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- Pj: Do one to others as they do unto you. And that's a quote from a pretty famous book. Can you guess which one? We're gonna get into it today and a whole lot more on our episode of Walk Talk. Alright, brother. Randy: Do unto others. Pj: As they do unto you. Yes, sir. Randy: Live, how about this, live your best life and if it feels good, just do it. Pj: Right. Might equals right. Randy: Might equals right. Yeah, that's another one. Cause you know, man is just another animal. At least that's what they've been teaching us at school my entire life. Pj: Yep. Right. And guess what? This earth is the only hell and you're living in it right now. Randy: That's right. The only heaven, the only hell there is, is right here on earth. This is the worst it's ever going to get. And you know what? Sometimes, you know, animals are even more noble than humans. We should really, you know, we should really take care of the animals because they more noble than we are. Pj: you Yep. How would you say you align with this? It's a shame, stupidity isn't painful. Randy: Mm. Well, unfortunately, there's a lot of days when I feel like that myself, but you know what I think? I think that just goes to show you something deeper going on in the culture here, brother. Pj: Hmm, what's that? Randy: I think it goes to show you just how deep the satanic bible has influenced our modern culture. Because if you guys haven't picked up on it, these quotes come directly from themes in the satanic bible. Pj: or Anton LeVe himself. Think about it as you maybe ponder on some of the things we said and where you felt yourself aligning with those things being said. It's a crazy thought, right? Randy: Right. So continuing our theme on books that are not in the biblical canon, this one, no one is making the argument that it should be ⁓ in the canon at all. Matter of fact, one of its biggest skepticisms is it was written by its author directly in opposition to the Bible and to Christianity specifically. And as PJ already alluded to, it was written by Anton Pj: at all. Randy: back in 1969. Yeah. Pj: 69. Yep. And I mean, for everybody out there listening, who may be like I was, you know, I very much thought that this was basically like a handbook that would teach you how to worship Satan and summon demons and basically be like a witch or a warlock, you know, along the lines of what you would see in a Hollywood horror, right? That's where I was thinking. But I mean, as we've kind of already shown you, and know Randy and I have talked about in the past, it's really not as many skeletons in closets as you would think. It's a whole lot of basically things and themes that really seem to have seeped into our culture almost equally, if not more so, than the Word of God. Randy: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a really good way to put it. And I think that was honestly the intent ⁓ behind the author and behind the satanic church and pushing it. So today we're going to talk about the satanic Bible. And I think, I think your assumptions is probably what most people would assume when they first hear about it, if they've never read it. I think it's a book that a lot of people think, why would I want to read that? That's something I want to stay away from, but they automatically have these assumptions. that it's going to be about conjuring demons and about doing magic spells and all this kind of crazy stuff. But I did read this book. It's been probably two plus decades since I read it. And I did do a little bit of refresher in the last week or so. And the thing about it is if you've never read the satanic Bible, don't go in expecting to hear a whole lot about how to worship demons or manifest demons. Go in expecting to learn about how human we are and how much we should focus on our flesh and our nature and our self preservation over other people and over anything else. Like that is the most important thing that I took away from it is, you know, it's all about the self. Pj: Right, would tell you, and I didn't read the whole thing. I read a lot of overviews and some snippets here and there. from the Christian perspective, I would say, it really, I did find it helpful because the challenge that I posed, I challenged to myself first, like these little things that I have in my mind where I'm like, man, you know what, listen, I'm doing good enough. I don't need to do that. Or just little areas where I'm like, Well, I definitely don't want to find my thought process being more in alignment with the book of Satan or the satanic Bible than the Bible that is the inspired word of God, man. And it was really like a spirit check in a way, honestly. Randy: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it's good to have that check because we all know there are things that are maybe popular sayings that get attributed to the Bible that are not in the Bible. For example, God helps those who helps themselves, right? That's something that we've all heard and it's not in the Bible. Well, likewise, there are things that come pretty much almost word for word from the satanic Bible that people are running around screaming today. Pj: ⁓ yeah. Randy: as if it's their, their, their mantra. It's their, it's their theme and they may or may not have any inkling that it actually comes from a very dark place. Pj: Absolutely. I mean, one of the craziest things is, you know, the Bible has the golden rule, right? And the satanic Bible twists that rule and says do unto others as they do unto you. And then it goes on to say, you know, if you're trying to do well unto them and they do evil back onto you, then they deserve to have evil back because you know, like it just But here's these things in the similar way Jesus was whenever he was in the wilderness Fasting 40 days and 40 nights and the devil tried to twist scripture and and trick him He knew the Word of God well enough to be like, nope That's not what it says and basically, you know correct that but to the person who who gets what they're like all that I know it's something like that. It sounds similar you may find yourself going in the wrong direction because it was Close but twisted, you know what mean? Randy: Mm-hmm. Right, right. So let's get into a little bit of background on the satanic Bible. So I got some notes here, feel free to jump in wherever you like, but we already kind of mentioned that it was written by Anton Lavey, first published in 1969. Also worth noting that Lavey also founded the Church of Satan in 1966. And this book became its central text. Pj: Yep, and you know that this next part is one of the things that I kind of found interesting because I guess similarly like, know, whenever you're thinking about books like this, I guess you compare them to the Bible and you know, we know that the Bible has, you know, like chapters, you know, you have John ⁓ three chapter three verse sixteen. So I always kind of wondered if it was kind of structured that way. And so I did find it interesting that that this book was divided into its own sections. You know what mean? Randy: Yeah. So it's divided into four different sections, the book of Satan, the book of Lucifer, the book of Belial and the book of Leviathan. And it has essays and aphorisms, ⁓ nine satanic statements, rules, 11 rules of earth and ⁓ ritual instructions, which I don't remember too much about the rituals or what the rituals are intended to do since they're not really Pj: Yes. Randy: They don't really believe they're manifesting demons because there's really kind of this whole spiritual element that's missing from the the satanic Bible and the Church of Satan because they don't really believe That Satan is the actual being so they're looking for you know They're looking at these different demons that I just mentioned in terms of