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#40 Paratruther - Operation Ajax & The hidden history of U.S. / Iran relations · The Arterburn Radio Transmission Podcast

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_01: All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Paratrouther episode number 40.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_01: Mr.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: Anderson and I were talking off air, a lot of stuff happening even before, like just leading up to the recording of this episode.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's Sunday, the 15th of March, 2026, which is the Ides of March.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Beware of the Ides of March, folks.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: I got this uh news story in uh just hot off the press that Tucker Carlson is uh being persecuted uh or attempted to be prosecuted by the Justice Department and uh via the CIA for uh talking to Iranians uh being a journalist prior to uh the war.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this is the country in which we live right now, and uh it appears Laura Loomer is uh celebrating.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: I guess she's on her uh little tricycle.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um jinxaw.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: You want to play?
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: Not happy with with Tucker, and uh it is really is the sign of the times, uh, Mr.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: Anderson.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna get into uh not the entire history of Persia.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what did I do all week?
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Got a hundred pages.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't you not know the cult of Mithras, Mr.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: Anderson?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's a very long story.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, we're gonna talk about, and this was uh I got this idea of just talking about the modern history, hidden history, if you will, of the relationship of the United States and Iran.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because the Condoleezza Rice was on some of the surface level, like room temperature IQ networks, and saying, well, Iran has been an enemy of the United States for 47 years.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: We've been at war.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, not exactly.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: And it didn't start in 1979, and uh certainly there were pauses in the relationship.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: We'll get into a little bit of that with not only the uh October surprise, if you want to get into some of the hidden history of the 1980 election and George H.W.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: Bush, but Iran Contra, among other things.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_01: But before we get started, I I wanted to give you a proper introduction.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: Pull this up.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: This is one of my favorites um when Agent Smith is is talking to you.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_01: And it is fine.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_01: We need to get this into a reel on the show because this is this is why a paratrooter continues, folks.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: Why, Mr.
• 2:57
  unknown: Anderson?
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_02: Why do you do it?
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_02: Why get up?
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_02: Let's keep fighting.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_03: Believe you're fighting for something more than your survival?
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_03: Can you tell me what it is?
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_03: Do you even know?
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's a mortgage.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: Is it freedom or truth?
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_03: Perhaps peace.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: Could it be for love?
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_03: Illusions, Mr.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_03: Anderson, vagaries of perception, temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose, and all of them as artificial as the matrix itself.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_03: Although only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_04: Good.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_03: You must be able to see it, Mr.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_03: Anderson.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_03: You must know it by now.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_03: You can't win, it's pointless to keep fighting.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: Keep talking to your head.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: Why, Mr.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: Anderson?
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_04: Why, why do you assist?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Because I choose to uh you chew the woman.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad we have Mr.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: Anderson with us and his brain uh for these episodes.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, more than ever, my friend, uh there's so much noise out there, and I I get so consumed by the commodity prices, gold, silver, all that stuff that I'm myopically uh drawn into every single day for my business.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: But it it it it really is insane times.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, the uh the the Chinese curse may you live in interesting times.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: That it has a lot of weight here.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: And we're watching things unfold, and it's it's more important than ever to take time, step back, see how we got here, what is actually going on.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna talk a little bit.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let me answer why first Iran situation to the best of our ability.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: I I have the answer as to why I want to respond.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's from goodwill hunting, though, right?
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_00: Why'd you choose the wrench?
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh because how do you like them apples?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, because F you, that's why.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, I like that.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: I've always liked that uh that stuck out from Goodwill Hunting, you know.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: Uh poor Matt Damon just sitting there banging out that whole story while Ben Afflack just uh ate Doritos and watched him.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: According to Family Guy, don't forget to put my name on there.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, well, I know you got some notes uh for us, and what did you want to jump into for?
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously, Condoleezza Rice says that the the the the uh relationship, the uh hostility started in 1979 with the taking of uh American hostages, which lasted for 444 days.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: But you can go back much further to intervention in Iran and uh post-World War II.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: What what's on your notes?
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: What do you got for me?
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so preceding that by almost 30 years was uh operation called Operation Ajax, which MI6 and the CIA were involved in.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: And up to that point, um, Iran didn't see the US as you know threats.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_00: We we weren't involved in their foreign diplomacy or anything like that.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: But uh there is a little bit of history that works up to Operation Ajax and why Britain basically got involved and then, like they always do, they got us involved.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so at the turn of the 20th century, the imperial leader in Iran actually granted a British businessman man exclusive uh prospecting rights to their oil.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so that company became known as the Anglo-Iranian oil company and uh later would become known as BP.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_00: Thank goodness, not Exxon, because we know BP cares.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_00: But that worked okay for a while.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but in the early 1950s, Iran kind of entered a crossroads, and the reason they entered acrossroads was because at that point um there was somebody who was elected prime minister in Iran uh named Mohammed uh Mossaday, and he and his National Front Party and Parliament in general um voted to nationalize the oil industry in Iran, because up to that point it had been controlled by the British.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: And that's where the scales started getting tipped, and Britain ended up getting involved in ways it hadn't previously, because Iran wanted more sovereignty.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: So at that time, that the Shah who was in power because they had a Shah, but they also had parliament, so some remnants from the British, no doubt.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: But the Shah's name was uh Muhammad Reza Pahlavi, and he was very, very unpopular because he repressed a lot of the tribes, he confiscated a lot of the privately owned land, and there just wasn't good quality of life, and people started wanting someone to blame, and so they blamed the foreign occupiers, the British.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: So the real referendum came when again this prime minister Mossade was elected in uh 51 and they voted to nationalize the oil industry and basically kick the British out.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: And things didn't get better immediately for Iran after that because they didn't have basically the talent to refine the oil.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: So oil production went down by like a factor of 24.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it went from like 210 million barrels to something like 15 million barrels off the top of my head, something like that.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: It was an extravagant decline in production, which meant they were no longer getting as much money.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: And um, because of that, there was a lot of unrest.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so all these different factions started evolving and grabbing for power.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: And so what one of the factions would have been the faction that supported the Shah, uh Reza Pali.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: Then there was a two-day party, and that was a really sensitive party to keep track of, especially for the US, even though it wasn't involved at that time because they were the communist sympathizers and they wanted more Soviet control in Iran.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's the fundamentalist, the Islamic fundamentalist who wanted, you know, Sharia law and all that.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: And the but the big one, the catch all was the national front.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: And again, that's the one that Mossade, the prime minister, or who was elected the prime minister, what coalition he was a part of.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so it was broad.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: It included leftists, centrists, nationalists.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: It was a catch-all for anybody who really opposed at the top of their list just British influence.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: And they wanted to empower parliament at the expense of the Shah.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: And again, the reason the British were so upset is because they involved as this as a national security thing because they were intimately tied to oil production in Iran, and Iran just said, get out.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's kind of the buildup for Operation Ajax.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I go back, there was a a scene in the movie that HBO did a biopic on Truman, which I it's a great, it's a great film.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: It was done in the 90s after David McCullough uh wrote his book, you know, a famous biography on Truman, which I read while I was um staging in Kuwait, about to go into Iraq.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: And anyway, the the movie has this really interesting scene that always stuck with me.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it has uh, I think at the time it was Secretary of State, this is a guy playing Dean Acheson, and uh it was like 1947, and Truman's having to decide on what to do with the recognition of the state of Israel.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you have to remember, like in World War II, we had the Tehran Conference, you know, that was in the sphere of influence, at least geographically, to the Soviets.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: So we had the the Tehran Conference there with you know uh Stalin, Churchill, and and FDR, which was a big turning point in the war.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: But they're having this conversation, and it just always stuck with me, you know, even as a like a 20-something.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: And I I thought I'm gonna I'm gonna pack that away because there was something they were thinking about at the start of the recognition of the state of Israel.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: One of the major key points was they think that uh this recognition will drive a wedge between Iran and the West.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of the people there that were talking to Truman saying, You just want low gas prices and Jewish blood.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like they were really leaning into him to make this decision.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he stayed out of it for the most part.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's trying to stay out of the pocket of that, you know, just by saying, Well, you won't take yes for an answer.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: He just kept saying, Well, go ahead, you know.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_01: And uh that was a that was a big thing, you know, even in the right after the uh World War II and the aftermath, the lead up uh to to the beginning of the cold war, and I I definitely want to talk a little bit about uh the first Secretary of Defense, James Forrestall.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, you know, according to it's so interesting too, because I did a a search using uh Chat GPT and I asked it a bunch of questions.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's the longest that it's ever taken to give me an answer.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: I've never seen it do this, and then it just showed it searching CIA.gov, searching the Truman Library, and it just showed it searching, searching, because I was asking it about uh the first Secretary of Defense, James Forrestall, who conveniently was uh uh suicided or pushed out of a window at the Design Naval Hospital, something like that, right in 1949.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you brought this up, so we should arrive to the point.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: But first, why it took so long for you to get something back?
