 2: do this, or could have been a man. There's just
26:58
Speaker 2: so many options open with what little information we have
27:01
Speaker 2: about who could be the possible perpetrator. But like, let
27:04
Speaker 2: me just stay on his side. Note did you ever
27:06
Speaker 2: watch your Rusted Development?
27:07
Speaker 1: Yes? It did. Yes.
27:09
Speaker 2: Do you remember Tobias in the Denham shorts the never nude?
27:12
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, yes, definitely.
27:14
Speaker 2: That was like the first thought that came to my
27:17
Speaker 2: head when he wasn't wearing any other clothes except for
27:19
Speaker 2: the Denham shorts, was oh my gosh, it's the never nude.
27:23
Speaker 1: So it's like, even when David's getting intimate, he doesn't
27:25
Speaker 1: want to get take off his shorts because he's a
27:27
Speaker 1: never nude or something like that.
27:29
Speaker 2: What I was thinking, Yeah.
27:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, they eventually checked the car for fingerprints, but
27:34
Speaker 1: the only ones they found belonged to David and Greta
27:36
Speaker 1: because it was her car. But there was a big
27:39
Speaker 1: piece of evidence to suggest that another person had been there,
27:42
Speaker 1: and that was a navy blue sweater which one of
27:44
Speaker 1: the witnesses took from inside the vehicle and actually placed
27:47
Speaker 1: underneath David's head while they were waiting for help to arrive.
27:51
Speaker 1: But it turned out that the sweater did not belong
27:53
Speaker 1: to David because it was two sizes too small, and
27:56
Speaker 1: it had blonde hairs on it, even though David's hair
27:59
Speaker 1: was brown. And of course these days they would just
28:02
Speaker 1: do DNA testing on the hairs and probably be able
28:04
Speaker 1: to match it to someone, but of course this was
28:06
Speaker 1: nineteen forty three, so this wasn't an option. It resembled
28:10
Speaker 1: a specific type of sweater which had been given out
28:12
Speaker 1: to athletes at a Venice Beach High School five years earlier,
28:16
Speaker 1: but they can never conclusively match it to anybody, and
28:19
Speaker 1: there were also three small feathers on the sweater, which
28:22
Speaker 1: led to speculation that its owner might have been employed
28:24
Speaker 1: at a poultry market or a farm at some point,
28:27
Speaker 1: but they were never able to match it to anyone
28:29
Speaker 1: or figure out who it belonged to. But it likely
28:32
Speaker 1: did belong to David's killer, and if this was a
28:35
Speaker 1: crime of passion where someone stabbed him and then immediately
28:38
Speaker 1: fled the scene, they probably left their sweater behind and
28:41
Speaker 1: maybe did not even realize it until it was too late.
28:44
Speaker 2: I mean, it's quite an assumption to think that they
28:47
Speaker 2: worked at like a poultry farm. Maybe they just owned
28:50
Speaker 2: birds or had like goose down pillows or something like that.
28:53
Speaker 2: I think that just because there's feathers on a sweater
28:56
Speaker 2: does not mean that the person works in poultry. Did
29:01
Speaker 2: they say if the size was two sizes of smaller
29:03
Speaker 2: in men's or ladies? Were they was it gender specific?
29:08
Speaker 1: It wasn't gender specific. They never specifically said if it
29:11
Speaker 1: belonged to a man or a woman. But I do
29:14
Speaker 1: know that when they said that it was given out
29:15
Speaker 1: to athletes at a Venice Beach High School, and I
29:18
Speaker 1: know that back in the nineteen forties, most athletes would
29:20
Speaker 1: have been men rather than women's, so I think the
29:22
Speaker 1: implication seemed to be that it was a men's sweater.
29:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they didn't say long blonde hairs. And that's again,
29:29
Speaker 2: it's not gender specific whether or not somebody has short
29:31
Speaker 2: or long hair. It's a broad generalization, but I would
29:35
Speaker 2: think you'd be more likely to see longer hair on
29:38
Speaker 2: a woman than on a man's. So if they said
29:41
Speaker 2: long blonde hairs, I would think it would be more
29:43
Speaker 2: likely to be a woman's and short would be more
29:46
Speaker 2: likely to be a man's.
29:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if it was like long, blonde women's hair,
29:50
Speaker 1: they would have specified that. So I do think that
29:53
Speaker 1: it did belong to a man. I don't know if
29:54
Speaker 1: they had the technology back in nineteen forty three to
29:57
Speaker 1: determine if a hair belonged to a man or a woman.
30:00
Speaker 2: I don't think you can without the DNA, right.
30:03
Speaker 1: I think so, Yeah, So I don't think they were
30:05
Speaker 1: able to determine it. From today's perspective, you're probably cringing
30:08
Speaker 1: when you hear about the pedestrian putting the sweater behind
30:11
Speaker 1: his head, thinking, no, that's forensic evidence, don't touch it.
30:14
Speaker 1: But back in nineteen forty three, they're not going to
30:16
Speaker 1: be thinking about that.
30:17
Speaker 2: No, they're going to be thinking about this person is dying.
30:21
Speaker 2: What can I do to help alleviate their suffering or
30:24
Speaker 2: to help them in some kind of a way. So,
30:26
Speaker 2: whatever the pedestrian was doing in that moment, preserving life
30:30
Speaker 2: is the most important thing. Even nowadays, it's not like
30:34
Speaker 2: if somebody's dying and you're trying to you're trying to
30:38
Speaker 2: intervene or give help in some capacity that you're going
30:41
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, well, I shouldn't use this because
30:43
Speaker 2: it could be forensic evidence. I think in that moment,
30:46
Speaker 2: all you're going to be thinking about is let me
30:49
Speaker 2: keep this person alive. And I think it becomes an
30:52
Speaker 2: afterthought or maybe I should have behaved differently when that
30:55
Speaker 2: person dies and solving the crime becomes paramount.
30:59
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And at the time, they probably just assumed
31:01
Speaker 1: that the sweater belonged to David. They never would have
31:04
Speaker 1: guessed that it belonged to another individual and become a
31:06
Speaker 1: key piece of evidence in the crime. So there was
31:09
Speaker 1: a sad PostScript to this story because when the police
31:12
Speaker 1: went to David's house to inform Greta that he had
31:15
Speaker 1: been murdered, she collapsed and went into a state of shock,
31:18
Speaker 1: and this reaction caused complications with her pregnancy, and the
31:21
Speaker 1: baby wound up being stillborn and she never went on
31:24
Speaker 1: to have any children.
31:26
Speaker 3: Oh.
31:26
Speaker 2: I literally feel sick. It's so horrific. I have no words.
31:32
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry for what Greta had to experience. To
31:35
Speaker 2: lose the person that you love, and Greta at her age,
31:39
Speaker 2: I mean, any pregnancy past the age of thirty five
31:42
Speaker 2: is considered a geriatric pregnancy and can be wrought with complications.
31:47
Speaker 2: So the fact that she was seeming to be doing
31:50
Speaker 2: quite well and everything was going fine, and I'm sure
31:53
Speaker 2: that she was looking so forward into bringing this little
31:56
Speaker 2: human into the world and to have her husband take
32:00
Speaker 2: away from her, and then to lose her baby and
32:03
Speaker 2: then likely not have a chance to have another one.
32:06
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that she couldn't, but just the
32:08
Speaker 2: probability is so much lower at her age. It's just
32:12
Speaker 2: so freaking sad.
32:14
Speaker 1: It is, yeah, like it's bad enough to have your
32:16
Speaker 1: special someone murdered, but then to lose your child and
32:19
Speaker 1: then also feel that the last interaction I had with
32:21
Speaker 1: him was an argument where we didn't want to have sex,
32:24
Speaker 1: and she might be thinking to herself, well, if I
32:26
Speaker 1: had agreed to have sex, he might not have left
32:28
Speaker 1: and gotten murdered. Shortly thereafter, she actually left the United
32:31
Speaker 1: States and returned to Austria, and she never did get remarried,
32:35
Speaker 1: but for the last couple of years she at least
32:37
Speaker 1: did have a partner that she was with before she
32:40
Speaker 1: died in nineteen seventy seven. But I'm sure she was wondering,
32:43
Speaker 1: like how differently her life would have turned out if
32:46
Speaker 1: David hadn't been murdered.