these books as like attitudes or sins that they want to commit ⁓ more than actual demons Pj: Right, And I guess from what I remember just like looking into it, you know, they're using like rituals there, not in the way of like, we're like, ⁓ that must be where I got it from. They do in seances. I mean, I guess from my understanding, it would almost be like the equivalent of thinking about, you know, sacrifices in the Bible, like the way they just went about it, not like trying to like summon something, but like, hey, look, this is a practice. This is the way we follow that practice. Randy: Yeah. think that's a good way to put it because you know, ritual doesn't have to be doesn't have to have a religious context. We do rituals in the military, right? Just as part of like the drills that are performed, whether we're talking about, you know, ⁓ you know, promoting a soldier, or inducting soldiers or you know, various different things have rituals, right? Even just like the changing of the guard, right? Yeah. Pj: Graduating high school is a ritual. You know what mean? So Randy: So some of the philosophical influences, it says it draws from thinkers like Friedrich Nietzsche, especially on individualism and a anti-Christian critique. If you ever read any Nietzsche, know that he's very anti-Christian. He focuses more on the Uberman versus ⁓ being humble and self-sacrificing, ⁓ which is partly where the Nazis got a lot of their philosophy from. So there are some similarities there. It also incorporates similar ideas from Ayn Rand, especially around self-interest and egotism. And then the book of Satan is partly adapted from some earlier material. It says often noted in scholarship as influenced by Ragnar Redbeard's might is right. type of Satanism it represents. So it represents a lave Satanism, which is atheistic and it's symbolic and philosophical. again, they would never say that they are worshiping a satanic being. They would say that they are not really worshiping anything that they're, you know, they're very much focused on materialism and you know, doing what they have to do to survive in this earth and feeding the things that feel good to them and get them more power and prestige. and not actually worshiping any kind of satanic being. But I don't know about you, man, but I've always heard that the greatest trick of the devil is ⁓ convincing the world he doesn't exist, right? So maybe that's the best way to worship him. Pj: Yeah, man. And you know, another thing that I found interesting, like kind of looking into this ⁓ is, you you think about the church, the different denominations. It also seems like there's a lot of that going on on this other end, too. You know, you have certain sex or that believe that they're, you know, like you said, some believe like Satan is an actual person or he's not or some people You know, and I mean, I guess whenever you're on the other side looking into all these things, you know, we kind of lump them together ⁓ with, I mean, a million different things. ⁓ And yeah, man, it's it's wild. It's it's a lot deeper than than than we think. And I think, you know, people a lot of times will make the argument, you know, that basically, you know, Randy: Right. Pj: The devil knows the Word of God, you know, he probably knows the Bible them better than most Christians and things like that and You know in some instances man, it's like, you know Absolutely prioritize familiarizing yourself with the Word of God But I do think it is important to understand the other side to it, you know, it's like if they're gonna study What we believe we should at least have an somewhat of an idea of what they believe in and what that looks like You know, I mean just to protect yourself Randy: Mm-hmm. Right, right. Yeah, I agree. And I would say I've heard it said by several pastors over my life that the best thing to do, you know, they always use the analogy that the Secret Service doesn't find counterfeit bills by studying counterfeits. They do it by studying the real thing, and then they're able to better identify counterfeits. However, I do think that studying and understanding the methods of creating counterfeits is helpful for someone who's trying to uncover counterfeits, right? So I think that applies here as well. Like obviously we want to study the word of God. We want to understand the truth. But also like you're saying, like having a little bit of an idea about how the other side might twist that truth, at least will prepare us for when it happens to us. Pj: Yep, absolutely. you know, because, you know, kind of going back to you saying, you know, what was the quote that you use, God will help those who help themselves. Like, there's so many of those things that are linked to the Bible. People think that are from the Bible that are linked to these other ideologies, and they don't even realize it. One of the first things, man, that I kind of caught myself saying, and it sounds Randy: Yeah. Right, right. Pj: foolish now looking back, but like, you know, I guess whenever I was more of, guess what people would call baby Christian, you know, I still kind of felt myself thinking about and throwing around the concept of karma and they're like, you know, that's, that's a whole nother religion there, brother. Like you can't, can't believe in, you know. Randy: Mmm. Well, it's it's one of those things too. I mean, the Bible does talk about what a man sows, he will reaps, which does sound similar to karma. And yeah. And it's like, I think one side you're thinking of something very practical where it's like, yeah, if I treat a bunch of people like dirt and people are to treat me like dirt, that's not some magical force. That's just common sense. Right. And you could call that karma, but in reality, it's a lot more practical than that. Pj: Emily, right. Mm-hmm. Right, right, right. Right. Yeah, but I think about it because there are so many similarities that are pretty close but have completely different, you know, meanings. It kind of reminds me of that snake. I think one's like a coral snake or it's a little black snake with, depending on the variation of the red and yellow stripes, one's deadly and the other one tends to look like it. So if you only catch a part of that and you think every snake you see like that is Randy: Right. Yeah. Pj: non-poisonous because and then you go to grab it and you get bit. I think about it in that same kind of concept. Man, you're like, hey, this kind of seems right. I'm just going to go with that. You're dancing with danger and you don't even realize. Randy: Right, Well, yeah. Right, right. So let's keep going. So there was a few of the things just on the satanic Bible. So it says that, ⁓ let's see, ⁓ it is used within the Church of Satan. It functions as a foundational text, not a scripture in the traditional sense, but it used to communicate philosophy rather than an established doctrine. ⁓ In the satanic panic of the 80s and 90s, it was often misunderstood and incorrectly linked to criminal activity during the satanic panic. No evidence ever tied the book itself to organized crime. But let me just say this about that. Like, I don't think you're going to see anything in a satanic Bible that says, go and commit a murder or go or commit a crime, but you are going to see things in there that says basically, you know, might is right. Do what you feel like you need to do. Pj: . Randy: If someone is spiteful to you, be spiteful to them. It's gonna create, in my opinion, attitudes and mindsets that is going to lead to more crime, more so than teaching someone like, turn the other cheek. You slap me, I turn the other cheek, and I don't hit you back, right? In other words, one philosophy the Bible teaches that you take offense without giving it. This satanic Bible teaches that you give offense in return. Pj: Yeah, 