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's probably because it had to first download all the files on your hard drive and send it to the FBI.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: They've already got and so it's like they're like, oh, we got to add more file.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: My file's got to be huge at this point.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you you brought this up.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know this, but we're talking about we'll get to Operation Ajax, but James Forrestall, who was the first Secretary of Defense, and actually under his leadership, the Pentagon, the DOD as we know it, was established, right?
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: So this was um 1947, I think, or somewhere like that.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: It was during Truman, and he was suicided on May 22nd, 1949, as you mentioned in Bethesda Naval Hospital.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: And they put some weird, there were some weird things in the room with him.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: He was reading Sophocles's tragedy Ajax, right, and was transcribing the poem Chorus from Ajax, and uh it was all in ballpoint pen.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know where I got that?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to interrupt you, so keep keep your flow, stay right there.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: But so years ago, I was reading a collection of of essays from Gore Vidal, and it he didn't make that connection, but I was just just like driving and listening to these essays from Gore Vidal, and he mentioned that Forrestal was reading Sophocles' Ajax, and I thought, huh, well, that's what the operation was to overthrow Mozadek in 1953.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, obviously, these are a few years later, four years, you know, like whatever.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it's there's this gap, but there's a there's some pragmatism in Forrestal who it doesn't necessarily make him like you know, uh anti-Israel or or whatever or pro-Arab, but he was uh he was looking at the flow of energy and and deals and like the just the grand chessboard in general of of everything related to foreign policy, and he didn't he thought it was a lot of domestic pressure for the recognition of Israel.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: And again, that was the kind of the the idea about the the wedge between Iran and the West, but I always took that with me.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: That that was a really interesting uh I don't think it's a coincidence or something, and I want to read him out a little bit later.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: We can go into what Ajax is about.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, no, I was going to actually okay.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, so it's named after Ajax the Great, who is this renowned kind of Greek hero from the Trojan War.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: He was only second to Achilles, who was his cousin, and he was actually the one who supposedly carried Achilles off the battlefield after he was slain by Paris.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: So after Achilles died, there became this dispute over his armor between Odysseus and Ajax, right?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so there was going to be a these funeral games to decide who would actually get Achilles' armor.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: And you might you probably know the details much better than I do, but high level here.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um basically Athena helped Odyssey Odysseus through um trickery, right, get the get get the armor.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: And um this sent Ajax into a rage because it it was the leaders, um, the Greek leaders who actually awarded the armor to Odysseus, the clever strategist, said it was due to his intelligence, which was more valuable than Ajax's brute strength.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so Ajax said, you know what, I'm just gonna kill you guys.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: But before he was able to do that, Athena intervened again and made him mad.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: This kind of reminded me actually of the Bible and Daniel, when um Daniel is you know being called to Nebuchadnezzar like a third time to decipher another dream.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, I don't think you're gonna like this one, King.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's like you're gonna lose your mind for like a decade.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: But this is a similar thing happened to Ajax.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: So when he thought he was killing these Greek leaders who had awarded the armor of Achilles to Odysseus instead of him, he was actually massacring livestock of herd and cattle.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then after he regained his consciousness and he woke, woke up, he realized he'd killed all this innocent livestock, and he had also you know hurt the people who owned the livestock, and he thought the only way to restore his honor was through suicide, so he killed himself.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so that's that's what Foresaw was reading and transcribing.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's I think it's in direct correlation to the the phrase um whom the gods destroy, they first make mad.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_04: Like insane.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: I think that has like a direct correlation to that.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, he he falls on his sword.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: And because it you know, he chose like he's like deceived in some way, you know, through the actions of Athena, through like he kills the livestock instead of going after his enemies.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: And uh it it it just stuck with me, like the entire like the premise of like the base part of the story of Ajax like flowing into the life of Forrestall, and then right now really and you look at where we are now in 2026, like these decisions that we made in night in the early 1950s have stuck with us.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I was kind of laughing going through this, Tony, and I leave this as an open question to you.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: But if Trump was Ajax in this scenario, and he woke up from this crazy fever dream, how do you think he'd respond?
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: You'd probably what a great honor, what a great honor it was to kill this livestock.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: I killed more livestock than anybody.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: They were no match for my little hand.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: What a great honor.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: I have the best armor.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: I took it, it's golden plate.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's golden.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's a bizarre.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: I saw just off the just uh off the subject a little bit, but I saw the headlines where uh this is let me read antiwar.com really quick.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: This is one of the main Trump says uh US may hit Iran's uh uh island, uh, this uh Karag Island again just for fun.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_01: This is a direct quote.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is 2026, folks.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome, welcome to the tomorrow land that you're living in, the upside down.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so we definitely have uh I driven ourselves mad.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's what Forrestall was supposedly transcribing, but it was all of it was really weird, right?