32:48
Speaker 2: My heart truly goes out to Greta, like what a
32:50
Speaker 2: tragic story. I really hope that she found happiness with
32:54
Speaker 2: her partner and when she returned to Austria, because she
32:57
Speaker 2: deserves it after having to enjoy such trauma. And that
33:01
Speaker 2: is so layered, like losing your baby. Having your baby
33:05
Speaker 2: stillborn would be hard enough, especially since it doesn't sound
33:08
Speaker 2: like she had any other children prior to you or after.
33:12
Speaker 2: So if that was your one opportunity and that was
33:16
Speaker 2: something you've been dreaming about, that is a huge, insurmountable
33:20
Speaker 2: amount of pain that you would experience. And then also
33:24
Speaker 2: to lose a loved one. And like you said, obviously
33:27
Speaker 2: it's not Greta's fault, but we know that people when
33:31
Speaker 2: they're faced with the death of a loved one and
33:33
Speaker 2: they had an interaction that was painful or a fight
33:39
Speaker 2: prior to that person passing away, they're going to go
33:43
Speaker 2: over and over in their head and ruminate on what
33:46
Speaker 2: could they potentially have done differently. Although it doesn't change
33:49
Speaker 2: the outcome, it can become quite torturous for people. So
33:53
Speaker 2: it's so unfortunate that their last interaction and their last
33:58
Speaker 2: time that they spent together was positive.
34:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a sad story all around. So initially
34:06
Speaker 1: the police wondered if David might have picked up a
34:08
Speaker 1: hitchhiker and got murdered by him, because apparently he did
34:11
Speaker 1: have the habit of giving rides to random strangers, because
34:14
Speaker 1: this is the nineteen forties and people felt more safe
34:16
Speaker 1: about this. But they were just having a hard time
34:19
Speaker 1: trying to pinpoint like where he went to begin with, because,
34:22
Speaker 1: like I mentioned, when he ever he went swimming, he
34:24
Speaker 1: would go to a beach house in Santa Monica, but
34:27
Speaker 1: this location was in close proximity to Venice Beach, which
34:31
Speaker 1: is not a place he ordinarly went. I know that
34:34
Speaker 1: Greta said that whenever she went swimming with David, they
34:36
Speaker 1: would go to Santa Monica, and that she had personally
34:39
Speaker 1: never been to Venice Beach and David never took her there,
34:42
Speaker 1: so she wondered, what is he doing in this area
34:44
Speaker 1: to begin with? And even though he was last seen
34:47
Speaker 1: driving a car with a stab wound before he crashed,
34:50
Speaker 1: the investigators were never able to figure out the actual
34:53
Speaker 1: murder scene. They don't know the location that David was
34:55
Speaker 1: at when he was stabbed.
34:57
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if there was any bought in the area
35:00
Speaker 2: that were known places where men could go and meet
35:04
Speaker 2: other men or where you could procure a sex worker.
35:08
Speaker 1: That is a possibility. I mean, it seems likely he
35:11
Speaker 1: was on a beach at some point because of the
35:13
Speaker 1: sand in his shorts, and because they weren't wets, he
35:16
Speaker 1: probably never went into the water, So he may have
35:18
Speaker 1: gone to a beach to procure the services of a
35:21
Speaker 1: man or some sort of sex worker.
35:24
Speaker 2: But I just want to add in, like, what if
35:26
Speaker 2: he wanted to appear like he was going for swim
35:30
Speaker 2: or going to the beach, and so he just pulled
35:32
Speaker 2: on a hair of denim shorts that he'd worn to
35:34
Speaker 2: the beach prior and hadn't washed, and so they still
35:38
Speaker 2: had sand in them.
35:40
Speaker 1: That is a possibility because I'm thinking also that if
35:43
Speaker 1: he had wanted to have a secret meet up with
35:45
Speaker 1: someone that was pre planned, he never would have invited
35:47
Speaker 1: Greta to go swimming to begin with, or invited to
35:50
Speaker 1: have sex. And of course, unless he made a phone call,
35:53
Speaker 1: it would be hard for him to arrange to meet
35:56
Speaker 1: someone somewhere. So it makes me wonder if this was
35:58
Speaker 1: the last second decision where maybe he went to the
36:01
Speaker 1: beach and maybe met someone that he was interested in
36:03
Speaker 1: and it was unplanned, but for whatever reason, things escalated
36:07
Speaker 1: into violence.