100 % and and I do matter matter of fact there there is a teaching from the satanic Bible that says hate your enemies with their whole heart and if a man smites you on one cheek smash him on the other, know, I mean so in smash him on the other so 100 % so direct correlation to to going against what Jesus said but man, you know I know I was young but I do kind of remember that that time where that people were like, you know in this uproar like that's why they they were afraid of Randy: Yeah, smash it. Like take it up a level. Pj: games like Dungeons and Dragons and thought it was, you know, cult. But I guess my point in saying that was in those times, everybody, you know, these things were happening. And instead of looking into this book, they're like, ⁓ I'm not reading that. It's about the devil. So they're uninformed about what's even going on there. But it caused this fear and this panic. And they just outlashed, ⁓ you know, there was this, just freaked out about it. You know what mean? It was a big deal. Randy: Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let me just say this in response to that, because this, I'll be honest, man, this is an area and I'm not talking to anyone who's listening right now. I'm just talking to just you, man. Just, this is just a conversation between two brothers here. I do struggle a little bit, you know, myself with reading books like this, or even digging into like the book of Enoch or the book of Jubilees, like we have been discussing recently, because I think on the one hand, I think, well, You know, the Bible says that we're supposed to be, you know, as wise as serpents and as gentle as doves, right? But then on the other hand, it says that we're supposed to, you know, accept the kingdom of God like little children, right? Like, and so I'm torn between like, how deep do I dig into some of this stuff versus how much do I just say, you know what, I'm just going to have faith. and I'm just gonna let the Spirit of God lead me because I do have this curiosity and I do wanna know, I wanna know the tactics of the enemy and I do wanna know the promises of God and I wanna make sure that I know as much of that as possible by reading some of these other books that maybe are not exactly considered canon but are right alongside the canon. like I said, again, I kinda struggle because I'm like, man, am I not being... Am I not accepting the kingdom as a little child? Am I not being, you know, as gentle as a dove when I'm digging into some of this stuff? I don't know. Pj: Okay, man, you know, I can see that and I've felt similar, but I guess I think about it like this, man. It's like, you know, why can't just anybody be like a psychologist, right? Because you have to study and understand a thing in order to be able to help somebody else out. And so it's like in the spirit of in a way, like maybe meeting people where they are. Randy: Right, right. Pj: You know, it's like if you understand the ideals that that somebody's structured their belief system around well enough to where you can kind of maybe talk them through those and expose some of the weaknesses there in order to maybe lead them out. Then I think, you know, you have a better chance of bringing them to salvation. Whereas if you're just like, listen, man, the devil's wrong. God is right. And that's your argument where it starts and stops. And it's like, you know, it Randy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Pj: it's going to fall on deaf ears. just like anything else, people are more likely to engage with somebody that they feel like knows or understands where they're at least coming from. You know what mean? Randy: Yeah. Right. And it doesn't mean we need to be an expert and we're reading it every day or anything. It just means we have a cursory understanding and you know, it helps us to be more relatable. I hear what you're saying. Yeah. Pj: No. 100%. If you have a good foundational knowledge of the Bible, you know what mean? And you've read it and you spend your time in God's Word and you say, in addition to, I'm going to check out these other things, I don't see nothing wrong with that. Now, if you're not prioritizing time to get into the Word of God, and you're doing all these things, I would say maybe pray about that and reevaluate. You know what I mean? It's like, so. Randy: Right, right. Right, right. Okay, so some other facts. So there were some criticism and controversy. I touched on this a little bit. Criticized by Christians and other religious groups because it promotes egoism and anti-Christian values, criticized by scholars for lack of originality in some sections and criticized even within other occult circles for being more philosophy than mysticism. So the occult world is saying, like this looks more like a philosophy than any kind of mysticism. And they're all about the mysticism. Pj: which was kind of brilliant in the way of it's like, I don't know if any of this was inspired by the devil himself, whatever, or, or my tasma or what would we my stem. Yeah. So I don't know if it was, if he collaborated on this, but man, I'll tell you, it's, is the smartest way in my opinion from Randy: Mmm. Yeah. my my stemmer yeah Pj: the outside looking in to to really gain traction. You know what mean? Because I think that if it was just don't get me wrong, I do know that there are people out there that want to stick out. I mean, they do all these different things to to give off this this evil persona, if you will. You know, I've seen people who got horn implants and they die their eyes black and all these things. And so for your your average person who is just, you know, Randy: Right. Mmm. Pj: trying to stay on that proverbial fence like we've talked about like, yeah, I'm not going to get into the God thing. I'm not going to get into the devil thing. I'm just going to stand my ground. And you know, they would, they would still stay, even if they have a problem with Christianity, they're, they're going to stay away from the dude who has horn implants and black eyes, but they're going to listen to somebody all day long that says, look, man, you know what? Hey, you deserve that. If you were, you did this, you know what? Go indulge yourself. Randy: Right. Pj: you know, treat yourself, you know, like live your best life. Like who doesn't like, man, thank you. Like thanks for giving me permission to like, you know, give, give my just, you know, take pamper myself a little bit and not knowing that that's really like the devil doesn't have to convince you, uh, you know, to even necessarily follow him. He just has to distract you from following God. You know what I mean? So it's wild. Randy: Right, yeah. Mm hmm. That's a good that's a good point. You say that one more time and that last piece there. That's really that's really good. Pj: I said the devil doesn't have to convince you to follow him, he just has to distract you enough from following God. Randy: Man, that's it. you're watching this today, like that's it. I mean, we can just drop the mic right there because literally like, I don't know if you're going to get anything better than that from the rest of this conversation. We want you to keep listening, but man, that was good. That was good preaching right there, brother. All right. So let's see. The last thing I had was modern relevance, still cited in discussions of individualism, secularism, and alternative spirituality and influences modern ⁓ Satanist groups. Pj: Thanks. Randy: though many, and here's some other groups I want to get into, ⁓ for example, the Satanic Temple, reinterpret or diverge from Leve's idea. So there's this the Satanic Church or the Church of Satan, which uses the Satanic Bible, but then there's other groups, other occult groups. One of them is the Satanic Temple. I believe that was the group that put the Baphomet