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Forrestall was basically in charge when Roswell happened in the summer of 47.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: So there's all sort of MJ-12 elements to the story because there's a big whodunit question, right?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: And he was forced to resign and basically institutionalized um by Truman.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: And the the funny thing is his brother was supposed to come to the hospital where he's being kept the day he committed suicide and and take him basically out of captivity, but he committed suicide before, and the cameras were off when this happened, and that's in quotes.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: And what I mean by that is he had a guard who actually he really liked on a personal level, who was watching his room and the floor, but the guard was on leave that night.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh there was a nurse who was in the hospital and she said she heard him screaming.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't think most people scream when they knowingly throw themselves out of a window, but she ran up into his room and said there was broken glass, the the bed was in disarray, there was a razor blade on the ground for some reason, like there might have been a struggle.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: And then the next day when they took photos, everything was tidy.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: The bed was even made.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: And she was she later rescinded her claims, but it wasn't before she was transferred to a hospital in Guam.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this is uh we've done uh some episodes like on 1947, and I believe he was around for that.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's what is his tenure.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh like he's the first Secretary of Defense, and so Truman changed it from the the the war department to the defense department.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: And we changed it back.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that's interesting, right?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_01: So Forestall was the first Secretary of Defense, and Hegseth is the last Secretary of Defense, and then changed over back to the Department of War.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: So interesting, you know, that uh Forrestall was also present for the NSC 68 document when that was 1947, which is the birth of the National.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Security state, which you get uh right after um Roswell, we got um the NSA, the CIA, the Air Force, a whole bunch of other defense initiatives.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: And um you mentioned uh we definitely need to do a show on on Majestic 12 and MJ 12 and and those documents and other things that were um and supposedly you know uh post-Roswell.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: But uh Forrestall was right in the middle of that, and I mean we're making a a bit of a leap, but it's always stuck out in my mind that there's some correlation between Forrestall and then our you know our Middle Eastern foreign policy moving forward, and I just happen to think it's just a gut level that they took something from that, like they took that piece, and maybe it was just uh Sophocles Ajax and named the operation after that.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think you're right.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: I again I had no idea about this until you brought it to my attention, and super interesting.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I think you already touched on a point that I think is important because when Forrestal was in charge and he was Secretary of Defense, there were a couple of things he was openly hostile towards.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: They were very contentious issues for him.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: One was the Soviet Union and fearing, you know, a communist expansion, which makes a lot of sense.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: But alongside with the Secretary of State at this at the time, George Marshall, he strongly opposed the United States helping establish the state of Israel because he feared this would alienate Arab nations that we needed as allies, and they had vital petroleum reserves, as we already commented, not just for us, but our our allies, Britain, namely.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so actually, when he was killed, again, his brother was already traveling.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: He bought the train ticket, he was coming to get his brother that day.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, his brother Henry was.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_00: He thought one of two entities did it.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: He thought it was communists or Israeli sympathizers.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's what he thought.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um but dangerous, very weird.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: And like I said, even the the nurse who kind of broadcast, you know, the details of what she saw the night it happened as somebody who was responding to it immediately, they transferred her to Guam.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's just crazy.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't go to work for NASA?
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: You can't make this stuff up.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Did they find the orange blob?
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: Did the the orange did the orange blob come across the camera on the uh on the feed?
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: Just weird.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: The cameras are always off, aren't they?
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: They're always off.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's uh that's about right.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: So anyway, Ajax, Operation Ajax, Mosadek is overthrown.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: We reinstall, uh, bring back the Shah, who's extremely unpopular.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: So we're all about some democracy, folks.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, just uh just just in case you were wondering, it's all about democracy.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: We overthrow uh the democratically elected leader of Iran and install the Shah.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: And then he has uh some secret police, he has some fascistic behaviors, tyrannical behaviors, and uh this is where you actually get the term blowback.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: This is where this comes from, by the way.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like this is the textbook definition of uh possibly unintended consequences, uh, although I don't know anymore.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh maybe maybe they like this kind of stuff where it's just chaos for the sake of chaos because you can create an even more virulent enemy for yourself, but yeah, and and the funny thing about it too, because I want to get into some of the details of Operation Ajax and what you described, is it was just it wasn't executed well, they had to try it twice, and then the the person in the CIA in charge was a guy named Kermit Rosa Roosevelt, and he is related to Teddy, he's his grandson.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: He also Teddy also had a son named Kermit as well, which was confusing to me at first, but this was his grandson, and um they had to try it twice because it didn't take the first time this operation.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: And Kermit, you know, sent his report later to to Eisenhower, who's president, right?
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_00: And uh Eisenhower says this reads like a dime store novel.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: But the CIA used it as a way to say, look, look at what we did and how successful we were with the little bit of money that you you gave to us, and uh they used it as really um justification to go into other other countries like Cuba and expand their operations.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: But it it was very strange because like you mentioned, it the crux of it is they overthrew somebody who was elected, the prime minister Mossade.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: But after he was elected prime minister, um he got into arguments with the Shah at the time.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think this was in 52, after they had this huge reduction in oil production that I was describing.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: And they had a huge disagreement over who would control the Iranian military.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: And um Mossude wanted that to be under more the control of parliament, and he didn't get his way, and he ended up being forced out and resigned, and they had this five-day uprising, all the people in Iran that were just so upset about it.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then after that uprising, and you know, uh all the things that went into that, the Shah actually reappointed Mossade as prime minister.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but you you hit on a key point too.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: When these things were unfolding, there's a change in leadership in the US, and our diplomacy towards Iran had changed.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it that there were still all these factions, even though he was um basically prime minister again, but he did a couple of things that made him upset some of the Mulas or the religious leaders.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: One of them was Ayatollah Kushani.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: All these guys have similar last names, by the way.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: You look into this, but but in 52, there was a parliamentary election after he had become prime minister again.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and what he did was request emergency powers, and he basically suspended parliament before all the seats were filled, and because of that, he started losing support among all of these people in the National Front and um the Isla Tola Kashini.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: And that's really when Britain and America said, okay, the time is ripe to really intervene here and do this once and for all and get this guy out of here.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that the problem with MI6 was convincing the Americans it was in their interest to do it.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: So Britain, all this up to this point, that they're really just mad about the oil, right?
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: That they think it's affecting their national security, and they have this huge supply line that's been cut off now, right?