36:08
Speaker 2: But it is also possible that him asking Greta for
36:12
Speaker 2: sex and to go for a swim was all calculated,
36:15
Speaker 2: like he had already made this plan and his objective
36:20
Speaker 2: was getting her to say no. He probably knew she'd
36:22
Speaker 2: been complaining about how her feet hurt or she was uncomfortable.
36:26
Speaker 2: He knew that she wasn't going to be in the mood,
36:28
Speaker 2: and so he would ask her. She would turn him down,
36:32
Speaker 2: and then he would get angry, blow up, have a fight,
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Speaker 2: and leave, and so he felt like he had some
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Speaker 2: justification for leaving, which he would need to then go
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Speaker 2: meet up with somebody.
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Speaker 1: That is possible he might have known that Greta would
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Speaker 1: react this way and that would give him an out,
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Speaker 1: a reason to leave, and maybe he just had this
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Speaker 1: planned all along. Well. Sure enough, there would be some
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Speaker 1: eyewitness statements from people who claimed that they saw David
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Speaker 1: before his murder. A woman claimed that she passed by
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Speaker 1: his car and say that he had a male passenger
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Speaker 1: who was a dark haired man wearing a suit, which
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Speaker 1: is kind of interesting because a blonde hair was found
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Speaker 1: on the sweater, and of course it doesn't sound like
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Speaker 1: this man was wearing a sweater. And another witness at
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Speaker 1: a gas station about a half mile away claimed that
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Speaker 1: they had seen David pass by with both a man
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Speaker 1: and a woman inside, and that he saw them on
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Speaker 1: two separate occasions. The first time the vehicle was heading
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Speaker 1: in the direction of a beach, and then it returned
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Speaker 1: thirty five minutes later, going in the opposite direction. But
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Speaker 1: of course, by the time David was killed and crashed
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Speaker 1: his car, there was no one else in there, so
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Speaker 1: of course eyewitnesses could be mistaken all the time. But
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Speaker 1: it is interesting that we have one where he's with
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Speaker 1: just a man and one where he's with a man
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Speaker 1: and a woman, and that just opens up so many
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Speaker 1: different possibilities, like could he have been meeting up for
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Speaker 1: sex or could he have met if he was meeting
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Speaker 1: up with a couple, maybe they were swingers or something
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Speaker 1: like that, and we're having some sort of three way
37:53
Speaker 1: and who knows, maybe it could have been like a
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Speaker 1: jealous thing where like David was having an affair with
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Speaker 1: a man or the woman and the other partner got
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Speaker 1: angry and decided to stab him. So, whoever those people
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Speaker 1: were that were in the vehicle with them, they have
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Speaker 1: never been identified.
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Speaker 2: And for the time period too, Like I'm trying to
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Speaker 2: think of, like how would you meet these people aside
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Speaker 2: from going to like a sex club or something or
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Speaker 2: going to a party where you know everybody's a swinger.
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Speaker 2: But I think people would post in newspapers looking for
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Speaker 2: a third or something like that. That would have been
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Speaker 2: a way to communicate those things back then. And I
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Speaker 2: also think that, like we are making the assumption that
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Speaker 2: that sweater with the blonde hairs is tied to David's murder,
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Speaker 2: when if we know that, or if we're going to
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Speaker 2: make the assumption that David was stepping out on Greta,
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Speaker 2: maybe it was something that he did habitually, then that
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Speaker 2: sweater could have been tied to an encounter a week prior,
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Speaker 2: days prior anytime. It doesn't give us a timeline for
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Speaker 2: when that sweater ended up in that vehicle.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that is true, because I'm going to talk about
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Speaker 1: some other details shortly, which suggests that David was having
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Speaker 1: some sort of secret double life and was meeting up
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Speaker 1: with people in the weeks prior to his murders, so
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Speaker 1: it is possible that this sweater was in there on
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Speaker 1: a prior occasion and does not belong to the killer.
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Speaker 1: So that up about brings an end to Part one
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Speaker 1: of our coverage on the murder of David Bacon, So
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Speaker 1: join us next week for part two.
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