statue in the Capitol building in Chicago, if I remember correctly. Pj: I think, I think so. Randy: Yeah, so there's other groups out there who don't necessarily, they claim to worship Satan or they're some sort of Satanic group, Luciferian group that don't necessarily use the Satanic Bible even because they see it as too philosophical. Pj: Yeah. And look, man, here's the crazy thing. I know that the statue of Baphomet is pretty popular. It gets used a lot. Like I've seen it in multiple places, movies, TV shows, you know, they put it in buildings and stuff like that. But the craziest thing that again, these little similarities that are easy to miss the cue. I was watching something one day and I guess they were showing like the Grammys and they showed like a like multiple people accepting this award and just saying, just want to praise and give thanks to the most high and they'll throw their fingers up and you you're not catching it. You hear the most high for somebody like myself. I'm thinking God, but they never clarify who their most high is because that's a phrase that they use refers to Baphomet. And so Baphomet, guess, has fingers up and fingers pointed down and has a goat head and like female breasts and like, I don't know. It's a weird statue, I'm sure. Randy: Mmm. Mm-hmm. Interesting. it's definitely has like mixed gender like body parts right the statue it's got some things going on Pj: 100%. Right. But the most notable thing is you'll see, like I said, there's fingers pointing up and fingers pointing down from what I understand that stands for as above, so below kind of thing. I'm not 100 % on that, but something along those lines. But it's just crazy because they showed so many people, like these well-known artists who, you know, there's all these stigmas about, they sold their souls to the devil for this fame and this wealth and blah, blah. And so it was a crazy thing how many people... Randy: Interesting. Pj: Praise to the Most High and I'm thinking ⁓ wow, they're thanking God, but they're not and they're doing it right in front of us But it's just it sounds like something we know and we you know it so instead of saying praise to the Most High God They'll just say praise to the Most High which is the way with this symbol apparently is talking towards Baphomet And so I was just like man. This is so wild. You know what mean? Randy: Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, you're making me think of some of these other occult groups because when I think about my understanding of the satanic church and how they interpret the satanic Bible, the fact that they seem to see it more as a philosophy than like ⁓ mysticism tells me that the people that you're mentioning that are throwing up their dog whistles, you know, doing the two fingers and saying things. They're probably not doing that for the satanic church. It may be for the satanic temple or some other occult group that actually takes this stuff more seriously. Because what I read was that the satanic temple, it's kind of split. Like some of them actually are more on the satanic church side. Where do you think of it more as like a philosophy and as a ritual system, way of life. Whereas the other side of the satanic temple. They actually believe they're worshiping demons. They actually believe they're worshiping Satan. They actually believe they get power from this. And they are going into this knowing what they're doing. And I think what you're talking about would probably fall more on that side within that satanic temple. Pj: Yes. Yes. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Agreed. Randy: And there's other occult groups too. So let me just jump to that next because there was a few groups. Well, there's a whole list of occult groups that come up, ⁓ but of the different occult groups, and I won't read through the whole list here, but I mean, ⁓ there's quite a few. hermeticism was one, ⁓ Thelema, Kabbalah came up, Tarot reading, Wicca, Voodoo, Santeria. Luciferianism, chaos magic, these were all different groups that came up. I'm not going to really get into, you know, like defining much of these, but of those different groups that would be considered like occult groups, Voodoo, Santeria, Kabbalah and Wicca, all are groups that are considered like occult groups. And then like I mentioned earlier, partially not, not a hundred percent, but partially the Satanic temple would fall into this category of groups that actually believe in spiritual entities. Pj: All Randy: or some sort of forces that they're worshiping, that they're not just saying, we're promoting a anti-Christian philosophy. They actually believe that they're conjuring demons. Pj: 100 % and you know, being from Louisiana as well, like voodoo is like second nature. I mean, you just grow up hearing about it and and we know, mean, you know, voodoo, I would say, is one of those things that you see the theatrics of in TV, but it's not too far off from from how a lot of it goes. You know what I mean? And but yeah, and it's funny, man, like, you know how how a lot of this stuff is sprinkled out through the culture. Randy: Right. Yeah. Pj: in seeing that that's Santeria, you know, the crazy thing was the first thing that came to mind was an old Sublime song that I used to listen to. And I was like, I think that's the name of it. I don't practice Santeria. I ain't got no crystal ball. And I was like, they're telling you right here. Like, again, it's always it's always just like right in your face. you know, wow. Randy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So, so voodoo, let's see. It says that's a, ⁓ syncretic religion, blending African traditions with Christianity centered on honoring spirits, the Iowa ancestors and ritual ritual practices for guiding, healing and community life. It definitely doesn't mention the whole, ⁓ you know, ⁓ harming your enemies part of it with the dolls and whatnot, but we know that that's part of it. Yeah. Pj: Yeah. That's the fine print. That's the fine print. Randy: Santeria says it's a religion combining Yoruba beliefs with Catholic elements, sounds similar to Voodoo, focused on devotion to deities called Aurishas, ritual offerings and maintaining balance with spiritual forces. And if you're listening to this and you're one of the practitioners of Voodoo or Santeria and we're butchering a definition, just leave it in the comments. Let us know where we're getting off base here. Pj: Yeah. Yeah. Randy: Kabbalah, that one is, you know, think that's part of like Judaism, right? Yeah, a form of Jewish mysticism that seeks to understand God and creation through symbols and systems. It's very esoteric. It's very esoteric. Pj: Here's one that might be a little offensive, I mean, astrology, guys, astrology. People who are very much like, I'm a Sagittarius, I'm a this or that, like, just know that's also an occult way of thinking, you know what I mean? Like, thinking that the planet, Randy: Mmm. Pj: positions can predict futures and the horoscopes and tell you about yourself and all these things like Just be careful with those things that that's another thing that you know, it's like We don't always connect all the dots, you know what I mean and see how how much of these other again these other like Religious ways of thinking or integrate it with our everyday life, you know what mean? Because it's it's just it's we It's just gotten so muddy and so murky and just it's just what we're used to. You know what mean? And you can't you can't stop doing what you don't know that you're doing in a sense. You know what mean? So again, I think that that's where going back to understanding some of this stuff is important, you know. Randy: Yeah. And I forget what verse it is in the Bible, but when I think about like astrology, like you mentioned, I think there actually is a Bible