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: So they have to convince the CIA it's in their interest to get involved.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: So they don't really talk about the oil, they just say, you know, this guy Mosa Day, he has communist sympathizers, especially in that two-day party I was mentioning.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: So now's the time to get rid of him once and for all.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: And that's when Operation Ajax is born.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, like I mentioned, they they try it the first time in 1953.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so CIA gets involved, Kermit Roosevelt's at the helm, and they just start issuing a lot of propaganda against Mossaday and the National Front Party.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: And eventually the Shah, um, Paul Vay, he ends up uh dismissing Mossaday again, basically, on August 15, 1953, using a CIA drafted decree, but the decree was illegal because parliament didn't approve it.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: So the people who are part of the Imperial Guard who are going to arrest Mossaday and his supporters end up getting arrested by other factions in the military, and it's just this huge cluster, you know what?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: And so that the Shah actually has to go into hiding, he he leaves the country, and the guy who was going to appoint SPM, this guy named Zahidi, stayed in a CIA safe house for like four days, and then the CIA just tried again.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: So, like the only reason I can't even understand how this coup was successful, but they tried a second time with more propaganda.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: They they took Zahidi to like um uh a radio station so he could broadcast that they were in control, and then and the Shah's powers were the ones who were going to be victorious, and he rides in with a bunch of tanks, they kill like 300 people, and then the Shah ends up taking power again, and they arrest Mosade at his home, they put him on house arrest till the day he's he dies because they thought if they killed him, even though they'd convicted him as being a traitor, it would create another uprising, and things just didn't really get better if Iran when they had this dictatorship.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely, yeah.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Just trying to paint the picture because no, I mean you have to.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: This is the genesis of it, and it's again, it's not it's not 47 years ago, folks.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: It goes back way longer, it goes back to at least 1953, and before we had, you know, this is the what uh that is uh six years after the birth of the CIA, yeah, and so it's still fairly new.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's uh out of the OSS and you know, a a new operating system and having a life of its own and carrying on its own policy, and it creates this uh chain of events that you know you go to 53, but then you have to take the timeline where you've got uh the the newly installed Shah of Iran who creates the Savak, which is the secret police, it's uh again it's a fascistic state, um very much uh totalitarian, and uh history has all these examples of when you go in and uh you have this foreign is it perceived as a foreign occupying power.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, people aren't stupid.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: At some level, they're gonna realize that this isn't natural, this isn't organic, this isn't what you know uh my country, you know, where I live, my my culture, this didn't produce this.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: This is this is an intervention, and that's where you get um modern, at least for the the Shia part of it, from Shia Islam, you get this uh radical thect.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: You get the Ayatollahs, you know, you get all of that, you get 1979, you get the the hostages taken, you get 444 days.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's where Hezbollah came from, right?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: It was 1979.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they they had all this, you know, the the military collapsed.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: So there were a lot of guns and a lot of missiles and a lot of other things that all of these different groups took up took um control over, and one was Hezbollah, which means party of God, and that that's what was created out of this in 79.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: It really is uh the origin story of this is shameful, like this uh this intervention that that uh our government took part in and um and orchestrated, and and you know that that's on us at this point.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, have you ever seen the movie Argo with Afleck, you know, where they staged the the movie, you know, that's supposed to be the whole premise that they're gonna film crew and they could get out some of the people that were in the embassy.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I mean my heart goes out to those people, I mean, the people that were left behind, especially after the Iranian revolution, but there's a reason for it, you know, like that was the whole the whole point is that you had the the government of the Shah and you had all the the same kind of stuff that you know Saddam had, you know, Saddam Hussein was backed by um the US and and you have that famous uh video clip that the CNN finally showed Donald Rumsfeld of him shaking hands with Saddam Hussein in the 1980s, and he's like, Isn't that interesting?
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_01: Where did you get that?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he was uh pretty upset about that.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: But we we trained, you know, we used our uh resources to train and help uh the Shah and that government carry out its policies, and it wasn't popular, which is why it collapsed because the the Shah was repressive, he sidelined the the Mula, who was very um popular, Kashini, and uh he was hunting down fundamentalist Islamic groups.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that there was this thing called the White Revolution and the buildup to 779 and the revolution in 1979, which that refers basically to the Shah was forcing secularism or westernization of Iran, and the the people there didn't really want it.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: So things were getting modernized, and all the money they were making from basically their oil agreement with what would become known as BP into the military and modernization, but the average person's life, quality of life didn't get any better.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't fixed, even though they put who they wanted to put in charge, they were still fractured, their entire society, which is what enabled the revolution in 79.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: And the the hostage crisis is kind of funny too.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they actually took hostages in the embassy, U.S.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: Embassy, twice, and the second time is the one that we're all familiar with, the you know, 440 some odd days that they were in captivity, the the U.S.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_00: hostages.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: But that was really in response to the Shah, who had left the country again at this point.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I believe he had cancer and he needed medical treatment.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: And the US was hesitant to provide the treatment because they didn't want any blowback, right?
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: That word you mentioned earlier.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: And Kissinger basically said, Yeah, we we should definitely do this.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: So Kissinger and Rockefeller were giving the thumbs up.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: The medical treatment ended up being conducted in the United States, and boom, you have your hostage crisis in response to that.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: Let's talk a little bit about um the the hostage crisis and and the aftermath.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_01: And we can we can go now.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: We can get to uh the Condoleezza Rice territory where she says, you know, going back 47 years.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: Let's uh let's talk about that in the aftermath.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's um there's a bit of hidden history that I and I learned this a long time ago, and some of it's conspiracy lore, some of it's true.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to really know.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: And you could have, I mean, the audience, you just think for yourself.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, you have the uh 1980 election of uh you know Reagan versus Carter and uh you know George H.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: W.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Bush is the vice presidential candidate on the Republican side under under Reagan.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think Reagan um wanted Bush.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh Bush had called uh Reagan's plan like voodoo economics.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, I never said that.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like you have a recording of him saying it, like a video clip of it's voodoo economics.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: Aggression against Kuwait will not stand.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good big Lebowski uh reference there, my friend.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he uh I remember if you look at the history, like uh you've got uh Gerald Ford, they were gonna bring back Ford, you know, he'd been president after after Nixon, and they were gonna make Ford the vice president or something like that.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I think the Reagan team was was cool with that and they wanted it, but they it got pushed out to to bring in George H.W.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: Bush, who'd been ambassador to China, head of the CIA.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's I I'll tell a story for the audience that maybe you don't know, but I I this was in a book I read.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I want to say it was back, it's like 20 something years ago, but it was a biography of Nixon, and I want to say it's from this book.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: It was called Alone in the White House.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: And uh one of the stories in there was when the about the time that um Nixon was really under pressure for Watergate, uh, they brought in uh George H.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: W.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: Bush and a bunch of others, and and the room got quiet.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: They were discussing policy, and then George H.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: W.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: Bush just piped up and said, Mr.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: President, when do you think you might resign?
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's a real story.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like I I always I just I I read that three times.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_01: I remember when I first uh was just I was sitting in uh my house in Texas and in Rallette.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um I was just reading that and I turned the page back and I go, Did he really say that?
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_01: Or something, something akin to that.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like, Mr.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: President, when are you gonna resign?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um that and we need definitely need to do more on the the background of of George 41, you know, like the there's a skull and bones, all that in the tomb.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, there's so much to unpack with that guy, you know, not tied.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: But some of the his the lore around the 1980 uh election was that this is the October surprise, you know, like there was this visit to uh Iran or to Iranian officials uh by George H.W.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: Bush.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Did you uh did you get any research on that with John Lear?
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: No, but please you go into it, but yeah, it was all very suspicious because the hostages were released basically 20 minutes after Reagan was inaugurated, right?
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: So it's hard to think the CIA wasn't involved, and of course, that's how probably Bush got the nod for VP.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Something like that, and so I I'll let the this is for the audience, and you do your own thinking.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I pulled this up because uh none of this is really verified, but this is the lore, okay?
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: Not established history.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um but it and supposedly in a project camelot interview, John Lear, who was son of the inventor of the Lear jet, John Lear's kind of a staple in conspiracy research.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_01: He had his own uh he wasn't wealthy, by the way.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_01: His dad was, but he was, he didn't, I think he was uh disowned or something at some level, but he was an aviator, had all sorts of had an interesting life.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: You used to get yelled at by Bill Cooper.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, he got yelled at by Bill Cooper a lot.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh John Lear claimed Bush flew to Paris to meet a representative of Khomeini uh was returned by an SR-71 Blackbird.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_01: And that uh Lear's own role involved arms deliveries tied to the arrangement.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_01: So like Lear was involved somehow.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but he claimed that this was like all surrounding the uh the 1980 campaign, and them basically the goal was again, this is the just the speculation was to make sure that the hostage crisis isn't solved during the 80 campaign, right?
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Did you uh did you find anything on that beside I mean I brought up John Lear, but uh that's where you it's you get a bunch of it.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's similar conjecture, it just makes sense, right?
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because Bush used to be director of the the CIA.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he has all of those connections.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: It you know what it reminded me of, Tony?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um why Biden was selected by Obama.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't think a lot of people know this story, but when Obama was running, just in the primaries, the DNC primaries, there was a guy named Larry Sinclair who came forward with allegations that when Obama was an Illinois state senator, Larry Sinclair, who was a homosexual, got in his limousine and the next night met him in the hotel and you know, did crack cocaine and some sexual stuff.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: He was talking about this when Obama was campaigning.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I believe immediately following basically a conference he was having about it in Washington, D.C.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: He was arrested.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: And this guy had been arrested many times for other things, but what was he arrested for and by whom is really the interesting point here.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: So he was immediately arrested when he was bringing attention to this allegation.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: It was an out-of-state warrant from Delaware related to larceny charges.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: Who was Delaware's attorney general?
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: It was Bo Biden.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_00: Bo Biden, yeah.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: So how do you think Biden got the VP tap on the shoulder?
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, kind of makes sense now, doesn't it?
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because Obama didn't like him at all.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_00: But his son helped Obama get rid of this, this guy.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so it reminded me of that, you know, how what kind of role Bush would have played for Reagan in making sure that none of this was resolved before the election for Carter, right?
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's what it just makes sense to me, but it's conjecture.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: No, there has to be some sort of deal made, you know, because uh George H.W.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: Bush, terrible candidate.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like if you look at, and I'm a bit of a nerd here with that kind of stuff, but I followed these things like you know from since I was a kid, and look back on like primary histories and other things, like especially the 1960s and 70s of you know, post Nixon and um he was just not.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: popular you know and then you gotta wonder how these deals are made he's he's made vp and of course we we we could get into um the john hinckley uh you know connection uh the 19 1981 uh right after reagan's inaugurated you know hinckley shoots reagan but uh the the brother of john hinckley was supposed to meet with like marvin bush or something like right they were family friends or something you know yeah there's something there folks i mean it's not zero then what are the what are the odds yeah not good yeah that's that's not uh that's not something that's uh clearly you know it's the the statistical probability that that is uh organic is uh is probably near zero but uh yeah you got to go into that kind of stuff and so you something happened uh with the extension of the hostages or there was direct dealings with Iran and you know again it kind of just flies in the face of the all this stupid surface level crap that you you get with uh Iran's just been the you know an enemy of the US and maybe so I mean we made this monstrosity and uh gives birth to at least half of what you would consider like radical Islam or whatever that is to anybody but this is a thinking person whatever that means to you that's the the the Genesis story but we have uh not only that but you let's talk about uh the Iran Contra because that's also another like weird part of of all this relationship and everything that goes on with Iran like you got Ali North you've got uh the the uh the Contras in Nicaragua uh you've got hostages in Lebanon and uh we do a workaround through the uh national security state and through the uh through the cabinet through the executive branch in the Reagan administration to supply uh arms to Iran you know so like this this is something we were also supplying arms to Iraq but you know during the Iran Iraq war um but we're we're trading influence from Iran to help us get hostages out of Lebanon for weapons and then there's a direct correlation the sale of those weapons would fund the Contras.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: Do I have that right?
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yes okay that's how I remember it and then that's I remember when I was a kid I'd always you know all that was a big thing you know I was seven eight years old and I remember being at my grandparents' house and there's just like you know copies of Time magazine and Ollie North's on there I remember that his phrase I do not recall I do not recall you know dressed in his his class A's um but I we had direct ties supporting them in some in an indirect way um but this is another one of those episodes where if you have a memory you're also really skeptical of what um you know some hairdo commentator is is feeding you today.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well related that's why I love that movie uh American made with Tom Cruise yeah have you seen that yeah it's great great movie it's all about running back and forth and dropping stuff off well yeah that's the that's the other part of that you know like so the the history like while Bill Donovan and those guys that started the CIA like from out of the OSS and a lot of their like black projects this is before we went off the gold standard so it was it was harder to get funds like now they don't even care like there was a there was a lag time between like Nixon taking us off the gold standard in 1971 um obviously because the CIA ran and this is uh the very well documented going back to um the 1980s that like the the cocaine and crack cocaine and uh and stuff in the uh inner cities Gary Webb was who I'm thinking of you know that that uh killed himself by shooting himself twice in the head you know the the great journalist Gary Webb quick finger Gary Webb but to go the origin story that they originally were like well we can we can raise money ourselves and we'll just sell heroin and uh other opiates to the black communities and the jazz communities across America so that's how they originally funded some of their like they again they have a life of their own there's a reason why uh JFK said he was gonna uh smash the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the wind yep you know and there's a reason why he was murdered uh for that and and among other things um but the they had a life of their own and they did their own the their own bidding you know their own agenda was clearly laid out there and and Operation Ajax was one of their first you know operations they have not been successful well like if you really look at the score I know they pitched it as a success an early success which enabled other coup attempts like in Guatemala and Egypt and Indonesia but this was the front runner but no they haven't been successful um there was another book I've never read it um I forgot who mentioned it to me and I looked a a little at it called the the boys on the track do you know what that refers to Tony yes in Arkansas yes Mina Mina Arkansas that's and that has to do with uh American made you mentioned that yes exactly and and Clinton was governor at the time this occurred and uh just a couple of young boys were stumbling across the tracks when they they dumped some of the drugs and I I guess they weren't supposed to be there and they ended up getting murdered so I I think the the book just kind of catalogues that story and goes into it a little bit more depth but and Donald Jeffries covers that I believe uh in hidden history does a pretty good job I mean obviously Don always does a magnificent job of of detailing that with some source notes but yeah we're like you know right now I mean 2026 this has been bizarre like you look at uh like our operation in Venezuela and just like hitting those supposed drug boats and other things out of Venezuela like and the people are swimming away and we're just like massacring it is you know what's really weird about Venezuela too I know you know this but in I think it's 2019 they asked the Bank of England to return Venezuela's gold something like 31 tons of it right and uh England said no because um they they said the elected president wasn't the legitimate president but I just think it's funny they're asking for their gold back and then not long after counterparty risk folks makes your counterparty risk uh that's something you make try your best to uh trust who holds your gold uh to the best of your ability and if you can hold it yourself it's even better you're better off just having a lumpy mattress putting it in a bank uh it really is insane and I I when we pulled off Venezuela I just knew when that happened and uh we reversed uh reverse iced uh Maduro and I go we're gonna hit Iran yeah and it's it's funny Mr.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: Anderson when I go back and I I'll never forget it was December 4th 2024 I was standing in the lobby of the studio for tinfoil hat and I was uh just thinking about what I was gonna talk about going on air and Bitcoin hit a hundred thousand it's like strange times it's like the like a lot of firsts were happening right before uh the the inauguration for the second Trump administration so we got into it about about 15 or 20 minutes in and they asked me what I thought the um second Trump administration was going to be about and I told the story of Croesus uh who was the king of Lydia and Lydia was the first kingdom uh in the ancient world to develop gold coins they called it electrum it was like a mixture of gold and silver and it had an image on it so it was like a tradable coin and Persia which is Iran had massive amounts of gold but they didn't use it like in the markets or the bazaar it was truly religious for them like uh the accumulation of gold was was to honor the gods and and their terraform their planet it was all for the Anunnaki and uh Zachariah Sitchin writes about that.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I was telling the story um so Croesus the first king who's he's really infatuated by gold and power and empire and uh Persia's got all this gold but they're not using it monetarily so Croesus puts out a decree to all the the psychics and seers and mediums and clairvoyance and uh oracles around the the the the land he sends out an edict and he's like if you can tell me what I'm doing tonight I will uh I'll make you my my court oracle you know like I'll shower you with gold and the only one to get it right was the Oracle of Delphi and she wrote him like they wrote back and said um you're cooking a a stew a rabbit and a turtle or something like that.