verse that talks about like, you know, God put the stars and the planets and things in place and the seasons for, you know, I forget exactly how it tells it, but, for us to like, you know, I don't know, to tell a story or something, right. And there's definitely something there. And we got into a little tiny bit of it with, ⁓ Pj: All right. Randy: you know, our discussion on Jubilees and even Enoch. But again, it's one of those things like we mentioned early on where like, God said something in place for a purpose and then the devil twisted and makes it into something different to distract us. Pj: Yep. And people start worshiping the creation instead of the creator, man. And it's crazy. It's crazy because, like you think about some of the gods that people worship were like the god of the sun or the god of the, you know, this, that, the other. And it's funny, man, because at church just the other night, it was cool because we were talking about Elisha and, know, or excuse me, Elijah. And ⁓ whenever he went and confronted, ⁓ you know, Ahab and Jezebel, Randy: Yeah. Pj: And or a have first and he and you know, people were worshiping bail at that time and he had joined that you know that pocket because of Jezebel and and you know Elijah tells him like it's not gonna rain again until I say so and and so we were kind of deep diving into that that that God's purpose behind having Elijah do that saying hey, we're not gonna rain is because Bail was a god of fertility and prosperity, right? And so they're like guess what? Randy: Mm-hmm. Pj: Without rain, nothing's gonna prosper. so it was just basically like, I'm gonna, y'all worshiping this bill because y'all think that he brings the rain, I'm gonna stop it. And he stopped it for three years. You know what mean? Randy: Right. Right. And the whole showdown on the on the mountain between Elisha and the prophets of bail was basically, you know, on Bales territory, invoking both their gods to do what Bale was supposed to be in charge of. And yet he doesn't show up. And you want to talk about taunting. There was a very famous ⁓ exchange with some tweets between a president and a very prominent news personality recently where Pj: end of Yeah. Randy: The news personality says that you shouldn't make fun of other people's religions. Well, guess what? Elijah was making fun of some other people's religions. Pj: Yeah, he said, ⁓ what is Bill too busy? Did he fall asleep? Like, I'm like, dang, man. Yeah. Yeah. Randy: Yeah, yeah. Is his pants covering his feet? In other words, like, is he on the john? Like, you know, like, what? Yeah, exactly. Okay, so let's get back into some of the things that the Satanic Bible does talk about, because I have a list of some quotes here. Alright, so ⁓ one quote. on the topic of self interest over self denial, ⁓ an actual quote, and again, it's I don't know what book this is from. I know we talked about it's broken into different books. I just got page numbers here in case anyone wants to go read it. It says Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence on page 25. And it says life is the great indulgence. Death is the great abstinence on page 92. Pj: ⁓ Crazy bro. Well, and then so, you know, it's crazy because I was looking up some of the the the most famous quotes that I Could find in the satanic Bible and man as I was like looking into it. I'm sitting here thinking like hmm like It's just it's so wild. So, you know Again, and I guess maybe it's just because I hear a lot of this stuff echoed so loudly, you know all over the place now and Randy: Mm-hmm. Pj: Anyways, so one of the quotes says that love is one of the most intense feelings felt by man and another is hate. Forcing yourself to feel indiscriminate love is very unnatural. If you try to love everyone, you only lessen your feelings for those who deserve your love. And repressed hatred can lead to many physical and emotional ailments. By learning to release your hatred towards those who deserve it, you cleanse yourself of these malignant emotions Randy: Mmm. Pj: and need not take your pent up hatred out on your loved ones. Now if you just hear that, it's not it. No, sir. This just this just says Anton LaVeda Satanic Bible. I'm sorry. Randy: Did you have a page number for that by the way? Okay. Well, before I let you finish, but before you do finish, I just want to say that sounds like something I might hear like at a therapy session or something. Pj: 100 % like that that sounds to me like something yeah, like it and you could take that and and rationalize it right you can be like listen do Do I want to take my pent-up hatred out on my loved ones? No, they don't deserve it You know what mean? So it's like so go release it and it's like, you know again, it's just these day I was reading and I'm like, you know and then so this part this the only part that kind of gave me pause I guess or one of the main parts should I say not the only Randy: Yeah, no, that sounds very rational. Yeah. Pj: But it says, you try to love every, well, no, excuse me, forcing yourself to feel indiscriminate love is very unnatural. So then I stopped and I'm like, okay, well, what is undiscriminate love look like? And so I guess I thought about it like this. And I think we've kind of talked about this in some of our earlier episodes, but it's like, you know, I love my kids. I've raised them, I've known them their whole lives, and I'm very protective of them. Randy: Mm. Mm-hmm. Pj: Now if something were to happen to another man's kids, I would very much empathize and feel sad about it. But not like I would for my kids, if it was my kids. So I felt like that's a discriminant love. And it's like, who can't relate to that? Of course you're to love the kids that are your begotten kids or whatever. You're immediate more than everybody else. I guess the Randy: Right, right, right. Pj: idea that the Bible tells us that we are to just love everyone. But then again, even in that, like, was there... I wouldn't call it indiscriminate love or discriminant love, but we know that Jesus was closer to some of his disciples than he was to other ones. Maybe he didn't love them more? maybe... You know what mean? So it's one of those things where, again, Randy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Pj: If you just read this and you don't know where it comes from, you could take this advice and apply it to your life and run with it, not knowing that the ideals you're holding are completely against what you would believe if you call yourself a follower of Christ. Man, it's wild. Randy: Right, right. Yeah. And let me just say, I think that that particular quote too, so your point is very valid. Like, you know, it sounds like something that could very well be good advice that might be coming from a place of, from a positive place, even though we know where it's coming from and it's not in a positive place. ⁓ but I would say that there's like an underlying assumption even in that quote. Cause you, could you read that quote one more time for me? Pj: Yeah, so it says, love is one of the most intense feelings felt by man. Another is hate. Forcing yourself to feel indiscriminate love is very unnatural. Randy: Okay, stop right there. So even when I hear that phrase, forcing yourself to feel indiscriminate love, like to me, I feel like there's an assumption even in that statement that that's all love is, is a feeling. That love is not a choice. Love is not an action. That love is not God, you know, that God, because we know that God is love. And so like to me, like there's like this, there's this whole argument that's not being had there. Pj: Mm-hmm. Over there, right, Is love, yep. Randy: where yes, of course, the feelings are going to vary from purse because of the relationship and how you relate to the person, your feelings going to vary. But, but our