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so Croesus showers the oracle with gold and he's he's he's uh he's elated because he's got he's got his psychic he's got his medium and he asked the oracle you know um what happens if I attack Persia and the oracle tells him if you attack Persia a great empire will fall so Croesus attacks Persia and a great empire did fall his yeah it's funny it has like Twilight Zone consequences because it never told you which empire and you never bothered to ask because you're so arrogant and uh he you know he was he died in in you know in the aftermath in the ruins of that so it it's something that was the first that was my take on what was going to be the Trump 2.0 project yep and I hope I'm wrong by the way I don't well we we we kind of hit on it the previous episode a couple weeks ago right I mean the unnecessary war and Pat Buchanan's book and how Britain destroyed themselves basically and it's it's like we're following the same script we're we're getting involved for for no reason and the the thing that always stupefies me when we get involved in these wars is we just leave but then I remember that's like one of the protocols you can't you can't take the land after the war isn't that one of the protocols the there there's an underlying it's part of the whatever operation this is like um it's almost like a humiliation ritual you know like the the the that whole area and you gotta think of like there's this isn't World War II.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know Japan was a first world nation Germany was a first world nation they had manufacturing they had and there's sophistication there's all this stuff and you're you're talking about going in and democratizing like that's such a like such a Trotskyite like Luciferian idea that you know believing wholly in the uh in the ability of man yeah you know and and departing from like God's will or or divinity or just being good to your neighbor you know like we're we're we're on some sort of track here that I think is is really dark and I mentioned to you off air and I I think it belongs in this episode but for any thinking person you realize like Netanyahu comes to to DC to meet with Trump not too long ago was it was back in February early February and I think it was February 2nd so like the 33rd day of the year and they give Trump a golden pager as a as a gift and you if you realize like they used that operation like they infiltrated the the the pagers of all these Hezbollah operatives all over uh the region not like what is it he a year and a half before or something like that and killed all these all these operatives for Iran and Hezbollah with these pagers.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: And I was watching a clip from Tucker Carlson and he kind of he got really somber and the guest he had was like did you know was that a was that a threat and uh Carlson said uh yes I believe it was and I think it was taken that way that he was given this golden pager.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah how else can you read into that?
• 57:27
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it's an outdated technology.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean I remember they were making fun of it don't ask why I saw this episode but it was an episode of Sex in the city and the and the actor who plays the mayhem character in all the insurance commercials he's so funny at that character and he's always the same character.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think his name is Dean Winters he's like the the deadbeat bum boyfriend who's just sitting in the apartment all day and like one of the main characters asks him what he's working on and he talks about starting a new pager business.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_00: They're like isn't that kind of outdated technology and he's like well you know technology is like fashion it's cyclical but the point is why would you give someone a golden pager right?
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's not relevant gold is because Trump likes gold and the pagers obviously a reference to what you just described.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that's something that never added up to me about how they had no idea that people were going to be paragliding in and doing what occurred that day but they're able to to blow up their pagers.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_00: Oh right yeah I I don't how how would you not know if you you were able to do this other thing it just doesn't add up to me.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well we there's so many unknowns here and and you know I remember going back to the late 90s having conversations with my dad about this about hitting Iran and he's like if we do that they're gonna close off the Strait of Hormuz and the oil will flow like stop flowing because my dad was in the petroleum business and the gasoline business since 79.
• 58:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah so knew a lot about I mean had a massive operation it's like you know oil will go to$200 a barrel.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well it's doing that yeah I mean it's doing it and it you have to know that's going to happen.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: So it's almost like there was no preparation for this other than like we stalled with the negotiations which you know it's another key point in diplomacy.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_00: It if it it is shown and I think it will be that we just use these negotiations as a ruse to try to buy some time to get our aircraft carriers and other hardware into the region so we could launch the attack I mean it it just the the decision was already made it had to have been I I think it was a ruse and it just doesn't add up and since we're speaking of Tucker I mean he had another guest on recently named Brett Weinstein and they just brought up the topic of conversation you know it's not even a a year since Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: Can you imagine what his opinion would have been had this happened um and I don't know you know Charlie I mean if you I didn't realize Charlie was going through that evolution because I didn't either wrote him off earlier you know because I'd been on the same stations as Charlie on my radio show back when I did a five day a week deal and I didn't dislike him or something.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_01: I just thought he was kind of captured by that whatever the fulcrum of you know if you're on the right then you support Israel and you know right or wrong no matter what like that is your your raise on debt like that's your whole purpose.
• 1:00:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I I never liked that I wanted to get away from it.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think it cancels out conservatism in so many ways.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: But I I didn't realize he was making that transition and had turned down that money and like everything that that's come out since so his evolution would have naturally been on a long enough timeline.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: He'd sound more like us you know as each year goes by.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_00: I I was unaware of it either because I just saw him going to college campuses and I was like this is another Ben Shapiro shtick I'm not interested in it.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: And um I wasn't following the evolution either and I didn't know for instance there's pressure being exerted on him by APAC um to not have Tucker talk at Turning Point USL USA and Netanyahu wanted him to come to Israel shortly before before he was killed right he refused to go.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's all very odd but this seems like an unforced error on our side regardless of what Israel wants to do what why are we involved?
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: And the only thing that comes to my mind when I think about it and it doesn't make sense is just biblical context and the devil knows his time is short.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: So things begin accelerating rapidly they had to there's something about this they had to accelerate it and I think so much has changed like if you pay attention and I'm a I'm a student of this I'm a student of trends I'm a student of the algorithm and um popular thought and other things and and I'm not an expert but I do dabble in it.
• 1:02:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I think so much has changed over the past 10 years but really over the last five about this whole narrative and it is collapsing.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like they in in five years you will have uh it will have dropped at least 50% in its power and reach and I'm talking about like the the perceived notion of uh Israel as a you know in the right wing and and the conservatism like linked together I think that's completely falling apart.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean if you look at people like Shapiro who I've just loathed for years I'm like this guy he's a chicken hawk you know he he never saw a war he didn't love and especially if it's in the Middle East I have no idea what he's talking about you know it's just uh and it's eyebrows they keep growing like they just keep keep growing and growing every time we have a new war it's they're gonna consume his forehead um before too long but I I I just looked at him and I thought this guy's a weasel of course he replaced like Michael Savage you know on the radio and they just have terrible commentary that it's it just seems so scripted to me and then we fast forward to now and they have lost so much of their audience share it's going to places like Nick Fuentes yeah you know um and others it's not it's not holding up well so I think they're I think that they had a hurry up offense here.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_01: I do too let's get this done and you know the danger here is the acceptability of a false flag or even a a legitimate organic thing like I saw this little boy the other day that um somebody was recording an Iranian little boy like his dad was a a a postmaster and they hit one of the buildings and killed his father and he was like he's like a 10 year old boy and he's like I will avenge my father you know I will avenge this and um that's what's that's what happens for the love of all things holy folks like if you if you do this these are human beings with human reactions these are children of God they're going to uh carry vengeance in their heart we're built that way yeah you know like we'll it can override everything like you're not making friends here like it's just amazing to me we're gonna have more problems than we actually do.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_00: How does it benefit us American anyway?
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_01: Zero.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_00: And as things continue to escalate I just keep telling people just pay attention to the temple mount see if anything happens really interested in that um nothing has up to this point that I'm aware of but that's where the Dome of the Rock is and we know they're already doing practice ceremonies they were last summer for a construction of the third temple and sacrificing a red perfect red heifer.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh right what if something had happened what if something happened at that area to the Dome of the Rock it would give them perfect justification to build the third temple.
• 1:05:11
  SPEAKER_00: So that's what I keep keep looking at and again nothing's happened yet but I see everything through through spiritual lenses you know based on my my faith as a Christian.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well I think that if human beings are are doing their best in this realm to try to carry out their interpretation of the book of revelation that is uh psychopathy it's it's evil it's demonic like you are working on behalf of the antichrist of some level like yeah is that how we're gonna get there is that people that think that whether you know the evangelical Christians think that and it's so weird the relationship that they have with Israel because Israel Is like we're they're waiting for their Mashiach, you know, they're trying to get the Messiah, they don't believe in Jesus, you know.
• 1:06:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, uh the Christians are like, Yeah, but if if they just get that third temple back and we can start Armageddon, then we can bring back Jesus.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, Yeah, is that your will?
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_01: Are you are you really trying to intervene?
• 1:06:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's what evangelicals think, they can force God's hand, and they also think so many of them, because they've been just led to believe in dispensationalism and the theology that follows it, which is basically they're not gonna be around for any of the bad stuff.
• 1:06:34
  SPEAKER_00: I got news for you.
• 1:06:36
  SPEAKER_00: I got news for you, buddy.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I read all the Left Behind series.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_00: I used to be obsessed with doomsday, you know, prophecy when I was younger, and I don't think it's gonna work like that at all.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_01: No, that that's clearly like uh the rapture in John Darby at the end of the 19th century.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_01: That that and the the culmination of that in the Schofield Bible is like QAnon.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're all connected, and even Alistair Crowley as a young boy attended Darby's church.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, how many more red flags do you need associated with that theory?
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_00: And the biggest to me is you just talk to somebody who holds that belief and go, Well, what if that's not true?
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_00: And they can't compute that.
• 1:07:18
  SPEAKER_00: They go, Well, absolutely, that that's going to be true, it's known.
• 1:07:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, ah, this is how they have a great falling away.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_00: This is how it happens because people are indoctrinated to believe something has to happen absolutely, then that thing doesn't happen.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_00: And they start questioning all their beliefs.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's a perfect psyop, you just can't shake people out of it, and it's massive.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then think about this too like uh everything that they are pushing for is devoid of the love of Christ and his message.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_01: It it it it they're they're obliterating the New Testament, except for the book of Revelation, which they feel like they can they can make happen.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, that is not like the message.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's so it's so bizarre, but I guess that's where we're living.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_01: We're living in the some of the strangest, you know, times ever.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I this may be we I think we I think we should win some sort of prize here.
• 1:08:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you brought up a good point.
• 1:08:17
  SPEAKER_00: I was having a conversation with somebody who's I don't know if they're agnostic or an atheist, but they have a friend who's who's Muslim and they're asking me about well, they they actually regard Jesus as a prophet.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_00: Do Jewish people regard Jesus as that way?
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, no, a lot of Jewish people think he's burning in hell in his own excrement.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_00: And so the idea is like, well, so they admire Jesus more than these other people?
• 1:08:43
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, yeah.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, well, how are they more of the ally than great question?
• 1:08:49
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_01: These are the big questions, and I think you got to start asking that when you when people go to war in your name, and the people are gonna die.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then you know, some of the most disgusting parts of this, too.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like the opening day of the war, and they hit, and this was confirmed on antiwar.com.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Dave DeCamp put this article out a couple days ago.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_01: Like that we hit the target that had 177 or so uh girl girls' school and teachers, like little girls, you know, young young ladies that were just blown up at the beginning of the war, just evaporated, you know.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um and you gotta think about like that was and be it's it's either on purpose or just as bad, like they didn't do their due diligence on the target and just started hitting stuff.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like just because it used to be like an outpost for whatever back in the late 90s for you know the uh uh Iranian, like the Kud's forces or whatever.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's like you you are making that decision and changing history and hurting people and killing people.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then what is the what is the reason?
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then there is no reason other than the golden pagers and the influence of this uh foreign government, and then of course you get the support of it from the Fox News types.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I think one of the most disturbing aspects of this uh is the behavior of like Pete Pete Heggsat, which I find just absolutely disturbing.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh some of his comments and other things like what and if you really look step back and look at America and what we actually need and who the enemies are, and what wars should we should be fighting, and like there are wars to fight, like you know, child trafficking, corruption, um, yeah.
• 1:10:44
  SPEAKER_01: None of the ones we are, none of the ones we are, right?
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like foreign enemies don't really they really can't overthrow us or do anything unless we allow it.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it's our own internal mechanisms, and then we're just fighting these wars.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_01: And um, it's it really is sad.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, and you have to see like this has to be the consequences of this is we talked about it on America Unplugged, is like the death of MAGA, whatever you know, MAGA is.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_01: Trump says, Yeah, I I I think he said I am MAGA or whatever.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right reminded me of King Louis XIV who said the law is in my mouth.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like when they ask him, like, I am he said, I am the state, and the law is in my mouth.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it reminded me of that.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, we're we're in we crossed and we crossed some boundary.
• 1:11:31
  SPEAKER_01: I I need to I watch the Twilight Zone now, like the old you know, 50s and 60s episodes, like I always have, but they become more comforting as I get older.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_01: If only if you delve into the twilight zone, just to get to get into the twilight zone, just to get to to find peace, you know.
• 1:11:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's uh it's just insane.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like I flip on the the feed every day and I just start going, oh, here we go again.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_00: There's still like a harmony to episodes in the Twilight Zone because there's a lesson to be learned.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's like what you know, and I don't you know the the genesis of the Twilight Zone.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think we probably discussed this in person, but like the Yeah, I know he was a he was a paratrooper, right?
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, World War II.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sterling uh was a paratrooper in World War II in the Pacific.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like he wasn't he didn't even get the good stuff in Europe, you know.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of times if you're liberating places in Europe, they got wine and bread and other things, you know.
• 1:12:23
  SPEAKER_01: But in in the Pacific, it's just like, oh man, it's is ugly times ugly.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_01: You know, guys were guys in the Pacific were, you know, they were devoid of any uh any sort of R ⁇ R and they were drinking like aftershave and going blind and stuff.
• 1:12:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like it was just and in and the the Japanese like dug in, it was just really horrible.
• 1:12:44
  SPEAKER_01: And and uh Serling, I and I'm I'm reading a biography of him right now called Television's Last Angry Man.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of the things I just uh I go back to every so often.