commandment is not to go out and have feelings for people. Our commandment is to go out and love people. And we, so we know that there's like an action to that, which it seems like this is kind of twisting a little bit. And I would expect it to. Pj: Right, right. Thank Yeah, yeah, but I mean Yeah, 100 % but that's the thing. It's like man unless you are Being really guarded with with like these these I mean these these kind of ideas can plant seeds in you the same way you know the word of God could be planted into the unbeliever man and and it's crazy because you know, ultimately it's it's almost like you have a at least a similar level of things happening in you right because whenever you get Randy: Yeah. Pj: ⁓ Seeds like this planet didn't guess what they're grown in in your flesh soil You don't mean and those things can start to root and manifest in the same way that you know They do as far as the Holy Spirit is concerned, man Randy: Yeah, that's true. Yeah. So I got a couple more quotes too. ⁓ let's see here. ⁓ Satan represents man as just another animal. That was page 25. ⁓ Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates. Page 25 as well. Sounds very similar to what you just were talking about. And then there is no heaven of glory bright and there is no hell where sinners rose. That's on page 33. So very, very blatantly right there coming out and contradicting the Bible and saying things that are obviously like the exact opposite. Like it's just flat out saying there is no heaven, there is no hell. This is it. It's just this earth. Pj: Right. So again, these are it don't have references. This this is just from ⁓ it's called Goodreads and it's the satanic Bible quotes. ⁓ But man, so I can again, I can see this in like some, you know, ⁓ self help group or whatever. This quote says, I break away from all conventions that do not lead to my earthly success and happiness. Dude, I mean, you know, Randy: Mm. Mmm. Pj: Or this this one Randy: Well, think let me just say something to that verse. How does that verse sound in comparison to put aside everything that so easily entangles you? That verse is talking about like chasing after like the kingdom of God and sacrificing yourself and saying, put everything else aside. This is talking about here on earth. Pj: And this one. Yeah, and this is basically saying anything that stops you from experiencing earthly success and happiness, any convention that does that, disassociate. Yeah. Yeah. Integrity. Anything. Well, and then it follows it up with something like this. There is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes like the wooden idols of long ago. Randy: So your faith, your morality, your love, your relationship with God, with Christ, yeah, exactly. Sacrifice it if it means that you'll get ahead. Pj: They are a work of human hands and what man has made, man can destroy. You what mean? I can see how you make this comparison to moral code being broken to like, oh, the idea of breaking these wooden idols made by men. And I can see a part of you saying, well, I agree with that. We should be. We have destroyed many idols. You know what mean? We destroyed the golden calf. We did all these things. But making this correlation to maybe questioning your moral codes. Randy: Right, right. Yeah. Pj: maybe they aren't inherently sacred, you know what mean? Maybe because the moral codes that we have today don't match the moral codes that they had a thousand years ago and maybe it won't match the ones. So it's like, I don't know, it's wild. Randy: You know, I used to years ago, I used to like to listen to a lot of debates between Christian and atheist, know, specifically like some of the atheists like Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins, the people who are very much like focused on materialism and really believed in evolution and things like that. And undoubtedly, you know, anytime this conversation would come up. they would start to talk about, you know, moral law and moral codes and, things like this. And, and where did that kind of stuff come from? Because if we do live in a God and in a universe without a God, then your moral law is just as good as mine. And I'm no one to say that yours is worse or better than mine. And ultimately you start to get in this conversation around where, well, If evolution is true, well, why did we evolve to a point to where we even came up with a religion or this, the idea of a deity that's, that's, that's more powerful and bigger than us, or why did we even evolve to a point where we have any kind of moral codes? Why isn't it just all free for all and might equals rights and all of this kind of stuff? And, and usually to be honest with you, the answers and you could go back and look. at any of these debates are all still online. Usually the answer from the materialist, the atheist sounds very similar to what you just read. It's basically like, hey, we got these laws and as long as they're helping us out, we're going to follow them. And if they don't help us out, we just push them aside. Not like, yeah, exactly. Or we'll just make some new ones. But like, yeah, if I, I, you know, I'll put out this law that says like, you know, Pj: Okay, we'll start. make some new ones. Yeah. Randy: ⁓ you know, Hey, it's, it's, it's wrong to sleep with another man's wife because I don't want no one sleeping with my wife. But if I could break this law without anybody knowing about it and spread my scene, then that's okay. I'm going to push that aside. Isn't that essentially what that's saying? And so it just reminded me of those, those debates in the stance that you usually hear from the, the atheist. Pj: Right. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, so I did stumble on this. ⁓ It says ⁓ that the satanic Bible often uses terms like God and Satan interchangeably, except when referring to the concepts of these as views viewed by other religions. says Leve also occasionally uses the term God to refer to other religions, other religions views of gods and Satan or synonyms to refer Randy: interesting. Mmm. Pj: to the idea of God as interpreted by Leveille, Leveillean Satanism. So this is a quote, I guess, from pages 44 to 45. It says, if man insists on externalizing his true self in the form of God, then why fear his true self in fearing God? Why praise his true self in praise, in praising God? Why remain externalized from God in order to engage in ritual and religious ceremonies in his name? Man needs ritual and dogma, but no law states that an externalized God is necessary in order to engage in ritual and ceremony performed in God's name. Could it be that when he closes the gap between himself and God, he sees the demon of pride creeping forth, that very embodiment of Lucifer appearing in its midst? And that's, like I said, pages 44 and 45. And it's like, man, that's... you know, it's crazy because it's basically trying to convince you, I mean, directly to the point that you are God, right? You are the center of your own universe. And man, you know, what's sad is, is I remember, I mean, this was a couple years back, ⁓ our brother Nick, like I'd posted something about, you know, ⁓ trusting God to, you know, ⁓ Randy: Mm. Yeah. Pj: slay Goliath or something. said, no, said something about not fighting Goliath by the God of my own giants, something like that, whatever, just a quote. And our brother Nick was like, man, he's like, you a god yourself, we're all gods or something. I'm like, no, I'm not. No, we're not. But you know, and it's just crazy because all that tells me is like for somebody like our brother Nick, who he's had opportunity to learn the word of God and has turned away from that to this point. Randy: You Pj: You who knows where he's at in his walk now or if things have gotten better. the point is, like, I feel like he was pretty representative of the younger culture and just kind of where their mindset is, you know what mean? And how they do view themselves, you know? Randy: Yeah. Yep. Well, yeah, I mean, and I think men and just go back to what you said at the 22 minute mark, you know, saying doesn't have to make us follow him as long as he just makes us like walk away from God. Like that's the thing. And, know, we're talking about seats, the satanic Bible today and we're in trying to demystify it for a little bit for people, but also like, you know, we've kind of touched on the fact that there are all these other groups and it's like, you know, What better way to lead people away from God than to just, you know, pollute the world with all these false ideas and false religions. And here we are kind of like just, you know, pulling back the veil a little bit on all of them because there is so much confusion out there like this esoteric mysticism that says stuff like we are all gods. And some people try to interpret, you know, I think we talked about this, you know, in a past episode, I think it was ⁓ a Deuteronomy or yeah, I think it was Deuteronomy. ⁓ Pj: 100 % Randy: where Jesus quoted and said, doesn't the scripture say you are God's and people use that they take it totally out of context without understanding what it's talking about. And they try to say, look, Jesus himself said it right there. Is it not written you are all God's and they try to twist it like, like he did. Yep. Yep. Pj: Yep, absolutely man. Happens so often. It's scary, really is. Randy: So I do want to go back a little bit now because you mentioned some things earlier about the dog whistles, the people throwing up the fingers and things like that, the stories of people selling their soul. I generally believe that that kind of stuff does happen. However, I don't generally tie it to the satanic church. And I don't tie it to the satanic Bible because of the reasons we've discussed earlier. They don't, they're more of a philosophy. They don't really believe in general ⁓ of a spiritual realm. They're very much focused on materialism. However, there is a lot of things going on, whether we're talking about, you know, the Epstein files and all the crazy evil stuff that's been going on the, you know, UAP UFO disclosure that I believe is currently happening in the world today. Pj: Mm-hmm. Randy: The people in Hollywood and in the music industry who have come out and tried to tell stories and have some of them have blatantly said, I sold my soul to get to where I'm at. Or other people have told stories of things that they've heard with, you know, know, first or secondhand accounts of people doing something similar. And I do want to say that, you know, this might be a little bit off topic from the satanic Bible. I do believe there is something to all that and that some of these other occult groups are probably more behind that. is this whole, ⁓ you know, this whole list that, you know, we kind of touched on earlier, but there's like this Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. There's this Ordo Templi Orientis, which was what Alistair Crowley was a part of, who was a very evil, demonic person himself. And then there's the Freemasonry, which I, you know, I don't really want to come out and say a whole lot about Freemasonry other than I know that there's a lot of good people who are Freemasons. But I also know there's been a lot of people who have infiltrated the Freemasons and supposedly when they get to the very highest level, they say that they are actually worshiping Satan, Lucifer. Pj: Yeah, man, Luminati, throw them in there. There's a lot of stuff and, you know, people get called, ⁓ you're just crazy. You you believe in all this stuff like, man, listen, we got we got we're living in a time where vice president saying that aliens are actually demons. like at some point you got to you got to stop letting the the wool be pulled over your eyes whenever it's so blatant. And I guess to your point, what I would say is everything that you just mentioned. directly ties to not just the satanic Bible, but just the fact that how much for the average person who, you know, don't want nothing to do with God, like thinking that you're getting yourself out of the way of all the spirituality and all the things going on around you, you are so mistaken. You know what mean? Like all these things, it's all around us, man. And it feels very much like it's starting to bubble up a lot more. And I feel like it's coming to a head, man. It's like a volcano waiting to explode. It's like we're starting to feel the rumblings, man. it's very eye opening to see how, you know, just, mean, we're just using the satanic Bible as, you know, ⁓ an example to scratch the surface of how much these thoughts and ideals and Randy: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Pj: And these other cultures have already infiltrated our society and have made it to the mainstream and is everywhere you look and in everything that you hear. we are a lot of the times we're oblivious to it, man. It's wild. It's wild, wild, wild, you know. Randy: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So you kind of lightly touched on the topic of karma earlier, but let me just say that a lot of these groups, they believe very heavily in karma and karmic justice and that they don't believe in, you know, the judgment seat of God, which, you know, scripture tells us that that's going to be Jesus sitting in the, in the, in the judgment seat and he's not going to judge. those who are his bride, those who have put their hope and faith and trust in him, and they're gonna be separated from the rest of the people who are being judged, essentially. They don't believe in that sort of judgment. They believe in this cosmic, karmic justice where they essentially have to reveal what they're doing. in order to be on the right side of the balancing scale. So when you talk about karma, and then you talk about the fact that it is infiltrated our culture so much, I think a big part of that, at least from my perspective is because of this thing called the revelation of method that that's talked about where essentially they believe because of karma, they have to kind of like come out in the mainstream and tell people what they're doing. And then it's kind of up to us to either pick up on it or not. And I think that's why we see we're seeing more and more of this in our culture because more and more things are happening and therefore they got to put it out there according to their own beliefs. So that way they won't be judged, I guess, if you will, for the bad and the evil that comes out of it. Crazy to think about. Pj: Well, yeah. Well, and I guess from things that I've heard, think it's just part like that. That's part of the ritual. Like that's how you you like level up or something, from what I understand in things that I've heard. You know what mean? And you see these these consistencies with I mean, over these large periods of time with different things happening. And it's crazy because, know, You used to kind of have to really be listening to the subliminals. Like, I mean, you think about it like back in the day. I'm sure you remember whenever people were freaking out like, man, if you play this record backwards, it says the devil is this, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Or, you know, and now like, you know, you know, you got freaking Taylor Swift in an interview like, yeah, I sold my soul to the devil and like nobody bats an eye. You know what mean? Because so. Randy: Yeah, right. Or what's that rapper, the female rapper that says she has ⁓ like a male spirit in her that comes out? Pj: Nicki Minaj, Roman is a yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's dude, there's so many there really is. mean, Beyonce, Jay-Z, like, I mean, it's it's really bad, bro. It really is like and it's it's very like blatant. But I mean, you know, it's like, again, if you're trying not to be spiritual, you just like, I have no idea what that even means. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm not worried about any of that. Randy: Yeah, yeah, I think- Well, yeah, I mean, it's like we know that greater is he who is in us than he who is in the world. But if but if the enemy could prevent him from ever entering, well, then he could fill it with whatever crazy, whichever one of these occult, you know, philosophies or mysticism that, you know, pick, pick your poison, right? Because it doesn't matter to him whether you're worshipping Zeus or Apollo. It's still a demon. Pj: is the world yet. Whatever Randy: It's still a demonic spirit, the demonic entity, right? So still not God. Yeah. That's all that matters, right? The road is narrow, right? Jesus is the way. And if you're not going through Jesus, then it doesn't matter what other way you're not going. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So Pj: Still not God. Yep. Only way. You're not going. Yeah. Yeah, that's why man. And look, I mean, I'll be honest with you, I'd got caught up in that, you know, couple years back, man, where I'm like, man, this makes so much sense to me, like this idea of karma, right? Like, how can we spend eternity in hell or heaven? based off of what we do in a hundred years. like, you know what makes sense to me? You know, it's logical that if I, if I go throughout this life and I'm a serial killer and boom, I'm killing all these people and I get caught and they put me to death, that I come back and in my next life I get killed. So now I understand, right? The scales are balanced there. So then in my next life, like I'm rich and in my next life I'm poor until I've lived all these existence to where I can say, okay, like have I learned? Randy: Mm-hmm. Pj: know my lessons of you know whatever. Like that's really how I used to think and I'm like... Randy: And that's that's very much what the what is it the Buddhist and Hindus believe something very similar, right? Pj: Yeah, yeah, yeah. so and granted, I didn't think that it was Buddhist or Hindu. I'm just like, Whoa, look, you know what, I think I figured this out. I think I came to something that makes me feel better at night. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, 100%. And man, it's so crazy. Like it was it was such an eye opening experience to see the error of my thought process from from pre, you know, ⁓ surrendering. Randy: Right, right. It makes sense to me, therefore it must be true, right? Pj: So. Randy: Yeah, I mean, there's so many different ways that people try to, you know, justify things to themselves and make things make sense. And it's like, it's all written down very plainly for us to see. mean, none of the writers of the New Testament were, you know, aside from Paul, were educated. They're all very simple guys who wrote very simple language. We could go and read the New Testament and understand the truth of the gospel very plainly. ⁓ And so like, You know, we want to make it more complex in this. Again, this goes back to some of the other ideas that we talked about just around faith in general and the gospel in general. We want to make it more complex. We want to say we got to do something. We don't want to accept the fact that the best thing for us to do is to just rest and just to do nothing. We the work has already been done, you know, and on the topic of karma, I heard I've heard several pastors say this, but I think it's worth it's worth mentioning that, you know, I've heard it said by these pastors and I don't know where they got it from, it's, it's, it's, it's probably worth mentioning that, if you're looking for a place where everything is fair, everything is equal. That's hell. If you're looking for a place where, where it's not fair, it's, it's heaven because it's not fair that anyone would go to heaven. You're going to have killers in heaven. You're going to have people who did very bad things. No one in heaven is going to deserve to be there. It's not a place of fairness. Pj: No, absolutely not. Randy: Hell is place where everyone gets exactly what they deserve. It's 100 % fair, 100 % equal. So this whole idea of like karma and cosmic justice and whatnot, it's kind of a moot point because we know where that's gonna lead us. Pj: Yep. Absolutely. You know what? I was just sitting here thinking man. It's so wild like how many people do you know that? Do read the Bible right and they're like man. I'm still trying to figure out What this says like what what does this mean like you know what mean? It's like they read this and and and they they want to they want to be in alignment and they want to be obedient to this word, but there's just like man I'm still trying to understand it And then you have something like this satanic Bible that we just automatically resonate. It's like second nature. even got to try. You're like, ⁓ you know what? That does sound right. Like, it's crazy, right? We understand that, you know, that just it just it just wild, man. It just goes to show you how inherently easy it is for us to be evil. You know, and to your point, how how none of us deserve it, because it doesn't matter how ⁓ good we think we are at the end of the day are. It's easy for us to be confused or tricked or whatever and to be in alignment with evil basically. Randy: Well, you know, on that point, and this is a whole nother podcast we're not going to get into today, but I forget the theologian state stay tuned for the future. There's a theologian who says that that human beings are amphibians. Have you ever heard, heard of that before? So, so an amphibian, you know, like, like a frog, right, is an animal that could either live on the dry land or an animal that could live in the water. And I forget the theologian who says that we are an amphibians because we have this spiritual. Pj: Hey, tune though. No. Randy: nature, we could walk in the spirit, but we also have this fleshly, worldly, physical nature, and we could walk in the physical. So it makes sense that when we would read some verses in our Bible, it's going to resonate with us because it's going to wake up our spirit. And it makes sense that when we read some things in the Satanic Bible, it's going to resonate because it wakes up our flesh. And that's the battle every day, right? The battle every day is, are we going to walk in the flesh today or are we going to walk in the spirit? Pj: Absolutely. Randy: And are we gonna grow in our trust and our relationship with God, or are we gonna just stay stagnant or potentially go backwards? And this, again, like we discussed before, is not a topic about salvation, but just more on how we experience the life of Christ in our daily life. So, and walk it out. And that's what we're here to talk about, our walk. So hopefully this conversation helps demystify Pj: Absolutely and walk it out. Yep. Absolutely good stuff That's right. Randy: a little bit this whole concept of the satanic bible ⁓ and hopefully you know it's a little bit eye-opening to see just how much of it has actually infiltrated our culture so Pj: Absolutely. Yeah, I'd be interested in the comments to maybe hear some of your experiences or thoughts that you kind of heard or would have expected to be in the satanic Bible if any of this caught you off guard like it did us. So yeah, drop some comments. Let us know what you all think. Randy: All right, brother, what do you think? Think that does it? Pj: Another wrap, brother, another wrap. Randy: Alright guys, well hey, thank you all for checking out the show and you know, before you go, leave your favorite verse or your comments or your thoughts in the comments below. God bless. Pj: God bless.