• 1:12:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'll start reading a little bit more.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_01: But uh he he had a morality about him, and I'll never forget like in my early 30s, as I was, you know, just really starting to come to terms with stuff that I'd done in my 20s in combat and other things and just going through things in life.
• 1:13:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I started watching episodes of the Twilight, so I'm like, why is this comforting?
• 1:13:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then I realized I did some just some some background research on it, and because it's Serling, you know, Serling was, you know, this is the mind of someone who'd gone through a lot and was giving you these morality tales through the lens of a combat veteran who did not want war.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_01: And I feel like that, you know, because I'm watching this, I'm like, you know, that I'm not a pacifist, by the way.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like we talk about anti-war stuff, I just think most of the wars we fight are stupid and they cause bigger wars.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and they make us weaker and they they hurt the the average American.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I just wanted to backtrack a little bit.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_00: I wasn't trying to suggest earlier that anything falling short than the divinity of Jesus is sufficient, it's wholly inadequate.
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_00: My point is we we demonize certain groups of people because we're told to, and don't demonize others because we're told not to.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I I remember it was probably like six or seven years ago I was watching Rick Steves.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know who that is, Tony?
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I loved watching Rick Steves because it was it almost lull you to sleep as he was traveling around.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_00: But he went to Iran in one episode and he was being driven around in a cab, and the cab driver shouted death to something.
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_00: And Rick Steve started laughing.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, Don't you say that about America?
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, Oh, we say that about anything that's irritating us.
• 1:14:36
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, You see traffic right now?
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, Death to traffic.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_00: And and Rick Steves was making a larger point by sharing all of this, saying it sounds really bad, and maybe a lot a lot of people mean it the way that you interpret it to mean.
• 1:14:53
  SPEAKER_00: But maybe don't read into everything you hear or everything you read quite quite as much as you want to.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe don't lean into it so much.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_00: And it was just a comical way of kind of describing that, and that that always stuck with me because I was like, that's that's funny.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Death to traffic.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_00: I feel that way.
• 1:15:10
  SPEAKER_00: Death to traffic.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Mr.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Anderson, I I appreciate it.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Does that make sense, Tony?
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: It does.
• 1:15:17
  SPEAKER_01: I death to traffic every day, man.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um hands down, hands down.
• 1:15:22
  SPEAKER_01: It is the great Satan.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um I wanted to thank you for being here.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_01: I I try to keep these episodes somewhat under uh 90 minutes, but I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_01: You always do an amazing job, a copious amount of notes, and uh I like to I like to leave the audience with enough information where they can go and start looking things up for themselves.
• 1:15:44
  SPEAKER_01: We don't cover every single thing, but there's enough here um to rethink the uh Fox News position on Iran.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it doesn't mean uh you know our positions are correct either.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, Bill Cooper was somebody who always advocated do your own research and please do your own research.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, iron sharpens iron, we learn from each other.
• 1:16:05
  SPEAKER_00: There was just one other thing I wanted to leave uh this show with, and it was actually a quote from Pat Buchanan about the Iraq war, and I wanted to see, you know, if it's relevant to today.
• 1:16:17
  SPEAKER_00: So this is the last thing I'll say.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_00: But he said the war in Iraq wasn't a necessary war, it was a war of choice.
• 1:16:25
  SPEAKER_00: We attacked a nation that had not attacked us, did not threaten us, did not want war with us in order to deprive it of weapons it did not have.
• 1:16:34
  unknown: Yes.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds similar.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's beautiful, it's beautifully uh articulated and sad, and I remember reading those words many, many, many years ago.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_01: As a matter of fact, I would um suggest the audience go back to September 12th or so, 2001, and the great Pat Buchanan wrote an an op-ed uh called America Pays High Price for Empire.
• 1:17:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I thought that was uh really courageous in the aftermath of what happened on 9-11.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_01: And his take was uh it was very conventional in the sense of of blowback uh for what you know, he's like they don't hate us for who we are, they hate us for what we do.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_01: And if he and that's even if you're putting it in into the traditional sense of, you know, this was 19 Muslim hijackers, which I no longer really subscribe to that exactly.
• 1:17:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's m much more evil and layered and other things.
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um but we that's for another episode.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_01: But I thought Pat really laid out something that was somber at the time, and I've never forgotten that article, and uh his writings have always impacted me, and uh, I'm very thankful I I read those as a as a young man.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_01: So no, he's exactly right, and we're doing this again.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_01: So the another thing that Pat said that always stuck with me is that the only lesson we learn from history is that we do not learn from history.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:18:06
  SPEAKER_01: So uh well, I so if you're nothing else, I'm gonna close it out.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_01: I want to tell the audience too.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um follow us anywhere podcasts are found on Paratrouther.
• 1:18:17
  SPEAKER_01: If you leave us a review, uh if it's five stars, even if it's negative, I'll read it.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so far, the only review I got was from a month ago, and it said, bring back Paratrouther on the on the art.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's like your shows, the Art of Burn radio transmission has become an infomercial for your business.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's not okay, thanks.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_01: But uh uh I'll I'll read it.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_01: I just read it, and so it's if it's five stars, I'll read it.
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we're doing these uh, you know, these are mostly going to be audio only.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_01: They're deep dives, they're meant for you to just sit down and get a cup of coffee, get a beer, whatever you want, sit around and uh and just have a conversation with me and Mr.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_01: Anderson.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I appreciate everybody who who downloads the show.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_01: It means a lot to us, and we'll keep bringing you some some uh oh hopefully great content.
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_01: I've uh Mr.
• 1:19:08
  SPEAKER_01: Anderson always brings all this uh his brain and a copious amount of notes, and I'll bring a little bit of chaos.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it's a good mix.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Anything else, Mr.
• 1:19:17
  SPEAKER_01: Anderson?
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, thank you, brother.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: It was fun to review all this.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_01: I it really was.
• 1:19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, as fun as it can get in 2026.
• 1:19:27
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, the official podcast of the apocalypse, uh, along with uh the official broadcast of the apocalypse, which is gotta change the logo.
• 1:19:36
  SPEAKER_01: We need to change it.
• 1:19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we just uh I'm gonna get back in the plane.
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_01: We start.
• 1:19:43
  SPEAKER_01: We've decided to scratch the jump.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_01: We're not jumping out into this anymore.
• 1:19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Paratrouther is going back into the plane, not going to jump.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_01: But uh appreciate everybody.
• 1:19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for being here.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, new episode here in the next couple of weeks.
• 1:19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, tell your friends about us.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_01: Appreciate you guys.
• 1:19:59
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• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_01: You can uh message us there.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_01: And uh Wise Wolf, Gold and Silver, Wolf Pack.
• 1:20:07
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to get out of the fiat system, realize that uh oil's gonna go to God forbid, it keeps going up and up, and uh that's gonna put a strain on everything else.
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_01: Lots to talk about there.
• 1:20:20
  SPEAKER_01: So tune in to Arterburn Radio Transmission and uh America Unplugged over on uh Rumble.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_01: I do that show every Saturday with uh the legendary Don Jeffries and Billy Ray Valentine.
• 1:20:33
  SPEAKER_01: But again, just just appreciate everybody.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for being here.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_01: We will see you uh next time in the information war.
• 1:20:40
  SPEAKER_01: Be a paratrooter.